Arrrggh!!
Bookwyrm
teeth gnashing.)
I'm finally getting around to at least *starting* to enter my boxes and
boxes of books in the software I bought 3-4 years ago. Almost all the
newer books can be entered by scanning the barcode on the back of the
book. Then the program goes out on the internet and grabs all the info
it needs from places like Amazon, Barnes & Noble, etc. and dumps that
into the database.
I'm trying to do this semi-logically -- one author at a time.
So *here's* where the teeth-gnashing come in -- I'm missing some of the
books in some series that I *know* that I bought!!! Not a lot of books
by each author -- just a singleton here and a couple there (Weber,
Lackey, McCaffrey, Moon...).
It's driving me bonkers. I've looked high and low in the mess that is
our storage area in the basement and haven't found hide nor hair of them
so far. And I *absolutely* know that if I go and buy replacement
copies, the originals will show up within weeks.
**Sigh**
If anyone has good book-finding vibes to spare, I'd appreciate your
sending some my way....
a truly frustrated 'wyrm
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m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
Definitely! Consider them sent!
I hate it when I find I've purchased two copies of the same book. Not
that I mind supporting the authors, but I could have used the second
book money on an entirely new-to-me book, instead!
Bedside table? Under couch cushions -- though that's an unlikely spot
for a Bookwyrm to stash a book. Top of microwave? That's more a
place to look when one loses the book one is reading right now and had
just a moment ago... where did it go?
--
Megan
Journeyperson Dancing Barbarian
Keeper o' the FAQ: http://home.earthlink.net/~m_thomas3/abml/
Edna
Bookwyrm <Book...@comcast.net> wrote:
If you happen upon the dimension where they've hidden themselves, keep
an eye for my missing books, too :-) My daughter is reading A Wrinkle in
Time, and the second book has vanished from the shelf.
Edna
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Snowfire
to catalog my stuff in my spare time (Yeah, right...spare time!!???
what's that???+) If I can't return them, I take the spares up to our
cabin. BTW, what program did you get to catalog them? Scanning
barcodes sounds a LOT easier than entering everything by hand. Even
if it only works on half of my stuff it would be great.
Snowfire
Goddess of Cats
victoreia
[snip of the universal bibliophile black hole]
> **Sigh**
> If anyone has good book-finding vibes to spare, I'd appreciate your
> sending some my way....
>
> a truly frustrated 'wyrm
>
Sky/ go?)
What's even more frustrating is when you just *know* you saw the blasted
title just the other day, while you were looking for/reading something else!
--
victoreia
Goddess of Dark Chocolate
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Kat Hein
Yep, been there too. It seems like every time we go to reread some
series or another, at least one book will go missing. I paid an
exorbitant amount for an apparently rare copy of Don Callendar's
Geomancer, because I loved the series and it was missing from Jesse's
collection when I got to it, despite him swearing he'd had them all. We
looked for months, and then it showed up something like 2 days after we
finally broke down bought the replacement.
And no matter how many times we go through the shelves and cull out the
extra copies to go to the Used Book store, every time we straighten out
the alphabetization, we find more duplicates. I think Book 7 of Series
X morphs into a duplicate copy of Book 5 when we're not looking.
Or the Apes have been messing with us all.
Kat
Joe Morris
> Bookwyrm wrote:
> [snip of the universal bibliophile black hole]
>> **Sigh**
>> If anyone has good book-finding vibes to spare, I'd appreciate your
>> sending some my way....
>> a truly frustrated 'wyrm
> What's even more frustrating is when you just *know* you saw the blasted
> title just the other day, while you were looking for/reading something
> else!
Funny thing...I'm reading this thread while taking a break from looking for
a book that is usually underfoot. In this case, it's a technical hardback
(Stevens' _TCP/IP Illustrated Vol. 1_ - an execllent if slightly dated
compendium of basic info about the protocol) that I promised to loan to my
department head after she expressed irritation about not being as familiar
with networking as she would like to be.
Sadly, my most recent recollection of seeing the book was the last time I
tried to clean up the mountain ranges of books that pile up on my floor, so
I probably put it in some corner that was an obvious choice then but which
today I consider to be not at all a likely hiding place for it.
Joe Morris
BillGill
I paid an
> exorbitant amount for an apparently rare copy of Don Callendar's
> Geomancer, because I loved the series
That was a pretty good series. Too bad he isn't writing them any more.
I thought Pyromancer was the best, but they were all good. I especially
liked the way that Myrn cleaned up the places she wound up in.
Good Reading,
Bill
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
Might you have taken it in to your workplace, thinking that would be a
better spot for a TCP/IP book? (I think I have another one of
Steven's TCP/IP books, though I don't think mine is illustrated.)
I've found books I thought were at home in the office, and vice versa.
I have also, occasionally, stashed fatter textbooks underneath
furniture, as "dog toy rolling into inaccessible spot" prevention
tools. Any chance something like that happened?
Joe Morris
> Joe Morris wrote:
>>>[snip of the universal bibliophile black hole]
>> Funny thing...I'm reading this thread while taking a break from looking
>> for a book that is usually underfoot. In this case, it's a technical
>> hardback (Stevens' _TCP/IP Illustrated Vol. 1_ - an execllent if slightly
>> dated compendium of basic info about the protocol) that I promised to
>> loan to my department head after she expressed irritation about not being
>> as familiar with networking as she would like to be.
>> Sadly, my most recent recollection of seeing the book was the last time I
>> tried to clean up the mountain ranges of books that pile up on my floor,
>> so I probably put it in some corner that was an obvious choice then but
>> which today I consider to be not at all a likely hiding place for it.
> Might you have taken it in to your workplace, thinking that would be a
> better spot for a TCP/IP book? (I think I have another one of Steven's
> TCP/IP books, though I don't think mine is illustrated.)
The "Illustrated" reference in the title is somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but it
does have extensive graphic illustrations of packet layout and handshake
sequences. (Volumes 2 and 3 involve applications; Volume 1 discusses only
the "pure" TCP/IP protocols.) Stevens died shortly after the book was
published in the mid-1990s and (to my surprise) nobody's picked up the
responsibility for updating it, but it's still an excellent document for
both training and reference.
(Sidebar: I don't recommend it as an introduction to TCP/IP for someone
who's never worked with the protocol; while it uses a building-block
approach the resulting climb is still quite steep. Even if someone has
experience in that area it's still good to have a class with a real live
instructor who can step through some of the examples.)
> I've found books I thought were at home in the office, and vice versa.
I've got so many of my own books at the office that I keep a (usually
out-of-date) list of them so that if someone borrows one I know to start
asking my cow orkers who's got it.
> I have also, occasionally, stashed fatter textbooks underneath furniture,
> as "dog toy rolling into inaccessible spot" prevention tools. Any chance
> something like that happened?
Apparently all I needed was a few minutes' rest. Rejoining the treasure
hunt I did find the book at the bottom of a stack on the floor of the
basement bedroom I use for boot/magazine storage, obscured by setup
instruction book for Extensis Tools version 1.0 (i.e., ancient history).
Joe
Bookwyrm
I use Readerware -- http://www.readerware.com/
I bought the three product bundle -- Readerware for books, ReaderwareAW
for CDs, and ReaderwareVW for video.
If you order the three-pack on CD (instead of just downloading it) you
can get a free CueCat scanner.
Single program is $40, three-pack bundle is $75 and if you want them on
a CD it is an extra $10.
I've been quite happy with them. (Did my videos and CDs quite a while
ago. Just have been putting off the books -- too many boxes in too many
hidey-holes!)
'wyrm
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
> "m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]" wrote:
>
>>Joe Morris wrote:
[snip of the universal bibliophile black hole]
>
>>>Funny thing...I'm reading this thread while taking a break from looking
>>>for a book that is usually underfoot. In this case, it's a technical
>>>hardback (Stevens' _TCP/IP Illustrated Vol. 1_ - an execllent if slightly
> The "Illustrated" reference in the title is somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but it
> does have extensive graphic illustrations of packet layout and handshake
> sequences. (Volumes 2 and 3 involve applications; Volume 1 discusses only
> the "pure" TCP/IP protocols.) Stevens died shortly after the book was
> published in the mid-1990s and (to my surprise) nobody's picked up the
> responsibility for updating it, but it's still an excellent document for
> both training and reference.
I probably have vol. 2 or 3. I found it useful when I was actually
doing nitty-gritty networking, but it has been quite a while. So I'm
not sure if it would be useful now.
> (Sidebar: I don't recommend it as an introduction to TCP/IP for someone
> who's never worked with the protocol; while it uses a building-block
> approach the resulting climb is still quite steep. Even if someone has
> experience in that area it's still good to have a class with a real live
> instructor who can step through some of the examples.)
As I recall, no, not a suitable book for an introduction. :> More of
a reference for the previously exposed. Bit like climbing Half Dome
to learn how to mountain climb -- you'd certainly know quite a bit if
you made it to the top, but making it without falling off would be tricky.
<snip>
>>I have also, occasionally, stashed fatter textbooks underneath furniture,
>>as "dog toy rolling into inaccessible spot" prevention tools. Any chance
>>something like that happened?
>
> Apparently all I needed was a few minutes' rest. Rejoining the treasure
> hunt I did find the book at the bottom of a stack on the floor of the
> basement bedroom I use for boot/magazine storage, obscured by setup
> instruction book for Extensis Tools version 1.0 (i.e., ancient history).
Ah, yes. At the bottom of a stack of unrelated material, in the
basement, on a floor. Why didn't you look there first?
:>
Joe Morris
> Joe Morris wrote:
>> "m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]" wrote:
>>>Joe Morris wrote:
> [snip of the universal bibliophile black hole]
>>
>>>>Funny thing...I'm reading this thread while taking a break from looking
>>>>for a book that is usually underfoot. In this case, it's a technical
>>>>hardback (Stevens' _TCP/IP Illustrated Vol. 1_ - an execllent if
>>>>slightly
> <snip>
>> (Sidebar: I don't recommend it as an introduction to TCP/IP for someone
>> who's never worked with the protocol; while it uses a building-block
>> approach the resulting climb is still quite steep. Even if someone has
>> experience in that area it's still good to have a class with a real live
>> instructor who can step through some of the examples.)
>
> As I recall, no, not a suitable book for an introduction. :> More of a
> reference for the previously exposed. Bit like climbing Half Dome to
> learn how to mountain climb -- you'd certainly know quite a bit if you
> made it to the top, but making it without falling off would be tricky.
[OT for abml (or RABBL) but what else is new here?]
I was initially pointed to Stevens' book at a "security bootcamp" class
several years ago; some of the details I could probably have taught almost
as well as the instructor, but what I got from the six days plus five nights
of the class and Stevens' book was the structure of network protocols, which
is a prerequisite to understanding their security vulnerabilities. If
anyone here has an employer that wants its staff to be more aware of
computer security issues, I'll recommend the SANS "Security Bootcamp" (see
www.sans.org ). The class is expensive (~$3700) but worth it for someone
needing to know about network-based vulnerabilities even if (as in my case)
you already know something about protocols.
> <snip>
>>>I have also, occasionally, stashed fatter textbooks underneath furniture,
>>>as "dog toy rolling into inaccessible spot" prevention tools. Any chance
>>>something like that happened?
>>
>> Apparently all I needed was a few minutes' rest. Rejoining the treasure
>> hunt I did find the book at the bottom of a stack on the floor of the
>> basement bedroom I use for boot/magazine storage, obscured by setup
>> instruction book for Extensis Tools version 1.0 (i.e., ancient history).
>
> Ah, yes. At the bottom of a stack of unrelated material, in the basement,
> on a floor. Why didn't you look there first?
That's too good a straight line to ignore.
Because if I had looked there first, it would have been somewhere else, like
behind my PC-DOS 1.1 binder that's on the floor next to the door. Welcome
to the Real World!
Joe
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
> "m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]" wrote:
>
>>Joe Morris wrote:
>>>"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]" wrote:
>>>>Joe Morris wrote:
[snip of the universal bibliophile black hole]
>>>>>hardback (Stevens' _TCP/IP Illustrated Vol. 1_ - an execllent if
<snip>
>>>(Sidebar: I don't recommend it as an introduction to TCP/IP for someone
>>>who's never worked with the protocol; while it uses a building-block
>>>approach the resulting climb is still quite steep. Even if someone has
>>>experience in that area it's still good to have a class with a real live
>>>instructor who can step through some of the examples.)
>>
>>As I recall, no, not a suitable book for an introduction. :> More of a
>>reference for the previously exposed. Bit like climbing Half Dome to
>>learn how to mountain climb -- you'd certainly know quite a bit if you
>>made it to the top, but making it without falling off would be tricky.
>
>
> [OT for abml (or RABBL) but what else is new here?]
>
> I was initially pointed to Stevens' book at a "security bootcamp" class
> several years ago; some of the details I could probably have taught almost
> as well as the instructor, but what I got from the six days plus five nights
> of the class and Stevens' book was the structure of network protocols, which
> is a prerequisite to understanding their security vulnerabilities. If
> anyone here has an employer that wants its staff to be more aware of
> computer security issues, I'll recommend the SANS "Security Bootcamp" (see
> www.sans.org ). The class is expensive (~$3700) but worth it for someone
> needing to know about network-based vulnerabilities even if (as in my case)
> you already know something about protocols.
Now that I'm in my office, I see I own two different
networking/networking protocols textbooks by two different gentlemen
with the last name Stevens. Different first names.
Maybe you should look for newer networking books by Comer -- one of my
networking books is co-authored by Stevens and Comer. Maybe Comer
took over the franchise and updated the books.
So the SANS bootcamps are worth it? I do get regular advertisements
for them via mailing lists. I don't think either I or my employers
would be willing to pay the entry fee, however, since I don't
currently work with network security. :>
But the fact they can be useful is good trivia to know. May come in
handy sometime.
<snip>
>>>Apparently all I needed was a few minutes' rest. Rejoining the treasure
>>>hunt I did find the book at the bottom of a stack on the floor of the
>>>basement bedroom I use for boot/magazine storage, obscured by setup
>>>instruction book for Extensis Tools version 1.0 (i.e., ancient history).
>>
>>Ah, yes. At the bottom of a stack of unrelated material, in the basement,
>>on a floor. Why didn't you look there first?
>
> That's too good a straight line to ignore.
>
> Because if I had looked there first, it would have been somewhere else, like
> behind my PC-DOS 1.1 binder that's on the floor next to the door. Welcome
> to the Real World!
<g>
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
news:48792bb9$1...@news.bnb-lp.com...
> (Far off in the distance you can hear the sound of mutters, grumbles and
> teeth gnashing.)
> I'm finally getting around to at least *starting* to enter my boxes and
> boxes of books in the software I bought 3-4 years ago. Almost all the
> newer books can be entered by scanning the barcode on the back of the
> book. Then the program goes out on the internet and grabs all the info
> it needs from places like Amazon, Barnes & Noble, etc. and dumps that
> into the database.
Congratulations on finding a good program for that, and even more for
getting around to using it on the books. {BIG SMILE}
> I'm trying to do this semi-logically -- one author at a time.
> So *here's* where the teeth-gnashing come in -- I'm missing some of the
> books in some series that I *know* that I bought!!! Not a lot of books
> by each author -- just a singleton here and a couple there (Weber,
> Lackey, McCaffrey, Moon...).
I've been cataloguing since high school. One of the beautiful things
about computer catalogs is that it's so easy to go back and add in
something you find later. Mind you, even card catalogs were designed to
make that as easy as possible. However, computers are even better at making
this easy than cards are. {BIG SMILE, REALLY BIG GRIN}
> It's driving me bonkers. I've looked high and low in the mess that is
> our storage area in the basement and haven't found hide nor hair of them
> so far. And I *absolutely* know that if I go and buy replacement copies,
> the originals will show up within weeks.
> **Sigh**
Wait until you need them to replace them, or at least until you've run
out of books. You'll be surprised at how many turn up in the meantime,
often in the most unexpected places. {SMILE}
> If anyone has good book-finding vibes to spare, I'd appreciate your
> sending some my way....
