Who is Patrick Danville (Insomnia ... Dark Tower)
Robert E. Burt
In Insomnia, forces of The Purpose use Ralph and Lois to save the life of a
little boy named Patrick Danville during a Susan Day speaking engagement.
Patrick knows about the tower and even draws a picture of Roland, the
gunslinger (pp. 727-728 in hardback edition.) Lachesis says, "If the child
dies, the Tower of all existence will fall, and the consequences of such a
fall are beyond your comprehension. And beyond ours, as well." (p. 683).
Somewhere, I can't find the reference, I recall that Ralph is told that the
boy, Patrick, will save the lives of two people in seventeen or eighteen
years that I interpreted as being part of the Dark Towers series.
So, here are the questions:
1. Has Patrick Danville appeared in the Dark Towers series yet?
2. Any idea who it is that he saves that is relevant to Roland's mission?
3. Other than for Susan Day, what other connections are there between
Insomnia and The Dark Tower?
I look forward to your responses.
Bob
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Robert E. Burt (reb...@email.msn.com) wrote:
: In Insomnia, forces of The Purpose use Ralph and Lois to save the life of a
: little boy named Patrick Danville during a Susan Day speaking engagement.
: Patrick knows about the tower and even draws a picture of Roland, the
: gunslinger (pp. 727-728 in hardback edition.) Lachesis says, "If the child
: dies, the Tower of all existence will fall, and the consequences of such a
: fall are beyond your comprehension. And beyond ours, as well." (p. 683).
: Somewhere, I can't find the reference, I recall that Ralph is told that the
: boy, Patrick, will save the lives of two people in seventeen or eighteen
: years that I interpreted as being part of the Dark Towers series.
: So, here are the questions:
: 1. Has Patrick Danville appeared in the Dark Towers series yet?
Not yet.
: 2. Any idea who it is that he saves that is relevant to Roland's mission?
That has not yet been revealed.
: 3. Other than for Susan Day, what other connections are there between
: Insomnia and The Dark Tower?
The variously colored entities of Insomnia may have something to do with
the tower. I'm thinking Mr. Crimson and Mr. Green.
Susan Day is referred to in Rose Madder and RM also has some times to the
land of the Dark Tower, specifically, references to Lud and to ka/ka-tet.
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Bev Vincent
Houston, TX
Brian Schlosser
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This is just pure conjecture, but i think he saves Eddie and Roland. Also,
somehow, i think that roland is not the one who is the most important. King
has made many allusions, warnings in fact, to the possibility that not all
of the travellers will reach the Tower. I think that Patrick will save them
both, but that the opne that matters is Mr. Dean. Roland will probably die
soon there after, possibly during a final confrontation with Flagg, wherein
Flagg is finally killed as well. Does this sound logical to anyone else?
HAs this been covered before? Am i retreading old ground?
Brian Schlosser
Chris Augustine
On 14 May 1998 20:52:55 GMT, "Brian Schlosser"
<briansch...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Roland will probably die
>soon there after, possibly during a final confrontation with Flagg, wherein
>Flagg is finally killed as well. Does this sound logical to anyone else?
>HAs this been covered before? Am i retreading old ground?
I'm an optimist and I like to think that Roland won't die before reaching
the Tower. However, I'm pretty sure he won't die in a conflict with Flagg.
Remember, there's one entity after Flagg that's blocking their way to the
Tower: The Beast. If Roland dies, I think it will be at the hands of the
Beast, or maybe even the Dark Tower itself.
Chris Augustine
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Robert E. Burt
Thanks, Ms. Vincent. I read (and re-read) the entire Dark Tower series
within the past few months -- and I didn't recall any Patrick Danville.
However, it's not unusual for me to forget a character's name, particularly
if the character appears to be minor at the time. Good to know that I
didn't overlook or forget someone who appears to be quite important.
Also thanks for your ideas about The Crimson King and the green man. I
hadn't made that connection. Certainly, colors are appearing to be
increasingly important in the Dark Tower.
I'm going to have to re-read Rose Madder based on your comment and some of
the other comments in this newsgroup.
[On a personal note, a year ago we moved from your town, Houston, to
Madison, Wisconsin. It's nice to have a spring with temperatures in the
70's instead of the 80's.)
Bob
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>Robert E. Burt (reb...@email.msn.com) wrote:
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>: So, here are the questions:
Niner
Robert E. Burt <reb...@email.msn.com> wrote in article
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> Thanks, Ms. Vincent. I read (and re-read) the entire Dark Tower series
Tee hee... I just couldn't not reply to this. Bev's a guy... Don't
worry too much about it, tho. Most of us (myself included) made this
mistake. :)
> Also thanks for your ideas about The Crimson King and the green man. I
> hadn't made that connection. Certainly, colors are appearing to be
> increasingly important in the Dark Tower.
Ok, the Crimson King from Insomia is very well connected in DT4, that I
can understand. Actually, I have a feeling that the Crimson King might
be the Beast, or possibly the same entity as IT (in the end of Insomnia,
I seem to recall it turning into a spiderlike creature). Since we've
seen the Turtle, it would be feasable to bring his nemesis into this...
But as far as the Green Man, where does he pop up in DT? I don't recall
seeing any kind of hint or casual reference that pointed me in that
direction. I've read DT many time over, but each time I find something
new--probably why I like it the best.
Well, talk to you all later.
HenryB aka Niner
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Robert E. Burt
To: Bev Vincent. One of the great things about the internet is that
people are known through the quality of their ideas and their ability to
effectively communicate them. Even so, I apologize for using the
gender-incorrect salutation.
To Niner. Thanks for setting me straight.
To everyone. Isn't there a green man in Insomnia? Bev's comment suggested
to me a connection between this green man and the rainbow-colored gate
described in the Dark Tower. At this rainbow-colored gate, was green given
a specific meaning?
Also, as previously mentioned, King describes ka and ka-tet in Insomnia in
the same manner as used in Dark Tower.
Bob
Chris Augustine
On Fri, 15 May 1998 11:53:36 -0500, "Robert E. Burt" <reb...@email.msn.com>
wrote:
>Thanks, Ms. Vincent.
Bev is a man, Robert. Just thought I'd let you know.
Doux301
>This is just pure conjecture, but i think he saves Eddie and Roland. Also,
>somehow, i think that roland is not the one who is the most important. King
>has made many allusions, warnings in fact, to the possibility that not all
>of the travellers will reach the Tower. I think that Patrick will save them
>soon there after, possibly during a final confrontation with Flagg, wherein
>Flagg is finally killed as well. Does this sound logical to anyone else?
>HAs this been covered before? Am i retreading old ground?
>
Well i will say this, now i'm not much of an optimist, but, I don't think that
Roland will die. I think that he will have to not only make another sacrifice
that he deeply regrets, and that somehow he will come into conflict with the
tower (the former is conjecture and the latter is alluded to in Wizard and
Glass), and that while he'll make it there, eveyone won't and he'll finally
wonder if it was all really worth it. but we won't REALLY know for a good 7-14
years right? so don't worry
Mark & Lori Collins
Yes, there is a green man in Insomnia. He gives Lois her earrings in the park.
Crimso...@webtv.net
I agree as well. Most of king's works coincide with each other, if you
have the time to look them over. As for Flagg, I think that we have not
heard the last from him in W&G. One more thing, has anyone heard the
release date for the Desperation movie?
An eye for an eye