film scripts
nothing
script , or have you ever tried to get one of your books
turned into a film.
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Poppy Z. Brite
>Hey Poppy have you ever thought about writing a film
>script , or have you ever tried to get one of your books
>turned into a film.
Funny you should ask, as I'm currently talking to some people about the
possibility of a LOST SOULS movie. This is Hollywood, though, so I won;t
believe anything until the money's in my bank account and the movie's on the
screen.
PZB
Mélanie Fazi
>Funny you should ask, as I'm currently talking to some people about the
possibility of a LOST SOULS movie. This is Hollywood, though, so I won;t
believe anything until the money's in my bank account and the movie's on the
screen.
I can't help being worried at the thought of Hollywood taking control of
Ghost. Nobody here seems to agree when it comes to choosing the perfect
actor to play Ghost, so what will the Hollywood guys do to him, I wonder.
Melanie
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TalulaFrusciante
>Funny you should ask, as I'm currently talking to some people about the
>possibility of a LOST SOULS movie.
Ya know I think that would be really cool. But the actors would have to be
selected so carfully. Only.... ONLY you could select them. I think maybe
unknown actors would be good. Because seeing Tom Cruise playing Zillah or
something would make me cry!
Are you going to pick the actors Poppy?
And did you ever thing of using unknown actors?
(if so can I audition... opps sorry just thinking outloud.. bad Talula)
~Talula
WhoShotJR
> Poppy Z. Brite wrote:
>
> >Funny you should ask, as I'm currently talking to some people about the
> possibility of a LOST SOULS movie. This is Hollywood, though, so I won;t
> believe anything until the money's in my bank account and the movie's on the
> screen.
>
> I can't help being worried at the thought of Hollywood taking control of
> Ghost. Nobody here seems to agree when it comes to choosing the perfect
> actor to play Ghost, so what will the Hollywood guys do to him, I wonder.
They'll make him Ghostina and cast Jennifer Love Hewitt.
Poppy Z. Brite
>Ya know I think that would be really cool. But the actors would have to be
>selected so carfully. Only.... ONLY you could select them. I think maybe
>unknown actors would be good. Because seeing Tom Cruise playing Zillah or
>something would make me cry!
>Are you going to pick the actors Poppy?
>And did you ever thing of using unknown actors?
No, there's no way that I would have no control over the casting or anything
else. Besides, I seldom see movies and don't know (or care) anything about
actors.
And please (not picking on you, Talula, just addressing a complaint I often get
from fans), no crying about how Hollywood will "ruin" the book. No matter what
Hollywood does, the book will still be there, unchanged.
PZB
Poppy Z. Brite
>No, there's no way that I would have no control over the casting or anything
>else. Besides, I seldom see movies and don't know (or care) anything about
>actors.
Left in an extra "no." It should read, "There's no way that I would have
control over the casting or anything else." Even if I wanted that kind of
headache, Hollywood generally doesn't want writers involved with their movies.
I'm sure you've heard the one about the Polish starlet auditioning for the big
role ...
PZB
TalulaFrusciante
>no crying about how Hollywood will "ruin" the book. No matter what
>Hollywood does, the book will still be there, unchanged.
No I know that. They could do whatever they want to it and the book will still
be there. I know.
I actually think it would be cool to see it turned into a movie.
Like you said no matter what the book will always be there.
~Talula
Neo Nervosa
accurate to have him in the role.
Eden
The wise man can pick up a grain of sand and envision a whole universe. But the
stupid man will just lie down on some seaweed and roll around until he's
completely draped in it. Then he'll stand up and go, "Hey, I'm Vine Man."
Mélanie Fazi
>No I know that. They could do whatever they want to it and the book will
still
>be there. I know.
>I actually think it would be cool to see it turned into a movie.
>Like you said no matter what the book will always be there.
I totally agree with you, but there's a little ting that bugs me. What if
they make it into a crap movie that will make people who haven't read 'Lost
Souls' think that if the movie is so bad, then the book can't be any good?
Ever thought of that?
Poppy Z. Brite
>I totally agree with you, but there's a little ting that bugs me. What if
>they make it into a crap movie that will make people who haven't read 'Lost
>Souls' think that if the movie is so bad, then the book can't be any good?
>Ever thought of that?
>
>Melanie
Well, they'll just have to pay me enough to make it worth risking that
possibility. ;>
PZB
TalulaFrusciante
>>No I know that. They could do whatever they want to it and the book will
>still
>>be there. I know.
>>I actually think it would be cool to see it turned into a movie.
>>Like you said no matter what the book will always be there.
>
>I totally agree with you, but there's a little ting that bugs me. What if
>they make it into a crap movie that will make people who haven't read 'Lost
>Souls' think that if the movie is so bad, then the book can't be any good?
>Ever thought of that?
Sure, but that will be there lose now wont it?
~Talula
Mélanie Fazi
>Well, they'll just have to pay me enough to make it worth risking that
>possibility. ;>
That's a good point. You win. ;-P
Larry, the Other White Meat
neone...@aol.com (Neo Nervosa) wrote:
>They would have to cast Jonathan Rhys Meyers as Zillah. It would be scarily
>accurate to have him in the role.
>Eden
>
I always get Jonathan Rhys-Meyers and JOnathan Rhys-Davis confused . . .
Two of my friends have deadly crushes on that boy. Well, I think their
crushes are aimed more at his ass, than at him personally.
Larry --
"You are all a Lost Generation."
-- Gertrude Stein
ICQ No. 37523426
.
Neo Nervosa wrote:
>
> They would have to cast Jonathan Rhys Meyers as Zillah. It would be scarily
> accurate to have him in the role.
> Eden
>
> The wise man can pick up a grain of sand and envision a whole universe. But the
> stupid man will just lie down on some seaweed and roll around until he's
> completely draped in it. Then he'll stand up and go, "Hey, I'm Vine Man."
>
The boy lacks any level of malevolence, Steerpike or no.
nothingv
> Hey Poppy have you ever thought about writing a film
> script , or have you ever tried to get one of your books
> turned into a film.
>
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why dont all of you pick on *this* "nothing", for instance?
jesus. her posts are terribly constructed. i might not use a hell of a lot of punctuation, but at least im coherent, etc. & the substance? well, it leaves a
lot to be desired.
maybe her innocence & boot-licking has got you all intrigued. thats cool.
s/he's harmless though. thats good for the group. heh
--
nothing
i sometimes think i am controlled by someone.
some space invader is invading my inner
space, some fucking joker. but hes not
from out there. hes from in here.
--- martin amis
nothingv
> nothing wrote:
>
> >Hey Poppy have you ever thought about writing a film
> >script , or have you ever tried to get one of your books
> >turned into a film.
>
> Funny you should ask, as I'm currently talking to some people about the
> possibility of a LOST SOULS movie. This is Hollywood, though, so I won;t
> believe anything until the money's in my bank account and the movie's on the
> screen.
>
> PZB
do you want there to be a film?
i really cant imagine any justice being done.
Poppy Z. Brite
>jesus. her posts are terribly constructed. i might not use a hell of a lot of
>punctuation, but at least im coherent, etc. & the substance? well, it leaves
>a
>lot to be desired.
>maybe her innocence & boot-licking has got you all intrigued. thats cool.
>s/he's harmless though. thats good for the group. heh
>
>
>
>--
>nothing
See, this is what I don't understand. Molly, Cliff, Jason, JR and co. have
certainly teased you, and you have every right to tease back. But this Nothing
(a he, BTW -- Nigel) hasn't even spoken to you. Why insult him and call him
names? And why does asking an on-topic question qualify as "boot-licking"?
Maybe now you think I'm an asshole too, just for asking. But I'd really like
to know.
PZB
TalulaFrusciante
>See, this is what I don't understand. Molly, Cliff, Jason, JR and co. have
>certainly teased you, and you have every right to tease back. But this
>Nothing
>(a he, BTW -- Nigel) hasn't even spoken to you. Why insult him and call him
>names?
I think its one of those things like when a child is being picked on in school
and they won't fight back but they go home and pick on their younger siblings
(someone innocent)
I dunno just a thought *shrug*
~Talula
Poppy Z. Brite
>do you want there to be a film?
>i really cant imagine any justice being done.
Are we to talk civilly, then? Good.
I wouldn't mind there being a film. Emotionally I'm far enough away from LOST
SOULS that I'd be curious to see what the filmmakers would do with it, even if
they weren't 100% faithful to the book. And I *do* have an increasingly large
family to support, if you get my drift.
PZB
nothingv
> >why dont all of you pick on *this* "nothing", for instance?