Oh, I'm sending as many as I can. {SMILE}
> a truly frustrated 'wyrm
{sympathetic smile, HUGS, SQUEEZES}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
"Edna" <huels...@gmailDOT.com> wrote in message
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Is that "A Wind in the Door?" {wander off}
{come back} Yup, it is. (Just in case knowing the title helps you spot
the book. {Smile}) I hope you find it soon. {SMILE}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
news:VPjek.12241$LG4....@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
What did you do with the spare? {curious smile}
> And no matter how many times we go through the shelves and cull out the
> extra copies to go to the Used Book store, every time we straighten out
> the alphabetization, we find more duplicates. I think Book 7 of Series X
> morphs into a duplicate copy of Book 5 when we're not looking.
That would explain an awful lot, wouldn't it? {Smile}
> Or the Apes have been messing with us all.
{BIG SMILE} Maybe it's just L-space in action. {wink, SMILE}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
<"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:6dydnXAd0K978efV...@earthlink.com...
{SMILE} We've decided it's better to use a block of wood to block
kitty-toy traps. It can be cut to length. Plus, we don't have to worry
about a toy rolling under and getting stuck the one time we need to look up
something in a book. {SMILE}
> Any chance something like that happened?
To him? I have no idea? To my family? 100%. That's why we started using
blocks of wood. {wryly amused Smile}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
> <"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote in message
[snip of the universal bibliophile black hole]
>>I have also, occasionally, stashed fatter textbooks underneath furniture,
>>as "dog toy rolling into inaccessible spot" prevention tools.
>
> {SMILE} We've decided it's better to use a block of wood to block
> kitty-toy traps. It can be cut to length. Plus, we don't have to worry
> about a toy rolling under and getting stuck the one time we need to look up
> something in a book. {SMILE}
At the time I started stashing, I lived in an apartment. No reason to
have blocks of wood of any type handy, but plenty of textbooks.
Fortunately, nothing has gotten stuck. :>
>> Any chance something like that happened?
>
> To him? I have no idea? To my family? 100%. That's why we started using
> blocks of wood. {wryly amused Smile}
And the same rule applies as for books. Right after you buy the
replacement toy, you find the original...
Bookwyrm
> "Bookwyrm" <Book...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:48792bb9$1...@news.bnb-lp.com...
>
>> So *here's* where the teeth-gnashing come in -- I'm missing some of the
>> books in some series that I *know* that I bought!!! Not a lot of books
>> by each author -- just a singleton here and a couple there (Weber,
>> Lackey, McCaffrey, Moon...).
>
> I've been cataloguing since high school. One of the beautiful things
> about computer catalogs is that it's so easy to go back and add in
> something you find later. Mind you, even card catalogs were designed to
> make that as easy as possible. However, computers are even better at making
> this easy than cards are. {BIG SMILE, REALLY BIG GRIN}
>
90% of my working life was spent working in public libraries. Started
as a 'page' in high school, then 'clerk', then 'librarian'.
(No degree -- but got better scores on the civil service librarian exam
than a newly fledged library school grad! The head librarian counted my
previous 7 years of actual hands-on experience to substitute for the
degree.)
Worked in children's room, reference dept., branch library, bookmobile,
circulation, and cataloging.
While I was in the cataloging dept., I drove my boss nuts sometimes
because I felt that some of the LC (Library of Congress) assigned Dewey
classifications and subject headings were *way* off base and wrong.
(That was pretty obvious if you spent even 5 minutes reading the book
blurbs -- which I guessed that the LC cataloger hadn't taken the time to
do.)
Computer catalogs are great, but there is no way that they can reproduce
the wonderful serendipity of unexpected things you found in the old card
catalogs as you were flipping through the cards looking for something else.
'wyrm
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
<snip>
> Computer catalogs are great, but there is no way that they can reproduce
> the wonderful serendipity of unexpected things you found in the old card
> catalogs as you were flipping through the cards looking for something else.
Random meanderings up and down the shelves? Looking through the
"returned and not shelved yet" book cart? Serendipity can still
happen. :>
And it is a lot more fun to look through the unshelved book cart when
it is *not* your responsibility to shelve them!
(Also a former library page.)
Ree
> Bookwyrm wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> Computer catalogs are great, but there is no way that they can
>> reproduce the wonderful serendipity of unexpected things you found in
>> the old card catalogs as you were flipping through the cards looking
>> for something else.
>
> Random meanderings up and down the shelves? Looking through the
> "returned and not shelved yet" book cart? Serendipity can still
> happen. :>
>
> And it is a lot more fun to look through the unshelved book cart when it
> is *not* your responsibility to shelve them!
>
> (Also a former library page.)
>
Me too! Though I loved picking something out to take home from the
piles as I was sorting them onto the carts.
Ree
Joe Morris
> (Also a former library page.)
which (maybe because it's early in the morning) immediately leads to the
question:
Words for a collective are sometimes rather interesting (a "pride" of lions,
a "gaggle" of geese, etc.), so what is the collective for "library pages"?
"Library books"?
Joe
Bookwyrm
Hmmm. There usually aren't *that* many pages in a typical library.
Maybe a 'Library pamphlet' or 'Library brochure'?
Yeah, that's it! A pamphlet of pages!!!
'wyrm
Bookwyrm
> Bookwyrm wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> Computer catalogs are great, but there is no way that they can
>> reproduce the wonderful serendipity of unexpected things you found in
>> the old card catalogs as you were flipping through the cards looking
>> for something else.
>
> Random meanderings up and down the shelves? Looking through the
> "returned and not shelved yet" book cart? Serendipity can still
> happen. :>
True, but I don't tend to meander among the non-fiction shelves very often.
And, my library sorts returns and keeps them on the carts in the back
room until the pages are actually actively shelving.
>
> And it is a lot more fun to look through the unshelved book cart when it
> is *not* your responsibility to shelve them!
Shelving I didn't mind. I *HATED* 'reading' the shelves!!!
And you were expected to 'read' your assigned section at least once a week.
'wyrm
Edna
Bookwyrm <Book...@comcast.net> wrote:
Oooh, I remember that task, from my college job in the music library. I
usually volunteered to do ANYTHING else, to escape "reading" the shelves.
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>
>> Bookwyrm wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>> Computer catalogs are great, but there is no way that they can
>>> reproduce the wonderful serendipity of unexpected things you found in
>>> the old card catalogs as you were flipping through the cards looking
>>> for something else.
>>
>>
>> Random meanderings up and down the shelves? Looking through the
>> "returned and not shelved yet" book cart? Serendipity can still
>> happen. :>
>
> True, but I don't tend to meander among the non-fiction shelves very often.
> And, my library sorts returns and keeps them on the carts in the back
> room until the pages are actually actively shelving.
Bigger libraries do that, the party poopers.
>> And it is a lot more fun to look through the unshelved book cart when
>> it is *not* your responsibility to shelve them!
>
> Shelving I didn't mind. I *HATED* 'reading' the shelves!!!
> And you were expected to 'read' your assigned section at least once a week.
Ah. What is "reading a shelf"?
I was a page in a small, public library. Small enough there were no
assigned sections -- I shelved all the books that were returned,
wherever they went. (Ok, I only did the children's section
occasionally, since we had a part-time children's librarian.)
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
> Joe Morris wrote:
>
>> "m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]" wrote:
>>
>>> (Also a former library page.)
>>
>>
>> which (maybe because it's early in the morning) immediately leads to
>> the question:
>>
>> Words for a collective are sometimes rather interesting (a "pride" of
>> lions, a "gaggle" of geese, etc.), so what is the collective for
>> "library pages"?
>>
>> "Library books"?
>
> Hmmm. There usually aren't *that* many pages in a typical library.
> Maybe a 'Library pamphlet' or 'Library brochure'?
>
> Yeah, that's it! A pamphlet of pages!!!
I was going to go with a Something of Squires. (Hadn't figured out
the something.)
But I like pamphlet of pages better. :>
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>> Bookwyrm wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>> Random meanderings up and down the shelves? Looking through the
>> "returned and not shelved yet" book cart? Serendipity can still
>> happen. :>
>>
>> And it is a lot more fun to look through the unshelved book cart when
>> it is *not* your responsibility to shelve them!
>>
>> (Also a former library page.)
>
> Me too! Though I loved picking something out to take home from the
> piles as I was sorting them onto the carts.
Oh, sure, I did that all the time when I actually was a library page.
These days, I just peer over the page's shoulder as s/he works, when
I want a truly random browsing experience. :>
Bookwyrm
Must have been a *small* library. ;)
'Reading the shelves' is when you're assigned a section of the library
(say the 000's through the 399's) -- you start at the beginning and you
look at each and every book in turn and make sure that they are all in
perfect numerical (or, in the case of fiction, alphabetical) order.
So that the patrons can find the book they are looking for -- because
(imagine this!) some people/patrons can't seem to put books back on the
shelf into the spot where they first found it!!!
It also involves straightening the books on the shelves, pulling them
forward to the front of the shelf (after those dear, sweet little boys
and girls have wandered down the aisles shoving all the books to the
back of the bookcases) and adding/removing bookends to get everything
upright.
It is boring as H-E-double toothpicks and you get a lovely backache from
bending over to do the bottom shelves.
Oh, it sometimes involved dusting the shelves also.
Aren't you glad you asked?
'wyrm
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>
<snip - library work>
>> Ah. What is "reading a shelf"?
>>
>> I was a page in a small, public library. Small enough there were no
>> assigned sections -- I shelved all the books that were returned,
>> wherever they went. (Ok, I only did the children's section
>> occasionally, since we had a part-time children's librarian.)
>
> Must have been a *small* library. ;)
Yep. Small library in a small city, not part of a county-wide system.
Horribly cute place -- wooden moldings above the shelves in the main
room, librarians who knew the regular visitors' names, about the last
library on earth to go digital with checking books out. (I heard
later, since that was after my time.)
sigh. Truly an ideal high school job.
> 'Reading the shelves' is when you're assigned a section of the library
> (say the 000's through the 399's) -- you start at the beginning and you
> look at each and every book in turn and make sure that they are all in
> perfect numerical (or, in the case of fiction, alphabetical) order.
> So that the patrons can find the book they are looking for -- because
> (imagine this!) some people/patrons can't seem to put books back on the
> shelf into the spot where they first found it!!!
> It also involves straightening the books on the shelves, pulling them
> forward to the front of the shelf (after those dear, sweet little boys
> and girls have wandered down the aisles shoving all the books to the
> back of the bookcases) and adding/removing bookends to get everything
> upright.
> It is boring as H-E-double toothpicks and you get a lovely backache from
> bending over to do the bottom shelves.
> Oh, it sometimes involved dusting the shelves also.
>
> Aren't you glad you asked?
That. I think I was more or less expected to do that while I shelved.
Kinda eyeball and tidy as I went. I did that, anyway. Probably
meant the cookbooks and Danielle Steel shelves stayed extra tidy,
since that's where I visited daily to return books. Popular sections. :>
I still catch myself fixing library books when I find them out of
position, and straightening tilted/shoved books. Force of habit.
Ree
> Ree wrote:
>
>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>>> Bookwyrm wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>> Random meanderings up and down the shelves? Looking through the
>>> "returned and not shelved yet" book cart? Serendipity can still
>>> happen. :>
>>>
>>> And it is a lot more fun to look through the unshelved book cart when
>>> it is *not* your responsibility to shelve them!
>>>
>>> (Also a former library page.)
>>
>> Me too! Though I loved picking something out to take home from the
>> piles as I was sorting them onto the carts.
>
> Oh, sure, I did that all the time when I actually was a library page.
> These days, I just peer over the page's shoulder as s/he works, when I
> want a truly random browsing experience. :>
>
Yup! Never know what you're going to find.....which is half the fun!
Ree
Ree
If that means what I think it means, yeah that's boring.....just going
down the shelves making sure everything is tidy and in the right place.
Yup...boring. Can't remember what we called it but it was boring.
Ree
Ree
Thought that was what you were referring too. Yup. Boring.
Ree
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"
> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>
>> <"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> [snip of the universal bibliophile black hole]
>>>I have also, occasionally, stashed fatter textbooks underneath
>>>furniture, as "dog toy rolling into inaccessible spot" prevention tools.
>>
>> {SMILE} We've decided it's better to use a block of wood to block
>> kitty-toy traps. It can be cut to length. Plus, we don't have to worry
>> about a toy rolling under and getting stuck the one time we need to look
>> up something in a book. {SMILE}
>
> At the time I started stashing, I lived in an apartment. No reason to
> have blocks of wood of any type handy, but plenty of textbooks.
>
> Fortunately, nothing has gotten stuck. :>
You are very lucky. You do realize this, don't you? {wink, Smile}
"Stuck" can be a very interesting problem. Even worse in some ways is
"lost." However, the latter can be easier to ignore after a while. {SMILE}
>>> Any chance something like that happened?
>>
>> To him? I have no idea? To my family? 100%. That's why we started
>> using
>> blocks of wood. {wryly amused Smile}
>
> And the same rule applies as for books. Right after you buy the
> replacement toy, you find the original...
:::{scamper up, excited kitty smile} More toys! Oh boy! Goody goody
Goody GOODY! More toys to play with! {scamper off}:::
:::Valentine "Val":::
Truly, we have never had a problem with "extra" kitty toys. They just
mean that you find one version of the toy faster. Hence the five
brightly-colored octopuses and over a dozen little plastic Easter eggs
around the house. {BIG SMILE, REALLY BIG GRIN, CHUCKLE, REALLY BIG GRIN}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>> "Bookwyrm" <Book...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:48792bb9$1...@news.bnb-lp.com...
>>
>>> I'm trying to do this semi-logically -- one author at a time.
>>> So *here's* where the teeth-gnashing come in -- I'm missing some of the
>>> books in some series that I *know* that I bought!!! Not a lot of books
>>> by each author -- just a singleton here and a couple there (Weber,
>>> Lackey, McCaffrey, Moon...).
>>
>> I've been cataloguing since high school. One of the beautiful things
>> about computer catalogs is that it's so easy to go back and add in
>> something you find later. Mind you, even card catalogs were designed to
>> make that as easy as possible. However, computers are even better at
>> making this easy than cards are. {BIG SMILE, REALLY BIG GRIN}
>>
>
> 90% of my working life was spent working in public libraries. Started as
> a 'page' in high school, then 'clerk', then 'librarian'.
> (No degree -- but got better scores on the civil service librarian exam
> than a newly fledged library school grad! The head librarian counted my
> previous 7 years of actual hands-on experience to substitute for the
> degree.)
> Worked in children's room, reference dept., branch library, bookmobile,
> circulation, and cataloging.
Wow. You've had a greater variety of experience working in libraries
than most folks I know who have! {SMILE}
> While I was in the cataloging dept., I drove my boss nuts sometimes
> because I felt that some of the LC (Library of Congress) assigned Dewey
> classifications and subject headings were *way* off base and wrong. (That
> was pretty obvious if you spent even 5 minutes reading the book blurbs --
> which I guessed that the LC cataloger hadn't taken the time to do.)
I wish I was surprised. {half-smile}
> Computer catalogs are great, but there is no way that they can reproduce
> the wonderful serendipity of unexpected things you found in the old card
> catalogs as you were flipping through the cards looking for something
> else.
Fortunately, there are still several other ways to happen across
interesting but unexpected items in a library. {SMILE}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
> <"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
[snip of the universal bibliophile black hole]
>>
>>>>I have also, occasionally, stashed fatter textbooks underneath
>>>>furniture, as "dog toy rolling into inaccessible spot" prevention tools.
>>>
>>> {SMILE} We've decided it's better to use a block of wood to block
>>>kitty-toy traps. It can be cut to length. Plus, we don't have to worry
>>>about a toy rolling under and getting stuck the one time we need to look
>>>up something in a book. {SMILE}
>>
>>At the time I started stashing, I lived in an apartment. No reason to
>>have blocks of wood of any type handy, but plenty of textbooks.
