Does anyone remember the old Poster Map of Narnia?
JohnAdcox
Does anyone remember the old poster Map of Narnia? It was in print in the
USA in the late 70s and early 80s. Pauline Baines (I hope that's somewhat
close to the correct speliing) was the artist. It's lovely!
Is it by chance still available? The copy I received as a child has, alas,
seen better days. I'd love to find another.
Just wondering, aside from the books, are any Narnia products available? T
shirts? Artwork? Posters?
Thanks,
John
"I have abandoned my search for truth, and am now looking for a good
fantasy."
Douglas Gresham.
john...@aol.com (JohnAdcox) wrote:
>Does anyone remember the old poster Map of Narnia? It was in print in the
>USA in the late 70s and early 80s. Pauline Baines (I hope that's somewhat
>close to the correct speliing) was the artist. It's lovely!
You got Baynes almost right but speliing? Tsk Tsk.
>
>Is it by chance still available? The copy I received as a child has, alas,
>seen better days. I'd love to find another.
I can't promise, but it may come back.
>
>Just wondering, aside from the books, are any Narnia products available? T
>shirts? Artwork? Posters?
Wait around awhile and you will probably see mercahndise following the film.
>"I have abandoned my search for truth, and am now looking for a good
>fantasy."
Truth is a lot easier to find than good fantasy.
Doug.
Trisha Griffin
JohnAdcox <john...@aol.com> wrote in article
<51956g$j...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>...
> Does anyone remember the old poster Map of Narnia? It was in print in the
> USA in the late 70s and early 80s. Pauline Baines (I hope that's somewhat
> close to the correct speliing) was the artist. It's lovely!
>
> Is it by chance still available? The copy I received as a child has,
alas,
> seen better days. I'd love to find another.
>
> Just wondering, aside from the books, are any Narnia products available?
T
> shirts? Artwork? Posters?
>
> Thanks,
> John
> "I have abandoned my search for truth, and am now looking for a good
> fantasy."
>
> john...@aol.com jad...@cadmus-i.com
> http://www.cadmus-i.com
>
I don't remember a poster, but I do know that the BBC has some really great
videos out for the first 4 books (TLTW&TW, PC, VOTDT,TSC). There's cartoon
versions as well, and a couple of other TLTW&TW live action things.
I was also able to pick up a Narnia calendar for a couple of years, with
the Narnia pictures done in full colour.
Also a book on the History of Narnia, which gives timelines of Narnian
History vs 20th Century History.(I don't remember the name of this book,
but it also goes into giving brief synopses of the books, and explanations
of the various characters and their counterparts in Celtic-Romano mythology
- sits happily on my bookshelf!)
There is a CD out with harp music inspired by Narnia.
Never too old for Narnia!
Trisha
Brigid Cumming
>JohnAdcox <john...@aol.com> wrote in article
><51956g$j...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>...
>> Does anyone remember the old poster Map of Narnia?
I remember seeing it in stores, alas, I never bought it.
I thought Pauline Baynes's illustrations of the Chronicles were
excellent. My hardcover set doesn't have all the illustrations in it
though, as I discovered when I compared it to my (well-worn) paperback
set. Can anyone recommend a hardcover edition with all the
illustrations?
Thanks,
Brigid
Brigid Cumming
In article <01bba0fa$7b466620$1f39...@Trisha.AVOCAN>,
"Trisha Griffin" <trisha....@cherry.avo.das.gov.au> wrote:
> Also a book on the History of Narnia, which gives timelines of
Narnian
>History vs 20th Century History.(I don't remember the name of this
book,
>but it also goes into giving brief synopses of the books, and
explanations
>of the various characters and their counterparts in Celtic-Romano
mythology
>- sits happily on my bookshelf!)
By any chance is this "A Guide Through Narnia" by Martha C. Sammons?
Oddly enough the front cover of my copy of this book shows a map of
Narnia & adjacent territories drawn by Sylvia Aruffo Smith. It's well
done.
On the inside cover it states that copies of this map are available
(or where, in 1979) from:
David C. Cook Publishing Co., Elgin, IL 60120. That would be Illinois
in the United States, I think.
Back to the book, if it's the same <g>, it's generally excellent.
Thanks for reminding me I had it.