> >jesus. her posts are terribly constructed. i might not use a hell of a lot of
> >punctuation, but at least im coherent, etc. & the substance? well, it leaves
> >a
> >lot to be desired.
> >maybe her innocence & boot-licking has got you all intrigued. thats cool.
> >s/he's harmless though. thats good for the group. heh
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >nothing
>
> See, this is what I don't understand. Molly, Cliff, Jason, JR and co. have
> certainly teased you, and you have every right to tease back. But this Nothing
> (a he, BTW -- Nigel) hasn't even spoken to you. Why insult him and call him
> names? And why does asking an on-topic question qualify as "boot-licking"?
there was no name-calling, really.
im picking up on things that *i* got tons of shit about, but which go unnoticed
when posted by someone other than me. it might be some defenses that have been
built up lately. call me human.
as to the unfairness of me pointing out a few unsavoury characteristics of nigel,
he doesnt deserve it. & again, i have nothing against him. cant say i really did
anything to warrant all the shit coming my way either, so isnt that kind of how it
goes?
hey, maybe ive been here long enough now, & im getting the bug. initiation rights
or something, you know?
> Maybe now you think I'm an asshole too, just for asking. But I'd really like
> to know.
>
> PZB
to be fair, youve havent commented much at all when it comes to posts that i was
involved in, which ended up mainly being a lot of bickering between me & the
others, so i cant really blame you for not feigning interest.
but see...geez. i know ive said this a thousand times already, but the thing is
that im not picking any fights. this is playground bullshit & im telling you who
started it. it wasnt me. even when i try to let it all go, & ignore it, it
continues to be brought up. im game for it, you know? it doesnt hurt me.
it does kind of get exasperating to constantly be looked at as the enemy when ive
made plenty of attempts to play nice, & the fact that i never said anything rude or
mean to anyone in the first place.
its okay though. if thats how it is, then thats that.
nothingv
> Poppy Z. Brite wrote:
> >See, this is what I don't understand. Molly, Cliff, Jason, JR and co. have
> >certainly teased you, and you have every right to tease back. But this
> >Nothing
> >(a he, BTW -- Nigel) hasn't even spoken to you. Why insult him and call him
> >names?
>
> I think its one of those things like when a child is being picked on in school
> and they won't fight back but they go home and pick on their younger siblings
> (someone innocent)
> I dunno just a thought *shrug*
>
> ~Talula
welcome to alt.books.poppy-z-brite.
nothingv
> nothingv wrote:
>
> >do you want there to be a film?
> >i really cant imagine any justice being done.
>
> Are we to talk civilly, then? Good.
fuck!
damn, you know, even after all the fucking abuse ive taken from the people here,
ive been willing to talk civilly, & ive made plenty of attempts!
id love to talk civilly.
hell, i dont even mind arguments [discussions, in my book] as long as everyone
involved is able to stay away from the stupid ad hominem attacks. thats all ive
been saying the whole damn time.
> I wouldn't mind there being a film. Emotionally I'm far enough away from LOST
> SOULS that I'd be curious to see what the filmmakers would do with it, even if
> they weren't 100% faithful to the book. And I *do* have an increasingly large
> family to support, if you get my drift.
>
> PZB
well, sure. i get that. i know im being silly.
the truth is, "lost souls" really affected me. its like disappearing or hiding
under warm water. i admit im curious as to what a film would be like, & make no
mistake - id be first in line. i just cant shake the idea that it would be
tarnished & molested by the screen & all that. silly. i know. but its my initial
response.
i remember feeling a similar way when a lot of talk was going on about an "on the
road" film.
Poppy Z. Brite
>to be fair, youve havent commented much at all when it comes to posts that i
>was
>involved in, which ended up mainly being a lot of bickering between me & the
>others, so i cant really blame you for not feigning interest.
It's not that I haven't been interested; it's that I am reluctant to seem as if
I'm trying to "police" things around here. Contrary to what you suggested in
another post, I don't want to be "God" on this newsgroup or anywhere else.
Unless I'm answering a direct question about my work, I don't consider my posts
here any more or less authoritative than anyone else's. I probably shouldn't
have jumped in yesterday, either, but I was in a bad mood and I really didn't
think Jason was being a "twat" in that particular post. In fact, I thought he
was teasing you in a rather good-natured way. But Jason doesn't need me to
defend him, and none of you need my approval to talk about anything. End of
sermon.
PZB
nothingv
> nothingv wrote:
>
> >to be fair, youve havent commented much at all when it comes to posts that i
> >was
> >involved in, which ended up mainly being a lot of bickering between me & the
> >others, so i cant really blame you for not feigning interest.
>
> It's not that I haven't been interested; it's that I am reluctant to seem as if
> I'm trying to "police" things around here. Contrary to what you suggested in
> another post, I don't want to be "God" on this newsgroup or anywhere else.
that isnt what i meant. it merely seems apparent to me that that is how everyone
else interpreted that particular post which you directed at me. it seems obvious
from their responses that they considered you were taking sides.
> Unless I'm answering a direct question about my work, I don't consider my posts
> here any more or less authoritative than anyone else's. I probably shouldn't
> have jumped in yesterday, either, but I was in a bad mood and I really didn't
> think Jason was being a "twat" in that particular post. In fact, I thought he
> was teasing you in a rather good-natured way.
hey, if jason has ever been "good natured" in his teasing towards me, then i dont
know about it. it doesnt read that way, & upon my taking offense, he has never
pointed out that he was being "good natured". so you might be giving him a bit more
credit than he deserves.
> But Jason doesn't need me to
> defend him, and none of you need my approval to talk about anything. End of
> sermon.
>
> PZB
ill take it into consideration, but jason has never shown any signs of civility
towards me. until he does, i suppose i just have to go w/my gut instinct, which is
that he is being an asshole [to me].
Poppy Z. Brite
>> Are we to talk civilly, then? Good.
>
>fuck!
>damn, you know, even after all the fucking abuse ive taken from the people
>here,
>ive been willing to talk civilly, & ive made plenty of attempts!
I was referring solely to you and me. Just please don't call me "God." I
didn't like that.
> i just cant shake the idea that it would be
>tarnished & molested by the screen & all that. silly. i know. but its my
>initial
>response.
>i remember feeling a similar way when a lot of talk was going on about an "on
>the
>road" film.
I was similarly wary when I heard they were making a film of NAKED LUNCH, but I
ended up really liking it (though I wish Cronenberg hadn't ditched so much of
the queer content).
And BTW, even though we've obviously pissed each other off a bit, I owe you
thanks for keeping me occupied for so much of this dreadful
Friday-before-Mardi-Gras. So, thanks.
PZB
nothingv
> nothingv wrote:
>
> >> Are we to talk civilly, then? Good.
> >
> >fuck!
> >damn, you know, even after all the fucking abuse ive taken from the people
> >here,
> >ive been willing to talk civilly, & ive made plenty of attempts!
>
> I was referring solely to you and me. Just please don't call me "God." I
> didn't like that.
look. sorry, alright?
it isnt what i meant.
> > i just cant shake the idea that it would be
> >tarnished & molested by the screen & all that. silly. i know. but its my
> >initial
> >response.
> >i remember feeling a similar way when a lot of talk was going on about an "on
> >the
> >road" film.
>
> I was similarly wary when I heard they were making a film of NAKED LUNCH, but I
> ended up really liking it (though I wish Cronenberg hadn't ditched so much of
> the queer content).
well, theres a few bits that are really disturbing. i think ive only watched it
twice, & it was awhile ago. there are 2 parts that make me sort of cringe. since
its been awhile, im having a difficult time trying to describe them accurately.
> And BTW, even though we've obviously pissed each other off a bit, I owe you
> thanks for keeping me occupied for so much of this dreadful
> Friday-before-Mardi-Gras. So, thanks.
>
> PZB
im not pissed off. it wasnt you that i was pissed off w/. i think its just the
whole situation. i keep thinking about tomorrow morning when ill sign on & see all
the new posts by everyone & how theyre going to even talk more shit about me then,
but hey. ill just try to ignore them. heh.
& uh... im glad to have kept you occupied. & i dont mean to make you feel bad when
i say that youve kept me up. i work third shift at a place i hate, & this is the
middle of the night for me. im losing sleep as we speak. heh.
off to the land of nod,
Neo Nervosa
> accurate to have him in the role.
> Eden>>
<< The boy lacks any level of malevolence, Steerpike or no.>>
No. In 'The Disappearance of Finbar' and Michael Collins' and apparently
'Titus' he plays malevolent little bastards to quite an effect. Gormenghast was
just generally awful...and I also like to point out that he used my evil laugh
in that without my permission. You would think I'd have noticed him following
me around with a tape recorder for weeks of 'research'.
