Storm of the Century (anyone else not like ending?)
Terry Lynne Tielle D.
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Okay, I haven't been in here for a long time, and maybe this subject
has already been talked to death, BUT...
I watched most of "Storm of the Century" when it recently aired on
Sci-Fi. I'm not sure why, but the way it ended really bothered me. I
guess, somehow, I was hoping that something would happen-- divine
intervention, or something-- before Lenoge (sp) flew off with that
little boy.
Now, I've been an SK fan since I was 13 (I'm 34 now), and I know that
his endings aren't always happy-sappy-- in fact, they often are not--
but it seems like ever since I had kids (a boy and a girl), I'm more
sensitive to stories that involve kids and sad endings. Anyone else?
Is it just me?
Ever since I saw "SOTC", I've been having nightmares off and on that
it's my 3-year-old son Jason he's flying off with. It's terrible!
I've never been so deeply affected on a subconscious level by a King
story.
When Mike Anderson said, "That was nine years ago," I actually yelled
at my TV, "Oh, come on! It *can't* end like that!" It leaves you
wondering if the little boy cried for his parents after he was taken
away, or how Lenoge insinuated his evil on the poor kid, and what
happened in the nine years that would make a kid hiss and bear fangs
at a father he used to love when he was little.
I know, I know, it's FICTION. Tell my subconscious, because it hasn't
quite gotten that yet!
BTW, as I watched all the people voting about whether to give Lenoge a
child, I voted with Mike... No!
Meanwhile, I'm listening to "Blood and Smoke", read by SK, and
thoroughly enjoying it. No kids involved in abductions or gory death,
or anything... just good, grown-up horror.
Opinions? Has motherhood made me a mushhead?
Terry
--
The Millennium begins in Two Thousand ONE... think about it. (Hint: no year 0 in the calendar!)
Traci DeMerchant
Horrifying, wasn't it? I don't know how to answer "not like the ending". I
mean, I wasn't thrilled, let me tell you. But I just cannot find any other way
to end the story.
I felt all the things you described while watching it, fortunately sans the
nightmares. I thought it was very effective, I was impressed he didn't cop out
and weaken it at the end. I was deeply upset, but in that "oh that was a great
story" way, the way we are looking for when we read SK in the first place.
I dunno, what would you have done differently?
Traci
--
If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?
Kim
liber...@earthlink.net (Terry Lynne "Tielle" D.) wrote:
> Opinions? Has motherhood made me a mushhead?
Yes, this was discussed when the miniseries was first aired. I think,
as is the case when any work by King is discussed, there were varying
degrees of satisfaction among the posters in regards to SOTC.
But, as far as you being a mush-head. No, I don't think so. I think
that this is a collateral issue when reading King's books, or watching
a King movie. What frightens you, as opposed to what would frighten
someone else?
A while back in a thread which discussed whether or not King had "lost
it" this issue was lightly touched on. What we see as "horror" changes
over time. What frightens us as children may not frighten us as adults.
King, and the subjects he chooses and the things that he presents to
his audience as "frightening" may change as his own life changes. The
death of a child may not be as horror filled to a teenage reader as it
is to a young adult with a young family. Cujo, and the threat of nature
and a rabid dog may not be as horror inspiring to a city person as it
is to someone who lives on a farm. I rhink that is why "The Stand" is
consitently ranked in the top five on "What book is your favorite"
lists. Everyone can be afraid of the implications of a nationwide
disaster, which touches everyone, rich or poor, urban or rural, young
or old.
As King matures and his perspective of "What is horror", "What
frightens me" changes, I think his writing also changes, to suit these
new fears. And, as readers, our perspective on "What frightens me" also
changes. Carrie was frightening to me when I first read it, because I
was in high school at the time, struggling with acceptance, peers and
the fear of someone "running amok". For the same reason (given the high
school situation today, and the way *these* kids "run amok"), I suspect
a teenager would be frightened by the book upon a first reading today.
But - If I was to re-read the book, I don't think it would have the
same effect on me that it had when I was young. Those things don't
frighten me anymore. (Except as it pertains to the children I have in
school.)
SoTC frightened me more today than it would have when I was a teenager.
Teenagers, maybe all childless people, can't relate to the gut
wrenching choice offered in the film, and I don't think it can affect
them the way it does a young mother or father. I also don't think the
movie would have been as effective as a fatherless-King work. Pet
Semetary is another work that effected me greatly at the time, because
we lived on a busy road with a young son. Scared me terribly.
I think that some of this is shown in King's later works. as he
achieves fame, money and acclaim, as his family grows older and his
perspective changes, what does he have to fear?
Enter BoB, and the "writer's block", the death of a beloved wife, and
the ghosts of the past which come back to haunt the living. (Maybe
tha's why the book wasn't that satisfying to me - I don't fear writer's
block the way King must.)
Anyway, I don't think you are a mush-head. I think that you are a young
mother with different fears, and that, over time, those fears will
change, as will King's. Hopefully our life experiences follow King's to
a degree that we "get him" and get his fears at the same time. The
books will be much more enjoyable that way.
> The Millennium begins in Two Thousand ONE... think about it.
> (Hint: no year 0 in the calendar!)
I agree. But don't try to explain this to anyone. I tried to tell this
to the editor of our little hometown newspaper and she said they were
"just following convention". What the hell does that mean? What
convention? How many millenial changes have these people been through???
Kim
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moved is a sure sign of the work's greatness.
> Opinions? Has motherhood made me a mushhead?
>
> Terry
>
> --
DeMerchant
> In article <386010c3...@news.earthlink.net>,
> liber...@earthlink.net (Terry Lynne "Tielle" D.) wrote:
>
> > The Millennium begins in Two Thousand ONE... think about it.
> > (Hint: no year 0 in the calendar!)
Kim wrote:
>
> I agree. But don't try to explain this to anyone. I tried to tell this
> to the editor of our little hometown newspaper and she said they were
> "just following convention". What the hell does that mean? What
> convention? How many millenial changes have these people been through???
>
> Kim
Yeah, but if we start our new millenium a year early it will straighten it out
for the folks down the line at the year 3000 celebration.
Traci
--
"To have a child is to choose forever to walk around with your heart outside
your body"
Unknown
Marcia
Lynne "Tielle" D.) wrote:
>snippage<
>Opinions? Has motherhood made me a mushhead?
>
>Terry
>
>--
>The Millennium begins in Two Thousand ONE... think about it. (Hint: no year 0 in the calendar!)
>
I am with you .. i snipped your spoilers but i too thought the ending
sucked ... it was built up for 3 days and then just fizzled. And no
motherhood didn't make ya mushy for if you are than I am. Zak's 8 now
and I totally sided with Anderson on the NO vote. I would not let my
son be used as a pawn in any scheme, regardless of my death or his
own.
I was in tears when they all had to make their decision and they
wouldn't let Anderson up. I was expecting divine intervention at that
point, but no such luck.
I haven't had nightmares of some man flying off w/Zak but I totally
cringe when I hear I'm a little tea pot.
Marcia
>^,,^<
David Rawsthorne
Terry Lynne "Tielle" D. <liber...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Sci-Fi. I'm not sure why, but the way it ended really bothered me. I
> guess, somehow, I was hoping that something would happen-- divine
> intervention, or something-- before Lenoge (sp) flew off with that
> little boy.
I have not seen the movie, but I do have the book, and I too was shocked,
and a little upset at the ending. Honestly I cant see another way of ending
the book though... I was reminded about Cujo from this ending, and something
that King said after people criticised his "killing" Tad. He said something
about thinking that Tad was going to live right up until he died. It was not
an intentional killing, more something that "just happened".
> Ever since I saw "SOTC", I've been having nightmares off and on that
> it's my 3-year-old son Jason he's flying off with. It's terrible!
> I've never been so deeply affected on a subconscious level by a King
> story.
I think it did the same for almost all parents. I too have a 3 year old boy,
and 6 month old girl, and I dont know how I would feel if this happened - to
"Willingly" give up your child would be one of the hardest things to ever
do, and I doubt that I could ever do it. I have never had a nightmare
because of any horror book or movie, but when I read the end of the book I
was really upset, but understood the reason behind this path...
> The Millennium begins in Two Thousand ONE... think about it. (Hint: no
year 0 in the calendar!)
Shhh - only us SMART ones know that! :-)
--
David Rawsthorne
Stephen King Site: http://www.horrorking.com/
DonFro...@webtv.net
Personally I like to see the good guy win. The only good part to me was
Mike sticking to his guns.
