X-GAMES: Stupid & Corrupt?
bmxtrix
All the pros that were there- I've seen them all. HOW CAN ANYONE SAY THE
GAMES ARE CORRUPT? Judging a comp is perhaps one of the most difficult
things in the world to do. Why is it that everyone seems to bitch about who
gets what place EXCEPT the pros that are actually competing? It is weird to
think that YOU may know more than the pros themselves. Most are just
psyched to be there and are having fun... Why would there be a statement
about 'corruption'? Is there a REASON for this? Or are you just anti-Mirra
or anti-Meyer? There is a REASON why these guys have the big sponsorships
and $$$- They are un-freakin' believable!
L8R,
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matt cullin
are corrupt, with the amount espn makes on the games the winners prizes
are far too little. They are just exploiting the sport and I'm not
saying the winners don't deserve to win but just once they could
televise the runs of others than mirra, and tj lavin and such. The
games just aren't worth watching, say what you said to taj and see what
he says to you.
matt
bmxtrix
That doesn't make them corrupt. What makes them corrupt is SHIT happenning
at the contest and riders not having fun. RIDING has more money in it today
then ever before. You want there to be some set amount and ESPN giving out
all their cash and if they don't then the whole contest is corrupt? PLEASE!
Don't tell me I'm clueless on this. Taj may not like the events but that is
how he has fun... But ALL the riders at the X-Games are having fun. From
Trevor to Chad to Dave to McCoy... They are psyched to show up at a contest
and have everything built and in near perfect condition for them to ride...
Do you have a CLUE what it is like when you show up to ride a flatland
contest and find out that the ONLY flatland area is the middle of the street
course? Does that sound stupid and untrue? It's not- It was the first 5
years of the BS comps EVERY contest. That is lame. Do you think it is
corrupt that riders are making more than EVER before? It's not... Do you
think it's lame who is winning? The riders don't!
Don't call me clueless- I would love to see riders earn more and get what
they are TRUELY worth... But they aren't called the Pepsi Cola X-Games or
have a sponsor that has dumped 10 million dollars on them... There are also
about a dozen events that get 'pro' purses. But in the end freestyle IS
getting shafted... But CORRUPT? No- that has a different meaning. Every
rider is psyched by them and YOU aren't one of the ones competing in them to
be telling the world that it is just corrupt.
Riders feeling screwed over and the world agreeing with the riders in the
situation is corruption... YOU feeling like the riders are getting screwed
over is not. Dave made more last week then most of us will make this year.
It isn't much for pro atheletes... But is probably more than most pro
swimmers... or Kayakers... Those sports have been around a hell of a lot
longer. You can't compare golf, tennis, or basketball to freestyle... Just
not as many people do it. It is an 'alternative' sport and doesn't, no
matter WHAT you think draw the same $$$ as those sports do. Yes, it would
be nice... But that isn't the case this year- and probably never will be.
Taj has a VERY good line of thought but in the end he really isn't into
competitions. Taj likes to ride- Competitions are a little more serious
than what he wants. So he walks away from the 'serious' side of it all.
But HE isn't going to make money by avoiding the ESPN cameras... He will
just gain props with the 'serious' riders. That is awesome. But won't push
T1 into the mainstream. For Taj- that's exactly what he wants. Props to
him. But don't think that makes it all corrupt. That's just your opinion-
not a fact.
L8R,
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matt cullin wrote in message <3781704E...@epix.net>...
KiNgSBC
name isn't mentioned once. Ryan Nyquist is in 16th or so place. All the
announcers talk about is how nyquist is the future of the sport or how he's
going to make a comeback. Bagley isn't even shown riding. All of nyquist's runs
are televised. His final run he does one trick, a tailwhip. Somehow he moves up
13 spots and takes over 3rd. This did happen, and this proves that the xgames
are corrupt. Bagley is a great rider but doesn't get the coverage he deserves,
but nyquist "the fan favorite" gets more coverage than he can handle.
matt cullin
matt
matt cullin
kingSBC for your great example. I couldn't put it better. And bmxtrix
you write to much, you made the same point like 3 times. The reason flat
wasn't given its own lot was because it's boring as hell to watch unless
you appreciate how hard the tricks are. Would the american public
rather watch chad degroot doing decades or hoffman's return to the
ramp. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. What it really
comes down to is I am just sick of watching the "lesser known" riders
getting screwed out of a medal.
matt
bmxtrix
at the event? I heard that most riders were bailing out due to CRAZY wind
conditions. Jerry is awesome... But is Nyquist lame? Or are you just
against him because he has Haro behind him?