Poppy Z. Brite
>Which of your novels would you most like to see, and/or would translate
>best to a movie?
>
>Peter
Except for the obvious financial advantages, I really haven't thought about it
that much. I don't think much about films in general. It's an interesting
thing to ponder, but I can't choose one. Sometimes I think they're all
unfilmable, each for different reasons. But I admit I'd love to sell the
option to any one of them, and I'd at least be interested to see how it was
filmed.
How's that for a vague answer? ;>
PZB
Peter
>
> nothing wrote:
>
> >Hey Poppy have you ever thought about writing a film
> >script , or have you ever tried to get one of your books
> >turned into a film.
>
> Funny you should ask, as I'm currently talking to some people about the
> possibility of a LOST SOULS movie.
Which of your novels would you most like to see, and/or would translate
best to a movie?
Peter
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>
> Poppy Z. Brite wrote:
>
> believe anything until the money's in my bank account and the movie's on the
> screen.
> I can't help being worried at the thought of Hollywood taking control of
> Ghost. Nobody here seems to agree when it comes to choosing the perfect
> actor to play Ghost, so what will the Hollywood guys do to him, I wonder.
I think Wes Bentley would be good, better than playing Lestat. We got
some Jonathan Rhys-Meyers action for Zillah, someone appropriately
corn-fed to play Steve, Juliette Lewis to play Anne... hey, if
Trainspotting and Naked Lunch can make it to the screen, this totally
has a shot.
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>
> Neo Nervosa wrote:
> >
> > They would have to cast Jonathan Rhys Meyers as Zillah. It would be scarily
> > accurate to have him in the role.
Oh, I dunno...he could play Zillah as all decadent and spoiled and shit
and get over as the world's most insensitive libertine. Steve is giving
me more problems at the moment.
Letterbomb
>> Funny you should ask, as I'm currently talking to some people about the
>> possibility of a LOST SOULS movie. This is Hollywood, though, so I won;t
>> believe anything until the money's in my bank account and the movie's on the
>> screen.
Score a cameo. This would a Good Thing.
Letterbomb
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Letterbomb
wrote:
>I think Wes Bentley would be good, better than playing Lestat. We got
>some Jonathan Rhys-Meyers action for Zillah, someone appropriately
>corn-fed to play Steve, Juliette Lewis to play Anne... hey, if
>Trainspotting and Naked Lunch can make it to the screen, this totally
>has a shot.
RE: Ghost, what about an underweight and bleached Jude Law?
I always pictured Ghost with a degree of
lost-and-needing-to-be-cuddled in him, though, which Law doesn't
exactly have. Someone who's just on the cusp of adulthood, and has a
childlike bearing and demeanour would be better, but I can't think of
one for the life of me.
Radical idea. Get a female actor to play him. Someone boyish.
JHodges611
>
>"Mélanie Fazi" wrote:
>
>> Poppy Z. Brite wrote:
>>
>> >Funny you should ask, as I'm currently talking to some people about the
>> possibility of a LOST SOULS movie. This is Hollywood, though, so I won;t
>> believe anything until the money's in my bank account and the movie's on
>the
>> screen.
>>
>> I can't help being worried at the thought of Hollywood taking control of
>> Ghost. Nobody here seems to agree when it comes to choosing the perfect
>> actor to play Ghost, so what will the Hollywood guys do to him, I wonder.
>
> They'll make him Ghostina and cast Jennifer Love Hewitt.
>
I think that would cause a lot of stabbings. I know I'd be picking up a knife.
Blessed Be,
Jason Hodges
http://members.aol.com/JHodges611/me.html
JHodges611
>
>Talula wrote:
>
>>Ya know I think that would be really cool. But the actors would have to be
>>selected so carfully. Only.... ONLY you could select them. I think maybe
>>unknown actors would be good. Because seeing Tom Cruise playing Zillah or
>>something would make me cry!
>>Are you going to pick the actors Poppy?
>>And did you ever thing of using unknown actors?
>
>No, there's no way that I would have no control over the casting or anything
>else. Besides, I seldom see movies and don't know (or care) anything about
>actors.
>
>And please (not picking on you, Talula, just addressing a complaint I often
>get
>from fans), no crying about how Hollywood will "ruin" the book. No matter
>what
>Hollywood does, the book will still be there, unchanged.
>
>PZB
I like to think of movies as cover songs.
JHodges611
> In fact, I thought he
>was teasing you in a rather good-natured way.
I was, not that it matters.
And I have no hard feelings for anybody here. I really don't. There is only
one, and we all know who that person is. We all do.
JHodges611
>hey, if jason has ever been "good natured" in his teasing towards me, then i
>dont
>know about it. it doesnt read that way, & upon my taking offense, he has
>never>pointed out that he was being "good natured". so you might be giving him
a
>bit more
>credit than he deserves.
>ill take it into consideration, but jason has never shown any signs of
>civility
>towards me. until he does, i suppose i just have to go w/my gut instinct,
>which is
>that he is being an asshole [to me].
Okay. I hate to tell you this, but you're wrong. Like I said in my previous
post, I have no hard feelings against anybody here but one. If you took it
that way, sorry. Nothing I can do about that.
I've teased and probed on occasion. But maybe you should ask yourself why you
are in so many people's killfile. Ever wonder about that?
There are many nice people here. You seemed to have upset a lot of them.
Look at your guy feeling again, hopefully it'll tell you there's nothing
hateful here. But if it does, I'm sorry. Not for anything I've said, but for
your gut feeling. You're a very reactive person, quick to snap at people who
disagree. That's how you read.
Neo Nervosa
Oh, I dunno...he could play Zillah as all decadent and spoiled and shit
and get over as the world's most insensitive libertine. Steve is giving
me more problems at the moment.>>
Yeah and they'd probably cast Keanu Reeves. Can you imagine that? He'd probably
try and do an accent too...
Letterbomb
>Oh, I dunno...he could play Zillah as all decadent and spoiled and shit
>and get over as the world's most insensitive libertine. Steve is giving
>me more problems at the moment.>>
>
>Yeah and they'd probably cast Keanu Reeves. Can you imagine that? He'd probably
>try and do an accent too...
Zillah don't say whoah.
nothingv
> Hell-o,
>
> >hey, if jason has ever been "good natured" in his teasing towards me, then i
> >dont
> >know about it. it doesnt read that way, & upon my taking offense, he has
> >never>pointed out that he was being "good natured". so you might be giving him
> a
> >bit more
> >credit than he deserves.
>
> >ill take it into consideration, but jason has never shown any signs of
> >civility
> >towards me. until he does, i suppose i just have to go w/my gut instinct,
> >which is
> >that he is being an asshole [to me].
>
> Okay. I hate to tell you this, but you're wrong. Like I said in my previous
> post, I have no hard feelings against anybody here but one. If you took it
> that way, sorry. Nothing I can do about that.
okay.
in my defense, though, there never were any blatantly considerate or even kind
replies, so i dont think i was just being defensive.
> I've teased and probed on occasion. But maybe you should ask yourself why you
> are in so many people's killfile. Ever wonder about that?
sure. ive even asked about that. ive traced it all back in my head, & basically, no
one really wanted to discuss anything. they just wanted to point fingers & make
accusations. cliff, for instance. talk about reactive. i dont claim to be innocent,
but i do think i made plenty of attempts at kindness. obvious kindness. maybe it
didnt come across any better than the good naturedness of your teasing, which would
make sense.
> There are many nice people here. You seemed to have upset a lot of them.
im telling you straight up, that it wasnt intentional. im fairly certain that i
didnt directly attack anyone until i was attacked. not that that makes it ok.
> Look at your guy feeling again, hopefully it'll tell you there's nothing
> hateful here. But if it does, I'm sorry. Not for anything I've said, but for
> your gut feeling. You're a very reactive person, quick to snap at people who
> disagree. That's how you read.
the thing is. is that that how i think most of you read. ive been more than willing
to speak at length on the topics that sparked the disagreements. i dont feel like
that willingness has been reciprocated. again, just my perspective.
anyway. i cant promise that im done trying to explain myself, but im done w/the
bickering & name calling, etc.
> Blessed Be,
>
> Jason Hodges
> http://members.aol.com/JHodges611/me.html
Cliff Evans
>
> On 04 Mar 2000 11:15:14 GMT, neone...@aol.com (Neo Nervosa) wrote:
> >Oh, I dunno...he could play Zillah as all decadent and spoiled and shit
> >and get over as the world's most insensitive libertine. Steve is giving
> >me more problems at the moment.>>
> >
> >Yeah and they'd probably cast Keanu Reeves. Can you imagine that? He'd probably
> >try and do an accent too...
