alt.books.raymond-feist Netiquette
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2-1. Q: What is netiquette?
A: Netiquette is a derivative term of combining the words
Network and etiquette in to one. The definition is the proper behavior
that one is to act on the network. However knowing the definition
doesn’t help understand what one should and shouldn’t do on the
Internet. Being polite is a good start and remembering not everyone
can speak or write in you preferred language fluently.
Related Topics:
What are the standard rules of UseNet?
Hey wait, what are the rules of posting to the Raymond E. Feist
Mailing-list?
What is abrf’s (alt.books.raymond-feist) posting format and conduct?
2-2. Q: What are the standard rules of UseNet?
A: The standard rules of UseNet are that there are no rules or
better yet the rules change dependent on the people who post there.
Despite that fact there is a sort of code or etiquette of how one
should post to a Newsgroup. Certain “rules” are more powerful or take
precedence over others, so following or breaking certain ones might be
more important dependent upon the newsgroup.
1. The society of UseNet creates these rules based on community
behaviors.
2. Follow the proper netiquette defined by the newsgroup’s
participants usually found in that newsgroups FAQ.
3. Post related topics to the appropriate newsgroup using the
newsgroups title, as the topic controller. Some newsgroups are text
only while others are binaries only.
4. Don’t abuse or misuse the UseNet system, or violate the societies
behaviors. Don’t upload malicious programs or more content than the
system can handle and don’t use the system to break international
civil and criminal laws.
Related Topics:
What is UseNet?
Why should I maintain the proper posting format or conduct for the
group?
How much should I post, and what can I post?
Where can I post Binaries?
What is Conserving Bandwidth?
2-3. Q: Should I trust everyone or should I trust you?
A: Trust no one Fox Mulder. Now does this means you should
trust me? To be honest, Yes don’t trust me either. Unless I’m tricking
you into not trusting me which is what I want so you should and so on.
Lets not entertain this round about thought. Suffice to say, that you
shouldn’t believe everything I say or have written as fact and truth.
I could be wrong or grossly misinformed on several things. So to save
yourself from my errors you should also look else where as to
solidifying your knowledge. But you also must keep in mind, is you
source educated in the area that they are talking about? Asking the US
Congress on how a computer works and access the Internet would be the
wrong source. Asking a well-educated network engineer would be a more
intelligent choice.
2-4. Q: Why should I maintain the proper posting format or conduct
for the group?
A: A simple understanding is how societies work. UseNet is a
society of (lack of a better term) Internet savvy or power users. Not
everyone knows about UseNet, the mere fact that your reading this FAQ
about it gives you a leg up on those who regularly use America On-Line
(AOLers) and those who think the Internet is just e-mail, web-pages,
and Kazaa. This concept alone places you in a social group that uses
UseNet to conduct your social grouping function in. So in this social
group (society) you are to treat, talk and behave in a certain
accepted standard. In other words, when you are with your co-workers
you don’t treat them like relatives, friends, or loved ones
(significant other). You treat and talk to them as co-workers.
Now UseNet does offer some unique aspects, and certain steps should be
taken so that an individual can intake the information they are
seeking, or wish to accept. As there is too much information to
consume in one day of normal UseNet activity. So some people set up
ever changing guidelines to help those understand what is the social
acceptance of conduct that everyone should follow.
2-5. Q: How much should I post, and what can I post?
A: Since general Internet activity is on the rise, the
allotted bandwidth (the amount of data the can flow through a channel
or line) is limited. Meaning resources are overtaxed and becoming
obsolete faster that it can be made. So time to get data is slower and
you could miss the stuff that you would have liked to view or
download. So posting or uploading as little as possible will free up
space.
Posting to a newsgroup about Metallica’s next concert in a forum that
says it’s dedicated to car.ford.sales is an obvious bad choice. Most
people will say that’s [OT] Off Topic and you just wont get the
response that you where aiming for. However posting to the newsgroup
rec.metallica.band or rec.music.concert will get lots of responces.
As this newsgroup abrf (alt.books.raymond-feist) is about the author
Raymond E Feist books. Your topics should center on to his books or
about him. You can mention other authors but it better be Feist
related like his co-author a book with them or working with them.
Another thing is Raymond will participant in the general discussions,
which is really cool because it’s almost like talking to him in
person. He answer questions about his books, especial if you where
confused on something and loves to talk about vintage wines.
Related Topics:
What is Retention?