>>
>>Fortunately, nothing has gotten stuck. :>
>
> You are very lucky. You do realize this, don't you? {wink, Smile}
>
> "Stuck" can be a very interesting problem. Even worse in some ways is
> "lost." However, the latter can be easier to ignore after a while. {SMILE}
I make sure there is space between book and bottom of furniture. I
just need the empty space to be smaller than most dog toys. :>
<snip>
>>And the same rule applies as for books. Right after you buy the
>>replacement toy, you find the original...
>
> :::{scamper up, excited kitty smile} More toys! Oh boy! Goody goody
> Goody GOODY! More toys to play with! {scamper off}:::
>
> :::Valentine "Val":::
>
>
> Truly, we have never had a problem with "extra" kitty toys. They just
> mean that you find one version of the toy faster. Hence the five
> brightly-colored octopuses and over a dozen little plastic Easter eggs
> around the house. {BIG SMILE, REALLY BIG GRIN, CHUCKLE, REALLY BIG GRIN}
Over a dozen?
Ok, I'm feeling better about my possibly excessive ball collection.
And I could have sworn I had a mini, teal, ball-on-a-rope, but now I
can only find a medium, orange, ball-on-a-rope. And I just know that
as soon as I buy a new mini ball-on-a-rope...
Kat Hein
> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>
>> <"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
> [snip of the universal bibliophile black hole]
>>>
>>>>> I have also, occasionally, stashed fatter textbooks underneath
>>>>> furniture, as "dog toy rolling into inaccessible spot" prevention
>>>>> tools.
>>>>
>>>> {SMILE} We've decided it's better to use a block of wood to block
>>>> kitty-toy traps. It can be cut to length. Plus, we don't have to
>>>> worry about a toy rolling under and getting stuck the one time we
>>>> need to look
>>>> up something in a book. {SMILE}
>>>
>>> At the time I started stashing, I lived in an apartment. No reason
>>> to have blocks of wood of any type handy, but plenty of textbooks.
We are still using a piece of styrofoam from a microwave packaging to
prevent the Roomba from going under the TV stand and getting caught up
in the wires. (The invisible walls are good for keeping it in the room,
but not so good for that)
We did, however, move up to the 2x4 method from preventing our new
reclining couch from being pushed back against the wall.
>>>
>>> Fortunately, nothing has gotten stuck. :>
>>
>> You are very lucky. You do realize this, don't you? {wink, Smile}
>>
>> "Stuck" can be a very interesting problem. Even worse in some ways
>> is "lost." However, the latter can be easier to ignore after a while.
>> {SMILE}
>
> I make sure there is space between book and bottom of furniture. I just
> need the empty space to be smaller than most dog toys. :>
>
Easier with dog toys than with cat toys. Or at least with what cats
consider toys. The ring off the milk jug and (stolen from my
stash)ponytail holders are the best kitty toys EVER, and Christopher
likes to remind us how easily they slip under the scale. Usually at
about 3 AM when he's rattling it, trying to retrieve one. When I move
it to clean the bathroom floor, there are always 2 or 3 under it. I
don't want to think about how many are probably under the stove and
refrigerator. *GGG*
Kat
Bookwyrm
> Easier with dog toys than with cat toys. Or at least with what cats
> consider toys. The ring off the milk jug and (stolen from my
> stash)ponytail holders are the best kitty toys EVER, and Christopher
> likes to remind us how easily they slip under the scale. Usually at
> about 3 AM when he's rattling it, trying to retrieve one. When I move
> it to clean the bathroom floor, there are always 2 or 3 under it. I
> don't want to think about how many are probably under the stove and
> refrigerator. *GGG*
>
Older Son & DIL figure that there are likely a minimum of 12 of those
little stuffed 'mice' under the refrigerator.
And they'd love to figure out why one of their cats will only play with
*red* mice.
I just have a dog that *loves* squeaky toys. And, after an hour or so
of constant playing with each new squeaky, *loves* to rip it apart and
de-squeak it.
Then pull out all the stuffings (if such exist).
'wyrm
victoreia
[snip of "reading shelves" explanation]
> I still catch myself fixing library books when I find them out of
> position, and straightening tilted/shoved books. Force of habit.
>
Oh, good, I'm not the only person in the world who does that.
(Especially with series I'm really familiar with, or that are
conveniently numbered on the spines.......)
--
victoreia ("No, _Magic's Price_ comes *after* _Magic's Pawn_ and
*before* _Brightly Burning_! Idiots!")
Goddess of Dark Chocolate
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m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>
>> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>>> <"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote in
>>> message
>>>> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>>
[snip of the universal bibliophile black hole]
>>>> reason to have blocks of wood of any type handy, but plenty
>>>> of textbooks.
>
> We are still using a piece of styrofoam from a microwave packaging
> to prevent the Roomba from going under the TV stand and getting
> caught up in the wires. (The invisible walls are good for keeping
> it in the room, but not so good for that)
<snicker> I've got my only partially functional CD player blocking
the Roomba from a particularly nasty tangle of wires in my living
room. The Roomba is pretty good with wires, but it has limits.
Styrofoam chunks didn't occur to me. And I replaced my old microwave
recently, too! (IMHO, microwaves should not make noises like "clunk",
and my old one was.)
Dunno what I'm going to do when I finally find a spot that is not on
the floor to put the stereo. (I'll think of one, I'll think of one...
eventually.)
> We did, however, move up to the 2x4 method from preventing our new
> reclining couch from being pushed back against the wall.
Ooooooo. Reclining couch.... posh.
<snip - losing pet toys>
>> I make sure there is space between book and bottom of furniture.
>> I just need the empty space to be smaller than most dog toys. :>
>
> Easier with dog toys than with cat toys. Or at least with what cats
> consider toys. The ring off the milk jug and (stolen from my
> stash)ponytail holders are the best kitty toys EVER, and
> Christopher likes to remind us how easily they slip under the
> scale. Usually at about 3 AM when he's rattling it, trying to
> retrieve one. When I move it to clean the bathroom floor, there
> are always 2 or 3 under it. I don't want to think about how many
> are probably under the stove and refrigerator. *GGG*
Yeah. Dogs will choke themselves on small objects, so if a toy gets
down to a certain size, I toss it.
I believe, in fact, that the Chihuahua may have figured out that habit
of mine... and may have just hidden his rawhide. I've been watching
him demolish the rawhide all afternoon, and the remains are getting in
to choking range. But I don't see them at the moment. Did he just
hide the small piece?
(Oh, goody. I get to run my fingers under blankets and furniture,
looking for something a dog has been slobbering on all afternoon. Joy.)
Ring off a milk jug is a toy? Who knew?
Is the fridge on wheels? Some are. The stove... yeah, just don't
think about it.
Edna
Bookwyrm <Book...@comcast.net> wrote:
We stopped buying squeaky toys, after coming home too many times to find
stuffing all over the back yard. We mostly buy tennis balls by the dozen.
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
> Kat Hein wrote:
>
>> Easier with dog toys than with cat toys. Or at least with what
>> cats consider toys. The ring off the milk jug and (stolen from my
>> stash)ponytail holders are the best kitty toys EVER, and
>> Christopher likes to remind us how easily they slip under the
>> scale. Usually at about 3 AM when he's rattling it, trying to
>> retrieve one. When I move it to clean the bathroom floor, there
>> are always 2 or 3 under it. I don't want to think about how many
>> are probably under the stove and refrigerator. *GGG*
>
> Older Son & DIL figure that there are likely a minimum of 12 of
> those little stuffed 'mice' under the refrigerator. And they'd love
> to figure out why one of their cats will only play with *red* mice.
So much for the theory cats are color-blind. :>
> I just have a dog that *loves* squeaky toys. And, after an hour or
> so of constant playing with each new squeaky, *loves* to rip it
> apart and de-squeak it. Then pull out all the stuffings (if such
> exist).
One hour? That's fast work!
If it helps, my 10 year old dog (and I think yours is younger) is
fairly mellow about his squeaky toy. Adores it, but mainly wants to
throw/chase/carry. Every few months he gets a mad on, and the toy
goes from tolerable to fluff on the floor. Maybe your dog will mature
to a slower rate of destruction, too. ;>
Bookwyrm
> In article <487f8d95$1...@news.bnb-lp.com>,
> Bookwyrm <Book...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I just have a dog that *loves* squeaky toys. And, after an hour or so
>> of constant playing with each new squeaky, *loves* to rip it apart and
>> de-squeak it.
>> Then pull out all the stuffings (if such exist).
>
> We stopped buying squeaky toys, after coming home too many times to find
> stuffing all over the back yard. We mostly buy tennis balls by the dozen.
>
Unfortunately, Miss Gabriella Goodwoofer distains tennis balls.
She wants lightweight balls/containers about golf ball size that she can
toss into the air and pounce upon.
Old squeakers removed from toys also work nicely.
'wyrm
Bookwyrm
> Bookwyrm wrote:
>
>> so of constant playing with each new squeaky, *loves* to rip it
>> apart and de-squeak it. Then pull out all the stuffings (if such
>> exist).
>
> One hour? That's fast work!
Occasionally, she's decapitated a squeaky in about 20 minutes from the
first time she got her paws on it.
>
> If it helps, my 10 year old dog (and I think yours is younger) is fairly
> mellow about his squeaky toy. Adores it, but mainly wants to
> throw/chase/carry. Every few months he gets a mad on, and the toy goes
> from tolerable to fluff on the floor. Maybe your dog will mature to a
> slower rate of destruction, too. ;>
>
Gabby is 3.5 yrs old. Unbelievably, she has *one* intact squeaky (a
bone-shaped fuzzy one -- about 6' long) that she has had for about 2
years now!!
She loves to pick it up (after carefully moving it around in her mouth
until she has it *just right*) and stand in the middle of the room
deliberately squeaking and squeaking and squeaking and squeaking....
Needless to say, she is very acutely interested in sounds.
'Fetch' only holds her interest for a limited length of time.
Whereas, 'grab a slipper and chase me' is good for more time than the
humans have patience for. (Especially since her favorite place to run
and hide is under the living room coffee table.)
'wyrm
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> Bookwyrm wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> Computer catalogs are great, but there is no way that they can reproduce
>> the wonderful serendipity of unexpected things you found in the old card
>> catalogs as you were flipping through the cards looking for something
>> else.
>
> Random meanderings up and down the shelves? Looking through the
> "returned and not shelved yet" book cart? Serendipity can still happen.
> :>
{Smile} Yes, there are still lots of ways to find interesting things you
never expected to see in a library. {BIG SMILE, REALLY BIG GRIN}
> And it is a lot more fun to look through the unshelved book cart when it
> is *not* your responsibility to shelve them!
>
> (Also a former library page.)
I noticed that too. {SMILE}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
news:487d8ed3$1...@news.bnb-lp.com...
Yes, that is entirely too tempting, isn't it? {REALLY BIG GRIN}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
news:g5khg...@news2.newsguy.com...
I don't know, but that question deserves a point! {REALLY BIG GRIN}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
{GRIN} That's even alliterative! {REALLY BIG GRIN}
I think you deserve a point for that! {REALLY BIG GRIN}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>> Bookwyrm wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>> Computer catalogs are great, but there is no way that they can
>>> reproduce the wonderful serendipity of unexpected things you found in
>>> the old card catalogs as you were flipping through the cards looking
>>> for something else.
>>
>> Random meanderings up and down the shelves? Looking through the
>> "returned and not shelved yet" book cart? Serendipity can still happen.
>> :>
>
> True, but I don't tend to meander among the non-fiction shelves very
> often.
> And, my library sorts returns and keeps them on the carts in the back
> room until the pages are actually actively shelving.
Maybe you could check it out while the pages are shelving? I'm sure they
wouldn't mind if you walked off with a couple books "prematurely. {REALLY
BIG GRIN}
>> And it is a lot more fun to look through the unshelved book cart when it
>> is *not* your responsibility to shelve them!
>
> Shelving I didn't mind. I *HATED* 'reading' the shelves!!!
> And you were expected to 'read' your assigned section at least once a
> week.
Fortunately, I didn't mind shelf reading. I did that in high school My
section was the 600's and 700's for the first semester, when I took a new
course that involved this. Then we got to second semester. I was one of two
students who stuck with it. Suddenly the whole library was "ours" when we
had a few spare minutes. {lop-sided Smile}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> Bookwyrm wrote:
>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>>> Bookwyrm wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>> Computer catalogs are great, but there is no way that they can
>>>> reproduce the wonderful serendipity of unexpected things you found in
>>>> the old card catalogs as you were flipping through the cards looking
>>>> for something else.
>>>
>>>
>>> Random meanderings up and down the shelves? Looking through the
>>> "returned and not shelved yet" book cart? Serendipity can still
>>> happen. :>
>>
>> True, but I don't tend to meander among the non-fiction shelves very
>> often.
>> And, my library sorts returns and keeps them on the carts in the back
>> room until the pages are actually actively shelving.
>
> Bigger libraries do that, the party poopers.
Around here, it's by library type. The little tiny school libraries keep
the book truck in back. I think the public libraries, which tend to be
larger, do, too. However, the university libraries, which tend to be
larger, have sorting shelves where patrons can get to them. I think it's
because students tend to have the same assignment at the same time. {smile}
If they keep the sorting shelves where patrons can get to them, they don't
have to keep checking them for such-and-so a book. {SMILE}
If you'd prefer to think of it as the university
>>> And it is a lot more fun to look through the unshelved book cart when
>>> it is *not* your responsibility to shelve them!
>>
>> Shelving I didn't mind. I *HATED* 'reading' the shelves!!!
>> And you were expected to 'read' your assigned section at least once a
>> week.
>
> Ah. What is "reading a shelf"?
Making sure it's in the right order and reasonably straight. {lop-sided
smile}
> I was a page in a small, public library. Small enough there were no
> assigned sections -- I shelved all the books that were returned, wherever
> they went. (Ok, I only did the children's section occasionally, since we
> had a part-time children's librarian.)
Interesting. At our admittedly fair-sized public library, the volunteers
are encouraged to do the easy-reading books, which are shelved roughly at
best. Staff get anything that requires knowing a system. {Smile}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>> Bookwyrm wrote:
>>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>>>> Bookwyrm wrote:
>>>>
<snip>
>>
>>>> it is *not* your responsibility to shelve them!
>>>
>>> Shelving I didn't mind. I *HATED* 'reading' the shelves!!!
>>> And you were expected to 'read' your assigned section at least once a
>>> week.
>>
>> Ah. What is "reading a shelf"?
>>
>> I was a page in a small, public library. Small enough there were no
>> assigned sections -- I shelved all the books that were returned,
>> wherever they went. (Ok, I only did the children's section
>> occasionally, since we had a part-time children's librarian.)
>>
>
> Must have been a *small* library. ;)
>
> 'Reading the shelves' is when you're assigned a section of the library
> (say the 000's through the 399's) -- you start at the beginning and you
> look at each and every book in turn and make sure that they are all in
> perfect numerical (or, in the case of fiction, alphabetical) order.
> So that the patrons can find the book they are looking for -- because
> (imagine this!) some people/patrons can't seem to put books back on the
> shelf into the spot where they first found it!!!
> It also involves straightening the books on the shelves, pulling them
> forward to the front of the shelf (after those dear, sweet little boys
> and girls have wandered down the aisles shoving all the books to the back
> of the bookcases) and adding/removing bookends to get everything upright.
> It is boring as H-E-double toothpicks and you get a lovely backache from
> bending over to do the bottom shelves.
{blink} I've been dragging kickstands over to sit on when trying to
reach the lower shelves since I was in high school. It's more comfortable
than sitting on the floor, easier to get up from than the floor, and much
less backache prone than bending. {Smile}
These days, it even agrees with my balance. {BIG SMILE}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
Kat Hein
My parents always de-squeak the toys before they are given to the dogs.