>
> Zillah don't say whoah.
I thought they were talking about as Steve. Not that it matters, Keanu
doesn't say "y'all." At least, not if he knows what's good for him.
WhoShotJR
I always keep in mind that the movie is *not* the book on screen, but a
mixture of several people's interpretations of the book...that's how I keep from
getting a yuck feeling from good books that have been made into terrible
movies...
WhoShotJR
> "Poppy Z. Brite" wrote:
>
> > nothingv wrote:
> >
> > >to be fair, youve havent commented much at all when it comes to posts that i
> > >was
> > >involved in, which ended up mainly being a lot of bickering between me & the
> > >others, so i cant really blame you for not feigning interest.
> >
> > It's not that I haven't been interested; it's that I am reluctant to seem as if
> > I'm trying to "police" things around here. Contrary to what you suggested in
> > another post, I don't want to be "God" on this newsgroup or anywhere else.
>
> that isnt what i meant. it merely seems apparent to me that that is how everyone
> else interpreted that particular post which you directed at me. it seems obvious
> from their responses that they considered you were taking sides.
Ummm...she was, wasn't she? You called Jason a twat, she said she didn't think
that comment was necessary. Does that make her a god? No more than the rest of us
who've commented on your stupid bullshit talk. And before you willfully misinterpret
this, no I am not saying everybody who's ever responded negatively to your posts is a
god...fuck, there'd be no mortals!
.
Jim, you know you simply have to get used to the worship. I know, it's
hard, but you should be used to it by now, what with being leader and
godhead of your own church, What was it called again? Church Of Jim's
Big Tree?
Neo Nervosa
>
> On 04 Mar 2000 11:15:14 GMT, neone...@aol.com (Neo Nervosa) wrote:
> >Oh, I dunno...he could play Zillah as all decadent and spoiled and shit
> >and get over as the world's most insensitive libertine. Steve is giving
> >me more problems at the moment.>>
> >
> >Yeah and they'd probably cast Keanu Reeves. Can you imagine that? He'd
probably
> >try and do an accent too...
>
> Zillah don't say whoah.
I thought they were talking about as Steve. Not that it matters, Keanu
doesn't say "y'all." At least, not if he knows what's good for him.>>
I was talking about Steve. As for Ghost can you imagine the problem of casting
that. I just hope not Leonardo Dicaprio. I heard they're casting him as Dorian
Gray in a film of the book. I was a little distressed when I discovered of
plans to cast Sam Fox as Sybil Vane. Casting agents should take less drugs and
then maybe Tom Cruise wouldn't be allowed to work . Actually, name one good Tom
Cruise film.
JHodges611
Okay, I want a bumper sticker that says "Church of Jim's Big Tree."
WhoShotJR
> Jim, you know you simply have to get used to the worship. I know, it's
> hard, but you should be used to it by now, what with being leader and
> godhead of your own church, What was it called again? Church Of Jim's
> Big Tree?
Noooo...it was Church of Bubba...you remember who Bubba is, don't you?
Letterbomb
>I was talking about Steve. As for Ghost can you imagine the problem of casting
>that. I just hope not Leonardo Dicaprio. I heard they're casting him as Dorian
>Gray in a film of the book.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!
I actually think the man does have talent, but please God don't put
him in this.
Tell me the film isn't an updated retelling for today's youth market
with a hip soundtrack by some of today's hottest bands. Please?
.
> >Jim, you know you simply have to get used to the worship. I know, it's
> >hard, but you should be used to it by now, what with being leader and
> >godhead of your own church, What was it called again? Church Of Jim's
> >Big Tree?
> >
> >
>
> Okay, I want a bumper sticker that says "Church of Jim's Big Tree."
It will come with the pic in full color. It should cause a lot of
traffic tie-ups. Believe me, I've seen the pic in question.
Neo Nervosa
>I was talking about Steve. As for Ghost can you imagine the problem of casting
>that. I just hope not Leonardo Dicaprio. I heard they're casting him as Dorian
>Gray in a film of the book.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!
I actually think the man does have talent, but please God don't put
him in this.
Tell me the film isn't an updated retelling for today's youth market
with a hip soundtrack by some of today's hottest bands. Please?
Letterbomb>>
I wouldn't bet against it
nothingv
> <<Letterbomb wrote:
> >
> > On 04 Mar 2000 11:15:14 GMT, neone...@aol.com (Neo Nervosa) wrote:
> > >Oh, I dunno...he could play Zillah as all decadent and spoiled and shit
> > >and get over as the world's most insensitive libertine. Steve is giving
> > >me more problems at the moment.>>
> > >
> > >Yeah and they'd probably cast Keanu Reeves. Can you imagine that? He'd
> probably
> > >try and do an accent too...
> >
> > Zillah don't say whoah.
>
> I thought they were talking about as Steve. Not that it matters, Keanu
> doesn't say "y'all." At least, not if he knows what's good for him.>>
>
> I was talking about Steve. As for Ghost can you imagine the problem of casting
> that. I just hope not Leonardo Dicaprio. I heard they're casting him as Dorian
> Gray in a film of the book. I was a little distressed when I discovered of
> plans to cast Sam Fox as Sybil Vane. Casting agents should take less drugs and
> then maybe Tom Cruise wouldn't be allowed to work . Actually, name one good Tom
> Cruise film.
> Eden
>
> The wise man can pick up a grain of sand and envision a whole universe. But the
> stupid man will just lie down on some seaweed and roll around until he's
> completely draped in it. Then he'll stand up and go, "Hey, I'm Vine Man."
>
well, i havent seen the recent kubrick one, "eyes wide shut", but ive heard its
pretty good. im waiting until they come out w/an unedited version on video or
something.
magdalen
>>>Actually, name one good Tom Cruise film.
Urrm...
Legend. :)
~magdalene
--
"when faced with my demons, I feed them and clothe them."
:::to reply, exorcise the demon:::
http://www.manifest-angel.com/magdalene
Neo Nervosa
>
>>>>Actually, name one good Tom Cruise film.
>
>Urrm...
>Legend. :)
>
>
Top Gun!!!!, and the NASCAR ode to Top Gun, Days of Thunder.
Larry --
Actually, did anyone read that Don Simpson biography. When they performed his
autopsy it was easier to test which drugs *weren't* in his system. He also had
a bizarre fetish for pissing on call girls.
Larry, the Other White Meat
<magd...@gateway.net> wrote:
>Neo Nervosa tapped out in Morse code:
>
>>>>Actually, name one good Tom Cruise film.
>
>Urrm...
>Legend. :)
>
>
Top Gun!!!!, and the NASCAR ode to Top Gun, Days of Thunder.
Larry --
"You are all a Lost Generation."
-- Gertrude Stein
ICQ No. 37523426
Zillah269
>possibility of a LOST SOULS movie.
One can only hope that with Poppy's input into the film, it won't be dreadful,
as "American Psycho" promises to be.
Kimberly, who's going to go protest the Diallo verdict right now, and only
slightly scared of cops...then again, I'm not a young black male, so I probably
don't have anything to worry about.
"If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention"
Neo Nervosa
dreadful,
as "American Psycho" promises to be.>>
However bad American Psycho the film is, just rememeber - They were going to
cast Leonardo Dicaprio as Patrick Bateman.
I just started re-reading American Psycho for about the 15th time. Anyone who
hasn't read it really should. I was speaking to someone the other day who
didn't find the novel at all funny. It's a morbid comedy classic in my eyes.
JHodges611
Cool.
Poppy Z. Brite
>One can only hope that with Poppy's input into the film, it won't be
>dreadful,
>as "American Psycho" promises to be.
I can't promise that I will have any input. In some ways, I'd almost rather
not, because there will inevitably be compromises anyway and I'm not sure I
could deal with actually having to make them.. It's like what Neil Gaiman said
about having your work made into film: being forced to cut your own baby's
fingers off versus just selling the kid to somebody else and letting them do
the cutting.
PZB
HiRene23
>I think Wes Bentley would be good, better than playing Lestat. We got
>some Jonathan Rhys-Meyers action for Zillah, someone appropriately
>corn-fed to play Steve, Juliette Lewis to play Anne...
Oh god no.. please not Juliette Lewis. Anyone but her... Anne's life was sad
enough without having her brought to screen life by her.
I just finished Lost Souls while I was away this weekend. I feel like I just
scraped the surface and need to read it again. Some books just contain more
than one reading can digest.
