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suzy

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There's a shopping centre being built in town, and they have a poster in
one of the windows announcing the opening of a Borders bookshop/cafe
place. Am I correct in thinking this is an American chain? Is it a good
place or a cross your fingers and avoid place? Do they actually have
things called 'Horror' sections and 'Science Fiction' sections? I might
send the idiots from Blackwells round there for a look if it's decent.
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suzy

Scott

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On Mon, 25 May 1998 10:04:52 +0100, suzy <su...@isolation.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

>There's a shopping centre being built in town, and they have a poster in
>one of the windows announcing the opening of a Borders bookshop/cafe
>place. Am I correct in thinking this is an American chain?
>

mmyep, you got it. We're coming to get you.

>Is it a good place or a cross your fingers and avoid place?
>

*shrug* Depends on what you want. Not sure if Barnes & Noble
has invaded you there yet, but if they have, Borders is much better in
comparison.

>Do they actually have things called 'Horror' sections and 'Science Fiction' sections?
>

The two near my house are severely lacking in a horror section.
Thousands of books, but not even an entire bookcase of horror. Hell,
most of it is Stephen King to boot. Not sure about Science Fiction,
but it certainly couldn't be any worse.

ciao,
Scott, who likes Borders for the blaring classical & great a/c system

suzy

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In article <35693d8b...@news.minn.net>, Scott <rai...@gothic.net>
writes

>On Mon, 25 May 1998 10:04:52 +0100, suzy <su...@isolation.demon.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
......<snip> >the opening of a Borders bookshop/cafe

>>place. Am I correct in thinking this is an American chain?
>>
> mmyep, you got it. We're coming to get you.

<scweams!> "Mummy, Mummy! The 'mericans are coming!!"


>
>>Is it a good place or a cross your fingers and avoid place?
>>
> *shrug* Depends on what you want. Not sure if Barnes & Noble
>has invaded you there yet, but if they have, Borders is much better in
>comparison.

Nope, we don't have Barnes & Noble, not that I'm aware of, anyway....and
I don't think there are many bookshops in the entire country that
haven't seen my angry face storming out of 'em when I discover they
don't stock PZB novels.

The main chains we have are Dillons, Waterstones, W/H Smiths (uniformly
terrible) Blackwells (ditto) and erm...that's about it. I quite like
Books etc (in London) but it's a bit too trendy wendy for me to feel
comfortable in.

A lot more Bookshop/coffee bar places are springing up in the UK, but I
really don't think we've caught on to the American way yet, as most of
the ones I've been in only have about two (maybe three) different types
of coffee (*VERY* overpriced thimble-cupped coffee, at that)

I remember an article in the Guardian about the panic spreading the UK
when faced with more than one coffee option at the counters of these
places. They had a great long list of 'How to order' and a dictionary of
translations and abbreviations. We tend to go all dithery and faint here
when offered a choice of flavours of anything.

You have no *idea* how welcome Ben & Jerry's Icecream has been, for
example. UK manufacturers have suddenly woken up to the fact that there
are more flavours than strawberry, chocolate and vanilla.

When I was little, the very height of luxury and exotica was Neoploitan
icecream.... three seperate stripes of icecream of erm, well, strawberry
chocolate and vanilla. None of which tasted of their name and all of
which tasted more of the cardboard wrapping than anything else.

>>Do they actually have things called 'Horror' sections and 'Science Fiction'
>sections?
>>
> The two near my house are severely lacking in a horror section.
>Thousands of books, but not even an entire bookcase of horror. Hell,
>most of it is Stephen King to boot. Not sure about Science Fiction,
>but it certainly couldn't be any worse.

Why do most bookshops think the only horror writer in the entire world
that people want to read is Stephen King? Sometimes they'll have a
couple of dog-eared Anne Rice novels. Sometimes they have some James
Herbert. Mostly, though, it's bloody shelf-fulls of Stephen King.


>
>ciao,
>Scott, who likes Borders for the blaring classical & great a/c system

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suzy

MollyBloom

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suzy wrote:

> Why do most bookshops think the only horror writer in the entire world
> that people want to read is Stephen King? Sometimes they'll have a
> couple of dog-eared Anne Rice novels. Sometimes they have some James
> Herbert. Mostly, though, it's bloody shelf-fulls of Stephen King.

I think Borders must allow their management to attempt to read the locals'
wants. The two Borders near me are not only chock full of PZB, but have had
titles before anyone else. Just call as soon as they post a hiring number and
indicate that you are greatly relieved for this American invasion, and you
*hope* they will be filling a retail void.

-- Faye
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This downhill path is easy, but there's no turning back.
--Christina Rosetti

Cliff Evans

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suzy wrote:
>
> There's a shopping centre being built in town, and they have a poster in
> one of the windows announcing the opening of a Borders bookshop/cafe
> place. Am I correct in thinking this is an American chain? Is it a good
> place or a cross your fingers and avoid place? Do they actually have
> things called 'Horror' sections and 'Science Fiction' sections? I might
> send the idiots from Blackwells round there for a look if it's decent.