They have 4, and the ONLY thing that will cause dog fights in the living
room is a squeaky toy.
For years, my now departed Cocker Spaniel went through a series of (the
old 80's toy) "pound purries" that we picked up at flea markets on the
cheap. They seemed to last longer than "dog toys" He would pull out the
stuffings, and then when it got too disgusting and smelly, it would be
replaced. He was silly/smart, because we'd tell him "Go get your kitty"
and he'd bring it, but in the later stages, we could say that OR "Go get
your rag" and he knew what we meant! How excited he would be to see a
new kitty when we gave it to him, though! *G*
Unlike the other Cocker, who loved tennis balls, but hated the new ones
when the old one got too fragrant. When she retired it, she'd have to
immediately take it out to the garbage can, because if she threw it away
inside, he'd stand by the trash can and whine and cry! If it wasn't in
the house, he'd just mope for a day or so before taking to the new ball.
But he never was far from a tennis ball. He'd sleep with it under his
ear. And try to kill humans by hopefully tossing it under your feet at
very inopportune times. *G* I tried telling him once that if he killed
us all by making us fall down the stairs, there would be no one left to
ever throw his ball for him! ROFL
Kat
Kat Hein
> In article <487f8d95$1...@news.bnb-lp.com>,
> Bookwyrm <Book...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Kat Hein wrote:
>>
>>> Easier with dog toys than with cat toys. Or at least with what cats
>>> consider toys. The ring off the milk jug and (stolen from my
>>> stash)ponytail holders are the best kitty toys EVER, and Christopher
>>> likes to remind us how easily they slip under the scale. Usually at
>>> about 3 AM when he's rattling it, trying to retrieve one. When I move
>>> it to clean the bathroom floor, there are always 2 or 3 under it. I
>>> don't want to think about how many are probably under the stove and
>>> refrigerator. *GGG*
>>>
>> Older Son & DIL figure that there are likely a minimum of 12 of those
>> little stuffed 'mice' under the refrigerator.
>> And they'd love to figure out why one of their cats will only play with
>> *red* mice.
>>
>> I just have a dog that *loves* squeaky toys. And, after an hour or so
>> of constant playing with each new squeaky, *loves* to rip it apart and
>> de-squeak it.
>> Then pull out all the stuffings (if such exist).
>
> We stopped buying squeaky toys, after coming home too many times to find
> stuffing all over the back yard. We mostly buy tennis balls by the dozen.
>
> Edna
>
Kat
Kat Hein
> Bookwyrm wrote:
>
>> Kat Hein wrote:
>>
>>> Easier with dog toys than with cat toys. Or at least with what
>>> cats consider toys. The ring off the milk jug and (stolen from my
>>> stash)ponytail holders are the best kitty toys EVER, and
>>> Christopher likes to remind us how easily they slip under the
>>> scale. Usually at about 3 AM when he's rattling it, trying to
>>> retrieve one. When I move it to clean the bathroom floor, there
>>> are always 2 or 3 under it. I don't want to think about how many
>>> are probably under the stove and refrigerator. *GGG*
>>
>> Older Son & DIL figure that there are likely a minimum of 12 of
>> those little stuffed 'mice' under the refrigerator. And they'd love
>> to figure out why one of their cats will only play with *red* mice.
>
> So much for the theory cats are color-blind. :>
My old cat would prefer to sleep on BLUE blankets. We had a pink and
blue one that were the same, and he chose the blue, and when it got
retired, it was replaced with a different type of blue one, and he'd
still seek it out. Christopher's favorite bed is a BLACK nylon
suitcase/briefcase/backpack. In a room full of choices, he will always
choose the black case. If there is no black, he will settle for navy and
then dark green.
>
>> I just have a dog that *loves* squeaky toys. And, after an hour or
>> so of constant playing with each new squeaky, *loves* to rip it
>> apart and de-squeak it. Then pull out all the stuffings (if such
>> exist).
>
> One hour? That's fast work!
Sounds about right. My parents' Jack Russel is dedicated like that, too.
Kat
Kat Hein
> Kat Hein wrote:
>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>>
>>> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>>>> <"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote in
>>>> message
>>>>> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>>>
> [snip of the universal bibliophile black hole]
>>>>> At the time I started stashing, I lived in an apartment. No
>>>>> reason to have blocks of wood of any type handy, but plenty
>>>>> of textbooks.
>>
>> We are still using a piece of styrofoam from a microwave packaging
>> to prevent the Roomba from going under the TV stand and getting
>> caught up in the wires. (The invisible walls are good for keeping
>> it in the room, but not so good for that)
>
> <snicker> I've got my only partially functional CD player blocking the
> Roomba from a particularly nasty tangle of wires in my living room. The
> Roomba is pretty good with wires, but it has limits.
A couple cables/cords on the floor- no problem. A mass of cables and
cords? Then it is likely to get stuck, especially since it very narrowly
fits under there, to begin with.
>
> Styrofoam chunks didn't occur to me. And I replaced my old microwave
> recently, too! (IMHO, microwaves should not make noises like "clunk",
> and my old one was.)
No... I'd say that's a very bad sound coming from a microwave. We'd
gotten rid of ours 2 apartments ago, when we got an apartment with a
good one and wanted the counter space, and then needed to replace it
when we moved here.
>
> Dunno what I'm going to do when I finally find a spot that is not on the
> floor to put the stereo. (I'll think of one, I'll think of one...
> eventually.)
*GGG* Before the styrofoam, we were using a couple board game boxes.
Luckily, it doesn't have to be much, just something for the Roomba to
bounce against.
>
>> We did, however, move up to the 2x4 method from preventing our new
>> reclining couch from being pushed back against the wall.
>
> Ooooooo. Reclining couch.... posh.
We got rid of our old couches in the last move, and only had the sofa
bed to sit on- seating 2 people. :D We'd wanted a sectional with
recliners for years, but don't have room for it right now, so settled on
a couch with dual recliners. I think the cats love it as much as we do-
especially since the back cushions are nice and cushy and in front of
the windows, for prime Bird Watching in comfort. Then inn the evenings,
we will have one cat between us on the seat, another cat between us on
the back, and the 3rd one normally on my lap or armrest.
>
> <snip - losing pet toys>
>>> I make sure there is space between book and bottom of furniture.
>>> I just need the empty space to be smaller than most dog toys. :>
>>
>> Easier with dog toys than with cat toys. Or at least with what cats
>> consider toys. The ring off the milk jug and (stolen from my
>> stash)ponytail holders are the best kitty toys EVER, and
>> Christopher likes to remind us how easily they slip under the
>> scale. Usually at about 3 AM when he's rattling it, trying to
>> retrieve one. When I move it to clean the bathroom floor, there
>> are always 2 or 3 under it. I don't want to think about how many
>> are probably under the stove and refrigerator. *GGG*
>
> Yeah. Dogs will choke themselves on small objects, so if a toy gets
> down to a certain size, I toss it.
>
> I believe, in fact, that the Chihuahua may have figured out that habit
> of mine... and may have just hidden his rawhide. I've been watching him
> demolish the rawhide all afternoon, and the remains are getting in to
> choking range. But I don't see them at the moment. Did he just hide
> the small piece?
They do always resent the loss of those small bits, don't they? Our cats
fairly regularly try to kill themselves, too, though. Bella thinks
rubberbands and twist ties are good to eat. *roll eyes* I keep telling
her that one of these days, her luck is going to run out and I don't
appreciate what that will cost us in vet bills!
>
> (Oh, goody. I get to run my fingers under blankets and furniture,
> looking for something a dog has been slobbering on all afternoon. Joy.)
>
> Ring off a milk jug is a toy? Who knew?
>
> Is the fridge on wheels? Some are. The stove... yeah, just don't think
> about it.
>
No, fridge is not on wheels. So there they will stay until we move.
And rings off plastic milk jugs have always been a favorite of all the
cats I've had. They are easy to carry around, they go far when tossed
in the air, and slide nicely across hard floors. What more could a cat
ask for in a toy? *GGG* Now why they have to be deposited in my shoes, I
don't know. But Christopher has always done that- and before I moved out
here, he'd almost always "pack" one in my suitcase when I went back to
Ohio.
Kat
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>
>> Bookwyrm wrote:
>> If it helps, my 10 year old dog (and I think yours is younger) is
>> fairly mellow about his squeaky toy. Adores it, but mainly wants to
>> throw/chase/carry. Every few months he gets a mad on, and the toy
>> goes from tolerable to fluff on the floor. Maybe your dog will mature
>> to a slower rate of destruction, too. ;>
>
> Gabby is 3.5 yrs old. Unbelievably, she has *one* intact squeaky (a
> bone-shaped fuzzy one -- about 6' long) that she has had for about 2
> years now!!
That's the one! My dog would probably leave me if I didn't keep him
supplied with bone-shaped fuzzy toys that have squeakers in them.
> She loves to pick it up (after carefully moving it around in her mouth
> until she has it *just right*) and stand in the middle of the room
> deliberately squeaking and squeaking and squeaking and squeaking....
Urk. Um. Ah. What a, uh, lovely hobby for her...
> Needless to say, she is very acutely interested in sounds.
> 'Fetch' only holds her interest for a limited length of time.
> Whereas, 'grab a slipper and chase me' is good for more time than the
> humans have patience for. (Especially since her favorite place to run
> and hide is under the living room coffee table.)
I've also never had much luck getting a good fetch game going. Chase,
though, is loved. Possibly because the speed and turning radius
advantage that a small canine has over a large, clunky human makes the
game a walkover for the dog.
That "sprint under the coffee table then squirt out into the gap
between couch and end table in order to circle into the 6 inch gap
between couch and wall" trick is popular here, too.
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>
>> Kat Hein wrote:
>>
>>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>>> We did, however, move up to the 2x4 method from preventing our new
>>> reclining couch from being pushed back against the wall.
>>
>> Ooooooo. Reclining couch.... posh.
>
> We got rid of our old couches in the last move, and only had the sofa
> bed to sit on- seating 2 people. :D We'd wanted a sectional with
> recliners for years, but don't have room for it right now, so settled on
> a couch with dual recliners. I think the cats love it as much as we do-
> especially since the back cushions are nice and cushy and in front of
> the windows, for prime Bird Watching in comfort. Then inn the evenings,
> we will have one cat between us on the seat, another cat between us on
> the back, and the 3rd one normally on my lap or armrest.
Sectionals do look so comfy... The prior owners of my house had a
sectional in the living room.
And that was the *only* thing in the living room. (Ok, shelving for
TV, too.) Small room.
So no sectionals for me in the immediate future. No reclining
couches, either -- would require too much clearance behind the couch.
I do, finally (finally, finally, finally!) have a cushy couch.
Loveseat. I used a wooden armed loveseat for years, and got very
tired of clunking my elbow or head on the frame all the time.
Cushy is very popular with the small and furry crowd. :>
(No, the couch is not a jungle gym!)
<snip - losing pet toys>
>> Yeah. Dogs will choke themselves on small objects, so if a toy gets
>> down to a certain size, I toss it.
>>
>> I believe, in fact, that the Chihuahua may have figured out that habit
>> of mine... and may have just hidden his rawhide. I've been watching
>> him demolish the rawhide all afternoon, and the remains are getting in
>> to choking range. But I don't see them at the moment. Did he just
>> hide the small piece?
>
> They do always resent the loss of those small bits, don't they? Our cats
> fairly regularly try to kill themselves, too, though. Bella thinks
> rubberbands and twist ties are good to eat. *roll eyes* I keep telling
> her that one of these days, her luck is going to run out and I don't
> appreciate what that will cost us in vet bills!
Eating rubber bands?
Oh, gods, what a terrifying hobby.
<snip>
> And rings off plastic milk jugs have always been a favorite of all the
> cats I've had. They are easy to carry around, they go far when tossed
> in the air, and slide nicely across hard floors. What more could a cat
> ask for in a toy? *GGG* Now why they have to be deposited in my shoes, I
> don't know. But Christopher has always done that- and before I moved out
> here, he'd almost always "pack" one in my suitcase when I went back to
> Ohio.
A person just has to wonder about cat logic, sometimes. Perhaps they
think a nice foot odor would improve the fun of the milk jug ring?
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
news:852a9$487eff24$23...@news.teranews.com...
> On 7/16/2008 1:21 PM, m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
> [snip of "reading shelves" explanation]
>
>> I still catch myself fixing library books when I find them out of
>> position, and straightening tilted/shoved books. Force of habit.
>
> Oh, good, I'm not the only person in the world who does that. (Especially
> with series I'm really familiar with, or that are conveniently numbered
> on the spines.......)
Unfortunately, in my paperback collection I've reached the point where
internal order needs to take a back seat to fitting as many books on the
shelves as feasible. The shelves are short enough, the gaps at the end add
up entirely too much. So if 5 is just enough slimmer than 2 that it fits on
the earlier shelf, then the series will line up 1,5,2,3,4... {lopsided
smile}
> victoreia ("No, _Magic's Price_ comes *after* _Magic's Pawn_ and *before*
> _Brightly Burning_! Idiots!")
{SMILE}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
Kathleen Hein
> Kat Hein wrote:
>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>>
>>> Kat Hein wrote:
>>>
>>>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
> <snip>
>>>> We did, however, move up to the 2x4 method from preventing our new
>>>> reclining couch from being pushed back against the wall.
>>>
>>> Ooooooo. Reclining couch.... posh.
>>
>> We got rid of our old couches in the last move, and only had the sofa
>> bed to sit on- seating 2 people. :D We'd wanted a sectional with
>> recliners for years, but don't have room for it right now, so settled
>> on a couch with dual recliners. I think the cats love it as much as we
>> do- especially since the back cushions are nice and cushy and in front
>> between us on the back, and the 3rd one normally on my lap or armrest.
>
> Sectionals do look so comfy... The prior owners of my house had a
> sectional in the living room.
>
> And that was the *only* thing in the living room. (Ok, shelving for TV,
> too.) Small room.
>
> So no sectionals for me in the immediate future. No reclining couches,
> either -- would require too much clearance behind the couch.
>
The modern ones actually aren't that bad. We only need 3-4 inches. The
perfect amount of space for cats to climb/hide behind, in fact. *G*
We're not exactly swimming in extra space ourselves.
> I do, finally (finally, finally, finally!) have a cushy couch.
> Loveseat. I used a wooden armed loveseat for years, and got very tired
> of clunking my elbow or head on the frame all the time.
>
> Cushy is very popular with the small and furry crowd. :>
>
> (No, the couch is not a jungle gym!)
But of course it is! *GGG* Only silly humans don't see its full potential.
>
> <snip - losing pet toys>
>>> Yeah. Dogs will choke themselves on small objects, so if a toy gets
>>> down to a certain size, I toss it.
>>>
>>> I believe, in fact, that the Chihuahua may have figured out that
>>> habit of mine... and may have just hidden his rawhide. I've been
>>> watching him demolish the rawhide all afternoon, and the remains are
>>> getting in to choking range. But I don't see them at the moment.
>>> Did he just hide the small piece?
>>
>> They do always resent the loss of those small bits, don't they? Our
>> cats fairly regularly try to kill themselves, too, though. Bella
>> thinks rubberbands and twist ties are good to eat. *roll eyes* I keep
>> telling her that one of these days, her luck is going to run out and I
>> don't appreciate what that will cost us in vet bills!
>
> Eating rubber bands?
>
> Oh, gods, what a terrifying hobby.
Cats like to eat all kinds of things that can get trapped in their
intestines. Tinsel from Xmas trees being among the most favorite. But
it's a lot easier to keep tinsel out of the house than rubber bands and
twist ties. Especially when she will dig them out of the trash.
>
> <snip>
>> And rings off plastic milk jugs have always been a favorite of all the
>> cats I've had. They are easy to carry around, they go far when tossed
>> in the air, and slide nicely across hard floors. What more could a cat
>> ask for in a toy? *GGG* Now why they have to be deposited in my shoes,
>> I don't know. But Christopher has always done that- and before I moved
>> out here, he'd almost always "pack" one in my suitcase when I went
>> back to Ohio.