As far as casting.. the only one that kept recurring while reading, was for
Steve. For some reason Steve was played by Ben Afleck in my mind. I think it
had to do with me recently seeing Good Will Hunting again recently. The
hard-ass with a soft spot for his best friend kinda thing.
Rene <gonna start Wormwood tonight>
Cliff Evans
>
> <<One can only hope that with Poppy's input into the film, it won't be
> dreadful,
> as "American Psycho" promises to be.>>
>
> cast Leonardo Dicaprio as Patrick Bateman.
> I just started re-reading American Psycho for about the 15th time. Anyone who
> hasn't read it really should. I was speaking to someone the other day who
> didn't find the novel at all funny. It's a morbid comedy classic in my eyes.
From what I've read, that's how it's being played. As a period piece, a
black comedy of manners. Shit, it can't be any darker than "Your Friends
& Neighbors" or "Swimming With Sharks."
Cliff Evans
> Casting agents should take less drugs and
> then maybe Tom Cruise wouldn't be allowed to work . Actually, name one good Tom
> Cruise film.
"Magnolia." Though it isn't really a Tom Cruise film per se. I must
admit, I was impressed with the little fucker, though. Even moreso than
as the schmendrick he played in "Eyes Wide Shut."
Cliff Evans
>
> >Funny you should ask, as I'm currently talking to some people about the
> >possibility of a LOST SOULS movie.
>
> as "American Psycho" promises to be.
I don't like to reverse myself too often, but I've read a couple of
interviews with Mary Herron and Guinevere Turner, and I'm beginning to
think that AP might not suck so much ass after all. I think they might
have actually gotten it. At least I'm interested enough to go see it
when it comes out.
> Kimberly, who's going to go protest the Diallo verdict right now, and only
> slightly scared of cops...then again, I'm not a young black male, so I probably
> don't have anything to worry about.
Yes, isn't it wonderful to be able to criticize people whose job you do
not do on behalf of people you cannot represent? What a country.
--
Cliff Evans
>
> Cliff:
> >I think Wes Bentley would be good, better than playing Lestat. We got
> >some Jonathan Rhys-Meyers action for Zillah, someone appropriately
> >corn-fed to play Steve, Juliette Lewis to play Anne...
>
> Oh god no.. please not Juliette Lewis. Anyone but her... Anne's life was sad
> enough without having her brought to screen life by her.
Can you tell that I'm not too sympathetic to Anne? >8-)
> I just finished Lost Souls while I was away this weekend. I feel like I just
> scraped the surface and need to read it again. Some books just contain more
> than one reading can digest.
I haven't read it since I read it the first time about 6 years ago (ye
gods!). Too painful to approach just yet.
> As far as casting.. the only one that kept recurring while reading, was for
> Steve. For some reason Steve was played by Ben Afleck in my mind. I think it
> had to do with me recently seeing Good Will Hunting again recently. The
> hard-ass with a soft spot for his best friend kinda thing.
I don't see Ben. Too smug in his roles, too successful an actor to take
that risk. I'm thinking a hunky unknown.
Neo Nervosa
I knew you someone would say that. And it doesn't count. Neither does 'Eyes
Wide Shut'. A load of people assumed it was good because Kubrick did it but
really it was quite dire. I'm also beginning to re-think my opinion of his
Clockwork Orange adaptation although I can't fault Malcolm MacDowall.
Neo Nervosa
& Neighbors">>
I love that film. I think for darkness you can't beat LaBute's other film 'In
The Company Of Men'. Now that was fucking cruel.
'I don't trust anything that bleeds for a week and doesn't die'. That final
scene was unnerving.
nothingv
> <<One can only hope that with Poppy's input into the film, it won't be
> dreadful,
> as "American Psycho" promises to be.>>
>
> However bad American Psycho the film is, just rememeber - They were going to
> cast Leonardo Dicaprio as Patrick Bateman.
> I just started re-reading American Psycho for about the 15th time. Anyone who
> hasn't read it really should. I was speaking to someone the other day who
> didn't find the novel at all funny. It's a morbid comedy classic in my eyes.
> Eden
>
> The wise man can pick up a grain of sand and envision a whole universe. But the
> stupid man will just lie down on some seaweed and roll around until he's
> completely draped in it. Then he'll stand up and go, "Hey, I'm Vine Man."
>
thats bret eaton ellis, isnt it?
ive started a couple of his novels & i just dont get the appeal. ive never picked
up "american psycho", & thats supposed to be his best [or so im told], so maybe i
should try it. i just dont think any of the other ones were well written or very
interesting at all. rich kid angst is how it came across to me.
WhoShotJR
> Cliff:
> >I think Wes Bentley would be good, better than playing Lestat. We got
> >some Jonathan Rhys-Meyers action for Zillah, someone appropriately
> >corn-fed to play Steve, Juliette Lewis to play Anne...
>
> Oh god no.. please not Juliette Lewis. Anyone but her... Anne's life was sad
> enough without having her brought to screen life by her.
I agree. Amen. Juliette Lewis makes every movie a chore...she was rather
convincing in The Other Sister though...
> I just finished Lost Souls while I was away this weekend. I feel like I just
> scraped the surface and need to read it again. Some books just contain more
> than one reading can digest.
I keep trying to reread Lost Souls and I just can't do it. EC and The Lazarus
Heart are the only two PZB books I can still read all the way through...not that I
don't like Lost Souls, I guess I've just grown out of it...or maybe I'm just
liking shorter novels these days...I'm gonna try to reread The Valley of Horses
(600+ pages, if I remember correctly) this week, so we'll see...used to be I could
read two of those books a week, but now I'm lucky if I can get through one book
half as long...
> As far as casting.. the only one that kept recurring while reading, was for
> Steve. For some reason Steve was played by Ben Afleck in my mind. I think it
> had to do with me recently seeing Good Will Hunting again recently. The
> hard-ass with a soft spot for his best friend kinda thing.
I don't know about Ben Affleck. He's got a huge head, and I don't know if he
could be a good redneck. Hmmm...maybe...he did alright in Dazed and
Confused...his brother Casey can be seen these days sporting a (bad) blond wig in
Drowning Mona...he has Ghost potential, I think...
WhoShotJR
> <<"Magnolia." Though it isn't really a Tom Cruise film per se.>>
>
> I knew you someone would say that. And it doesn't count. Neither does 'Eyes
> Wide Shut'. A load of people assumed it was good because Kubrick did it but
> really it was quite dire. I'm also beginning to re-think my opinion of his
> Clockwork Orange adaptation although I can't fault Malcolm MacDowall.
My opinion goes back and forth on Eyes Wide Shut. If it was really meant to be
a dream, then I think it was well done. If the "it's all a dream" theory is just
us Kubrick fans trying to spin straw into gold, then the movie kinda blows. I'll
have to get it when it comes out on DVD before I can decide.
Poppy Z. Brite
>ive started a couple of his novels & i just dont get the appeal. ive never
>picked
>up "american psycho", & thats supposed to be his best [or so im told], so
>maybe i
>should try it. i just dont think any of the other ones were well written or
>very
>interesting at all. rich kid angst is how it came across to me.
>
>
>
>--
>nothing
My opinions of Bret Easton Ellis:
LESS THAN ZERO was pretty crappy.
AMERICAN PSYCHO was satirical genius.
I haven't read GLAMORAMA.
And I think that comprises his ouevre. He's an even lower-output guy than I
am.
PZB
Neo Nervosa
I thought Glamorama was a little too referential. I really don't want to be
reminded about Tara Palmer Tompkinson and Pasty Palmer half way through a
novel. Glamorama is all the most irritating parts of American Psycho eg. the
endless listing of designer outfits and the chapters about MOR rock groups
enhanced amd expanded. That said it's pretty good all the same.
Cliff Evans
>
> <<"Magnolia." Though it isn't really a Tom Cruise film per se.>>
>
> I knew you someone would say that. And it doesn't count. Neither does 'Eyes
> Wide Shut'. A load of people assumed it was good because Kubrick did it but
> really it was quite dire. I'm also beginning to re-think my opinion of his
> Clockwork Orange adaptation although I can't fault Malcolm MacDowall.
I didn't think "Eyes Wide Shut" was *dire*..."Spawn" was dire. "Austin
Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me" was dire. "Eyes Wide Shut" was pretty
good, and while that's low praise for Kubrick, it was still better than
most of the dreck we end up paying for at the multiplex. And I love "A
Clockwork Orange." The thing about Kubrick is that like David Lynch, the
people aren't the point of the story. I think once you have that, his
stuff is much more satisfying.
Cliff Evans
>
> << Shit, it can't be any darker than "Your Friends
> & Neighbors">>
>
> I love that film. I think for darkness you can't beat LaBute's other film 'In
> The Company Of Men'. Now that was fucking cruel.
