Good Omens movie
Kirei
young woman (or, you know, me) asked him about a little (amazing) book that was
being turned into a little (hopefully equally as amazing) movie -- at which
point PTerry responded that, being the writer, he had no say in anything that
went on in the picture and knew nothing.
A year later, it's April, and according to IMDB, the movie is supposed to be in
shooting now. So I've just got to ask again. Does -anyone- -- Mr. Pratchett, or
anyone else -- know (and is willing to share) -anything- about what's going on
with the Good Omens movie, besides that it's being directed by Terry Gilliam?
I've got to admit I'm going mildly insane wondering who's going to play Crowley
and Aziraphale (two of my favourite people in all of fiction), and I know a lot
of my Pterry-converted friends (and certainly -all- the girls on the Good Omens
mailing list I'm on) would be incredibly relieved if we could just have a hint.
A name. Anything.
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kirei...@aol.comieatspam (Kirei) wrote in
<20020430235313...@mb-mv.aol.com>:
>Well, last year PTerry did a little book signing in New York, and a certain
>young woman (or, you know, me) asked him about a little (amazing) book that was
>being turned into a little (hopefully equally as amazing) movie -- at which
>point PTerry responded that, being the writer, he had no say in anything that
>went on in the picture and knew nothing.
>A year later, it's April, and according to IMDB, the movie is supposed to be in
>shooting now. So I've just got to ask again. Does -anyone- -- Mr. Pratchett, or
>anyone else -- know (and is willing to share) -anything- about what's going on
>with the Good Omens movie, besides that it's being directed by Terry Gilliam?
>I've got to admit I'm going mildly insane wondering who's going to play Crowley
>and Aziraphale (two of my favourite people in all of fiction), and I know a lot
>of my Pterry-converted friends (and certainly -all- the girls on the Good Omens
>mailing list I'm on) would be incredibly relieved if we could just have a hint.
>A name. Anything.
The hint would be 'financing', as in Terry Gilliam hasn't managed to get
it so far. There is still hope. Depending on which Pratchett fan you
are, the hope is that the movie _will_ be made or _will not_ be made.
Opinions vary, but not quite as much as about the need for the Windsors
to get real jobs.
Ash
[Snip]
> Does -anyone- -- Mr. Pratchett, or anyone else -- know (and
> is willing to share) -anything- about what's going on with the
> Good Omens movie, besides that it's being directed by Terry Gilliam?
>
> Kirei
There's a website called www.upcomingmovies.com which has an entry for Good
Omens (search by title). Among other things it mentions Robin Williams as either
the angel or the demon, but unconfirmed for any part at all. Personally I think
he'd do Aziraphael better than Crowley. But lack of finances is causing
problems.
Ash
Andrew Eremin
<fx> shudder <\fx>
Despite being a fan of his early stand-up and films, his current
penchant for over-sentimentality makes me truly hope that he is not in
any film of GO. Aziraphale is described as giving others the impression
that he is slightly camp, intellectual, and very English - I'd truly
hate to see Robin Williams' attempt at portraying that, I can't see
there being too much subtlety or understatement involved. I couldn't
really see him as Crowley, but at least he wouldn't have much
opportunity for playing the child-like innocent he seems to think is
endearing/empathetic these days. I'd be thinking more along the lines of
John Hurt, Ian McKellen or Derek Jacobi for Aziraphale (possibly someone
younger is needed, Aziraphale is ageless, but YSWIM) and Clive Owen or
Gary (do I mean Gary, I always get them confused?) Kemp for Crowley.
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X Kyle M Thompson
> made. Opinions vary, but not quite as much as about the need for the
> Windsors to get real jobs.
Eh?
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> John Hurt, Ian McKellen or Derek Jacobi for Aziraphale (possibly someone
> younger is needed, Aziraphale is ageless, but YSWIM) and Clive Owen or
I'd have said Matt Damon and Ben Affleck make a good duo, but that would
make it seem like a bad remake of Dogma . . .
JQM
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Margaret
> I'd be thinking more along the lines of
> John Hurt, Ian McKellen or Derek Jacobi for Aziraphale (possibly someone
> younger is needed, Aziraphale is ageless, but YSWIM) and Clive Owen or
> Gary (do I mean Gary, I always get them confused?) Kemp for Crowley.