Why can’t I talk about PC/OS or Religion in this group?
Why is everyone on the Mailing-list and abrf act like jerks?
I got this great joke/chain message. Can I post it here as well?
2-6. Q: Can I sending repeat messages or cross-posting?
A: Don’t send repeat messages or cross-posting the same
message to other groups. This activity slows down the system and can
bother some people. Plus taxing or bogging down the system will hurt
you the user in the end.
If you think your message hasn’t been sent, please wait a good hour or
two as the Internet can be slow. Or in the case of UseNet, it might
take time for you to see your message.
2-7. Q: Do I have to be brief in my posts?
A: Try to be brief, often hard to do especially when your
point is a little far for people to grasp. So keep you explanation
brief but state your point. Keep in mind the longer your article the
less likely people will be willing to read it or have time to read it.
2-8. Q: What should I quote, and why should it be short?
A: You should quote only what you directly responding to. A
good example is answering someone’s question and you quote the
question before you type in your answer. Keeping your quotes short is
very helpful in lowering the amount for the reader.
Also keep in mind responding to someone’s ‘none question’ is bordering
on flaming or a flame war against the author of the original message.
So be careful of what you’re typing. If you’re correcting the person
because your knowledge base says differently, you’re bordering on a
personal opinion, which is dangerous territory.
Programs like Forte Agent make reading newsgroups or mass e-mail
(Mailing List) an ease by organizing the responded messages under the
original message if you choose to have it do so. I highly recommend
Agent, or its shareware equivalent Free Agent. But other programs or
systems are not that easy to use.
Related Topics:
What’s quoting a quote?
I don’t want to offend the original author, what do I do to make their
message smaller but being polite about it?
Should I post on the top or bottom of a quoted response?
What is Conserving Bandwidth?
2-9. Q: What’s quoting a quote?
A: NEVER quote a quote. Doing this behavior makes your
messages twice to nine times longer. Especial if you post on the
bottom, that means the reader will have to scroll all the way down to
the bottom to read your two-line post. How annoying and you quickly
ruined your creditability. So make sure you use the delete key on your
keyboard and when in doubt, delete. Less is best, be brief.
2-10. Q: I don’t want to offend the original author, what do I do to
make their message smaller but being polite about it?
A: Great question and concern. You never want to offend people
because they maybe future employees/employers or relatives/loved ones.
The polite way to remove parts of the previous message without
misleading the reader is to use the <snip> symbol. Either above the
quote or below or in both places to indicate there was more.
Now if you want to do a word change, use these [] brackets to indicate
word changes you made to the original. Like say if the author listed a
bunch of REF character names and for the sack of space you want to
swap out all their names to a general they. Then use “[They] where all
in Krondor when James arrived, but where was Peter?” when quoting
their original message. Be careful as some people might take offense
to certain word changes and can call you the spelling/grammar police.
2-11. Q: Should I post on the top or bottom of a quoted response?
A: Post on the bottom, this allows the reader to read or
review the quoted material to get the idea of what your response is
going to be concerned with. But keep in mind the reader will have to
scroll though the whole quote. If its to long then the reader will
skip it, be annoyed with and less sympathetic for you, or completely
ignore the message. Which doesn’t bold well for you, as your intent
was to provide some information for other readers.
So presentation helps in writing to your audience.
2-12. Q: Should I use Sarcasm and satire?
A: Avoid using humor or sarcasm in your post. Often time’s
people don’t see it or understand it even if you make it plainly
obvious.
Some people have adopted the use of smiley faces :-) , lol or <g> to
indicate they are being humorous. Others are too lazy or don’t think
they are acquired, so the humor is lost. In this case a flame war may
start.
2-13. Q: What is the preferred language of abrf and the
Mailing-List?
A: English is the preferred language. But not everyone speaks
or writes it fluently and not even those who do; don’t do it properly.
I wrote this document in English with the intended audience of those
seeking knowledge about UseNet and how to post on it.
So write your articles in English and be as polite and to the point as
possible. And always think your audience is intelligent.
Related Topics:
Why can’t I use new forms of or short hand?
What is alternating caps, and why shouldn’t I do it?
Why should I try avoid purposely-misspelling words, or be the
grammar/spelling police?
Why are people claiming I’m SHOUTING?
2-14. Q: Where can I post Binaries?