>
> A person just has to wonder about cat logic, sometimes. Perhaps they
> think a nice foot odor would improve the fun of the milk jug ring?
>
If he remembered to go back to them and retrieve them, I'd believe this.
He does love to sleep with his head tucked inside a shoe. But no, these
toys just get placed there until I go to wear the shoe and empty it out.
Kat
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>
>> Kat Hein wrote:
>>
>>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
<snip>
>>> bed to sit on- seating 2 people. :D We'd wanted a sectional with
>>> recliners for years, but don't have room for it right now, so settled
>>> on a couch with dual recliners. I think the cats love it as much as
>>> we do- especially since the back cushions are nice and cushy and in
>>> front of the windows, for prime Bird Watching in comfort. Then in the
>>> evenings, we will have one cat between us on the seat, another cat
>>> between us on the back, and the 3rd one normally on my lap or armrest.
>>
>> Sectionals do look so comfy... The prior owners of my house had a
>> sectional in the living room.
>>
>> And that was the *only* thing in the living room. (Ok, shelving for
>> TV, too.) Small room.
>>
>> So no sectionals for me in the immediate future. No reclining
>> couches, either -- would require too much clearance behind the couch.
>
> The modern ones actually aren't that bad. We only need 3-4 inches. The
> perfect amount of space for cats to climb/hide behind, in fact. *G*
> We're not exactly swimming in extra space ourselves.
Hmmm. It is possible that you shopped at a better furniture store
than I did. The reclining couches I saw all needed more space than
that... But you're closer to San Francisco. Furniture stores may
carry more "stuff for a small space" where you are.
Or maybe I was simply so distracted by the huge reclining monsters I
never noticed less sizeable options. It would be fun to have a couch
big enough to sleep on.
Ah, well. At least I've finally achieved a couch large enough to
sprawl on.
<snip - losing pet toys>
>>> They do always resent the loss of those small bits, don't they? Our
>>> cats fairly regularly try to kill themselves, too, though. Bella
>>> thinks rubberbands and twist ties are good to eat. *roll eyes* I keep
>>> telling her that one of these days, her luck is going to run out and
>>> I don't appreciate what that will cost us in vet bills!
>>
>> Eating rubber bands?
>>
>> Oh, gods, what a terrifying hobby.
>
> Cats like to eat all kinds of things that can get trapped in their
> intestines. Tinsel from Xmas trees being among the most favorite. But
> it's a lot easier to keep tinsel out of the house than rubber bands and
> twist ties. Especially when she will dig them out of the trash.
Digs them out of the trash?
Oh, that's simply cheating!
I suppose those finger-thwapping metal trash cans with the foot pedals
can discourage cat-in-trash-ness. But, no, no realistic way to keep
rubber bands out of the house.
I'm considering one of the cans with lids for my bedroom. Silly small
boy has developed a new hobby -- emptying stuff out of the bedroom
trash. Mostly tissues and the contents of the Roomba's vacuuming bin
-- not stuff I want back out on the floor again!
<snip>
>> A person just has to wonder about cat logic, sometimes. Perhaps they
>> think a nice foot odor would improve the fun of the milk jug ring?
>
> If he remembered to go back to them and retrieve them, I'd believe this.
> He does love to sleep with his head tucked inside a shoe. But no, these
> toys just get placed there until I go to wear the shoe and empty it out.
Maybe kitty is like me. Great one for planning improvements, but not
so good at follow through. I plan improvements to this and that all
the time... rarely actually get the job all the way done, however.
Maybe kitty does, too.
Sleeps with his head in a shoe? Oooo, oooo, oooo! I know another
kitty he should meet! They'd be pals!
Or they'd fight over smelly shoes.
But I know another kitty that sleeps with her head in shoes, too.
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"
We had a few Easter eggs. We gave them to Valentine to play with. He
loved them. A couple got lost. Not all that got lost got found again We
counted eggs, and came up with "not that many left." We decided we needed
more eggs. It was nearing Easter, so on his next trip tot he store, Dad
looked for more. He came home with a twelve pack. Voila! Over a dozen eggs.
{REALLY BIG GRIN}
> Ok, I'm feeling better about my possibly excessive ball collection.
If they're for the dogs, it's not excessive. You're just making sure you
have enough they won't all get lost at once. {REALLY BIG GRIN}
> And I could have sworn I had a mini, teal, ball-on-a-rope, but now I can
> only find a medium, orange, ball-on-a-rope. And I just know that as soon
> as I buy a new mini ball-on-a-rope...
This means you'd have two mini balls-on-ropes? {pause}
What is the problem? You have two dogs. You have two hands to hold toys.
This seems like the perfect number anyway. {REALLY BIG GRIN, wink}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
Kat Hein
> Kathleen Hein wrote:
<snip>
>>>
>>> So no sectionals for me in the immediate future. No reclining
>>> couches, either -- would require too much clearance behind the couch.
>>
>> The modern ones actually aren't that bad. We only need 3-4 inches. The
>> perfect amount of space for cats to climb/hide behind, in fact. *G*
>> We're not exactly swimming in extra space ourselves.
>
> Hmmm. It is possible that you shopped at a better furniture store than
> I did. The reclining couches I saw all needed more space than that...
> But you're closer to San Francisco. Furniture stores may carry more
> "stuff for a small space" where you are.
>
> Or maybe I was simply so distracted by the huge reclining monsters I
> never noticed less sizeable options. It would be fun to have a couch
> big enough to sleep on.
>
> Ah, well. At least I've finally achieved a couch large enough to sprawl
> on.
*shrug* We caught a sale at La-Z-Boy. They even have "zero clearance"
(reported to really be an inch clearance) models, that cost considerably
more than we paid. Other manufacturers refer to those as "wall huggers."
We looked at Jennifer's Convertibles, since they have low prices, but
all of their less expensive models are huge things and need 6 inches or
more of clearance. And the more expensive ones aren't nearly as sturdy
or come with a lifetime warranty on the mechanism.
<snip>
>>
>> Cats like to eat all kinds of things that can get trapped in their
>> intestines. Tinsel from Xmas trees being among the most favorite. But
>> it's a lot easier to keep tinsel out of the house than rubber bands
>> and twist ties. Especially when she will dig them out of the trash.
>
> Digs them out of the trash?
>
> Oh, that's simply cheating!
>
> I suppose those finger-thwapping metal trash cans with the foot pedals
> can discourage cat-in-trash-ness. But, no, no realistic way to keep
> rubber bands out of the house.
>
> I'm considering one of the cans with lids for my bedroom. Silly small
> boy has developed a new hobby -- emptying stuff out of the bedroom
> trash. Mostly tissues and the contents of the Roomba's vacuuming bin --
> not stuff I want back out on the floor again!
>
We keep looking at them, since she will also dig bones out of the trash,
if one smells tempting enough. 2 apartments ago, we had enough room
under the sink- and space elsewhere for pots and pans- that the garbage
fit nicely in there and she couldn't get to it. Because even if you
close up the top of the bag, she will claw her way inside. She is a
very naughty and determined cat, sometimes.
> <snip>
>>> A person just has to wonder about cat logic, sometimes. Perhaps they
>>> think a nice foot odor would improve the fun of the milk jug ring?
>>
>> If he remembered to go back to them and retrieve them, I'd believe
>> this. He does love to sleep with his head tucked inside a shoe. But
>> no, these toys just get placed there until I go to wear the shoe and
>> empty it out.
>
> Maybe kitty is like me. Great one for planning improvements, but not so
> good at follow through. I plan improvements to this and that all the
> time... rarely actually get the job all the way done, however. Maybe
> kitty does, too.
>
> Sleeps with his head in a shoe? Oooo, oooo, oooo! I know another kitty
> he should meet! They'd be pals!
>
> Or they'd fight over smelly shoes.
>
> But I know another kitty that sleeps with her head in shoes, too.
>
It's not uncommon. *G* Cats find very silly sleeping spots.
Kat
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
> <"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
>>Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>>Over a dozen?
>
> We had a few Easter eggs. We gave them to Valentine to play with. He
> loved them. A couple got lost. Not all that got lost got found again We
> counted eggs, and came up with "not that many left." We decided we needed
> more eggs. It was nearing Easter, so on his next trip tot he store, Dad
> looked for more. He came home with a twelve pack. Voila! Over a dozen eggs.
> {REALLY BIG GRIN}
>
>>Ok, I'm feeling better about my possibly excessive ball collection.
>
> If they're for the dogs, it's not excessive. You're just making sure you
> have enough they won't all get lost at once. {REALLY BIG GRIN}
Um. This discussion reminds me. When did I last see the red ball?
>>And I could have sworn I had a mini, teal, ball-on-a-rope, but now I can
>>only find a medium, orange, ball-on-a-rope. And I just know that as soon
>>as I buy a new mini ball-on-a-rope...
>
> This means you'd have two mini balls-on-ropes? {pause}
>
> What is the problem? You have two dogs. You have two hands to hold toys.
> This seems like the perfect number anyway. {REALLY BIG GRIN, wink}
My theory is, mini-ball for smallest dog, medium ball for small dog.
Although, apparently, the smallest dog does not subscribe to the
theory, since he likes the medium ball just fine. It is almost bigger
than his head!
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>
>> Kathleen Hein wrote:
>
<snip>
>> Digs them out of the trash?
>>
>> Oh, that's simply cheating!
>>
>> I suppose those finger-thwapping metal trash cans with the foot pedals
>> can discourage cat-in-trash-ness. But, no, no realistic way to keep
>> rubber bands out of the house.
>>
>> I'm considering one of the cans with lids for my bedroom. Silly small
>> boy has developed a new hobby -- emptying stuff out of the bedroom
>> trash. Mostly tissues and the contents of the Roomba's vacuuming bin
>> -- not stuff I want back out on the floor again!
>
> We keep looking at them, since she will also dig bones out of the trash,
> if one smells tempting enough. 2 apartments ago, we had enough room
> under the sink- and space elsewhere for pots and pans- that the garbage
> fit nicely in there and she couldn't get to it. Because even if you
> close up the top of the bag, she will claw her way inside. She is a
> very naughty and determined cat, sometimes.
Claw? Claw? Claw the bag? Take a hint, kitty!
The with-lid option is probably your only way to go. I've seen them
in wicker (with plastic bin discreetly nestled inside), if metal is
too modern for your tastes.
<snip>
>> Sleeps with his head in a shoe? Oooo, oooo, oooo! I know another
>> kitty he should meet! They'd be pals!
>>
>> Or they'd fight over smelly shoes.
>>
>> But I know another kitty that sleeps with her head in shoes, too.
>
> It's not uncommon. *G* Cats find very silly sleeping spots.
Doesn't it make their ears smelly?
Not that this would bother the cat.
John Oliver
<"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> I suppose those finger-thwapping metal trash cans with the foot pedals
>>> can discourage cat-in-trash-ness. But, no, no realistic way to keep
>>> rubber bands out of the house.
>>>
>>> I'm considering one of the cans with lids for my bedroom. Silly small
>>> boy has developed a new hobby -- emptying stuff out of the bedroom
>>> trash. Mostly tissues and the contents of the Roomba's vacuuming bin
>>> -- not stuff I want back out on the floor again!
My neighbor's cat tends to sneak into my kitchen and knock the can
with metal lid and pedals over, then she digs through it.
--
John Oliver
jdol...@westnet.com.au
AIM or MSN jdoliver98
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
"Kat Hein" <katen...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:PCLfk.33272$ZE5....@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>>
>>> <"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I have also, occasionally, stashed fatter textbooks underneath
>>>>>> furniture, as "dog toy rolling into inaccessible spot" prevention
>>>>>> tools.
>>>>>
>>>>> {SMILE} We've decided it's better to use a block of wood to block
>>>>> kitty-toy traps. It can be cut to length. Plus, we don't have to
>>>>> worry about a toy rolling under and getting stuck the one time we
>>>>> need to look
>>>>> up something in a book. {SMILE}
>>>>
>>>> At the time I started stashing, I lived in an apartment. No reason to
>>>> have blocks of wood of any type handy, but plenty of textbooks.
>
> prevent the Roomba from going under the TV stand and getting caught up in
> the wires. (The invisible walls are good for keeping it in the room, but
> not so good for that)
That Roomba is beginning to sound complicated. {Smile}
> We did, however, move up to the 2x4 method from preventing our new
> reclining couch from being pushed back against the wall.
>
>
>>>>
>>>> Fortunately, nothing has gotten stuck. :>
>>>
>>> You are very lucky. You do realize this, don't you? {wink, Smile}
>>>
>>> "Stuck" can be a very interesting problem. Even worse in some ways
>>> is "lost." However, the latter can be easier to ignore after a while.
>>> {SMILE}
>>
>> I make sure there is space between book and bottom of furniture. I just
>> need the empty space to be smaller than most dog toys. :>
>>
>
>
> Easier with dog toys than with cat toys. Or at least with what cats
> consider toys. The ring off the milk jug and (stolen from my
> stash)ponytail holders are the best kitty toys EVER, and Christopher
> likes to remind us how easily they slip under the scale.
I bet those scoot really well when you bat at them. {SMILE}
> Usually at about 3 AM when he's rattling it, trying to retrieve one.
> When I move it to clean the bathroom floor, there are always 2 or 3 under
> it. I don't want to think about how many are probably under the stove
> and refrigerator. *GGG*
{Chuckle} That is a problem, particularly if you want the pony tail
holders {BIG SMILE, wink, REALLY BIG GRIN}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> Kat Hein wrote:
>
>> Easier with dog toys than with cat toys. Or at least with what cats
>> consider toys. The ring off the milk jug and (stolen from my
>> stash)ponytail holders are the best kitty toys EVER, and Christopher
>> it to clean the bathroom floor, there are always 2 or 3 under it. I
>> don't want to think about how many are probably under the stove and
>> refrigerator. *GGG*
>>
>
> little stuffed 'mice' under the refrigerator.
> And they'd love to figure out why one of their cats will only play with
> *red* mice.
Because he likes black? {Smile}
{GRIN} Dad had an article about color vision that claimed that cats see
colors as either yellow or purple. Yellow, green, and maybe some orange all
look yellow. Blue and purple look purple. Red is beyond the range, so it
looks black. {Smile}
> I just have a dog that *loves* squeaky toys. And, after an hour or so of
> constant playing with each new squeaky, *loves* to rip it apart and
> de-squeak it.
> Then pull out all the stuffings (if such exist).
My, he's certainly hard on his toys. Val's octopuses may go a bit bald,
but only the oldest has a serious problem. It's quite bald, and a little
stuffing is beginning to come out. It's also over a year old. {BIG GRIN}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"
> Kat Hein wrote:
>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>>
>>> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>>>> <"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote in
>>>> message
>>>>> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>>>
> [snip of the universal bibliophile black hole]
>>>>> reason to have blocks of wood of any type handy, but plenty
>>>>> of textbooks.
>>
>> We are still using a piece of styrofoam from a microwave packaging
>> to prevent the Roomba from going under the TV stand and getting
>> caught up in the wires. (The invisible walls are good for keeping
>> it in the room, but not so good for that)
>
> Roomba from a particularly nasty tangle of wires in my living room. The
> Roomba is pretty good with wires, but it has limits.
That sounds like a good use for it to me! {REALLY BIG GRIN} Especially
if it only partly works like it's meant to. {REALLY BIG GRIN}
> Styrofoam chunks didn't occur to me. And I replaced my old microwave
> recently, too! (IMHO, microwaves should not make noises like "clunk",
> and my old one was.)
No, "clunk" is not a good sound for a microwave to make. {AMUSED SMILE}
> Dunno what I'm going to do when I finally find a spot that is not on the
> floor to put the stereo. (I'll think of one, I'll think of one...
> eventually.)
In the meantime, it's useful where it is. {SMILE}
<snip couch>
> <snip - losing pet toys>
>>> I make sure there is space between book and bottom of furniture.
