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zeb...@windstream.net
May 26, 2022, 10:05:41 AM5/26/22
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The brainless evolution #5 vs DNA
If the complex DNA is coded information by random chance to build a
certain species, then what changed the code to produce a different
species? Random chance again? And a different species? Another random
chance? And another different species? More random chance? Etc, etc,
etc, etc....millions of times.
You don't see high brain power behind such codes? There is more to DNA
than just creating the species. Let's take a bird. (no it's not a
dinosaur) Not only does the DNA have to create the bird, but also its
habits.
For example, it builds nests. But not on the ground where predators
can get to it, but way up in trees. But the DNA also has to define a
tree, so it knows were to build its nest. Then the DNA has to tell it
how to build it and what it will look like.
All of this from mindless random chance? You decide.
Sincerely James
Are-last days we-last days in-last days?
See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org
If the complex DNA is coded information by random chance to build a
certain species, then what changed the code to produce a different
species? Random chance again? And a different species? Another random
chance? And another different species? More random chance? Etc, etc,
etc, etc....millions of times.
You don't see high brain power behind such codes? There is more to DNA
than just creating the species. Let's take a bird. (no it's not a
dinosaur) Not only does the DNA have to create the bird, but also its
habits.
For example, it builds nests. But not on the ground where predators
can get to it, but way up in trees. But the DNA also has to define a
tree, so it knows were to build its nest. Then the DNA has to tell it
how to build it and what it will look like.
All of this from mindless random chance? You decide.
Sincerely James
Are-last days we-last days in-last days?
See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org
servant
May 26, 2022, 3:11:47 PM5/26/22
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>
>If the complex DNA is coded information by random chance to build a
>certain species, then what changed the code to produce a different
>species? Random chance again? And a different species? Another random
>chance? And another different species? More random chance? Etc, etc,
>etc, etc....millions of times.
None of the above single event processes, that is astrawman view set up to
>If the complex DNA is coded information by random chance to build a
>certain species, then what changed the code to produce a different
>species? Random chance again? And a different species? Another random
>chance? And another different species? More random chance? Etc, etc,
>etc, etc....millions of times.
be refuted. Genetic changes are mutations,ie. copying errors of dna. The
mutations are random but are caused within a loose set of biological
factors that are always present and constantly cause biological differences
between individuals in a population.
These mutations happen at a constant rate and no single mutation results in
seperate species.
If the mutations over time . inhibit reproduction between two populations
or the populations are seperated to inhibit reproduction between them or
hybrids breed; then the sum of the mutations lead to a speciation event
where the populations go their seperat ways genetically over time.
This is not just a hypothetical model, it has been confirmed by observation
in nature:
Evolution: Watching Speciation Occur
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/evolution-watching-speciation-occur-observations/#sa_body
Lucifer
May 26, 2022, 6:49:43 PM5/26/22
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On Thu, 26 May 2022 10:05:38 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>The brainless evolution #5 vs DNA
>
>If the complex DNA is coded information by random chance to build a
>certain species, then what changed the code to produce a different
>species? Random chance again? And a different species? Another random
>chance? And another different species? More random chance? Etc, etc,
>etc, etc....millions of times.
>
>You don't see high brain power behind such codes? There is more to DNA
>than just creating the species. Let's take a bird. (no it's not a
>dinosaur) Not only does the DNA have to create the bird, but also its
>habits.
>
>For example, it builds nests. But not on the ground where predators
>can get to it, but way up in trees. But the DNA also has to define a
>tree, so it knows were to build its nest. Then the DNA has to tell it
>how to build it and what it will look like.
>
>All of this from mindless random chance? You decide.
Thou hypocrite. You use man made medicine probably derived
>The brainless evolution #5 vs DNA
>
>If the complex DNA is coded information by random chance to build a
>certain species, then what changed the code to produce a different
>species? Random chance again? And a different species? Another random
>chance? And another different species? More random chance? Etc, etc,
>etc, etc....millions of times.
>
>You don't see high brain power behind such codes? There is more to DNA
>than just creating the species. Let's take a bird. (no it's not a
>dinosaur) Not only does the DNA have to create the bird, but also its
>habits.
>
>For example, it builds nests. But not on the ground where predators
>can get to it, but way up in trees. But the DNA also has to define a
>tree, so it knows were to build its nest. Then the DNA has to tell it
>how to build it and what it will look like.
>
>All of this from mindless random chance? You decide.
using our knowledge of evolution to control your faulty brain
you claim was designed by an all knowing and caring God.
>Sincerely James
>Are-last days we-last days in-last days?
Why do your masters want you to filter everything through them?
zeb...@windstream.net
May 27, 2022, 6:18:18 AM5/27/22
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On 26 May 2022 19:11:45 GMT, servant wrote:
>>
>>If the complex DNA is coded information by random chance to build a
>>certain species, then what changed the code to produce a different
>>species? Random chance again? And a different species? Another random
>>chance? And another different species? More random chance? Etc, etc,
>>etc, etc....millions of times.
>
>None of the above single event processes, that is astrawman view set up to
>be refuted. Genetic changes are mutations,ie. copying errors of dna. The
>mutations are random but are caused within a loose set of biological
>factors that are always present and constantly cause biological differences
>between individuals in a population.
As a general rule, mutations are a negative factor. Its like going 1
>>
>>If the complex DNA is coded information by random chance to build a
>>certain species, then what changed the code to produce a different
>>species? Random chance again? And a different species? Another random
>>chance? And another different species? More random chance? Etc, etc,
>>etc, etc....millions of times.
>
>None of the above single event processes, that is astrawman view set up to
>be refuted. Genetic changes are mutations,ie. copying errors of dna. The
>mutations are random but are caused within a loose set of biological
>factors that are always present and constantly cause biological differences
>between individuals in a population.
step forward, and 2 steps backward. There had to have been thousands
and thousands of mutations to produce all the life forms today. But
for the most part, the life forms are complete; they have all they
eyes and legs etc.
The fruit fly experiments showed that mutated flies died off before
reaching maturation. The fruit fly was Drosophila melanogaster. And
since 1900 they were bombared with X-rays which produced many
mutations. But they were still always flies. they didn't turn into a
different species.
When the mutant flies were mated with other mutant flies, after
several generations, NORMAL flies started coming out. They were
survivors over the weaker mutant flies, thus reverting back to its
original non-mutant form.