Ironically, I don't go to Borders much because there's a Waterstone's
more easily accessible here in Boston, but when I've lived other places
I've gone to Borders and never had a problem finding stuff or getting
hassle from the clerks. It's a little on the
"bookstore-as-mall-or-theme-park" side for my total comfort, but I can
think of worse things to have move in.


--
Cliff Evans
<boz...@earthlink.net>
--------------------------------------------------
"Son of God or son of man...you can't fuck your
sister and expect much good to come of it."

-Garth Ennis, "Preacher."
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suzy wrote:

> You have no *idea* how welcome Ben & Jerry's Icecream has been, for
> example. UK manufacturers have suddenly woken up to the fact that there
> are more flavours than strawberry, chocolate and vanilla.

I shudder to think that you, for any amount of time in your life, have
been deprived of the bliss that is Ben & Jerry's.
CoffeeCoffeeBuzzBuzzBuzz, Cool Britannia, Coconut Almond Fudge Chip,
Coffee Heath Bar Crunch...the list goes on and on.

maime-a-licious

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On Mon, 25 May 1998 13:14:20 +0100, suzy <su...@isolation.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

<In article <35693d8b...@news.minn.net>, Scott
<rai...@gothic.net>
<writes
<>On Mon, 25 May 1998 10:04:52 +0100, suzy
<su...@isolation.demon.co.uk>
<>wrote:

<......<snip> >the opening of a Borders bookshop/cafe


<>>place. Am I correct in thinking this is an American chain?

<> mmyep, you got it. We're coming to get you.

<<scweams!> "Mummy, Mummy! The 'mericans are coming!!"

<>>Is it a good place or a cross your fingers and avoid place?

<> *shrug* Depends on what you want. Not sure if Barnes & Noble


<>has invaded you there yet, but if they have, Borders is much better
in
<>comparison.

I think it depends on what you're shopping for. I didn't even know
borders existed for two or three years.
Whenever I was walking down one street I could see this semibasementey
room with cds and people flipping through them. I would walk around
the corner and try to find the door to get in this place and I never
could. (Of course I never walked all the way around the block...) I
was always on my way to some great adventure and couldnt be completely
distracted by the secret cd store. SO finally last year I saw an ad
for some thing at Borders and went in and to my amazement it covered
most of the block except for the wierd scarey hair supplies store and
the stinky chinese restaurant. It was the secret cd place. The have
some good cds. and a local artist section that is alright.

<Nope, we don't have Barnes & Noble, not that I'm aware of,
anyway....and
<I don't think there are many bookshops in the entire country that
<haven't seen my angry face storming out of 'em when I discover they
<don't stock PZB novels.

Mine seems to usually have a complete supply of PoppyStuff including
all the extra stuff.

<The main chains we have are Dillons, Waterstones, W/H Smiths
(uniformly
<terrible) Blackwells (ditto) and erm...that's about it. I quite like
<Books etc (in London) but it's a bit too trendy wendy for me to feel
<comfortable in.

Is there a Towers Books there? I know there is a Towers my friend buys
too expensive import cds before they are released there. Maybe it
could work the same for books.

<A lot more Bookshop/coffee bar places are springing up in the UK, but
<I really don't think we've caught on to the American way yet, as most
<of the ones I've been in only have about two (maybe three) different
<types
<of coffee (*VERY* overpriced thimble-cupped coffee, at that)

Ahh a common misconception. I spend more on coffee than food some
weeks and I come from the coffee addict central. A speaker at my
school a couple of years ago said her fave thing about here is that
she can get a double iced mochacino at midnight if she wants one. (It
was before those wimpy starbucks frappe things.) I think it will stop
if I can get that ordinance passed to put prozac in the water during
the rainy season. We also have the highest brewerie ratio to people
outside of Germany. prozac in water... good idea.

<I remember an article in the Guardian about the panic spreading the
UK
<when faced with more than one coffee option at the counters of these
<places. They had a great long list of 'How to order' and a dictionary
of
<translations and abbreviations. We tend to go all dithery and faint
here
<when offered a choice of flavours of anything.

I've been told I order coffee the way Sallty in "when Harry met Sally"
ordered food.
I'll have a double tall iced latte with nonfat milk and a shot of
almond... I hope there is something open today because I severely need
some coffee.

<You have no *idea* how welcome Ben & Jerry's Icecream has been, for
<example. UK manufacturers have suddenly woken up to the fact that
there
<are more flavours than strawberry, chocolate and vanilla.

I remember when I discovered Rum Raison. the joy the delight.

<>>Do they actually have things called 'Horror' sections and 'Science
Fiction'
<>sections?

Yeah.

<> The two near my house are severely lacking in a horror section.
<>Thousands of books, but not even an entire bookcase of horror.
Hell,
<>most of it is Stephen King to boot. Not sure about Science Fiction,
<>but it certainly couldn't be any worse.

I don't like it when they mix it with scifi. They aren't the same. Of
course I can never find a book in the bookstore. I always have to ask
the idiot to show me where they have moved them to today.

