Differences in Cross Stitch & Outlander

[Kendra]

I broke down and bought Cross Stitch (from the UK Amazon site) so I could see
the differences mentioned in the Companion.

There are more than are mentioned.

<do I need to put an Outlander spoiler in????>
;-)

She mentions a few scenes that are different but I also have found so far (I'm
only up to "Davie Beatons Closet")....

1) In Outlander, Claire take a car to the stones the morning she dissapears
whereas in Cross Stitch she takes a bike.

2) In Cross Stitch, when she is telling her "story" to Callum (Colum) she tells
it differently which makes her character seem different. (If that makes any
sense)

That's what I've noticed so far. Seems like there's something else but I can't
remember and it's getting late :-)

I wonder what the reasons the UK editors had for changing the car to a bike.

Kendra
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[ALIXGUNN]

>That's what I've noticed so far. Seems like there's something else but I
can't remember and it's getting late :-)<

How about the scenes between Claire and FRank before her disappearance?
There seems to be a little more Frank - and he seems to be a tad less
preoccupied than he comes off in Outlander, I thought.

>I wonder what the reasons the UK editors had for changing the car to a bike.<

Just on a guess - -It's Britain. It's after the war.
Cars and petrol cost dearly. It would be more realistic to expect Mrs. Baird to
own a bicycle than a car.

[Charles Pierce]

Kendra,
Can you elaborate on this a bit, just a teeny weeny bit <g>
Mary

Kendra wrote:

> In Cross Stitch, when she is telling her "story" to Callum (Colum)
she tells
> it differently which makes her character seem different. (If that
makes any
> sense)

ps I don't know about anyone else but I ain't putting in Outlander
spoilers. That one I think we should take for granted!

[Paige]

Kendra wrote:
>
> I broke down and bought Cross Stitch (from the UK Amazon site) so I could see
> the differences mentioned in the Companion.
>
> There are more than are mentioned.
>
> <do I need to put an Outlander spoiler in????>
> ;-)
>
> She mentions a few scenes that are different but I also have found so far (I'm
> only up to "Davie Beatons Closet")....
>
> 1) In Outlander, Claire take a car to the stones the morning she dissapears
> whereas in Cross Stitch she takes a bike.
>

> 2) In Cross Stitch, when she is telling her "story" to Callum (Colum) she tells

> it differently which makes her character seem different. (If that makes any
> sense)
>

> That's what I've noticed so far. Seems like there's something else but I can't
> remember and it's getting late :-)
>

> I wonder what the reasons the UK editors had for changing the car to a bike.

Hey, Kendra! You missed the big one - McTavish! <EG>

Some of the differences are covered in the Companion as well, aren't
they?
--
Paige - who's "Companion" is somewhere in Vermont right now :-)
Proud Mom of Victoria - 15 months
Proud to be Outlandish
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[Colleen Lill]

Kendra wrote:

I broke down and bought Cross Stitch (from the UK Amazon site) so I could see
the differences mentioned in the Companion.

There are more than are mentioned.

<do I need to put an Outlander spoiler in????>
;-)

She mentions a few scenes that are different but I also have found so far (I'm
only up to "Davie Beatons Closet")....

1)  In Outlander, Claire take a car to the stones the morning she dissapears
whereas in Cross Stitch she takes a bike.

2) In Cross Stitch, when she is telling her "story" to Callum (Colum) she tells
it differently which makes her character seem different.  (If that makes any
sense)

That's what I've noticed so far.  Seems like there's something else but I can't
remember and it's getting late :-)

I wonder what the reasons the UK editors had for changing the car to a bike.
 
 

This part of the story took place in post-war Great Britain;  GrBritain had quite the gasoline shortage during the war and no doubt this carried thru after the war too.  I suspect that perhaps there was the gas shortage and maybe the cars just weren't all that available.
 

Colleen
 

--
But a breeze passing in a still room stirs my
hair now and then in soft affection.
I think it is my mother.
 

Diana Gabaldon
 

[Janene]

Being a New Zealander we have got the UK version of the books. As far as
I can recall the story she spun to Colum was something like this: She was
on a ship to France to see relatives when there was a storm and the ship
sank. Her and her 'shipmates' swam to shore. Colum doubted her story as
she didn't have her 'servant girl' (or whatever she would be called) with
her and there were no reports of any storm or ship sinking when and where
she said. He told her that she could stay at the castle until he could
track down her relatives in France.