A: “Rule” 3 of UseNet states that when posting. Post to
related topics to the appropriate newsgroup using the newsgroups title
as the topic controller is the correct form. Binaries or files are to
be posted in newsgroups with ONLY binaries in the name. You can’t
imagine how many people break this rule. Spammers posting messages to
a none text group. Other people posting html signatures or posting
pictures and such to a text only group.
This group abrf and the Mailing List are a text only forum. Binaries
are not to be posted in either place under any circumstances. This
group is set for text and the allotted space in most servers are
smaller then a binary group, so messages will disappear faster. For
the Mailing List, people are forced to download what you send them. So
if e-mail start to have tons of pictures and such, it will kill the
Mailing List users e-mail server.
Related Topics:
What is Media?
What are the standard rules of UseNet?
Can I post Binary attachments to abrf or the Mailing-List?
2-15. Q: I have a malicious program or intent, where can I post it?
A: “Rule” 4 of UseNet states that abuse or misuse the UseNet
system, or violate the societies behaviors is prohibited. In the
United States it’s a criminal crime to spread computer viruses
intentionally. Also it’s illegal to lure children to kidnap them. So
posting such things is illegal and is not encouraged but such activity
does occur. Viruses and malicious intent should not be post in abrf or
the Mailing List and anyone can report you to the proper authorities
for charges.
Related Topics:
What are the standard rules of UseNet?
2-16. Q: My computer is infected by a virus, should I still post?
A: Good question. It’s often nice and helpful to warn others;
especially if that is the newsgroup you got it from. But make sure
your computer is clean of the virus to avoid posting or sending the
virus to others. You don’t need to send out a mass warning to everyone
on the Internet about the virus. Just stating that file destroyed your
computer might prompt someone to avoid the same fate you had. But be
clean and calm, though hard to do when hit by a virus. If you sound to
angry and post all over, you’ll end up destroying your creditability.
2-17. Q: What is Conserving Bandwidth?
A: Limit the amount that you transmit over the Internet.
Bandwidth is the amount of information that can travel through a
channel or line. By doing large quotes, excessive posting, repeating
responses, and contributing to spam ties up the system slowing down
the whole thing.
o Reposting files that are still on the servers.
o Posting software that is available via the Web or FTP.
o Off-topic posts, including chat posted to a binaries-only group. Or
vise versus.
o Posting more than the readers can reasonably download, which leads
to requests for reposts.
o Posting questions when the answers are already right in front of
you.
o Multiple, simultaneous posts of the same request. o Excessive
cross-posting.
o Flame wars. Take it to email or shut up. Your opinion doesn't need
to be on thousands of servers worldwide.
o Trolling, which leads to flame wars.
o Ridiculously long signatures.
o HTML attachments, especially for signatures or simple text messages.
Spare us, will ya?
Related Topics:
How much should I post, and what can I post?
Can I sending repeat messages or cross-posting?
Do I have to be brief in my posts?
What should I quote, and why should it be short?
Where can I post Binaries?
Can I post Binary attachments to abrf or the Mailing-List?
What is the rule of posting in html?
How long should my signature be, what should I decide to keep?
2-18. Q: Hey wait, what are the rules of posting to the Raymond E.
Feist Mailing-list?
A: Oddly enough the same as the abrf despite that it’s done
through SMTP. There are no rules, however there is a proper
netiquette. Quoting, sarcasm, binaries, flames, spoiler space, and
language still apply to the Mailing-list. Read this complete FAQ on
what to do.
2-19. Q: What is abrf’s (alt.books.raymond-feist) posting format and
conduct?
A: Outlined throughout this whole FAQ. This FAQ should help
you understand not only the proper etiquette but understand as to why.
2-20. Q: People are yelling at me to add Spoiler Space, what does
that mean?
A: You are giving away plots or character development to books
that they haven’t read yet. Adding spoiler spaces or spoiler warnings
can stop this ruining of the experience of discovery of the book.
Related Topics:
What does Spoiler warning mean?
2-21. Q: What does Spoiler warning mean?
A: A Spoiler warning or space is a divider that gives the
reader a grace period of not seeing information regarding something in
a story plot or character development. There is no such thing as a
Spoiler warning for a place or someone’s name. But you should try to
avoid stating who is the father of a character in the subject or
header line.
Spoiler warnings in the Header or Subject are much more effective than
actual spaces in the body of the message as the reader will skip your
whole message. Regardless of which one you use depends on the
circumstance of the use.