I'd argue for McKellen for one and ...is it Christopher
Lee I'm thinking of? Grand Moff Tarkin, anyhow...for
the other. The roles need the impression of
been-around-forever.
Margaret
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Kirei
>Andrew Eremin <a.er...@icparc.ic.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> I'd be thinking more along the lines of
>> John Hurt, Ian McKellen or Derek Jacobi for Aziraphale (possibly someone
>> younger is needed, Aziraphale is ageless, but YSWIM) and Clive Owen or
>> Gary (do I mean Gary, I always get them confused?) Kemp for Crowley.
>
>I'd argue for McKellen for one and ...is it Christopher
>Lee I'm thinking of? Grand Moff Tarkin, anyhow...for
>the other. The roles need the impression of
>been-around-forever.
>
McKellen could work for Zira, but Crowley is supposed to be rather
young-looking. The lads (if there are any) and ladies over at the Crowley's
Angels mailing list tossed out Alan Rickman and Gary Oldman for the same
reason. I heard Johnny Depp from someone, which I personally think is perfect.
^_^; Or James Marsters. Young, laid-back, cynical, British, and very slightly
suspicious.
Kirei
Arg. I see. ._. Thank you. That's a shame -- I really like Good Omens, and I'm
really looking forward to the movie. Is it still slated to come out 2003, or is
that out of the question at this point?
Somebody Else
Gilliam fanzine http://www.smart.co.uk/dreams/
Kirei
>Gilliam fanzine http://www.smart.co.uk/dreams/
Okay, so I went and checked that out -- thank you for the link, by the way --
and I get:
""The script is good, the cast seem committed, and the producers have the
foreign financing in place. What they need is a US studio to commit some money
(I think it's about $15 million) to the project, and no US studio seems ready
to take the plunge yet."
Well, there's the part I'm trying to figure out more than anything. -What-
cast?
Sherilyn
Kirei <kirei...@aol.comieatspam> wrote:
[...]
> ^_^; Or James Marsters. Young, laid-back, cynical, British, and very slightly
> suspicious.
James Marsters is Californian. His "Britishness" is an illusion that
seems to afflict many Americans who watch Buffy--I can never make my
mind up if his character is supposed to be British, because his accent,
whilst predominantly American, wanders all over the place.
--
Sherilyn
Otter Perry
X Kyle M Thompson wrote:
>
> David Jensen wrote:
> > made. Opinions vary, but not quite as much as about the need for the
> > Windsors to get real jobs.
>
> Eh?
You know, the _Windsors_. Her Maj and her naughty kids and so on.
gra...@affordable-leather.co.ukdeletethis
On 02 May 2002 01:07:39 GMT, kirei...@aol.comieatspam (Kirei) wrote:
>^_^; Or James Marsters. Young, laid-back, cynical, British, and very slightly
>suspicious.
The most suspicious part about JM is his "British" accent which is
IMO only marginally better than Dick van Dyke's cockney one in Mary
Poppins!
Cheers,
Graham.
Ash
Hmmm - looks like someone here's not UK?!
andrew...@stealthmunchkin.fsnet.co.uk
> > John Hurt, Ian McKellen or Derek Jacobi for Aziraphale (possibly someone
> > younger is needed, Aziraphale is ageless, but YSWIM) and Clive Owen or
> > Gary (do I mean Gary, I always get them confused?) Kemp for Crowley.
>
> I'd argue for McKellen for one and ...is it Christopher
> Lee I'm thinking of? Grand Moff Tarkin, anyhow...for
> the other. The roles need the impression of
> been-around-forever.
Nah - Crowley needs to *look* youngish... Hurt, McKellen and Jacobi would
all be great choices for Aziraphale (although I'd really have liked to see
Alistair Sim or Alec Guinness take the role). Jason Lee would make a very
good Crowley, I think. I know he's American, but since Crowley's supposed
nationality is never mentioned (unlike Aziraphale's 'English'ness) that
wouldn't be a problem...
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pia
"Margaret" <solid...@mindspring.com.invalid> wrote
>
> I'd argue for McKellen for one and ...is it Christopher
> Lee I'm thinking of? Grand Moff Tarkin, anyhow...for
> the other. The roles need the impression of
> been-around-forever.
