CONTRADICTIONS IN THE RICE BOOKS!
SAQ!
Hi
i just finished readingMemnoch the Devil for the second time and just
noticed the contradictions in it!
Towards the end, maharet imprisons lestat.Now im dead cert that i read that
lestat was immeasurably strong then how the hell did they manage to imprison
him with mere chains?!!!!!
Maharet also mentions "doing away with him"
Once more i clearly remember reading that Nothing could destroy Lestat, not
even the oldest of the vampires!then what the hell was Maharet talking
about?
Right uptil the end , we are given the feeling(ever since Qod) that lestat
is the most powerful of the vampires but at the end Anne literally goes back
on her words!
Im a great fan of hers and mean her no disrespect but this makes no
sense!Oh
who do you think deceived Lestat?god?or memnoch?
ps:
in tale of the body thief, i disticntly remember a part where lestat is able
to read davids thoughts after giving him the dark gift!how?
saq!
MedelliaE
>Hi
>i just finished readingMemnoch the Devil for the second time and just
>noticed the contradictions in it!
>Towards the end, maharet imprisons lestat.Now im dead cert that i read that
>lestat was immeasurably strong then how the hell did they manage to imprison
>him with mere chains?!!!!!
Maybe it was psychological or Maharet was also securing the strength of the
chains psychically.
>Maharet also mentions "doing away with him"
>Once more i clearly remember reading that Nothing could destroy Lestat, not
>even the oldest of the vampires!then what the hell was Maharet talking
>about?
Maharet and Mekare are definitely stronger than Lestat. So is Khayman. One
could argue that Marius is stronger. Eric is probably just as strong as Lestat
too. It has to do with ancient blood and age.
>Right uptil the end , we are given the feeling(ever since Qod) that lestat
>is the most powerful of the vampires but at the end Anne literally goes back
>on her words!
> Im a great fan of hers and mean her no disrespect but this makes no
>sense!Oh
>who do you think deceived Lestat?god?or memnoch?
Both deceived him.
>ps:
>in tale of the body thief, i disticntly remember a part where lestat is able
>to read davids thoughts after giving him the dark gift!how?
>saq!
I don't remember this one, it's been a long time since I have read it.
Elisa, Duchess of Donnelaith
Tom Donovan
>Maharet and Mekare are definitely stronger than Lestat. So is Khayman.
One
>could argue that Marius is stronger. Eric is probably just as strong as
Lestat
>too. It has to do with ancient blood and age.
I don't know about that. Don't forget, Lestat drank a hell of a lot of
Akasha's blood. That in itself would make him very powerful.
Another contradiction I noticed a while back was Armand's hair. When
did he have it curled..or did he have it straightened ? I can't be sure.
Anyway, in IWTV he is described as having very straight auburn hair, yet in
the other books his hair is always described as long curling locks.
My 0.2p
Love
Tommy
Akasha
Lestat said he believed that he MAY be stronger than all the vampires, but
that he didn't reall know for sure. Anything that Lestat says has a certain
air of self importance, so maybe it's not necessarily 100% true.
SAQ!
maharet and mekare are stronger??!!!!!!!!
but it doesnt only have to do with the ancient blood
it has do with the experiences and sufferings too
remember qod , all of the others admitted they couldnt even begin to see the
limits of lestats powers! after all he got more than enough of akashas
blood!!!!!
maybe just maybe the first brood was stronger than him but i doubt eric or
marius were!!!!!!!
Both god and the devil deceived him?explain!!!!
and who dop you think wrote the note containing his eye?
saq!
MedelliaE wrote in message
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>>Hi
>>i just finished readingMemnoch the Devil for the second time and just
>>noticed the contradictions in it!
>>Towards the end, maharet imprisons lestat.Now im dead cert that i read
that
>>lestat was immeasurably strong then how the hell did they manage to
imprison
>>him with mere chains?!!!!!
>
>Maybe it was psychological or Maharet was also securing the strength of the
>chains psychically.
>>Maharet also mentions "doing away with him"
>>Once more i clearly remember reading that Nothing could destroy Lestat,
not
>>even the oldest of the vampires!then what the hell was Maharet talking
>>about?