> 'I don't trust anything that bleeds for a week and doesn't die'. That final
> scene was unnerving.
"In The Company Of Men" is one of my favorite movies, but I actually
think "Your Friends & Neighbors" is darker. There was no justice there,
whereas there was at least a little in "In The Company Of Men."
For what it's worth, I would have loved to see Neil LaBute direct
"American Psycho" with Aaron Eckhart playing Patrick Bateman.
Cliff Evans
> My opinions of Bret Easton Ellis:
> LESS THAN ZERO was pretty crappy.
> AMERICAN PSYCHO was satirical genius.
> I haven't read GLAMORAMA.
> And I think that comprises his ouevre. He's an even lower-output guy than I
> am.
"American Psycho" may be the only good thing he ever does. I think he
should stop now.
nothingv
> >thats bret eaton ellis, isnt it?
> >ive started a couple of his novels & i just dont get the appeal. ive never
> >picked
> >up "american psycho", & thats supposed to be his best [or so im told], so
> >maybe i
> >should try it. i just dont think any of the other ones were well written or
> >very
> >interesting at all. rich kid angst is how it came across to me.
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >nothing
>
> My opinions of Bret Easton Ellis:
> LESS THAN ZERO was pretty crappy.
> AMERICAN PSYCHO was satirical genius.
> I haven't read GLAMORAMA.
> And I think that comprises his ouevre. He's an even lower-output guy than I
> am.
>
> PZB
its really good then? "american psycho"?
i just dont know about it. maybe if i find it used or something.
& maybe if im out of stuff to read [unlikely to ever happen].
nothing about the stuff ive read by him was good at all.
"satirical genius", though. thats got me wondering.
.
Zillah269 wrote:
>
> Eeep. Sent the post too soon.
> >I'm sure the oppressed are very grateful that you're looking out for
> >them. The next time you're in trouble, call a peace activist.
>
> I sure as hell won't call a cop. I don't know where you're from, but I wish I
> was, too. Sounds like the men in blue are saints there. Perhaps when YOU'RE
> thrown up against a wall, searched for no good reason, and watch your friends
> get beaten, you'll change your mind.
Out of all contacts with the police, how many of these occur? Don't
start throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The alternative is
pretty frightening.
WhoShotJR
> Not exactly. The prosecution team was handpicked by the govenor, and if one
> watched the case on tv, it was obvious that they didn't want to prosecute the
> cops. _So much_ stuff never got brought up to trial. Little things that poked
> holes in the cop's story-like the fact that Diallo was a leftie, but supposedly
> pulled his wallet out of his right hand.
Sorry to interrupt, I really don't have much of an opinion on this at all, but
I just want to say that I'm a leftie and keep my wallet in my right back pocket.
Not that it matters much, but one shouldn't assume that because someone writes with
their left hand, they do everything else with it too. I bowl rightie, bat rightie,
eat rightie, smoke rightie, and fish rightie (tried the leftie reels a couple of
times, but it just wasn't for me); about the only thing I do with my left hand is
write, which I can't do at all with my right hand. And just to make this post even
more worthless to your discussion (again, sorry), this is why I hate that part in
cheesy 'thrillers' where the cop or defense attorney PROVES the suspect's innocence
by showing he's left-handed and couldn't in your wildest dreams cut a throat from
left to right. Sorry, but if I wanted to cut a throat, I'd hold the knife in my
RIGHT hand. Otherwise, *my* throat would be the one to get sliced. That's all.
Carry on.
WhoShotJR
Maybe the cops are just super nice in Louisville. I know lots of LPD and JCPD
cops and yeah, they can be dicks, but most of them really do just want to protect
and serve. There's a big mess going on here over a questionable shooting that's
led to some firings and picketing, and I don't know if it SHOULD have happened or
not, but I'm with Faye on this. A few bad cops out of the bunch do get all the
attention, and it does seem at times (thanks to all those impartial journalists out
there) that all cops are bad, but I sure as hell don't want to do their job. So
until somebody builds the real Robo-Cop, I think we should be thankful that they're
really not as bad as the "news" would have us believe.
But that one who gave me a ticket for running a stop sign on a road with NO
STOP SIGNS, he should be gassed. Ran the stop my ass, ain't no fuckin'...
Zillah269
>> Kimberly, who's going to go protest the Diallo verdict right now, and only
>> slightly scared of cops...then again, I'm not a young black male, so I
>probably
>> don't have anything to worry about.
>
>Yes, isn't it wonderful to be able to criticize people whose job you do
>not do on behalf of people you cannot represent? What a country.
No, but I do feel justified in voicing my outrage at a system that will bully
me or my friends (who, for protesting, got a broken jaw); who use Gestapo
tactics to do what's "right". (If you don't believe me, come to the "new" New
York) And besides, if everyone had the kind of attitude that you've expressed,
Cliff, no one would ever stand up for the rights of the oppressed. Now that's a
nightmare.
Kimberly
Zillah269
>LESS THAN ZERO was pretty crappy.
>AMERICAN PSYCHO was satirical genius.
>I haven't read GLAMORAMA.
You forgot RULES OF ATTRACTION, which I kinda liked. Don't bother with
GLAMORAMA. Ellis tried to recreate the 80s feel in a 90s setting. I couldn't
even finish it.
Cliff Evans
>
> Cliff wrote:
> >> Kimberly, who's going to go protest the Diallo verdict right now, and only
> >> slightly scared of cops...then again, I'm not a young black male, so I
> >probably
> >> don't have anything to worry about.
> >Yes, isn't it wonderful to be able to criticize people whose job you do
> >not do on behalf of people you cannot represent? What a country.
> No, but I do feel justified in voicing my outrage at a system that will bully
> me or my friends (who, for protesting, got a broken jaw); who use Gestapo
> tactics to do what's "right". (If you don't believe me, come to the "new" New
> York)
At what are you voicing your outrage? I honestly don't think the Diallo
case is all that cut-and-dried, not compared to, say, the Abner Louima
case. I am laboring under the impression that the jury came to the
decision they came to because the prosecution could not prove that the
police acted outside their purview. Being a cop in a city like NYC is a
shitty, shitty job, and you risk your life on a daily basis. It is
possible to make the wrong decision and to panic. I'm sure as hell glad
it wasn't anyone I knew, yes, and that's why I can be detached about it.
But be that as it may, I think everyone on both sides is thoroughly
aware of what has happened here. Is sending these men to prison going to
send any message apart from "get permission from a citizen's council
before you even *think* about drawing a gun"?
> And besides, if everyone had the kind of attitude that you've expressed,
> Cliff, no one would ever stand up for the rights of the oppressed. Now that's a
> nightmare.
I'm sure the oppressed are very grateful that you're looking out for
them. The next time you're in trouble, call a peace activist.
> "If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention"
You cannot judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes.
--
Cliff Evans
<boz...@earthlink.net>
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"I believe the children are our future...nasty, brutish and short."
- from The Onion, November 24th.
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Cliff Evans
> its really good then? "american psycho"?
> i just dont know about it. maybe if i find it used or something.
> & maybe if im out of stuff to read [unlikely to ever happen].
> nothing about the stuff ive read by him was good at all.
> "satirical genius", though. thats got me wondering.
Gee, that's funny. When we discussed this book a year or so ago, you
pretty much dismissed it out of hand when I said the exact same thing.
Must be having the wrong initials or something.
Zillah269
>At what are you voicing your outrage? I honestly don't think the Diallo
>case is all that cut-and-dried, not compared to, say, the Abner Louima
>case.
out". And no, it's not only the Diallo case that has fuelled this feeling in
NY...it's also the unarmed man shot this week in the same neighborhood as the
Diallo shooting, and the guy in Brooklyn who was killed. The attitude now is
shoot to kill, not to disable. Outrage at a mayor who builds bunkers for
himself, who promotes racial profiling, and compared the Diallo shooting as no
more tragic than a car accident.
>I am laboring under the impression that the jury came to the
>decision they came to because the prosecution could not prove that the
>police acted outside their purview
Not exactly. The prosecution team was handpicked by the govenor, and if one
watched the case on tv, it was obvious that they didn't want to prosecute the
cops. _So much_ stuff never got brought up to trial. Little things that poked
holes in the cop's story-like the fact that Diallo was a leftie, but supposedly
pulled his wallet out of his right hand. That the cops continued shooting,
even after he was on the ground.There were bullet holes on the bottom of his
feet!! I don't know how well the "opposing" side's been covered outside the
city...