I fear Peter Cushing kind of ceased being around quite a while ago.
pia
Leo Breebaart
> > >
> > > Eh?
> >
> > You know, the _Windsors_. Her Maj and her naughty kids and so on.
>
> Hmmm - looks like someone here's not UK?!
This *is* an international newsgroup, you know.
Either way, we've just had long (gods, were they long) and fascinating
(for interesting values of 'fascinating') discussions about UK royalty
on alt.fan.pratchett. Please let's not repeat the experience on abp,
where it would most definitely be off-topic.
--
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Margaret
I'm confused. There's someone whom I'm relentless in
mistaking for Cushing, but I just googled a pic of Lee
and I don't now think it's him--nowhere near desiccated
enough. So I don't know who 'n hell I mean.
pia
> "pia" <piage...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > I fear Peter Cushing kind of ceased being around quite a while
> > ago.
>
> I'm confused. There's someone whom I'm relentless in
> mistaking for Cushing, but I just googled a pic of Lee
> and I don't now think it's him--nowhere near desiccated
> enough. So I don't know who 'n hell I mean.
<leap to the unknown> Not Christopher Plummer by any chance?
pia
andrew...@stealthmunchkin.fsnet.co.uk
> mistaking for Cushing, but I just googled a pic of Lee
> and I don't now think it's him--nowhere near desiccated
> enough. So I don't know who 'n hell I mean.
Vincent Price? For some reason I always confuse the two...
pia
[and this here was Margaret]
> > I'm confused. There's someone whom I'm relentless in
> > mistaking for Cushing, but I just googled a pic of Lee
> > and I don't now think it's him--nowhere near desiccated
> > enough. So I don't know who 'n hell I mean.
>
> Vincent Price? For some reason I always confuse the two...
! That's extraordinary. They don't look much alike.
Actually, to confuse up Cushing and Lee does make some sense, since
the old boys were pitted against each other in at least twenty films.
pia
Ash
> > > You know, the _Windsors_. Her Maj and her naughty kids and so on.
> > Hmmm - looks like someone here's not UK?!
> This *is* an international newsgroup, you know.
Sorry - it was a reference to what Otter said about/to me in a post about the
Pinta.
Won't happen again. :~}
Richard Eney
Margaret <solid...@mindspring.com.invalid> wrote:
>I'm confused. There's someone whom I'm relentless in
>mistaking for Cushing, but I just googled a pic of Lee
>and I don't now think it's him--nowhere near desiccated
>enough. So I don't know who 'n hell I mean.
Possibly the "pommy" actor who played Lord Peter Wimsey? Not Ian
Carmichael, the other one, who had the narrow face and blond hair and
relatively slight statue that the Wimsey role requires. He'd be a good
Aziraphale.
=Tamar
Kirei
Well, yes, I'm aware he's not British, but he's British enough, I should think.
Besides, he's got the smarmy sexy thing down. And he can get an accent coach?
<g>
Otter Perry
Ash wrote:
>
> > > "Otter Perry" wrote...
> > > > You know, the _Windsors_. Her Maj and her naughty kids and so on.
> > > Ash wrote...
> > > Hmmm - looks like someone here's not UK?!
> "Leo Breebaart" <l...@lspace.org> wrote...
> > This *is* an international newsgroup, you know.
>
> Sorry - it was a reference to what Otter said about/to me in a post about the
> Pinta.
> Won't happen again. :~}
What's not UK about knowing who the Windsors are?
But I'm willing to not talk about them.
Dr Douglas Sutherland-Bruce
pia
>
> Possibly the "pommy" actor who played Lord Peter Wimsey? Not Ian
> Carmichael, the other one, who had the narrow face and blond hair
> and relatively slight statue that the Wimsey role requires. He'd be
> a good Aziraphale.
Yess!! Sometime in the past I have made this same suggestion. Assuming
of course that we are thinking of the same Wimsey. I'm referring to
Edward Petherbridge in the BBC miniseries in the '80s
http://www.geocities.com/gregorym101/bbcwimsey_tv_peth.html
Look at the man. He *is* Aziraphale.
pia
Leo Breebaart
> http://www.geocities.com/gregorym101/bbcwimsey_tv_peth.html
>
> Look at the man. He *is* Aziraphale.
Possibly, but he sure as heck ain't my idea of Lord Peter Wimsey. Good
grief!