<Why do most bookshops think the only horror writer in the entire
world
<that people want to read is Stephen King? Sometimes they'll have a
<couple of dog-eared Anne Rice novels. Sometimes they have some James
<Herbert. Mostly, though, it's bloody shelf-fulls of Stephen King.
<>

<>ciao,
<>Scott, who likes Borders for the blaring classical & great a/c
system

Last summer we spent the hottest day of the year with ten thousand
other people sipping iced coffees at Barnes and Noble. With those big
stuffed chairs they want you to stay and read entire books.

maime
<--
<suzy

m a i m e - a t - a r a c n e t - d o t - c o m
Lilacs bloom just as sweet, now my heart is shattered,
If I bowled it down the street whose to say it mattered?

maime-a-licious

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On Mon, 25 May 1998 10:46:15 -0400, Cliff Evans <boz...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

<Ironically, I don't go to Borders much because there's a Waterstone's
<more easily accessible here in Boston, but when I've lived other
places
<I've gone to Borders and never had a problem finding stuff or getting
<hassle from the clerks. It's a little on the
<"bookstore-as-mall-or-theme-park" side for my total comfort, but I
can
<think of worse things to have move in.
The one I stumbled around must be small. And I rarely buy things
there. But thats because I have the largest bookstore on the west
coast that has filled an old factory or something. With most of the
books being used. (yay!) You can wander around for weeks in there and
still not get past the Poetry room. and my fave part is that you can
dig through the shelf of books and find one that is more used and
three dollars cheaper so you can spend that three dollars on another
book. (its true. its better than any of those sale books at B&N or
Borders too!)

maime
queen of rambling posts



<Cliff Evans
<<boz...@earthlink.net>
<--------------------------------------------------
<"Son of God or son of man...you can't fuck your
< sister and expect much good to come of it."
<
< -Garth Ennis, "Preacher."
<--------------------------------------------------

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Boco bono

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bollocksy-titty-arse-plops..............


i just cant do this <<suzie said>> buggeriness............


anyway Suzie, I know that we didnt until recently have Ben n Jerrys and GOD
yes....thankyou america for exporting that one, but do you remember
"Ice-Magic"?

it was that stuff that formed a yummy chocolate shell when pored on the
ice-cream (vanilla or strawberry if you were feeling especially
adventurous).......the line was discontinued.....a fucking huge loss to the
world of ice-cream.......until now.......

love jimme

Ben Monroe

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> *shrug* Depends on what you want. Not sure if Barnes & Noble
>has invaded you there yet, but if they have, Borders is much better in
>comparison.


In my opinion, it's probably the best of the big "chains" sort of the Toys
'R Us of books, if that makes any sense. It's also somewhat nice to have the
little cafe right in the store, that way if you've been dragged to the mall
you can sit and read your book(s) and have a cupr of tea (or coffee if you
must) while your pals run around looking for new video games (bitter much?)


>>Do they actually have things called 'Horror' sections and 'Science
Fiction' sections?
>>

> The two near my house are severely lacking in a horror section.
>Thousands of books, but not even an entire bookcase of horror. Hell,
>most of it is Stephen King to boot. Not sure about Science Fiction,
>but it certainly couldn't be any worse.


The Borders near me (in the Oakland/Berkeley area) actually have rather
decent horror/sci-fi sections. Even better, they keep the two seperate! So,
while they are nearby, you don't have to try and squeeze around the
cthulhoid bulk of the Star Trek fans, in order to get to the Poppy Brie (or
whoever you're looking for) section.

The one I go to the most, has an extensive collection of Lovecraftiana (from
both Arkham House, and Fedogan & Bremer!) plus Brite, the new Kiernan novel,
Ramsey Campbell, and all my faves (in addition to the requisite King and
Koontz stuff)

However... I still mantain, as good as it is, it's no match for your
neighborhood specialty store. I have more fun wandering the dusty stacks of
Dark Carnival in Berkeley for two hours than I'll ever have in B&N...

Still, it's not bad...


Ben Monroe

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Boco bono wrote in message
<199805251828...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...


> it was that stuff that formed a yummy chocolate shell when pored on the
>ice-cream (vanilla or strawberry if you were feeling especially
>adventurous).......the line was discontinued.....a fucking huge loss to the
>world of ice-cream.......until now.......

I have a friend who told me that he hated the stuff, because it always froze
up in the bottle before he got a chance to use it...

I had to calmly explain to him that you had to leave it on a shelf...
putting it in the refrigerator defeated the purpose...

Check for it as "Magic Shell" that's what it's called around here (the SF
Bay Area) and it's pretty readily available.

Ask me nice and maybe I'll ship you some...

;-)


Ben Monroe

________________________________________

"Film is art, theatre is life, television is furniture."


