Morris and McCabe?
cjsee
length before, but...
I've lost my copy of "A Night in the Lonesome October", and while
searching for another copy, a nagging question has resurfaced. Every
character in the book seems to represent some easily identified
character or character type from legend, but what were Morris and McCabe
(I believe that was their names - the ones who's companion was the owl
Nightwind) supposed to be? They sort of stuck out in the story to me
because I couldn't identify what they were? This question has nagged me
for years, and since none of my friends or relations have read the book,
I'm hoping someone here can help me out. Please!
Roger Evans
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I'm certainly not sure, but the thing that springs to mind for Morris and
MacCabe is Burke and Hare, but mainly because there are two of them and they
indulge in a little grave robbing....
Roger.
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Ash Wyllie
>"cjsee" <cj...@telix.com> wrote in message
>news:39BC7CAF...@telix.com...
>> I just discovered this group, so I'm sorry if this has been discussed at
>> length before, but...
>>
>> I've lost my copy of "A Night in the Lonesome October", and while
>> searching for another copy, a nagging question has resurfaced. Every
>> character in the book seems to represent some easily identified
>> character or character type from legend, but what were Morris and McCabe
>> (I believe that was their names - the ones who's companion was the owl
>> Nightwind) supposed to be? They sort of stuck out in the story to me
>> because I couldn't identify what they were? This question has nagged me
>> for years, and since none of my friends or relations have read the book,
>> I'm hoping someone here can help me out. Please!
>I'm certainly not sure, but the thing that springs to mind for Morris and
>MacCabe is Burke and Hare, but mainly because there are two of them and they
>indulge in a little grave robbing....
And where do Burke and Hare come from?
-ash
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JJM1954
>And where do Burke and Hare come from?
Great Britain. London, I believe.
John Miller
cjsee
of them.
Miraba
Has anyone compiled a list of the known identities? Considering that this
topic has come up before, it might be helpful in the future.
JJM1954
>Could you go into more specifics about who they are? I've never heard
>of them.
Actually, I was wrong about the London part. Just looked them up to make sure
I wouldn't tell too many lies with this, and their base of operation was
actually Edinburgh.
William Burke (1792-1829) and William Hare were resurrectionists, ie,
body-snatchers, who sold corpses to medical schools. When business was slow
they drummed up trade by providing their own corpses through murder. Hare had
a boarding house, and they smothered an estimated 14 to 28 borders and sold off
the corpses. They were eventually caught; Burke was hanged in 1829. Hare
turned state's evidence, and is believed to have died many years later in
England where he lived under an assumed name.
They provided the inspiration for Robert Louis Stevenson's THE BODYSNATCHERS.
I've never read that, and I've always assumed that Morris and McCabe were from
that book -- but I've assumed a lot of strange and erroneous things, so I could
be totally off-base on that.
John Miller
Ash Wyllie
>I can't remember if this has been discussed before, so I'll toss it in...
>Has anyone compiled a list of the known identities? Considering that this
>topic has come up before, it might be helpful in the future.
Character Familiar Who Type
Jack Snuff-dog Jack the Ripper Fictional?
Crazy Jill Gray-cat ??
Morrris&McCabe Nightwind-owl Burke&Hare Factual
Rastow Quicklime-snake Raputin Factual
Count Needle-bat Movie Dracula Fictional
Owen Cheeter-squirrel ??
Larry Talbot Larry Talbot Movie Werewolf Fictional
Vicar Roberts Tekela-Raven ??
Good Doctor Bubo-rat Dr Frankenstien Fictional
Isaac Asimov Factual
Great Detective Dr Watson Sherlock Holmes Fictional
Note that even the characters with factual backgrounds are closer to thier
movie portrayals then thier true life histories.
JJM1954
>Having been brought up on tales of Jack the Ripper,
Actually just returned from a trip to the UK, and when in London went on a Jack
the Ripper walk hosted by Donald Rumbelow. Quite interesting. It ended up in
the pub The Ten Bells, which apparently a number of Jack's victims used to
frequent. It looked like it.
John Miller
Miraba
Scott Zrubek
wrote:
>Extracted from the mind of Miraba;
>
>
>>I can't remember if this has been discussed before, so I'll toss it in...
>>Has anyone compiled a list of the known identities? Considering that this
>>topic has come up before, it might be helpful in the future.
>
>Character Familiar Who Type
>
>Jack Snuff-dog Jack the Ripper Fictional?
>Crazy Jill Gray-cat ??
>Morrris&McCabe Nightwind-owl Burke&Hare Factual
>Rastow Quicklime-snake Raputin Factual
>Count Needle-bat Movie Dracula Fictional
>Owen Cheeter-squirrel ??
>Larry Talbot Larry Talbot Movie Werewolf Fictional
>Vicar Roberts Tekela-Raven ??
>
>
>Good Doctor Bubo-rat Dr Frankenstien Fictional
> Isaac Asimov Factual
>Great Detective Dr Watson Sherlock Holmes Fictional
>
>
>Note that even the characters with factual backgrounds are closer to thier
>movie portrayals then thier true life histories.
>
>
>
> -ash
> for assistance dial MYCROFTXXX
>
ash,
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cjsee
Ash Wyllie wrote:
>
> Extracted from the mind of Miraba;
>
> >I can't remember if this has been discussed before, so I'll toss it in...
> >Has anyone compiled a list of the known identities? Considering that this
> >topic has come up before, it might be helpful in the future.
>
> Character Familiar Who Type
>
> Jack Snuff-dog Jack the Ripper Fictional?
> Crazy Jill Gray-cat ??
I just saw her as a sort of stereotypical witch, the same way I saw
Talbot as a stereotypical werewolf, not based on a specific character or
person.
> Morrris&McCabe Nightwind-owl Burke&Hare Factual
> Rastow Quicklime-snake Raputin Factual
> Count Needle-bat Movie Dracula Fictional
> Owen Cheeter-squirrel ??
He was a druid - a classic bloody pagan. I don't think there was a
specific person in mind with him either.
> Larry Talbot Larry Talbot Movie Werewolf Fictional
> Vicar Roberts Tekela-Raven ??
This guy didn't stick out as unidentifiable to me as Morris and McCabe,
but I'm not sure what he is. Sort of a Black Mass type.
