Gor Fan-fiction
Rejean Cote
Dreamer
wrote:
> Does anyone know of some good sites containing Fan fiction Story on gor?
>
My understanding is that John Norman does not allow the publishing of
fan-fiction regarding Gor. I do not have that direct from the horse's mouth, so
to speak, but without his permission publishing such fiction would be copyright
infringement.
I wish you well.
Dreamer
Scott Sanford
Dreamer <dre...@dreamstrike.com> wrote:
>In article <37C02F3A...@microtec.net> , Rejean Cote <rpc...@microtec.net>
>wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know of some good sites containing Fan fiction Story on gor?
>>
>My understanding is that John Norman does not allow the publishing of
>fan-fiction regarding Gor. I do not have that direct from the horse's mouth, so
>to speak, but without his permission publishing such fiction would be copyright
>infringement.
Yes, such stories would be questionable, at least -- but that hasn't
stopped folks from writing such things.
Let me suggest doing a web search for keywords such as 'Gorean' and
'fiction' and maybe 'fanfic'. Some pages will be found.
Of course, if you want some, it's always possible to write it yourself!
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Christopher Jorgensen
In article <Ti1w3.7$K76...@news.ais.net>, "Dreamer" wrote:
>Rejean Cote <rpc...@microtec.net wrote:
>> Does anyone know of some good sites containing Fan fiction
>> Story on gor?
Well, if you look, you will find some sites that have Gor fanfic,
but I'll withhold comment on whether they are good or not (either
sites or stories).
>My understanding is that John Norman does not allow the publishing
>of fan-fiction regarding Gor. I do not have that direct from the horse's
>mouth, so to speak, but without his permission publishing such fiction
>would be copyright infringement.
This said, I will add, it's not hard to write a story set on Gor while
still not using proprietary and copywrited material. Just leave Mr.
Norman's characters, his unique words, and setting alone, and go
for it. Feel free to even immitate his style. This is called a pastiche.
pas*tiche (noun)
[French, from Italian pasticcio]
First appeared 1878
1 : a literary, artistic, musical, or architectural work that imitates the
style of previous work; also : such stylistic imitation
christopher....
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Dreamer
In article <19990823020403...@ngol07.aol.com>, lynn...@aol.com
(Christopher Jorgensen) wrote:
>
> In article <Ti1w3.7$K76...@news.ais.net>, "Dreamer" wrote:
>
>>Rejean Cote <rpc...@microtec.net wrote:
>>> Does anyone know of some good sites containing Fan fiction
>>> Story on gor?
>
> Well, if you look, you will find some sites that have Gor fanfic,
> but I'll withhold comment on whether they are good or not (either
> sites or stories).
>
>>My understanding is that John Norman does not allow the publishing
>>of fan-fiction regarding Gor. I do not have that direct from the horse's
>>mouth, so to speak, but without his permission publishing such fiction
>>would be copyright infringement.
>
> This said, I will add, it's not hard to write a story set on Gor while
> still not using proprietary and copywrited material. Just leave Mr.
> Norman's characters, his unique words, and setting alone, and go
> for it. Feel free to even immitate his style. This is called a pastiche.
Quite true and very educational. I've said this before - but not so well -
and I didn't this time. Why? Sheer laziness. I confess.
I wish you well.
Dreamer
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PrinceWulf
>still not using proprietary and copywrited material. Just leave Mr.
>Norman's characters, his unique words, and setting alone, and go
>for it. Feel free to even immitate his style. This is called a pastiche.
>
>
>[French, from Italian pasticcio]
>
>First appeared 1878
>
> 1 : a literary, artistic, musical, or architectural work that imitates the
>style of previous work; also : such stylistic imitation
As a writer, I must caution any that would endeavour to write such stories that
ideas, as intellectual properties, are subject to the strict laws of
international copyright. It is true that you could compose stories based in
Gor, but remember that nearly everything about Gor would need to be
paraphrased. The word kajira, therefore, would need to be replaced. You could
have no larls or tarns, indeed, your story would be so watered down as to not
appear Gorean at all.
Should the creative bug tickle your fancy, perhaps it is time someone created a
world somewhat similar to Gor, but better written. It is apparent from reading
the series that Norman never planned things out in advance, he made many things
up as he went along. This is the catalyst for many inconsistencies throughout
the series, making cartography of Gor impossible, as he contradicts himself
often in his placement of cities and geological features.