I hear so much shit about the 'team' riders that it's fucking ridiculous...
Meyer, Mirra, Miron, Bestwick, Farris, Nyquist... These are THE best riders
in contests that I have ever seen. The OTHER pros don't disagree or
argue... Why do you?
Don't get me wrong- judging can be sketchy at times. Sometimes VERY
sketchy. But that doesn't mean that they aren't trying to be fair. I DO
think they need new judges every year and the same judges need to go to ALL
the contests and that the Riders Coalition needs to monitor complaints about
judging.
But if you weren't at the X-Games... and Jerry's run wasn't televised...
How do you know that a solid tailwhip wasn't the winning factor? Judges are
riders. Not corporate yahoos. I KNOW I've seen Losey judging comps. He
knows what's up and what is difficult. I just don't think that you are
proving anything when you say that a certain rider is 'good'. You don't
ride the pro class unless you ARE good. You can't. You don't get to the
X-Games unless you are good. You CAN'T. (except Hoffman who cheated) There
are riders that don't care... But all the ones at the X-Games... they are
riding and having fun and DO NOT think it's corrupt. What ESPN televises?
Who cares? That may be totally corrupt... how much they pay the riders?
YES! Again totally lame. But the competition is ALL about fun- not
corruption... go to the BS comps next year and find out for yourself.
~P~
matt cullin
you know if they're having fun. You talk like you were there with the
riders having a good time. I do agree however with the point that
bagwells run wasn't televised so we don't know what he did , but come on
how did nyquist move from 13th or whatever to 3rd with a fuckin
tailwhip. I wish just once Taj would ride the x-games in like a white
T-shirt jeans and a raw bike and kick the shit out of the other riders.
I know he doesn't choose to but I wish he would. Are you like an
x-games executive or something because the bullshit you pump out is so
extensive. Listen maybe I am just so fuckin sick of going to the trails
and having the little new riders (who I have no problem with) talkin
about Dave Mirra and Tj Lavin they are the best blah blah blah, shut the
fuck up. I know they have to have role models but I just get sick of
hearing it, if espn televised some other riders the new riders might
realize how smooth someone else rode and try to ride like them. I know
this sounds incredibly stupid but if you were in my position you would
say the same. TRUST ME.
matt
Smiles
Go to a car show ... you'll hear the same thing.
Go to anything which is judging is subjective and ... you'll hear the same
thing.
My dentist had a 356 he brought new off the dealer floor ... lost a show
because the "wire harness was NOT stock" ... but was the same as what came
in the car when it was NEW. Hell and there you have time to analyze the
vehicle ... try figuring out a 1/4 second move to determine the score.
I would love to have it clean cut like BMX ... gate drops everyone goes
first one to the finish wins ... simple.
Corrupt ... maybe ... maybe not ... biased ... most likely. Big difference
between the two ... and both are difficult to prove. I will admit it seemed
strange Nyquist moved up so much on one jump. But since they did not show
the whole thing event ... who knows.
The broadcast is like the Olympics also ... the hottest gymnast may be
Russian ... but all we will see is the US members compete. Also, they are
showing highlights not the whole event start to finish.
KiNgSBC
advantage of popularity. How does someone move up 13 spots just because a
tailwhip?
bmxtrix
people there- Most riders weren't CLEARING the jumps because the conditions
were so bad. As well- if I remember correctly the dirt jumping is based on
the BEST jump- It isn't like flat, street, or vert which averages your
scores. You can just hit ONE trick and get first place if it is the trick
nobody else can do. I'm not saying that it was right or wrong... I'm just
saying that without us all sitting down and watching the video tapes of
EVERYONE'S runs... how can we know? All we know is that ESPN didn't show
it to us. Yeah- me... I could sit down and watch 3 or 4 hours of straight
flatland, street, vert, and dirt and enjoy. You probably could to. But the
rest of the world? HA! So we catch the 'popular' crap.
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KiNgSBC wrote in message <19990707160225...@ng-fq1.aol.com>...
bmxtrix
I missed an invite to the X-Games by 4 spots.... But for the most part I
know about 75% of the riders there and yes... they all have a good time.
Chad Degroot (team Haro) felt screwed over by the judging. But of course we
never saw his run. But yeah, the pros have fun even if they don't win. The
only ones that I've EVER heard really complain are the ones that get fucked
over by ESPN security or have an injury and can't ride as good as they want.
But the pros HAVE FUN. Read the articles that you find... let me know if
there are any that just say it is totally lame.