Another thing is if you feel that the spoiler only ruins a certain
book then use a format of the book’s abbreviated name with Spoiler
after it. Example of what it would look like for Magician is: Mag
Spoiler.
Related Topics:
How do I make a Spoiler warning in the body of the message?
How do I make a Spoiler warning in the Header or Subject line?
2-22. Q: How do I make a Spoiler warning in the body of the message?
A: If you been typing along and realized that you just
revealed a plot to a book but you want people to read your point but
not your explanation. Then using a spoiler space before the area that
may ruin the plot to the reader who hasn’t read the book. Type in
SPOILER SPACE for Mag. Then place in a reasonable amount of spaces, 15
to 30 and then the rest of your message. An example is below:
>
>Can Tomas cast fireballs at his opponents with a mere thought?
>
I don’t think Tomas has the ability to do that.
SPOILER SPACE for Mag
I think he can’t do that because he is said to have such and such
ability.
This Spoiler Space saves the reader from accidentally reading the
spoiler in your explanation of your point.
2-23. Q: How do I make a Spoiler warning in the Header or Subject
line?
A: To make a Spoiler warning all you need to do is included
the word Spoiler at the end of the Header or Subject line or in the
beginning in brackets. Examples are below:
<Spoiler>Question for REF
Honest Johns bar -Spoiler
Honest Johns bar –Spoiler for aDaS and Silver
2-24. Q: Why can’t I use new forms of or short hand?
A: Try to reframe from breaking from regular English use as
not everyone speaks or writes that language fluently. Short hand is
better for if your taking notes for yourself. Not everyone is prelude
to the inner workings of your mind and it’s just going to look like a
lot of misspelling or a foreign language to them. Now with all the
short hand in your post the reader won’t understand what your writing
and your creditability has been shoot down a notch.
2-25. Q: What is alternating caps, and why shouldn’t I do it?
A: Alternating caps is capitalizing in the middle of a word or
not capitalizing the beginning of the name, place, or sentence. tHis
iS an eXamPle Of alTenAtIon cApitALizatiOn.
This has everything to do with presentation. The flow of the words is
broken with the capitalization and at some points break the words up
into new words. It also gives the reader a harder time to read this as
they go up and down the words like a roller coaster, which in the end
annoys the reader and makes them skip your message or ignore all other
messages from you.
2-26. Q: Why should I not do a “me too” or “I second that idea”?
A: If someone answer a question that you wanted to answer or
something similar has been answered, there is no need to post up a “me
too” or seconding the motion or idea to confirm that’s what you would
have said. This is consider as repeating a responses and ties up
UseNet or the e-mail server. If someone posted up the answer then
there is no need to give the same answer, unless it’s a timing issue.
If that is the case then someone’s answer didn’t appropriate to you
fast enough and is overlooked by most people but can annoy them.
Readers should know that the newsgroup is a 32-hour newsgroup and the
Mailing List is a 4-hour List. Meaning responses times can be in or up
to that time. So abrf is vastly slower than some that have people
posting every fifteen minutes. With the more faster and popular
groups, they request people’s answers to others question be e-mailed
to the questioner to save a bunch of the same answer being posted by
hundreds of people who couldn’t see each others answer until two hours
later. Then the questioner needs to post up a summary of the answer.
Neither abrf or the Mailing-List ask participants to take that measure
of control.
Related Topics:
Why should I avoid posting my opinions or argue until the other person
concedes?
2-27. Q: Why should I avoid posting my opinions or argue until the
other person concedes?
A: Arguing until the other person gives up or stating personal
opinions often lead to lengthy and tons of post about the same
arguments just written with other words with either side not conceding
to the other. Your opinions are yours and yours alone. You shouldn’t
try to force others to your opinion, or seeing the world on how you
see it. These arguments become less like arguments as time goes on and
if others start to complain that you need to drop it or go to e-mail,
you have gone to far.
Most personal opinions often lead to flame wars. And when in a Flame
war its hard to be the one that is the quote on quote loser.
Unfortunately you both are the losers as everyone is now filtering or
ignoring both your messages and wishing you would just go away. Flamer
wars do one thing; they destroy both participants credibility that
they had worked so hard to build. So before you start flaming, calm
down and are you writing a personal opinion or are you stating a point
or fact.
Related Topics:
Why should I take this to e-mail, isn’t this an educational forum?
Why can’t I talk about PC/OS or Religion in this group?