>
>Maharet and Mekare are definitely stronger than Lestat. So is Khayman.
One
>could argue that Marius is stronger. Eric is probably just as strong as
Lestat
>too. It has to do with ancient blood and age.
SAQ!
Exactly tommy! The amount of akashas blood that lestat drank and his other
experiences should definitely have made him stronger than all the others!!!
i noticed the part about the hair tooo!!!!!!!
especially in the part where lestat meets armand for the first time in
memnoch .theres also a mention there of cutting hear!what is that supposed
to mean? does he cut it every night?!!!!!!
saq!
Tom Donovan wrote in message <6gppsv$jnc$1...@plug.news.pipex.net>...
>>Maharet and Mekare are definitely stronger than Lestat. So is Khayman.
>One
>>could argue that Marius is stronger. Eric is probably just as strong as
>Lestat
>>too. It has to do with ancient blood and age.
>
SAQ!
well "akasha"
its obvious to all that after lestat drank so much of akaksha blood that he
was stronger than louis and david,isnt it?
well then how the hell did those two manage to drag lestat into the cellars
against his wishes?!!!!!!!!!!!
saq!
Akasha wrote in message
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Everend
I havn't read MTD yet, but I do know as far as Lastat's strenght compared to
Maharet her sister, I would think that Maharet's sister (forget the name)
would be the strongest. Yes Lastat did drink Akasha's blood, but didn't
QOTD end with Maharet and her sister drinking Akasha dry??? So the dose of
blood is probably near the same, however being of the first brood, the twins
would have time on their side.
It is said that once a vampire is injured or goes into the ground they come
out stronger. Didn't Maharet's twin do this? in 1000's of years, did they
not. And Maharet often walked the daylight to tan her skin, this too would
have the same affect.
I understood that Lastat was always stronger than Louise, and as far as
David, I have no clue. David was made by Lastat AFTER he drank the blood of
Akasha, therefor David too is blessed with her blood. In Pandora, it is
mentioned that as a whole young Vampires have gained powers as centurys
passed. David can see ....(no spoiler here) even though he is a young
vampire.
Everend
Pendragwn
>its obvious to all that after lestat drank so much of akaksha blood that he
>was stronger than louis and david,isnt it?
>well then how the hell did those two manage to drag lestat into the cellars
>against his wishes?!!!!!!!!!!!
I think Baby Jenks was probably stronger than Louis also.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jeremiah
Destroy roofs,
walls,
See in all the rooms at once
Akasha
> its obvious to all that after lestat drank so much of akaksha blood that
he
> was stronger than louis and david,isnt it?
> well then how the hell did those two manage to drag lestat into the
cellars
> against his wishes?!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you suggesting that Lestat would kill Louis or David, whom he loves?
Maybe he would, I don't know. It's something to think about, anyway.
SAQ!
I think you got the part about the twins drinking akasha dry wrong, it never
happened!!!!!!
But dont you realize that Lestat to went through a hell of a lot.admitted
not as long as mekare but
what about all his sufferings and experiences!!!!!!!
If you remember the ending of qod , the other vampires admitted that they
couldnt even begin to see the extent of Lestats powers!!!!!!!!!
But considering that david was lestats fledgling,
and that lestat was a lot older , there is no way david could have been
stronger.
but who do you think deceived lestat in MTD?
saq!
Everend wrote in message <35317...@news.dakotacom.net>...
m&v
Didn't Mekare, or was it Maharet, who ate the heart of Akasha when they
killed her with the glass of the broken window? I only read QUEEN
once, so may be sketchy on my facts of this book. I now look forward
to rereading them all. Thank you Anne for PANDORA, though, I fear many
of you do not agree...it is sort of like a "taste" of what is to
happen. If you ask me, Anne is back.
Victoria
SAQ!
i never said anything about killing but he could have easily fled , couldnt
he?
Akasha wrote in message
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MedelliaE
I think strength has three components
1) blood of the fount - Akasha
2) age
3) experience which includes going underground, having gone through terrible
near death experiences IE fire, sun and survived.
It's a composite of all these things...