Brigid
davi...@arrk.com
I used to have the poster map of Narnia. It was beautiful. Reminded
me a bit of the Lord of the Rings maps, but the Narnia map had several
scenes illustrated in detail near the sides of the map.
bcum...@mail.island.net (Brigid Cumming) wrote:
>I thought Pauline Baynes's illustrations of the Chronicles were
>excellent. My hardcover set doesn't have all the illustrations in it
>though, as I discovered when I compared it to my (well-worn) paperback
>set. Can anyone recommend a hardcover edition with all the
>illustrations?
The Japanese language hardcover edition has all the illustrations. In
addition, each book is not only hardcover, but also individually
boxed. The cover illustrations are by Baynes. The obvious drawback
is that they are in Japanese.
Raion To Majo (The Lion and the Witch)
Uma To Shonen (The Horse and the Boy)
Gin No Isu (The Silver Chair)
are the titles I remember. Incidentally, Mere Christianity is also
available in Japanese hardcover.
David
Wayne G. Hammond
In article <01bba0fa$7b466620$1f39...@Trisha.AVOCAN>, "Trisha Griffin" <trisha....@cherry.avo.das.gov.au> says:
>JohnAdcox <john...@aol.com> wrote in article
><51956g$j...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>...
>> Does anyone remember the old poster Map of Narnia? It was in print in the
>> USA in the late 70s and early 80s. Pauline Baines (I hope that's somewhat
>> close to the correct speliing) was the artist. It's lovely!
>>
>> Is it by chance still available? The copy I received as a child has,
>alas,
>> seen better days. I'd love to find another.
Pauline Baynes drew not only the splendid poster map for Narnia but also two
for Tolkien's Middle-earth. The original art for the Narnia map is on display at
the Marion E. Wade Center, Wheaton College, Wheaton, Illinois. The staff
there say that they have many visitors who ask if copies of the map are still
available. It was originally published in the mid-1970s -- I forget the exact date
at the moment, but I bought my copy in 1975 or 1976 -- and was reissued
sometime in the 1980s, I think; but I believe that it's now out of print again,
as a separate poster. (Most bookstores no longer want to bother with posters,
as they need special care and display facilities and have to be ordered in lots.)
However, it's very nicely reproduced as the frontispiece to Brian Sibley's
_The Land of Narnia_, which also reproduces some of Pauline's old pictures for
the Narnia books and a few new color illustrations.
>I was also able to pick up a Narnia calendar for a couple of years, with
>the Narnia pictures done in full colour.
I know of only the one Narnia calendar illustrated by Pauline Baynes, which
coincided with the reissue of _The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe_ a few
years ago -- the one with the lovely endpapers showing the end of winter in
Narnia. The calendar was terrific, but must have been expensive to produce
in such a large format and on such good paper. I've suggested to HarperCollins
U.K. (my and my wife's publisher for _J.R.R. Tolkien: Artist & Illustrator_) that
they should commission Pauline for more such calendars, and further volumes
of the Narnia books, but I don't know if they will. She is still active at age 74
and (contrary to her own protests and natural modesty) still a brilliant artist.
My wife and I intend to write a book about her art (not only for Lewis and
Tolkien) if we can find a sympathetic publisher.
> Also a book on the History of Narnia, which gives timelines of Narnian
>History vs 20th Century History.(I don't remember the name of this book,
>but it also goes into giving brief synopses of the books, and explanations
>of the various characters and their counterparts in Celtic-Romano mythology
>- sits happily on my bookshelf!)
Brigid Cumming suggested that this might be Martha Sammons' book (which
has someone else's map of Narnia on the cover, not Pauline Baynes'). My first
thought was that it's the aforementioned _The Land of Narnia_.
> There is a CD out with harp music inspired by Narnia.
Is this on CD now? I have the LP from long ago.
In a related post, Brigid Cumming wrote:
>I thought Pauline Baynes's illustrations of the Chronicles were
>excellent. My hardcover set doesn't have all the illustrations in it
>though, as I discovered when I compared it to my (well-worn) paperback
>set. Can anyone recommend a hardcover edition with all the
>illustrations?
