Rob
KoRnGoth <korng...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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<Smile!>
You know, when ever I visit New Orleans, and walk through the French Quarter at
night, I find myself thinking the same thoughts.
Then I go home and Real Life sets in.<G>
Cathy
Creek wrote:
> I don't know, maybe I'm just too anchored in reality, but I've never
> once considered that these characters are real. They are real in the
> sense that they now "exist" within our culture and in our minds, but
> none of us is going to walk into Lestat or Louis anytime soon.
I believe that they are 'real' in that they are part of the lady known
as Anne Rice. They exist inside her mind, they are part of her, part
of who she is. Also, many characters in her novels are based upon
real people.
> If you take the books at face value, then it's impossible for them to
> be real. Anne owns St. E's and it is the home of her family, her doll
> collection, and Stan's paintings...no vampires there, no Lestat
> sleeping under the cross.
One of the things that Anne does to make her stories seem even
more real is that she uses real places. I've walked by the house
on Divisado many, many times. It's beautiful and it's real. All
the places she mentions in her books help tie the stories to
reality. I've wondered, as I look at the beautiful windows and
"gingerbread" exactly what went on in Anne's mind to give her
these extra-ordinary ideas.
> There was never a veil at St. Patricks. I
> think it is safe to say if that kind of an ikon really existed we all
> definately would have heard something about it.
Veronica's veil is real. It's in St. Peter's and has been there for
many years. The name Veronica means "true image" and the name
actually refers to the veil, not the woman. It came to be the woman's
name down through history.
http://couponsurfer.infoplease.com/ce5/CE054079.html
Other search engines will also get more information.
> Jeez, I told you I was too anchored in reality ;-)
> Creek
The wonderful thing about Anne's books/writings is that
we can leave reality for a short time and enter a world
that seems as real as our own. Anne is a storyteller
of great talent.
BTW, Creek, your posts are always exceptional.
Thanks for contributing so much to this group.
Laura F.
Laura wrote:
>I've walked by the house
>on Divisado many, many times.
Oops, that should read Divisadero.
Laura
I'd love to think so . . .Actually I love the way the books exist within the
books, if you know what I mean. It makes me laugh when one of the Vamps
references something in pop culture e.g.. Leonardo Di Caprio being admired
by Louis (that is _so_ Louis) or The X-Files. As for them really existing .
. . Lestat are you lurking about here somewhere? He would love it in this
NG, so many people adore him so (myself included).
Lisa K (Dora)
She had her teeth surgically alterred to be fangs, and she drinks of her
boyfriend's blood.....it's creepy, she really looks the part....
Vi
KoRnGoth <korng...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I don't know... maybe I'm crazy... but hey, this isn't my theory
> really. It was induced by an old girlfriend of mine. She believed
> vehemently that Lestat was a real person and that he convinced Anne
I don't know, maybe I'm just too anchored in reality, but I've never
once considered that these characters are real. They are real in the
sense that they now "exist" within our culture and in our minds, but
none of us is going to walk into Lestat or Louis anytime soon.
If you take the books at face value, then it's impossible for them to
be real. Anne owns St. E's and it is the home of her family, her doll
collection, and Stan's paintings...no vampires there, no Lestat
sleeping under the cross. There was never a veil at St. Patricks. I
think it is safe to say if that kind of an ikon really existed we all
definately would have heard something about it. There was no reports
of mass murder in the 1980's, no mention of a concert gone awry. AND,
last but certainly not least, Lestat and Louis's townhouse on the Rue
Royal is opened to the public and wasn't built until the early 1800's,
I believe. Jeez, I told you I was too anchored in reality ;-)
Creek
Yours, etc
Gairid
"...Don't fall so in love with the night
that you lose your way!"
LdeL
I've seen a lot of people like that around, there is a whole subculture
of people in New York who are "vampires." They have fangs permanently attached
to their teeth, they dress the part and some of them are into blood sports
(drinking eachother's blood). There are vampire themed parties at various clubs
in the city every weekend. But actually, most of these vampires are regular
old friendly people who just happen to have an exotic fetish.
To each his own, I guess.
Lexi
~Nicole
I feel the same way about autobiographical writing. Though the original
author may be dead the act of reading continually ressurects a small part of
zir thought processes. The experience which you relive as you read, whether
real or fictional, is essentially a living part of you. As such when you
read Lestat's tale and experience his emotions and difficulties those
emotions become real -after all, you're feeling them. The characters
themselves will never be full, realtime individuals but they are snapshots
of experience which can affect our thoughts in very real ways. Any
experience, written down and preserved, achieves a life beyond that of the
author or narrator.