Morgan Lewis
>
> >Extracted from the mind of Miraba;
> >
> >
> >
> >Jack Snuff-dog Jack the Ripper Fictional?
Factual. Although many works of fiction have been based on the Ripper,
and few details are known about the real Jack the Ripper.
> >Crazy Jill Gray-cat ??
It should be noted that the cat's full name is Graymalk. And I
distinctly remember reading somewhere that a graymalkin is a type of
cat. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find the reference again.
> >Morrris&McCabe Nightwind-owl Burke&Hare Factual
> >Rastow Quicklime-snake Raputin Factual
> >Count Needle-bat Movie Dracula Fictional
> >Owen Cheeter-squirrel ??
> >Larry Talbot Larry Talbot Movie Werewolf Fictional
Most precisely, the werewolf from the movie "The Wolf Man", whose name
was actually Larry Talbot.
> >Vicar Roberts Tekela-Raven ??
> >
> >
> >Good Doctor Bubo-rat Dr Frankenstien Fictional
> > Isaac Asimov Factual
I'd say just Dr. Frankenstein. I don't see any Asimov connection other
than the name, and "Good Doctor" isn't exactly an uncommon nickname for
doctors.
> >Great Detective Dr Watson Sherlock Holmes Fictional
> >
Interesting defintion of "Familiar." :)
> >
> >Note that even the characters with factual backgrounds are closer to
> >thier movie portrayals then thier true life histories.
> >
> > -ash
> > for assistance dial MYCROFTXXX
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>
> It should be noted that the cat's full name is Graymalk. And I
> distinctly remember reading somewhere that a graymalkin is a type of
> cat. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find the reference again.
>
GOT IT! The word is "grimalkin", and the reason I was confused is
because the original spelling was graymalkin. And a grimalkin is an old
female cat. I think that's worth noting on the list, isn't it?
Roger Evans
> Could you go into more specifics about who they are? I've never heard
> of them.
>
Sorry! I was at work and just dashed off a quick response without
clarification. Having been brought up on tales of Jack the Ripper, Burke
and Hare, The Bean Family, foggy London nights and remote Scottish moors I
tend to assume that this sort of stuff is generally known - again, apologies
for quick assumptions. :)
It looks like John has already provided an excellent summary in this thread
about the nefarious activities of Messrs Burke and Hare, so I'll not repeat
it. :)
Roger.
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Cheryl
Cheryl
tphile
Morgan Lewis wrote:
> > In article <1172.291T7...@lr.net>, "Ash Wyllie" <as...@lr.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Extracted from the mind of Miraba;
> > >
> > >
> > >Character Familiar Who Type
> > >
> > >Jack Snuff-dog Jack the Ripper Fictional?
>
> Factual. Although many works of fiction have been based on the Ripper,
> and few details are known about the real Jack the Ripper.
>
> > >Crazy Jill Gray-cat ??
>
> It should be noted that the cat's full name is Graymalk. And I
> distinctly remember reading somewhere that a graymalkin is a type of
> cat. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find the reference again.
>
> > >Morrris&McCabe Nightwind-owl Burke&Hare Factual
> > >Rastow Quicklime-snake Raputin Factual
> > >Count Needle-bat Movie Dracula Fictional
> > >Owen Cheeter-squirrel ??
> > >Larry Talbot Larry Talbot Movie Werewolf Fictional
>
> Most precisely, the werewolf from the movie "The Wolf Man", whose name
> was actually Larry Talbot.
>
> > >Vicar Roberts Tekela-Raven ??
> > >
> > >
> > >Good Doctor Bubo-rat Dr Frankenstien Fictional
> > > Isaac Asimov Factual
>
> I'd say just Dr. Frankenstein. I don't see any Asimov connection other
> than the name, and "Good Doctor" isn't exactly an uncommon nickname for
> doctors.
but rather ironic for "that" doctor ;-)
>
>
> > >Great Detective Dr Watson Sherlock Holmes Fictional
> > >
>
> Interesting defintion of "Familiar." :)
Elementary, my dear Morgan. Elementary ;-)
>
>
> > >
> > >Note that even the characters with factual backgrounds are closer to
> > >thier movie portrayals then thier true life histories.
> > >
> > > -ash
> > > for assistance dial MYCROFTXXX
>
Roger Evans
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> I would be interested in hearing about the Bean Family, if you have the
inclination.
>
> Cheryl
>
Certainly! This was a tale that I heard as a young boy and, as boys will be
boys, has stuck in my mind ever since....
In the 17th century, on the Ayrshire coast, there lived a nasty individual
called Sawney Bean. Mr Bean (with all due respect to Rowan Atkinson!) had a
large family who all lived in a cave near where the village of Ballantrae
now stands.
In order to feed his growing brood, he took to robbing travellers who passed
through the remote area, and to prevent his victims from spoiling this
lucrative business, he killed them. Left with the problem of the bodies, he
decided that to dispose of the remains he would cook the victims and thus
provide Sunday dinner for his offspring. This continued for some time, until
his family band ambushed a traveller and his wife; the wife was slaughtered
before her husband's eyes, but he escaped and reported her demise to the
authorities.
On hearing this, a posse was formed, and the matter was considered to be
sufficiently serious for the king himself to lead it. Mr Bean and his brood
were at lunch when the king and his group called, and one look at their
ghastly larder persuaded them that Sawney Bean should be dealt with as
promptly as justice would allow. The Bean family were transported post-haste
to Edinburgh, where, after a short trial, they were burnt en-masse at the
stake, as was the fashion of the times.
The cave is still there should you wish to visit, but I would imagine a good
torch and stout company would be required....
Roger.
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ml...@cix.compulink.co.uk
clchees...@umich.eduNOSPAM (Cheryl) wrote:
> I would be interested in hearing about the Bean Family, if you have the
> inclination.
>
> Cheryl
>
Heinz is probably the most famous member of this family. 8-)
Mike Lynd
Roger Evans
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> >
> > It should be noted that the cat's full name is Graymalk. And I
> > distinctly remember reading somewhere that a graymalkin is a type of
> > cat. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find the reference again.
> >
>
> because the original spelling was graymalkin. And a grimalkin is an old
> female cat. I think that's worth noting on the list, isn't it?