As far as I know, none of the editions now has all of the illustrations. Maybe
one of the British editions has all of the line drawings -- many of which have
been left out of most American editions (I am not sure about the current U.S.
edition). There was originally a color plate in _The Lion, the Witch and the
Wardrobe_ (not, however, Pauline at her best), and halftone plates in _The
Horse and His Boy_ which Lewis praised in one of his letters. Unfortunately,
one really needs to look at the pictures in early printings of the books, as they
have been rephotographed and reprinted so many times over the years that
many have degraded badly, with lines lost or thickened or areas filled in. The
originals are marvellously fine work.
By the way, my wife and I plan to present a couple of slide shows of Pauline's
work, for Narnia and otherwise, at the August 1998 Mythopoeic Society
conference at Wheaton College, which will mark both Lewis's and Owen
Barfield's centenaries. News of the conference will be widely posted as
details are worked out.
Wayne Hammond
Wayne.G...@williams.edu
Pamela T. Pon
Wayne G. Hammond <Wayne.G...@williams.edu> wrote:
>Pauline Baynes drew not only the splendid poster map for Narnia but also two
>for Tolkien's Middle-earth.
I love the Narnia map! Utterly gorgeous. My original Narnia and LORD OF
THE RINGS maps got a bit worn over the many years they hung in my room.
Fortunately I was able to buy a new copy of the Narnia one at a Christian
conference center's bookstore in the 80's; but the LOTR one was long out
of print. However, also sometime in the 80's, there were 2 puzzles put out
featuring Bayne's Middle Earth maps! One had Tolkien's watercolor of Bilbo
& the barrels floating downriver on one side, with Bayne's HOBBIT map on the
reverse; the other was just Bayne's LOTR map. The completed puzzles don't
come out as large as a poster would, but they make a decent (and very sturdy)
substitute. ;-)
>I know of only the one Narnia calendar illustrated by Pauline Baynes, which
>coincided with the reissue of _The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe_ a few
>years ago -- the one with the lovely endpapers showing the end of winter in
>Narnia. The calendar was terrific, but must have been expensive to produce
>in such a large format and on such good paper.
I would love to have seen this. Probably much better than the 3 Michael
Hague (ick) calendars that were done a while back (they did LWW, PC, & VDT
-- one per year -- before canceling the series due to lack of sales.)
>that they should commission Pauline for more such calendars, and further
>volumes of the Narnia books, but I don't know if they will. She is still
>active at age 74 and (contrary to her own protests and natural modesty)
>still a brilliant artist. My wife and I intend to write a book about her art
I wholeheartedly support all of the above.
>As far as I know, none of the editions now has all of the illustrations.
>Maybe one of the British editions has all of the line drawings -- many of
>which have been left out of most American editions (I am not sure about
>the current U.S. edition). [...] Unfortunately one really needs to look
>at the pictures in early printings of the books, as they have been
>rephotographed and reprinted so many times over the years that many have
degraded badly, with lines lost or thickened or areas filled in.
YES. Doug, have you SEEN the horrible reproductions of Bayne's work
in the new US editions? Sorry, I've forgotten which publisher is doing the
new editions in the new order with a different color jacket for each volume
(Harper Collins?), and which publisher did the far superior beige-jacketed
editions in the old order (MacMillan?). While both editions seem to include
*all* of the line drawings, the new editions' illustrations are TERRIBLY
reproduced, in both the paperbacks and the hardcovers -- they look like
they've been repeatedly faxed (thermal, not plain-paper ;-) and photocopied
waaaayy too many times. The reproductions in the beige editions, on the
other hand, were *impeccable* -- even in the paperbacks.
Furthermore, the colored-jacket editions are printed in a typeface
which is harder to read: the font is unappealing (ok, ugly) and the letters
are too closely spaced, unlike the attractive, comfortably-spaced font of the
beige editions. The page format is also harder to read, wasting huge empty
margins while clumping all the type in the middle, instead of *using* all
that space to spread out the lines of type and make the page more open and
airy, so your eyes can scan the words more easily, as in the beige editions.
Even the paper is inferior: darker and thinner than the nice thick crisp
white paper in the beige editions. Like the difference between using cheap,
lower-weight, dull-finish paper in your printer instead of 24lb glossy paper.
