The Stand: Initials R.F.?
Gcrash
Hello,
I just finished reading the Stand: Uncut Version. It was pretty good,
the only King that I've liked more was IT. Anyway, I was wondering if
anyone had figured out the meaning of the initals R.F. Each of the
names used by Flagg has these initials, and I figure that there has to
be some significance.
Thanks,
GCrash
gcha...@gate.net
Brian Schlosser
Gcrash <gcha...@gate.net> wrote in article
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I think that R.F. stands for "Really Friendly", and that flagg is just
misunderstood.
In all seriousness, I have always been stumped by the RF thing. Maybe its
just a way to identify what characters/creatures are really Flagg. or maybe
its just a little thing king worked in to confuse people with. Stevie has a
sick sense of humor some times.
BFS
Big Mac 25
Maybe Tabitha had Three's Company on in the background and Stephen King got
really stuck on Ralph Ferly (sp?).
Or maybe not...
Don
Chris Augustine
On Sat, 23 May 1998 13:28:42 GMT, gcha...@gate.net (Gcrash) wrote:
>Hello,
>I just finished reading the Stand: Uncut Version. It was pretty good,
>the only King that I've liked more was IT. Anyway, I was wondering if
>anyone had figured out the meaning of the initals R.F. Each of the
>names used by Flagg has these initials, and I figure that there has to
>be some significance.
I've never figured it out, either. I was expecting the meaning to be
explained at the end of The Stand, but it never was. It's just too...
cryptic to not have some symbolic meanig or be an acronym for SOMETHING.
Flagg has been frequenting the Dark Tower series (and at one point, he
even signed a note "RF"), so any hope of finding out what the RF thing is,
lies therein.
Chris Augustine
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Sven Anders Robbestad
[23 May 1998 18:55:32 GMT, "Brian Schlosser"
<briansch...@worldnet.att.net>]:
| I think that R.F. stands for "Really Friendly", and that flagg is just
| misunderstood.
Ah, you're onto something. For Good to be truly successful, there must
be Evil. If there will be order, there must be chaos.
Flagg is Really Friendly because: without him, would the Good guys
have been able to make the Stand? I should think not!
Think about it.
- Sven
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For those about to rock, I salute you.
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alice
Sven Anders Robbestad wrote in message
>Flagg is Really Friendly because: without him, would the Good guys
>have been able to make the Stand? I should think not!
>
>Think about it.
Trying to tell us to think about it twice as hard??? <BEG>
Alice
"You think womanhood should be all sighs and compassion?
That's not womanhood. It's trained servitude." --Galilee
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Sven Anders Robbestad
[Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:55:21 GMT, "alice" <rosen...@mypass.net>]:
| Sven Anders Robbestad wrote in message
| >Flagg is Really Friendly because: without him, would the Good guys
| >have been able to make the Stand? I should think not!
| >
| >Think about it.
|
|
| Trying to tell us to think about it twice as hard??? <BEG>
Hehehehe. Sorry about the double posting. My server went kablooey or
something last night. Told me the messages weren't sent. Of course...
- Sven
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stevie canuck
"R" is the 18th letter of the alphabet. "F" is the 6th. 18 divided by 6
equals 3. Three is a mystical number, a prime number, and the number of
The Trinity.
Stevie C
to e-mail me change .com to .ca
--
... maybe it's wasting time, the way I'm spending mine
I guess I should get something going.
While everyone's asleep, I claim that time for me
and it's too dark to be mowing that lawn.
Trout Fishing in America
tin...@pathway.net
Steve I don't know how to put this with out being rude, but you've got
way too much time on your hands buddy.
What do you despise? By this are you truly known
-From Manual of Muad'Dib
By the Princess Irulan
Shelli
stevie canuck <ste...@rogerswave.com> wrote in article
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> "R" is the 18th letter of the alphabet. "F" is the 6th. 18 divided by 6
> equals 3. Three is a mystical number, a prime number, and the number of
> The Trinity.
>
> Stevie C
This sounds a lot like numerology, can anyone find any other examples in
any of SK's other books? Just wondering.