> --
And just to add to that - Graymalk is the name of one of the witches
familiars in Macbeth, Paddock being another, and Harpier the third. (Cat,
hedgehog and some sort of bird I think - I could be wrong though! :))
Roger.
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Roger Evans
"JJM1954" <jjm...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >From: "Roger Evans"
>
> >Having been brought up on tales of Jack the Ripper,
>
Jack
> the Ripper walk hosted by Donald Rumbelow. Quite interesting. It ended
up in
> the pub The Ten Bells, which apparently a number of Jack's victims used to
> frequent. It looked like it.
>
> John Miller
I've often wondered about going on one of those walks. So, would you
recommend it?
Roger.
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Ash Wyllie
>Ash Wyllie wrote:
>>
>> Extracted from the mind of Miraba;
>>
>> >I can't remember if this has been discussed before, so I'll toss it in...
>> >Has anyone compiled a list of the known identities? Considering that this
>> >topic has come up before, it might be helpful in the future.
>>
>> Character Familiar Who Type
>>
>> Jack Snuff-dog Jack the Ripper Fictional?
>> Crazy Jill Gray-cat ??
>I just saw her as a sort of stereotypical witch, the same way I saw
>Talbot as a stereotypical werewolf, not based on a specific character or
>person.
All the other characters are from some movie, so I assume the ones I don't
recognize are also from movies.
>> Morrris&McCabe Nightwind-owl Burke&Hare Factual
>> Rastow Quicklime-snake Raputin Factual
>> Count Needle-bat Movie Dracula Fictional
>> Owen Cheeter-squirrel ??
>He was a druid - a classic bloody pagan. I don't think there was a
>specific person in mind with him either.
But which druid?
>> Larry Talbot Larry Talbot Movie Werewolf Fictional
>> Vicar Roberts Tekela-Raven ??
>This guy didn't stick out as unidentifiable to me as Morris and McCabe,
>but I'm not sure what he is. Sort of a Black Mass type.
I'm fairly sure that with a little work we can come up with a character from a
good B movie.
>> Good Doctor Bubo-rat Dr Frankenstien Fictional
>> Isaac Asimov Factual
>> Great Detective Dr Watson Sherlock Holmes Fictional
>>
Ash Wyllie
>> In article <1172.291T7...@lr.net>, "Ash Wyllie" <as...@lr.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Extracted from the mind of Miraba;
>> >
>> >
>> >Character Familiar Who Type
>> >
>> >Jack Snuff-dog Jack the Ripper Fictional?
>Factual. Although many works of fiction have been based on the Ripper,
>and few details are known about the real Jack the Ripper.
The bodies are certainly factual, but the who is a problem. One person or
more? The Jack in the book is comes from movie portrayals. That makes it it
fictional, IMHO.
tphile
ml...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article <39BFA171...@umich.eduNOSPAM>,
> clchees...@umich.eduNOSPAM (Cheryl) wrote:
>
> > I would be interested in hearing about the Bean Family, if you have the
> > inclination.
> >
> > Cheryl
> >
>
> Heinz is probably the most famous member of this family. 8-)
>
> Mike Lynd
and little Farver Bean goes good with liver and a nice chianti. 8-)
tphile
Dr Nuncheon
Roger Evans <news....@corkursa.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"JJM1954" <jjm...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20000913165412...@ng-cm1.aol.com...
>> >From: "Roger Evans"
>>
>>
>Jack
>> the Ripper walk hosted by Donald Rumbelow. Quite interesting. It ended
>up in
>> the pub The Ten Bells, which apparently a number of Jack's victims used to
>> frequent. It looked like it.
>>
>
>recommend it?
Rumbelow is one of the leading experts on Jack the Ripper, and his walk is
excellent. I'd recommend it highly (and I'll be taking my fiancee when we
head to London for our honeymoon...)
J
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JJM1954
>I've often wondered about going on one of those walks. So, would you
>recommend it?
I've been on a number of them covering a number of different topics (Ghosts,
Jakc the Ripper, Dracula) and the ones I've been on in London, at least were
all excellent (some so-so ones in York), but that may depend on who's giving
them. There are a number of competing companies.
My wife put the brochure of this one someplace -- I know they have a website,
but I'm not sure of their name right now. Could be "Original London Walks," or
something like that. I'll find out from her when she gets home from work.
I would recommend those, certainly. You get to see some really out of the way
spots, and they seem to really know what they're talking about.
John Miller
Ash Wyllie
>Morgan Lewis wrote:
>>
>> > In article <1172.291T7...@lr.net>, "Ash Wyllie"
>> > <as...@lr.net>
>> > >Crazy Jill Gray-cat ??
>>
>> It should be noted that the cat's full name is Graymalk. And I
>> distinctly remember reading somewhere that a graymalkin is a type of
>> cat. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find the reference again.
>>
>GOT IT! The word is "grimalkin", and the reason I was confused is
>because the original spelling was graymalkin. And a grimalkin is an old
>female cat. I think that's worth noting on the list, isn't it?
Maybe I should change the order. Maybe the actual character is Graymalk and
Jill is the familiar.
tphile
Roger Evans wrote:
> "JJM1954" <jjm...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20000913165412...@ng-cm1.aol.com...
> > >From: "Roger Evans"
> >
> > >Having been brought up on tales of Jack the Ripper,
> >
> > Actually just returned from a trip to the UK, and when in London went on a
> Jack
> > the Ripper walk hosted by Donald Rumbelow. Quite interesting. It ended
> up in
> > the pub The Ten Bells, which apparently a number of Jack's victims used to
> > frequent. It looked like it.
> >
> > John Miller
>
> I've often wondered about going on one of those walks. So, would you
> recommend it?
It sounds no different than taking a Tower of London type tour, and taking a
tour
that ends in a Pub can't be all bad.
But I think a person should make themselves familiar with Ripper Lore first,
because
you will be the great detective in your head when you view the scene of the
crime.
Just as you would if you came to Dallas to look at the grassy knoll. ;-)
tphile
Patrick Hulman
>
>>> Vicar Roberts Tekela-Raven ??
>
>>This guy didn't stick out as unidentifiable to me as Morris and McCabe,
>>but I'm not sure what he is. Sort of a Black Mass type.
>
>I'm fairly sure that with a little work we can come up with a character from a
>good B movie.