>Being a cop in a city like NYC is a
>shitty, shitty job, and you risk your life on a daily basis. It is
>possible to make the wrong decision and to panic.
True. But I don't want anyone with a gun around me who has a tendancy to
panic...a man's life was lost because they couldn't see straight. The cops shot
a man 41 times- that's 12 pounds of pressure. I can't even conceive of that,
thank the gods. That's not panic, its viciousness.
Zillah269
>them. The next time you're in trouble, call a peace activist.
I sure as hell won't call a cop. I don't know where you're from, but I wish I
was, too. Sounds like the men in blue are saints there. Perhaps when YOU'RE
thrown up against a wall, searched for no good reason, and watch your friends
get beaten, you'll change your mind.
>> "If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention"
>
>You cannot judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes.
No, but I can judge someone who takes a blind eye to the world's problems and
does nothing. And if the status quo's all right to some, then they're more
brainwashed than I thought.
Kimberly
Cliff Evans
>
> Cliff wrote:
> >At what are you voicing your outrage? I honestly don't think the Diallo
> >case is all that cut-and-dried, not compared to, say, the Abner Louima
> >case.
> I am/was voicing my outrage at NYPD's attitude of "shoot 'em, then sort it
> out". And no, it's not only the Diallo case that has fuelled this feeling in
> NY...it's also the unarmed man shot this week in the same neighborhood as the
> Diallo shooting, and the guy in Brooklyn who was killed. The attitude now is
> shoot to kill, not to disable.
To the best of my knowledge, if you have a gun, you shoot to kill. You
don't try to wound, you don't shoot guns out of other people's hands,
you don't try to wing'em. You shoot to kill. That's why it's called
deadly force. If you want to dislike the NYPD, there are reasons
stretching all the way back to the riots in Tompkins Square Park. I am
just suspicious of what appears to be protests of any disputed police
decision ever.
Cliff Evans
>
> Eeep. Sent the post too soon.
> >I'm sure the oppressed are very grateful that you're looking out for
> >them. The next time you're in trouble, call a peace activist.
>
> I sure as hell won't call a cop. I don't know where you're from, but I wish I
> was, too. Sounds like the men in blue are saints there. Perhaps when YOU'RE
> thrown up against a wall, searched for no good reason, and watch your friends
> get beaten, you'll change your mind.
They aren't saints, and bad things happen because many of them are
flawed people, but theirs is a job you cannot do. And if you're
protesting and speaking out against the police, 1st Amendment or no,
why, some of them are going to get upset.
> >> "If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention"
> >
> >You cannot judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes.
> No, but I can judge someone who takes a blind eye to the world's problems and
> does nothing. And if the status quo's all right to some, then they're more
> brainwashed than I thought.
Yeah, you're right, I'm a zombie. Glad you pegged me so soon. Tell me
what to think next, massah.
Cliff Evans
>
> Zillah269 wrote:
> >
> > Eeep. Sent the post too soon.
> > >I'm sure the oppressed are very grateful that you're looking out for
> > >them. The next time you're in trouble, call a peace activist.
> >
> > I sure as hell won't call a cop. I don't know where you're from, but I wish I
> > was, too. Sounds like the men in blue are saints there. Perhaps when YOU'RE
> > thrown up against a wall, searched for no good reason, and watch your friends
> > get beaten, you'll change your mind.
> start throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The alternative is
> pretty frightening.
No, you don't understand. You're just brainwashed by the status quo and
have a blind eye to the problems of the world.
HiRene23
> Sorry to interrupt, I really don't have much of an opinion on this at all,
>but
>I just want to say that I'm a leftie and keep my wallet in my right back
>pocket.
>Not that it matters much, but one shouldn't assume that because someone
>writes with
>their left hand, they do everything else with it too. I bowl rightie, bat
>rightie,
>eat rightie, smoke rightie, and fish rightie (tried the leftie reels a couple
>of
>times, but it just wasn't for me); about the only thing I do with my left
>hand is
>write, which I can't do at all with my right hand.
Same here. Well mostly. I write lefty, but most other things are righty or
ambi. I think this is a fairly common condition for most lefties since we tend
to adapt to a right handed world. Someone gave me left-handed scissors to try
once. I would have done better using my teeth.
Now I have a friend who is *really strange. She writes righty, but does
everything else lefty. Her father and her brother are the same way. I keep
telling her it's a mild genetic defect :)
Rene
.
WhoShotJR wrote:
So
> until somebody builds the real Robo-Cop,
And we will name him "Hal."
Letterbomb
wrote:
>"." wrote:
>> Out of all contacts with the police, how many of these occur? Don't
>> start throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The alternative is
>> pretty frightening.
>
>No, you don't understand. You're just brainwashed by the status quo and
>have a blind eye to the problems of the world.
I think the truth lies somewhere between Cliff and Zillah's arguments.
While I've had my fair share of dealings with corrupt police, I also
realise that not having a police force would be worse. I can't speak
for the American experience RE their own force, but I can say - after
my own abovementioned run-ins - that there is only a narrow spectrum
of fairly extreme circumstances in which I would actually call for the
police.
Just because a person gets a badge doesn't stop them being the person
they were before they got the badge. Cops can drink too much, take
bribes, beat their wives and get the urge to fondle kids as much as
anyone else is likely to. It's just that they're organised and
sanctioned while - by contrast - most crimes are perpetrated by lone
idiots who don't think about what they do before they do it.
Cops are social janitors, not heavenly avatars of Justice.
Just my 2c.
Letterbomb
____________________________________________________________
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Jayne
HiRene23 <hire...@aol.comnojunk> writes
I'm the same - I'm a righty but hold my cutlery the opposite way, bag on
my left shoulder, cigarette in left hand... I bowl with my left hand like Jim,
but I don't fish ;-)
--
Jayne
http://ossuary.net/~angel
"Stuart.Park"
On 6 Mar 2000, Neo Nervosa wrote:
> <<"Magnolia." Though it isn't really a Tom Cruise film per se.>>
>
>
> I knew you someone would say that. And it doesn't count. Neither does 'Eyes
> Wide Shut'. A load of people assumed it was good because Kubrick did it but
> really it was quite dire. I'm also beginning to re-think my opinion of his
> Clockwork Orange adaptation although I can't fault Malcolm MacDowall.
> Eden
>
>
>
Hmm, I did hear a rumour that Kubrick wasn:t overly impressed with the
final cut and deliberately left an image of himself in a shot - which
given his almost :anal retentive; control tendencies seemed odd. Not
particualrily wanting to see the movie I couldn:t confirm this though.
Personally I dislike most of Kubrick:s work, I found it to unnatural and
controlled.
CDC
WhoShotJR
> I'm also carefully stepping around the Serious stuff:
>
> > Sorry to interrupt, I really don't have much of an opinion on this at all,
> >but
> >I just want to say that I'm a leftie and keep my wallet in my right back
> >pocket.
> >Not that it matters much, but one shouldn't assume that because someone
> >writes with
> >their left hand, they do everything else with it too. I bowl rightie, bat
> >rightie,
> >eat rightie, smoke rightie, and fish rightie (tried the leftie reels a couple
> >of
> >times, but it just wasn't for me); about the only thing I do with my left
> >hand is
> >write, which I can't do at all with my right hand.
>
> Same here. Well mostly. I write lefty, but most other things are righty or
> ambi. I think this is a fairly common condition for most lefties since we tend
> to adapt to a right handed world. Someone gave me left-handed scissors to try
> once. I would have done better using my teeth.
> Now I have a friend who is *really strange. She writes righty, but does
> everything else lefty. Her father and her brother are the same way. I keep
> telling her it's a mild genetic defect :)
I don't know if it's conditioning, at least in my case. I *never* liked my
left-handed scissors or could bowl or bat left-handed. My parents bought me all
of the left-handed stuff thinking I would need it, but I couldn't use any of it.
And this is way after they stopped forcing lefties to do things with their right
hand. I'm sure there's something to what you're saying. I'm probably just weird
in this way...among others.
WhoShotJR
> In article <20000307235008...@ng-ce1.aol.com>,
> HiRene23 <hire...@aol.comnojunk> writes
> >I'm also carefully stepping around the Serious stuff:
> >
> >> Sorry to interrupt, I really don't have much of an opinion on this at all,
> >>but
> >>I just want to say that I'm a leftie and keep my wallet in my right back
> >>pocket.
> >>Not that it matters much, but one shouldn't assume that because someone
> >>writes with
> >>their left hand, they do everything else with it too. I bowl rightie, bat
> >>rightie,
> >>eat rightie, smoke rightie, and fish rightie (tried the leftie reels a couple
> >>of
> >>times, but it just wasn't for me); about the only thing I do with my left
> >>hand is
> >>write, which I can't do at all with my right hand.