Taj thinks they are lame and that riders are underpaid... He doesn't
compete in them. There are riders that feel the same way and THEY don't
compete. But please don't call ME clueless on this. I know it is
frustrating to hear 'Mirra this and Mirra that...' all the time. But when
it came down to watching Mirra and Taj go head to head in Woodward, PA last
year... Mirra won- hands down. I talked to Taj afterwards and he was like
"Whatever, it was a fun contest. Mirra is just awesome." So yeah...
maybe it isn't the same for you and maybe you think it is lame. But it
would be so much cooler to just get a copy of the video of ALL the final
runs and see how people really did then judge for yourself- We just can't do
it from ESPN's crap on TV.
One of the biggest factors from someone like Mirra is that he does
everything... I'm not talking street, vert, and dirt... I mean on the
street course he hits EVERY line that most riders only are able to do one or
two of. You may see some of what other riders do... But if you get the
chance to go to an X-Trials event you will see what I mean. When Dave is on
and is flowing... people don't complain about him winning. But it would be
nice (I totally agree) to see more of other riders... and to see people
step up and beat him. But it isn't going to be easy. He didn't do it in
round 1 of the X-Trials though.
~P~
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matt cullin wrote in message <37836C98...@epix.net>...
SkaKing76
>But the pros HAVE FUN. Read the articles that you find... let me know if
>there are any that just say it is totally lame.
>Taj thinks they are lame and that riders are underpaid... He doesn't
>compete in them. There are riders that feel the same way and THEY don't
>compete.
In an issue of Ride from last summer, Jay Miron says the X Games suck, and
they're no fun... That was after last year's X Games (1998), yet he still came
back the next year (in vert, street and dirt!)...
- ante
matt cullin
whole lot more than me if you actually missed the x-games by only 4
spots. I do wish I could have seen all the runs though. Hopefully this
will put it to rest.
matt
Spaz69
great. its mostly a popularity contest is the way i see it. Dave mirra
probably gives head to all the judges before the contests to win his
little gold medals. i was watching one of the BS trials or xgames trials
not long ago and dave crashed on his first trick, got off the ramp,
didnt do his 2nd run and somehow got 1point less than a person who did
both runs? theres something wrong with that. another bad thing is the
respect flatland gets from espn. they hardly give the flatlanders any
money for getting a medal. whats with day smith's runs not being shown
either? last year they showed about 17seconds of one of his runs. is
espn racist or something? i heard a rumor that every year espn has been
wanting to take out flatland because noone really watches it on tv but
every year matt hoffman has to convince them to keep it on. ESPN has
made biking way too corporate. all these big companies are making tons
of money by paying riders to wear their sunglasses...etc. people see
them with the product and think they wear it and theyre cool, i'm going
to buy it. some riders i think ride for the money and not really the
fun. another boring X-games thing is that you rarely see people like
mirra pushing their abilities trying to land something that they've
never tryed before, so you see the same boring runs over and over.
well thats all i got to say to piss you guys off and so you'll write
back mean replys in support of such a stupid event.
Chaz
Street Guy
> The reason flat wasn't given its own lot was because it's boring as hell to watch unless
>you appreciate how hard the tricks are.
Well at alot of the public events were flatland is at there seems to be just as big a crowd watching the flatland.
> Would the american public
>rather watch chad degroot doing decades or hoffman's return to the
probably both
Robert Dooley
>>tailwhip?
>
Well, Nyquist had the best run of the day
and he did something like a x-up barspin before the tailwhip
bmxtrix
>i didnt watch them this year because to me the X-games aren't all that
>probably gives head to all the judges before the contests to win his
>little gold medals.
Dude- you know, I agree that ESPN fucks up a TON of stuff for the X-Games.
But people just seem to get their jollies off of dissin' Dave. NO riders
considered Dave the loser at the X-Games this year. Jay said that he was
irked because he knows that he (jay) should have ridden better and he
didn't. Jay said "Dave steps it up at the X-Games every year and it's just
impossible to beat him." Now yes, there are SO many lame things about how
ESPN does their stuff. But Dave wins for a reason. He is consistent over 4
minutes of vert and over 4 minutes of street. All of his stuff is big in
EVERY run. He probably goes higher on vert than most anyone but also bust
tricks like flairs INTO variations (Jay is the only other rider I've seen do
that... except (occasionally) McCoy). He also goes left or right on airs...
YOU try that. Nobody else is doing that so how do you even judge that?
