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Randall Flagg = Richard Freemantle ?

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Noli Me Tangere

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Mar 19, 1995, 11:48:55 PM3/19/95
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I swear it's there, at least in the uncut version of the Stand,
in one place where RF is listing his names. As we all know,
Richard is Mother Abagail Freemantle's brother. So, did King
just have a big list with characters and write that one in without
thinking, or is this a plotline that was dropped later?
I find it very interesting. By the way, I checked and it doesn't
say anything about Richard being the forces of evil or anything
like that. He's around when Abagail gets bitten by the weasel as
a child, but behaves normally. ("Richard" may be another R name.
I'm not positive.)
Just a typo, or a meaningful event? Only you can decide.
Thanks.

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Joshua Kamm

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Mar 22, 1995, 6:48:11 AM3/22/95
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In article <95078.234...@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, Noli Me Tangere
<IO2...@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> wrote:

Uhh...give us a page reference.

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Carlos Carvalho

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Mar 23, 1995, 12:18:28 PM3/23/95
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Noli Me Tangere (IO2...@MAINE.MAINE.EDU) wrote:
: I swear it's there, at least in the uncut version of the Stand,

: in one place where RF is listing his names. As we all know,
: Richard is Mother Abagail Freemantle's brother. So, did King
: just have a big list with characters and write that one in without
: thinking, or is this a plotline that was dropped later?
: I find it very interesting. By the way, I checked and it doesn't
: say anything about Richard being the forces of evil or anything
: like that. He's around when Abagail gets bitten by the weasel as
: a child, but behaves normally. ("Richard" may be another R name.
: I'm not positive.)

I just finished reading The Stand, so I think I kinda qualify to answering
that question. :) Thig is, when the Free Zone Commitee was holding its
sessions, they came up with this 'Dark Man' subject (that was while Mother
Abagail was out of town already), and they asked for people to come up
the parlor and speak up their bad dreams, and so some would come with
R.F.'ed names for Flagg, one of those happened to be Richard Freemantle,
as there were many more. For all I've read, the dreams didn't seem to be
very accurate, but all in all they said the same thing, the guy's initials
were R.F. . As in the last page of the book he names himself Russell
Faraday as well...

Just my two cents.

Apologies to my English when necessary. :)

-- Carlos

Jillraci

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Mar 23, 1995, 2:21:21 PM3/23/95
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Joshua Kamm (pri...@primenet.com) wrote:
: In article <95078.234...@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, Noli Me Tangere
: <IO2...@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> wrote:

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: joshua kamm pri...@primenet.com


He's also known as Richard Fry, not Richard Freemantle. Page 174, The
Stand (Complete). Paperback.

The names I have for him, from that chapter, are:

Randall Flagg, Richard Fry, Robert Franq, and Ramsey Forrest.


Jillraci

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Mar 23, 1995, 7:25:40 PM3/23/95
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Jillraci (jill...@enterprise.america.com) wrote:

: : --
: : joshua kamm pri...@primenet.com

I now have to amend my own post and eat a little crow.

On page 895 of The Stand (paperback, complete version), during the town
meeting after Mother Abagail's return, Glen Bateman addresses the crowd
when turning the agenda to talk of the Walkin' Dude. In his list,
cobbled, I think from the dreams/impressions of the Free Zone, he gives
the names as Randall Flagg, Richard Frye, Robert Freemont and (yes,
indeed,) Richard Freemantle. I sincerely doubt *that* particular persona
was in fact Abagail's oldest brother. After all Mother Abagail was 108
years old and Richard Freemantle must have been at least five or six
years older.

The name Richard Freemantle assigned by the Free Zone is perhaps
explainable when you recall the debate between the members of Stu's
traveling party over the name of Mother Abagail's hometown. Stu, at that
point, thought it was Hollingford Home; Glen, Hemingway Home. Maybe all
SK was trying to show is that the dreaming human mind is a lousy receptor
of information.

Jill

Turner Arrington

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Mar 24, 1995, 12:09:50 PM3/24/95
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>He's also known as Richard Fry, not Richard Freemantle. Page 174, The
>Stand (Complete). Paperback.
>
>The names I have for him, from that chapter, are:
>
>Randall Flagg, Richard Fry, Robert Franq, and Ramsey Forrest.
>
I know that's there. I also know (I believe it's when Glen, and Stu get
drunk on top of that mountain) that they call him Richard Freemantle, and
Randy Farnsworth, amoung other things. I'll go check... I Can't dind it
now. I'll look later

-"People are strange"--The Doors
T Arrington, resident stranger
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C ELFMAN

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Mar 28, 1995, 8:25:35 PM3/28/95
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I just pulled out my Stephen King Encyclopedia and it does list Richard
Freemantle as one of Flagg's aliases. And Abigail did have a brother by
that name. But just by looking at this, they are two different people.
If it helps any.
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