Even way back, "Scientific American" said concerning DNA, that damaged
DNA is changed back "by enzymes that continually repair”. Also, "“In
particular, significant damage to DNA molecules can induce an
emergency response in which increased quantities of the repair enzymes
are synthesized. (Scientific American, “Inducible Repair of DNA,” by
Paul Howard-Flanders, November 1981, p. 72.)
Sincerely James
The Bible and Covid deaths
servant
May 27, 2022, 10:48:55 AM5/27/22
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Friend james mentions the obvious, if a copy change in dna inhibits
reproduction then it will not persist in a population; so speciation is not
possible . But alas that well known point does not represent the many dna
mutations in dna copies his very body contains at this very second. Only a
minority of standard constantly dna copy mistakes result in
inhibiting reproduction.
Likewise some dna copy mistakes provide no reproductive advantage in a
population. In which chase those with that dna difference will not persist
over time relative to those without the copy mistake.
Friend james needs to learn the entire story not just the jw vatican
spoonfed edited limited science on the topic. That is the source of the
copy paste bits below. Â
But alas, he is prohibited by the jw vatican to do the simple search on the
web for sources that soundly refute the examples below, they are only a
smaall part of the story for the vast number of normal ongoing dna copy
changes; but the jw vatican pick and choose practices hides the real
science on the topic.
zeb...@windstream.net
May 29, 2022, 6:56:50 PM5/29/22
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On 27 May 2022 14:48:53 GMT, servant wrote:
>
>Friend james mentions the obvious, if a copy change in dna inhibits
>reproduction then it will not persist in a population; so speciation is not
>possible . But alas that well known point does not represent the many dna
>mutations in dna copies his very body contains at this very second. Only a
>minority of standard constantly dna copy mistakes result in
>inhibiting reproduction.
>
>Likewise some dna copy mistakes provide no reproductive advantage in a
>population. In which chase those with that dna difference will not persist
>over time relative to those without the copy mistake.
>
>Friend james needs to learn the entire story not just the jw vatican
>spoonfed edited limited science on the topic. That is the source of the
>copy paste bits below. Â
>
>But alas, he is prohibited by the jw vatican to do the simple search on the
>web for sources that soundly refute the examples below, they are only a
>smaall part of the story for the vast number of normal ongoing dna copy
>changes; but the jw vatican pick and choose practices hides the real
>science on the topic.
Looks like you ate a big baloney sandwich. You need to investigate
>
>Friend james mentions the obvious, if a copy change in dna inhibits
>reproduction then it will not persist in a population; so speciation is not
>possible . But alas that well known point does not represent the many dna
>mutations in dna copies his very body contains at this very second. Only a
>minority of standard constantly dna copy mistakes result in
>inhibiting reproduction.
>
>Likewise some dna copy mistakes provide no reproductive advantage in a
>population. In which chase those with that dna difference will not persist
>over time relative to those without the copy mistake.
>
>Friend james needs to learn the entire story not just the jw vatican
>spoonfed edited limited science on the topic. That is the source of the
>copy paste bits below. Â
>
>But alas, he is prohibited by the jw vatican to do the simple search on the
>web for sources that soundly refute the examples below, they are only a
>smaall part of the story for the vast number of normal ongoing dna copy
>changes; but the jw vatican pick and choose practices hides the real
>science on the topic.
before you instigate.
Go to the JW web page. There you will find the true statements on your
subjects.
servant
May 30, 2022, 11:22:02 AM5/30/22
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A practice of only allowing part of the entire science just comes down to
flat out lying and deception.
Btw, friend james has at least a trillion mutations as he writes and some
130 dna copying errors. He is a typical example of what he claims doesn't
exist,ie. genetic and biological changes over time.
I would be happy to post links with the entire story, but friend james is
prohibited reading them, only the jw vatican edited story and therefore
deceptions are allowed.
flat out lying and deception.
Btw, friend james has at least a trillion mutations as he writes and some
130 dna copying errors. He is a typical example of what he claims doesn't
exist,ie. genetic and biological changes over time.
I would be happy to post links with the entire story, but friend james is
prohibited reading them, only the jw vatican edited story and therefore
deceptions are allowed.
zeb...@windstream.net
May 31, 2022, 7:39:25 AM5/31/22
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the real truth of the matter, one who is a JW or one who is not?
servant
May 31, 2022, 11:33:10 AM5/31/22
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Regarding the jw vatican pick and choosing *only* info to present their
take on some subject in biology:
>>A practice of only allowing part of the entire science just comes down to
>>flat out lying and deception.
>>
>>Btw, friend james has at least a trillion mutations as he writes and some
>>130 dna copying errors. He is a typical example of what he claims doesn't
>>exist,ie. genetic and biological changes over time.
>>
>>I would be happy to post links with the entire story, but friend james is
>>prohibited reading them, only the jw vatican edited story and therefore
>>deceptions are allowed.
>
Friend james then proceeds to confirm the above:
know? Because the jw vatican tells him so.
Friend james will you agree here and now to read info on the entire matter
of dna changes over time and how it resultss in producing different
biological features in different populations of the same species?
take on some subject in biology:
>>A practice of only allowing part of the entire science just comes down to
>>flat out lying and deception.
>>
>>Btw, friend james has at least a trillion mutations as he writes and some
>>130 dna copying errors. He is a typical example of what he claims doesn't
>>exist,ie. genetic and biological changes over time.
>>
>>I would be happy to post links with the entire story, but friend james is
>>prohibited reading them, only the jw vatican edited story and therefore
>>deceptions are allowed.
>
>Concerning the JW's, happily what you say is not true. Who should know
>the real truth of the matter, one who is a JW or one who is not?
Interpretation, *only* the jw vatican has the truth. How does friend james
>the real truth of the matter, one who is a JW or one who is not?
know? Because the jw vatican tells him so.
Friend james will you agree here and now to read info on the entire matter
of dna changes over time and how it resultss in producing different
biological features in different populations of the same species?
Lucifer
May 31, 2022, 8:16:02 PM5/31/22
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On Tue, 31 May 2022 07:39:19 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>On 30 May 2022 15:22:00 GMT, servant wrote:
>
>>A practice of only allowing part of the entire science just comes down to
>>flat out lying and deception.
>>
>>Btw, friend james has at least a trillion mutations as he writes and some
>>130 dna copying errors. He is a typical example of what he claims doesn't
>>exist,ie. genetic and biological changes over time.
>>
>>I would be happy to post links with the entire story, but friend james is
>>prohibited reading them, only the jw vatican edited story and therefore
>>deceptions are allowed.