What is flaming and being flamed?
2-28. Q: Why should I take this to e-mail, isn’t this an educational
forum?
A: Often time’s people claim, “take it to e-mail”. Which is
not a good solution, because some people offer up fake e-mail address
or such to avoid spammers. Or the person complaining thinks that Flame
Wars or Off Topic Discussion should be to taken to e-mail or another
forum. This is not good as the person who you have a problem with is
now evolved more in your life as they are now e-mailing you but others
don’t see the issues. Personal threats can arise in such situations,
and now it’s moved from being uncivilized to criminal actions. For
both parties this doesn’t bold well.
Or the flame war loses it emotional aspect now that it moved from two
different forums. Or the participants lose their audience and lose
heart in arguing. With that being the case, taking it to e-mail often
means, just shut up already in a polite way.
Now being educational or being on topic doesn’t give you the right to
state personal opinions. Like everyone else at some point you have to
concede from the discussion. So if you drop it first with the though
of I let it, and the other is going yes they final saw it my way. In
the end both participants view their truths are the correct one or
they are the “winner” of the exchange.
With all that said, it’s actually best to avoid flaming and flame
wars.
2-29. Q: Why can’t I talk about PC/OS or Religion in this group?
A: Discussion/arguments on which computer, religion,
government, or car manufacture is better is a personal opinion. And
should be avoided as they lead to flame wars. Plus this is off topic
for abrf or the Mailing List and requires a [OT] in the header of
subject of the post. Off topic discussions are not encouraged, as
their are more appropriate forums for such topics.
2-30. Q: Why should I try avoid purposely-misspelling words, or be
the grammar/spelling police?
A: Purposely misspelling words or using slang terms to words
will confuse the reader especial if they are not aware of the latest
fad. Calling people dog may be taken literal by foreign people and
could be consider as offensive as they won’t know that your praising
them on being their own person and sleeping in the dog house which
where it comes from.
Now every once and while someone gets the idea that they should be the
spelling or grammar police. It’s bad form to show others that you have
more mastery over the English language than them. Don’t correct
misspellings or grammar issues, which cast you in bad light as others
might become offensive to your attempts. Remember you’re not the top
dog or the best person out there. I guaranty that I can find someone
who can do it better than you. If the person misspelled something its
probably by mistake or not knowing how to spell every word out there,
but they make up in that short coming by being way skilled at
something your not.
Try to figure out what they intended to say by ignoring the problem,
and politely responded with “I think your asking for” or “I believe
your talking about”. This allows a lot more clammier and sensible
reaction from everyone and your creditability has gone up compared to
those who correct language use. Not everyone speaks your language
fluently so be mindful.
Now if the misspelling of grammatical error confuses you to what they
are talking about. Ask them to clarify is it this or that. Or you can
ignore the post in favor of someone else tripping up or understanding.
2-31. Q: Why is everyone on the Mailing-list and abrf act like
jerks?
A: A fault in human conditioning. We assume that everything
must protein to us, thus we build or perceive the world around
ourselves. Often people fall victim to the not seeing though others
eyes or at least not understanding the others situation.
So please first calm down and please relax. I’ll be straight up with
you, some humor or sarcasm is often hard to read. Especial if they use
subtext along with it, which might give a new spin on the meaning to
the sentence. Some people use their whole message as a statement
within itself so you must take the whole message in consideration.
Almost everything I say or do is done with a smile on my face, as I
truly find everything amusing. I even go as far as using my quotes or
Phrase in my signature as a rebuttal or please don’t take me
seriously. I’m a perfectionist at heart, and if I take everything
personally I would have lots of issue with everyone. “Truth depends
greatly upon ones own point of view.”
My best suggestion is to Lurk on the forums. Get a feel of each
persons voice and a little insight in to who they are. However another
flaw of these forums is the fact that the people that have been
posting there tend to forget that newbies are new and haven’t seen
that question answered a month or a three years ago. To solve such a
problem the FAQs attempt to answer these frequent questions. But
trying to cover everything and prepare you can be a daunting task.
With ISP limiting the size of such web spaces and other limitation.
Sites have to change host and possible address, often losing stuff or
getting lost for mass consumption. Not to mention the responsibility
that comes with tackling such a task to being the self elected
caretaker of such things. ”Patient’s is a virtue that is often lost on
such things.”