DON
deathboy
the stories in which "the good guys win" are few and far between.
The Unforgiven
the bad guy loses. It's usually his Bachman books which have bad endings,
with the exception of a FEW of his....
The Sky is deep, the sky is dark.
The light of stars is so damn stark.
When I look up, I fill with fear.
If all we have is what lies here,
this lonely world, this troubled place,
then cold dead stars and empty space...
Well, I see no reason to perserve,
no reason to laugh or to shed a tear,
no reason to sleep or ever to wake,
no promises to keep, and none to make.
And so at night I still raise my eyes
to study the clear but mysterious skies
that arch above us, as cold as stone.
Are you there, God? Are we alone?
-The Book of Counted Sorrows
deathboy wrote in message <38621B50...@prodigy.net>...
Shannon T.
>
> Not true, in fact most of his books have happy endings. The good guy wins,
> the bad guy loses. It's usually his Bachman books which have bad endings,
> with the exception of a FEW of his....
> >
Here's my tally -- you're free to disagree (and yes, I have nothing to
do today):
Happy End:
* Bag of Bones
* The Dark Half (unless you count Thad getting divorced, becoming a
drunk, and comitting suicide after the book is over as the real ending)
* The Dead Zone (not for Johnny Smith but for everybody else in the
world)
* Desperation
* Eyes of the Dragon
* Firestarter
* Gerald's Game
* The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon
* Insomnia
* It
* The Langoliers
* The Library Policeman
* Misery
* Needful Things
* The Regulators
* Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption
* Rose Madder
* The Shining
* The Stand
* The Talisman
* The Tommyknockers
Unhappy End:
* Apt Pupil
* Carrie
* Cujo
* The Long Walk
* Pet Sematary
* Rage
* Roadwork
* The Running Man
* Storm of the Century
* Thinner
???:
* The Body
* The Breathing Method
* Christine
* Dolores Claiborne
* The Dark Tower series (hasn't ended yet)
* The Green Mile
* Low Men in Yellow Coats
* The Mist
* 'Salem's Lot
* Secret Window, Secret Garden
* The Sun Dog (depends on how you feel about Pop Merrill)
Forgive me if I've forgotten anything. I left out the short stories, of
course.
Upon reflection, it seems that rather being overwhelmingly happy or
unhappy, King's endings are often ambiguous. Yes, usually they defeat
the bad guy, but at great sacrifice. Many beloved characters die and
those who remain often are so affected by the events they went through
that they cannot really hope to live a normal, happily-ever-after life
afterwards.
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deathboy
always somehting sad about the ending, it's almost never a total victory for
the good guys.
The Unforgiven wrote:
> Not true, in fact most of his books have happy endings. The good guy wins,
> the bad guy loses. It's usually his Bachman books which have bad endings,
> with the exception of a FEW of his....
>
deathboy
SPOILER warning
"Shannon T." wrote:
>
> > >
> Here's my tally -- you're free to disagree (and yes, I have nothing to
> do today):
>
> Happy End:
> * Bag of Bones
Mattie dies, not exactly haappy eh?
>
> * The Dark Half (unless you count Thad getting divorced, becoming a
> drunk, and comitting suicide after the book is over as the real ending)
I think you already explained how this isn't actually happy at all
>
> * The Dead Zone (not for Johnny Smith but for everybody else in the
> world)
again, thats not exactly happy as in "they all lived happily ever after" is it?
>
> * Desperation
the little kid (i forget his name at the moment unfortunately) has to go back and
live his life with his whole family murdered. happy????
>
> * Eyes of the Dragon
ehh, kinda up in the air
>
> * Firestarter
ya know, i can't remember how it ends
>
> * Gerald's Game
> * The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon
ok, sure
>
> * Insomnia
Ralp has to die to save the little girl, not exactly totally happy
>
> * It
> * The Langoliers
> * The Library Policeman
> * Misery
> * Needful Things
LOL the whole town is destroyed and left in shambles!!!! happy???
>
> * The Regulators
> * Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption
> * Rose Madder
> * The Shining
> * The Stand
3 words "I don't know"
>
> * The Talisman
Truly and totally a happy ending
>
> * The Tommyknockers
Gard, the main character, dies
Jeff 1013
Here is some:
Rita Hayworth & Shawshank Redemption
The Stand
The Shinning
The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon
The Langoliers
It
Jeff
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http://www.shawshank.org
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deathboy
ending
crystol r
love the way he writes. I got another happy ending........The Eyes of
the Dragon. It is probably my favorite so far. My favorite King
Movie is Stand by Me (a.k.a. The Body)
Vicki
jeff...@aol.com.x-files (Jeff 1013) wrote:
> <<<care to name all these books with happy endings?>>>
> ---------
> Here is some:
>
> Rita Hayworth & Shawshank Redemption
> The Stand
> The Shinning
> The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon
> The Langoliers
> It
>
> Jeff
Vicki adds her two cents
I am sure there is a catch hidden away...you know
how Stephen the ultimate bad boy, marching bolding
into the dark tower, banging his hollow, empty drums...
go for it buddy.
As for me...I shall march just as bold to the high tower
of the Lord.
Missy Pratt
Missy
>
> Vicki... just go away and never come back. Just because you don't think
> Stephen King has the same high moral standards as Your Highness doesn't mean
> you have to say so every 5 minutes. My idea of Hell is being stuck in a room
> with you for a prolonged time period.
>
> or maybe i should say it in words you'll understand:
>
> must i sit here
> and watch you take the name of OUR LORD
> STEPH*N in VAIN?
> must we sit here suffering
> in the flames of azharbarghesh
> enduring such torture?
> nay! we DESCIPLES shall not
> be nailed to crosses
> made to eat grass
> and be FED to lion cubs!
> at dusk at the promised land we
> shall ARRIVE in GLORIOUS GLORY
> of... something! so there! Ayuh!
>
> Mark (just me and my 1st edition hardcover)
Mark Edler
Vicki... just go away and never come back. Just because you don't think
DeMerchant
>
> thats 6 out of over 30... and i wouldn't categorize the stand as a happy
> ending
And I wouldn't call The Shining a happy ending.
Traci
>
> Jeff 1013 wrote:
>
> > <<<care to name all these books with happy endings?>>>
> > ---------
> > Here is some:
> >
> > Rita Hayworth & Shawshank Redemption
> > The Stand
> > The Shinning
> > The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon
> > The Langoliers
> > It
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
> > The greatest movie of all time...
> > The Shawshank Redemption
> > http://www.shawshank.org
> > *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
> > This is who we are | The truth is out there | It's only a game
--
Janine Brown
of the Century. When it was on tv I tried to tape it but my tape ran out
before it was over. Settling in a few days ago bracing for a big storm
in Michigan, I finally rented it. I watched the first tape all the way
to the end. I stopped to rewind it and my machine ate it. It still
hasn't spit it out. So the next morning I watched part two in the other
VCR. No offense but it was dragged out so long I was getting tired of
watching so I turned it off right after he took off with the kid. The
next morning I tried to watch the conclusion (who needed to hurry to
return a broken tape) and the other VCR ate that one. Could someone
please tell me how it ends?
Janine
Janine Brown
Karen Marie Cvitkovitch
Karen:)
Karen Marie Cvitkovitch
Vicki wrote:
> .I shall march just as bold to the high tower
>
Karen Marie Cvitkovitch
Karen:)
Karen Marie Cvitkovitch
Rock Productions.
Karen:)
Janine Brown wrote:
> I stopped to rewind it and my machine ate it. It still
> hasn't spit it out.
and the other VCR ate that one.
GLOCK TO DA GRILL
I'll say that it has a it of Shirley Jackson-esque (the lottery)feel at
the end. My opinion
~Nick~
Lptoro
>thats 6 out of over 30... and i wouldn't categorize the stand as a happy
>ending
>
DeMerchant
>
> Narrow Escape.
>
> Karen:)
yeah, it was. I mean, two of them narrowly escaped with their lives intact.
Their family was shattered, and their loved one died. And how much therapy will
that little kid need now that his dad tried to kill him?
Traci
>
> DeMerchant wrote:
> >
> > > ending
> >
> > And I wouldn't call The Shining a happy ending.
> >
> > Traci
> >
> > >
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toward one another, because, 'God opposes the proud
but gives grace to the humble.' Humble yourselves, therefore,
under God's mighty hand, that he may lift you up in
due time. 1 Peter 5:5-6.
Scott Peterson
DeMerchant <j...@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
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> > In article <386010c3...@news.earthlink.net>,
> > > (Hint: no year 0 in the calendar!)