Maybe it's the raven but for some reason I always assoicated the character as
one from a Poe book, but I can't remember which one.
patrick
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than a general type, but I suspect if there's a specific Movie reference
it's in the old black and white Universal era, as I seem to remember
a model kit series with the old witch as one of the number, and the
Karloff
Frankenstein's monster and the Larry Talbot wolfman in the same
series.
I just dug up (pun intended) the Vincent Price version of "The
Raven",
looking for characters or actors with "Roberts" in their name or
somthing
similar, just to check this, but nothing special seemed to connect
the film adaptation, other than it being a comedy, which I guess
also fits ANITLO.
The vicar/diabolist, for some reason, makes me think of Alastair
Crowley's novel, Moonchild, but I don't have a copy on hand to check.
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Ash Wyllie
>I don't see any reason why Crazy-Jill has to be a specific witch, rather
>than a general type, but I suspect if there's a specific Movie reference
>it's in the old black and white Universal era, as I seem to remember
>a model kit series with the old witch as one of the number, and the
>Karloff
>Frankenstein's monster and the Larry Talbot wolfman in the same
>series.
> I just dug up (pun intended) the Vincent Price version of "The
>Raven",
>looking for characters or actors with "Roberts" in their name or
>somthing
>similar, just to check this, but nothing special seemed to connect
>the film adaptation, other than it being a comedy, which I guess
>also fits ANITLO.
> The vicar/diabolist, for some reason, makes me think of Alastair
>Crowley's novel, Moonchild, but I don't have a copy on hand to check.
>--
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>"Patrick Hulman" <phu...@nospambellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:%9ew5.8880$Zk.5...@news3.atl...
>| In article <2000.291T22...@lr.net>, as...@lr.net says...
>| >
>| >>> Vicar Roberts Tekela-Raven ??
>| >
>| >>This guy didn't stick out as unidentifiable to me as Morris and
>McCabe,
>| >>but I'm not sure what he is. Sort of a Black Mass type.
>| >
>| >I'm fairly sure that with a little work we can come up with a
>character from a
>| >good B movie.
>|
>| Maybe it's the raven but for some reason I always assoicated the
>character as
>| one from a Poe book, but I can't remember which one.
>|
>| patrick
>|
Take a look at http://zelazny.corrupt.net/night.html and
http://www.vampireathenaeum.org/z.html for some ideas. Tekela seems to be a
language of some sort. But it looks to me like it sounds like a type of
liquor. I wonder if that is signifigant?
Scott Zrubek
wrote:
>Extracted from the mind of Mark Henry;
>
>
>>I don't see any reason why Crazy-Jill has to be a specific witch, rather
>>than a general type, but I suspect if there's a specific Movie reference
>>it's in the old black and white Universal era, as I seem to remember
>>a model kit series with the old witch as one of the number, and the
>>Karloff
>>Frankenstein's monster and the Larry Talbot wolfman in the same
>>series.
>> I just dug up (pun intended) the Vincent Price version of "The
>>Raven",
>>looking for characters or actors with "Roberts" in their name or
>>somthing
>>similar, just to check this, but nothing special seemed to connect
>>the film adaptation, other than it being a comedy, which I guess
>>also fits ANITLO.
>> The vicar/diabolist, for some reason, makes me think of Alastair
>>Crowley's novel, Moonchild, but I don't have a copy on hand to check.
>
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>>"Patrick Hulman" <phu...@nospambellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>news:%9ew5.8880$Zk.5...@news3.atl...
>>| In article <2000.291T22...@lr.net>, as...@lr.net says...
>>| >
>>| >>> Vicar Roberts Tekela-Raven ??
>>| >
>>| >>This guy didn't stick out as unidentifiable to me as Morris and
>>McCabe,
>>| >>but I'm not sure what he is. Sort of a Black Mass type.
>>| >
>>| >I'm fairly sure that with a little work we can come up with a
>>character from a
>>| >good B movie.
>>|
>>| Maybe it's the raven but for some reason I always assoicated the
>>character as
>>| one from a Poe book, but I can't remember which one.
>>|
>>| patrick
>>|
>
>Take a look at http://zelazny.corrupt.net/night.html and
>http://www.vampireathenaeum.org/z.html for some ideas. Tekela seems to be a
>language of some sort. But it looks to me like it sounds like a type of
>liquor. I wonder if that is signifigant?
>
>
>
>
>
> -ash
> for assistance dial MYCROFTXXX
>
I'd guess that Tekela = Tequila. Maybe a reference to "Tequila
Mockingbird" = " To Kill a Mockingbird"?
bob sullivan
> I'd guess that Tekela = Tequila. Maybe a reference to "Tequila
> Mockingbird" = " To Kill a Mockingbird"?
Ouch... Never picked up on that pun.
~bob
Scott Zrubek
<bsul...@home.com> wrote:
That's ewhat I've always thought of, whether it's supported by the text,
or something that I've inferred..... I guess I'd better re-read the
book. Darn.
Hmmm. Maybe I'll do a reading of ANOTILO at WFC in the Con Suite.
Mark Henry
1. "Night in the Lonesome" has some of H.P. Lovecraft's old ones
2. Lovecraft also wrote "At the mountains of Madness"
3. In it, he put giant albino penguins in Antarctica, and had them
echo the cry "Tekele-le", and this was something he took from an
Edgar Allen Poe story, and stuck in as a tribute to the old master,
as HPL acknowledged in letters to friends.
4. Poe, of course, is also famed for the Raven (much more famed
than he is for stories about penguins with strange cries, as witness
that I can't think of the name of that one).
Naahh!, too far fetched, I like the Tequila Mockingbird pun better.
I can't believe I missed that and thought of the other instead.
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"Scott Zrubek" <sco...@itmm.com> wrote in message
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Morgan Lewis
>
> Scott Zrubek wrote:
> > I'd guess that Tekela = Tequila. Maybe a reference to "Tequila
> > Mockingbird" = " To Kill a Mockingbird"?
>
> Ouch... Never picked up on that pun.
>
> ~bob
There may not be one; after all, Tekela's a raven, not a mockingbird.
The similar (possible) pronunciation may be a coincidence.
JCromerJr
<ms.h...@mindspring.com> writes:
>Here's a really wierd thought, probably too wierd.