H. W. Nix

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suzy <su...@isolation.demon.co.uk> wrote:


>A lot more Bookshop/coffee bar places are springing up in the UK, but I
>really don't think we've caught on to the American way yet, as most of
>the ones I've been in only have about two (maybe three) different types
>of coffee (*VERY* overpriced thimble-cupped coffee, at that)
>

>I remember an article in the Guardian about the panic spreading the UK
>when faced with more than one coffee option at the counters of these
>places. They had a great long list of 'How to order' and a dictionary of
>translations and abbreviations. We tend to go all dithery and faint here
>when offered a choice of flavours of anything.
>

>You have no *idea* how welcome Ben & Jerry's Icecream has been, for
>example. UK manufacturers have suddenly woken up to the fact that there
>are more flavours than strawberry, chocolate and vanilla.

So that Monty Python sketch "we have spam, and eggs. Spam, sausage
and eggs, spam, spam, eggs and spam," etc. Was no joke, huh?

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Cliff Evans

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maime-a-licious wrote:

> Whenever I was walking down one street I could see this semibasementey
> room with cds and people flipping through them. I would walk around
> the corner and try to find the door to get in this place and I never
> could. (Of course I never walked all the way around the block...) I
> was always on my way to some great adventure and couldnt be completely
> distracted by the secret cd store. SO finally last year I saw an ad
> for some thing at Borders and went in and to my amazement it covered
> most of the block except for the wierd scarey hair supplies store and
> the stinky chinese restaurant. It was the secret cd place. The have
> some good cds. and a local artist section that is alright.

There are a couple of stores in Harvard Square like that, in the same
building as WordsWorth, which is a good discountish-priced bookstore
where I will sometimes buy a paperback killing time before my movie
starts at the Brattle Theatre down the street. It's where I got my copy
of "Wormwood" one night. I forget the double feature I was going to see.
Anyway. There's a tiny little comic shop called Million Year Picnic and
this neat anime/Hong Kong action place called Anime Crash that also
sells toy mechs, cels from anime, Japanese monster toys...I want to get
some Japanese monster toys for my room, but damned if I can ever find
the entrance to the lower level of this building. I went in once with a
friend of mine, and he's since moved out of state, so it's sealed off
from me forever, unless I try to break in. That might be bad.

--

alien

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Boco bono wrote:

> bollocksy-titty-arse-plops..............
>
> i just cant do this <<suzie said>> buggeriness............
>
> anyway Suzie, I know that we didnt until recently have Ben n Jerrys
> and GOD
> yes....thankyou america for exporting that one, but do you remember
> "Ice-Magic"?
>

> it was that stuff that formed a yummy chocolate shell when pored
> on the
> ice-cream (vanilla or strawberry if you were feeling especially
> adventurous).......the line was discontinued.....a fucking huge loss
> to the
> world of ice-cream.......until now.......
>

> love jimme

Yeeeeees!!! I remember that stuff!!! I never knew what it was
or where it went and I've been trying to replicate it with regular
chocolate for years now and its never quite right!!! They don't make it
anymore? Not at all? Not even on the black market???


alien

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Ben Monroe wrote:

> Boco bono wrote in message
> <199805251828...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

> > it was that stuff that formed a yummy chocolate shell when pored
> on the
> >ice-cream (vanilla or strawberry if you were feeling especially
> >adventurous).......the line was discontinued.....a fucking huge loss
> to the
> >world of ice-cream.......until now.......
>

> I have a friend who told me that he hated the stuff, because it always
> froze
> up in the bottle before he got a chance to use it...
>
> I had to calmly explain to him that you had to leave it on a shelf...
> putting it in the refrigerator defeated the purpose...
>
> Check for it as "Magic Shell" that's what it's called around here (the
> SF
> Bay Area) and it's pretty readily available.
>
> Ask me nice and maybe I'll ship you some...
>
> ;-)
>
> Ben Monroe

This can be found in a supermarket? Like Kroger? Strange that I
have not seen it...where do they keep it?


suzy

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In article <3569FE...@earthlink.net>, Cliff Evans
<boz...@earthlink.net> writes

>maime-a-licious wrote:
>
>> Whenever I was walking down one street I could see this semibasementey
>> room with cds and people flipping through them. I would walk around
>> the corner and try to find the door to get in this place and I never
>> could. (Of course I never walked all the way around the block...)
<snipped>

>I want to get
>some Japanese monster toys for my room, but damned if I can ever find
>the entrance to the lower level of this building. I went in once with a
>friend of mine, and he's since moved out of state, so it's sealed off
>from me forever, unless I try to break in. That might be bad.
>

What is it with American stores? Do they all hide their entrances in
some kind of secret marketing ploy or do you two just have a bit of
difficulty locating doors? ;) I have a feeling that the answer to this
question is the fact that American stores are prolly the size of Britain
whilst ours (at least in Brighton) tend to be the size of a wheely
bin...
--
suzy

suzy

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In article <199805251828...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, Boco bono
<boco...@aol.com> writes