>
> >
> > I agree. But don't try to explain this to anyone. I tried to tell this
> > to the editor of our little hometown newspaper and she said they were
> > "just following convention". What the hell does that mean? What
> > convention? How many millenial changes have these people been through???
> >
> > Kim
>
> Yeah, but if we start our new millenium a year early it will straighten
it out
> for the folks down the line at the year 3000 celebration.
>
> Traci
>
Yeah, but if we go by the Chinese calendar, it will be year 4697. If we
use the Jewish calendar it will be year 5760. Since we have already had two
Y2Ks come and go, I don't see why we should be all that concerned with this
one.
--
Scott
Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.
Vicki
> > --
> > The Millennium begins in Two Thousand ONE... think about it.
(Hint: no year 0 in the calendar!)
>
>
You know that, I know that...but, the major
media appears to not know that.
So, that means most people will not if that
is all they know about history.
Just like I am fully aware that Jesus was NOT born
on the 25th of Dec. I have known that for a LONG TIME.
that it most likely was in the fall. But, how do
we change that?
Government and business men will be the ones
that changes it.
I still will not look down on those who
chose to celebrate it on that day.
Doesn't mean that I can't celebrate along with those
who do and quietly do so on the real day that I beleive
it to be.
His death is more important though than his birth.
Really.
Isn't that a funny in a way?
Just one of those things I think about and share.
Cause I know someone out there has thought on these things
and may do as I.
I see nothing wrong in believeing in Santa Claus.
It did me no harm. It filled my childhood with
those things that only children can understand.
Maybe down the road I will think differently,
I don't know but,for now, that is how I see things.
I would like to see christmas be what it is all about
Santa Claus, without all the materialism
that it has become.
And let those who celebrate the birth of Christ
do so on the real day of his birth.
But, I don't have that power, so it is only wishful thinking.
DeMerchant
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> DeMerchant <j...@sprintmail.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > In article <386010c3...@news.earthlink.net>,
> > > liber...@earthlink.net (Terry Lynne "Tielle" D.) wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > (Hint: no year 0 in the calendar!)
> >
> > >
> > > I agree. But don't try to explain this to anyone. I tried to tell this
> > > to the editor of our little hometown newspaper and she said they were
> > > "just following convention". What the hell does that mean? What
> > > convention? How many millenial changes have these people been through???
> > >
> > > Kim
> >
> > Yeah, but if we start our new millenium a year early it will straighten
> it out
> > for the folks down the line at the year 3000 celebration.
> >
> > Traci
> >
> Yeah, but if we go by the Chinese calendar, it will be year 4697. If we
> use the Jewish calendar it will be year 5760. Since we have already had two
> Y2Ks come and go, I don't see why we should be all that concerned with this
> one.
>
> --
> Scott
Honey, if you could persuade my computer to run on the Jewish calendar, I'd be
forever grateful.
Traci
A woman who might even bake you cookies.
Miditrax
Vicki
>
> at dusk at the promised land we
> shall ARRIVE in GLORIOUS GLORY
> of... something! so there! Ayuh!
>
> Mark (just me and my 1st edition hardcover)
>
>
This is between me and Stephen...so BUTT OUT!
He can always take it to EMAIL!
Terry Lynne Tielle D.
<kimpNO...@phonetech.com.invalid> wrote:
>In article <386010c3...@news.earthlink.net>,
>liber...@earthlink.net (Terry Lynne "Tielle" D.) wrote:
>> Opinions? Has motherhood made me a mushhead?
[snip]
>But, as far as you being a mush-head. No, I don't think so. I think
>that this is a collateral issue when reading King's books, or watching
>a King movie. What frightens you, as opposed to what would frighten
>someone else?
[snipped examples]
I guess that's so obvious that I didn't think about it! I read my
first King when I was 13, "The Shining". It scared me, but more from
the point of view of the little boy than anything else.
It just always seemed to me that the earlier King didn't have as many
heart-wrenching stories involving young kids, but then again, if I
read "The Shining" now, would I feel the same way about it?
>As King matures and his perspective of "What is horror", "What
>frightens me" changes, I think his writing also changes, to suit these
>new fears. And, as readers, our perspective on "What frightens me" also
>changes.
True. I guess "Storm" is THE story that pushed my terror button.
>SoTC frightened me more today than it would have when I was a teenager.
>Teenagers, maybe all childless people, can't relate to the gut
>wrenching choice offered in the film, and I don't think it can affect
>them the way it does a young mother or father. I also don't think the
>movie would have been as effective as a fatherless-King work. Pet
>Semetary is another work that effected me greatly at the time, because
>we lived on a busy road with a young son. Scared me terribly.
When I read "Pet Semetary" I didn't have any children yet. But I have
to admit that for me the worst part was when the little boy got
killed. I can't imagine rereading it now without feeling that
magnified ten times!
[snip]
>Anyway, I don't think you are a mush-head. I think that you are a young
>mother with different fears, and that, over time, those fears will
>change, as will King's. Hopefully our life experiences follow King's to
>a degree that we "get him" and get his fears at the same time. The
>books will be much more enjoyable that way.
BTW, thank you for saying I'm "young". I'll be 35 next month, and I
dread it. As far as parenting, well, I guess I am young. My son is
3, and he's the older one.
Another BTW-- I'm sorry I don't have the message anymore (I think it
was Tracy's), but she asked me what I would have done differently with
the story. Well, I did have one idea: after Lenoge flies away with
Ralphie, maybe a much older child suddenly appears in the room... or
an adult, even. He says, "Father, it's me," or something like that.
"I've come back in time for a moment, just to let you know that Lenoge
is dead, and even though he raised me, I work for good now." I know,
I know, hokey. But I thought that might be cool. And then they could
have the two of them hugging with violins in the background, and
grownup Ralph could whisper to his Dad, "I never forgot you."
But I'm not Stephen King. I'm just a mother who loves her little boy
and gets mushy at sad endings. :)
>> The Millennium begins in Two Thousand ONE... think about it.
>> (Hint: no year 0 in the calendar!)
>
>I agree. But don't try to explain this to anyone. I tried to tell this
>to the editor of our little hometown newspaper and she said they were
>"just following convention". What the hell does that mean? What
>convention? How many millenial changes have these people been through???
>
>Kim
Really! So, if the convention was that everyone should jump off a
cliff on New Year's Eve, should we follow convention? (LOL)
I know it's a losing battle. Oh well. Happy New Last Year of the
Millennium, anyway!
Terry
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Terry Lynne Tielle D.
wrote:
>Just my quick 2 cents on this. I was very disappointed in the ending.
>Personally I like to see the good guy win. The only good part to me was
>Mike sticking to his guns.
>
>DON
>
ITA! That was the very best part of the story... what conviction!
Terry
Vicki
"Mark Edler" <kra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Vicki wrote in message <846vvl$ita$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> >
> >
> >>
> >
> >> at dusk at the promised land we
> >> shall ARRIVE in GLORIOUS GLORY
> >> of... something! so there! Ayuh!
> >>
> >> Mark (just me and my 1st edition hardcover)
> >>
> >>
> >
> >This is between me and Stephen...so BUTT OUT!
> >
> >He can always take it to EMAIL!
>
> They do not understand such things as
> honour, and sticking up for our
> lord STEPH*N. In their cowardice, they fear
> retaliation... akin to the school bully.
>
Vicki writes,
whatever, Mark. I do not worship movie stars
boy,I am glad I stop watching TV. I think
that is why i am not in awe and take to them
as I would others.
> Mark (just me and my radiohead cd... whoopeee)
OK...must have some hidden meaning
that has escaped me. Wait, I do recall stating
I like them. Is this bad? I have
heard a couple of songs of theirs. What tell me,
is there somethin about them that you know that I don't and it
makes me look like what?
I'm lost here Mark, help me out.
Scullycat2
>to admit that for me the worst part was when the little boy got
>killed. I can't imagine rereading it now without feeling that
>magnified ten times!
This was my problem. As a parent, it is very very hard to read about child
death.
Cathi K
http://scullycat2.tsx.org
*********
"We are all wanderers on this earth. Our hearts are full of wonder, and our
souls are deep with dreams." -Gypsy proverb
DeMerchant
(stuff I snipped)
>
> Another BTW-- I'm sorry I don't have the message anymore (I think it
> was Tracy's), but she asked me what I would have done differently with
> the story. Well, I did have one idea: after Lenoge flies away with
> Ralphie, maybe a much older child suddenly appears in the room... or
> an adult, even. He says, "Father, it's me," or something like that.