>1. "Night in the Lonesome" has some of H.P. Lovecraft's old ones
>2. Lovecraft also wrote "At the mountains of Madness"
>3. In it, he put giant albino penguins in Antarctica, and had them
>echo the cry "Tekele-le", and this was something he took from an
>Edgar Allen Poe story, and stuck in as a tribute to the old master,
>as HPL acknowledged in letters to friends.
>4. Poe, of course, is also famed for the Raven (much more famed
>than he is for stories about penguins with strange cries, as witness
>that I can't think of the name of that one).
That was from the "Narrative of A. Gordon Pym." "Many gigantic
and pallidly white birds flew continously now from beyond the veil,
and their scream was the eternal /Tekeli-li!/ as they retreated from
our vision."
Time to read ANitLO again? Oh, the pain... :)
--
Jake Cromer
Give a hobbit a fish, and he'll eat for a day.
Turn a hobbit invisible, and he'll eat fish for a lifetime.
Kanan
wrote:
>In article <39C39836...@home.com>, bob sullivan
><bsul...@home.com> wrote:
>
>>Scott Zrubek wrote:
>>> I'd guess that Tekela = Tequila. Maybe a reference to "Tequila
>>> Mockingbird" = " To Kill a Mockingbird"?
>>
>>Ouch... Never picked up on that pun.
>>
>>~bob
>
>That's ewhat I've always thought of, whether it's supported by the text,
>or something that I've inferred..... I guess I'd better re-read the
>book. Darn.
>
>Hmmm. Maybe I'll do a reading of ANOTILO at WFC in the Con Suite.
The only reason I ever picked up on the pronunciation bit was bcs of
how he pronounced it in the audio book he did of it.
Kanan
Robyn, Duke of Amber
> > >Crazy Jill Gray-cat ??
>
> It should be noted that the cat's full name is Graymalk. And I
> distinctly remember reading somewhere that a graymalkin is a type of
> cat. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find the reference again.
>
There WAS a witch named Gilly Dunkan (Jilly?) In 1590-92 Who was tortured
as a witch in Scottland and of course named others.
Grey shows up in Macbeth (possibly the "Scottish link" here.
Witch trials....Standard name of famailiar....
Oddly enough not one in the "top 10" so to speak on the frontpiece of
"Mathyew Hopkins (witchfinder general) 's "Discoverie of Witches"
these were: Holt, Ilemauzar, Pyewackett, Poke (?Peke?) in th Crowne,
Jarmara, Griezzell Greedigutt, Sake & Sugar, Newes
and lst but not least Vinegar Tom.
also Gill and Jack or Robin and Sathan, Bes, Prick-ears and Flo
> > >Larry Talbot Larry Talbot Movie Werewolf Fictional
>
> Most precisely, the werewolf from the movie "The Wolf Man", whose name
> was actually Larry Talbot.
Well that makes sense....
the only Talbot I know is the ne who burnt Joan of Arc. (John Talbot)
Neil
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Robyn, Duke of Amber
I seem to remember an "evil clergyman" (with respects to H.P.Lovecraft)
who shows up in an old Hammer film which was most likely a Poe film.
Neil
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Patrick Hulman wrote:
> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:36:11 GMT
> From: Patrick Hulman <phu...@nospambellsouth.net>
> Newsgroups: alt.books.roger-zelazny
> Subject: Re: Who's Who in aNitLO (was Morris and McCabe?)
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Robyn, Duke of Amber
Good Lord! this almost makes my "Evil Clergyman" statement in my last post
make sense.
N.
On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Mark Henry wrote:
> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:37:42 -0400
> From: Mark Henry <ms.h...@mindspring.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.books.roger-zelazny
> Subject: Re: Who's Who in aNitLO (was Morris and McCabe?)
>
> Here's a really wierd thought, probably too wierd.
> 1. "Night in the Lonesome" has some of H.P. Lovecraft's old ones
> 2. Lovecraft also wrote "At the mountains of Madness"
> 3. In it, he put giant albino penguins in Antarctica, and had them
> echo the cry "Tekele-le", and this was something he took from an
> Edgar Allen Poe story, and stuck in as a tribute to the old master,
> as HPL acknowledged in letters to friends.
> 4. Poe, of course, is also famed for the Raven (much more famed
> than he is for stories about penguins with strange cries, as witness
> that I can't think of the name of that one).
>
> Naahh!, too far fetched, I like the Tequila Mockingbird pun better.
> I can't believe I missed that and thought of the other instead.
>
> --
> -M-S-Henry-
> "Scott Zrubek" <sco...@itmm.com> wrote in message
> news:scottz-D9BE49....@news.swbell.net...
> | In article <39C39836...@home.com>, bob sullivan
> | <bsul...@home.com> wrote:
> |
> | >Scott Zrubek wrote:
> | >> I'd guess that Tekela = Tequila. Maybe a reference to "Tequila
> | >> Mockingbird" = " To Kill a Mockingbird"?
> | >
> | >Ouch... Never picked up on that pun.
> | >
> | >~bob
> |
> | That's ewhat I've always thought of, whether it's supported by the
> text,
> | or something that I've inferred..... I guess I'd better re-read the
> | book. Darn.
> |
> | Hmmm. Maybe I'll do a reading of ANOTILO at WFC in the Con Suite.
> |
> | --
> | Scott Zrubek
> | WFC 2000 in Corpus Christi http://2000.worldfantasy.org
> | ConCancun for WorldCon in 2003
> http://world.std.com/~sbarsky/concancun.html
> | Zelazny & Amber: http://www.roger-zelazny.com
>
>
>
>
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Ash Wyllie
>I seem to remember an "evil clergyman" (with respects to H.P.Lovecraft)
>who shows up in an old Hammer film which was most likely a Poe film.
>
>Neil
I'm sure that all the characters in the book will turn out to from B&W horror
movies.
Is there a newsgroup for horror movies that we could cross post to for
answers?
ASCII Skull
to pass that "Robyn, Duke of Amber" <sera...@sentex.net> spaketh
thus:
>Good Lord! this almost makes my "Evil Clergyman" statement in my last post
>make sense.
makes sense to me, since there was an HP lovecraft story titled "The
Evil Clergyman" written in 1937. And I think that Tekeli-li and
tequila might both have to do with it...
Too bad the raven didn't convince Needle the bat to get drunk on the
fallen fruit...:)
and zelazny makes a million HPL references in the book... the stones,
the elder gods, the thing in the steamer chest & the thing in the
mirror...