Wulf
Axel
> As a writer, I must caution any that would endeavour to write such stories that
> ideas, as intellectual properties, are subject to the strict laws of
> international copyright. It is true that you could compose stories based in
> Gor, but remember that nearly everything about Gor would need to be
> paraphrased. The word kajira, therefore, would need to be replaced. You could
> have no larls or tarns, indeed, your story would be so watered down as to not
> appear Gorean at all.
Individual words cannot be copywrited.
Christopher Jorgensen
Nor, contrary to what the above poster says, can ideas be copywrited,
but a pretty good case could be made for copyright violation if you
used a bunch of "Normanisms."
Ideas cannot be copywrited, only the specific expression of that
idea. Thus, I can write a story about a Counter Earth or a Barbarians
on Mar book, but as soon as I start using a Tarl Cabot on a Tarn, I'm
in violation.
PrinceWulf
Make a film and tell the story of a Jedi Knight and his Lightsaber and see how
fast George Lucas nails you to a wall. Words that are the sole intellectual
property of a person, referring to concepts or items that are not real, such as
a Kajira, are not only protected, they are the indicators that a court would
use to determine if copyright laws were infringed. As I said, you can write a
Gor-like story, but the moment you pass over into any of Norman's original
concepts, you're breaking the law as sure as if you broke into his apartment
and stole his stereo.
Wulf
Christopher Jorgensen
In article <19990826045234...@ng-da1.aol.com>, princ...@aol.com
wrote:
>I regret to inform you that you proceed from a very false assumption >there.
I actually don't think we're having an argument here. I think we're
both saying the same things, just getting caught up on terminology.
When, in another post, you wrote:
>As a writer, I must caution any that would endeavour to write such
>stories that ideas, as intellectual properties, are subject to the
>strict laws of international copyright.
You set off bells, as it is not possible to copywrite ideas, only
specific expressions of those ideas. But what you're getting at
with "intellectual properties" is probably what I posted about
characters, settings, and unique words.
>Make a film and tell the story of a Jedi Knight and his Lightsaber
>and see how fast George Lucas nails you to a wall.
Like "Troops?" :)
No, but I could write a story about a young boy with visions of
grandeur who yearns to be free of his parents and believes
his father to be something special. This IDEA is as old as the
bible. (Oh, and I realize "Troops," falls under the parody laws).
>Words that are the sole intellectual property of a person, referring
>to concepts or items that are not real, such as a Kajira, are not only
>protected, they are the indicators that a court would use to determine
>if copyright laws were infringed.
Still done all the time. Think of how many SF authors wouldn't
even have careers if it wasn't for knocking off Tolkien.
>As I said, you can write a Gor-like story, but the moment
>you pass over into any of Norman's original concepts, you're breaking
>the law as sure as if you broke into his apartment and stole his stereo.
>Wulf
Want to get into punishment here? A burglary would find you in jail.
Copywrite infringement is limited in damages to the amount you
earned and the damage done to the author's earning potential. Which,
in this case, one could argue fanfic posted to a webage or newsgroup
would earn nothing (perhaps some fame), and do little damage to the
author. Considering the state of publishing today, it would be
difficult for me to imagine Norman's publisher hiring a lawyer to
go after such a person.
PrinceWulf
>but a pretty good case could be made for copyright violation if you
>used a bunch of "Normanisms."
>
>Ideas cannot be copywrited, only the specific expression of that
>idea. Thus, I can write a story about a Counter Earth or a Barbarians
>on Mar book, but as soon as I start using a Tarl Cabot on a Tarn, I'm
>in violation.
>
>
It is true that, to use Tarl Cabot for instance, characters are copyright
protected, but so is the Tarn. These are Norman's ideas... a giant mount that
flies and is called a tarn. Now, you could call in a Nart and get away with
that, unless you were also foolish enough to use the same strap sequences or
something like that, then he could make a case against you.
As for using Mars... well, that is more than legal. One of the beautiful
things about the whole setup is that there are possibilities, it's just a
matter of treading lightly where other people's intellectual properties are
concerned. I can make a laser sword, but the moment I call it a Lightsaber...
Wulf
PrinceWulf
we're not having an argument... I agree with you on several points here...
>Like "Troops?" :)
>
>No, but I could write a story about a young boy with visions of
>grandeur who yearns to be free of his parents and believes
>his father to be something special. This IDEA is as old as the
>bible. (Oh, and I realize "Troops," falls under the parody laws)
They also had permission to make 'Troops', most likely. Lucas has never been
one to stop parody... look at Weird Al's 'The Saga Begins'. It is so complete,
one needs not see the film, only hear the song, and you know the whole story,
but Lucas allowed it anyway.