>bollocksy-titty-arse-plops..............
>
>
>i just cant do this <<suzie said>> buggeriness............
>
>
>anyway Suzie, I know that we didnt until recently have Ben n Jerrys and GOD
>yes....thankyou america for exporting that one, but do you remember
>"Ice-Magic"?
>
> it was that stuff that formed a yummy chocolate shell when pored on the
>ice-cream (vanilla or strawberry if you were feeling especially
>adventurous).......the line was discontinued.....a fucking huge loss to the
>world of ice-cream.......until now.......
>
>love jimme

Oh my god yes! Ice-magic! How could I have forgotten that? We used to
have cupboards fulls of the stuff. I think it formed a large part of
most children's diets in the UK from the age of 6-15... prolly explains
a lot. I *think* i remember reading the back of one of the bottles once
and it had absolutely nothing natural in it at all. Yay!
--
suzy

Boco bono

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Subject: Re: Borders: To Celebrate or Avoid?
From: "Ben Monroe" <b.mo...@worldnet.att.net>
Date: 25, mei 1998 7:44 pm
Message-id: <6kchv5$n...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>


Boco bono wrote in message
<199805251828...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

> it was that stuff that formed a yummy chocolate shell when pored on the
>ice-cream (vanilla or strawberry if you were feeling especially
>adventurous).......the line was discontinued.....a fucking huge loss to the
>world of ice-cream.......until now.......

I have a friend who told me that he hated the stuff, because it always froze


up in the bottle before he got a chance to use it...

I had to calmly explain to him that you had to leave it on a shelf...
putting it in the refrigerator defeated the purpose...

Check for it as "Magic Shell" that's what it's called around here (the SF
Bay Area) and it's pretty readily available.

Ask me nice and maybe I'll ship you some...

;-)


Ben Monroe

_BEN..........this was my whole cliffhanger ........"until now" bit, cause now
we can get the wonerful and very sickly "Magic Sell" .......thankyou for the
offer of shipping me a load anyway.......and if you are in need of any Marmite
or anything just ask.

love jimme

Boco bono

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ubject: Re: Borders: To Celebrate or Avoid?
From: suzy <su...@isolation.demon.co.uk>
Date: 26, mei 1998 8:39 am
Message-id: <XHUNvLA4...@isolation.demon.co.uk>

In article <199805251828...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, Boco bono
<boco...@aol.com> writes
>bollocksy-titty-arse-plops..............
>
>
>i just cant do this <<suzie said>> buggeriness............
>
>
>anyway Suzie, I know that we didnt until recently have Ben n Jerrys and GOD
>yes....thankyou america for exporting that one, but do you remember
>"Ice-Magic"?
>

> it was that stuff that formed a yummy chocolate shell when pored on the
>ice-cream (vanilla or strawberry if you were feeling especially
>adventurous).......the line was discontinued.....a fucking huge loss to the
>world of ice-cream.......until now.......
>

>love jimme

Oh my god yes! Ice-magic! How could I have forgotten that? We used to
have cupboards fulls of the stuff. I think it formed a large part of
most children's diets in the UK from the age of 6-15... prolly explains
a lot. I *think* i remember reading the back of one of the bottles once
and it had absolutely nothing natural in it at all. Yay!
--
suzy

.....Suzy ......
Ben is right, you can now get it, well sort of it without the
classy wiggly lid design, as Magic Shell by Smuckers......and you can get it,
of all fucking places, in Iceland. So get mum down there as soon as possible i
say..........although i did kinda over do it on my first dose and go into a bit
of an additive frenzy....whoooooaaaahhhhhh

love jimme

Boco bono

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Subject: Re: Borders: To Celebrate or Avoid?
From: alien <al...@iglou.com>
Date: 26, mei 1998 3:26 am
Message-id: <356A367B...@iglou.com>

Ben Monroe wrote:

> Boco bono wrote in message
> <199805251828...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

> > it was that stuff that formed a yummy chocolate shell when pored
> on the
> >ice-cream (vanilla or strawberry if you were feeling especially
> >adventurous).......the line was discontinued.....a fucking huge loss
> to the
> >world of ice-cream.......until now.......
>

> I have a friend who told me that he hated the stuff, because it always
> froze
> up in the bottle before he got a chance to use it...
>
> I had to calmly explain to him that you had to leave it on a shelf...
> putting it in the refrigerator defeated the purpose...
>
> Check for it as "Magic Shell" that's what it's called around here (the
> SF
> Bay Area) and it's pretty readily available.
>
> Ask me nice and maybe I'll ship you some...
>
> ;-)
>
> Ben Monroe

This can be found in a supermarket? Like Kroger? Strange that I


have not seen it...where do they keep it?


dear alien......

......god im shite with your words....( moo-moo !) what the fuck is Kroger? If
infact it is magic shell......wait a second thats what you are
asking..........ignore me............

........not the mouse-trap mummy...

.........

Cliff Evans

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suzy wrote:

> What is it with American stores? Do they all hide their entrances in
> some kind of secret marketing ploy or do you two just have a bit of
> difficulty locating doors? ;) I have a feeling that the answer to this
> question is the fact that American stores are prolly the size of Britain
> whilst ours (at least in Brighton) tend to be the size of a wheely
> bin...