>
>Concerning the JW's, happily what you say is not true. Who should know
>the real truth of the matter, one who is a JW or one who is not?
The real truth of the matter can only be known by those who are
>On 30 May 2022 15:22:00 GMT, servant wrote:
>
>>A practice of only allowing part of the entire science just comes down to
>>flat out lying and deception.
>>
>>Btw, friend james has at least a trillion mutations as he writes and some
>>130 dna copying errors. He is a typical example of what he claims doesn't
>>exist,ie. genetic and biological changes over time.
>>
>>I would be happy to post links with the entire story, but friend james is
>>prohibited reading them, only the jw vatican edited story and therefore
>>deceptions are allowed.
>
>Concerning the JW's, happily what you say is not true. Who should know
>the real truth of the matter, one who is a JW or one who is not?
not at all religious.
tesla sTinker
May 31, 2022, 8:26:35 PM5/31/22
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On 5/26/2022 3:49 PM, Lucifer scribbled:
your all done Lucifer. When you are in the deepest pits of hell, enjoy
your misfortune. but in all honesty, i don't believe its possible
tesla sTinker
May 31, 2022, 8:43:10 PM5/31/22
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On 5/26/2022 3:49 PM, Lucifer scribbled:
fact, because they ignore the part of the real Bible, that says, its not
all in here. Which means, they dont know shit.
zeb...@windstream.net
Jun 1, 2022, 5:51:54 PM6/1/22
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On Tue, 31 May 2022 18:26:49 -0700, tesla sTinker
<seav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>On 5/26/2022 3:49 PM, Lucifer scribbled:
>> On Thu, 26 May 2022 10:05:38 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>> The brainless evolution #5 vs DNA
>>>
>>> If the complex DNA is coded information by random chance to build a
>>> certain species, then what changed the code to produce a different
>>> species? Random chance again? And a different species? Another random
>>> chance? And another different species? More random chance? Etc, etc,
>>> etc, etc....millions of times.
>>>
>>> You don't see high brain power behind such codes? There is more to DNA
>>> than just creating the species. Let's take a bird. (no it's not a
>>> dinosaur) Not only does the DNA have to create the bird, but also its
>>> habits.
>>>
>>> For example, it builds nests. But not on the ground where predators
>>> can get to it, but way up in trees. But the DNA also has to define a
>>> tree, so it knows were to build its nest. Then the DNA has to tell it
>>> how to build it and what it will look like.
>>>
>>> All of this from mindless random chance? You decide.
>>
>> Thou hypocrite. You use man made medicine probably derived
>> using our knowledge of evolution to control your faulty brain
>> you claim was designed by an all knowing and caring God.
A lot of medicine comes from plants. So its not all man-made.
<seav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>On 5/26/2022 3:49 PM, Lucifer scribbled:
>> On Thu, 26 May 2022 10:05:38 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>> The brainless evolution #5 vs DNA
>>>
>>> If the complex DNA is coded information by random chance to build a
>>> certain species, then what changed the code to produce a different
>>> species? Random chance again? And a different species? Another random
>>> chance? And another different species? More random chance? Etc, etc,
>>> etc, etc....millions of times.
>>>
>>> You don't see high brain power behind such codes? There is more to DNA
>>> than just creating the species. Let's take a bird. (no it's not a
>>> dinosaur) Not only does the DNA have to create the bird, but also its
>>> habits.
>>>
>>> For example, it builds nests. But not on the ground where predators
>>> can get to it, but way up in trees. But the DNA also has to define a
>>> tree, so it knows were to build its nest. Then the DNA has to tell it
>>> how to build it and what it will look like.
>>>
>>> All of this from mindless random chance? You decide.
>>
>> Thou hypocrite. You use man made medicine probably derived
>> using our knowledge of evolution to control your faulty brain
>> you claim was designed by an all knowing and caring God.
>>
>>> Sincerely James
>>> Are-last days we-last days in-last days?
>>
>> That makes no sense.
Only to senseless ones.
>>> Sincerely James
>>> Are-last days we-last days in-last days?
>>
>> That makes no sense.
>>
>>> See what the Bible says
>>> At www.jw.org or jw.org
>>
>> Why do your masters want you to filter everything through them?
>go to hell devil. God has no such kind as you in His holy Heaven.
>your all done Lucifer. When you are in the deepest pits of hell, enjoy
>your misfortune. but in all honesty, i don't believe its possible
your comments. Hebrew word for hell is "sheol". Greek word for hell is
"hades". Look them up.
Sincerely James
The Bible and Covid deaths
zeb...@windstream.net
Jun 1, 2022, 9:09:43 PM6/1/22
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On 31 May 2022 15:33:08 GMT, servant wrote:
>Regarding the jw vatican pick and choosing *only* info to present their
>take on some subject in biology:
>
>
>>>A practice of only allowing part of the entire science just comes down to
>>>flat out lying and deception.
>>>
>>>Btw, friend james has at least a trillion mutations as he writes and some
>>>130 dna copying errors. He is a typical example of what he claims doesn't
>>>exist,ie. genetic and biological changes over time.
>>>
>>>I would be happy to post links with the entire story, but friend james is
>>>prohibited reading them, only the jw vatican edited story and therefore
>>>deceptions are allowed.
You left out how the jw vatican will shoot us at sunrise if we even
>Regarding the jw vatican pick and choosing *only* info to present their
>take on some subject in biology:
>
>
>>>A practice of only allowing part of the entire science just comes down to
>>>flat out lying and deception.
>>>
>>>Btw, friend james has at least a trillion mutations as he writes and some
>>>130 dna copying errors. He is a typical example of what he claims doesn't
>>>exist,ie. genetic and biological changes over time.
>>>
>>>I would be happy to post links with the entire story, but friend james is
>>>prohibited reading them, only the jw vatican edited story and therefore
>>>deceptions are allowed.
read the newspaper.
>>
>
>Friend james then proceeds to confirm the above:
>>Concerning the JW's, happily what you say is not true. Who should know
>>the real truth of the matter, one who is a JW or one who is not?
>
>Interpretation, *only* the jw vatican has the truth. How does friend james
>know? Because the jw vatican tells him so.
>
>Friend james will you agree here and now to read info on the entire matter
>of dna changes over time and how it resultss in producing different
>biological features in different populations of the same species?
different lifeform. Scientists see apes and humans and conclude they
are related, esp since the DNA of both are close to the same. But
can't the Creator create similar looking life forms? Car manufacturers
may create different models, but that doesn't mean that one came from
the other.