>Still done all the time. Think of how many SF authors wouldn't
>even have careers if it wasn't for knocking off Tolkien
Yes, this is partly true, but certain words that Tolkien used were part of
legends and folklore, making them not subject to the laws of Copyright.
>Want to get into punishment here? A burglary would find you in jail.
>Copywrite infringement is limited in damages to the amount you
>earned and the damage done to the author's earning potential.
I was merely making a comparison as theft, not meaning to imply the punishment
was the same... it could just as easily been murder that I used and just said
'crime', not implying you'll get the chair for using the term Kalana in your
fanfic.
I think we are indeed on the same page, but as a writer of many years, and
having had a major work stolen from me because I was ignorant of the copyright
laws, I can only caution you to be careful, writers are very protective of
their ideas and stories.
Wulf
PS- Thank you, I very much enjoy an intellectual conversation, and it's so rare
these days :)
Angel Sparrow
I think I started this whole nonsense.
PrinceWulf wrote:
> >Still done all the time. Think of how many SF authors wouldn't
> >even have careers if it wasn't for knocking off Tolkien
>
> Yes, this is partly true, but certain words that Tolkien used were part of
> legends and folklore, making them not subject to the laws of Copyright.
Very true. After all, if I want to write about elves
(tall, short, Sant's, whatever), orcs (pig-men, brutes or giant fish)
dwarves (dark or light, red or black) and men, I can do so.
But I'd best not have hobbits, a Shire, or use Tolkien Elvish.
> >Want to get into punishment here? A burglary would find you in jail.
> >Copywrite infringement is limited in damages to the amount you
> >earned and the damage done to the author's earning potential.
In that case, Norman should be paying the writers royalties!
The average "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" fan who stumbles
across my Buffy/Gor crossover on my Buffy fanfic page
probably hasn't read any Norman.
I'm pointing them to a whole new author, and selling books
for this man. I am making no money for myself, but I do know
several people ahve e-mailed me as to which book is best
to start with.
The average person who reads "Houseplants of Gor"
is gonna go "huh?" and have to read some novels.
The Norman fan is going to bust a gut laughing.
> I was merely making a comparison as theft, not meaning to imply the >punishment
> was the same... it could just as easily been murder that I used and just >said
> 'crime', not implying you'll get the chair for using the term Kalana in >your fanfic.
nah, just a collar and a brand. Of course,
who wants a red-silk slave in the sixth month of
her fifth pregnancy
and pushing 32 years old?
8)
Gorean men all want dippy little 20 year old virgins
who know nothing of sex.
> I think we are indeed on the same page, but as a writer of many years, and
> having had a major work stolen from me because I was ignorant of the >copyright
> laws, I can only caution you to be careful, writers are very protective of
> their ideas and stories.
I understand where you come from. But with fanfic,
there is no money earned, and legalities are still being debated.
Check out
http://members.tripod.com/~dymphna
for a better discussion of the laws than I
can remember right now.
And my piece give Mr. Norman a great deal of credit,
and has an "it was all a dream" ending as the character
falls off the pile of paperbacks she'd fallen asleep on.
> Wulf
>
> PS- Thank you, I very much enjoy an intellectual conversation, and it's so >rare these days :)
Very rare, and I seem to have missed a lot of laps in the
conversation.
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Axel
> It is true that, to use Tarl Cabot for instance, characters are copyright
> protected, but so is the Tarn. These are Norman's ideas... a giant mount that
> flies and is called a tarn.
That is basically an idea and therefore is not copyrightable. To copy
Norman's words over a man riding a tarn would be a violation of
copyright, however to write an entirely new story in which a tarn is
riden by someone would not be such a violation.
Even character copyright is somewhat shakey with most cases of finding
it thus being based on visual imagery rather than pure written fiction.
Dreamer
In article <37C5B6BB...@hotmail.com>, Angel Sparrow
<vala...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> nah, just a collar and a brand. Of course,
> who wants a red-silk slave in the sixth month of
> her fifth pregnancy
> and pushing 32 years old?
*sound of stereotype bending a bit*
I would, if she was the sort of slave I liked anyway. None of those three
facts about her would make her less valuable - to me, at least. I've always
liked older women, still do, and I think pregnancy can make a woman look
even prettier than she already did. Five kids is more than I want, but if
you wanted 'em, swell.