>>> I just need the empty space to be smaller than most dog toys. :>
>>
>> Easier with dog toys than with cat toys. Or at least with what cats
>> consider toys. The ring off the milk jug and (stolen from my
>> stash)ponytail holders are the best kitty toys EVER, and
>> Christopher likes to remind us how easily they slip under the
>> scale. Usually at about 3 AM when he's rattling it, trying to
>> retrieve one. When I move it to clean the bathroom floor, there
>> are always 2 or 3 under it. I don't want to think about how many
>> are probably under the stove and refrigerator. *GGG*
>
> Yeah. Dogs will choke themselves on small objects, so if a toy gets down
> to a certain size, I toss it.
Good idea. {Smile}
> I believe, in fact, that the Chihuahua may have figured out that habit of
> mine... and may have just hidden his rawhide. I've been watching him
> demolish the rawhide all afternoon, and the remains are getting in to
> choking range. But I don't see them at the moment. Did he just hide the
> small piece?
>
> (Oh, goody. I get to run my fingers under blankets and furniture,
> looking for something a dog has been slobbering on all afternoon. Joy.)
I hope you found it, preferably before too much searching. {sympathetic
smile}
> Ring off a milk jug is a toy? Who knew?
{blink}
Why, the cat knew, obviously. {SMILE}
> Is the fridge on wheels? Some are. The stove... yeah, just don't think
> about it.
Fridges are often quite heavy. Even if they're on wheels they can be
hard to move. {resigned smile}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> Bookwyrm wrote:
>> Kat Hein wrote:
>>
>>> cats consider toys. The ring off the milk jug and (stolen from my
>>> stash)ponytail holders are the best kitty toys EVER, and
>>> Christopher likes to remind us how easily they slip under the
>>> scale. Usually at about 3 AM when he's rattling it, trying to
>>> retrieve one. When I move it to clean the bathroom floor, there
>>> are always 2 or 3 under it. I don't want to think about how many
>>> are probably under the stove and refrigerator. *GGG*
>>
>> those little stuffed 'mice' under the refrigerator. And they'd love
>> to figure out why one of their cats will only play with *red* mice.
>
Nope. Now the theory is that they can tell yellow from purple, but most
greens look yellow and most blues look purple. {Smile}
>> I just have a dog that *loves* squeaky toys. And, after an hour or
>> so of constant playing with each new squeaky, *loves* to rip it
>> apart and de-squeak it. Then pull out all the stuffings (if such
>> exist).
>
> One hour? That's fast work!
>
> If it helps, my 10 year old dog (and I think yours is younger) is fairly
> mellow about his squeaky toy. Adores it, but mainly wants to
> throw/chase/carry. Every few months he gets a mad on, and the toy goes
> from tolerable to fluff on the floor. Maybe your dog will mature to a
> slower rate of destruction, too. ;>
She can hope so, at least. {Smile}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
P.S. I notice I've been posting quite a bit recently. Probably this is
because we've approached a favorite topic of mine: CATS! {REALLY BIG GRIN,
HUMONGOUS GRIN}
A.E.B.
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> Edna wrote:
>> In article <487f8d95$1...@news.bnb-lp.com>,
>> Bookwyrm <Book...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> of constant playing with each new squeaky, *loves* to rip it apart and
>>> de-squeak it.
>>> Then pull out all the stuffings (if such exist).
>>
>> stuffing all over the back yard. We mostly buy tennis balls by the
>> dozen.
>>
>
{LAUGHTER} Oh my! I love her name! {REALLY BIG GRIN, HUMONGOUS GRIN}
> She wants lightweight balls/containers about golf ball size that she can
> toss into the air and pounce upon.
> Old squeakers removed from toys also work nicely.
I love her attitude towards her toys and not-toys. She sounds like a
character of strong convictions. Her name fits that, too. {BIG SMILE,
REALLY BIG GRIN}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>> Bookwyrm wrote:
>>
>>> I just have a dog that *loves* squeaky toys. And, after an hour or
>>> so of constant playing with each new squeaky, *loves* to rip it
>>> apart and de-squeak it. Then pull out all the stuffings (if such
>>> exist).
>>
>
> first time she got her paws on it.
{blink} She works fast! {impressed look}
>> If it helps, my 10 year old dog (and I think yours is younger) is fairly
>> mellow about his squeaky toy. Adores it, but mainly wants to
>> throw/chase/carry. Every few months he gets a mad on, and the toy goes
>> from tolerable to fluff on the floor. Maybe your dog will mature to a
>> slower rate of destruction, too. ;>
>
> Gabby is 3.5 yrs old. Unbelievably, she has *one* intact squeaky (a
> bone-shaped fuzzy one -- about 6' long) that she has had for about 2
> years now!!
> She loves to pick it up (after carefully moving it around in her mouth
> until she has it *just right*) and stand in the middle of the room
> deliberately squeaking and squeaking and squeaking and squeaking....
:::Well, everyone needs a hobby. {wide-eyed innocence} Mine is chewing
and eating plastic bags and wrappers. Unfortunately, my people have taken
up hiding plastic bags and wrappers. {frustrated kitty look} They even
built a wooden lid for the wastebasket they hide them in. When I figured
out how to open it, they made it harder. When I figured it out again, they
made it real hard to open. They can, but I can't... at least not yet. I'm
still working on this. {determined kitty look}:::
:::Valentine "Val":::
For the record, the lid has always fit snuggly. We've added a handle for
weight and our use. We've also trimmed the sides, so they project, since he
found he could push them up with his nose. We've also added a hook. With
the tabs on the basket, this means the only way to get it open is to move
it up a little, then over a lot. So far he hasn't worked this out. We're
hoping he won't. {cross fingers, {Smile}
> Needless to say, she is very acutely interested in sounds.
> 'Fetch' only holds her interest for a limited length of time.
> Whereas, 'grab a slipper and chase me' is good for more time than the
> humans have patience for. (Especially since her favorite place to run and
> hide is under the living room coffee table.)
:::Oh! That last one sounds like a wonderful game. I love ones where I
get to play with my people. It's so much more fun when you have playmates
to play with! {excited kitty look}:::
:::Valentine "Val":::
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
victoreia
[snip of impromptu cat toys]
> .... (stolen from my
> stash)ponytail holders are the best kitty toys EVER
[shudder] I'm *so* glad I'm in the habit of putting those _away_ in a
drawer. Otherwise, I'd be scooping them out of the
litterbox.......suitably encased, of course. Kyuri will eat practically
anything string-y, and those fit the bill. (Don't ask about the
poly-something ribbon-on-a-wand toy he ate, or the twine he discovered
_in the depths of my closet_....the two-plus feet of which he took four
days to pass through his system.....)
--
victoreia ("Is that a feather from the sofa pillow/ribbon off a
Christmas present/fiber-optic filament from the table-top Christmas
tree/pick-something-stringlike sticking out of his mouth?!?")
Goddess of Dark Chocolate
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
victoreia
[snip]
> :::Oh! That last one sounds like a wonderful game. I love ones where I
> get to play with my people. It's so much more fun when you have playmates
> to play with! {excited kitty look}:::
>
> :::Valentine "Val":::
>
{Ezri (the bossy)}
--
victoreia
Ree
> On 7/17/2008 7:49 AM, Kat Hein wrote:
> [snip of impromptu cat toys]
>
>> .... (stolen from my stash)ponytail holders are the best kitty toys EVER
>
> [shudder] I'm *so* glad I'm in the habit of putting those _away_ in a
> drawer. Otherwise, I'd be scooping them out of the
> litterbox.......suitably encased, of course. Kyuri will eat practically
> anything string-y, and those fit the bill. (Don't ask about the
> poly-something ribbon-on-a-wand toy he ate, or the twine he discovered
> _in the depths of my closet_....the two-plus feet of which he took four
> days to pass through his system.....)
>
Ooooohhhhhh you poor thing. Oooooohhhhhh my gosh!
Ree.
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
<snip - pets>
>>I believe, in fact, that the Chihuahua may have figured out that habit of
>>mine... and may have just hidden his rawhide. I've been watching him
>>demolish the rawhide all afternoon, and the remains are getting in to
>>choking range. But I don't see them at the moment. Did he just hide the
>>small piece?
>>
>>(Oh, goody. I get to run my fingers under blankets and furniture,
>>looking for something a dog has been slobbering on all afternoon. Joy.)
>
> I hope you found it, preferably before too much searching. {sympathetic
> smile}
The pieces showed up the next morning. Dunno where they had been...
but they were in the trash later that day.
<snip>
>>Is the fridge on wheels? Some are. The stove... yeah, just don't think
>>about it.
>
> Fridges are often quite heavy. Even if they're on wheels they can be
> hard to move. {resigned smile}
Ah, but Kat is married. Moving heavy objects is what husbands are for!
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
> On 7/17/2008 7:49 AM, Kat Hein wrote:
> [snip of impromptu cat toys]
>
>> .... (stolen from my stash)ponytail holders are the best kitty toys EVER
>
>
> [shudder] I'm *so* glad I'm in the habit of putting those _away_ in a
> drawer. Otherwise, I'd be scooping them out of the
> litterbox.......suitably encased, of course. Kyuri will eat practically
> anything string-y, and those fit the bill. (Don't ask about the
> poly-something ribbon-on-a-wand toy he ate, or the twine he discovered
> _in the depths of my closet_....the two-plus feet of which he took four
> days to pass through his system.....)
Um.
I know a cat who managed to consume most of an area rug by pulling it
apart into string and... well. Am told it took hours and hours of
unhappiness at the vet's to extract the rug and keep the cat alive.
(But the cat did live for years afterward, and the owners now have a
good story.)
Don Bruder
"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"
<"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote:
> victoreia wrote:
>
> > On 7/17/2008 7:49 AM, Kat Hein wrote:
> > [snip of impromptu cat toys]
> >
> >> .... (stolen from my stash)ponytail holders are the best kitty toys EVER
> >
> >
> > [shudder] I'm *so* glad I'm in the habit of putting those _away_ in a
> > drawer. Otherwise, I'd be scooping them out of the
> > litterbox.......suitably encased, of course. Kyuri will eat practically
> > anything string-y, and those fit the bill. (Don't ask about the
> > poly-something ribbon-on-a-wand toy he ate, or the twine he discovered
> > _in the depths of my closet_....the two-plus feet of which he took four
> > days to pass through his system.....)
>
> Um.
>
> I know a cat who managed to consume most of an area rug by pulling it
> apart into string and... well. Am told it took hours and hours of
> unhappiness at the vet's to extract the rug and keep the cat alive.
> (But the cat did live for years afterward, and the owners now have a
> good story.)
And hardwood floors? :)
--
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or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow"
somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my
ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info
Kat Hein
> "Bookwyrm" <Book...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:487f8d95$1...@news.bnb-lp.com...
>> Kat Hein wrote:
>>
>>> Easier with dog toys than with cat toys. Or at least with what cats
>>> consider toys. The ring off the milk jug and (stolen from my
>>> stash)ponytail holders are the best kitty toys EVER, and Christopher
>>> likes to remind us how easily they slip under the scale. Usually at
>>> about 3 AM when he's rattling it, trying to retrieve one. When I move
>>> it to clean the bathroom floor, there are always 2 or 3 under it. I
>>> don't want to think about how many are probably under the stove and
>>> refrigerator. *GGG*
>>>
>> Older Son & DIL figure that there are likely a minimum of 12 of those
>> little stuffed 'mice' under the refrigerator.
>> And they'd love to figure out why one of their cats will only play with
>> *red* mice.
>
> Because he likes black? {Smile}
>
> {GRIN} Dad had an article about color vision that claimed that cats see
> colors as either yellow or purple. Yellow, green, and maybe some orange all
> look yellow. Blue and purple look purple. Red is beyond the range, so it
> looks black. {Smile}
>
But this doesn't explain why Christopher will ignore the red suitcases
in favor for a black or navy one. He'll only sleep on a red one if it's
the only one available to him.
I think Scientists make up a good half of what they say. *GGG*
Kat
Kat Hein
g. Dunno where they had been... but
> they were in the trash later that day.
>
> <snip>
>>> Is the fridge on wheels? Some are. The stove... yeah, just don't
>>> think about it.
>>
>> Fridges are often quite heavy. Even if they're on wheels they can
>> be hard to move. {resigned smile}
>
> Ah, but Kat is married. Moving heavy objects is what husbands are for!
>
Yes, that, killing bugs,lifting things from high places, and getting up
to investigate weird noises in the middle of the night. They really are
handy creatures to keep around. *G*
Kat
Kat Hein
> "Kat Hein" <katen...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:PCLfk.33272$ZE5....@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>>> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>>>
>>>> <"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>>> [snip of the universal bibliophile black hole]
>>>>>>> I have also, occasionally, stashed fatter textbooks underneath
>>>>>>> furniture, as "dog toy rolling into inaccessible spot" prevention
>>>>>>> tools.
>>>>>> {SMILE} We've decided it's better to use a block of wood to block
>>>>>> kitty-toy traps. It can be cut to length. Plus, we don't have to
>>>>>> worry about a toy rolling under and getting stuck the one time we
>>>>>> need to look
>>>>>> up something in a book. {SMILE}
>>>>> At the time I started stashing, I lived in an apartment. No reason to
>>>>> have blocks of wood of any type handy, but plenty of textbooks.
>> We are still using a piece of styrofoam from a microwave packaging to
>> prevent the Roomba from going under the TV stand and getting caught up in
>> the wires. (The invisible walls are good for keeping it in the room, but
>> not so good for that)
>
> That Roomba is beginning to sound complicated. {Smile}
>
Not really, it just gets stuck sometimes. And a tangle of cables is
pretty much guaranteed to do it. Then it sings at you until you come to
unstick it.
><snip>
>>
>> Easier with dog toys than with cat toys. Or at least with what cats
>> consider toys. The ring off the milk jug and (stolen from my
>> stash)ponytail holders are the best kitty toys EVER, and Christopher
>> likes to remind us how easily they slip under the scale.
>
> I bet those scoot really well when you bat at them. {SMILE}
Oh yes, they practically fly across the floor when you bat at them.
There's no need to spend money on real cat toys with this bunch.
>
>> Usually at about 3 AM when he's rattling it, trying to retrieve one.
>> When I move it to clean the bathroom floor, there are always 2 or 3 under
>> it. I don't want to think about how many are probably under the stove
>> and refrigerator. *GGG*
>
> {Chuckle} That is a problem, particularly if you want the pony tail
> holders {BIG SMILE, wink, REALLY BIG GRIN}
>
Exactly. And he's normally a lazy cat who doesn't like to climb or jump,
but if he spots a ponytail holder, he will climb for it. He's also not
too bright- he'll try to steal it out of my hand if I take it out of my
hair and am holding it . But he doesn't chew on them or otherwise hurt
them, so at least I know where to look when I can't find any where they
belong.
Kat
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
>
>>victoreia wrote:
<snip of cat stories>
>>>[shudder] I'm *so* glad I'm in the habit of putting those _away_ in a
>>>drawer. Otherwise, I'd be scooping them out of the
>>>litterbox.......suitably encased, of course. Kyuri will eat practically
>>>anything string-y, and those fit the bill. (Don't ask about the
>>>poly-something ribbon-on-a-wand toy he ate, or the twine he discovered
>>>_in the depths of my closet_....the two-plus feet of which he took four
>>>days to pass through his system.....)
>>
>>Um.
>>
>>I know a cat who managed to consume most of an area rug by pulling it
>>apart into string and... well. Am told it took hours and hours of
>>unhappiness at the vet's to extract the rug and keep the cat alive.
>>(But the cat did live for years afterward, and the owners now have a
>>good story.)
>
> And hardwood floors? :)
As of... oh, about a week ago, they have two small children. In one
case, about as small as kids get. (New to the world!)
So they have wall to wall carpeting.
In any case, while the rug-eating cat survived that experience, he did
eventually die of old age. He ate it all in one long string -- no,
only about a third of it. That's the point at which a human came home.