Shelli
Jon R.
stevie canuck wrote:
>
> "R" is the 18th letter of the alphabet. "F" is the 6th. 18 divided by 6
> equals 3. Three is a mystical number, a prime number, and the number of
> The Trinity.
Close, but no evil-smelling penis symbol. what you do is take the 6
and multiply it with the first number subtracted from the second number
(8-1). 6 times 7 is 42.
42 is the answer to this question, as it is to most.
Jon R.
stevie canuck
>
> >"R" is the 18th letter of the alphabet. "F" is the 6th. 18 divided by 6
> >equals 3. Three is a mystical number, a prime number, and the number of
> >The Trinity.
> >
> >
> >to e-mail me change .com to .ca
> >--
> > ... maybe it's wasting time, the way I'm spending mine
> >I guess I should get something going.
> >While everyone's asleep, I claim that time for me
> >and it's too dark to be mowing that lawn.
> > Trout Fishing in America
>
> Steve I don't know how to put this with out being rude, but you've got
> way too much time on your hands buddy.
LOL! Now how do I put this without sounding conceited? It actually just
popped into my head to count the letters ... look for some numerological
signifiance ... I was actually amused and surprised to find that it
worked out so neatly ... almost like I was _meant_ to discover the
hidden meaning. Hmmmmmmmm.
tin...@pathway.net
On Tue, 02 Jun 1998 20:43:55 -0700, stevie canuck
<ste...@rogerswave.com> wrote:
>tin...@pathway.net wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 01 Jun 1998 20:25:07 -0700, stevie canuck
>> <ste...@rogerswave.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"R" is the 18th letter of the alphabet. "F" is the 6th. 18 divided by 6
>> >equals 3. Three is a mystical number, a prime number, and the number of
>> >The Trinity.
>>
>> Steve I don't know how to put this with out being rude, but you've got
>> way too much time on your hands buddy.
>
>
>LOL! Now how do I put this without sounding conceited? It actually just
>popped into my head to count the letters ... look for some numerological
>signifiance ... I was actually amused and surprised to find that it
>worked out so neatly ... almost like I was _meant_ to discover the
>hidden meaning. Hmmmmmmmm.
>
> Stevie C
>
>to e-mail me change .com to .ca
>
This really put a hook in me, and now you've got me thinking about it
too.
Are there three story lines where Flagg apears.
1. THE STAND
2. THE DARK TOWER
3. THE EYES OF THE DRAGON
Notice that the word THE appears at the beginning of each title. THE
has 3 letters in it. There are 3 people Rolland called to make up
ka-tet. Wow this is getting spooky huh. Call Mulder There are 12
letters in the title THE DARK TOWER. 12 divided by the number of
Tower books published so far ???? THREE!!!!!
THE EYES OF THE DRAGON has 18 letters in it. 18 divided by 6 = 3.
But how can 6 have any significance to this. Well there are some
things we as humans just are not ready to grasp. <G>
When any government, or any church for that
matter, undertakes to say to its subjects,
'This you may not read, this you must not see, this
you are forbidden to know,' the end result is tyranny
and oppression, no matter how holy the motives.
Jon Skeet
<tin...@pathway.net> wrote:
> THE EYES OF THE DRAGON has 18 letters in it. 18 divided by 6 = 3.
> But how can 6 have any significance to this. Well there are some
> things we as humans just are not ready to grasp. <G>
Ah, but that's an easy one: 18 is 3 6s - rearrange this to 666, and
you're there :)
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Jon R.
Shelli wrote:
(snip)
> any of SK's other books? Just wondering.
It's easiest and least cheesy if we do the Dark Tower series. There
are planned seven books, right? There are twelve guardians, right?
There are three gunslingers, right? (Both now and in the old ka-tet
of Roland's.)
Jon R.
Blake Richardson
Maybe the RF means "royally *ucked" because that's usually what you are
when you meet up with this guy.
Carrie
Blake Richardson wrote:
>
> Maybe the RF means "royally *ucked" because that's usually what you are
> when you meet up with this guy.
Oh, thank you! After posting about my childhood nightmare I sure need a
giggle.