It's so much more difficult! But here you are cutting him down like you
know he doesn't deserve it. ESPN is not judging the contests- they never
have. They just provide the LAME coverage. I think there are about 20
riders that get screwed over every contest by not getting the TV coverage
they deserve... But that isn't the contest. The contest (especially the
X-Games) is a week of the best pros getting together, riding, hanging out,
having fun and then having to actually compete for about ten minutes total.
It's not the contest that is lame- it's ESPN.
I don't think anything else you said was wrong. But Mirra is unreal. Did
you SEE his run in Louisville? Or did you just see what ESPN showed you?
Because FIRST you have to have the full story.
This isn't directed at anyone inparticular- but I am sick of people judging
the X-Games and contests on what they see on ESPN. Of course it looks lame.
ESPN is clueless on editing and how to show the sport properly. People are
making judgements because of TEN MINUTES of coverage from a class that takes
over an hour to run (street finals) (vert finals). HOW is that possible?
They don't even show THAT much because they have commercials and rerun the
cool parts two or three times. There are riders that are getting fourth
place that you don't even hear about. There are riders getting in the
middle of the pro pack that people haven't EVER heard of. For that matter
Ride didn't even have a SINGLE picture of flatland for their Richmond, VA
contest coverage. WHAT! Didn't flatland happen in Richmond? And we are
talking about ESPN being lame! No- go to a contest and you will understand
why the people that win- win. Mirra, when he is on wins. Nobody argues who
sees it all. Just the poeple that don't.
L8R,
~P~
Rideorelse
>watch unless
>>you appreciate how hard the tricks are.
A "live" dirt jumping contest is a lot more boring than flatland. If they
didn't cut out all of the cases, bails and the rest of the dead time no one
would watch it.
I'm not anti-dirt jumping or saying flat is better, they both take incredible
amount of skill. I'm not dissing trail riding either.
> Would the american public
>>rather watch chad degroot doing decades or hoffman's return to the
>ramp.
While the public probably doesn't want to watch flatland. I don't think they
really care about any of the events that much, they just watch it in passing
and ESPN knows it.
This ESPN stuff want last forever, but its good for the riders and other
athletes that are able to make a dollar off of it, I don't care who they are.
bmxman69
you forgot why those guys are at the X-Games, with the exception of
bmxtrix who had to reiterate his point about 20 times before anybody
got it.
They have fun!!! Sure, they fuck up and get in a pissy mood. If you ask
why they're going to blame it on anyone or anything besides themselves.
Most of the time a person won't blame himself if he/she was trying hard
and ate the big one. They will blame those judging as a way to get out
of it, regardless of the the guy still had fun trying or he wouldn't be
there.
And, what's this bullshit about the X-Games being fixed? I watched
almost the entire thing, I did miss flatland, as even though it's the
most difficult form of riding it sucks to watch. However, how can any
of you make stupid shit comments like that? YOU DON'T KNOW, most of you
weren't there in person to justify any of the shit you say. How do you
know if this rider or that hates the games? Because he told someone in
an interview? How do you know he wasn't just pissed about a bad run?
When Andy Mcdonald(did I get that right?) pulled a shit first run in
vert skating after watching bucky lassek and tony hawk get 1st and 2nd
he wasn't pissed, he went back and did it again only better.
Get a life, I'll take the easy way out and stick to BMX racing where
it's do or die. You either make the cut or you don't. Some bitching,
but it won't get you anywhere.
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bmxtrix
should clarify this as it is very misleading. What you saw on ESPN was
edited. You see Nyquist because Nyquist got thrird... Just like you saw
the winner (TJ Lavin) and the runner ups runs.
Now here's the rest of the scenario: DIRT- top 3 out of 4 scores are used.
Ryan eats it on his first run and gets a 50 or something crappy. He hits
his next two runs perfectly and does combos over both jumps which only a
couple of people were able to do (TJ included). So going into the fourth
run the people that had hit the first three runs or had already done all
four runs and had the low score dropped were way up in the rankings.
Especially those that had done all four runs because you were looking at
only their best 3 scores. Ryan was way back because he had the score from
his fall included.
His last trick: First set- a barspin to full x-up. Then he hit the
tailwhip on the second jump. This is BIGGER than TJ's first tailwhip that
helped him earn the win.
SOOOoooo..... Ryan's fall is thrown out (50 points) and the final combo (90
points) is used instead of the 50 point run. He this bumps his average
score up about 13 points and throws him ahead of a TON of riders. There was
nothing sketchy about this and comparing what TJ was scored and the others
that I saw Ryan was anything but given a free ride. In fact TJ's first
tailwhip, by itself was given an 88 but Ryans combo over two jumps was only
given a 90.