>
> Gorean men all want dippy little 20 year old virgins
> who know nothing of sex.
*sound of stress fractures appearing in stereotype*
Correction. Some Gorean men. Or, if you prefer, some men. I myself wouldn't
bother with such. I'm a busy fellow. I like them broken in and ready to
race.
*smile*
I wish you well.
Dreamer
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Michael Johns
PrinceWulf <princ...@aol.com> wrote:
>>That is basically an idea and therefore is not copyrightable. To copy
>>Norman's words over a man riding a tarn would be a violation of
>>copyright, however to write an entirely new story in which a tarn is
>>riden by someone would not be such a violation.
>
>to task over it. You've copied him, not only using the same creature
>description, but the same name. This is copyright infringement, you don't have
>to believe me, just ask Tiger electronics and their Furby department. Imagery,
>my friend... it looked too much like a Mogwai from Gremlins, and they got sued,
>and had to pay.
>I would suggest you research it. It's public information, and it's all
>available on the web.
>Wulf
Wouldn't that be trademark violation rather than copyright violation?
I have a friend who sent off his comic strips to the LOC and filled
in the form claiming what he was claiming as his. The letter came
back that characters were not copyrightable.
If you put a guy with red hair on a big bird and call it a mugwump,
that isn't copyright infringement, that's the way Hollywood does
business every minute of the day.
Mike Johns
Axel
> This is incorrect. Don't test it. The tarn is enough for Norman to take you
> to task over it. You've copied him, not only using the same creature
> description, but the same name. This is copyright infringement, you don't have
> to believe me, just ask Tiger electronics and their Furby department. Imagery,
> my friend... it looked too much like a Mogwai from Gremlins, and they got sued,
> and had to pay.
Do you have any examples of similar literary copying of an idea being
held as a copyright violation? Don't forget that even titles are not
copyrightable - if someone wanted to publish a book called "Nomads of
Gor" which was not a copy of Norman's work, he would be entitled to use
that title if he so wished.
> I would suggest you research it. It's public information, and it's all
> available on the web.
It's not and again not. Law reports are by the nature expensive items
compiled by specialists and are not freely available on the web.
PrinceWulf
>
>I have a friend who sent off his comic strips to the LOC and filled
>in the form claiming what he was claiming as his. The letter came
>back that characters were not copyrightable.
>
>If you put a guy with red hair on a big bird and call it a mugwump,
>that isn't copyright infringement, that's the way Hollywood does
>business every minute of the day.
>
>Mike Johns
OK, now you're cooking with gas. Yes, hollywood does it all the time.
Norman's ideas were not entirely original, either. I'd hazard a guess that
giant birds were ridden in stories before Norman knew what a bird was.
Changing the name, making some minor adjustments... these will help you duck
lawsuits. But write a story about a man riding a tarn and it's trouble.
On the other hand, mythical creatures are not so protected. If you decided to
use the Tharlarion, for instance, your use of a definite name from the books is
a problem, but call it a dragon and it's fine.
Wulf
PrinceWulf
>held as a copyright violation? Don't forget that even titles are not
>copyrightable - if someone wanted to publish a book called "Nomads of
>Gor" which was not a copy of Norman's work, he would be entitled to use
>that title if he so wished.
There is a movie out right now, my friend, called The Haunting. It's a remake.
You will find that there is another movie coming out about the same topic.
What you won't see is that the two originally had a name conflict. It was
published in the trade mags that lawyers for both sides were arguing rights and
copyrights and eventually it all ended up a moot point as both were forced to
change their titles.
As for others that had legal precedence, I draw your attention to Babylon 5 and
Deep Space 9, two TV shows with very similar premises. Two space stations at
the entrance to wormholes... hmm... kinda fishy, eh? Is there a copyright
infringement?
Space Station: a common term, referring to something that is even now being
built for real in orbit around Earth... not subject to copyright law.
Wormhole: theoretical tear in the time/space continuum allowing instantaneous
travel between two points located several light years apart. As a theory based
on scientific conjecture, not subject to copyright law.
Now... say Babylon 5 had a 'Klingon' on board. Now they're in trouble. Every
bit as much as if DS9 had a Narn aboard.
>> I would suggest you research it. It's public information, and it's all
>> available on the web.
>
>It's not and again not. Law reports are by the nature expensive items
>compiled by specialists and are not freely available on the web
OK, if you go to the library, in the reference section, there are legal books.
Everything from Roe vs. Wade to the Scopes Monkey Trial to the foundation of
the Miranda Rights is there.
