At All Costs - final battle == SPOILERS
Neil
went up against Haven. With the sheer number of missiles flying around in
the initial salvo, surely several well placed nukes timed correctly to
explode just as the opposing missiles reached the same point could have
taken out a lot of them ? After all missiles don't have bow or stern walls
and the text states that they were close enough that getting clear comms
lines was a problem !
Admittedly timing would have to be very precise but even if they could only
take out 15 or 20% that way it would make the rest of the salvo that bit
easier to deal with. In this instance Home Fleet would probably still not
have survived but they would have had a better chance. And once done once
then the Manties would get better at it the next time they had to try it.
They also had nearly 10 minutes (IIRC) from when the RHN fired and when the
first one went off. That would be plenty of time to generate an intercept,
after all they do it with CM's !
Just a thought anyway
Neil
Loren Pechtel
wrote:
Take out one wave at the cost of messing up your tracking on
everything else. Bad idea. I don't think it ever would have worked,
anyway, despite it's use earlier. (You're basically describing the
Triple Ripple tactic.) Nukes in space simply don't do all that much.
Don Sample
Neil <sun...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> One thing that bugged me about the start of the last battle when Home Fleet
> went up against Haven. With the sheer number of missiles flying around in
> the initial salvo, surely several well placed nukes timed correctly to
> explode just as the opposing missiles reached the same point could have
> taken out a lot of them ? After all missiles don't have bow or stern walls
> and the text states that they were close enough that getting clear comms
> lines was a problem !
That was the essence of Shannon's "Triple Ripple," taking out attacking
missiles with a wall of nukes, but Space Is Big. A really big nuke
might kill anything within a hundred miles of it (or a really really big
one might take out anything out to a thousand miles) but a thousand
miles is still a very tiny distance in space. It's a simple matter to
put your missiles onto slightly curving trajectories to go around such a
defence.
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joem256
> In article <4b216caf$0$16163$ec3e2...@news.usenetmonster.com>,
The Ripple used the EMP and other effects to take out the attacking
missles targeting and eccm systems, not to physically destroy the
missles. However, the timeing on it, if I remember correctly was the
key. So I doubt they would have had time to program the sequence,
assuming they carried enough of the big dirty warheads it required.
Also, Manticore had worked out a counter tactic to it. So no doubt
Haven did likewise.
Neil
I had totally forgotten the Triple Ripple. Yes you are right that was kind
of the idea I had. However in this case do to the massive amount of missiles
in play I think the nukes would have had some effect - especially as the RHN
was using revolving control links! You're probably right that the bad would
outweigh the good but it might have let Home Fleet live a little longer ..
pyotr filipivich
11 Dec 2009 04:58:56 -0800 (PST) did write/type or cause to appear in
alt.books.david-weber the following:
>On Dec 11, 2:23?am, Don Sample <dsam...@synapse.net> wrote:
>> In article <4b216caf$0$16163$ec3e2...@news.usenetmonster.com>,
>>
>> > One thing that bugged me about the start of the last battle when Home Fleet
>> > went up against Haven. With the sheer number of missiles flying around in
>> > explode just as the opposing missiles reached the same point could have
>> > and the text states that they were close enough that getting clear comms
>> > lines was a problem !
>>
>> That was the essence of Shannon's "Triple Ripple," taking out attacking
>> might kill anything within a hundred miles of it (or a really really big
>> one might take out anything out to a thousand miles) but a thousand
>> miles is still a very tiny distance in space. It's a simple matter to
>> put your missiles onto slightly curving trajectories to go around such a
>> defence.
>>
>missles targeting and eccm systems, not to physically destroy the
>missles. However, the timeing on it, if I remember correctly was the
>key. So I doubt they would have had time to program the sequence,
>assuming they carried enough of the big dirty warheads it required.
>
>Also, Manticore had worked out a counter tactic to it. So no doubt
>Haven did likewise.
No doubt Haven worked out the counter as they worked on the
original tactic.
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pyotr filipivich.
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you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.
joem256
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The Ripple requires high yeild dirty warheads to work. Unless you
went in planning to use the tactic, I doubt you'd have the required
warheads in any quanity onboard as Laserheads are much better ship
killers and Podnaughts have enough ammo problems with out carrying
missles that in all likelihood they would never use.
deowll
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To be precise lacking any of the correct omnidirectional warheads Home Fleet
could not do the triple ripple.