Now if you find something offensive, you need to calm down. Please
don’t start a flame war as someone is going to have to be the better
person. Is it going to be you by letting it go, or are you going to
let the other person know that you where offended? If you do notify
the other person, please be polite, don’t call them names or be rude.
Just say, “Hey I was offended by how you stated that.” Saying very
little and being brief does count for something : )
Related Topics:
What is a ghost-name?
Should I use Sarcasm and satire?
2-32. Q: Can I post Binary attachments to abrf or the Mailing-List?
A: No you can’t. Posting unrelated messages to text only
groups breaks UseNet “rule” number 3. As abrf is
alt.books.raymond-feist and contains no binaries in the title, you
should not post attached multimedia to this group. Another reasoning
is the allotted space for text only groups is smaller than binaries.
So if a bunch of people posted up pictures, all the old messages for
two weeks ago will be lost and if posting files get excessive. Then
the pictures themselves will come up as incomplete.
The Mailing-List is done through SMTP and attaching files to e-mails
is a bad idea. Such files tend to be viruses or can cripple the
Mailing-List participant’s chance of retrieving all the e-mail.
If you really are desperate for people to see your picture or media
ask them to e-mail you personally or post it the Web please.
2-33. Q: What is the rule of posting in html?
A: You shouldn’t post in Hyper Text Mark-Up Language. Three
reasons are that such files are considered as binaries and not just
plain text. Another reason is that often times html can get quite
excessive and elaborate as it offers more text flavor and freedom. So
what can be simply done is now way over board and taking up valuable
server space. The finally last reason is some readers use certain
software that doesn’t understand html. So it’s none sensible rubbish
to programs like Forte’s Agent. Is this a downfall of those types of
programs or is that an advantage. I say it’s an advantage as most
spammers post in html design to be launch in Outlook. So their ad is
un-viewable and wont launch your default web browser to their annoying
site with Agent.
2-34. Q: What are the rules regarding surveys and questionnaires?
A: Most newsgroups say no surveys. However abrf and the
Mailing-List do allow such things to an extent. Both forums ask that
you have in survey the statement stating that answers are to be sent
through e-mail directly to you for summarizing the results. When you
post the results, they should be based on numbers. Like 7 out of 23
said this, or 30% of the people who filled out the questionnaire said
this.
A better way to conduct surveys and questionnaires is to create a
webpage using JavaScript’s input dialogue’s. If you need help setting
something up you can post up asking “I want to a set up a webpage
questionnaire using javascript”. Then once you have it set up just
post a link to the site and ask people to participate in the survey.
2-35. Q: I got this great joke/chain message. Can I post it here as
well?
A: Jokes, humor, satire, and sarcasm should be avoided, as
people will take offense. But regardless of that people still do it.
The best question is this joke on topic about Raymond E Feist books?
If the joke is a blonde joke, then I would have to say don’t post it
and if you do. Your creditability is going to go down and a flame war
will ensue.
Chain-mail is often times a hoax or a scam. Pyramid scams are now
illegal and justifiable so as they take money away for the little guy
who joined last and gives money to the people high up on the chain.
And its not bad luck not to pass the letter on, this is a myth. But if
you do believe that, then it’s bad luck to annoy people on abrf and
the Mailing-List : )
2-36. Q: How long should my signature be, what should I decide to
keep?
A: Signatures should be brief and short has possible. Your
name and e-mail to contact you properly because you use a fake (ghost)
e-mail address in the reply area is a good signature. Others like to
use Phrases and Famous quotes, while others like to have their webpage
address on the bottom.
It’s however bad to use all of them, especially if your quote is like
two or more lengthy sentence long. Think in this way, if you post up a
two-sentence response and your signatures is more than the response,
you need to trim something or a lot of it.
Lets us use mine as an example. The first one is a little long but it
gives you the idea that I state my name, my little rebuttal or don’t
take me to seriously, and my website dedicated to Raymond E Feist for
informational reasons. I could do without the rebuttal thing but feel
that I need it to discredit myself.
1.
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Lore
“The truth depends greatly upon ones own point of view."
http://students.uat.edu/jefjonai/feist/index.html
2.
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Lore beef...@hotmail.com.edu
To e-mail me drop the “.edu” thingy
"Affirmative may be justified.
Take from one give to another.
The goal is to be unified.
Take my hand be my brother.
The payment silenced the masses.
Sanctified by oppression.
Unity took a back seat.
Sliding further in regression.
