On Oct 29, 5:55 pm, kachina <a...@b.c> wrote:
> Hachiroku <anonym...@not-for-mail.invalid> said stuff on 29 Oct 2010:
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> > On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:09:43 +0000, kachina wrote:
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> >> Hachiroku <anonym...@not-for-mail.invalid> said stuff on 29 Oct 2010:
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> >>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 01:11:20 +0000, kachina wrote:
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> >>>> Hachiroku <anonym...@not-for-mail.invalid> said stuff on 28 Oct
> >>>> 2010:
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> >>>>> On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 19:13:18 +0000, kachina wrote:
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> >>>>>> pandora <
pand...@peak.org> said stuff on 28 Oct 2010:
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> >>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 05:45:16 +0000, kachina wrote:
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> >>>>>>>> Hachiroku <anonym...@not-for-mail.invalid> said stuff on 28 Oct
> >>>>>>>> 2010:
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> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 02:54:48 +0000, kachina wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>> Steampunk <
St...@head.com> said stuff on 26 Oct 2010:
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> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:49:47 +0000, kachina wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Steampunk <
St...@head.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>news:rPnwo.13319$V12....@newsfe05.iad:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 04:33:37 +0000, spooge wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steampunk <
St...@head.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:JI7wo.15106$li.1...@newsfe22.iad:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:08:37 -0400, Kali wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <HU6wo.11128$FM2.9...@newsfe16.iad>,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steampunk
St...@head.com says...
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 20:58:44 -0400, Kali wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > In article <i9q356$
m0...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Respondant exam...@example.invalid says...
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> pandora wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Would-be theocrats, Bill. You know, people like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Huckabee who want to replace the Constitution with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the Christian Bible, and less strikingly, people
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > like Hachoo and Punk who don't understand the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > principle of separation of church and state, where
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > it comes from, and why it should remain sacred in a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > democracy.
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who's a Theocrat? I'm a Constitutionalist, who thinks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Constitution should be pared down to it's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original intent, instead of all the piling-on that's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been done to it.
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pretending for a moment that you can interpret the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "intent", without the written arguments of its
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original authors explaining their intent: Which
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Constitution do you want to "pare down" to? The one
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that allows slavery? How about the one that prohibited
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sale of alcohol? Or the one that only allows white
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> men to vote? Which amendments would you pick and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose, Mr. Constitutionalist?
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are a non-thinking member of the Human Race, aren't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you? Your handlers will be pleased.
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet when you have been presented with a well
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasoned, educated question you are unable to respond
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except with an unintelligent non-answer.
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't bother with idiotic questions such as the one
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> presented. It's completely ludicrous. Let's see if one of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can tell me why.
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> because you are a poseur and an idiot who tries to pass
> >>>>>>>>>>>> itself off as superior, whilst failing miserably?
> >>>>>>>>>>> I was hoping at least one of you could have reasoned it out,
> >>>>>>>>>>> but the answer appears to have eluded all of you.
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> >>>>>>>>>>> There is only one Constitution, not 'versions'.
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> >>>>>>>>>>> I had hoped there would have been one person with the
> >>>>>>>>>>> ability to see that, but alas, I was sadly mistaken.
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> >>>>>>>>>> translation, "blah, blah, blah, you don't live up to my high
> >>>>>>>>>> expectations, blah."
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> >>>>>>>>>> nobody is required to play by your rules.
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> >>>>>>>>> And yet, you Liberals insist we play by yours.
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> >>>>>>>> why do you assume that i am a liberal? why do you lump all
> >>>>>>>> liberals into one group, as if all liberals agree on
> >>>>>>>> everything, and all have the same expectations?
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> >>>>>>>> why do you conservatives hang onto the 2-party system and the
> >>>>>>>> us-vs-you mentality? why do you prefer a system based on fear?
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> >>>>>>>> we are playing by the democrat rules for awhile. before that we
> >>>>>>>> were playing by the republican rules. it's all the same game,
> >>>>>>>> and the people writing the rules are the rich and powerful. the
> >>>>>>>> game is to keep us busy fighting liberals vs conservatives, so
> >>>>>>>> that we don't notice that it doesn't really matter, binky.
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> >>>>>>>> i do have to admit that the liberal rules do look less
> >>>>>>>> dishonorable than the conservative rules.
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> >>>>>>> I prefer the rules to be as few as possible AND to allow
> >>>>>>> freedoms for the largest numbers of people possible. I also
> >>>>>>> prefer rules that are progressive in nature and not regressive
> >>>>>>> as cons seem to prefer.
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> >>>>>> i like the rules to help as many as possible, to harm as few as
> >>>>>> possible, and to restrict as little as possible. i also prefer
> >>>>>> progressive to regressive. i prefer education to legislation.
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> >>>>> So, when it comes down to it, we're really not too far apart. Just
> >>>>> that you tend to the Liberal and I tend to the Conservative.
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> >>>>> When I take one of those on line 'tests', I come out to the right
> >>>>> of center and to the Libertarian. But I think a lot of the
> >>>>> Libertarians are k00ks...
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> >>>> i think we need to get rid of the whole system where money buys the
> >>>> election. fund it from the government, severely limit amounts, no
> >>>> donations, no buying votes. anybody who can get a certain number of
> >>>> names on a petition can run.
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> >>>> no political party system.
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> >>> Hmmmm. Interesting take. I think I would agree with that, except
> >>> that modern campaigns can run into hundreds of millions of dollars.
> >>> The deeper your pockets, the better the chances of being elected.
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> >>> There was an effort made to limit contributions, but of course, it
> >>> has loopholes. Even Obama made use of the loopholes during his
> >>> campaign. IIRC, it was McCain/Feingold? IIRC, McCain made use of the
> >>> loopholes himself.
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> >>> It is a pretty good idea, but there would have to be limits,
> >>> otherwise the Feds woud go broke funding some of these campaigns.
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> >>> There's also something I have mentioned in the past in the Toyota
> >>> group, and that is the cheerleading being done by the Media left. I
> >>> don't think Obama would have been elected without George
> >>> Stephanopolous, Cokey Roberts, David Gregory, Brian Williams, Katie
> >>> Couric, Meredith Viera, Matt Lauer, all of NPR, MSNBC, CNN,...
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> >> very strict limits, with the penalty for breaking the limits being
> >> eliminated from the election.
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> >> as to the rest, stop being stuck in the bipartisan system, sneezy.
> >> there is nothing that one side has done that the other side didn't
> >> do. ever. it's been going on a long time, just getting worse with
> >> time. as for the liberal media, sheesh, stay with some of my
> >> conservative southern relatives for a while, and you will realize
> >> that it is possible to only watch and listen to conservative media if
> >> you want.
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> >> i'm tired of the whining. it's broken. let's fix it.
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> > Any suggestions?
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> sure, spread the word. let's all leave the parties, start running write-
> in candidates, stop donating to political parties. vote your conscience,
> not the lesser of 2 evils, and speak out.
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Can we first reverse the recent supreme court ruling that allows
untracable corporate spending in elections?