Wulf
PS- Vulcan planetary rotational orbits are a scientific theory, not a
Normanism, so if you want to write about a planet in the same orbit as Earth
but opposite, you can. Just remember that it's secrecy from Earth detection
will be as unrealistic in your book as it is in his.
Michael Johns
PrinceWulf <princ...@aol.com> wrote:
>>Do you have any examples of similar literary copying of an idea being
>>held as a copyright violation? Don't forget that even titles are not
>>copyrightable - if someone wanted to publish a book called "Nomads of
>>Gor" which was not a copy of Norman's work, he would be entitled to use
>>that title if he so wished.
>
>There is a movie out right now, my friend, called The Haunting. It's a remake.
> You will find that there is another movie coming out about the same topic.
>What you won't see is that the two originally had a name conflict. It was
>published in the trade mags that lawyers for both sides were arguing rights and
>copyrights and eventually it all ended up a moot point as both were forced to
>change their titles.
Novels can sometimes are recycled. As likely a title as "The Haunting"
has probably been recycled by people before. I'm a bit confused with
the US changing rules to be Europe compatible but titles weren't copyrightable
before. I suppose you would trademark your title/logo these days.
Revenge of the Jedi and Vengance of Kahn became Return of the Jedi and
Wrath of Kahn becuase the producers didn't want to blur the tiltles. There
weren't any suits that I am aware of.
Mike
PrinceWulf
>Wrath of Kahn becuase the producers didn't want to blur the tiltles.
Wow... thanks
I had heard about Revenge of the Jedi, but never Vengeance of Khan
Thank you, my friend, for telling me that. It's a bit of trivia I can put to
good use where I work, honestly.
I love learning new things like that...
Wulf
Torismond
>protected, but so is the Tarn. These are Norman's ideas... a giant mount
>that
>that, unless you were also foolish enough to use the same strap sequences or
>something like that, then he could make a case against you.
>As for using Mars... well, that is more than legal. One of the beautiful
>things about the whole setup is that there are possibilities, it's just a
>matter of treading lightly where other people's intellectual properties are
>concerned. I can make a laser sword, but the moment I call it a
>Lightsaber...
>Wulf
>
>
Just an observation on this idea.
The word "robot" was coined in a Science Fiction story (( by...a Karl Capek
I belive,
forgive me if I'm incorrect or misspelled ))
I think it is a Czech word meaning "worker"..which may hinder my point but
nevertheless,....
Long before his copywrite would have expired, the word was in common usage.
Probably first in other works of science
fiction. A "mechanical man" or at least
a certain type of such was, to everyone
nother other than a robot.
Had Mr. Capek wished to enforce his
copywrite, I submit he would have been
undone by the sheer success of his idea.
Which brings us to "Tarn" and "Kajira".
When I see or read a depiction of giant
bird of prey, capable of being trained to
carry a rider, one word and only one word
comes to my mind. As to "kajira", I think
more than a few persons in certain circles
would tell you it applies to a certain type of
woman among us here on earth now.
In short, If Mr. Norman's work finds a wide
enough audience, over time, the above terms (( or at the very least "kajira" ))
will,
in my opinion, achieve a status such as
the term robot. In a rather insular manner,
I would hold it already has.
Torismond
Peter Knutsen
Torismond wrote:
>
> >It is true that, to use Tarl Cabot for instance, characters are copyright
> >protected, but so is the Tarn. These are Norman's ideas... a giant mount
> >that
> >flies and is called a tarn. Now, you could call in a Nart and get away with
> >that, unless you were also foolish enough to use the same strap sequences or
> >something like that, then he could make a case against you.
> >As for using Mars... well, that is more than legal. One of the beautiful
> >things about the whole setup is that there are possibilities, it's just a
> >matter of treading lightly where other people's intellectual properties are
> >concerned. I can make a laser sword, but the moment I call it a
> >Lightsaber...
> >Wulf
> >
> >
>
> Just an observation on this idea.
>
> The word "robot" was coined in a Science Fiction story (( by...a Karl Capek
> I belive,
> forgive me if I'm incorrect or misspelled ))
> I think it is a Czech word meaning "worker"..which may hinder my point but
> nevertheless,....
The word "Robot" ("Robotnik" to be specific) was first used in a
science fiction'ish story or stageplay, and it could very well
have been by Kapek (I believe his name is something like Karel
Capek). I can check it if you're interested.
> Long before his copywrite would have expired, the word was in common usage.