Maharet and Mekare ate Akasha's brain and heart - you can't get stronger than
that plus they 4000 years old. Experience - well being underground for several
milleniums, etc. I think they take the cake.
Khayman was made by Akasha, is 4000 years old and his experiences could well be
similar to the twins or Lestat. I remember he did mention going underground in
Queen, etc.
Now we do not know if Marius drank from Akasha as often as Lestat. I would
think that would be his reward for guarding them. But it is still unknown.
Marius is 2000 years old.
Eric was made by Maharet and is 1000 years old. All of his blood is second
hand. So Lestat is probably stronger than Eric, though younger.
Now David is probably strong for a fledgling but very young. He no doubt is
stronger than Louis. Louis may be the weakest immortal.
On Louis and David taking Lestat into the cellar or attic in Mennoch. Come on
Lestat was in a state of shock and panic. They could easily take him down to
Maharet. If not Maharet would have assisted.
On hair, yes they have to cut their hair nightly if they want to appear to have
short hair. Armand may straighten his hair nightly or put in gel and
laniments. Who knows? I have curly hair and strengthen it with a blow dryer
when I grow tired of it.
IMO, Mennoch was fooling with Lestat, so was God, during this whole adventure.
Lestat believed for awhile. He thought their was an afterlife for immortals.
He thought that God and the Devil were benevolent beings who cared about
humanity and had a purpose. At the end we felt betrayed and deceived. Thus,
he freaked.
E
SAQ!
Well i dont know if eating the heart and brain helped! i think its only thr
blood that helps.If eating them did help then dont forget:lestat drank the
blood of god!!!surely that must count for something!!!!!!!
I admit it may be possible that the first brood is stronger than lestat,
but i really doubt Marius is!!!!!
I dont think he got as much of akasha blood as lestat did, and his
experiences cant compare to lestats either!!!!!!!
Im definite lestat is stronger than Eric! he seemd the cowardish type and i
doubt he had many experiences that would have added to his strenght!
But i still cant understand the part about the hair! I doubt Armand
took the trouble of curling his hair each night!i think Anne just slipped
up!
But who do you think wanted lestat to bring the veil back to ?i think it
was god!!!!!
after all god gave it to him and in fact memnoch tried to take it from
him.The fact that Memnoch was shocked when lestats eye fell out makes me
believe his side of the story.But the only part that doesnt make sense then
is the note in which memnoch congratulates lestat on a job well done!!!!!!!
Yours has been one of the best postings ive read in a while.I was
wondering if you consider writing a review on one or more of the vampire
books for a website im making?if so mail me
MedelliaE wrote in message
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Shawn Hill
MedelliaE (mede...@aol.com) wrote:
: Maharet and Mekare are definitely stronger than Lestat. So is Khayman. One
: could argue that Marius is stronger. Eric is probably just as strong as Lestat
: too. It has to do with ancient blood and age.
Pandora also is probably stronger. We know she can move around the world by
stopping her motion relative to it's orbit, and she's almost as marble as the Old
Ones were by this point. However, Lestat's power was upped by being given a direct
line to Akasha's blood, so he's much stronger than he should be for his age. He's
drunk from the best.
Shawn
LyJaneGrey
>I think Baby Jenks was probably stronger than Louis also.
I seriously doubt that. By the time Lestat made Louis, he had already drunk
from Akasha. Louis may not broadcast his powers as much as some of the other
vamps do, but I don't think he's a weakling.
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LyJaneGrey
>its obvious to all that after lestat drank so much of akaksha blood that he
>was stronger than louis and david,isnt it?
>well then how the hell did those two manage to drag lestat into the cellars
>against his wishes?!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm almost positive it was Maharet who chained him up, not Louis and David.
Louis wouldn't have been able to force himself to do that even if he could. He
was against the whole idea.
Everend
SAQ! wrote in message <6gt6m7$m36$1...@news1.c2i.net>...
>I think you got the part about the twins drinking akasha dry wrong, it
never
>happened!!!!!!
As I remember, they drank Akasha's blood until she turned transparent just
as Enkil turned transparent when Akasha drank his blood.
>But dont you realize that Lestat to went through a hell of a lot.admitted
>not as long as mekare but what about all his sufferings and
experiences!!!!!!!