> "I've come back in time for a moment, just to let you know that Lenoge
> is dead, and even though he raised me, I work for good now." I know,
> I know, hokey. But I thought that might be cool. And then they could
> have the two of them hugging with violins in the background, and
> grownup Ralph could whisper to his Dad, "I never forgot you."
>
> But I'm not Stephen King. I'm just a mother who loves her little boy
> and gets mushy at sad endings. :)
>
>
Yeah, it was me. And while as a mother I loved your ending, as a story, that
ending would seriously suck. Really. ;-)
Traci
Mark Edler
>
>
>>
>
>> at dusk at the promised land we
>> shall ARRIVE in GLORIOUS GLORY
>> of... something! so there! Ayuh!
>>
>> Mark (just me and my 1st edition hardcover)
>>
>>
>
>This is between me and Stephen...so BUTT OUT!
>
>He can always take it to EMAIL!
Ah, such is the way of the evil ones.
They do not understand such things as
honour, and sticking up for our
lord STEPH*N. In their cowardice, they fear
retaliation... akin to the school bully.
Mark (just me and my radiohead cd... whoopeee)
Mark Edler
>whatever, Mark. I do not worship movie stars
>boy,I am glad I stop watching TV. I think
>that is why i am not in awe and take to them
>as I would others.
I didn't mention any movie stars.
>
>> Mark (just me and my radiohead cd... whoopeee)
>
>OK...must have some hidden meaning
>that has escaped me. Wait, I do recall stating
>I like them. Is this bad? I have
>heard a couple of songs of theirs. What tell me,
>is there somethin about them that you know that I don't and it
>makes me look like what?
>I'm lost here Mark, help me out.
Rack your brains Vicki. I was just listening to them at the time, that's
all. No more, no less. Although I don't believe you should be listening to
them since they don't share your idea of a bright future.
Mark
Zorina Wrenn
David Rawsthorne wrote in message
> I have not seen the movie, but I do have the book, and I too was shocked,
> and a little upset at the ending.
There's a book? I thought it was an original screenplay made
for television?
Zorina
Confused :/
Kira
Kinet Chi <qua...@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kumh6scebm29fvr8t...@4ax.com...
> Zorina Wrenn wrote:
>
>
> >There's a book? I thought it was an original screenplay made
> >for television?
>
>
> form after the mini-series aired.
Did anyone else hope that when this came out that it was a book not the
screen play, how can you read the screen play? I still hope that someday
King will write it as a bood, I loved the story and would really love to see
it written as a book.
Kira
Kinet Chi
Kira asked:
>Did anyone else hope that when this came out that it was a book not the
>screen play, how can you read the screen play? I still hope that someday
>King will write it as a bood, I loved the story and would really love to see
>it written as a book.
I would also like to see a novelization of the story. One Can get
interested in screenplays but it takes a bit more (less?)
concentration. Barker released a book of three plays he wrote
and, although the play format bothered me at first, I found I
quickly adapted to it and was able to enjoy them.
Kinet Chi
Scullycat2
>don't believe you should be listening to
>them since they don't share your idea of a bright future.
Say Mark, have you tried the new Rage Against The Machine (Battle of Los
Angeles)? MAN, is it good!
Jadz...@webtv.net
Terry Lynne Tielle D.
wrote:
>Well then it sounds like stephen King maybe just isn't your cup of tea, as
>the stories in which "the good guys win" are few and far between.
>
>DonFro...@webtv.net wrote:
>
>> Just my quick 2 cents on this. I was very disappointed in the ending.
>> Personally I like to see the good guy win. The only good part to me was
>> Mike sticking to his guns.
>>
>> DON
>
I think it's a mixed bag, actually. In "The Shining", the good guys
win, even though there is some death. In "Firestarter", same thing.
"Needful Things", "The Stand", even "Bag of Bones"... if I could get
my collection out, I'm sure I could recall several more SK stories
where the "good guy wins".
Terry Lynne Tielle D.
wrote:
>care to name all these books with happy endings? to me in most cases there
>always somehting sad about the ending, it's almost never a total victory for
>the good guys.
[snip]
I'll concede that point. OTOH, if the endings were total victory
endings, they wouldn't be Stephen King stories. "Happy" is being used
here as a relative term. Happy for an SK story? I'd say there are
several, yes.
Vicki
deathboy <deat...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> Why people always say they don't like things that effect them in such
a way? To me being so deeply
> moved is a sure sign of the work's greatness.
>
I agree. I do not seek out things that are
replusive to me or grosses me out. Not as entertainment.
Vicki
Terry Lynne Tielle D.
>In article <385F79AA...@prodigy.net>,
> deathboy <deat...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>> Why people always say they don't like things that effect them in such
>a way? To me being so deeply
>> moved is a sure sign of the work's greatness.
>>
[snip]
I would add, though, that not all things that move us could be
classified as "great". There can be things that move us in negative
ways, and while the story itself might have been a "great" story,
sometimes the unexpected effects are *not* so great for the
reader/viewer!
My husband, for example, couldn't watch "Misery". He had a wife who
was schizophrenic, and when he watches "crazy" people in movies, it
touches something in him he'd rather not revisit. Says nothing about
how good the story itself might have been. (I liked it.)
>I agree. I do not seek out things that are
>replusive to me or grosses me out. Not as entertainment.
>
>Vicki
>
Exactly. I can't watch movies or shows about children being
kidnapped, even if they're fiction. We all have our little buttons!
>
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>Before you buy.
Terry
Dohi
> OT: Wasn't High Tower in the Police Academy movies?
Still OT: Yeah, he sure was! And in a two Married... With Children
episodes, IIRC. I'm not a fan of Bubba (his real name this is :)),
but I just loooooove MWC (and the first 2 Police Academy movies were
good too).
--
Dohi
"I see the bad moon rising, I see trouble on the way."
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Mark Edler
<19991228185656...@ng-cb1.aol.com>...
>>>> Mark (just me and my radiohead cd... whoopeee)
>
>>don't believe you should be listening to
>>them since they don't share your idea of a bright future.
>
>Say Mark, have you tried the new Rage Against The Machine (Battle of Los
>Angeles)? MAN, is it good!
I have to admit i'm not much of a Rage fan, although I do like a couple of
my songs. One of my friends is a Rage fanatic, and plays them constantly, so
I don't even have to OWN the album to hear it all the time :)
Mark
B. Richardson
> I watched most of "Storm of the Century" when it recently aired on
> Sci-Fi. I'm not sure why, but the way it ended really bothered me. I
> guess, somehow, I was hoping that something would happen-- divine
> intervention, or something-- before Lenoge (sp) flew off with that
> little boy.
The only other option was for EVERYONE, including the boy and all the rest of the children to die.
This was a lesser of two evils choice and I think they made the only decision they could have. If
it'd been my kid, I probably would have been as bitter and heartsick as the protagonist, but even
then I'd have to intellectually accept there was no other real option.
That's why King is such a great author. He doesn't leave the reader with a nice tidy escape route
for the emotions and even his happy endings come at a price.
B. Richardson
> "B. Richardson" wrote:
>
> >
> > The only other option was for EVERYONE, including the boy and all the rest of the children to die.
> > This was a lesser of two evils choice and I think they made the only decision they could have. If
> > it'd been my kid, I probably would have been as bitter and heartsick as the protagonist, but even
> > then I'd have to intellectually accept there was no other real option.
> >
>
> Heres another thought--maybe it would have been better to sacrifice everyone on the island in order to
> stop Linoge. thats what i take from the story, that the people on the island couldn't see the bigger
> picture, that to them their tiny little island is the whole world. They argued that sacrificing one
> bay was for the greater good of the island, but sacrificing the whole island, including all the
> children, would have truly been serving a greater good.
I don't know about that. There was the whole Roanoke colony/Croaton story there which implied that he
gave that group a similar choice and they chose to defy him, resulting in their deaths. And yet their
defiance obviously didn't stop Linoge. I don't think the sacrifice of everyone on Little Tall would have
either.
deathboy
Kathryn
couldn't be stopped by sacrificing the whole island. However, had the
island of Little Tall done the same thing, Linoge WOULD have been
stopped. He was dying, and if they had opposed him, he probably would
have died before he could find another island situation that would be
conducive towards his goal of finding a child to teach.