Now you just have to tell me the Outlander version. I'm thinking I should
order the US version of things so I know what you guys are talking about!!

I wonder why she felt the need to make these changes.

Cheers
Janene

In article <I_Zn3.151$Hq5...@cabot.ops.attcanada.net>, "Charles Pierce"
<cwpi...@attcanada.net> wrote:

> Kendra,
> Can you elaborate on this a bit, just a teeny weeny bit <g>
> Mary
>
> Kendra wrote:
>

> > In Cross Stitch, when she is telling her "story" to Callum (Colum)
> she tells
> > it differently which makes her character seem different. (If that
> makes any
> > sense)
>

[ALIXGUNN]

>Now you just have to tell me the Outlander version.<

I believe it went along the line of : She was an English widow, on her
way to Dingwall (?) to take ship to France to look up her husband's relatives;
when she and her servant were attacked by highwaymen - who took everything
(even, it would seem, her clothes <g>). The servant gave chase, and hasn't been
seen since.

> I'm thinking I should order the US version of things so I know what you guys
are talking about!!<

Definately! If for nothing other than the "cockstand" scene - after the
Grant's attack - that seems to be missing from CrossStitch.

>I wonder why she felt the need to make these changes. <

In most cases, the changes make sense. There are certain details that are
changed to make more sense in the Cross Stitch version - -along the lines of
the car/bicycle switch - considering the audience. And there are things which
the English publishers/proofers suggested to make the book's details more
accurate/believeable to an audience familiar with the areas covered in the
chapters. I.e. = Directions regarding Ft. William and the distance to the hill.
Outlander gives the impression it's a hop-skip-and-jump. CrossStitch makes it a
little clearer that it will take a day at least.....

[P Hughes]

petrol was rationed during and after the war in UK along with certain foods, cloth and other goods.  Rationing did not stop until the fifities. Owning a car certainly was not commonplace. A lot of people, my family included, had to live in fabricated buildings during and after the war, so building houses and repairing areas after bomb damage was firstmost. The economy did not recover properly until the sixties and we did not have regular access to goods that would have been standard in USA before the war nevermind afterwards. She would have to make these changes in Cross Stitch otherwise the book would not have been credible which I am glad to say it is.

Colleen Lill <sass...@home.com> wrote in message news:37A0FC0...@home.com...

Kendra wrote:

I broke down and bought Cross Stitch (from the UK Amazon site) so I could see
the differences mentioned in the Companion.

There are more than are mentioned.

<do I need to put an Outlander spoiler in????>
;-)

She mentions a few scenes that are different but I also have found so far (I'm
only up to "Davie Beatons Closet")....

1)  In Outlander, Claire take a car to the stones the morning she dissapears
whereas in Cross Stitch she takes a bike.

2) In Cross Stitch, when she is telling her "story" to Callum (Colum) she tells

it differently which makes her character seem different.  (If that makes any
sense)

That's what I've noticed so far.  Seems like there's something else but I can't

remember and it's getting late :-)

I wonder what the reasons the UK editors had for changing the car to a bike.
 
 

[Janene]

In article <19990730073948...@ng-fj1.aol.com>,
alix...@aol.com (ALIXGUNN) wrote:

> >Now you just have to tell me the Outlander version.<
> I believe it went along the line of : She was an English widow, on her
> way to Dingwall (?) to take ship to France to look up her husband's relatives;
> when she and her servant were attacked by highwaymen - who took everything
> (even, it would seem, her clothes <g>). The servant gave chase, and
hasn't been
> seen since.

Wow I really got that wrong didn't I!! It's obviously been too long since
I last read Cross-Stitch.