I am making an assumtion that durring the centuries before Lastat was
made, the twins went through many hardships. I aggree Lastat did go through
a lot, but when we are talking about the twins being over 10 times older
than Lastat...
>If you remember the ending of qod , the other vampires admitted that they
>couldnt even begin to see the extent of Lestats powers!!!!!!!!!
I believe that is slightly mistaken also, Lastat couldn't begin to see
(or imagine) the extent of his own powers, and the others did not know
(could only guess) at the extent of his powers.
>But considering that david was lestats fledgling,
>and that lestat was a lot older , there is no way david could have been
>stronger.
I aggree..
>but who do you think deceived lestat in MTD?
Don't have a clue, havn't read it, don't know the story line.
Everend
Everend
I wonder if the issue has been clouded slightly, and would like to clerify
one point.
are we discussing pure strength? or are we discussing ability?
I think there is little doubt that Lastat has more ability than most all the
others, where I think the debate lies is with the strength aspect, who is
stronger, who can withstand more sunlight, fire, who's skin is tougher ect.
I don't know anymore, too tired, must sleep.....
Everend
Star Child
SAQ!
Ive just remembered something which may help us compare the powers of
Khayman and Lestat!
If you recall, it was in QOD , when Khayman came back(after having buried
himself) , that he discovered for the first time that he had the power to
burn other immortals with mere thoughts!!!!!!!
However in Tale of the body Thief , Lestat has the power to do so to!!!!!!!
Since Khayman was older than Maharet and Mekare,he must be as powerful if
not stronger than them.But since Lestats powers seem to match those of
Khayman he must be as strong as the twins too!!!!!!!
As far as Marius is concerned i doubt he got more than a few mouthfuls of
akashas blood.Akasha i doubt was very grateful towards him,
remember the condiition she left him in QOD?
plus by the time she gave her blood to lestat she had drunk all of enkils
blood too which must surely have made her even stronger!!!!!!
Ive finally gotten my hands on a copy of Pandora.Ive just started but so
far so good!
saq!
Mike & Jesse Hazel
"Everend" <eoth...@dakotacom.net> wrote:
>I havn't read MTD yet, but I do know as far as Lastat's strenght compared to
>Maharet her sister, I would think that Maharet's sister (forget the name)
>would be the strongest. Yes Lastat did drink Akasha's blood, but didn't
>QOTD end with Maharet and her sister drinking Akasha dry??? So the dose of
>blood is probably near the same, however being of the first brood, the twins
>would have time on their side.
>
Maharet is stronger because she has been a continual awareness,
without sleep. She has never gone underground, mekare is stronger now
for obvious reasons... but you'd think Khayman was the strongest
since he was the first after Enkil...
>It is said that once a vampire is injured or goes into the ground they come
>out stronger. Didn't Maharet's twin do this? in 1000's of years, did they
>not. And Maharet often walked the daylight to tan her skin, this too would
>have the same affect.
I never figured that one out... Mekare went underground... and it
seems the twins were always stronger than Khayman... never made sense
to me, since Khayman was also a continual awareness...
>
>I understood that Lastat was always stronger than Louise, and as far as
>David, I have no clue. David was made by Lastat AFTER he drank the blood of
>Akasha, therefor David too is blessed with her blood. In Pandora, it is
>mentioned that as a whole young Vampires have gained powers as centurys
>passed. David can see ....(no spoiler here) even though he is a young
>vampire.
I would think David is about as strong as Armand, because Marius drank
from Akasha as well, ... so that would make sense to me...
>
>Everend
>
>
MedelliaE
Some very interesting comments.
I still believe that Maharet, Mekare, and Khayman are stronger than Lestat.
Khayman was not the type to flaunt his abilities or strength to the world. But
he was extremely strong, could burn a mortal or immortal on sight, could fly
like Pandora, did not require blood any longer, and could survive in the sun.
Maharet did not require sleep, and was very strong as well. Mekare went
underground for so long and now consumed the most vital parts of Akasha, and
drank her dry.