Kathryn
On Sun, 02 Jan 2000 22:47:26 -0600, "B. Richardson"
<btr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>deathboy wrote:
>
>> "B. Richardson" wrote:
>>
<snippage>
deathboy
"B. Richardson" wrote:
> deathboy wrote:
>
> > "B. Richardson" wrote:
> >
> > >
> I don't know about that. There was the whole Roanoke colony/Croaton story there which implied that he
> gave that group a similar choice and they chose to defy him, resulting in their deaths. And yet their
> defiance obviously didn't stop Linoge. I don't think the sacrifice of everyone on Little Tall would have
> either.
He needed a child or his evil would die with him... he said so. if they didn't give him a child he'd either
have to find one somewhere else or die without passing his evil on. Likely he would try again someplace
else, but if they too denied him eventually he'd run out of time and die without ever finding a protege.
Remember, he said even though he was dying he stilled had a very long time to live in terms of human life
expectancy, Roanoke was probably his first attempt at getting a child and was denied there so he tried
Little Tall next. If they had denied him, in another hundred years maybe hes tries again, and if he is
denied that time maybe it is too late and he dies.
Karen Marie
inconceivable to me. I would have left her as soon as she spoke up in
favor of taking her child away.
Karen:)
(Can this be related to a *women's choice in abortion?)
"B. Richardson" wrote:
>
> Terry Lynne Tielle D. wrote:
B. Richardson
> That's the wife's side. I would have never chosen that way. It is
> inconceivable to me. I would have left her as soon as she spoke up in
> favor of taking her child away.
Well, I'd rather have my kid alive where there is a chance, albeit a
slim one, that I could rescue him in future and/or he might be able to
get away, than have him and everyone else killed out of hand that very
night.
Granted, what we know of Linoge and how the story ends, pretty much
precludes the kid ever "escaping" Linoge or his influence, but from the
parents' point of view, they couldn't know that at the time. At that
point, I'd be thinking alive is better than dead.
Karen Marie
through me before he got to my kid. I think it seems to be the *parent*
thing to do.
Karen:)
Zorina Wrenn
Karen Marie <kc...@home.com> wrote in message
news:38717C58...@home.com...
> True, we know how it ends but I still feel that he would have to come
> through me before he got to my kid. I think it seems to be the *parent*
> thing to do.
> "B. Richardson" wrote:
> >
> > Granted, what we know of Linoge and how the story ends, pretty much
> > precludes the kid ever "escaping" Linoge or his influence, but from the
> > parents' point of view, they couldn't know that at the time. At that
> > point, I'd be thinking alive is better than dead.
He'd have to go thru me, too. However, I'm also reminded
of the old story of the 2 women who claim one child as
their own and finally go to King Solomon >?> to decide
who is the real mother. When the wise king suggests cutting
the child in half......well, you know the story. Save the child,
at all costs.
Just another somethin'
Zorina
DeMerchant
"B. Richardson" wrote:
>
> Karen Marie wrote:
>
> > That's the wife's side. I would have never chosen that way. It is
> > inconceivable to me. I would have left her as soon as she spoke up in
> > favor of taking her child away.
>
> Well, I'd rather have my kid alive where there is a chance, albeit a
> slim one, that I could rescue him in future and/or he might be able to
> get away, than have him and everyone else killed out of hand that very
> night.
>
> Granted, what we know of Linoge and how the story ends, pretty much
> precludes the kid ever "escaping" Linoge or his influence, but from the
> parents' point of view, they couldn't know that at the time. At that
> point, I'd be thinking alive is better than dead.
You know, I've thought about this before. When little kids get kidnapped, I
have to wonder if their parents are hoping for the kidnapper who just wants to
kill, or the kidnapper who is raping and torturing their baby. Most often they
end up killed in that case too, don't they? (Stupid me, they are just hoping
for the tv kidnappers, who just wanted a kid to love and couldn't have their
own.)
I've wondered, if it were my kid which I'd hope for. My only answer is that
when they find a child's body and report that the child had not been molested,
something inside me breathes a sigh of relief, and a little involuntary thought
pops up "Thank God they didn't have to go through the terror and pain of that".
Maybe that is my answer.
Traci
--
Live so that when your children think of fairness and integrity, they think of
you.
Vicki
DeMerchant <j...@sprintspamblockmail.com> wrote in message
news:387234B2...@sprintspamblockmail.com...
I cannot stand people like you. And you know exactly
what it is I speak of.
Vicki
Vicki
>
> I've wondered, if it were my kid which I'd hope for. My only answer is
that
> when they find a child's body and report that the child had not been
molested,
> something inside me breathes a sigh of relief, and a little involuntary
thought
> pops up "Thank God they didn't have to go through the terror and pain of
that".
> Maybe that is my answer.
>
> Traci
> --
> Live so that when your children think of fairness and integrity, they
think of
> you.
>
You have crossed the point of no return. I will find you out. Watch me
and see.
Vicki
Robin Thiel
Robin Thiel
"Vicki" wrote in message
Robin Thiel
> I cannot stand people like you. And you know exactly what it is I speak
of.
>
> Vicki
>
Vicki,
I do not know what you speak of, but I can't help but think you're just an
inconsolable bitch.
For quite a while now, I've lurked here and read the posts and I just don't
get it. Where do you get off with the holier-than-thou attitude?
Are we all not entitled to our opinions? It seems as though the only one
who is, is yourself. And heaven forbid we disagree with you. Then we get
the snide comments. Can't you just say to yourself, "I don't agree with
that person's opinions" and let it be?
From old people to religion and everything in between, you seem to have a
comment to slam someone. Why can't you just shut up for once? You say you
were driven from your previous internet provider, or however you previously
put it. Perhaps it was of your own doing? Do you think that an ISP will
put up with people abusing their system? And that's just what you're doing,
Vicki. Abusing your ISP. And you're abusing my ISP by posting your drivel.
Grow up and realize that your words affect more than just you. I have not
seen one decent word from you in a very long time. Only derogatory,
inflammatory posts. Not everyone uses a kill-file, although maybe more
people should. You continuously make absurd posts and avoid valid questions
that are asked of you. From what I've gathered from this newsgroup, you're
taking some sort of medication? Perhaps your dosage needs to be upped. I
know a few people who that's helped. Maybe it would help you to be a nicer
person.
Go ahead and slam me, flame me, hell, you can even report me. But by doing
so, you'll prove to me and the rest of the group that you cannot be an adult
and make a rational, non-inflammatory post.
Robin Thiel
Vicki
Robin Thiel <ro...@thiel95.com> wrote in message
news:s75fs8r...@news.supernews.com...
> That sounds a bit threatening.
>
> Robin Thiel
>
Take it any way you want.
I am tired of cowards with no damn guts
slamming me, trying to make me worry about me kid,
harassing me everytime I post.
Them claiming I am paranoid.
I want to know who...once you know
who...it's like lights shining on roaches
they all go running to the dark
corners.
Show the world what you are really like.
Behind you changing names, changing genders
playing a game that you won't win.
Keep trying to get me to say...I will
come and do this or that.
ohhh, it was an innocnet post about fears that King explores
in his movies.
Let's see, what was it not to long ago.
"Lets talk about fear?"
I took it in some paranoid way.
RIGHT!
Low men, and low women, with no honor,
with no integrity, with no values, no conscience
nothing is beneath then, nothing
is too low for the cause. uhh?
You think that there is no one
who would dare help me.
You are soooo very wrong.
G-d always has those who
have REFUSED to bow to Baal!
ALWAYS, there will be men of G-d who fear not.
Once the picture becomes clear, watch all hell break loose.
It's called what goes around comes around....war is a terrible
thing...but, a very real reality.
Once people get that thru their thick
skulls that they are those who
would destroy our way of life with pleasure
and enjoy the slaughter.
I read of a little serb girl of ten, who had her legs
chopped off at the knees, then raped by Muslim
men.
I see you in that same light.
I will fight people like that, capable of such cruelity
as long as I live...I care not who they are, nor what
they have become,
their belief, nor the color of their skin.
I read of two officers forced by pistols
to suck a mans penis then they were shot while he came.
I see you in the same light.
I loathe you and allo like that.
I read of a man who chopped of a 16 year old girls
arms after raping her, and leaving her in a ditch...
I see you in the same light.
Then let lose to kill again, by bleeding hearts
who would take my gun to defend myself from
the sort I have just spoken of.
You may fool others but you do not fool me.
As they say, you sins will find you out...
you can take that to the bank.
Vicki
Christiane
first part and so didn't watch the rest. I was told about what happened
by a friend, which helped affirm my decision not to watch it at all.
One of the things that has been a hallmark of King's good against evil
books is that in the end, good wins. That's what keeps me coming back.