One, the only way is One.” –Creed from One; My Own Prison
http://students.uat.edu/jefjonai/feist/index.html
-Do you Yahoo! www.yahoo.com
E-mail, web searching, chat channels and all your Internet needs.
This second one is way too long. Even though Yahoo attached its crap
to your e-mail its part of your signature. The quote will need to be a
whole lot shorter. Three lines is pushing it, nine is overboard. A
different quote is needed or make up your own phrase. Plus with the
now extra webpage address this make the whole signature seventeen
lines long as you have to count everything. Now your signature can be
twice or four times bigger than your response, which now looks like
there is more value in your signature then your message. This is
called bad presentation and sometimes signatures can get annoyingly
long so spares use all, please.
2-37. Q: Why are people claiming I’m SHOUTING?
A: Though people who read can’t here if you are actually
yelling they are reading your words. If your angry you will
subconsciously choose words that express your anger even if you mean
too or not. So single words in one word sentence to drive a point
could be viewed as yelling or shouting to someone.
But this is not the case here. On the Internet there is common notion
that when you place all the letters in a sentence in all capitals,
you’re shouting. THIS IS CONSIDERED AS SHOUTING. See the Point. : ) So
if your going to shout to prove your point then you better be right
about shouting, eh?
2-38. Q: What is flaming and being flamed?
A: Flame is usually referred to any message or article that
contains strong criticism, usually irrational or high emotional words.
Avoid "flames", and if you do get "flamed", relax, calm down and
decide if it's really worth "counter-flaming". Usually it isn't worth
flaming and you will be perceived as a "flamer" by the large silent
majority of readers.
Before sending your response to a flame check for, are you sending
what you want to send? Are you calm and polite? Do you get to your
point with a brief explanation? Should you post up your article so
that others can read your opinion?
Often time’s people start flaming over something so trivial that
doesn’t warrant such action. So keeping away from subjects or certain
actions will stop such emotional outburst. Current news, politics, and
even religion are what I call personal opinions and shouldn’t be
posted. I know we believe that we are right and we have all the
answers, but “personal opinions” are solely ours not everyone else’s
as they think their opinions are the correct ones.
Related Topics:
What is trolling?
2-39. Q: What is trolling?
A: Trolling is acting or being a Troll. A Troll is someone
that lives under a bridge that purposely fishes and attacks
unsuspecting gullibly goats. A troll baits or antagonizes gullibly
people to responded to their remarks, hence why it’s called Fishing.
The Trolls remarks often generate a Flame war to purposely tie up the
system in use. Most Trolls crave flame because in their pathetic life
no one talks to them. So they feel that this is a service for talking
and being a complete jackass. Trolls create arguments and keep
antagonizing the person or gullibly goat into more flame by never
conceding until they feel that they win the argument.
Trolls are easily spotted when an Off Topic discussion wont die and
people call for it to be dropped or taken to e-mail but they refuse to
do it. Or they bait people by stating something that has weak merit of
thought like “The last book Feist wrote sucked. His characters where
too hollow and weak. The story was done before and there was not
enough action.” Or they call you names or something a long the lines
of being uncivilized.
Your best solution is to ignore the Troll or just concede from an
argument or personal opinion early.
Related Topics:
Why is someone saying, “Don’t feed the troll”?
What is Spam?
2-40. Q: Why is someone saying, “Don’t feed the troll”?
A: Feeding a Troll is arguing or giving the Troll material to
antagonizes you about. Ignoring the Troll is the only way to make them
go away. If people don’t respond to their message the Troll isn’t
going to stick around and move to the next gullible group of goats. Or
they will come up with new bait that you need to ignore.
2-41. Q: What is Spam?
A: Please No SPAM, though I doubt spammers will read this.
There's nothing more I can say, besides wishing I had a Thermo-Nuclear
devise and some barb wire to tie all the spammers to it : )
SPAM is referred to mass advertisements or commercial like messages.
SPAM can also including Off Topic discussion about pushing a product
that has no association to the Topic.
Related Topics:
How do I report spam and to whom?
2-42. Q: How do I report spam and to whom?
A: Don’t send e-mails to the spammers as they will send SPAM
to the e-mail address you just sent them. And its always nice to have
a SPAM account like on Hotmail to give out everywhere so if spammers
extract your e-mail address, they get a dummy and not a personal one.