> Probably first in other works of science
> fiction. A "mechanical man" or at least
If anyone can be said to "own" the word "Robot", it's certainly
not Capek, but Isaac Asimov :-)
[snip]
> In short, If Mr. Norman's work finds a wide
> enough audience, over time, the above terms (( or at the very least "kajira" ))
> will,
> in my opinion, achieve a status such as
> the term robot. In a rather insular manner,
> I would hold it already has.
You have a point here. But maybe Capek didn't mind other people
using his madeup word, because he was a socialist. Maybe he
just saw it as advertisement for his story (or play)?
> Torismond
--
Peter Knutsen
Axel
> You have a point here. But maybe Capek didn't mind other people
> using his madeup word, because he was a socialist. Maybe he
> just saw it as advertisement for his story (or play)?
And don't forget that copyright law in the 1930's was neither equivalent
to current copyright law nor as internationally based.
But more to the point as ideas cannot be copyrighted, the idea of a
robot/cyberman called a 'worker' would also fall outside copyright
protection.
Anyway this discussion is one best resolved on hard facts... i.e. case
law about literary (non-graphic) copyright cases. I do not have access
to a law library currently, so cannot look up anything myself.
PrinceWulf
>enough audience, over time, the above terms (( or at the very least "kajira"
>))
>will,
>in my opinion, achieve a status such as
>the term robot. In a rather insular manner,
>I would hold it already has.
>
>
Once again, you give Norman and his work far too much credit. If you took a
poll on the street today and asked 500 people what a robot is, and what a
kajira is, I daresay, you MIGHT get 5 people who have even heard the word
kajira... but all would know what a robot is.
Gor is popular, true, but nowhere near as popular as other works of Sci Fi...
and it never will be. The quality of the writing is at least in part
responsible for this. Right now there are more 'Trekkers' in America than
there are Democrats or Republicans individually... there will never be a time
when there are more 'Goreans' than there are members of such a group as a
political party.
To show you what I mean... look at AOL Gor... the Roleplay area. Most of the
players there are not even customers of Norman (ie, have never read his books).
They are there to cyber, or to play out D/s fantasies, or just to roleplay.
They make up more than 50% of the people there, perhaps 75% or more. This
means that there are not even enough 'Goreans' to make up half of a RP realm
based on Gor.
Realistically, you have to agree that John Norman's influence into the literary
culture of the 20th Century has peaked and will not become a phenomenon of the
21st.
Wulf
PrinceWulf
>not Capek, but Isaac Asimov :-)
>
>
Truer words have not been written in this Newsgroup since I started reading it.
Bravo
Wulf
ma...@magic.fr
Does anyone knows where to find a map of Gor?
Marta Maciejewska
i am reading all Your messeges thoroughly...but as i am from Poland..and
can't put my hands on Norman's works - i am not saying anything bout his
works...
but again - as i am from Poland i can say sth about words robot and
robotnik - they have similar meanings both in polish and in czech -
1 ROBOT - is now commonly used word meaning sth like a mechanical man, a
machine.
2 ROBOTNIK - is simply a worker...but it has a strong historical
background - look at comunist party here in poland
wishing you well and hoping to get some of Norman's work - Marta
Christopher Jorgensen
>Does anyone knows where to find a map of Gor?
Why would you need one?
Norman doesn't write in a convoluted style requiring one.
The narrative is about as straight forward as you can get.
Since most action is centered on a city-state, a jungle,
or plains, that's really all you need to know.
I've always imagined Gor much like Earth, down to the land
masses and everything. Just not as many towns, villages,
or population.
ValmirSaer
>
>Why would you need one?
>
>Norman doesn't write in a convoluted style requiring one.
>The narrative is about as straight forward as you can get.
>Since most action is centered on a city-state, a jungle,
>or plains, that's really all you need to know.
>
>I've always imagined Gor much like Earth, down to the land
>masses and everything. Just not as many towns, villages,
>or population.
>
>
Norman actually contradicted himself in several places in the books, making a
map all but impossible to make with any amount of accuracy. However, there are
a few good ones on the web, including one made by Marcus of Ar... it's on
Starnet.
The URL is available in another post on this newsgroup... under Map of Gor.
Hope you find it to your liking...
Valmir van Sær, Ubar of Ti
(AOL Gor)
spec...@iicomics.com
I am currently looking for new fan fiction submitions to post on it.
If this sounds like something you would want to do let me know.
Thank you
Edward Coyne
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