On Mennoch, I always wondered why did he go to Maharet with the eye. I know
that Maharet wanted to restrain Lestat because she thought that he was
dangerous to mankind and immortal kind. Were the twins playing a mean joke on
Lestat? I don't think so. I believe that God and the Devil were playing a
game and Lestat was their pawn.
On Akasha and Marius. Sure, Akasha wanted to leave Marius and Enkil and knew
that she needed to fix Marius good in order to escape. But Marius was guarding
Akasha and Enkil for 2000 years. Come on his reward for his obedience and
loyalty was their blood.
JMO
E
Tana L. Lee
In tale of the body thief, you mention that when Lestat had given David
the dark gift, he could still read his thoughts. This particular
occurrence is not really a contradiction to the stated fact , that the
"creator" could not read his fledgling's thoughts, but merely an exception
to the rule. We must remember that David had extraordinary psychic
abilities when he was still a mortal man, and therefore, the infusion of
vampire blood would not really prevent he and Lestat from reading each
other's thoughts, as he already had the ability to do so as a mortal. The
dark gift would merely heighten David's ability.
Tana :)
If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy,
throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think how
stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real grenade at
them.
--
SAQ!
when lestat made louis he had only had a mouthful or two of akashas
blood!!!!
i doubt that mattered much and he hadnt had that many experiences that may
increase his powers either.louis is definitely one of the weakest!
saq!
LyJaneGrey wrote in message
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>>I think Baby Jenks was probably stronger than Louis also.
>
>I seriously doubt that. By the time Lestat made Louis, he had already
drunk
>from Akasha. Louis may not broadcast his powers as much as some of the
other
>vamps do, but I don't think he's a weakling.
>
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SAQ!
Everend wrote in message <3532f...@news.dakotacom.net>...
>
>SAQ! wrote in message <6gt6m7$m36$1...@news1.c2i.net>...
>>I think you got the part about the twins drinking akasha dry wrong, it
>never
>>happened!!!!!!
>
>As I remember, they drank Akasha's blood until she turned transparent just
>as Enkil turned transparent when Akasha drank his blood.
nope, they just ate her heart and brain
>
> I am making an assumtion that durring the centuries before Lastat was
>made, the twins went through many hardships. I aggree Lastat did go
through
>a lot, but when we are talking about the twins being over 10 times older
>than Lastat...
maybe
>>If you remember the ending of qod , the other vampires admitted that they
>>couldnt even begin to see the extent of Lestats powers!!!!!!!!!
> I believe that is slightly mistaken also, Lastat couldn't begin to see
>(or imagine) the extent of his own powers, and the others did not know
>(could only guess) at the extent of his powers.
not to sure about that
>
>Everend
>
>
SAQ!
i think both ability and strenght grow together
(excluding the ability to read thoughts which varies from vampire to
vampire)
If lestat had more ability than the others i presume he had more strenght
too!
saq!
SAQ!
Star Child wrote in message <6gv58i$c6t$1...@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net>...
i think memnoch was made by the twins.
really?
YOu know they can fill theirs
victims heads with images before they die? Well i think since they are
the Source of all vampires, they can surely trick their children.
but why?i cant think of any possible reason
Remember in MtD, where Lestat punches him and he says something like "i
should have known you would be as strong as us" their for, this means
one of two things. 1 if the twins where behind this, Lestat is as strong
as them. or #2 Lestat is as Strong as Angels.
i think that is exactly what he meant
i mean why did Memnoch
give they eye back to mehart?
that, i must admit, i cant figure out!why maharet?
in any case he is motionless, cant do a
thing. Poor Lestat. :(
not for too long i hope, cant wait for him to come back
SAQ!
Everend
>he was extremely strong, could burn a mortal or immortal on sight, could
fly
Mortals Too? i didn't know my blood was flamable, as vampires blood
is...
>Mekare went
>underground for so long and now consumed the most vital parts of Akasha,
and
>drank her dry.
So they did drink Akasha dry, I thought so. Good someone who remembers
as I do.
Everend
donna
MedelliaE wrote:
> I still believe that Maharet, Mekare, and Khayman are stronger than Lestat.
> Khayman was not the type to flaunt his abilities or strength to the world. But
> underground for so long and now consumed the most vital parts of Akasha, and
> drank her dry.