Evil may muck things up in a grand way and take out half of creation in
the process, but good wins when the final page is written.
I also like the fact that in his other books evil isn't eradicated,
because that's how this world functions. This book is going to join
Gerald's Game as one that will never grace my shelves and my King
collection.
In article <386010c3...@news.earthlink.net>,
liber...@earthlink.net (Terry Lynne "Tielle" D.) wrote:
>
>
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
> Okay, I haven't been in here for a long time, and maybe this subject
> has already been talked to death, BUT...
>
> I watched most of "Storm of the Century" when it recently aired on
> Sci-Fi. I'm not sure why, but the way it ended really bothered me. I
> guess, somehow, I was hoping that something would happen-- divine
> intervention, or something-- before Lenoge (sp) flew off with that
> little boy.
>
> Now, I've been an SK fan since I was 13 (I'm 34 now), and I know that
> his endings aren't always happy-sappy-- in fact, they often are not--
> but it seems like ever since I had kids (a boy and a girl), I'm more
> sensitive to stories that involve kids and sad endings. Anyone else?
> Is it just me?
>
> Ever since I saw "SOTC", I've been having nightmares off and on that
> it's my 3-year-old son Jason he's flying off with. It's terrible!
> I've never been so deeply affected on a subconscious level by a King
> story.
>
> When Mike Anderson said, "That was nine years ago," I actually yelled
> at my TV, "Oh, come on! It *can't* end like that!" It leaves you
> wondering if the little boy cried for his parents after he was taken
> away, or how Lenoge insinuated his evil on the poor kid, and what
> happened in the nine years that would make a kid hiss and bear fangs
> at a father he used to love when he was little.
>
> I know, I know, it's FICTION. Tell my subconscious, because it hasn't
> quite gotten that yet!
>
> BTW, as I watched all the people voting about whether to give Lenoge a
> child, I voted with Mike... No!
>
> Meanwhile, I'm listening to "Blood and Smoke", read by SK, and
> thoroughly enjoying it. No kids involved in abductions or gory death,
> or anything... just good, grown-up horror.
>
> Opinions? Has motherhood made me a mushhead?
Nightvison
news:s75fs8r...@news.supernews.com...
> That sounds a bit threatening.
>
> Robin Thiel
>
I will...I will find out who she, he is.
Take it any way you want.
I am tired of cowards with no damn guts
slamming me, trying to make me worry about me kid,
harassing me everytime I post.
Them claiming I am paranoid.>>
I'm sorry, I couldn't shut up. But this is wearing on me finally. This post had
no refrence to you, Vicki! Why do you have to infect every subject on this ng
with your paranoid delusions? I wonder why this bothered you so much, when it
wasn't in reference to you? Someone touch a nerve? Is it because they took your
child from you? If you ever really had one. I don't believe for a minute that
anyone would allow you to care for a child. It's probably a stuffed doll that
you keep hidden in a closet.
melinda
Vicki wrote:
> > I've wondered, if it were my kid which I'd hope for. My only answer is
> that
> > when they find a child's body and report that the child had not been
> molested,
> > something inside me breathes a sigh of relief, and a little involuntary
> thought
> > pops up "Thank God they didn't have to go through the terror and pain of
> that".
> > Maybe that is my answer.
> >
> > Traci
> > --
> > Live so that when your children think of fairness and integrity, they
> think of
> > you.
> >
>
> I cannot stand people like you. And you know exactly
> what it is I speak of.
>
> Vicki
Now why would you not like that? I, personally, would also breathe a sigh of
relief that my kidnapped and dead child was not raped before she was killed! I
have been through a rape and would never wish that kind of terror and
degradation on anyone!
Melinda
Carla Pettigrew
> I was also horrified by the ending. In fact, I had bad dreams after the
> first part and so didn't watch the rest. I was told about what happened
> by a friend, which helped affirm my decision not to watch it at all.
See, to me, that's horror at its finest. Black Christmas and The
Changeling scared me nearly that badly, and instead of avoiding them or
SofC (which is your right), I devoured them.
> One of the things that has been a hallmark of King's good against evil
> books is that in the end, good wins. That's what keeps me coming back.
> Evil may muck things up in a grand way and take out half of creation in
> the process, but good wins when the final page is written.
You can say good won in the father's heart. He held firm and true, and
didn't apparently corrupt after the event (his acceptance of events re:
his wife, friend, etc.)
> I also like the fact that in his other books evil isn't eradicated,
> because that's how this world functions.
But evil wasn't eradicated here, either.
O:) Carla
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Covenant
I really do feel sorry for you Vicki.
I know, I shouldn't.
I should just let you warble away and ignore you.
but I hate seeing people in pain, and you SO obviously are.
Vicki <vi...@ikansas.com> wrote in message
news:84v3i...@enews3.newsguy.com...
>
> Robin Thiel <ro...@thiel95.com> wrote in message
> news:s75fs8r...@news.supernews.com...
> > That sounds a bit threatening.
> >
> > Robin Thiel
> >
> I will...I will find out who she, he is.
> Take it any way you want.
> I am tired of cowards with no damn guts
> slamming me, trying to make me worry about me kid,
> harassing me everytime I post.
> Them claiming I am paranoid.
>
Vicki
> > Vicki
>
> Now why would you not like that? I, personally, would also breathe a sigh
of
> relief that my kidnapped and dead child was not raped before she was
killed! I
> have been through a rape and would never wish that kind of terror and
> degradation on anyone!
>
> Melinda
I said I canot stand people like her and that includes YOU!
Don't put words in my mouth.
Vicki
>
Vicki
Nightvison <night...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000105100301...@ng-ca1.aol.com...
> Robin Thiel <ro...@thiel95.com> wrote in message
> news:s75fs8r...@news.supernews.com...
> > That sounds a bit threatening.
> >
> > Robin Thiel
> >
> I will...I will find out who she, he is.
> Take it any way you want.
> I am tired of cowards with no damn guts
> slamming me, trying to make me worry about me kid,
> harassing me everytime I post.
> Them claiming I am paranoid.>>
>
post had
> no refrence to you, Vicki!
AH aH aHaH, gee, who the hell was she/it/ he/ speaking to?
Keep digging that hole, when your done....
Nightvison writes,
Why do you have to infect every subject on this ng
> with your paranoid delusions? I wonder why this bothered you so much, when
it
> wasn't in reference to you? Someone touch a nerve?
Vicki writes,
touch a nerve...no. Keep trying though. Soon it may touch you.
Nightvison writes
Is it because they took your
> child from you?
Vicki writes,
No one took my kid from me. Where do you get these far out stories?
What kid was taken that you are speaking of?
Explain? Is there something you know that I don't?
Nightvison writes
If you ever really had one. I don't believe for a minute that
> anyone would allow you to care for a child. It's probably a stuffed doll
that
> you keep hidden in a closet.
Vicki writes,
Ohhh....is that like the hindu belief that it's all an illusion?
Reality, the here and now, isn't really the here and now,UH?
Whatever you say.....
I get it...tiptoeing away.
Vicki
Vicki
Carla Pettigrew
<screa...@mindspringbounce.com>screa...@mindspringbounce.com.
Vicki replies,
Your ego is something to behold.
Here's a riddle.
How many does it take to bring down one wee girl down.
Who loves the G-d of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob?
We don't know as they are still trying. It's been almost5 four
years and still I stand tall.
Vicki
deathboy
watch horror movies? Do you also say such things as "I didn't like that
episode of Seinfeld, it was too funny for my liking" ? People read horror
because they like to be scared or read dark and disturbing things, granted
this is not for everyone, but to criticize a work of horror for beign too
scary is ludicrous.
Christiane wrote:
> I was also horrified by the ending. In fact, I had bad dreams after the
> first part and so didn't watch the rest. I was told about what happened
> by a friend, which helped affirm my decision not to watch it at all.
> One of the things that has been a hallmark of King's good against evil
> books is that in the end, good wins. That's what keeps me coming back.
> Evil may muck things up in a grand way and take out half of creation in
> the process, but good wins when the final page is written.
>
> I also like the fact that in his other books evil isn't eradicated,
Christiane
there are different types of humor; black humor, slapstick, sarcastic,
or whatnot, there are different types of horror. This book crossed a
line into a version that I didn't appreciate. However, thank you for
informing me that I'm ludicrous for having an opinion. It's so
enlightening.
In article <3873DD56...@prodigy.net>,
deathboy
Christiane wrote:
> There's a difference being scared and being horrified. In the same way
> there are different types of humor; black humor, slapstick, sarcastic,
> or whatnot, there are different types of horror.