No, these stores I'm talking about are also tiny tiny places. The
problem is that in Boston, real estate is at a premium, and space gets
divided up in the weirdest ways. Sometimes the obvious entrance leads to
a big store, and to get into the smaller one a floor below or something
you have to walk halfway around the building to another entrance. The
building that I work in at school is a huge old pharmaceutical factory,
and it's been chopped up into about four or five different halls, not
all of which are interaccessible on every floor. It's like a maze.

suzy

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In article <356AC5...@earthlink.net>, Cliff Evans
<boz...@earthlink.net> writes
>

>No, these stores I'm talking about are also tiny tiny places. The
>problem is that in Boston, real estate is at a premium, and space gets
>divided up in the weirdest ways. Sometimes the obvious entrance leads to
>a big store, and to get into the smaller one a floor below or something
>you have to walk halfway around the building to another entrance. The
>building that I work in at school is a huge old pharmaceutical factory,
>and it's been chopped up into about four or five different halls, not
>all of which are interaccessible on every floor. It's like a maze.
>
It sounds like a nightmare......All these shiny new things begging you
to buy them through the windows and no way to get to them! You poor
Bostonians (?) I think you should protest by smashing your way
in....erm, or something...

I shall have to warn my dear mumsy of this fact, as she's heading your
way in a couple of months time - start digging those bunkers now!!! (her
brother's wedding in Ithica, but visiting Boston and Cape Cod on the way
up) *and* my aunt Sandra and scary uncle Ted...... no room for poor
likkul Suzy, tho', I wasn't even invited! Any advice about what they
sould see/do/avoid?
--
suzy

Jaynie

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In article <35698...@earthlink.net>, Cliff Evans
<boz...@earthlink.net> writes

>suzy wrote:
>
>> You have no *idea* how welcome Ben & Jerry's Icecream has
>been, for
>> example. UK manufacturers have suddenly woken up to the fact
>that there
>> are more flavours than strawberry, chocolate and vanilla.
>
>I shudder to think that you, for any amount of time in your life,
>have
>been deprived of the bliss that is Ben & Jerry's.
>CoffeeCoffeeBuzzBuzzBuzz, Cool Britannia, Coconut Almond Fudge
>Chip,
>Coffee Heath Bar Crunch...the list goes on and on.
>
Mmmm, anyone tasted Malibu flavour Hagen Daaz?
--
Jaynie
"This machine will not communicate the thoughts and the strain I
am under."


Jaynie

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In article <SXJM7AAN5na1Mw$g...@isolation.demon.co.uk>,
suzy <su...@isolation.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <3569FE...@earthlink.net>, Cliff Evans
><boz...@earthlink.net> writes

>>maime-a-licious wrote:
>>
>>> Whenever I was walking down one street I could see this
>semibasementey
>>> room with cds and people flipping through them. I would walk
>around
>>> the corner and try to find the door to get in this place and I never
>>> could. (Of course I never walked all the way around the block...)
><snipped>
>
>>I want to get
>>some Japanese monster toys for my room, but damned if I can ever
>find
>>the entrance to the lower level of this building. I went in once with
>a
>>friend of mine, and he's since moved out of state, so it's sealed off
>>from me forever, unless I try to break in. That might be bad.
>>
>
>What is it with American stores? Do they all hide their entrances in
>some kind of secret marketing ploy or do you two just have a bit of
>difficulty locating doors? ;) I have a feeling that the answer to this
>question is the fact that American stores are prolly the size of
>Britain
>whilst ours (at least in Brighton) tend to be the size of a wheely
>bin...
I often find that shops the size of wheely bins are the best.
Discovering a new shop that nobody else knows about is great.
Like a rilly good secret.

Ben Monroe

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Boco bono wrote in message

<199805261007...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
(snip)

>...and if you are in need of any Marmite
>or anything just ask.


Umm, gee, thanks, but no... I tried it once. Not to my liking.


Cliff Evans

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suzy wrote:

> It sounds like a nightmare......All these shiny new things begging you
> to buy them through the windows and no way to get to them! You poor
> Bostonians (?) I think you should protest by smashing your way
> in....erm, or something...

> I shall have to warn my dear mumsy of this fact, as she's heading your
> way in a couple of months time - start digging those bunkers now!!! (her
> brother's wedding in Ithica, but visiting Boston and Cape Cod on the way
> up) *and* my aunt Sandra and scary uncle Ted...... no room for poor
> likkul Suzy, tho', I wasn't even invited! Any advice about what they
> sould see/do/avoid?