>
There's also the scene in QOTD when they're all gathered together and
Lestat notices how calm and collected Maharet and Khayman are and then
realizes it's because Akasha isn't able to harm them, which Akasha
admits herself a few pages later. But Akasha has no doubt she can kill
Lestat, he's first on her list to kill if they refuse to join her. It
makes sense that she would never have given Lestat enough power to be
any match for her. Strong enough to be a worthy assistant, but not
strong enough for him to challenge her or too strong for her to destroy.
But Akasha knows she can't kill Maharet or Khayman. She can only hurt
them by killing those they love.
I think you have to take Lestat's estimation of his power with a grain
of salt. He also thought he had made David as strong as the old ones but
when David encounters Pandora, she considers him weak and and no match
at all for her power.
Donna
> JMO
>
> E
SAQ!
well Lestat could burn anyone on sight and fly and survive the sun too.After
QOD he didnt need blood either(but he wanted it)I dont think Maharet is any
stronger tahn Khayman and since Khayman got these powres so late i think its
afe to say that if these two are stronger than lestat its not by very
much.Mekare migth be stronger than them both as she ate akashas vital parts!
But what was gods and memnochs game?what did which one of them want to
accomplish?i really cant figure it out?no wonder it made lestat comatose.
MedelliaE wrote in message
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>Some very interesting comments.
>
>I still believe that Maharet, Mekare, and Khayman are stronger than Lestat.
>Khayman was not the type to flaunt his abilities or strength to the world.
But
>he was extremely strong, could burn a mortal or immortal on sight, could
fly
>like Pandora, did not require blood any longer, and could survive in the
sun.
>Maharet did not require sleep, and was very strong as well. Mekare went
>underground for so long and now consumed the most vital parts of Akasha,
and
>drank her dry.
>
LyJaneGrey
>when lestat made louis he had only had a mouthful or two of akashas
>blood!!!!
Does that really matter? Anyway, that's still a heck of a lot more than what
Baby Jenks had. Louis is also 200 years older than her too. I don't know
where the assumption that Louis is *that* much weaker than the rest comes from.
Okay, so he can't read minds very well. Sue him.
>i doubt that mattered much and he hadnt had that many experiences that may
>increase his powers either.louis is definitely one of the weakest!
>saq!
Louis may indeed be *one of* the weakest, but he stands among some pretty
powerful company (Baby Jenks is not included). Baby Jenks was a young vampire
with fewer years under her belt than I've got. She can't be stronger than
Louis, it doesn't make sense.
SAQ!
i dont think that apllies here.Its supposed to be so that fledgling amd
master cannot read each others thoughts with noi exceptions.besides lestat
couldnt read davids thoughts even when he was mortal as david always veiled
them.
saq!
Tana L. Lee wrote in message ...
DLH
SAQ! wrote in message <6h0e24$8f7$1...@news1.c2i.net>...
>Ive just remembered something which may help us compare the powers of
>Khayman and Lestat!
>If you recall, it was in QOD , when Khayman came back(after having buried
>himself) , that he discovered for the first time that he had the power to
>burn other immortals with mere thoughts!!!!!!!
I thought that in QotD it was actually Akasha who burned them -- she was
standing nearby Khayman, which made him think at first that he was the one
doing it, and this horrified him.
>However in Tale of the body Thief , Lestat has the power to do so
to!!!!!!!
I don't remember this in Tale (which I recently finished re-reading); can
you be more specific (i.e., did he really burn anyone)?
IMO -- Mekare is the "strongest" followed closely by Maharet and Khayman.
Lestat probably falls next in line by virtue of how much of Akasha's blood
he drank.
<lots of snipping>
I basically agree with MedelliaE:
>>I think strength has three components
>>
>>1) blood of the fount - Akasha
>>2) age
>>3) experience which includes going underground, having gone through
>>terrible near death experiences IE fire, sun and survived.
>>
>>It's a composite of all these things...
>>
>>Maharet and Mekare ate Akasha's brain and heart - you can't get stronger
>>than that plus they 4000 years old. Experience - well being underground
>>for several milleniums, etc. I think they take the cake.