>
People who don't like a certain type of comedy, say black humor, don't like
it because they don't find it funny, so I don't quite see that such a
statement is applicable as you clearly stated you found storm of the century
to be scary.
Covenant
What about a couple of socks?
Ivy Lee
wrote:
>
>People who don't like a certain type of comedy, say black humor, don't like
>it because they don't find it funny, so I don't quite see that such a
>statement is applicable as you clearly stated you found storm of the century
>to be scary.
I like spicy food, but I'm not going to down a jar of jalapenos neat.
People have varying tastes. Deal with it.
Ivy
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B. Richardson
> [snip of shizophrenic delusional rant]
All I can say is "Wow!" While sad, it is also very interesting watching a
mind come apart before my very eyes.
B. Richardson
> I was also horrified by the ending. In fact, I had bad dreams after the
> first part and so didn't watch the rest. I was told about what happened
> by a friend, which helped affirm my decision not to watch it at all.
> One of the things that has been a hallmark of King's good against evil
> books is that in the end, good wins. That's what keeps me coming back.
> Evil may muck things up in a grand way and take out half of creation in
> the process, but good wins when the final page is written.
>
> I also like the fact that in his other books evil isn't eradicated,
> because that's how this world functions. This book is going to join
> Gerald's Game as one that will never grace my shelves and my King
> collection.
Sure, if you ignore the books where good doesn't win, it's easy to say that
good always wins in King's stories. In reality, that is hardly the case.
The great majority of stories in Skeleton Crew, Night Shift and
Nightmare/Dreamscapes end with the "good guys" being wiped out. (Trucks,
Survivor Type, The Raft, Survivor Type, The Jaunt, Beachworld, Strawberry
Spring, The Boogeyman) and his novels certainly don't always end on a high
note (Cujo, Christine, etc.)
B. Richardson
> I was also horrified by the ending. In fact, I had bad dreams after the
> first part and so didn't watch the rest. I was told about what happened
> by a friend, which helped affirm my decision not to watch it at all.
> One of the things that has been a hallmark of King's good against evil
> books is that in the end, good wins. That's what keeps me coming back.
> Evil may muck things up in a grand way and take out half of creation in
> the process, but good wins when the final page is written.
And then there's always Pet Sematary. How did the good guys win in that
one?
Christiane
original comment. I NEVER once used the word scary or scared. If
you're going to pick an argument with someone, at least use word that
they've said instead of making things up.
In article <38752B87...@prodigy.net>,
deathboy <deat...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
>
> Christiane wrote:
>
> > There's a difference being scared and being horrified. In the same
way
> > there are different types of humor; black humor, slapstick,
sarcastic,
> > or whatnot, there are different types of horror.
> >
>
> People who don't like a certain type of comedy, say black humor, don't
like
> it because they don't find it funny, so I don't quite see that such a
> statement is applicable as you clearly stated you found storm of the
century
> to be scary.
>
>
Karen Marie
Christiane wrote:
>
> There's a difference being scared and being horrified.
Those are emotions that seem to me to be directly related.
In the same way
> there are different types of humor; black humor, slapstick, sarcastic,
> or whatnot, there are different types of horror.
There are horror novels, there are thrillers and there are mysteries.
Surely you can tell the difference.
This book crossed a
> line into a version that I didn't appreciate. However, thank you for
> informing me that I'm ludicrous for having an opinion. It's so
> enlightening.
>
>
He wasn't saying that your opinion is ludicrous, he was saying that you
should have known what you were buying.
Karen:)
DeMerchant
You know, good rarely does win in King's books, and even more rare is a really
happy ending.
But how would we all evaluate the statement :
I like King books because Evil rarely triumphs.
Is that a more accurate way to state it?
musing,
Karen Marie
the protagonist down. They always do what they have to do, whether it's
revenge, a quest or some sort of redemption.
So, I would have to say:
I like King books because people solider on.
IMO,
Karen:)
melinda
> You know, good rarely does win in King's books, and even more rare is a really
> happy ending.
>
> But how would we all evaluate the statement :
> I like King books because Evil rarely triumphs.
>
> Is that a more accurate way to state it?
>
How 'bout this. King's books are true-to-life, where rarely does one triumph over
the other. It just sort of balances out in the end.
Melinda
Tracicle
>
>> I was also horrified by the ending. In fact, I had bad dreams after the
>> first part and so didn't watch the rest. I was told about what happened
>> by a friend, which helped affirm my decision not to watch it at all.
>> One of the things that has been a hallmark of King's good against evil
>> books is that in the end, good wins. That's what keeps me coming back.
>> Evil may muck things up in a grand way and take out half of creation in
>> the process, but good wins when the final page is written.
But, that's like saying you want to leave life early because the ending
isn't happy and relieving!
That's like taking your kid out of school because he/she is going to get a
D.
It's like not watching a major sports game because you can see that your
home team is losing.
Like asking a friend to tell you whether a friend with cancer died after the
fact.
Life is full of good and bad endings. It's the way things are. You can't
celebrate the good without seeing at least some of the bad...
Tracy
Ivy Lee
wrote:
>Oh, I'm sorry HORRIFIED you, how odd that a HORROR story might HORRIFY you.
>Stepehn King that bastard, imagine the nerve of him writing something so
>horrifying, I say we find him and
<snip>
Heya, Deathboy:
Your claim that there are no varying "shades" of horror, as of comedy,
is misguided at best. One can't compare a story like The Haunting of
Hill House, in which the whole *problem* is that the ghost never
outright appears, with something from the splatterpunk arena, in which
something like a victim tripping over his own intestines happens with
regularity. The open gross-out of flying leeches in IT is quite
different from the image of little Ralphie Glick floating outside that
bedroom window, scratching on the windowpane--something I remember
every time I hear the tree branch against the bathroom window on a
windy night. . . and that's not even taking into account individual
reader tastes; the examples above are really about what kind of mood
the writers were going for in the particular passages. All scares are
*not* created equal, nor were they intended to be; nor will all
readers will respond to the same passage in the same way. As
individuals, with different life experiences, phobias, and
sensitivities, readers will react on an individual basis.
But never mind all that.
Is there any reason you have become so rude in this thread? I reread
the thing, and I still can't see what made you lose your grip so
quickly. Obviously you loved SoTC, and that's good. I'm glad you
were entertained. Please accept the fact that others may have a
dissenting view, and move on with some shred of dignity.
I haven't seen SoTC yet, myself, and as you can see by my presence in
this thread (Call it a Quest for Content, if you will) am not so
absolutely raring to see it that I'm avoiding spoilers; I've been too
disappointed by King-on-tv before to hold out any huge hope of SoTC
being the entertainment experience of my lifetime. So at the moment,
I'm not sure whether I'll agree more with your lot about how great it
is, or with Christiane that it goes too far. Perhaps I'll have a
different view altogether. We'll see.
Regardless, it does not diminish King that some people don't like
everything he has ever written. Even he has his favorites; that's
human. It does not diminish *your* experience that someone else has a
different experience, and different opinions. If it does, if you feel
the need to attack like Cujo[1] every time someone differs with your
perceptions, then you're horribly insecure about them. To restate my
spicy foods analogy, perhaps you have a taste for five-alarm chili,
but other people always choose the mild bean dip--and they still sweat
and gulp ice water. It's a matter of taste. Nobody's taking your pot
of chili away from you, ok? Taste all you like, proclaim your
enjoyment to the skies, but please remember, to each his own. There
are no force-feedings here. Even if there were, you still couldn't
convince each other your tastes were "right."
I know it's not my fight, and perhaps you'll both be mad I opened my
big trap, but neither of you seem to be having fun at this point.
Lord knows this isn't Congress; we aren't being paid to argue.
Please, both of you, step back. We're all fans here, and this thread
is getting very close to the "boogerhead" stage. We have quite enough
ugliness in other arenas, I am sure you can both agree.
And I write this post with respect, honestly.
Ivy, trying to make up for an evening of utter pointlessness reading
the ng
[1] A veritable font of on-topicness, me. Yeah, baby!
deathboy
Stepehn King that bastard, imagine the nerve of him writing something so
Christiane wrote:
> I'm sorry, I assumed you could read. Go back and look closely my
> original comment. I NEVER once used the word scary or scared. If
> you're going to pick an argument with someone, at least use word that
> they've said instead of making things up.
>
> In article <38752B87...@prodigy.net>,
> deathboy <deat...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Christiane wrote:
> >
> > > There's a difference being scared and being horrified. In the same
> way
> > > there are different types of humor; black humor, slapstick,
> sarcastic,
> > > or whatnot, there are different types of horror.