The paper may even have affected the illustrations' quality: imagine the
difference between using an intricately detailed rubber stamp on a piece of
newspaper instead of crisp white paper, and watching the ink bleed and lose
all the detail of the stamp's original design.
I wish I'd bought a boxed hardcover set of the beige editions while
I had the chance (and if I could have afforded it ;-). Heck, even the beige
*paperbacks* were superior to the current hardcovers.
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Dear Pamela,
Please write this all out again and send it to Anthea Disney
at HarperCollins, 10 East 53rd Street New York, New York
10022-5299. Publishers need to hear this sort of thing so
that they know what to address.
Blessings,
Doug.
Andrew Rilstone
Question:
Are the Baynes illustrations considered intrinsically part of the Narnia
books, in the way that, say, Teniel is of 'Alice' or could one imagine
an edition with different pictures. (This could become an issue when the
movie comes out.)
No subtext here; I like Baynes pictures a lot: I was just interested in
people's views
--
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Brigid Cumming
Thought I'd share the following e-mail exchange. Uh, it's [me] &
[Douglas Gresham], [me] starting...
>>>>You've mentioned a forthcoming movie in a few posts to date;
>>>>will this be live action or animation? Or is it still at the
>>>> 'development' stage?
>>>Definitly live action combined with computer generated imagery.
>>>But yes still in the development stages.
>>Gosh, you don't suppose you could convince the movie people to
>>re-release Pauline Baynes's Narnia Poster along with the movie? :-)
>The Narnia Poster rights would belong to HarperCollins, and I
>will suggest a possible re-release next time we have a board
>meeting and see what they say.
'Yes', say 'yes'!
Cheers,
Brigid
Sandra Sinclair
p...@best.com (Pamela T. Pon) wrote:
>
> YES. Doug, have you SEEN the horrible reproductions of Bayne's work
>in the new US editions?
snip
the new editions' illustrations are TERRIBLY
>reproduced, in both the paperbacks and the hardcovers
snip
> Furthermore, the colored-jacket editions are printed in a typeface
>which is harder to read: the font is unappealing (ok, ugly) and the letters
>are too closely spaced, unlike the attractive, comfortably-spaced font of the
>beige editions. The page format is also harder to read, wasting huge empty
>margins while clumping all the type in the middle, instead of *using* all
>that space to spread out the lines of type and make the page more open and
>airy, so your eyes can scan the words more easily, as in the beige editions.
>Even the paper is inferior: darker and thinner than the nice thick crisp
>white paper in the beige editions. Like the difference between using cheap,
>lower-weight, dull-finish paper in your printer instead of 24lb glossy paper.
All of this made me think of many, many letters in the book of Lewis'
correspondence with Arthur Greeves. He mentions every book he has
obtained,and very frequently praises the edition (good paper, boards,
type, etc.) or else rants a bit over the poor quality of same. He would
certainly not have been pleased with the first set you have described.
Best,
Sandra
Margaret R. Dean
In article <YtESTBA1...@aslan.demon.co.uk>,
Andrew Rilstone <and...@aslan.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Question:
>
>Are the Baynes illustrations considered intrinsically part of the Narnia
>books, in the way that, say, Teniel is of 'Alice' or could one imagine
>an edition with different pictures. (This could become an issue when the
>movie comes out.)
>
>No subtext here; I like Baynes pictures a lot: I was just interested in
>people's views
I don't know about anyone else, but I'd find it at least as hard to
imagine a non-Baynes Narnia as it would be to imagine a non-Tenniel Alice.
I mean, I'd try to keep an open mind about a different set of pictures,
but--!
--Margaret Dean
<marg...@access.digex.net>
Gerry Howe
In article <51h694$5...@access5.digex.net>, Margaret R. Dean
My memory is that CSL liked the Baynes drawings a lot.
--
Pamela T. Pon
Margaret R. Dean <marg...@access5.digex.net> wrote:
>Andrew Rilstone <and...@aslan.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>Are the Baynes illustrations considered intrinsically part of the Narnia
>>books, in the way that, say, Teniel is of 'Alice'
Yes.
>>or could one imagine an edition with different pictures.
>>(This could become an issue when the movie comes out.)
>
>I don't know about anyone else, but I'd find it at least as hard to
>imagine a non-Baynes Narnia as it would be to imagine a non-Tenniel Alice.