This doesn't justify Bagley from not getting coverage... That's just ESPN
BS. But it should help clarify things to those who think the statement
below WAS proof to corruption... The judges aren't from ESPN... They are
riders or ex-riders... Usually people that know what's up with the sport.
Matt Hoffman takes care of that end of things with the Riders Coalition- not
ESPN.
~P~
KiNgSBC wrote in message <19990706122429...@ng-cl1.aol.com>...
Steph
>probably gives head to all the judges before the contests to win his
>not long ago and dave crashed on his first trick, got off the ramp,
>didnt do his 2nd run and somehow got 1point less than a person who did
>both runs? theres something wrong with that. another bad thing is the
>respect flatland gets from espn. they hardly give the flatlanders any
>money for getting a medal. whats with day smith's runs not being shown
>either? last year they showed about 17seconds of one of his runs. is
>espn racist or something? i heard a rumor that every year espn has been
>wanting to take out flatland because noone really watches it on tv but
>every year matt hoffman has to convince them to keep it on. ESPN has
>made biking way too corporate. all these big companies are making tons
>of money by paying riders to wear their sunglasses...etc. people see
>them with the product and think they wear it and theyre cool, i'm going
>to buy it. some riders i think ride for the money and not really the
>fun. another boring X-games thing is that you rarely see people like
>mirra pushing their abilities trying to land something that they've
>never tryed before, so you see the same boring runs over and over.
>well thats all i got to say to piss you guys off and so you'll write
>back mean replys in support of such a stupid event.
>Chaz
I have some of the same feelings, every year it's the same group of guys that
we see on t.v. I think they should show more of it, not just the finals. I
enjoyed Tony Hawk's performance more than any bike events. He is so sexy to
me, but he isn't even cute, he's just so nice (just thought you should know
that)...Anyway, I'm back from Burmuda.
*STEPHANIE*
Steph
>points) is used instead of the 50 point run. He this bumps his average
>score up about 13 points and throws him ahead of a TON of riders. There was
>nothing sketchy about this and comparing what TJ was scored and the others
>that I saw Ryan was anything but given a free ride. In fact TJ's first
>tailwhip, by itself was given an 88 but Ryans combo over two jumps was only
>given a 90.
>
>
AHHhhh....Even I got it when I watched, people pay attention, they even
anounced it, they said ''Blah Blah, Ryan better hit it big blah blah so his
shitty score won't count against him'' wll not like that, but ,you know
*STEPHANIE*
bmxtrix
How do you judge people if not in comparison to others? I can do a HELL of
a backflip... I just can't pull it. Does that make me better than the guy
that CAN pull a one hander and land it? No...
This sounds so ridiculous... You say "When have the xgames been about
scoring one persons run based on another person's? For example John doe
eats shit on the big
stuff, so should jane doe get more points just because she cleared the
jump?" Which is EXACTLY how you judge people. Tailwhips are HARD. T.J.
got 90 points for doing ONE tailwhip in ONE run. Nyquist got 92 points for
doing a barspin to x-up then a BIGGER tailwhip than T.J.'s. That just makes
sense. The judges were being fair and paying attention. I'm not sure what
your saying because you aren't pointing out a rider that has done better or
deserved it more.
I was pointing out WHY Ryan jumped so many places in a single jump. It's
because he hit 2 out of 3 jumps and then when he hit 3 out of 4 jumps the
lowest score was dropped- his fall. Most riders were able to CLEAR the side
the Ryan jumped on... But very few were doing variations over both sets of
jumps. They were just jumping the first set and landing clean then trying
EASIER tricks than a tailwhip for their second jump. Ryan did tricks over
BOTH jumps and hit them clean. That's unreal compared to what most of the
others were doing. It is ALL about who clears what and does it cleanly and
with style. It's about who has it. Ryan does. Why do you have such a
personal thing about this? Ryan and Dave are both 'corporate' but they are
also INCREDIBLY good riders. Why is that a problem?
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KiNgSBC wrote in message <19990713201056...@ng-fe1.aol.com>...
>first of all i thought this little argument was all over, but since you
want to
>continue it, i will too. You keep mentioning that nyquist jumped the one
side
>that not many people made. When have the xgames been about scoring one
persons
>run based on another person's? For example John doe eats shit on the big
>stuff, so should jane doe get more points just because she cleared the
jump? in
>my opinion no. if a jump is hard, its hard. It doesn't matter if 1 person
out
>of 80 clears it. That one person shouldn't get extra points just because he
>cleared it. thats just bullshit.