Regarding the Good Omens movie, I really liked what Terry said on afp
last month (and which therefore not everybody here on abp may have
seen):
"The difference between me and Neil in our attitude to movie projects
is that he doesn't believe they're going to happen until he's
sitting in his seat eating popcorn, and I don't believe they're
going to happen."
--
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Karen
>>"Leo Breebaart" <l...@lspace.org> wrote...
>>>Ash <ashl...@bridgesm1.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>>> > "Otter Perry" wrote...
>> > > You know, the _Windsors_. Her Maj and her naughty kids and so on.
>> > Hmmm - looks like someone here's not UK?!
>> This *is* an international newsgroup, you know.
>Sorry - it was a reference to what Otter said about/to me in a post about the
>Pinta.
>Won't happen again. :~}
Hmm. Its always interesting trying to do a quick catch up on news, when
you have been missing it for a while. Patterns show up in threads which
look quite different from those which appear on a daily basis.
I was very struck by the sudden volume in abp, thought I'd picked up the
wrong newsgroup for a moment. Read some posts and still thought I'd
picked up the wrong newsgroup... I've still got to go catch up on afp.
Whilst very glad to see abp stir into life after a prolonged patch in
the ditchwater, I found it difficult to avoid the impression in some of
the lengthier sub branches, that the [R] content was tenuous in the
extreme and providing a gauzy justification for threads which have
precious little to do with Pratchett.
At more than one point I found myself drawing the analogy with the way
in which kids sometimes insist on walking right on the line whilst
pulling it ever further their way. Being Good. It really did look as if
the object of the thread was not to discuss Pratchett and all his works
but to see just how far discussion could go away from that subject.
Mostly they were threads I'd normally see veer over to afp at some point
to continue (one did I think but I've not caught up there yet). Or even
to email once down to being repetitive two / three handers.
All of which I can imagine being slightly irritating if its not what you
are used to or want, or consider appropriate on this group [and for sure
some of those branches felt pretty irrelevant to me]. And I can see it
triggering off a general feeling of annoyance but that has nothing to
do with parochialism with respect to the UK or anywhere else as
displayed on abp specifically.
>> Either way, we've just had long (gods, were they long) and fascinating
>> (for interesting values of 'fascinating') discussions about UK royalty
>> on alt.fan.pratchett. Please let's not repeat the experience on abp,
>> where it would most definitely be off-topic.
Well actually I don't see anyone starting them. I saw a couple of one
liners following up a comment at the end of a relevant post. And the
fact that afp has been bored rigid by endless repetitions of the same
point mostly from the same people on Royalty lately doesn't mean its
about to start here. Hopefully. I don't see it being initiated in this
thread, at least two of the contributors to the comments were not even
from the UK, and one who was actually asked what they were talking
about...
Parochialism is boring and inappropriate in an international newsgroup.
But a couple of one liners do not constitute a major threat of this, and
if the group has no room for a couple of throwaway comments then I think
that is a pity. Endless threads of the same repeated is a very different
matter.
As regards the subject in question - the Windsor family. Every nation
or group has its internationally recognised names that it is fair to
assume people will mostly know. I've never felt the need to remind
people that Madonna is a merkin when mentioning her. There is a point
where making that assumption of knowledge does become parochialism
*because* you are then making an assumption about your readership which
is not based a knowledge of the subject's international status but an
assumption that your audience are 'local' to you in some way.
The UK has the Royals and football hooligans, which cause us to beam
with pride as we can safely assume that there is a good chance that the
wider world knows about them. Alternatively we could remind people just
who Elizabeth II is every time her name comes up but run the risk of
posting to alt.fan.justice-cocklecarrot.
A sense of proportion is a Good Thing. As is directing irritation at its
source rather than on some hapless wanderer on the pitch. [Thats a
football term but I'm assuming everyone gets my drift]
Apart from anything else it only wakes me up and cause me speculate at
length. And relevance is probably more useful. Well unless we get
endless Star Trek threads in the forthcoming annotation threads for the
Globe.
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[...]
> Despite being a fan of his early stand-up and films, his current
> penchant for over-sentimentality makes me truly hope that he is not in
> any film of GO.
I like Robin Williams, but I agree that he's not really right for the
part of Aziraphale.
