The Mageborn Traitor: what exactly did Collan remember?

[D. K. Kraft]

Possible spoilers, so I'll be intentially vague:

Can someone with a little greater insight explain to me *who* exactly
Collan remembered he was right before his, er, demise? I've read that
section over and over, but I can't seem to connect his newly un-Warded
memories with what I recall from _Exiles_.

All attempts at clarity appreciated.

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[Leanne Phillips]

In article <354EC3DC...@eskimo.com>, D. K. Kraft <c...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>Possible spoilers, so I'll be intentially vague:
>
> Can someone with a little greater insight explain to me *who* exactly
>Collan remembered he was right before his, er, demise? I've read that
>section over and over, but I can't seem to connect his newly un-Warded
>memories with what I recall from _Exiles_.
>
> All attempts at clarity appreciated.

It wasn't made clear. :)

*My* guess is: One grandmother is Els...something Garvedian, a Mage-Bard;
a grandfather is Viko Rosvenir. These aren't really powerful Names both,
so maybe not, but...it would be like Gorsha to hide Collan in a family
Name he has some blood from.

-Felan

[Tiggrrr]

Ok, I have to rant a little here. This should have had a spoiler space. I
haven't read MT yet, just starting it. Yes, I know about this already due
to the lack of spoiler space in prior messages but there may have been
others out there that didn't know. I will add spoiler space between my
reply and the message I'm replying to, just in case someone didn't catch it
before. My intention is not to flame anyone, but to make us all aware of
the fact that there are some of us (me especially) who are way behind on
reading the books. This contains spoiler info on Mageborn Traitor.....

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>Possible spoilers, so I'll be intentially vague:
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> Can someone with a little greater insight explain to me *who* exactly
>Collan remembered he was right before his, er, demise?

Is there a vague word for demise? I don't know the details surrounding this
incident, but I do know that one of my favorite characters doesn't make it
through the book.

[Randy Goldberg MD]

> Can someone with a little greater insight explain to me *who* exactly > Collan remembered he was right before his, er, demise? I've read that

> section over and over, but I can't seem to connect his newly un-Warded
> memories with what I recall from _Exiles_.

Simple... we don't yet know what he remembers. Melanie hasn't given us
enough information yet. So the rest of us are still as clueless as you
are.

Anyone willing to give me odds that he's Gorynel Desse's son? Hell,
Desse seems to have fathered everyone else around here. <grin>
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[Amanda Jolly]

MAJOR SPOILER FOR MT
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Leanne Phillips wrote:

> In article <354EC3DC...@eskimo.com>, D. K. Kraft <c...@eskimo.com> wrote:

> >Possible spoilers, so I'll be intentially vague:
> >

> > Can someone with a little greater insight explain to me *who* exactly
> >Collan remembered he was right before his, er, demise? I've read that
> >section over and over, but I can't seem to connect his newly un-Warded
> >memories with what I recall from _Exiles_.
> >

> > All attempts at clarity appreciated.
>
> It wasn't made clear. :)
>
> *My* guess is: One grandmother is Els...something Garvedian, a Mage-Bard;
> a grandfather is Viko Rosvenir. These aren't really powerful Names both,
> so maybe not, but...it would be like Gorsha to hide Collan in a family
> Name he has some blood from.
>
> -Felan

By the sounds of it, the wards all of a sudden disappear, just before the moment
of death, and he remembers his family. He says that they were all well loved, and
from 4 great families (or some such like) He also calls Sarra...'Sarra Ambrai',
as if he's suddenly recognised her for who she really is. (As he didn't know her
real identity before this) And do you remember all the way throught the books
there has been that wind element (1st chapter of RoA when he gets knocked into the
ravine by the wind) Collan says that there was no wind after all, and that it was
his memories (or something like that, please correct me if I'm wrong!) . There
are some theories on Pandemonium that Collan's mother is Elseveth Garvedian, but
the father is still debated!
I can't remember anymore!
Hope this helps!
Jol

[Howard Cheong]

I am willing to bet he is related to Gorynel in some way. However, when he and Sarra are trapped in the House at the Crossroads of St Feleris, he
wakes up with a certain color schemed robe on. Sarra had a Black and Turquoise robe which would indicate that the house knew the truth about Colan.

Randy Goldberg MD wrote:

> > Can someone with a little greater insight explain to me *who* exactly > Collan remembered he was right before his, er, demise? I've read that
> > section over and over, but I can't seem to connect his newly un-Warded
> > memories with what I recall from _Exiles_.
>

[Mike Schade]

Ok. Having read through Both RoA and MT, I am going to give a shot at
Collan's true name.
My belief is he is Gorynal Desse's grandson. Three reasons support
this: A: He saved Collan from scrallers's. Considering all the things
that Desse was doing at the time, It would be wise to assume that he had
have a very good reason for stopping. Kindness to a future minstal
ain't it.
Two: He warded Collan strongly even though he was a weak mageborn ( it
you disagree, read the section of MT where Glenin shout that he, Collan,
stole her ability to kill.) and said quite plainly that he hoped he
would never find out.
Three: after we discovered that Telo was Desse's son and is older than
Collan by enough time. he winced with Collan said that Cailet asked to
drop his wards. Why would Telo care unless they were about him.
Also many other instances inclunding the magic house and various
comments point to this. So Collan's true name is Desse. Telo is his
father by his first wife who died. So the four names attached to him
are Desse, Garevidian Mikilene, and Ambrai (through Gerrin Desse).

Mike

[Master Harper Gaellon (Randy Goldberg MD)]

While travelling ::between::, I noticed that Howard Cheong
<jdi...@pacbell.net> wrote:

>I am willing to bet he is related to Gorynel in some way. However, when he and Sarra are trapped in the House at the Crossroads of St Feleris, he
>wakes up with a certain color schemed robe on. Sarra had a Black and Turquoise robe which would indicate that the house knew the truth about Colan.

Hell's Bells, you're right... what colors was he wearing?!?!? And
which family owns them?

[Sel]

D. K. Kraft wrote in message <354EC3DC...@eskimo.com>...

>Possible spoilers, so I'll be intentially vague:
>

> Can someone with a little greater insight explain to me *who* exactly
>Collan remembered he was right before his, er, demise? I've read that
>section over and over, but I can't seem to connect his newly un-Warded
>memories with what I recall from _Exiles_.
>

> All attempts at clarity appreciated.

spoilers below

From what I gathered, Collan remembered his family, and realised that he
was Mageborn. The fact that he could take Glenin's 'killing' instincts from
her seems to indicate that Collan was Mageborn as well as the colossal
Mage-giftedness of Taigan and Mikel - Cailet does some wondering about who
Collan was to produce such children with Sarra's Ambrai-Feiran Mage-gifts.
Although it is kind of interesting that throughout RoA and MT, Sarra is very
obviously (to the reader) Mageborn and toted as such, while Collan is denied
to be Mageborn at every turn. Which could mean everything, or could mean
nothing.
Who his family was is not (yet) revealed. Although, once again, I would be
in no way surprised if Gorsha had a hand in it. "Why not the man with at
least one Mageborn out of every breeding pair of his Blood -right back to
the Waste War?" demands Cailet in RoA when Gorsha first makes her Captal.

[Howard]

I can't remeber the colors offhand but I do recall that they seemed odd to me.