The only way is to report spammers is to their ISP. Usual the address
is abuse@ the spammers ISP address. Like for instance you want to
report Joe Shmoe at HighSpeed.com. The address would be
ab...@highspeed.com or news...@highspeed.com, this gets usual sent
or redirected to the server’s administrator. Now hopefully the ball is
rolling, unless the server administrator knows that Joe Shmoe is on a
business account and pays for that permission. Then it’s almost out
your hands. The only other choice is to go back to your own ISP
complaining of the SPAM for this ISP. Then your ISP can only deny all
incoming data from that ISP.
Now before I let you go on that, there is the none-proper way and the
proper way of reporting SPAM. If you do it exactly in the following
steps you will be sure the best outcome will come to your advantage.
Remember to be polite, civilized, and get the point by being brief as
possible.
Step 1: Is this really SPAM? Who really sent it? What does the Header
area say? How many other newsgroups did this target (usually under the
newsgroup association field)? Is this a new post?
On UseNet an article that is posted must have certain fields filled
in. So when you forward it to the abuse address make sure Header
fields are turned on and displayed in on top of the message. The
Fields should be like from, message id, reply to, newsgroup
association, and etc. Please read your programs documentation on
replying and forwarding.
The Header field will tell who really sent it. Is this article or
serious of articles generating from one person or is it a fake name
from one ISP. Normal advertising is not illegal, but if they excessive
cross-post to Ten or more groups that’s a major problem.
And if your repeating this step you can’t take the original you need
the spammer to post up new spam or new Spam to generate from that ISP
because the user could be on a DNS and getting new IP address from his
ISP.
Step 2: Send a message to the abuse account address stating that this
Mass advertisement was posted in several newsgroups violating proper
UseNet conduct of excessive cross-posting. Provide the whole message
including its content and header fields to the ISP administrator so
they have proof, and can look to see who was under that IP address at
the time. Laws require or demand that ISP keep log files of all their
servers request and activity.
Step 3: If no action is taken as the Spammer is still spamming from
that ISP, keep doing steps 1 and 2 over, and get others (with in
reason) to help you out. There is more power in a herd and eventually
the administrator is going to cave-in to Ten people complaining
compared to one individual. But don’t get a band wagon together,
enlisting people to do this is a bad idea and defeats this clean
process. If the offending ISP still does no action then move on to the
next steps.
Step 4: Send all copies of your action with the proof of the abuse and
any communiqué from the offending ISP to your ISP. Remind them that
you’re their customer and you tried contacting the ISP to resolve this
UseNet abuse, but the abuse still is persistent. You can request your
ISP to send the offended ISP a letter that if they don’t correct their
customers abuse they will have to ignore or delete all incoming
message from their ISP and notify other ISP of their ISP customers
abuse.
Step 5: If the letter for your ISP doesn’t stop the spammer or the ISP
from Spamming and abusing UseNet. Notify your ISP with the forward
messages of the new and continued abuse stating that they are still
doing it. And your ISP might filter out all data from that ISP if they
can, and notify others.
Step 6: The final step is a little painful but you need to convince
your ISP to do this. Ask your ISP to send an e-mail to their UseNet
feeds with the included UseNet abuse. News feeds like NewsGuy and
SuperNews will listen much faster to an ISP administrator and can more
effectively to blocking transitions from that ISP. Placing what is
referred to as the UseNet death penalty on that ISP.
To read up on UseNet administrators and supporters go to
http://www.sputum.com/suitsite/uunetudp.html
http://www.supernews.com
http://www.newsguy.com
2-43. Q: What is a MUSH/MUD/MOO?
A: MUSH stands for Multi-User Shared Habitat or Hallucination.
MUD stands for multi-user dungeon, dimension, or sometimes domain. And
is often a paper game played out on a message board or some sort of
Chat channel. The last one MOO stands for Multi-user-dimension Object
Oriented. That is based in a program created by Stephen White, that
runs like a MUD. These are all text based games that are played across
the Internet.
http://rift.riftwar.com
http://www.ptbo.igs.net/`amanley/rift/index.html
2-44. Q: What is this IRC thing?
A: An IRC is an Internet Relay Chat. There is a channel
dedicated to Feist by connecting to the #Midkemia channel on DalNet.
For more information look at the #Midkemia’s IRC FAQ at:
Psihawk.com/feist/feist-irc.html
If you have any problems connecting, send an e-mail to Joe Dimech, the
founder of the #Midkemia channel at Mac...@ntplx.net