Lucifer
Jun 2, 2022, 7:05:50 AM6/2/22
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On Wed, 01 Jun 2022 17:51:50 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>On Tue, 31 May 2022 18:26:49 -0700, tesla sTinker
><seav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>On 5/26/2022 3:49 PM, Lucifer scribbled:
That's not true.
>On Tue, 31 May 2022 18:26:49 -0700, tesla sTinker
><seav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>On 5/26/2022 3:49 PM, Lucifer scribbled:
>>> On Thu, 26 May 2022 10:05:38 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> The brainless evolution #5 vs DNA
>>>>
>>>> If the complex DNA is coded information by random chance to build a
>>>> certain species, then what changed the code to produce a different
>>>> species? Random chance again? And a different species? Another random
>>>> chance? And another different species? More random chance? Etc, etc,
>>>> etc, etc....millions of times.
>>>>
>>>> You don't see high brain power behind such codes? There is more to DNA
>>>> than just creating the species. Let's take a bird. (no it's not a
>>>> dinosaur) Not only does the DNA have to create the bird, but also its
>>>> habits.
>>>>
>>>> For example, it builds nests. But not on the ground where predators
>>>> can get to it, but way up in trees. But the DNA also has to define a
>>>> tree, so it knows were to build its nest. Then the DNA has to tell it
>>>> how to build it and what it will look like.
>>>>
>>>> All of this from mindless random chance? You decide.
>>>
>>> Thou hypocrite. You use man made medicine probably derived
>>> using our knowledge of evolution to control your faulty brain
>>> you claim was designed by an all knowing and caring God.
>
>A lot of medicine comes from plants. So its not all man-made.
process.
>>>> Sincerely James
>>>> Are-last days we-last days in-last days?
>>>
>>> That makes no sense.
>
>Only to senseless ones.
>>>> See what the Bible says
>>>> At www.jw.org or jw.org
>>>
>>> Why do your masters want you to filter everything through them?
>>go to hell devil. God has no such kind as you in His holy Heaven.
>>your all done Lucifer.
>>When you are in the deepest pits of hell, enjoy
>>your misfortune. but in all honesty, i don't believe its possible
>
>If you really knew what the Bible hell was, you would have to reword
>your comments. Hebrew word for hell is "sheol". Greek word for hell is
>"hades". Look them up.
zeb...@windstream.net
Jun 5, 2022, 3:19:53 PM6/5/22
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imperfect bodies, that need medicinal help at times.
>
>>>>> Sincerely James
>>>>> Are-last days we-last days in-last days?
>>>>
>>>> That makes no sense.
>>
>>Only to senseless ones.
>
>What does "Are-last days we-last days in-last days" mean?
>
>>>>> See what the Bible says
>>>>> At www.jw.org or jw.org
>>>>
>>>> Why do your masters want you to filter everything through them?
>>>go to hell devil. God has no such kind as you in His holy Heaven.
>>>your all done Lucifer.
>
>Is what?
>
>>>When you are in the deepest pits of hell, enjoy
>>>your misfortune. but in all honesty, i don't believe its possible
>>
>>If you really knew what the Bible hell was, you would have to reword
>>your comments. Hebrew word for hell is "sheol". Greek word for hell is
>>"hades". Look them up.
>
>The bible talks about a lake of fire.
into that alleged literal fire. That should show you right there that
it is not literal:
-- Revised Standard
Revelation 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of
fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire;
That same verse even tells you what it represents: "the second death".
Sincerely James
war & starvation
zeb...@windstream.net
Jun 5, 2022, 3:26:06 PM6/5/22
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At times, He does not want to know things, such as the atrocities
going on in Sodom and Gomorrah.
JW's ignore no part of the Bible. If something is in the Bible, JW's
as a whole, know about it.
Sincerely James
war & starvation
Lucifer
Jun 5, 2022, 4:53:49 PM6/5/22
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>>What does "Are-last days we-last days in-last days" mean?
>
>It is coded in a question. Are we in (the) last days?
>
>>>>> Why do your masters want you to filter everything through them?
>>>>go to hell devil. God has no such kind as you in His holy Heaven.
>>>>your all done Lucifer.
>>
>>Is what?
>
>I (James) did not write that.
>
>>
>>>>When you are in the deepest pits of hell, enjoy
>>>>your misfortune. but in all honesty, i don't believe its possible
>>>
>>>If you really knew what the Bible hell was, you would have to reword
>>>your comments. Hebrew word for hell is "sheol". Greek word for hell is
>>>"hades". Look them up.
>>
>>The bible talks about a lake of fire.
>
>Yes, a SYMBOLIC lake of fire. For proof, know that DEATH is tossed
>into that alleged literal fire. That should show you right there that
>it is not literal:
>
>-- Revised Standard
>Revelation 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of
>fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire;
>
>That same verse even tells you what it represents: "the second death".
The whole supernatural thing is symbolic.
>>>>go to hell devil. God has no such kind as you in His holy Heaven.
>>>>your all done Lucifer.
>>
>>Is what?
>
>I (James) did not write that.
>
>>
>>>>When you are in the deepest pits of hell, enjoy
>>>>your misfortune. but in all honesty, i don't believe its possible
>>>
>>>If you really knew what the Bible hell was, you would have to reword
>>>your comments. Hebrew word for hell is "sheol". Greek word for hell is
>>>"hades". Look them up.
>>
>>The bible talks about a lake of fire.
>
>Yes, a SYMBOLIC lake of fire. For proof, know that DEATH is tossed
>into that alleged literal fire. That should show you right there that
>it is not literal:
>
>-- Revised Standard
>Revelation 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of
>fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire;
>
>That same verse even tells you what it represents: "the second death".
>Sincerely James
zeb...@windstream.net
Jun 7, 2022, 11:12:30 AM6/7/22
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On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 06:53:45 +1000, Lucifer
The "almighty caring creator" thing won't start until God's day
arrives. He has set a time for judgment. That time is shortly to come.
He won't fully repair human affairs till then. Until then you will
just have to put up with babies dying, people torturing others,
murders, thieves, and so forth.
arrives. He has set a time for judgment. That time is shortly to come.
He won't fully repair human affairs till then. Until then you will
just have to put up with babies dying, people torturing others,
murders, thieves, and so forth.