> >
> >Same here. Well mostly. I write lefty, but most other things are righty or
> >ambi. I think this is a fairly common condition for most lefties since we tend
> >to adapt to a right handed world. Someone gave me left-handed scissors to try
> >once. I would have done better using my teeth.
> > Now I have a friend who is *really strange. She writes righty, but does
> >everything else lefty. Her father and her brother are the same way. I keep
> >telling her it's a mild genetic defect :)
>
> I'm the same - I'm a righty but hold my cutlery the opposite way, bag on
> my left shoulder, cigarette in left hand... I bowl with my left hand like Jim,
> but I don't fish ;-)
I don't fish often anymore. I really just like the gutting part.
WhoShotJR
> Eeep. Sent the post too soon.
> >I'm sure the oppressed are very grateful that you're looking out for
> >them. The next time you're in trouble, call a peace activist.
>
> I sure as hell won't call a cop. I don't know where you're from, but I wish I
> was, too. Sounds like the men in blue are saints there. Perhaps when YOU'RE
> thrown up against a wall, searched for no good reason, and watch your friends
> get beaten, you'll change your mind.
Don't you think it's a bit simple to think that all, or even most, police
officers are police officers for the purposes of Evil? Even a "bad" cop is
putting his or her life at risk to some degree if they're out in public. If
they're all so damn bad and mean, why on Earth would they do that? What's their
motive? There are so many other ways to be an asshole without risking your
life...
And, really, seriously now, who ya gonna call?
Ghostbustahs! hehehehehe...
> >> "If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention"
> >
> >You cannot judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes.
>
> No, but I can judge someone who takes a blind eye to the world's problems and
> does nothing. And if the status quo's all right to some, then they're more
> brainwashed than I thought.
The "status quo" is too broad to be right or wrong, and so is your
indictment. Yes, there are bad cops. There are bad people! By this way of
thinking, couldn't you justify just about any form of genocide? Killed a few
million Jews? Exterminated some tribes? Sterilized a few hundred rural
families? Hey, SOME OF 'EM were bad!
nothingv
> Cliff wrote:
> >> Kimberly, who's going to go protest the Diallo verdict right now, and only
> >> slightly scared of cops...then again, I'm not a young black male, so I
> >probably
> >> don't have anything to worry about.
> >
> >Yes, isn't it wonderful to be able to criticize people whose job you do
> >not do on behalf of people you cannot represent? What a country.
>
> No, but I do feel justified in voicing my outrage at a system that will bully
> me or my friends (who, for protesting, got a broken jaw); who use Gestapo
> tactics to do what's "right". (If you don't believe me, come to the "new" New
> York) And besides, if everyone had the kind of attitude that you've expressed,
> Cliff, no one would ever stand up for the rights of the oppressed. Now that's a
> nightmare.
just wanted to say i agree wholeheartedly w/what youve
said here, kimberly.
> Kimberly
>
> "If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention"
oh &....the way i heard it was, "if youre not paranoid, youre
not paying attention". but then, i watch too much x-files &
read too much conspiracy shit, so its no surprise that thats
the version i heard. heh
nothingv
> Zillah269 wrote:
> >
> > Cliff wrote:
> > >> Kimberly, who's going to go protest the Diallo verdict right now, and only
> > >> slightly scared of cops...then again, I'm not a young black male, so I
> > >probably
> > >> don't have anything to worry about.
>
> > >Yes, isn't it wonderful to be able to criticize people whose job you do
> > >not do on behalf of people you cannot represent? What a country.
>
> > No, but I do feel justified in voicing my outrage at a system that will bully
> > me or my friends (who, for protesting, got a broken jaw); who use Gestapo
> > tactics to do what's "right". (If you don't believe me, come to the "new" New
> > York)
>
> At what are you voicing your outrage? I honestly don't think the Diallo
> case is all that cut-and-dried, not compared to, say, the Abner Louima
> case. I am laboring under the impression that the jury came to the
> decision they came to because the prosecution could not prove that the
> police acted outside their purview. Being a cop in a city like NYC is a
> shitty, shitty job, and you risk your life on a daily basis. It is
> possible to make the wrong decision and to panic.
when it comes to peoples' lives, there is absolutely no room for
wrong decisions.
> I'm sure as hell glad
> it wasn't anyone I knew, yes, and that's why I can be detached about it.
> But be that as it may, I think everyone on both sides is thoroughly
> aware of what has happened here. Is sending these men to prison going to
> send any message apart from "get permission from a citizen's council
> before you even *think* about drawing a gun"?
>
> > And besides, if everyone had the kind of attitude that you've expressed,
> > Cliff, no one would ever stand up for the rights of the oppressed. Now that's a
> > nightmare.
>
> I'm sure the oppressed are very grateful that you're looking out for
> them. The next time you're in trouble, call a peace activist.
their response time would be better, im sure. i think much
more can be done via peace than fighting, but then, the peaceful
dont go around showing off their big dicks & playing w/guns.
> > "If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention"
>
> You cannot judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes.
>
> --
> Cliff Evans
> <boz...@earthlink.net>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> "I believe the children are our future...nasty, brutish and short."
>
> - from The Onion, November 24th.
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--
nothingv
> nothingv wrote:
>
> > its really good then? "american psycho"?
> > i just dont know about it. maybe if i find it used or something.
> > & maybe if im out of stuff to read [unlikely to ever happen].
> > nothing about the stuff ive read by him was good at all.
> > "satirical genius", though. thats got me wondering.
>
> Gee, that's funny. When we discussed this book a year or so ago, you
> pretty much dismissed it out of hand when I said the exact same thing.
> Must be having the wrong initials or something.
>
> --
> Cliff Evans
> <boz...@earthlink.net>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> "I believe the children are our future...nasty, brutish and short."
>
> - from The Onion, November 24th.
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what the fuck are you talking about? i wasnt even here a year
ago. &ive always been unimpressed [to say the least] by ellis.
if someone i consider to have good taste says something very
flattering about someones work which i have previously
dismissed, then i might consider giving the work &/or artist in
question another shot. ive read books by authors who have
like one good book & the rest are pretty crap, so i know its
entirely possible that "american psycho" is a brilliant piece.
thats just how i am. i might come to a decision about something,
but hopefully its never so etched-in-stone that im willing to
be fucking ignorant about it. thats a place i dont like to be.
im pleased w/my ability to overcome previous qualms & all
that. i do it all the time. do you? hey man, how about reading
"shella" by vachss? it doesnt have any little kids in it,& its actually
quite decently written.
nothingv
> Zillah269 wrote:
> >
> > Eeep. Sent the post too soon.
> > >I'm sure the oppressed are very grateful that you're looking out for
> > >them. The next time you're in trouble, call a peace activist.
> >
> > I sure as hell won't call a cop. I don't know where you're from, but I wish I
> > was, too. Sounds like the men in blue are saints there. Perhaps when YOU'RE
> > thrown up against a wall, searched for no good reason, and watch your friends
> > get beaten, you'll change your mind.
>
> Out of all contacts with the police, how many of these occur? Don't
> start throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The alternative is
> pretty frightening.
no it isnt. its just decades upon decades of corrupt capitalism
& "democracy" that disables you from envisioning greener pastures.
nothingv
> Zillah269 wrote:
> >
> > Cliff wrote:
> > >At what are you voicing your outrage? I honestly don't think the Diallo
> > >case is all that cut-and-dried, not compared to, say, the Abner Louima
> > >case.
>
> > I am/was voicing my outrage at NYPD's attitude of "shoot 'em, then sort it
> > out". And no, it's not only the Diallo case that has fuelled this feeling in
> > NY...it's also the unarmed man shot this week in the same neighborhood as the
> > Diallo shooting, and the guy in Brooklyn who was killed. The attitude now is
> > shoot to kill, not to disable.
>
> To the best of my knowledge, if you have a gun, you shoot to kill.
yeah. especially when youre motto is "to serve & protect".
> You
> don't try to wound, you don't shoot guns out of other people's hands,
> you don't try to wing'em. You shoot to kill.
im glad not everyone thinks how you think.
> That's why it's called
> deadly force.
"deadly force"? i call it " a system that doesnt work".
> If you want to dislike the NYPD, there are reasons
> stretching all the way back to the riots in Tompkins Square Park. I am
> just suspicious of what appears to be protests of any disputed police
> decision ever.
>
> --
> Cliff Evans
> <boz...@earthlink.net>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> "I believe the children are our future...nasty, brutish and short."
>
> - from The Onion, November 24th.
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