> Aziraphale is described as giving others the impression
> that he is slightly camp, intellectual, and very English -
Who I suddenly had a mental image of whilst reading this description
was Richard E Grant.
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James Morrissey
> > make it seem like a bad remake of Dogma . . .
> >
> How about comedians? Reeves and Mortimer, or French and Saunders.
Sorry, im kinda having trouble seeing french and saunders doing aziraphale
and crowley . . . although french made a suprisingly convincing Gandalf.
JQM
James Morrissey
> > that he is slightly camp, intellectual, and very English -
>
> Who I suddenly had a mental image of whilst reading this description
> was Richard E Grant.
I got stephen fry.
JQM
Sherilyn
They don't often do subtle, I have to admit.
--
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Ash
For me, he's too old and exuberant. Aziraphael could be a quiet gentleman, such
as may be found in a weird bookshop (like the one he owns). Richard E Grant
doesn't seem so traditionally English, although doubtless he could be if he so
wanted.
Ash
Somebody Else
"Kirei" <kirei...@aol.comieatspam> wrote in message
news:20020502003350...@mb-fi.aol.com...
> >The most up-to-date stuff posted on the Good Omens film is posted on the
> >Gilliam fanzine http://www.smart.co.uk/dreams/
>
> Okay, so I went and checked that out -- thank you for the link, by the
way --
> and I get:
>
> ""The script is good, the cast seem committed, and the producers have the
> foreign financing in place. What they need is a US studio to commit some
money
> (I think it's about $15 million) to the project, and no US studio seems
ready
> to take the plunge yet."
>
> Well, there's the part I'm trying to figure out more than anything. -What-
> cast?
>
The closest that I could find was the alleged casting of Robin Williams and
Johnny Depp
Richard Eney
pia <PJGe...@zi.ku.dk> wrote:
>"Richard Eney" <dic...@radix.net> wrote
>>
>> Possibly the "pommy" actor who played Lord Peter Wimsey? Not Ian
>> Carmichael, the other one, who had the narrow face and blond hair
>Yess!! Sometime in the past I have made this same suggestion. Assuming
>of course that we are thinking of the same Wimsey. I'm referring to
>Edward Petherbridge in the BBC miniseries in the '80s
>
>http://www.geocities.com/gregorym101/bbcwimsey_tv_peth.html
>
>Look at the man. He *is* Aziraphale.
That's the one.
=Tamar
Richard Eney
Leo Breebaart <l...@lspace.org> wrote:
>"pia" <piage...@yahoo.com> writes:
>> http://www.geocities.com/gregorym101/bbcwimsey_tv_peth.html
>>
>> Look at the man. He *is* Aziraphale.
>
>Possibly, but he sure as heck ain't my idea of Lord Peter Wimsey. Good
>grief!
OT, but I recall the descriptions in the Wimsey books and Petherbridge
fits them. Admittedly Lord Peter grows from "tiny, doll-like, miniature"
to approximately five feet ten inches tall in the course of the series,
but the long thin not-quite-handsome aristocratic face, blond hair, and
slight physical stature all fit perfectly.
>Regarding the Good Omens movie, I really liked what Terry said on afp
>last month (and which therefore not everybody here on abp may have
>seen):
>
> "The difference between me and Neil in our attitude to movie projects
> is that he doesn't believe they're going to happen until he's
> sitting in his seat eating popcorn, and I don't believe they're
> going to happen."
All we need is for one of us to win a very large lottery. :-)
=Tamar
Sherilyn
Richard Eney <dic...@radix.net> wrote:
> In article <aattnv$2fk$1...@library.lspace.org>,
> Leo Breebaart <l...@lspace.org> wrote:
>>
>>Possibly, but he sure as heck ain't my idea of Lord Peter Wimsey. Good
>>grief!
>
> OT, but I recall the descriptions in the Wimsey books and Petherbridge
> fits them. Admittedly Lord Peter grows from "tiny, doll-like, miniature"
> to approximately five feet ten inches tall in the course of the series,
Fiction can do that to a man...
> but the long thin not-quite-handsome aristocratic face, blond hair, and
> slight physical stature all fit perfectly.
>
[...]
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nyra
>
> "Kirei" <kirei...@aol.comieatspam> wrote in message
> news:20020502003350...@mb-fi.aol.com...