>
>>>What does "Are-last days we-last days in-last days" mean?
>>
>>It is coded in a question. Are we in (the) last days?
>>
>>>>>> Why do your masters want you to filter everything through them?
>>>>>go to hell devil. God has no such kind as you in His holy Heaven.
>>>>>your all done Lucifer.
>>>
>>>Is what?
>>
>>I (James) did not write that.
>>
>>>
>>>>>When you are in the deepest pits of hell, enjoy
>>>>>your misfortune. but in all honesty, i don't believe its possible
>>>>
>>>>If you really knew what the Bible hell was, you would have to reword
>>>>your comments. Hebrew word for hell is "sheol". Greek word for hell is
>>>>"hades". Look them up.
>>>
>>>The bible talks about a lake of fire.
>>
>>Yes, a SYMBOLIC lake of fire. For proof, know that DEATH is tossed
>>into that alleged literal fire. That should show you right there that
>>it is not literal:
>>
>>-- Revised Standard
>>Revelation 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of
>>fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire;
>>
>>That same verse even tells you what it represents: "the second death".
>
>The whole supernatural thing is symbolic.
And your proof?
>>>What does "Are-last days we-last days in-last days" mean?
>>
>>It is coded in a question. Are we in (the) last days?
>>
>>>>>> Why do your masters want you to filter everything through them?
>>>>>go to hell devil. God has no such kind as you in His holy Heaven.
>>>>>your all done Lucifer.
>>>
>>>Is what?
>>
>>I (James) did not write that.
>>
>>>
>>>>>When you are in the deepest pits of hell, enjoy
>>>>>your misfortune. but in all honesty, i don't believe its possible
>>>>
>>>>If you really knew what the Bible hell was, you would have to reword
>>>>your comments. Hebrew word for hell is "sheol". Greek word for hell is
>>>>"hades". Look them up.
>>>
>>>The bible talks about a lake of fire.
>>
>>Yes, a SYMBOLIC lake of fire. For proof, know that DEATH is tossed
>>into that alleged literal fire. That should show you right there that
>>it is not literal:
>>
>>-- Revised Standard
>>Revelation 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of
>>fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire;
>>
>>That same verse even tells you what it represents: "the second death".
>
>The whole supernatural thing is symbolic.
Lucifer
Jun 7, 2022, 8:49:28 PM6/7/22
to
You appear to be saying God has never cared about us.
>He has set a time for judgment. That time is shortly to come.
>He won't fully repair human affairs till then.
>Until then you will
>just have to put up with babies dying, people torturing others,
>murders, thieves, and so forth.
>>>>The bible talks about a lake of fire.
>>>
>>>Yes, a SYMBOLIC lake of fire. For proof, know that DEATH is tossed
>>>into that alleged literal fire. That should show you right there that
>>>it is not literal:
>>>
>>>-- Revised Standard
>>>Revelation 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of
>>>fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire;
>>>
>>>That same verse even tells you what it represents: "the second death".
>>
>>The whole supernatural thing is symbolic.
>
>And your proof?
Believers can't agree on what God is like.
The state of the world is proof the God described in the bible
does not exist.
>Sincerely James
zeb...@windstream.net
Jun 9, 2022, 6:10:31 PM6/9/22
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On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 10:49:22 +1000, Lucifer
You have a tendency for extremism. If I say 1 person, you say 1000.
(see right below) Satan had accused people of serving God only because
God gave them things and protected them. God is letting things go at
random now, so Satan can see that people in bad situations still
worship God. Thus proving Satan the liar that he is. When this issue
is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make all things right
again.
>You appear to be saying God has never cared about us.
That is your extremism working again. A quick look in Genesis and
other OT books shows how God cared for His servants in the past. But
wicked ones He punished.
>
>>He has set a time for judgment. That time is shortly to come.
>
>What would you expect God to do following his judgment?
Make this earth a paradise. Provide for all the needs of God's
servants. Make every day a pleasure to look forward to.
>
>>He won't fully repair human affairs till then.
>
>How will God repair human affairs?
He will replace all of man's weak governments with His powerful
kingdom government. He will remove ALL imperfections from our flesh
and mind. He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
will eliminate death. All humans that survive His judgments can live
forever under perfect conditions.
>
>>Until then you will
>>just have to put up with babies dying, people torturing others,
>>murders, thieves, and so forth.
>
>It's rather like we don't have a God at all.
Only if you don't believe in Him. For those with true belief, they can
lay their problems on Him. And He is a central part of their lives. To
them, He is a God holding back all the best things, for just the right
time, so that eternity will be peaceful and harmonious.
>
>>>>>The bible talks about a lake of fire.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, a SYMBOLIC lake of fire. For proof, know that DEATH is tossed
>>>>into that alleged literal fire. That should show you right there that
>>>>it is not literal:
>>>>
>>>>-- Revised Standard
>>>>Revelation 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of
>>>>fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire;
>>>>
>>>>That same verse even tells you what it represents: "the second death".
>>>
>>>The whole supernatural thing is symbolic.
>>
>>And your proof?
>
>There is no(0) evidence of a supernatural world.
Well, perhaps not to you. For those that have seen or experienced
'ghosts', they have taken a small bite out of that supernatural world.
I believe also that UFO's has its source in that supernatural world.
But so-called ghosts aren't really dead humans, and UFO's are really
not aliens from other planets etc, but they all are demons, trying to
trick us into disobeying God.
Why do you read about UFO occupants experimenting on people's sex
organs etc. That is what they did back in Genesis. That is their
desires.
As for ghosts, why do they pretend to be dead humans? Because the
Bible says the dead are not conscious of anything: Jesus referred to
them as being asleep. (read the account about Lazarus)
(Psalm 146:3, 4) Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man,
who cannot bring salvation. 4 His spirit goes out, he returns to the
ground; On that very day his thoughts perish.
>Believers can't agree on what God is like.
If they read their Bible, they would see. If you mean 'physically', He
is a spirit being. (John 4:23,24) And in the Bible there is a ton of
information about His personality such as His love, justice, wisdom,
and power, etc.
>The state of the world is proof the God described in the bible
>does not exist
That is because you have closed the door a locked it against all Bible
truths. Try to open the door a crack, and see what happens. :>)
Sincerely James
mass shootings at schools
(see right below) Satan had accused people of serving God only because
God gave them things and protected them. God is letting things go at
random now, so Satan can see that people in bad situations still
worship God. Thus proving Satan the liar that he is. When this issue
is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make all things right
again.