>I mean, I'd try to keep an open mind about a different set of pictures,
>but--!
Well, we don't have to imagine: just take a look at Michael Hague's
illustrations (in the three calendars, for example). They pained me,
to say the least. Now, if they could find a truly *great* illustrator,
like Trina Schart Hyman, it might be worth it (but then, I'd buy ANY
book with her artwork in it.) But avoid Hague and his garish ilk,
don't let the accursed Brothers Hildebrandt anywhere near the covers,
and keep Rowena Merrill a few lightyears away before she gives us her
lovely rendition of David Hasselhoff as Caspian and Pamela Anderson Lee
as Lucy Pevensie. >;-P
Wayne G. Hammond
(Sorry if the multiple layers of quotations in this post are confusing!)
In article <51irkf$d...@shellx.best.com>, p...@best.com (Pamela T. Pon) says:
>Margaret R. Dean <marg...@access5.digex.net> wrote:
>>Andrew Rilstone <and...@aslan.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>Are the Baynes illustrations considered intrinsically part of the Narnia
>>>books, in the way that, say, Teniel is of 'Alice'
>
>Yes.
Pauline's illustrations (she's a personal friend, so I can call her by
her first name) have never had the level of recognition, in critical
writings about Lewis, that Tenniel's "Alice" pictures have had in
connection with Carroll's texts. And there does not seem to have
been as much give and take between Lewis and his illustrator as
there was between Carroll and Tenniel. But yes, Pauline's pictures
are intrinsically part of the Narnia books, in that few people who
have read the books with her illustrations can imagine Narnia and
its peoples any other way, e.g.:
>>I don't know about anyone else, but I'd find it at least as hard to
>>imagine a non-Baynes Narnia as it would be to imagine a non-Tenniel Alice.
>>I mean, I'd try to keep an open mind about a different set of pictures,
>>but--!
>
>Well, we don't have to imagine: just take a look at Michael Hague's
>illustrations (in the three calendars, for example). They pained me,
>to say the least. Now, if they could find a truly *great* illustrator,
>like Trina Schart Hyman, it might be worth it (but then, I'd buy ANY
>book with her artwork in it.) But avoid Hague and his garish ilk,
>don't let the accursed Brothers Hildebrandt anywhere near the covers,
>and keep Rowena Merrill a few lightyears away before she gives us her
>lovely rendition of David Hasselhoff as Caspian and Pamela Anderson Lee
>as Lucy Pevensie.
I share Pamela's dislike of Michael Hague's work (for Lewis and
otherwise). Trina Schart Hyman would be an interesting artist to
try Narnia, but not all of her work is entirely successful, in my
opinion (her new book with Margaret Hodges, _Comus_, however,
is right on the mark). In any case, I can't see that anyone ultimately
would be better than Pauline Baynes at the job. Partly, I suppose,
that's because I read the Narnia books first with her pictures, and
have re-read them with those pictures so often. As a result, I
couldn't accept that rather plump actress in the role of Lucy in
the BBC television films, though she acted well enough -- she
wasn't physically as Pauline drew her!
Wayne Hammond
Wayne.G...@williams.edu
Feico Nater
On 12-09-96 23:38p, in message <01bba0fa$7b466620$1f39...@Trisha.AVOCAN>,
"Trisha Griffin" <trisha....@cherry.avo.das.gov.au> wrote:
> There is a CD out with harp music inspired by Narnia.
Tell me more!
> Never too old for Narnia!
Definitely!
Don A. Smith
Personally, I don't like the Narnia poster. I don't like that she puts huge
illustrations of scenes from the books over sections of the landscape, I
don't like it that she just puts "Islands off thataway" with an arrow off
the right edge of the map. I don't like that she doesn't use insets, putting
Calormen and Narnia on the same scale, because Calormen is mostly desert, and
so much bigger than Narnia, you waste a lot of space. It may be nice as an
illustration, but it's almost useless as a map.
But then, I'm biased. My mom made a Narnia map just after I was born, and
I much prefer her version. And not just cause she's my mom, either, although
I'm sure that plays a role. I'm sure I also like that map because it was
always around the house as I grew up with the books, and shaped my reading
of them from the very beginning.