> >
> > ""The script is good, the cast seem committed, and the producers have the
> > foreign financing in place. What they need is a US studio to commit some
> money
> > (I think it's about $15 million) to the project, and no US studio seems
> ready
> > to take the plunge yet."
<counts on fingers>
That sounds a lot, but judging by the amounts mentioned for every new
bit of Hollywood output, it should be comparatively cheap for an
industrial-strength film. However, i guess it comes under the heading of
"fantasy" and all the "fantasy" money has already been spent on the brat
with the NHS glasses and the Lord of the Things...
> > Well, there's the part I'm trying to figure out more than anything. -What-
> > cast?
> >
>
> The closest that I could find was the alleged casting of Robin Williams and
> Johnny Depp
I wonder for which roles; Johnny Depp, i think would make a _marvellous_
Newton Pulsifer, but Robin Williams ???
I mean, _Robin_ _Williams_? Who on earth is he going to play? Pepper's
little sister?
TreetopAngel
"Richard Eney" <dic...@radix.net> wrote in message
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If I win the Powerball, I will help out with the movie...just to see it
onscreen!!!
TreetopAngel
(now I have to go buy a ticket!)
Graycat
>> The closest that I could find was the alleged casting of Robin Williams and
>> Johnny Depp
>
>I wonder for which roles; Johnny Depp, i think would make a _marvellous_
I kinda thought he'd be Crowley... But he might work as Newt as well.
>Newton Pulsifer, but Robin Williams ???
>I mean, _Robin_ _Williams_? Who on earth is he going to play? Pepper's
>little sister?
Hopefully th octopus in the big pile of fish that the other four
explode.
Elin
Stephen Taylor
<sher...@suespammers.org> writes
and ends up in Busman's Honeymoon lamenting his lack of height.
I saw Petherbridge in the TV series before I'd read the books (that's
why I read them), I've now got the Ian Carmichael series on video.
Petherbridge looks more like the description, but plays him far more
angst-ridden than Sayers wrote him (imo). Harriet Walter is, however,
superlative as Harriet Vane. So there!
I could see Petherbridge as a tormented angel... (making this post
vaguely on topic)
Bono as Crowley?
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Richard Eney
Stephen Taylor <ste...@hedgehogco.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>Richard Eney <dic...@radix.net> wrote:
>>> OT, but I recall the descriptions in the Wimsey books and Petherbridge
>>> fits them. Admittedly Lord Peter grows from "tiny, doll-like, miniature"
>>> to approximately five feet ten inches tall in the course of the series,
>>> but the long thin not-quite-handsome aristocratic face, blond hair, and
>>> slight physical stature all fit perfectly.
>Um, as I recall, he starts of 5'10" or thereabouts in the early books,
>and ends up in Busman's Honeymoon lamenting his lack of height.
>I saw Petherbridge in the TV series before I'd read the books (that's
>why I read them)
I'm of the belief that his very first appearance was in a short story, in
which he was "tiny", "doll-like", and "miniature" in the extreme. He was
also much flakier than he was later. The story set in the advertising
office was a turning point, where he was shown being flaky deliberately
while wishing he didn't have to. The bemoaning of lack of inches of
height was fairly consistent. I say he was still under 5'10" because at
one point he is disguised briefly as a policeman and is a bit too short
for one (the height requirement at the time was 6 feet minimum).
Pterry isn't the only author to make changes in an established character
as a series progresses.
>Petherbridge looks more like the description, but plays him far more
>angst-ridden than Sayers wrote him (imo).
<snip>
>I could see Petherbridge as a tormented angel... (making this post
>vaguely on topic)
Agreed. He can do that kind of angst.
>Bono as Crowley?
People keep mentioning Bono. I'm out of the loop - the only Bono I know
of is Sonny Bono, who used to be married to Cher.
=Tamar
Sherilyn
Richard Eney <dic...@radix.net> wrote:
> In article <i1bKnTCI...@hedgehogco.demon.co.uk>,
> Stephen Taylor <ste...@hedgehogco.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Bono as Crowley?
>
> People keep mentioning Bono. I'm out of the loop - the only Bono I know
> of is Sonny Bono, who used to be married to Cher.
>
know he could act.
--
Sherilyn
Ash
> nyra wrote...