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
A cat that goes to the neighbor's house to knock over the trash...
well, I suppose that keeps the cat more popular at home...
What cheek!
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> Bookwyrm wrote:
>> Kat Hein wrote:
>>
>>> consider toys. The ring off the milk jug and (stolen from my
>>> stash)ponytail holders are the best kitty toys EVER, and Christopher
>>> it to clean the bathroom floor, there are always 2 or 3 under it. I
>>> don't want to think about how many are probably under the stove and
>>> refrigerator. *GGG*
>>>
>>
>> little stuffed 'mice' under the refrigerator.
>> And they'd love to figure out why one of their cats will only play with
>> *red* mice.
>>
>> of constant playing with each new squeaky, *loves* to rip it apart and
>> de-squeak it.
>> Then pull out all the stuffings (if such exist).
>>
>
>
> My parents always de-squeak the toys before they are given to the dogs.
> They have 4, and the ONLY thing that will cause dog fights in the living
> room is a squeaky toy.
{sigh} Then de-squeaking sounds like a very good idea. {Smile}
> For years, my now departed Cocker Spaniel went through a series of (the
> old 80's toy) "pound purries" that we picked up at flea markets on the
> cheap. They seemed to last longer than "dog toys" He would pull out the
> stuffings, and then when it got too disgusting and smelly, it would be
> replaced. He was silly/smart, because we'd tell him "Go get your kitty"
> and he'd bring it, but in the later stages, we could say that OR "Go get
> your rag" and he knew what we meant! How excited he would be to see a
> new kitty when we gave it to him, though! *G*
{REALLY BIG GRIN} I'm glad he liked the new ones. Mary Cat, Alban's
predecessor preferred her old toys. She preferred the old, worn-out toys to
the bright new ones every time. {Smile}
> Unlike the other Cocker, who loved tennis balls, but hated the new ones
> when the old one got too fragrant. When she retired it, she'd have to
> immediately take it out to the garbage can, because if she threw it away
> inside, he'd stand by the trash can and whine and cry! If it wasn't in
> the house, he'd just mope for a day or so before taking to the new ball.
We gave up, and let Mary play with her old toys. She was happy, after
all. {Smile}
> But he never was far from a tennis ball. He'd sleep with it under his
> ear. And try to kill humans by hopefully tossing it under your feet at
> very inopportune times. *G* I tried telling him once that if he killed
> us all by making us fall down the stairs, there would be no one left to
> ever throw his ball for him! ROFL
{LAUGH} I take it he didn't listen? {BIG SMILE} Or at least he didn't
believe you? {REALLY BIG GRIN}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>> Bookwyrm wrote:
>>
>>> Kat Hein wrote:
>>>
>>>> Easier with dog toys than with cat toys. Or at least with what
>>>> cats consider toys. The ring off the milk jug and (stolen from my
>>>> stash)ponytail holders are the best kitty toys EVER, and
>>>> Christopher likes to remind us how easily they slip under the
>>>> scale. Usually at about 3 AM when he's rattling it, trying to
>>>> retrieve one. When I move it to clean the bathroom floor, there
>>>> are always 2 or 3 under it. I don't want to think about how many
>>>> are probably under the stove and refrigerator. *GGG*
>>>
>>> Older Son & DIL figure that there are likely a minimum of 12 of
>>> those little stuffed 'mice' under the refrigerator. And they'd love
>>> to figure out why one of their cats will only play with *red* mice.
>>
>
> one that were the same, and he chose the blue, and when it got retired,
> it was replaced with a different type of blue one, and he'd still seek it
> out.
{chuckle} He was clear about his preferences. {Smile}
> Christopher's favorite bed is a BLACK nylon suitcase/briefcase/backpack.
> In a room full of choices, he will always choose the black case. If there
> is no black, he will settle for navy and then dark green.
He's clear on his preferences, too. {Smile}
>>> I just have a dog that *loves* squeaky toys. And, after an hour or
>>> so of constant playing with each new squeaky, *loves* to rip it
>>> apart and de-squeak it. Then pull out all the stuffings (if such
>>> exist).
>>
>> One hour? That's fast work!
>
> Sounds about right. My parents' Jack Russel is dedicated like that, too.
I'm glad Val isn't quite as rough on his toys. {SMILE}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>> Kat Hein wrote:
>>>> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>>>>> <"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote in
>>>>> message
>>>>>> Anne Elizabeth Baldwin wrote:
>> <snip - losing pet toys>
>>>> I make sure there is space between book and bottom of furniture.
>>>> I just need the empty space to be smaller than most dog toys. :>
>>>
>>> consider toys. The ring off the milk jug and (stolen from my
>>> stash)ponytail holders are the best kitty toys EVER, and
>>> Christopher likes to remind us how easily they slip under the
>>> scale. Usually at about 3 AM when he's rattling it, trying to
>>> retrieve one. When I move it to clean the bathroom floor, there
>>> are always 2 or 3 under it. I don't want to think about how many
>>> are probably under the stove and refrigerator. *GGG*
>>
>> down to a certain size, I toss it.
>>
>> of mine... and may have just hidden his rawhide. I've been watching him
>> demolish the rawhide all afternoon, and the remains are getting in to
>> choking range. But I don't see them at the moment. Did he just hide
>> the small piece?
>
> fairly regularly try to kill themselves, too, though. Bella thinks
> rubberbands and twist ties are good to eat. *roll eyes* I keep telling
> her that one of these days, her luck is going to run out and I don't
> appreciate what that will cost us in vet bills!
With Valentine, it's plastic bags and wrappers. He's convinced they're
for him to eat. and nothing we say can dissuade him. {rueful smile}
>> (Oh, goody. I get to run my fingers under blankets and furniture,
>> looking for something a dog has been slobbering on all afternoon. Joy.)
>>
>> Ring off a milk jug is a toy? Who knew?
>>
>> Is the fridge on wheels? Some are. The stove... yeah, just don't think
>> about it.
>>
>
> No, fridge is not on wheels. So there they will stay until we move.
>
> And rings off plastic milk jugs have always been a favorite of all the
> cats I've had. They are easy to carry around, they go far when tossed in
> the air, and slide nicely across hard floors. What more could a cat ask
> for in a toy? *GGG*
:::The little plastic eggs are the best. They do all this, and go in
strange, unpredictable directions, too! {BIG KITTY-SMILE}:::
:::Valentine "Val":::
> Now why they have to be deposited in my shoes, I don't know. But
> Christopher has always done that- and before I moved out here, he'd
> almost always "pack" one in my suitcase when I went back to Ohio.
{Chuckle} He seems to think those are good storage places for them.
{SMILE}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
Joe Morris
> John Oliver wrote:
"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]" wrote:
>>>>>I'm considering one of the cans with lids for my bedroom. Silly small
>>>>>boy has developed a new hobby -- emptying stuff out of the bedroom
>>>>>trash. Mostly tissues and the contents of the Roomba's vacuuming
>>>>>bin -- not stuff I want back out on the floor again!
>>
>> My neighbor's cat tends to sneak into my kitchen and knock the can
>> with metal lid and pedals over, then she digs through it.
>
> A cat that goes to the neighbor's house to knock over the trash... well, I
> suppose that keeps the cat more popular at home...
Must be the nicer relative of a cat my sister had several years ago. I was
visiting with her (in St. Louis; she now lives in New Orleans) and we were
on the sidewalk talking with some neighbors, when the conversation for some
reason I don't recall turned to the cat. One of the neighbors reported that
this particular feline had a habit of finding an open door and coming into
the neighbor's kitchen -- and upon occasion jumping up on the stove and ...
um, "reducing its internal hydraulic pressure." It never did this in my
sister's house, and she had no idea that it was doing this elsewhere.
I can't speak for you, but given the choice I would prefer one that knocks
over the trashcan.
Joe
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"
> Bookwyrm wrote:
>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>>
>>> Bookwyrm wrote:
>
>>> If it helps, my 10 year old dog (and I think yours is younger) is
>>> fairly mellow about his squeaky toy. Adores it, but mainly wants to
>>> throw/chase/carry. Every few months he gets a mad on, and the toy goes
>>> from tolerable to fluff on the floor. Maybe your dog will mature to a
>>> slower rate of destruction, too. ;>
>>
>> Gabby is 3.5 yrs old. Unbelievably, she has *one* intact squeaky (a
>> bone-shaped fuzzy one -- about 6' long) that she has had for about 2
>> years now!!
>
> supplied with bone-shaped fuzzy toys that have squeakers in them.
{chuckle, BIG GRIN} That sounds like a much beloved sort of toy indeed!
{REALLY BIG GRIN, HUMONGOUS GRIN}
>> She loves to pick it up (after carefully moving it around in her mouth
>> until she has it *just right*) and stand in the middle of the room
>> deliberately squeaking and squeaking and squeaking and squeaking....
>
> Urk. Um. Ah. What a, uh, lovely hobby for her...
{chuckle, AMUSED SMILE} I know. It's simply charming isn't it? {giggle
giggle, REALLY BIG GRIN}
>> Needless to say, she is very acutely interested in sounds.
>> 'Fetch' only holds her interest for a limited length of time.
>> Whereas, 'grab a slipper and chase me' is good for more time than the
>> humans have patience for. (Especially since her favorite place to run
>> and hide is under the living room coffee table.)
>
> I've also never had much luck getting a good fetch game going. Chase,
> though, is loved. Possibly because the speed and turning radius
> advantage that a small canine has over a large, clunky human makes the
> game a walkover for the dog.
{REALLY BIG GRIN} There's nothing quite like a game you're pretty sure
of winning if you work at it. {REALLY BIG GRIN} I enjoy those myself when I
play some types of computer solitaire. {BIG SMILE, REALLY BIG GRIN}
> That "sprint under the coffee table then squirt out into the gap between
> couch and end table in order to circle into the 6 inch gap between couch
> and wall" trick is popular here, too.
Oh! That sounds like a great place to hide from the humans in a game.
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> Kat Hein wrote:
>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>>
>>> Kat Hein wrote:
>>>
>>>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>>>> We did, however, move up to the 2x4 method from preventing our new
>>>> reclining couch from being pushed back against the wall.
>>>
>>
>> We got rid of our old couches in the last move, and only had the sofa
>> bed to sit on- seating 2 people. :D We'd wanted a sectional with
>> recliners for years, but don't have room for it right now, so settled on
>> a couch with dual recliners. I think the cats love it as much as we do-
>> especially since the back cushions are nice and cushy and in front of
>> the windows, for prime Bird Watching in comfort. Then inn the evenings,
>> we will have one cat between us on the seat, another cat between us on
>> the back, and the 3rd one normally on my lap or armrest.
>
> Sectionals do look so comfy... The prior owners of my house had a
> sectional in the living room.
>
> And that was the *only* thing in the living room. (Ok, shelving for TV,
> too.) Small room.
{blink} Not even an end table or low table in front of the sectional?
{surprised look} I would have thought something like that was required to
put drinks and snacks down while watching the TV. {bemused smile}
> So no sectionals for me in the immediate future. No reclining couches,
> either -- would require too much clearance behind the couch.
>
> I do, finally (finally, finally, finally!) have a cushy couch. Loveseat.
> I used a wooden armed loveseat for years, and got very tired of clunking
> my elbow or head on the frame all the time.
>
> Cushy is very popular with the small and furry crowd. :>
:::Oh yes. Of course it is. It's nice and soft and snuggly!
{kitty-smile}:::
> (No, the couch is not a jungle gym!)
:::{blink blink} Are you certain about that? They're great for climbing
on! {puzzled look}:::
> <snip - losing pet toys>
>>> Yeah. Dogs will choke themselves on small objects, so if a toy gets
>>> down to a certain size, I toss it.
>>>
>>> I believe, in fact, that the Chihuahua may have figured out that habit
>>> of mine... and may have just hidden his rawhide. I've been watching
>>> him demolish the rawhide all afternoon, and the remains are getting in
>>> to choking range. But I don't see them at the moment. Did he just
>>> hide the small piece?
>>
>> They do always resent the loss of those small bits, don't they? Our cats
>> fairly regularly try to kill themselves, too, though. Bella thinks
>> rubberbands and twist ties are good to eat. *roll eyes* I keep telling
>> her that one of these days, her luck is going to run out and I don't
>> appreciate what that will cost us in vet bills!
>
> Eating rubber bands?
>
> Oh, gods, what a terrifying hobby.
:::I suppose they might be okay. I really prefer plastic bags, myself.
{feline nod}:::
> <snip>
>> And rings off plastic milk jugs have always been a favorite of all the
>> cats I've had. They are easy to carry around, they go far when tossed
>> in the air, and slide nicely across hard floors. What more could a cat
>> ask for in a toy? *GGG* Now why they have to be deposited in my shoes, I
>> don't know. But Christopher has always done that- and before I moved out
>> here, he'd almost always "pack" one in my suitcase when I went back to
>> Ohio.
>
> A person just has to wonder about cat logic, sometimes. Perhaps they
> think a nice foot odor would improve the fun of the milk jug ring?
:::Maybe he just left it there for later. You need to store your toys
somewhere, after all. {knowing nod}:::
{loop UP, human sigh, wry smile}
:::Valentine "Val":::
with Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
"Kathleen Hein" <katen...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>> Kat Hein wrote:
>>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kat Hein wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
<snip>
>> I do, finally (finally, finally, finally!) have a cushy couch. Loveseat.
>> I used a wooden armed loveseat for years, and got very tired of clunking
>> my elbow or head on the frame all the time.
>>
>> Cushy is very popular with the small and furry crowd. :>
>>
>> (No, the couch is not a jungle gym!)
>
> But of course it is! *GGG* Only silly humans don't see its full
> potential.
Of course. Mary, Alban, and now Valentine all agree on this! {lopsided
Smile}
Actually, we don't mind. They've all used the same pillows, same pillow
cases, and even the same bedspreads that go over the pillows and cases. We
have yet to need to replace anything. {SMILE}
>> <snip - losing pet toys>
>>>> Yeah. Dogs will choke themselves on small objects, so if a toy gets
>>>> down to a certain size, I toss it.
>>>>
>>>> I believe, in fact, that the Chihuahua may have figured out that habit
>>>> of mine... and may have just hidden his rawhide. I've been watching
>>>> him demolish the rawhide all afternoon, and the remains are getting in
>>>> to choking range. But I don't see them at the moment. Did he just
>>>> hide the small piece?
>>>
>>> They do always resent the loss of those small bits, don't they? Our
>>> cats fairly regularly try to kill themselves, too, though. Bella
>>> thinks rubberbands and twist ties are good to eat. *roll eyes* I keep
>>> telling her that one of these days, her luck is going to run out and I
>>> don't appreciate what that will cost us in vet bills!
>>
>> Eating rubber bands?
>>
>> Oh, gods, what a terrifying hobby.
>
> Cats like to eat all kinds of things that can get trapped in their
> intestines. Tinsel from Xmas trees being among the most favorite. But
> it's a lot easier to keep tinsel out of the house than rubber bands and
> twist ties. Especially when she will dig them out of the trash.
You left out plastic bags and wrappers. Those are Valentine's favorites,
I'm afraid. Although we're really lucky with those so far. The few we
haven't kept away from him have come up on their own, with only a little
mess. He didn't choke, nor did he need surgery. {small smile} We still
aren't trusting our luck. We really try to keep them away from him. {Smile}
>> <snip>
>>> And rings off plastic milk jugs have always been a favorite of all the
>>> cats I've had. They are easy to carry around, they go far when tossed
>>> in the air, and slide nicely across hard floors. What more could a cat
>>> ask for in a toy? *GGG* Now why they have to be deposited in my shoes,
>>> I don't know. But Christopher has always done that- and before I moved
>>> out here, he'd almost always "pack" one in my suitcase when I went back
>>> to Ohio.
>>
>> A person just has to wonder about cat logic, sometimes. Perhaps they
>> think a nice foot odor would improve the fun of the milk jug ring?