>You appear to be saying God has never cared about us.
other OT books shows how God cared for His servants in the past. But
wicked ones He punished.
>
>>He has set a time for judgment. That time is shortly to come.
>
>What would you expect God to do following his judgment?
servants. Make every day a pleasure to look forward to.
>
>>He won't fully repair human affairs till then.
>
>How will God repair human affairs?
kingdom government. He will remove ALL imperfections from our flesh
and mind. He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
will eliminate death. All humans that survive His judgments can live
forever under perfect conditions.
>
>>Until then you will
>>just have to put up with babies dying, people torturing others,
>>murders, thieves, and so forth.
>
>It's rather like we don't have a God at all.
lay their problems on Him. And He is a central part of their lives. To
them, He is a God holding back all the best things, for just the right
time, so that eternity will be peaceful and harmonious.
>
>>>>>The bible talks about a lake of fire.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, a SYMBOLIC lake of fire. For proof, know that DEATH is tossed
>>>>into that alleged literal fire. That should show you right there that
>>>>it is not literal:
>>>>
>>>>-- Revised Standard
>>>>Revelation 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of
>>>>fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire;
>>>>
>>>>That same verse even tells you what it represents: "the second death".
>>>
>>>The whole supernatural thing is symbolic.
>>
>>And your proof?
>
>There is no(0) evidence of a supernatural world.
'ghosts', they have taken a small bite out of that supernatural world.
I believe also that UFO's has its source in that supernatural world.
But so-called ghosts aren't really dead humans, and UFO's are really
not aliens from other planets etc, but they all are demons, trying to
trick us into disobeying God.
Why do you read about UFO occupants experimenting on people's sex
organs etc. That is what they did back in Genesis. That is their
desires.
As for ghosts, why do they pretend to be dead humans? Because the
Bible says the dead are not conscious of anything: Jesus referred to
them as being asleep. (read the account about Lazarus)
(Psalm 146:3, 4) Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man,
who cannot bring salvation. 4 His spirit goes out, he returns to the
ground; On that very day his thoughts perish.
>Believers can't agree on what God is like.
is a spirit being. (John 4:23,24) And in the Bible there is a ton of
information about His personality such as His love, justice, wisdom,
and power, etc.
>The state of the world is proof the God described in the bible
>does not exist
truths. Try to open the door a crack, and see what happens. :>)
Sincerely James
mass shootings at schools
Lucifer
Jun 9, 2022, 9:51:37 PM6/9/22
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everything is good with no downside.
>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>all things right again.
this action?
>>You appear to be saying God has never cared about us.
>
>That is your extremism working again. A quick look in Genesis and
>other OT books shows how God cared for His servants in the past. But
>wicked ones He punished.
"The "almighty caring creator" thing won't start until God's day
arrives."?
>>>He has set a time for judgment. That time is shortly to come.
>>
>>What would you expect God to do following his judgment?
>
>Make this earth a paradise. Provide for all the needs of God's
>servants. Make every day a pleasure to look forward to.
>>>He won't fully repair human affairs till then.
>>
>>How will God repair human affairs?
>
>He will replace all of man's weak governments with His powerful
>kingdom government. He will remove ALL imperfections from our flesh
>and mind.
amending His design because it is already perfect.
>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>will eliminate death.
>All humans that survive His judgments can live
>forever under perfect conditions.
we will all meet God's requirements.
>>>Until then you will
>>>just have to put up with babies dying, people torturing others,
>>>murders, thieves, and so forth.
>>
>>It's rather like we don't have a God at all.
>
>Only if you don't believe in Him. For those with true belief, they can
>lay their problems on Him. And He is a central part of their lives. To
>them, He is a God holding back all the best things, for just the right
>time, so that eternity will be peaceful and harmonious.
God put an end to that. (Genesis 11:7,8)
>Try to open the door a crack, and see what happens. :>)
Just present the evidence you claim to have.
>Sincerely James
zeb...@windstream.net
Jun 12, 2022, 12:13:26 PM6/12/22
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 11:51:31 +1000, Lucifer
Yes, I know, you have said that many times. And I have said many times
that God's design in the very beginning was perfect. No need to amend
a perfect design.
>
>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>all things right again.
>
>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>this action?
Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>
>>>You appear to be saying God has never cared about us.
>>
>>That is your extremism working again. A quick look in Genesis and
>>other OT books shows how God cared for His servants in the past. But
>>wicked ones He punished.
>
>Did you write,
>"The "almighty caring creator" thing won't start until God's day
>arrives."?
I don't know exactly. But what I meant was that God won't correct ALL
the problems until His day of judgment arrives.
>
>>>>He has set a time for judgment. That time is shortly to come.
>>>
>>>What would you expect God to do following his judgment?
>>
>>Make this earth a paradise. Provide for all the needs of God's
>>servants. Make every day a pleasure to look forward to.
>
>No free will then?
Why wouldn't there still be free will?
>
>>>>He won't fully repair human affairs till then.
>>>
>>>How will God repair human affairs?
>>
>>He will replace all of man's weak governments with His powerful
>>kingdom government. He will remove ALL imperfections from our flesh
>>and mind.
>
>That appears to contradict what you said before about God not
>amending His design because it is already perfect.
You don't have your English tense right. It should be "because it WAS
already perfect." It was perfect at the time of creation. But not now.
>
>>All humans that survive His judgments can live
>>forever under perfect conditions.
>
>If God removes ALL imperfections from our flesh and mind
>we will all meet God's requirements.
Exactly. But He will judge the living wicked first. And after 1000
years and the dead have been resurrected, and the removing of
imperfections, there will be a final judgment. Then after that, those
that are left will live forever on a paradise earth.
>
>>>>Until then you will
>>>>just have to put up with babies dying, people torturing others,
>>>>murders, thieves, and so forth.
>>>
>>>It's rather like we don't have a God at all.
>>
>>Only if you don't believe in Him. For those with true belief, they can
>>lay their problems on Him. And He is a central part of their lives. To
>>them, He is a God holding back all the best things, for just the right
>>time, so that eternity will be peaceful and harmonious.
>
>The whole world was at peace and harmony. (Genesis 11:6)
(Genesis 11:6) Jehovah then said: “Look! They are one people with one
language, and this is what they have started to do. Now there is
nothing that they may have in mind to do that will be impossible for
them.
It doesn't say anything about peace and harmony. It just says they had
one language. We have one language here in the U.S., yet there is
still violence and disharmony around.