Is this completely accurate? I thought only Mekare ate both her brain and
heart so that she would be the new "Queen".
>>Eric was made by Maharet and is 1000 years old. All of his blood is
second
>>hand. So Lestat is probably stronger than Eric, though younger.
Now he (Eric) is one I'd definitely like to learn more about!
BTW - Like a lot of others, I think Louis' strength has been underestimated!
Just my $.02 on a great topic!
--Deb--
MedelliaE
>I thought that in QotD it was actually Akasha who burned them -- she was
>standing nearby Khayman, which made him think at first that he was the one
>doing it, and this horrified him.
Khayman realized after awakening from his underground sleep that he could do
it. He practiced quite a bit on rats and the like.
>>However in Tale of the body Thief , Lestat has the power to do so
>to!!!!!!!
>
>I don't remember this in Tale (which I recently finished re-reading); can
>you be more specific (i.e., did he really burn anyone)?
>
I don't remember this either could you sight pages, etc.
>IMO -- Mekare is the "strongest" followed closely by Maharet and Khayman.
>Lestat probably falls next in line by virtue of how much of Akasha's blood
>he drank.
>
I agree with you Deb
>
>Is this completely accurate? I thought only Mekare ate both her brain and
>heart so that she would be the new "Queen".
Not completely, but twin blood is thicker than water. It appears that Mekare
is numero uno, but Maharet is the enforcer and resident Queen, at least for the
other immortals. In other words, you can find her.
>>>Eric was made by Maharet and is 1000 years old. All of his blood is
>second
>>>hand. So Lestat is probably stronger than Eric, though younger.
>
>Now he (Eric) is one I'd definitely like to learn more about!
I agree with Eric. Give me some of the unsung heroes - Khayman, Mael, Flavius,
Jesse, Santino and Gabrielle too.
>BTW - Like a lot of others, I think Louis' strength has been underestimated!
Louis is definitely not the type to brag about his powers. Is he the weakest
of those surviving immortals from Queen? Probably, but he is still very
strong. Actually, Gabrielle may be the weakest. She does not have any ancient
blood in her.
Just having fun.
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Laura Bryannan
In article <6h1pcb$da4$1...@news1.c2i.net>, "SAQ!" <mim...@c2i.net> wrote:
>well Lestat could burn anyone on sight and fly and survive the sun too.After
>QOD he didnt need blood either(but he wanted it)I dont think Maharet is any
>stronger tahn Khayman and since Khayman got these powres so late i think its
>afe to say that if these two are stronger than lestat its not by very
>much.Mekare migth be stronger than them both as she ate akashas vital parts!
>But what was gods and memnochs game?what did which one of them want to
>accomplish?i really cant figure it out?no wonder it made lestat comatose.
Memnoch made a whole section of Anne's reading public comatose,
not just Lestat! :-)
MedelliaE
>>But what was gods and memnochs game?what did which one of them want to
>>accomplish?i really cant figure it out?no wonder it made lestat comatose.
>
>Memnoch made a whole section of Anne's reading public comatose,
>not just Lestat! :-)
>
>
With Mennoch, Anne veered away from the horror genre to the
religious/mythological genre. More like Dante's Divine Comedy or
Milton'sParadise Lost. It did lose a lot of us. Or she was trying to expand
the horror genre/universe. It worked for some and not for others.
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Everend
Spirits are also dubbed as pathalogical liers.
Pendragwn wrote in message
<199804170257...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> When Maharet is telling her story in QOD she mentioned that the
spirits
>would make comments like "we remember when you were monkeys" and she said
the
>spirits were around since the begining of time. But in MTD the devil says
that
>all the spirits( like Amel) are from human souls. This doesn't add up to me
but
>who knows
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jeremiah
> Destroy roofs,
> walls,
> See in all the rooms at once
Pendragwn
Pendragwn
>
>Ive just remembered something which may help us compare the powers of
>Khayman and Lestat!
>If you recall, it was in QOD , when Khayman came back(after having buried
>himself) , that he discovered for the first time that he had the power to
>burn other immortals with mere thoughts!!!!!!!