-jim
"Damn it Jim- I'm a corpse, not a doctor!"
Disciple to GO Birds
Not quite God... of... Ellipsis...
My Stories & Art page:
http://fromage.home.pipeline.com
ASCII Skull
Frankenstien, to be the good doctor... no evedence whatsoever, but it
is pretty amusing... at least if you've been up for 72 hours and just
had a gigantic meal and are feeling groggy and eaasily amused...
Ash Wyllie
>I remember someone in the group propose Isaac Asimov, not
>Frankenstien, to be the good doctor... no evedence whatsoever, but it
>is pretty amusing... at least if you've been up for 72 hours and just
>had a gigantic meal and are feeling groggy and eaasily amused...
I suggested Asimov because it is humorous.
Ash Wyllie
>Once upon a time (Sat, 23 Sep 2000 05:18:32 -0400, actually), it came
>to pass that "Robyn, Duke of Amber" <sera...@sentex.net> spaketh
>thus:
>>Good Lord! this almost makes my "Evil Clergyman" statement in my last post
>>make sense.
>makes sense to me, since there was an HP lovecraft story titled "The
>Evil Clergyman" written in 1937. And I think that Tekeli-li and
>tequila might both have to do with it...
>Too bad the raven didn't convince Needle the bat to get drunk on the
>fallen fruit...:)
A quick net search could not turn up turn up the story. Can you tell me where
I could find a copy?
>and zelazny makes a million HPL references in the book... the stones,
>the elder gods, the thing in the steamer chest & the thing in the
>mirror...
The background is Lovecraftian, but as far as I can tell the characters are
from black&white b-movies.
Mark Henry
B&W movies, but some of the "deities" and settings
surely count as HPL.
Here's two thoughts:
1. Some of the characters are definitely from the
Universal Pictures B&W horror flicks, i.e. the Larry Talbot
character. I haven't noticed any definite ties to the Hammer
Horror flicks yet, but of course some of the Hammer films
used the same characters, I.e. the Count.
I can tie at least 7 characters to universal films: The Count,
Jack, The good Dr., The Big Guy who hugs cats too tight,
The great detective and his companion, and Larry.
I'm pretty certain Universal also did horror films with a young/
old witch and a melancoly russian with mystic tendencies, but
I can't absolutely swear to those two being in B&W universal
films.
So, it would be interesting to establish if all the openers and
closers can be linked to B&W pictures, or particularly to
universal films.
2. The B&W universal flicks also included "The Mummy", and
"The Creature from the Black Lagoon". Add to this,
"Abbot and Costello meet the mummy", "A & C meet Frankenstein"
, etc.
Hey, you don't think Morris and McCabe might be dark versions
of Abbot and Costello?
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"Ash Wyllie" <as...@lr.net> wrote in message
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| Extracted from the mind of ASCII Skull;
|
|
| >Once upon a time (Sat, 23 Sep 2000 05:18:32 -0400, actually), it came
| >to pass that "Robyn, Duke of Amber" <sera...@sentex.net> spaketh
| >thus:
|
| >>Good Lord! this almost makes my "Evil Clergyman" statement in my
last post
| >>make sense.
|
| >makes sense to me, since there was an HP lovecraft story titled "The
| >Evil Clergyman" written in 1937. And I think that Tekeli-li and
| >tequila might both have to do with it...
| >Too bad the raven didn't convince Needle the bat to get drunk on the
| >fallen fruit...:)
|
| A quick net search could not turn up turn up the story. Can you tell
me where
| I could find a copy?
|
| >and zelazny makes a million HPL references in the book... the
stones,
| >the elder gods, the thing in the steamer chest & the thing in the
| >mirror...
|
John Hurst
<ms.h...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>The Openers and Closers all seem to be from
>B&W movies, but some of the "deities" and settings
>surely count as HPL.
The elder gods certainly, and the excursion into the dreamlands is
HPL. And the conflict between the openers and closers smacks of the
attempts to rouse Cthulhu.
>| >Once upon a time (Sat, 23 Sep 2000 05:18:32 -0400, actually), it came
>| >to pass that "Robyn, Duke of Amber" <sera...@sentex.net> spaketh
>| >thus:
>|
>| >>Good Lord! this almost makes my "Evil Clergyman" statement in my
>last post
>| >>make sense.
>|
>| >makes sense to me, since there was an HP lovecraft story titled "The
>| >Evil Clergyman" written in 1937. And I think that Tekeli-li and
>| >tequila might both have to do with it...
>| >Too bad the raven didn't convince Needle the bat to get drunk on the
>| >fallen fruit...:)
>|
>| A quick net search could not turn up turn up the story. Can you tell
>me where
>| I could find a copy?
>|
>| >and zelazny makes a million HPL references in the book... the
>stones,
>| >the elder gods, the thing in the steamer chest & the thing in the
>| >mirror...
>|
ASCII Skull
pass that "Ash Wyllie" <as...@lr.net> spaketh thus:
>>>Good Lord! this almost makes my "Evil Clergyman" statement in my last post
>>>make sense.
>>makes sense to me, since there was an HP lovecraft story titled "The
>>Evil Clergyman" written in 1937. And I think that Tekeli-li and
>>tequila might both have to do with it...
>I could find a copy?
Sure. It's included in the 'THE TOMB' collection from Del Rey.
>The background is Lovecraftian, but as far as I can tell the characters are
>from black&white b-movies.
yup, that's what it looks like...
not just b-movies or even horror... the great detective & the monk...
Ash Wyllie
>The Openers and Closers all seem to be from
>B&W movies, but some of the "deities" and settings
>surely count as HPL.
>Here's two thoughts:
>1. Some of the characters are definitely from the
>Universal Pictures B&W horror flicks, i.e. the Larry Talbot
>character. I haven't noticed any definite ties to the Hammer
>Horror flicks yet, but of course some of the Hammer films
>used the same characters, I.e. the Count.
>I can tie at least 7 characters to universal films: The Count,
>Jack, The good Dr., The Big Guy who hugs cats too tight,
>The great detective and his companion, and Larry.
>I'm pretty certain Universal also did horror films with a young/
>old witch and a melancoly russian with mystic tendencies, but
>I can't absolutely swear to those two being in B&W universal
> films.