Carrie
Rienk Doetjes (jr)
R.F stands for Richard Finnin (remember him) a character of the Dark
Tower III. He is the same man as John Flagg and he wants to stop Roland
before 'our noble hero' reaches the Dark Tower. Why? I don't know.
Rienk
Chris Augustine
>R.F stands for Richard Finnin
And Randall Flagg and Russell Faraday and Richard Frye and all the other
names he's known by.
>(remember him) a character of the Dark
>Tower III.
And The Stand, and The Eye of the Dragon, and Wizard and Glass and
(probably) DTV.
>He is the same man as John Flagg
No, he's not. Flagg is not a man, for one thing. And I don't know who
John Flagg is, but Stephen King has never created a character named John
Flagg.
Chris Augustine
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Suspect No
>R" is the 18th letter of the alphabet. "F" is the 6th. 18 divided by 6<BR>
>equals 3. Three is a mystical number, a prime number, and the number of<BR>
>The Trinity. <BR
interesting point...to me Flagg is by far the most intriguing character King
has created to date....largely to his reacurring presence in several
stories....It almost looks as if every story is weaved together in some
fantastical world that is solely Kings own
Suspect No
>Ah, but that's an easy one: 18 is 3 6s - rearrange this to 666, and<BR>
>you're there :)<BR>
ummmmmm...........wow....these are things a simpleton like myself never would
have fathomed....the possibilities are endless are they not? How ironic it
would be if King chose the initials R.F. simply because it struck him as
catchy? Food for thought anyway......
Jon Skeet
I feel fairly confident (although with no evidence, admittedly) that
that is precisely the reason King chose RF. Or, more likely, he came
up with one of the names first, and thought it would be a nice idea
to keep the initials the same.
I suspect there *is* no deep and meaningful reason.
Of course, King will probably prove me wrong in a foreword one of
these days :)
Joyce Cunningham
>I feel fairly confident (although with no evidence, admittedly) that
>that is precisely the reason King chose RF. Or, more likely, he came
>up with one of the names first, and thought it would be a nice idea
>to keep the initials the same.
>
>I suspect there *is* no deep and meaningful reason.
>
>Of course, King will probably prove me wrong in a foreword one of
>these days :)
>
>--
>Jon Skeet
>Web page: http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
>Stephen King, Dungeon Keeper, Worms, Friends... it's all there.
Flagg wasn't always an "R.F." In EOTD, he was also referred to as Bill
Hinch, The Lord High Executioner. According to Spignesi in "The
Complete Stephen King Encyclopedia" Bill Hinch was the manifestation
of Flagg 250 years before King Roland's reign.
J
alice
Suspect No wrote in message >
>How ironic it
>would be if King chose the initials R.F. simply because it struck him as
>catchy? Food for thought anyway......
With everyone saying R.F. I just had this unwelcome
thought of that old sitcom Three's Company (John Ritter)
well the landlord that took over the building was Don
Knocks. He played Ralph Furley (sp) and they would call
him R.F. alot.
So I just had this image of Don Knocks as Flagg and it
scared me I have to say. Him throwing a gun around,
keeping that one bullet in his pocket, and that awful eye
ball stare he gives . . . <shiver> Now that would give me
nightmares ;-)
Alice <shudder>
Chris Augustine
On 12 Jun 1998 09:46:15 GMT, susp...@aol.com (Suspect No) wrote:
>>Ah, but that's an easy one: 18 is 3 6s - rearrange this to 666, and<BR>
>>you're there :)<BR>
>
>ummmmmm...........wow....these are things a simpleton like myself never would
>have fathomed....the possibilities are endless are they not? How ironic it
>would be if King chose the initials R.F. simply because it struck him as
>catchy? Food for thought anyway......
More than likely, this is the actual scenario. King isn't very much into
symbolism or hidden or complex meanings. But maybe not. The Dark Tower
has been a depature from his other work in so many ways, why not this one?
Robert Whelan
Jon Skeet (jl...@thor.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
: Suspect No <susp...@aol.com> wrote:
: > >Ah, but that's an easy one: 18 is 3 6s - rearrange this to 666, and<BR>
: > >you're there :)<BR>
: >
: > ummmmmm...........wow....these are things a simpleton like myself never would
: > have fathomed....the possibilities are endless are they not? How ironic it
: > would be if King chose the initials R.F. simply because it struck him as
: > catchy? Food for thought anyway......