When Khayman woke up he was in a state of confusion. He didn't even know his
name let alone that he could burst people into flames
Pendragwn
In article <3536d...@news.dakotacom.net>, "Everend" <eoth...@dakotacom.net>
writes:
>Spirits are also dubbed as pathalogical liers.
>
>
Yes, but how would they know
Star Child
water...@webtv.net
following the line that spiris are forgetful.my question is regarding
lasher...was he originally human in form?i haven't forgotten, just can't
remember.:)help
Lestat2442
>maharet and mekare are stronger??!!!!!!!!
>but it doesnt only have to do with the ancient blood
>it has do with the experiences and sufferings too
>remember qod , all of the others admitted they couldnt even begin to see the
>limits of lestats powers! after all he got more than enough of akashas
>blood!!!!!
>maybe just maybe the first brood was stronger than him but i doubt eric or
>marius were!!!!!!!
It is unlikely that even Maharet or Khayman are more powerful than Lestat.
Mekare, however, probably is, due to the fact that she consumed the flesh of
Akasha, and became the Queen of the Damned.
Lestat
water...@webtv.net
how did david and louis drag lestat off in chains?
he was vulnerable as he was in shock from losing an eye. afterall, he
didn't think such a horrible thing could occur to him of all persons.
MedelliaE
>following the line that spiris are forgetful.my question is regarding
>lasher...was he originally human in form?i haven't forgotten, just can't
>remember.:)help
Lasher was a Taltos an entirely new species. so yes he was in the flesh once,
but not human.
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MedelliaE
>It is unlikely that even Maharet or Khayman are more powerful than Lestat.
>Mekare, however, probably is, due to the fact that she consumed the flesh of
>Akasha, and became the Queen of the Damned.
>
Ah you Lestatians, the world revolves around Lestat.
E
Lestat2442
>Ah you Lestatians, the world revolves around Lestat.
Yes.... your point?
Lestat
MedelliaE
>>Ah you Lestatians, the world revolves around Lestat.
>
>Yes.... your point?
It's just so interesting that you can tell each scriber's favorite vampire by
the way they answer or comment here. Nothing wrong with that. Bet you can't
guess mine.
E
SAQ!
ill second that lestat
saq!
Lestat2442 wrote in message
<199804190152...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
>>maharet and mekare are stronger??!!!!!!!!
>>but it doesnt only have to do with the ancient blood
>>it has do with the experiences and sufferings too
>>remember qod , all of the others admitted they couldnt even begin to see
the
>>limits of lestats powers! after all he got more than enough of akashas
>>blood!!!!!
>>maybe just maybe the first brood was stronger than him but i doubt eric or
>>marius were!!!!!!!
>
SAQ!
i think he was in shock too, but definitely not from losing his eye, which
hed gotten back by the time anyway.he was in shock from the note maharet
gave her, cause he believed it had been god who had deceived him, and the
note said otherwise
saq!
water...@webtv.net wrote in message
<6hc1d8$gu7$1...@newsd-112.bryant.webtv.net>...
Lestat2442
>It's just so interesting that you can tell each scriber's favorite vampire by
>the way they answer or comment here. Nothing wrong with that. Bet you can't
>guess mine.
Well. Not someting I'm usually likey to wager at, but I'll make an exception.
I will guess Pandora or Gabrielle. If I could see a few more of your
responses, I could probably know for sure.
Lestat
MedelliaE
>Well. Not someting I'm usually likey to wager at, but I'll make an
>exception.
>I will guess Pandora or Gabrielle. If I could see a few more of your
>responses, I could probably know for sure.
Actually, since I was on vacation last week, I have been responding to
everything. But no Armand.
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Angel Cassiel
I don't think Lestat is nearly as powerful as the older ones. Power is
greatly determined by age, and drinking Akasha's blood hasn't made him so
great in power that he's surpassed the older ones.
MedelliaE <mede...@aol.com> wrote in article
<199804201315...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
MoebiusIII
>I don't think Lestat is nearly as powerful as the older ones. Power is
>greatly determined by age, and drinking Akasha's blood hasn't made him so
>great in power that he's surpassed the older ones.
>
>
I agree (besides, I like underdogs better)
^_^
Merrek
As far as I can remember he always had curly hair...