Gemma
Well said! I never thought this subject would be taken this far! I
have truly stumbled upon a bunch of people that aren't on usenet just
to flame others like on oterh groups. Thank you for allowing me a safe
haven to come to when I feel like getting away from all of the
childish name calling.
>
~In the past I was known as a freak. Had no friends picked on cuz I was weak~
-KoRn-
~The soul would have no rainbows if the eyes had no tears~
-Anonymous-
~...To a world that never appreciated sh*t you can suck my **** and f***ing like it!~
-KoRn-
~Fuck you I'm Fed Up with you I'm not as good as you fuck no I'm better than you~
-KoRn-
Jessica, please explain "beautiful creature." Are you talking
physically or the whole package. Lestat might be drop dead gorgeous
(no pun intended), but I wouldn't say he's a beautiful creature.
I think Louis is the closest thing to being a truly beautiful
creature. I'm not much of a Louis fan, but I think out of all them he
does have the most beautiful of souls.
Creek
I stand corrected. I never knew that it was real!! That's a very
interesting thing to know. Do you know when or how the veil came to be
in St. Peter's?
>
>The wonderful thing about Anne's books/writings is that
>we can leave reality for a short time and enter a world
>that seems as real as our own. Anne is a storyteller
>of great talent.
I agree, that is their most exceptional quality. You don't read one of
her books, you live it with the characters. I also like what someone
else said about the books being in the books and as you said, the real
places that are in the books. I agree the characters exist in Anne and
within our culture, but for any sane person to maintain a pretense of
any further reality to the stories...well, it's almost impossible.
>
>BTW, Creek, your posts are always exceptional.
>Thanks for contributing so much to this group.
Thank you for the compliment, Laura.
>Laura F.
Creek
Laura wrote:
>
> >Veronica's veil is real. It's in St. Peter's and has been there for
> >many years. The name Veronica means "true image" and the name
> >actually refers to the veil, not the woman. It came to be the
woman's
> >name down through history.
>
Creek wrote:
> I stand corrected. I never knew that it was real!! That's a very
> interesting thing to know. Do you know when or how the veil came to be
> in St. Peter's?
I first heard about the veil being in St Peter's in 1971-1972.
I was told it had been there "for centuries", but there is very little
information about how it came to be there or how long it has been there.
I've seen the Shroud of Turin, and would like to see the Veil, or at
least pictures of it. As far as I know, there aren't any photographs.
Anyone knows of any, I'd be thrilled to see them.
It frequently bothered me that it might not be authentic <g>
and I wondered why the Holy Father didn't just compare the face
on the veil with the face on the Shroud of Turin (the supposed burial
cloth of Christ). Doesn't that make sense? If they were both
Christ, wouldn't the images be the same, or at least similiar ??
There is very little information about the veil to be found, either in
church literature, or lately, on the internet.
Just for the record, I don't think they are "real" in that they are
actually the imprinted face of Christ, but I do think they are very
interesting and historical artifacts. The Shroud has been proven to
be made around the time of Leonardo DaVinci. <G>
I wondered when I read Memnoch why Anne would even consider the "return
of the veil" since the veil was already "found" ages ago, and nobody
seems to care !!
Laura F.<prim...@jps.net>
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I must say, I agree here...I've visited sever other sites, some are okay, but
this is definately one of the nicest places to visit.
The sniping that goes on in some of the other groups, although mildly
entertaining at times, DOES become tedious. And sometimes you have to wonder
if you signed into the right place, as there are next to no on-topic
discussions going on.
I'm fairly new to the newsgroups, and got seriously flamed & harassed just for
having an opinion..oh, well. I don't take these things personally, really, I've
a thicker hide than that, but it really IS very nice to come in here & read
some of the thought-provoking and/or hilarious observations. Thanks everyone
(And sorry for my verbosity!)
Yours, etc.
Gairid wrote:
Verbosity is always appriciated, and it makes me happy that I am not the only
person to use that word on a regular basis.
~Sara
Hi Sara...
Thanks...vocabulary CAN be fun, can't it? The people I work work with ask
me at least once a day what the "Word of the Day" is...(affectionaly of
course)...I can't help it! I love a good word, what can I say?
Verbosely and loquaciously yours,
Gairid
The Gothic Society of Virginia
"Experience the Beauty of Midnight"
http://juliet.colossus.net/darkgothic
*smiles* Damn you're good.... I gotta love a person with good vocabulary
skills... :)
Lisa :)
http://members.xoom.com/LisasLair - Come & visit....