Anyway, my folks called naval experts to figure out how fast a ship built like
the Dawn Treader would go under various weather conditions, so they could
get the spacing of the islands as accurately as possible. They called the
forestry department to see how fast four children (and a giant beaver? :-))
could walk through snow and slush. They combed through the books to get
every reference to locations and distances.
Hey, Doug. I know that copyright restrictions make it impossible to get
the map published without selling it outright to HarperCollins, but what
about putting an image on the web? Nobody's making any money off of that,
so can it be considered illegal? I know people have asked me about it
before, and I didn't know what to say. And since the expert on these things
is here, I thought I could ask.
Another question. I know my mom's map was used as an illustration in two
books in the 70s. Was that illegal? Did they only get away with it because
nobody noticed?
Yours curiously,
Don Smith
Wayne G. Hammond
>Personally, I don't like the Narnia poster. I don't like that she puts huge
>illustrations of scenes from the books over sections of the landscape, I
>don't like it that she just puts "Islands off thataway" with an arrow off
>the right edge of the map. I don't like that she doesn't use insets, putting
>Calormen and Narnia on the same scale, because Calormen is mostly desert, and
>so much bigger than Narnia, you waste a lot of space. It may be nice as an
>illustration, but it's almost useless as a map.
Of course, it was meant to be primarily illustrative and decorative,
and I'm sure that Pauline Baynes would be the first to say that she's
not a professional cartographer.
[snip]
>Hey, Doug. I know that copyright restrictions make it impossible to get
>the map published without selling it outright to HarperCollins, but what
>about putting an image on the web? Nobody's making any money off of that,
>so can it be considered illegal? I know people have asked me about it
>before, and I didn't know what to say. And since the expert on these things
>is here, I thought I could ask.
Speaking not as an expert, but as a librarian who knows something
about copyright: putting a copyrighted image (or text) on the Web
without permission of the copyright holder is just as illegal as
printing it on paper without permission. It makes no difference
whether or not one is making money from it.
>Another question. I know my mom's map was used as an illustration in two
>books in the 70s. Was that illegal? Did they only get away with it because
>nobody noticed?
Under current copyright law, it would be illegal if your mom held
the copyright (i.e. as the creator of the work, unless she sold the
copyright or assigned it to someone else) and didn't give her
permission for the map to be so used. But the law was different in
the 70s, and only a copyright lawyer could say for sure (as much
as even copyright lawyers can be sure about such a muddled body
of law).
Wayne Hammond
Wayne.G...@williams.edu
Brigid Cumming
In article <51jn9i$4...@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>,
das...@space.mit.edu (Don A. Smith) wrote:
<snip>
>But then, I'm biased. My mom made a Narnia map just after I was
born, and
Was your mum Sylvia Aruffo Smith, btw? If so, that's the map of Narnia
on the front cover of "A Guide Through Narnia", and it is probably
a better map (hedging because I haven't seen Pauline Baynes's map in
so long, it's not fair to compare the two). However, Ms. Baynes's
map has layers of 'sedimental' value for me and I suspect other fans
of her work.
And yeah, I rushed off & looked at the reproduced picture quality...
they do look more like photocopies than drawings, in both of the sets
I have. Plus the covers on the hardcover set (an el cheapo Doubleday
book club edition, caveat emptor) have covers by someone else, and
they are jarring to say the least. Fortunately, the interior work
is by Ms. Baynes, although as I complained earlier, missing about 1/3
of the artwork in my paperback set.
Why doesn't someone suggest to Folio Books of England that they do a
copy? I have a beautifully bound Lord of the Rings which I treasure.
It's a delight to hold as well as read. And it wasn't that hideously
expensive.
Cheers,
Brigid
Douglas Gresham.
bcum...@mail.island.net (Brigid Cumming) wrote:
>Why doesn't someone suggest to Folio Books of England that they do a
>copy? I have a beautifully bound Lord of the Rings which I treasure.
>It's a delight to hold as well as read. And it wasn't that hideously
>expensive.
Have you guys seen the new "Deluxe" edition with new art by
Pauline? I think you'll like it.
Doug.