Well, seeing as how you all *are* from Merrie Olde, many of Boston's
tourist attractions are bound to sting a bit, since this is pretty much
the birthplace of what we call The Revolutionary War. They should
probably avoid the Duck Tours (an especially goofy and touristy tour of
Boston via land and water) and the Freedom Trail (hi, these are all the
different ways we kicked British ass back in the day), but otherwise,
they should probably do the whole tourist thing...Quincy Market, Faneuil
Hall, Boston Common and the Public Garden...Harvard Square...and they
need to realize that if they take the subway while they're here, they
should probably just flat-out avoid the Orange Line. Oh, sure, the
entire Boston subway system is equal to part of one section of a branch
of the Underground, but one wrong change and yes, it's your family in
the 'hood. Green and Blue should get them everywhere they need to go,
and maybe Red if they venture into Cambridge. It's hot and muggy here in
the summertime, and if anyone approaches them about donating to the Walk
For AIDS, blow them off. They're scamming for money. Do *not* call it
Beantown. I think that's about it. Oh, and "Cheers" is at the
intersection of Beacon and Berkeley, I think.

nek...@earthlink.net

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On Mon, 25 May 1998 16:10:36 GMT, mai...@aracnetdot.com
(maime-a-licious) wrote:

>
>Ahh a common misconception. I spend more on coffee than food some
>weeks and I come from the coffee addict central. A speaker at my
>school a couple of years ago said her fave thing about here is that
>she can get a double iced mochacino at midnight if she wants one. (It
>was before those wimpy starbucks frappe things.)
>

As a former "professional" espresso-maker, from the espresso capital
of the world (or else armpit of the world, I'm not sure which is more
appropriate), let me just tell everyone that Starbucks sucks. We
called it Char-bucks for a reason. It is just *NOT* good espresso,
however high their sales might be.... it's kinda like the McDonalds of
espresso--they're everywhere, you know just what you'll get, but that
doesn't mean that its anything all that impressive.

>
>I've been told I order coffee the way Sallty in "when Harry met Sally"
>ordered food.
>I'll have a double tall iced latte with nonfat milk and a shot of
>almond...

Believe me, that's a pretty darn normal order... it's the double-tall
half-decaf nonfat no foam that starts getting silly. Then there's the
people who order a cappucino with no foam (for those who don't know, a
cappucino is supposed to be a a shot of coffee topped with a large
dose of foam), or... well, I could go on for a long time, but most of
you probably won't want to hear it. *grin*


So, maime, just which part of coffee central are you in?

Jeff S.
----------------
"I travelled far and wide through many different times
What did you see there?
I saw the saints with their toys
What did you see there?
I saw all knowledge destroyed...
--Joy Division

nek...@earthlink.net

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Besides, you can get marmite here. At least, I've seen in in a couple
of supermarkets here in Seattle. Bloody expensive though, so I've
never tried it....

maime-a-licious

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On Wed, 27 May 1998 06:33:58 GMT, nek...@earthlink.net wrote:

<On Mon, 25 May 1998 16:10:36 GMT, mai...@aracnetdot.com
<(maime-a-licious) wrote:
<
<>

<>Ahh a common misconception. I spend more on coffee than food some
<>weeks and I come from the coffee addict central. A speaker at my
<>school a couple of years ago said her fave thing about here is that
<>she can get a double iced mochacino at midnight if she wants one.
(It
<>was before those wimpy starbucks frappe things.)
<>

<As a former "professional" espresso-maker, from the espresso capital
<of the world (or else armpit of the world, I'm not sure which is more
<appropriate), let me just tell everyone that Starbucks sucks.

Which espresso capital? I know starfucks sucks. but I know people who
work there and I'm too lazy to walk three blocks for the good coffee.
ALthough the Nordstrom Blend is very tasty. yummm.


We
<called it Char-bucks for a reason. It is just *NOT* good espresso,
<however high their sales might be.... it's kinda like the McDonalds
of
<espresso--they're everywhere, you know just what you'll get, but that
<doesn't mean that its anything all that impressive.

Burger King has spresso here. SO does Burgerville. I wonder if its
monster onion ring time...

Okay I admit it I drink the silly fruppe things. But they are like a
slurpee and they don't have a slurpee machine in my building its
twelve blocks away. too far!


<Believe me, that's a pretty darn normal order... it's the double-tall
<half-decaf nonfat no foam that starts getting silly. Then there's

<people who order a cappucino with no foam (for those who don't know,

<cappucino is supposed to be a a shot of coffee topped with a large

I have heard that before. I work for a scrappy group of people that
just happens to be in a premium building. We all wear jeans to work
and get scoffed at in the elevator. But the doorknobs in the expensive
top half of the building always order drinks like that. and then they
stand at the counter watching the people make coffee asking "Is that
mine cause I ordered no foam on that cap." And what kind of loser
orders a half caf drink? People at the restaurant I used to work for
in HS used to order "A pitcher of Half Pepsi Half Diet Pepsi"
Yuueeuch!

<dose of foam), or... well, I could go on for a long time, but most of
<you probably won't want to hear it. *grin*

Like I said I spend tooo much on coffee. I have to advise everyone
what to drink. people always ask me. "Maime, I want some coffee from
Starfucks but I don't know what to get." and because I am a nice
person and the all around slave there I answer their questions and
help them out. THey can't read or do anythign productive ya know.

<So, maime, just which part of coffee central are you in?