KiNgSBC
Matt Giles
KiNgSBC <kin...@aol.com> wrote in message
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KiNgSBC
bmxtrix
TRY backflip tailwhips and DON'T pull them should score higher than people
that DO pull more basic tricks. That it really isn't SKILL that's important
but balls. I don't know you personally... but I do know that there are
VERY few pros that would agree that this is how they should be judged. It's
not a big trick comp... it's not a who has the biggest gonads comp... It's
who has SKILLS and can actually PULL tricks in contests. You may want to
follow the scoring closely at the event... The top guys were all scored on
style, difficulty, and ability and the judges were VERY consistent in their
judging.
If you have been trying to make a point then it was slightly missed... But
if you have a better explanation for what you mean and perhaps a good
example of someone getting screwed over on scoring then I would be happy to
hear it.
~P~
KiNgSBC wrote in message <19990714130349...@ng-fe1.aol.com>...
KiNgSBC
it. they shouldn't be scored any higher if someone else can't clear it. Now if
they cleared it so smooth that when they landed they didnt make one noise then
they should score it higher. Just like if someone wrecks trying a tailwhip, and
another person pulls one they shouldn't get more points just because the other
guy didnt pull it. They should only be judged on the way they pulled it. That's
what i was trying to get to before.
bmxtrix
whole idea of doing a jump is LANDING. It's not a 'who has the biggest
balls?' contest. It's a who actually has the skills to DO the tricks and
land it contest.
Sometimes contests do have a BIG TRICK comp. Like with vert skateboarding
and Tony Hawk's 900. But for every event- flatland, street, vert, dirt...
It's not what you try to do but what you actually land. So Nyquist didn't
TRY a tailwhip and eat crap... he PULLED a tailwhip.
Now don't take the judges wrong... There were riders that just landed a
little off and slid out on tricks or went for tough tricks that were
'almost' pulled and they were scored higher than those that landed 4 feet
behind the ramp. But lets face it... Paul Hogan (the announcer for ESPN)
got on a bike and did a back flip into a foam pit. If he had the balls he
could try it over the dirt doubles at the X-Games... He wouldn't pull it
and he sure as HELL doesn't deserve points like he can pull it.
Or even more extreme- if I enterred (which wouldn't happen cuz' I can't jump
to save my life) and I tried a tailwhip, backflip, 360 then I would probably
eat it and die... But people would know what I was going for... I wouldn't
think I deserved the win for that.
The playing field was equal there. Why should someone get the same points
when they didn't hit the landing? If you land smooth you DO get more
points... But when you wipe out...... you don't deserve it- it really is
as simple as that. A judge will just laugh if someone tells them that the
guy that TRIED impossible tricks should win. It's the guy that does them
that deserves it. Hence... TJ Lavin won.
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KiNgSBC wrote in message <19990715155818...@ng-co1.aol.com>...
Matt Giles
landing, and then someone does an easier trick but lands perfectly? Now
thats when the judges have to really judge.
Matt.
bmxtrix <bmx...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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bmxtrix
one of the X-Trials or the Burning Bike Festival to see some of these
riders. It really is tough for the judges because the guys that hang up on
landings and wipe DO get better scores than people that come up short. That
was the big problem in SF though... riders just were landing 4 feet short of
the lip and eating it. I think Brian Foster got second because of style
over tricks. He just brought some crazy lines and NOT as difficult tricks
but tons of style. If it was tricks then Ryan probably would have beaten
him... but that's why when you are there you gotta appreciate what the
judges do.
These guys are pros... a perfect landing is expected. But sometimes it's
tough. That day was one of those times. Probably easier than judging
flatland though.
L8R,
~P~
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Matt Giles wrote in message <3lBj3.3531$o45...@newreader.ukcore.bt.net>...
Brix
says...
> How about if someone does a real hard trick and pulls it with a sketchy
> landing, and then someone does an easier trick but lands perfectly? Now
> thats when the judges have to really judge.
> Matt.
When judging a contest I'd score it this way:
1. full points perfectly landed (mean tricks score big of course)
2. not full points when landed sketchy (fat jumps score big)
3. bailed - ZERO POINTS (hard tricks get zero too)
In this case a sketchy landed Backflip would still score bigger than a
perfect onehander.
And I'm sure good judges KNOW what they're judging. At least if there are
judges like Matt Hoffman, Ron Wilkerson, etc..
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