Douglas Gresham.
das...@space.mit.edu (Don A. Smith) wrote:
>Hey, Doug. I know that copyright restrictions make it impossible to get
>the map published without selling it outright to HarperCollins, but what
>about putting an image on the web? Nobody's making any money off of that,
>so can it be considered illegal? I know people have asked me about it
>before, and I didn't know what to say. And since the expert on these things
>is here, I thought I could ask.
>
>Another question. I know my mom's map was used as an illustration in two
>books in the 70s. Was that illegal? Did they only get away with it because
>nobody noticed?
I wouldn't call myself an expert but in answer to your first
question, I think it probably would be in contravention of copyright
and trademarking law, and in answer to your second, I don't know.
Blessings,
Doug.
Wayne G. Hammond
Sorry, the deluxe edition of which work? _The Lord of the Rings_
or the Narnia books? The present deluxe _Lord of the Rings_ is
illustrated by Alan Lee. Or do you mean the deluxe _Lion, the
Witch, and the Wardrobe_ from a few years ago, to which Pauline
added new art? -- and which I like very much. (As I wrote earlier,
I've suggested to HarperCollins that they commission Pauline to
do the other Narnia volumes in the same format. One would think
that this would be a fine way -- among many others -- to mark the
Lewis centenary in two years, not to mention commercially
successful.)
Wayne Hammond
Wayne.G...@williams.edu
Douglas Gresham.
Wayne.G...@williams.edu (Wayne G. Hammond) wrote:
>Sorry, the deluxe edition of which work? _The Lord of the Rings_
>or the Narnia books? The present deluxe _Lord of the Rings_ is
>illustrated by Alan Lee. Or do you mean the deluxe _Lion, the
>Witch, and the Wardrobe_ from a few years ago, to which Pauline
>added new art? -- and which I like very much. (As I wrote earlier,
>I've suggested to HarperCollins that they commission Pauline to
>do the other Narnia volumes in the same format. One would think
>that this would be a fine way -- among many others -- to mark the
>Lewis centenary in two years, not to mention commercially
>successful.)
I was referring to LWW. The work has just been released in the
US. Though it has been in print for some time in the UK. Its
sales have not been dramatic, but steady so far. BTW I was at a
party with Pauline Baynes, George Sayer and other Lewis
attached people at Magdalen College the other night. It was fun
to see old friends again.
Doug.
Marshall Anthony Woods
Glenn P., <c128...@GTI.Net> wrote:
: What about "Tye Companion to Narnia" by Paul F. Ford? Anyone have that one?
There is, I beleive, a nice new edition of that one out. Much larger
size, and more faithfully-reproduced illustrations than my old one :)
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Wenlaw
Pamela Pon wrote:
>Well, we don't have to imagine: just take a look at Michael >Hague's
>illustrations (in the three calendars, for example). They >pained me,
>to say the least. Now, if they could find a truly *great* >illustrator,
>like Trina Schart Hyman, it might be worth it
I collect both Michael Hague's work and Tina Schart Hyman, but I would
respectfully disagree with Pamela. Just today I received a first edition
of The Pilgrim's Regress, illustrated by Hague. The dust jacket, with its
vivid air-brush illustration is stunning.
Several mentioned the inexorable tie between Alice and Tenniel. I love
the poem by Austin Dobson in this regard:
Enchanting Alice! Black and white
Has made your charm perrennial,
And nought save "Chaos and Old Night"
Can part you now from Tenniel.
But I disagree! I have Tenniel, Rackham, Julia Greene, Blanche McManus,
Barry Moser and a score of others. Each presents a new interpretation of
Alice.
In the same way, multiple illustrators would shed their own light on
Narnia. Some we would hate, others might make us look at Narnia in new
way. I do know that different children are drawn to different
illustrative styles. My son saw the Hague cover on Pilgrim's Regress and
appraised it with the ultimate pre-teen word of appreciation: "Awesome!"
I'd love to have a Narnia set by Michael Hague, one by Susan Jeffers, one
by Tina Schart Hyman, one by Jan Brett, one by Maurice Sendak and one by
Leo and Diane Dillon. (And yes, I'd buy each set.)
Wouldn't it be wonderful to see The Chronicles of Narnia come out in the
large, thick picture book size on premium paper like Sendak's Nutcraker or
Hagues Fairy Tale books? Big enough so that when you are reading aloud to
a child the book can bridge the distance between. <sigh>
Wendy Lawton