PDX

<Jeff S.
have we talked before or are you new?

maime

Cliff Evans

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maime-a-licious wrote:
>
> On Wed, 27 May 1998 06:33:58 GMT, nek...@earthlink.net wrote:

> <Believe me, that's a pretty darn normal order... it's the double-tall
> <half-decaf nonfat no foam that starts getting silly. Then there's
> <people who order a cappucino with no foam (for those who don't know,
> <cappucino is supposed to be a a shot of coffee topped with a large

> I have heard that before. I work for a scrappy group of people that
> just happens to be in a premium building. We all wear jeans to work
> and get scoffed at in the elevator. But the doorknobs in the expensive
> top half of the building always order drinks like that. and then they
> stand at the counter watching the people make coffee asking "Is that
> mine cause I ordered no foam on that cap." And what kind of loser
> orders a half caf drink?

Frankly, it's coffee fetishism like this that makes me grateful for the
pink and orange oasis that is Dunkin' Donuts. I ask for a large iced
coffee with cream and sugar, and that's exactly what I get. Fuck the
Coffee Coolatta shit, I'd rather just know I'm drinking sweetened coffee
with ice in it. In the interests of full disclosure, however, I will
reveal a dependency on the pre-bottled Starbucks things (two every
Saturday and Sunday morning, otherwise I'm a zombie at work until about
noon) and the occasional frappucino slurpee thing. But only because
there's a Starbucks a block away from me (like everywhere else on earth)
and two of them in one day tend to turn me into Cornholio.

Sandy Atwood

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alien wrote:

> This can be found in a supermarket? Like Kroger? Strange that I
> have not seen it...where do they keep it?

Let's see....the Kroger here has a whole
frozen icecream cooler section, and they've
got a stand in the center of the aisle that has
all the icecream trimmings - the Smuckers
fruit toppings and the Hershey's Butterscotch
syrup, and yes - Magic Shell :) It is one of
those superstores though that has the
pharmacy and snack bar and 25 aisles of food,
so maybe yours is a smaller store.

- Sandy


maime-a-licious

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On Thu, 28 May 1998 00:16:47 -0400, Cliff Evans <boz...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

<Frankly, it's coffee fetishism like this that makes me grateful for
the
<pink and orange oasis that is Dunkin' Donuts. I ask for a large iced
<coffee with cream and sugar, and that's exactly what I get. Fuck the
<Coffee Coolatta shit, I'd rather just know I'm drinking sweetened
coffee

Blech! Actually their coffee sometimes tastes better than Starfucks.
My fave kind of coffee is Sumatran. My second fave is whatever has
been sitting in the coffee pot of some coffee house all day.

<with ice in it. In the interests of full disclosure, however, I will
<reveal a dependency on the pre-bottled Starbucks things (two every
<Saturday and Sunday morning, otherwise I'm a zombie at work until
about
<noon) and the occasional frappucino slurpee thing. But only because
<there's a Starbucks a block away from me (like everywhere else on
earth)
<and two of them in one day tend to turn me into Cornholio.

You can get one extra shot kind and be cornholio in one.

maime
who has a coupon for a free slurpee coffee fruppewhatever in her desk
drawer for a sunny day.

JuJu Ben

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On Fri, 29 May 1998 01:25:41 GMT, mai...@aracnetdot.com
(maime-a-licious) wrote:

>On Thu, 28 May 1998 00:16:47 -0400, Cliff Evans <boz...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
><Frankly, it's coffee fetishism like this that makes me grateful for
>the
><pink and orange oasis that is Dunkin' Donuts. I ask for a large iced
><coffee with cream and sugar, and that's exactly what I get. Fuck the
><Coffee Coolatta shit, I'd rather just know I'm drinking sweetened
>coffee
>
>Blech! Actually their coffee sometimes tastes better than Starfucks.
>My fave kind of coffee is Sumatran. My second fave is whatever has
>been sitting in the coffee pot of some coffee house all day.

Very good. My favorite is whatever the little local place has on
special. The liquor store sells coffee beans, and also sells cups of
the stuff brewed very strong (The right way!!!) at very reasonable
prices. Being a student (read broke), this is a very good thing.

><with ice in it. In the interests of full disclosure, however, I will
><reveal a dependency on the pre-bottled Starbucks things (two every
><Saturday and Sunday morning, otherwise I'm a zombie at work until
>about
><noon) and the occasional frappucino slurpee thing. But only because
><there's a Starbucks a block away from me (like everywhere else on
>earth)
><and two of them in one day tend to turn me into Cornholio.
>You can get one extra shot kind and be cornholio in one.

You can get something as good as a frappuchino by mixing cold coffee
that's been out all day, sugar, milk, & ice. To make it even better,
add a little almond extract. It's a lot cheaper than the Starfucks
stuff, if not quite as convenient.


JuJu_Ben (A shameless caffeine junkie)
at
geocities.com


alien

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Sandy Atwood wrote:

No, no! We have the big stupid Krogers also! But we don't have
a stand in the middle of the ice cream! I'm pissed! I think I'll go to
Kroger and give them a piece of my...mind...


Cliff Evans

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