>God put an end to that. (Genesis 11:7,8)
God put an end to their trying to make a name for themselves, instead
of God.
A Bible truth IS a true truth. There is no difference.
>
>>Try to open the door a crack, and see what happens. :>)
>
>Why are you holding back?
>Just present the evidence you claim to have.
Evidence for what exactly?
Sincerely James
mass killings at schools
that God's design in the very beginning was perfect. No need to amend
a perfect design.
>
>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>all things right again.
>
>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>this action?
time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>
>>>You appear to be saying God has never cared about us.
>>
>>That is your extremism working again. A quick look in Genesis and
>>other OT books shows how God cared for His servants in the past. But
>>wicked ones He punished.
>
>Did you write,
>"The "almighty caring creator" thing won't start until God's day
>arrives."?
the problems until His day of judgment arrives.
>
>>>>He has set a time for judgment. That time is shortly to come.
>>>
>>>What would you expect God to do following his judgment?
>>
>>Make this earth a paradise. Provide for all the needs of God's
>>servants. Make every day a pleasure to look forward to.
>
>No free will then?
>
>>>>He won't fully repair human affairs till then.
>>>
>>>How will God repair human affairs?
>>
>>He will replace all of man's weak governments with His powerful
>>kingdom government. He will remove ALL imperfections from our flesh
>>and mind.
>
>That appears to contradict what you said before about God not
>amending His design because it is already perfect.
already perfect." It was perfect at the time of creation. But not now.
>
>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>will eliminate death.
>
>Presumably do away with reproduction.
The Bible does not address that statement.
>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>will eliminate death.
>
>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>
>>All humans that survive His judgments can live
>>forever under perfect conditions.
>
>If God removes ALL imperfections from our flesh and mind
>we will all meet God's requirements.
years and the dead have been resurrected, and the removing of
imperfections, there will be a final judgment. Then after that, those
that are left will live forever on a paradise earth.
>
>>>>Until then you will
>>>>just have to put up with babies dying, people torturing others,
>>>>murders, thieves, and so forth.
>>>
>>>It's rather like we don't have a God at all.
>>
>>Only if you don't believe in Him. For those with true belief, they can
>>lay their problems on Him. And He is a central part of their lives. To
>>them, He is a God holding back all the best things, for just the right
>>time, so that eternity will be peaceful and harmonious.
>
>The whole world was at peace and harmony. (Genesis 11:6)
language, and this is what they have started to do. Now there is
nothing that they may have in mind to do that will be impossible for
them.
It doesn't say anything about peace and harmony. It just says they had
one language. We have one language here in the U.S., yet there is
still violence and disharmony around.
>God put an end to that. (Genesis 11:7,8)
of God.
>
>>Try to open the door a crack, and see what happens. :>)
>
>Why are you holding back?
>Just present the evidence you claim to have.
Sincerely James
mass killings at schools
Lucifer
Jun 12, 2022, 4:10:40 PM6/12/22
to
>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>all things right again.
>>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>>this action?
>
>Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
>time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
>(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>>>>You appear to be saying God has never cared about us.
>>>
>>>That is your extremism working again. A quick look in Genesis and
>>>other OT books shows how God cared for His servants in the past. But
>>>wicked ones He punished.
>>
>>Did you write,
>>"The "almighty caring creator" thing won't start until God's day
>>arrives."?
>
>I don't know exactly. But what I meant was that God won't correct ALL
>the problems until His day of judgment arrives.
off His power. Does that sound like the sort of dictator we want?
>>>>>He has set a time for judgment. That time is shortly to come.
>>>>
>>>>What would you expect God to do following his judgment?
>>>
>>>Make this earth a paradise. Provide for all the needs of God's
>>>servants. Make every day a pleasure to look forward to.
>>
>>No free will then?
>
>Why wouldn't there still be free will?
good?
>>>>>He won't fully repair human affairs till then.
>>>>
>>>>How will God repair human affairs?
>>>
>>>He will replace all of man's weak governments with His powerful
>>>kingdom government. He will remove ALL imperfections from our flesh
>>>and mind.
>>
>>That appears to contradict what you said before about God not
>>amending His design because it is already perfect.
>
>You don't have your English tense right. It should be "because it WAS
>already perfect." It was perfect at the time of creation. But not now.
>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>will eliminate death.
>>
>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>
>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>All humans that survive His judgments can live
>>>forever under perfect conditions.
>>
>>If God removes ALL imperfections from our flesh and mind
>>we will all meet God's requirements.
>
>Exactly.
>But He will judge the living wicked first. And after 1000
>years and the dead have been resurrected, and the removing of
>imperfections, there will be a final judgment. Then after that, those
>that are left will live forever on a paradise earth.
>>>>>Until then you will
>>>>>just have to put up with babies dying, people torturing others,
>>>>>murders, thieves, and so forth.
>>>>
>>>>It's rather like we don't have a God at all.
>>>
>>>Only if you don't believe in Him. For those with true belief, they can
>>>lay their problems on Him. And He is a central part of their lives. To
>>>them, He is a God holding back all the best things, for just the right
>>>time, so that eternity will be peaceful and harmonious.
>>
>>The whole world was at peace and harmony. (Genesis 11:6)
>
>(Genesis 11:6) Jehovah then said: “Look! They are one people with one
>language, and this is what they have started to do. Now there is
>nothing that they may have in mind to do that will be impossible for
>them.
>
>It doesn't say anything about peace and harmony. It just says they had
>one language. We have one language here in the U.S., yet there is
>still violence and disharmony around.
>
>>God put an end to that. (Genesis 11:7,8)
>
>God put an end to their trying to make a name for themselves, instead
>of God.
>Sincerely James
>mass killings at schools
>See what the Bible says
I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.’
zeb...@windstream.net
Jun 13, 2022, 5:06:52 PM6/13/22
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On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 06:10:34 +1000, Lucifer
Not at all.
>
>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>all things right again.
>
>What errors?
Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
thieves, and on, and on.
>
>>>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>>>this action?
>>
>>Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
>>time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
>>(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>
>That could explain why God does not understand his own creation.
He understands it so much, that humans can't figure it out.
>
>>>>>You appear to be saying God has never cared about us.
>>>>
>>>>That is your extremism working again. A quick look in Genesis and
>>>>other OT books shows how God cared for His servants in the past. But
>>>>wicked ones He punished.
>>>
>>>Did you write,
>>>"The "almighty caring creator" thing won't start until God's day
>>>arrives."?