[Kendra]

Mary wrote:

>Kendra,
>Can you elaborate on this a bit, just a teeny weeny bit <g>
>Mary
>
>Kendra wrote:
>

>> In Cross Stitch, when she is telling her "story" to Callum (Colum)
>she tells
>> it differently which makes her character seem different. (If that
>makes any
>> sense)

It was where she was summoned to Callum for his questions of who she was and
where she came from. In Outlander and Crosstitch she had a basic story, as
close to the truth as possible. But in Crosstitch she says her ship had to put
in to land and that was how she got there. Then, in Crosstitch, at the end of
the story she was telling Callum she gets "caught up" in the telling and comes
close to screwing up. I just thought it made Claire sound more flighty in
Crosstitch but the Outlander version made her seem more in control.

>ps I don't know about anyone else but I ain't putting in Outlander
>spoilers. That one I think we should take for granted!

I thought so. Just playing it safe :-)

Kendra
Proud to be "Outlandish"!

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[Kendra]

Paige wrote:

>Hey, Kendra! You missed the big one - McTavish! <EG>

Did I? Wasn't he known as McTavish in the beginning of Outlander too?

>Some of the differences are covered in the Companion as well, aren't
>they?

Some are, but not everything. I've also noticed that her first meeting with
Gellie is different in Crosstitch, Inns are called pot-houses, and horses are
called ponies.

I've been going back and forth between the books when I come to something that
looks different.

[imascot]

>
> >Hey, Kendra! You missed the big one - McTavish! <EG>
>
> Did I? Wasn't he known as McTavish in the beginning of Outlander too?
>

> Kendra
> Proud to be "Outlandish"!
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Gallery/1796

COMPANION SPOILER

I came across the part where Herself explains about this--seems the part about
Claire being introduced to Jamie as "Jamie McTavish" got edited out just before
going to galley. I don't quite recall if she said it was for just the US version,
or UK, or both. I kind of skimmed over it in my haste to read as much as I could
in a short time. <g>

Joanne
--

cest moi

I try to take one day at a time.....
lately several days have attacked me at once

[Paige]

imascot wrote:
>
> >
> > >Hey, Kendra! You missed the big one - McTavish! <EG>
> >
> > Did I? Wasn't he known as McTavish in the beginning of Outlander too?
> >
> > Kendra
> > Proud to be "Outlandish"!
> > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Gallery/1796
>
> COMPANION SPOILER
>
> I came across the part where Herself explains about this--seems the part about
> Claire being introduced to Jamie as "Jamie McTavish" got edited out just before
> going to galley. I don't quite recall if she said it was for just the US version,
> or UK, or both. I kind of skimmed over it in my haste to read as much as I could
> in a short time. <g>

Diana did say in the Companion that it was accidentally edited out of
Outlander. We actually had this conversation before and I believe
someone quoted from CS with the part where Jamie's called McTavish.
However, if you ask anyone who's only read Outlander 9 out of 10 will
"remember" him being introduced to Claire as McTavish :-)
--
Paige

[Tracy Hope]

> can't remember and it's getting late :-)<

> How about the scenes between Claire and FRank before her disappearance?
> There seems to be a little more Frank - and he seems to be a tad less
> preoccupied than he comes off in Outlander, I thought.
>

> >I wonder what the reasons the UK editors had for changing the car to a bike.<

> Just on a guess - -It's Britain. It's after the war.
> Cars and petrol cost dearly. It would be more realistic to expect Mrs. Baird to
> own a bicycle than a car.

The Frank thing was because the Brits (and hence us New
Zealanders - the Commonwealth don't ya know) would not be so
sympathetic to a woman who runs off with another man
(regardless of circumstances of course :o) if she didn't
even so much as think about him on every third page *grin*.
Personally, I thought Frank was a cold fish anyway ;o)

The bike would definitely be due to the war - petrol was
rationed for months, maybe years, after the war actually
ended, and bikes were a good deal more common than bikes
unless you were rich or morally corrupt...

Tracy Hope the newbie

[Tracy Hope]

Hi Janene!

I am a New Zealander who has just moved to California. I
read Cross Stitch and the others before I left and have
bought Outlander over here. It is TOTALLY
worthwhile...trust me. Just a few added bits and pieces
here and there add to the tone of the book in subtle ways,
notably the attitude towards Frank after Claire goes off
with Jamie.

I recommend it - and by the way, is the Outlandish Companion
out there yet? I sent it to a friend in Christchurch and I
hope she doesn't buy it before it gets there!

--Tracy Hope