>
> >I mean, _Robin_ _Williams_? Who on earth is he
> >going to play? Pepper's little sister?
>
> Hopefully th octopus in the big pile of fish that the
> other four explode.
>
> Elin
Hmmm - he's certainly talented enough to be almost anything (cf. Jakob the Liar,
Mrs Doubtfire) up to & including an octopus, but he looks all wrong for
Aziraphael. And I've never seen him play an English-type. The fast-talking
DJ-persona is not approprate for the angel. He doesn't seem much like a Crowley,
either. OTOH, he's done a wide range of parts, mainly "eccentric" characters
(read: loonies), and Aziraphael would only require a major
shape-change/face-replacement to enter the repertoire...
Ash
Graycat
Correct, he's the singer/front figure of U2. Fairly famous for his
charity work with third world countries. I have no idea whether he can
act or not, beyond what's required for a music video.
Elin
Jeff C
planning is off again. It seems that Terry Giliam needs to raise some
more money or something, so he's going off to make another movie.
Pterry still has nothing to do with it...
--
Jeff C
RLHD
Stephen Taylor
<grayca...@hotmail.com> writes
Got a video of U2 on their Zoo TV tour (about 8 years ago?) and at one
point he does a little monologue while dressed as a devil: cute little
satin horns, red smoking jacket, slightly camp delivery. It could work.
Steve840750530
Seriously, if the 'proper' talent can't be lined up, the right director given
enough freedom, correct finance arranged etc. then the project should be
abandoned. If it is done badly it will only harm our favorite authors
reputation and make him harder to 'sell' to our friends. Can you imagine trying
to convince anyone that, in his early days, Stephen King could write a half
decent book if they have just seen any of the films made of them?
I would exempt Redemption & Stand By Me from the above but the short stories on
which they are based are still better than the films.
Steve
Somebody Else
> >>>>Bono as Crowley?
> >>>
> >>> People keep mentioning Bono. I'm out of the loop - the only Bono I
know
> >>> of is Sonny Bono, who used to be married to Cher.
> >>>
> >>Irish bloke who wears sunglasses a lot. I think he's in U2. I didn't
> >>know he could act.
> >
> >Correct, he's the singer/front figure of U2. Fairly famous for his
> >charity work with third world countries. I have no idea whether he can
> >act or not, beyond what's required for a music video.
> >
> >Elin
>
> Got a video of U2 on their Zoo TV tour (about 8 years ago?) and at one
> point he does a little monologue while dressed as a devil: cute little
> satin horns, red smoking jacket, slightly camp delivery. It could work.
>
>
> --
> SJT Librarian, Bass player and furry person
>
later described by its lead actor, Mel Gibson as being the dullest thing he
has ever seen in his life, or something similar) Bono produced, wrote and
did the soundtrack for the film. I haven't seen it myself. The only other
major screen role he has really had was in the 1999 film Entropy, playing
himself.
James Morrissey
Harrison Ford is at $58 million and rising - and we all know the last good
film he made was raiders of the lost ark.
JQM
Sherilyn
Steve840750530 <steve84...@aol.com> wrote:
> abandoned. If it is done badly it will only harm our favorite authors
> reputation and make him harder to 'sell' to our friends.
'Sell' to our friends? Good grief, they're just authors. Do we need to bore
our friends rigid banging on about our personal tastes in literature?
--
Sherilyn
Diane L.
Sherilyn <sher...@suespammers.org> wrote in message
news:slrnadkbef....@happy.sherilyn.org.uk...
No, but some of us like to share things we enjoy with our friends, in
the hope that they'll enjoy them too. If you're boring them rigid you're
probably going about it the wrong way.
Diane L.
Ash
> 'Sell' to our friends? Good grief, they're just authors. Do we need to bore
> our friends rigid banging on about our personal tastes in literature?
>
> --
> Sherilyn
Enter Constable Visit...
Sherilyn
Ash <ashl...@bridgesm1.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> "Sherilyn" wrote...
>
>> 'Sell' to our friends? Good grief, they're just authors. Do we need to bore
>> our friends rigid banging on about our personal tastes in literature?
>
>
Hmmm, Omnianism as the, er, more committed side of fandom. I can buy
that. :)
--
Sherilyn "lightning conductor recommended"
gra...@affordable-leather.co.ukdeletethis
On 9 May 2002 12:01:34 GMT, Sherilyn <sher...@suespammers.org> wrote:
>>> 'Sell' to our friends? Good grief, they're just authors. Do we need to bore
>>> our friends rigid banging on about our personal tastes in literature?