>
> If he remembered to go back to them and retrieve them, I'd believe this.
> He does love to sleep with his head tucked inside a shoe. But no, these
> toys just get placed there until I go to wear the shoe and empty it out.
If he's trying to store them there, he's terrible about retrieving them
later. {puzzled Smile}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> Kathleen Hein wrote:
>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>>> Kat Hein wrote:
>>>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
> <snip>
>>>> bed to sit on- seating 2 people. :D We'd wanted a sectional with
>>>> recliners for years, but don't have room for it right now, so settled
>>>> on a couch with dual recliners. I think the cats love it as much as we
>>>> do- especially since the back cushions are nice and cushy and in front
>>>> between us on the back, and the 3rd one normally on my lap or armrest.
>>>
>>> Sectionals do look so comfy... The prior owners of my house had a
>>> sectional in the living room.
>>>
>>> And that was the *only* thing in the living room. (Ok, shelving for
>>> TV, too.) Small room.
>>>
>>> either -- would require too much clearance behind the couch.
>>
>> perfect amount of space for cats to climb/hide behind, in fact. *G*
>> We're not exactly swimming in extra space ourselves.
>
> Hmmm. It is possible that you shopped at a better furniture store than I
> did. The reclining couches I saw all needed more space than that... But
> you're closer to San Francisco. Furniture stores may carry more "stuff
> for a small space" where you are.
>
> Or maybe I was simply so distracted by the huge reclining monsters I
> never noticed less sizeable options. It would be fun to have a couch big
> enough to sleep on.
>
> Ah, well. At least I've finally achieved a couch large enough to sprawl
> on.
That does sound like a nice couch. {SMILE}
> <snip - losing pet toys>
>>>> They do always resent the loss of those small bits, don't they? Our
>>>> cats fairly regularly try to kill themselves, too, though. Bella
>>>> thinks rubberbands and twist ties are good to eat. *roll eyes* I keep
>>>> telling her that one of these days, her luck is going to run out and I
>>>> don't appreciate what that will cost us in vet bills!
>>>
>>> Eating rubber bands?
>>>
>>> Oh, gods, what a terrifying hobby.
>>
>> Cats like to eat all kinds of things that can get trapped in their
>> intestines. Tinsel from Xmas trees being among the most favorite. But
>> it's a lot easier to keep tinsel out of the house than rubber bands and
>> twist ties. Especially when she will dig them out of the trash.
>
> Digs them out of the trash?
>
> Oh, that's simply cheating!
I wish Valentine agreed. I really did. We built a special lid for the
kitchen wastebasket to keep him out. Then we cut off the extra around the
edge to keep him from pushing the lid off with his nose. We added a handle
to make it easier for us and heavier for him at the same time.
He continued to work on the problem of how to get it open.
So Dad finally added a little "L" of a hook so straight up doesn't work.
We have to pull it up a little, then out one particular side. Valentine
hasn't figured this out... at least not yet. We're hoping he won't, but
we're still watching. {lop-sided Smile}
> I suppose those finger-thwapping metal trash cans with the foot pedals
> can discourage cat-in-trash-ness.
Except that most of those are easily nudged open with a little nose.
{half-smile}
> But, no, no realistic way to keep rubber bands out of the house.
>
> I'm considering one of the cans with lids for my bedroom. Silly small
> boy has developed a new hobby -- emptying stuff out of the bedroom trash.
> Mostly tissues and the contents of the Roomba's vacuuming bin -- not
> stuff I want back out on the floor again!
I hope it works. Smile}
> <snip>
>>> A person just has to wonder about cat logic, sometimes. Perhaps they
>>> think a nice foot odor would improve the fun of the milk jug ring?
>>
>> If he remembered to go back to them and retrieve them, I'd believe this.
>> He does love to sleep with his head tucked inside a shoe. But no, these
>> toys just get placed there until I go to wear the shoe and empty it out.
>
> Maybe kitty is like me. Great one for planning improvements, but not so
> good at follow through. I plan improvements to this and that all the
> time... rarely actually get the job all the way done, however. Maybe
> kitty does, too.
>
> Sleeps with his head in a shoe? Oooo, oooo, oooo! I know another kitty
> he should meet! They'd be pals!
>
> Or they'd fight over smelly shoes.
>
> But I know another kitty that sleeps with her head in shoes, too.
Both Mary and Alban loved to sleep on shoes. Alban liked to spray them,
too, if they smelled of another cat or a dog. Hence the stack of plastic
boxes roughly the size of small shoeboxes by the door. Valentine hasn't
shown the same tendency, but why move them now? {spread hands}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
Sasha Rowan
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> "Kathleen Hein" <katen...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>> And rings off plastic milk jugs have always been a favorite of all the
>>>> cats I've had. They are easy to carry around, they go far when tossed
>>>> in the air, and slide nicely across hard floors. What more could a cat
>>>> ask for in a toy? *GGG* Now why they have to be deposited in my shoes,
>>>> I don't know. But Christopher has always done that- and before I moved
>>>> out here, he'd almost always "pack" one in my suitcase when I went back
>>>> to Ohio.
>>>
>>> A person just has to wonder about cat logic, sometimes. Perhaps they
>>> think a nice foot odor would improve the fun of the milk jug ring?
>>
>> If he remembered to go back to them and retrieve them, I'd believe this.
>> He does love to sleep with his head tucked inside a shoe. But no, these
>> toys just get placed there until I go to wear the shoe and empty it out.
>
> If he's trying to store them there, he's terrible about retrieving them
> later. {puzzled Smile}
He's trying to tell you to stay home?
Sasha
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
> <"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
>>Kat Hein wrote:
>>
<snip>
>>Sectionals do look so comfy... The prior owners of my house had a
>>sectional in the living room.
>>
>>And that was the *only* thing in the living room. (Ok, shelving for TV,
>>too.) Small room.
>
> {blink} Not even an end table or low table in front of the sectional?
> {surprised look} I would have thought something like that was required to
> put drinks and snacks down while watching the TV. {bemused smile}
Nope. No end table, no coffee table. The sectional just crowded out
all the space.
It is possible they had an end table which they put in storage or
something while they were selling the house. Though it would have
made much more sense to put a section of the sectional in storage, so
perhaps not. Maybe they put their drinks on the floor, or on the
sectional itself -- plenty of surface area.
<snip>
>>>They do always resent the loss of those small bits, don't they? Our cats
>>>fairly regularly try to kill themselves, too, though. Bella thinks
>>>rubberbands and twist ties are good to eat. *roll eyes* I keep telling
>>>her that one of these days, her luck is going to run out and I don't
>>>appreciate what that will cost us in vet bills!
>>
>>Eating rubber bands?
>>
>>Oh, gods, what a terrifying hobby.
>
> :::I suppose they might be okay. I really prefer plastic bags, myself.
> {feline nod}:::
That is not a less-terrifying hobby. Not if Val is *eating* the
plastic bags...
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
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> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>> Kathleen Hein wrote:
<snip>
>>> Cats like to eat all kinds of things that can get trapped in their
>>> intestines. Tinsel from Xmas trees being among the most favorite. But
>>> it's a lot easier to keep tinsel out of the house than rubber bands and
>>> twist ties. Especially when she will dig them out of the trash.
>>
>> Digs them out of the trash?
>>
>> Oh, that's simply cheating!
>>
>>
>> I'm considering one of the cans with lids for my bedroom. Silly small
>> boy has developed a new hobby -- emptying stuff out of the bedroom
>> trash. Mostly tissues and the contents of the Roomba's vacuuming bin --
>> not stuff I want back out on the floor again!
>>
>
> if one smells tempting enough. 2 apartments ago, we had enough room under
> the sink- and space elsewhere for pots and pans- that the garbage fit
> nicely in there and she couldn't get to it. Because even if you close up
> the top of the bag, she will claw her way inside. She is a very naughty
> and determined cat, sometimes.
I just hope they work. After Valentine figured out how to push the
snugly fitted wooden lid up and off the wastebasket with his nose, I'm
dubious about what constitutes "cat-proof." {half-smile} That said,
trimming the edges and adding a hook has so far done the trick. {Smile}
>> <snip>
>>>> A person just has to wonder about cat logic, sometimes. Perhaps they
>>>> think a nice foot odor would improve the fun of the milk jug ring?
>>>
>>> If he remembered to go back to them and retrieve them, I'd believe
>>> this. He does love to sleep with his head tucked inside a shoe. But no,
>>> these toys just get placed there until I go to wear the shoe and empty
>>> it out.
>>
>> Maybe kitty is like me. Great one for planning improvements, but not so
>> good at follow through. I plan improvements to this and that all the
>> time... rarely actually get the job all the way done, however. Maybe
>> kitty does, too.
>>
>> Sleeps with his head in a shoe? Oooo, oooo, oooo! I know another kitty
>> he should meet! They'd be pals!
>>
>> Or they'd fight over smelly shoes.
>>
>> But I know another kitty that sleeps with her head in shoes, too.
>
> It's not uncommon. *G* Cats find very silly sleeping spots.
:::It's not silly! It's a pillow that smells like people! {startled
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> [snip of pet toys]
>
>>>Over a dozen?
>>
>> We had a few Easter eggs. We gave them to Valentine to play with. He
>> loved them. A couple got lost. Not all that got lost got found again We
>> counted eggs, and came up with "not that many left." We decided we
>> needed more eggs. It was nearing Easter, so on his next trip tot he
>> store, Dad looked for more. He came home with a twelve pack. Voila! Over
>> a dozen
>> eggs. {REALLY BIG GRIN}
>>
>>>Ok, I'm feeling better about my possibly excessive ball collection.
>>
>> If they're for the dogs, it's not excessive. You're just making sure
>> you have enough they won't all get lost at once. {REALLY BIG GRIN}
>
> Um. This discussion reminds me. When did I last see the red ball?
{smile} Did you find it? {Smile}
>>>And I could have sworn I had a mini, teal, ball-on-a-rope, but now I can
>>>only find a medium, orange, ball-on-a-rope. And I just know that as
>>>soon as I buy a new mini ball-on-a-rope...
>>
>> This means you'd have two mini balls-on-ropes? {pause}
>>
>> What is the problem? You have two dogs. You have two hands to hold
>> toys. This seems like the perfect number anyway. {REALLY BIG GRIN, wink}
>
> My theory is, mini-ball for smallest dog, medium ball for small dog.
>
> Although, apparently, the smallest dog does not subscribe to the theory,
> since he likes the medium ball just fine. It is almost bigger than his
> head!
{Chuckle} And what does the bigger dog think of the theory? {Amused
Smile}
Aloha and love, {HUGS}
Anne
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
> Kat Hein wrote:
>
>> m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage] wrote:
>>
>>> Kathleen Hein wrote:
>>
> <snip>
>>>
>>> Oh, that's simply cheating!
>>>
>>> I suppose those finger-thwapping metal trash cans with the foot pedals
>>> can discourage cat-in-trash-ness. But, no, no realistic way to keep
>>> rubber bands out of the house.
>>>
>>> I'm considering one of the cans with lids for my bedroom. Silly small
>>> boy has developed a new hobby -- emptying stuff out of the bedroom
>>> trash. Mostly tissues and the contents of the Roomba's vacuuming
>>> bin -- not stuff I want back out on the floor again!
>>
>> We keep looking at them, since she will also dig bones out of the trash,
>> if one smells tempting enough. 2 apartments ago, we had enough room
>> under the sink- and space elsewhere for pots and pans- that the garbage
>> fit nicely in there and she couldn't get to it. Because even if you
>> close up the top of the bag, she will claw her way inside. She is a
>> very naughty and determined cat, sometimes.
>
Don't encourage her! {surprised look}
> The with-lid option is probably your only way to go. I've seen them in
> wicker (with plastic bin discreetly nestled inside), if metal is too
> modern for your tastes.
>
> <snip>
>>> Sleeps with his head in a shoe? Oooo, oooo, oooo! I know another
>>> kitty he should meet! They'd be pals!
>>>
>>> Or they'd fight over smelly shoes.
>>>
>>> But I know another kitty that sleeps with her head in shoes, too.
>>
>> It's not uncommon. *G* Cats find very silly sleeping spots.
>
> Doesn't it make their ears smelly?
:::But it smells like people!:::
> Not that this would bother the cat.
Of course not. {lop-sided smile}
:::Like I said, it smells like people!:::
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
:::Valentine "Val":::
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
"John Oliver" <jdol...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:7r2384dfd1f2d0fmg...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:14:23 -0700, "m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"
> <"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>>> I suppose those finger-thwapping metal trash cans with the foot pedals
>>>> can discourage cat-in-trash-ness. But, no, no realistic way to keep
>>>> rubber bands out of the house.
>>>>
>>>> I'm considering one of the cans with lids for my bedroom. Silly small
>>>> boy has developed a new hobby -- emptying stuff out of the bedroom
>>>> trash. Mostly tissues and the contents of the Roomba's vacuuming bin
>>>> -- not stuff I want back out on the floor again!
>
> with metal lid and pedals over, then she digs through it.
So those aren't entirely cat proof? Somehow I'm not surprised.
{half-smile}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
>>
>>>Kathleen Hein wrote:
>
<snip>
>>>can discourage cat-in-trash-ness. But, no, no realistic way to keep
> I just hope they work. After Valentine figured out how to push the
> snugly fitted wooden lid up and off the wastebasket with his nose, I'm
> dubious about what constitutes "cat-proof." {half-smile} That said,
> trimming the edges and adding a hook has so far done the trick. {Smile}
There may be even more finger-thwapping trash cans with lids on the
market. My father owns a couple that I'd have to dig a fingernail
into to detach lid from can. The can bends in a little near the top,
so that the outer lip of the can lid smoothly joins the body of the can.
<snip>
>>>But I know another kitty that sleeps with her head in shoes, too.
>>
>>It's not uncommon. *G* Cats find very silly sleeping spots.
>
>
> :::It's not silly! It's a pillow that smells like people! {startled
> kitty look}:::
Smelly people feet, to be precise.
m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]
> <"m_thomas[numBksInLastHrldMage]"@earthlink.net> wrote in message
<snip -- pets>
>>Um. This discussion reminds me. When did I last see the red ball?
>
> {smile} Did you find it? {Smile}
Of course. ;>
<snip>
>>> This means you'd have two mini balls-on-ropes? {pause}
>>>
>>> What is the problem? You have two dogs. You have two hands to hold
>>>toys. This seems like the perfect number anyway. {REALLY BIG GRIN, wink}
>>
>>My theory is, mini-ball for smallest dog, medium ball for small dog.
>>
>>Although, apparently, the smallest dog does not subscribe to the theory,
>>since he likes the medium ball just fine. It is almost bigger than his
>>head!
>
> {Chuckle} And what does the bigger dog think of the theory? {Amused
> Smile}
As long as no one messes with his sacred fuzzy beige stuffie, it is
all good. That's what Pepper thinks.
@aloha.net Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
news:b205e$4881adb9$97...@news.teranews.com...
> On 7/17/2008 7:49 AM, Kat Hein wrote:
> [snip of impromptu cat toys]
>
>
> [shudder] I'm *so* glad I'm in the habit of putting those _away_ in a
> drawer. Otherwise, I'd be scooping them out of the
> litterbox.......suitably encased, of course. Kyuri will eat practically
> anything string-y, and those fit the bill. (Don't ask about the
> poly-something ribbon-on-a-wand toy he ate, or the twine he discovered
> _in the depths of my closet_....the two-plus feet of which he took four
> days to pass through his system.....)
The variety of things that kitties consider to be edible is truly
amazing, isn't it? {sympathetic smile}
> victoreia ("Is that a feather from the sofa pillow/ribbon off a Christmas
> present/fiber-optic filament from the table-top Christmas
> tree/pick-something-stringlike sticking out of his mouth?!?")
The trick is to grab it and pull it back out before it disappears. We've
had to do that with a plastic bag once or twice. {wry smile}
Anne Elizabeth Baldwin