: I feel fairly confident (although with no evidence, admittedly) that
: that is precisely the reason King chose RF. Or, more likely, he came
: up with one of the names first, and thought it would be a nice idea
: to keep the initials the same.
: I suspect there *is* no deep and meaningful reason.
: Of course, King will probably prove me wrong in a foreword one of
: these days :)
Here is an explanation. "Randall Flagg" is a sound variation of the
original inspiration for him... "Donald DeFreeze". In Danse Macabre,
King mentions how THE STAND began for him...he thought "Donald
DeFreeze is a dark man..." I don't know how King got from that
original name to "Randall Flagg", but maybe Donald/Ronald/Randall.
How DeFreeze became "Flagg" I can't guess, except that they are
both "F" names.
Donald DeFreeze was the leader of the terrorist group that kidnapped
Patty Hearst.
Robert W.
Shelli
alice <rosen...@mypass.net> wrote in article
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>
> With everyone saying R.F. I just had this unwelcome
> thought of that old sitcom Three's Company (John Ritter)
> well the landlord that took over the building was Don
> Knocks. He played Ralph Furley (sp) and they would call
> him R.F. alot.
>
> So I just had this image of Don Knocks as Flagg and it
> scared me I have to say. Him throwing a gun around,
> keeping that one bullet in his pocket, and that awful eye
> ball stare he gives . . . <shiver> Now that would give me
> nightmares ;-)
I thought his names was Don Knotts.
Shelli
Carrie
alice wrote:
>
> Suspect No wrote in message >
> >would be if King chose the initials R.F. simply because it struck him as
> >catchy? Food for thought anyway......
>
> thought of that old sitcom Three's Company (John Ritter)
> well the landlord that took over the building was Don
> Knocks. He played Ralph Furley (sp) and they would call
> him R.F. alot.
>
> So I just had this image of Don Knocks as Flagg and it
> scared me I have to say. Him throwing a gun around,
> keeping that one bullet in his pocket, and that awful eye
> ball stare he gives . . . <shiver> Now that would give me
> nightmares ;-)
>
Seems to me a saw a picture on the net somewhere of a building in Bangor
with a sign on it that had R. Flagg as the business' name. I remember
thinking "So that's where he got the name!) Went back and checked out
my bookmarks but couldn't find the cockadoodie thing! Seems like it was
a site dealing with a vacation in Maine. (SKEMERs?!?) Does anyone have
any idea what I am talking about here?
Carrie
Tony Flaherty
>Kaymeg2 wrote:
>>
>> I see in the phone book that there are *Flagg R M Hotel & Restrnt Equip*
>> and also *Flagg R M Refridgeration & Air*, both owned by the same
>> person, at least same address anyways...could be a conection, not sure.
>> Also, there is an R. Flagg in the phonebook, for Residents.
>>
>> Kay
I just had a horrible thought. I am the first Flaherty in the phone book due to
the initials A.E. If there is a Flagg in the book, then he will probably be
immediately before me. I'm just off to check. If I die in mysterious
circumstances, its up to you guys to avenge me........................
.................
.......
....
.........
Its ok guys, no Flaggs in Birmingham :o)
Tony
.
Too old to die young,
too big to cry,
too old to die young,
to say goodbye.
.
Don't Wake The Lion
.
Magnum
mikewa...@gmail.com
> Hello,
> I just finished reading the Stand: Uncut Version. It was pretty good,
> the only King that I've liked more was IT. Anyway, I was wondering if
> anyone had figured out the meaning of the initals R.F. Each of the
> names used by Flagg has these initials, and I figure that there has to
> be some significance.
> Thanks,
> GCrash
> gcha...@gate.net
yy
The initials Rf stands for red fulley or really full
kaynemb...@gmail.com
RF is an initial for evil in numerous Stephen King novels. I think how he came across these initials is deceptively simple, King thought of the most evil man he could think of a la:
adolF hitleR