>> Enter Constable Visit...
>>
>Hmmm, Omnianism as the, er, more committed side of fandom. I can buy
>that. :)
Visit the knowlessmen with copies of Pterry's works?
Cheers,
Graham.
Sherilyn
<gra...@affordable-leather.co.ukDELETETHIS> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> On 9 May 2002 12:01:34 GMT, Sherilyn <sher...@suespammers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>Hmmm, Omnianism as the, er, more committed side of fandom. I can buy
>>that. :)
>
> Visit the knowlessmen with copies of Pterry's works?
>
--
Sherilyn
andrew...@stealthmunchkin.fsnet.co.uk
given
> enough freedom, correct finance arranged etc. then the project should be
> abandoned. If it is done badly it will only harm our favorite authors
> reputation and make him harder to 'sell' to our friends. Can you imagine
trying
> to convince anyone that, in his early days, Stephen King could write a
half
> decent book if they have just seen any of the films made of them?
Yeah - if the film in question was The Dead Zone, The Shining or The
Shawshank Redemption ;)
--
http://www.stealthmunchkin.com
Upcoming Stealth Munchkin gigs - The Collective, Wigan,18 May.
"The 'Cat Satisfaction Survey' album contains some beautifully charming
songs"- Caroline Morris, Herd magazine
Sherilyn
<andrew...@stealthmunchkin.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
[...]
>> reputation and make him harder to 'sell' to our friends. Can you imagine
> trying
>> to convince anyone that, in his early days, Stephen King could write a
> half
>> decent book if they have just seen any of the films made of them?
>
>
> Yeah - if the film in question was The Dead Zone, The Shining or The
> Shawshank Redemption ;)
Not forgetting that Carrie(1976) picked up two Oscar nominations and is
often listed up there with Rosemary's Baby as one of the greats of movie
horror.
--
Sherilyn
Steve840750530
Stokers Now we are Six?
My original point was, and is, a bad film can damage an authors reputation even
though he had nothing to do with it. Bright Lights, Big City is a very good
first novel but I doubt that I ever would have read it had I seen the Michael J
Fox film first.
Steve
PS In The Shinning Jack Nicholson was apparently told to go for an acting style
"beyond realism". The obvious conclusion is that beyond realism exists a land
with more ham than Hogswatch night.
Sherilyn
Steve840750530 <steve84...@aol.com> wrote:
[...]
>
> My original point was, and is, a bad film can damage an authors
> reputation even though he had nothing to do with it.
Yep, you have a point there, though I got carried away with your example
because in my opinion Stephen King has been extraordinarily well served
by movies (despite all the folklore).
As it happens, I don't think it's as bad as all that. People who read
books for real aren't going to be put off by crap films, and even a very
crap film that makes it to general release will give an author a lot of
exposure.
And Terry Pratchett could well be the best known popular genre author
since Stephen King.
[...]
--
Sherilyn
gra...@affordable-leather.co.ukdeletethis
On 09 May 2002 23:14:14 GMT, steve84...@aol.com (Steve840750530)
wrote:
>PS In The Shinning Jack Nicholson was apparently told to go for an acting style
>"beyond realism". The obvious conclusion is that beyond realism exists a land
>with more ham than Hogswatch night.
"What's Jack Nicholson doing in this film?"
"Overacting as usual"
- Mad Magazine
Cheers,
Graham.
Christina Waldeck
Plus, RW is much too old by now. I would imagine Crowley looking 25-35,
while Aziraphale 30-45 years old. ok, all my opinion. If I had a say in
the casting, I'd suggest Brad Pitt (from Fight Club) as Crowley. Or
James Masters (the vampire Spike from Buffy).
For the angel... hm... probably Hugh Grant (from The Englishman Who Went
Up a Hill But Came Down a Mountain).
Oh anyway. Let's not turn this into a longwinded Casting Thread.
Just hoping that we wont see Robin Williams in a lead role. He can do
good acting if they let him (see Awakenings); but he's been typecasted
into the same role so often in recent years, it's sickening. And Zira
needs a good British accent.
Christina