The characters that remain unidentified are Crazy Jill and Owens.
>So, it would be interesting to establish if all the openers and
>closers can be linked to B&W pictures, or particularly to
>universal films.
>2. The B&W universal flicks also included "The Mummy", and
>"The Creature from the Black Lagoon". Add to this,
>"Abbot and Costello meet the mummy", "A & C meet Frankenstein"
>, etc.
>Hey, you don't think Morris and McCabe might be dark versions
>of Abbot and Costello?
It's bad enough that I tried to slip Isaac in. We don't need any more
ringers :). But a list of alternates might be fun.
Ash Wyllie
>Once upon a time (Sun, 08 Oct 2000 12:40:45 GMT, actually), it came to
>pass that "Ash Wyllie" <as...@lr.net> spaketh thus:
>>>>Good Lord! this almost makes my "Evil Clergyman" statement in my last post
>>>>make sense.
>>>makes sense to me, since there was an HP lovecraft story titled "The
>>>Evil Clergyman" written in 1937. And I think that Tekeli-li and
>>>tequila might both have to do with it...
>>A quick net search could not turn up turn up the story. Can you tell me
>>where I could find a copy?
>Sure. It's included in the 'THE TOMB' collection from Del Rey.
I'll look for it.
>>The background is Lovecraftian, but as far as I can tell the characters are
>>from black&white b-movies.
>yup, that's what it looks like...
>not just b-movies or even horror... the great detective & the monk...
I'm not sure that you can put all those Basil Rathbone(sp?) in the high budget
a-list set of movies :).
The monk is Rasputin, the mad Russian monk who turns up from time to time in
the movies. But does he show up in a bad b&w movie?
Is there a newsgroup that is devoted to old movies that we could cross post
to?
cyntogia
it. Unless you liked the old night stalker series. I could just see Carl
Kolchiak wandering around behind us in the dark.
tphile wrote in message <39C12B39...@texoma.net>...
ASCII Skull
>the movies. But does he show up in a bad b&w movie?
I know, I think he has... or if not him, then people modelled after
him...
ASCII Skull
The name Jill might not be the original... there is the last line of
the book...
Mark Henry
to the Universal black and whites for ALL the openers and closers to
be accounted for:
Morris and McCabe
Crazy Jill
Owen
The Mad Monk
I'm pretty confident that Jill anf Monk can be linked to Universal Films
titles, but I don't have the actual titles in hand. I'm less confident
that
Owen the Druid and Morris and McCabe can be tied to specific films.
Still, when seven or so characters out of 11 or so fit a particular
pattern,
it's tempting to think they all do.
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"ASCII Skull" <fro...@pipeline.com> wrote in message
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| Once upon a time (Mon, 09 Oct 2000 21:45:55 GMT, actually), it came to
| pass that "Ash Wyllie" <as...@lr.net> spaketh thus:
| >The monk is Rasputin, the mad Russian monk who turns up from time to
time in
| >the movies. But does he show up in a bad b&w movie?
|
| I know, I think he has... or if not him, then people modelled after
| him...
Ash Wyllie
>Once upon a time (Mon, 09 Oct 2000 21:45:57 GMT, actually), it came to
>pass that "Ash Wyllie" <as...@lr.net> spaketh thus:
>>The characters that remain unidentified are Crazy Jill and Owens.
>The name Jill might not be the original... there is the last line of
>the book...
True. Do you think Zelazny changed milieus on us at the end?
Ash Wyllie
>By my count, there needs to be only about four sets of characters linked
>to the Universal black and whites for ALL the openers and closers to
>be accounted for:
>Morris and McCabe
M&M are based on real people, and I am sure that I have seen a b&w movie with
a pair of grave robbers.
>Crazy Jill
>Owen
Strikes me as being the hardest to find. Witches are a dime a dozen after all.
But druids don't work well without color.
>The Mad Monk
>I'm pretty confident that Jill anf Monk can be linked to Universal Films
>titles, but I don't have the actual titles in hand. I'm less confident
>that
>Owen the Druid and Morris and McCabe can be tied to specific films.
>Still, when seven or so characters out of 11 or so fit a particular
>pattern,
>it's tempting to think they all do.
-ash
for assistance dial MYCROFTXXX
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|
| >Owen
|
| Strikes me as being the hardest to find. Witches are a dime a dozen
after all.
| But druids don't work well without color.
|
Ash Wyllie
What's a druid without blue paint?
Mark Henry
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cyntogia
the last line in the book is awsome for it. As for as morris and McCabe
maybe they are a play on words as well.
JCromerJr
<cynt...@swbell.net> writes:
Mortis and Macabre? Maybe "Morris" (the dance) and Macabre?
--
Jake Cromer
ASCII Skull
that jcro...@aol.com.fhtagn (JCromerJr) spaketh thus:
I like that... Sounds promising...
Cheryl
Morris the dance??? this one is new to me. Sounds nice though
Scott Zrubek
<clchees...@umich.eduNOSPAM> wrote:
>Morris the dance??? this one is new to me. Sounds nice though
Dancing with Death?
JCromerJr
>Morris the dance??? this one is new to me. Sounds nice though
'Morris dancing' is an English folk dance. I don't know if I would
want to see a Morris Dance Macabre, though. It would probably
be bloody silly.
--
Jake Cromer
ml...@cix.compulink.co.uk
jcro...@aol.com.fhtagn (JCromerJr) wrote:
I love the mental image that that creates! Morris dancers are English
folk dancers who wear white embroidered shirts, black breeches, white
hose, bells around their calves and decorated hats, together normally with
florally embroidered waistcoats and one or more cross sashes. They are
traditional male and dance at summer fairs and outside pubs, for beer.
The dancing frequently involves the ritual clashing of sticks. The only
damage normally inflicted is the accidental squashing of thumbs!
best wishes,
Mike Lynd
Cheryl
Scott Zrubek wrote:
>
> In article <39E5F39A...@umich.eduNOSPAM>, Cheryl
> <clchees...@umich.eduNOSPAM> wrote:
> >Morris the dance??? this one is new to me. Sounds nice though
>
> Dancing with Death?
oh-oh, no I was thinking of something else... a little more romatic...