> > >
> >
DeMerchant
Karen Marie wrote:
>
> Christiane wrote:
> >
> > There's a difference being scared and being horrified.
>
> Those are emotions that seem to me to be directly related.
>
> In the same way
> > there are different types of humor; black humor, slapstick, sarcastic,
> > or whatnot, there are different types of horror.
>
> There are horror novels, there are thrillers and there are mysteries.
> Surely you can tell the difference.
>
> This book crossed a
> > line into a version that I didn't appreciate. However, thank you for
> > informing me that I'm ludicrous for having an opinion. It's so
> > enlightening.
> >
> >
> He wasn't saying that your opinion is ludicrous, he was saying that you
> should have known what you were buying.
>
> Karen:)
Karen,
I disagree. He is implying that she is stupid for not liking it. Many of us
have said that other books went places we didn't care to go again.
I for one have publicly stated that Misery was too much for me. Too intense,
too icky, just too much. I don't intend to see the movie, nor to ever read the
book again.
Fortunately, nobody felt the need to slam me, or tell me that since I enjoyed
Salem's Lot or The Shining, I have no business complaining about Misery.
And if some people need to get on the slam-it bandwagon, some number of us
have said we can't take Pet Semetary, because as parents we can't deal with Gage
dying. There, ya'll have fuel, go to it.
Terry Lynne Tielle D.
occurred to me that if there could be such evil in the world, surely
there must be an opposing force of good. So I would have voted no,
were I there, and then said, "Okay, force of good, you can step right
up and save the day just any time here!"
And if not, at least I'd die knowing I did the right thing.
Terry
On Mon, 03 Jan 2000 11:49:54 GMT, deathboy <deat...@prodigy.net>
wrote:
>
>
>"B. Richardson" wrote:
>
>> deathboy wrote:
>>
>> > "B. Richardson" wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > The only other option was for EVERYONE, including the boy and all the rest of the children to die.
>> > > This was a lesser of two evils choice and I think they made the only decision they could have. If
>> > > it'd been my kid, I probably would have been as bitter and heartsick as the protagonist, but even
>> > > then I'd have to intellectually accept there was no other real option.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Heres another thought--maybe it would have been better to sacrifice everyone on the island in order to
>> > stop Linoge. thats what i take from the story, that the people on the island couldn't see the bigger
>> > picture, that to them their tiny little island is the whole world. They argued that sacrificing one
>> > bay was for the greater good of the island, but sacrificing the whole island, including all the
>> > children, would have truly been serving a greater good.
>>
>> I don't know about that. There was the whole Roanoke colony/Croaton story there which implied that he
>> gave that group a similar choice and they chose to defy him, resulting in their deaths. And yet their
>> defiance obviously didn't stop Linoge. I don't think the sacrifice of everyone on Little Tall would have
>> either.
>
>He needed a child or his evil would die with him... he said so. if they didn't give him a child he'd either
>have to find one somewhere else or die without passing his evil on. Likely he would try again someplace
>else, but if they too denied him eventually he'd run out of time and die without ever finding a protege.
>Remember, he said even though he was dying he stilled had a very long time to live in terms of human life
>expectancy, Roanoke was probably his first attempt at getting a child and was denied there so he tried
>Little Tall next. If they had denied him, in another hundred years maybe hes tries again, and if he is
>denied that time maybe it is too late and he dies.
Terry Lynne Tielle D.
Where did THAT come from??
Terry
On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 03:30:24 -0600, "Vicki" <vi...@ikansas.com> wrote:
>
>Robin Thiel <ro...@thiel95.com> wrote in message
>news:s75fs8r...@news.supernews.com...
>> That sounds a bit threatening.
>>
>> Robin Thiel
>>
>I will...I will find out who she, he is.
>Take it any way you want.
>I am tired of cowards with no damn guts
>slamming me, trying to make me worry about me kid,
>harassing me everytime I post.
>Them claiming I am paranoid.
>
--
Terry Lynne Tielle D.
wrote:
>If you don't like to be scared, then why do you read horror novels and/or
>watch horror movies? Do you also say such things as "I didn't like that
>episode of Seinfeld, it was too funny for my liking" ? People read horror
>because they like to be scared or read dark and disturbing things, granted
>this is not for everyone, but to criticize a work of horror for beign too
>scary is ludicrous.
>
For me, it wasn't the "scariness" of a good ol' horror story. Horror
can be sort of fun when it's kept at a certain distance. I mean,
scary movies are great, but movies involving kids may strike some as
over the line.
In my original post, I never said this story was too scary per se--
just that it affected *me* in a strange way, and I wondered if anyone
else felt the same.
Also, SK has evolved into more than a horror writer; "The Eyes of the
Dragon" wasn't horror, and I wouldn't classify many other stories of
SK's as horror. He has successfully experimented with other jenres.
I like my horror a little on the unreal side; i.e., "no children
suffered during the creation of this story, whether in reality or in
the author's mind".
That's the only area of horror that I don't like-- well, okay; I hated
that part in "Apt Pupil" (the book) with the cat, and what happened to
it... but I'm a cat lover!
Everyone has his or her own little button that they feel uncomfortable
having pushed. You've gotta' have one, too! That doesn't make those
stories "bad" or whatever, objectively. Right?
Terry
>Christiane wrote:
>
>> I was also horrified by the ending. In fact, I had bad dreams after the
>> first part and so didn't watch the rest. I was told about what happened
>> by a friend, which helped affirm my decision not to watch it at all.
>> One of the things that has been a hallmark of King's good against evil
>> books is that in the end, good wins. That's what keeps me coming back.
>> Evil may muck things up in a grand way and take out half of creation in
>> the process, but good wins when the final page is written.
>>
>> I also like the fact that in his other books evil isn't eradicated,
>> because that's how this world functions. This book is going to join
>> Gerald's Game as one that will never grace my shelves and my King
>> collection.
>>
>> > --
>> > The Millennium begins in Two Thousand ONE... think about it. (Hint:
>> no year 0 in the calendar!)
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> Before you buy.
>
--
Terry Lynne Tielle D.
wrote:
>I was also horrified by the ending. In fact, I had bad dreams after the
>first part and so didn't watch the rest. I was told about what happened
>by a friend, which helped affirm my decision not to watch it at all.
>One of the things that has been a hallmark of King's good against evil
>books is that in the end, good wins. That's what keeps me coming back.
Yes! I guess that's what I was trying to say.
>Evil may muck things up in a grand way and take out half of creation in
>the process, but good wins when the final page is written.
>
>I also like the fact that in his other books evil isn't eradicated,
>because that's how this world functions. This book is going to join
>Gerald's Game as one that will never grace my shelves and my King
>collection.
>
I haven't read that one yet... bad ending?
Terry
Terry Lynne Tielle D.
wrote:
>Oh, I'm sorry HORRIFIED you, how odd that a HORROR story might HORRIFY you.
>Stepehn King that bastard, imagine the nerve of him writing something so
>horrifying, I say we find him and kick his ass.
>
>Christiane wrote:
>
I think Deathboy is intentionally missing the point.
Terry
>> I'm sorry, I assumed you could read. Go back and look closely my
>> original comment. I NEVER once used the word scary or scared. If
>> you're going to pick an argument with someone, at least use word that
>> they've said instead of making things up.
>>
>> In article <38752B87...@prodigy.net>,
>> deathboy <deat...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Christiane wrote:
>> >
>> > > There's a difference being scared and being horrified. In the same
>> way
>> > > there are different types of humor; black humor, slapstick,
>> sarcastic,
>> > > or whatnot, there are different types of horror.
>> > >
>> >
>> > People who don't like a certain type of comedy, say black humor, don't
>> like
>> > it because they don't find it funny, so I don't quite see that such a
>> > statement is applicable as you clearly stated you found storm of the
>> century
>> > to be scary.
>> >
>> >
>>
Karen Marie
DeMerchant wrote:
>
>
> I disagree. He is implying that she is stupid for not liking it.
He never called her stupid. Implications are in the eye of the beholder,
I guess.
Many of us
> have said that other books went places we didn't care to go again.
For me, it was Gelerld's Game, but only because I found it boring.
>
> I for one have publicly stated that Misery was too much for me. Too intense,
> too icky, just too much. I don't intend to see the movie, nor to ever read the
> book again.
Ok, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I was just
suggesting that people should know what their getting into when you pick
up a certain genre.
Karen:)