ASCII Skull
that ml...@cix.compulink.co.uk spaketh thus:
>> 'Morris dancing' is an English folk dance. I don't know if I would
>> want to see a Morris Dance Macabre, though. It would probably
>> be bloody silly.
but it would make for good character names, unlike, say, Cha-Cha &
McCabe...:)
Chris Brown
ml...@cix.compulink.co.uk writes
>> want to see a Morris Dance Macabre, though. It would probably
>> be bloody silly.
>>
>folk dancers who wear white embroidered shirts, black breeches, white
>hose, bells around their calves and decorated hats, together normally with
>florally embroidered waistcoats and one or more cross sashes. They are
>traditional male and dance at summer fairs and outside pubs, for beer.
>The dancing frequently involves the ritual clashing of sticks. The only
>damage normally inflicted is the accidental squashing of thumbs!
Not "our" author, but the concept has come up more than once in the
Discworld novels of Pterry Pratchett. From "Soul Music":
"It is danced innocently... ...and ruthlessly buy such as the Ninja
Morris men of New Ankh, who can do strange and terrible things with a
simple handkerchief and a bell."
"Lords and Ladies" back cover: "With full supporting cast of dwarfs,
wizards, trolls, Morris dancers and one orang-utan. And lots of Hey-
nonny-nonny and blood all over the place."
(beware one American edition of the latter book, where the blurb
mistakes the Morris dancers for a football team!)
--
CB
Morgan Lewis
>
> In article <8s6ihq$jje$1...@plutonium.compulink.co.uk>,
> ml...@cix.compulink.co.uk writes
> >In article <20001012221900...@nso-co.aol.com>,
> >jcro...@aol.com.fhtagn (JCromerJr) wrote:
> >
> >> would want to see a Morris Dance Macabre, though. It would
> >> probably be bloody silly.
> >>
> >English folk dancers who wear white embroidered shirts, black
> >breeches, white hose, bells around their calves and decorated hats,
> >together normally with florally embroidered waistcoats and one or
> >more cross sashes. They are traditional male and dance at summer
> >fairs and outside pubs, for beer. The dancing frequently involves
> >the ritual clashing of sticks. The only damage normally inflicted
> >is the accidental squashing of thumbs!
>
> Not "our" author, but the concept has come up more than once in the
> Discworld novels of Pterry Pratchett. From "Soul Music":
> "It is danced innocently... ...and ruthlessly buy such as the Ninja
> Morris men of New Ankh, who can do strange and terrible things with a
> simple handkerchief and a bell."
>
> "Lords and Ladies" back cover: "With full supporting cast of dwarfs,
> wizards, trolls, Morris dancers and one orang-utan. And lots of Hey-
> nonny-nonny and blood all over the place."
>
> (beware one American edition of the latter book, where the blurb
> mistakes the Morris dancers for a football team!)
> --
> CB
And, more pertinent to the Morris Dance Macabre, his book Reaper Man.
Towards the beginning of the book, it is mentioned that only the people
of Lancre know the real meaning of the Morris; and at Springtime they do
a Morris dance to celebrate life, only once. Towards the end of the
book, it mentions that as the days grow shorter, they bring out the
"other costume," the one with silent bells, and dance the "other dance",
for the balance of things.
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The Eclectic Quotes Page: http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~mlewis/
cyntogia
\Wow I didnt realize that by not saying everything people would pick up
my train of thought and explain it better than I could........weird but
right on the money
Chris Brown
writes
>Chris Brown wrote:
>>
>
>And, more pertinent to the Morris Dance Macabre, his book Reaper Man.
>Towards the beginning of the book, it is mentioned that only the people
>of Lancre know the real meaning of the Morris; and at Springtime they do
>a Morris dance to celebrate life, only once. Towards the end of the
>book, it mentions that as the days grow shorter, they bring out the
>"other costume," the one with silent bells, and dance the "other dance",
>for the balance of things.
>
Dance of Life, Dance of Death.
I had that one down as well, but wasn't sure how big a foreign quote to
introduce here... The dance gets very bloody if not macabre in Lords
And Ladies.
--
CB
ml...@cix.compulink.co.uk
ch...@x-track.demon.co.uk (Chris Brown) wrote:
>
> (beware one American edition of the latter book, where the blurb
> mistakes the Morris dancers for a football team!)
> --
> CB
A bit off-topic but the US Pratchetts also seem to have been edited for
political correctness purposes - wherein the US editions, for example, is
the legendary hero Cohen the Barbarian?
best wishes,
Mike Lynd
Chris Brown
ml...@cix.compulink.co.uk writes
No Cohen in America? But he's essential! I may have to take this to
another group...
"alt.fan.pratchett has the attention span of a butterfly on cocaine."
Terry Pratchett.
--
CB
Dr Nuncheon
<ml...@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <LomW2OAW...@x-track.demon.co.uk>,
>ch...@x-track.demon.co.uk (Chris Brown) wrote:
>>
>> (beware one American edition of the latter book, where the blurb
>> mistakes the Morris dancers for a football team!)
>
>political correctness purposes - wherein the US editions, for example, is
>the legendary hero Cohen the Barbarian?
All through _Interesting Times_, for one. Mentioned in _Sourcery_ as
Conina's father. I seem to recall having the UK editions of CoM and TLF,
so I couldn't tell you there, but Cohen is most assuredly in the US
editions of the books. Perhaps you were misremembering the ones he was
in?
J
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Morgan Lewis
>
> In article <LomW2OAW...@x-track.demon.co.uk>,
> ch...@x-track.demon.co.uk (Chris Brown) wrote:
>
> >
> > (beware one American edition of the latter book, where the blurb
> > mistakes the Morris dancers for a football team!)
> > CB
>
> A bit off-topic but the US Pratchetts also seem to have been edited
> for political correctness purposes - wherein the US editions, for
> example, is the legendary hero Cohen the Barbarian?
>
>
> Mike Lynd
This *is* wandering a bit off-topic (though that's not surprising, in
this case), but in the US editions, Cohen is exactly where he was in the
UK editions -- in The Light Fantastic and Interesting Times. (I have
the US ed. of IT, and he's definitely there; and the cover for the US
ed. of TLF specifically mentions him.) Incidentally, he is also going
to feature largely in Pratchett's upcoming _The Last Hero_, which will
be released after _The Truth_ (1st week of Nov.) and _The Thief of Time_
(Spring 2001).