>>
>>I don't know exactly. But what I meant was that God won't correct ALL
>>the problems until His day of judgment arrives.
>
>gotquestions.org say God caused all the problems so He could show
>off His power. Does that sound like the sort of dictator we want?
Of course not. But you are listening to a pack of lies. Read the Bible
yourself to get the TRUE Bible information.
(Deuteronomy 32:4) The Rock, perfect is his activity, For all his ways
are justice. A God of faithfulness who is never unjust; Righteous and
upright is he.
>
>>>>>>He has set a time for judgment. That time is shortly to come.
>>>>>
>>>>>What would you expect God to do following his judgment?
>>>>
>>>>Make this earth a paradise. Provide for all the needs of God's
>>>>servants. Make every day a pleasure to look forward to.
>>>
>>>No free will then?
>>
>>Why wouldn't there still be free will?
>
>Is it possible for us to have free will while God is making everything
>good?
Most certainly.
>
>>>>>>He won't fully repair human affairs till then.
>>>>>
>>>>>How will God repair human affairs?
>>>>
>>>>He will replace all of man's weak governments with His powerful
>>>>kingdom government. He will remove ALL imperfections from our flesh
>>>>and mind.
>>>
>>>That appears to contradict what you said before about God not
>>>amending His design because it is already perfect.
>>
>>You don't have your English tense right. It should be "because it WAS
>>already perfect." It was perfect at the time of creation. But not now.
>
>Why did God change his design?
God hasn't been doing designs since He created Adam. We are now
getting our human body from genetics only.
>
>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>
>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>
>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>
>God will need to greatly amend his design.
God will put back perfection for the human race.
>
>>>>All humans that survive His judgments can live
>>>>forever under perfect conditions.
>>>
>>>If God removes ALL imperfections from our flesh and mind
>>>we will all meet God's requirements.
>>
>>Exactly.
>
>That would be best for everybody.
Of course.
>
>>But He will judge the living wicked first. And after 1000
>>years and the dead have been resurrected, and the removing of
>>imperfections, there will be a final judgment. Then after that, those
>>that are left will live forever on a paradise earth.
>
>If God corrects all His errors there will be no need for judgment.
God hasn't made any errors.
>
>>>>>>Until then you will
>>>>>>just have to put up with babies dying, people torturing others,
>>>>>>murders, thieves, and so forth.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's rather like we don't have a God at all.
>>>>
>>>>Only if you don't believe in Him. For those with true belief, they can
>>>>lay their problems on Him. And He is a central part of their lives. To
>>>>them, He is a God holding back all the best things, for just the right
>>>>time, so that eternity will be peaceful and harmonious.
>>>
>>>The whole world was at peace and harmony. (Genesis 11:6)
>>
>>(Genesis 11:6) Jehovah then said: “Look! They are one people with one
>>language, and this is what they have started to do. Now there is
>>nothing that they may have in mind to do that will be impossible for
>>them.
>>
>>It doesn't say anything about peace and harmony. It just says they had
>>one language. We have one language here in the U.S., yet there is
>>still violence and disharmony around.
>>
>>>God put an end to that. (Genesis 11:7,8)
>>
>>God put an end to their trying to make a name for themselves, instead
>>of God.
>
>What was God afraid of?
God does not get afraid. But He demands exclusive devotion:
(Exodus 20:5, 6) You must not bow down to them nor be enticed to serve
them, for I, Jehovah your God, am a God who requires exclusive
devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon
the third generation and upon the fourth generation of those who hate
me, 6 but showing loyal love to the thousandth generation of those who
love me and keep my commandments.
There are thousands of Scriptures that prove that. What Scripture (s)
do you have that shows the Bible lies?
>
>>Sincerely James
>>mass killings at schools
>>See what the Bible says
>
>Isaiah 46:10
>I make known the end from the beginning,
> from ancient times, what is still to come.
>I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
> and I will do all that I please.’
Yes, God CAN see into the future if He chooses to do so.
Remember Sodom and Gomorrah.
Sincerely James
mass killings at schools
See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org
>
>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>all things right again.
>
>What errors?
thieves, and on, and on.
>
>>>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>>>this action?
>>
>>Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
>>time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
>>(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>
>That could explain why God does not understand his own creation.
>
>>>>>You appear to be saying God has never cared about us.
>>>>
>>>>That is your extremism working again. A quick look in Genesis and
>>>>other OT books shows how God cared for His servants in the past. But
>>>>wicked ones He punished.
>>>
>>>Did you write,
>>>"The "almighty caring creator" thing won't start until God's day
>>>arrives."?
>>
>>I don't know exactly. But what I meant was that God won't correct ALL
>>the problems until His day of judgment arrives.
>
>gotquestions.org say God caused all the problems so He could show
>off His power. Does that sound like the sort of dictator we want?
yourself to get the TRUE Bible information.
(Deuteronomy 32:4) The Rock, perfect is his activity, For all his ways
are justice. A God of faithfulness who is never unjust; Righteous and
upright is he.
>
>>>>>>He has set a time for judgment. That time is shortly to come.
>>>>>
>>>>>What would you expect God to do following his judgment?
>>>>
>>>>Make this earth a paradise. Provide for all the needs of God's
>>>>servants. Make every day a pleasure to look forward to.
>>>
>>>No free will then?
>>
>>Why wouldn't there still be free will?
>
>Is it possible for us to have free will while God is making everything
>good?
>
>>>>>>He won't fully repair human affairs till then.
>>>>>
>>>>>How will God repair human affairs?
>>>>
>>>>He will replace all of man's weak governments with His powerful
>>>>kingdom government. He will remove ALL imperfections from our flesh
>>>>and mind.
>>>
>>>That appears to contradict what you said before about God not
>>>amending His design because it is already perfect.
>>
>>You don't have your English tense right. It should be "because it WAS
>>already perfect." It was perfect at the time of creation. But not now.
>
>Why did God change his design?
getting our human body from genetics only.
>
>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>
>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>
>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>
>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>
>>>>All humans that survive His judgments can live
>>>>forever under perfect conditions.
>>>
>>>If God removes ALL imperfections from our flesh and mind
>>>we will all meet God's requirements.
>>
>>Exactly.
>
>That would be best for everybody.
>
>>But He will judge the living wicked first. And after 1000
>>years and the dead have been resurrected, and the removing of
>>imperfections, there will be a final judgment. Then after that, those
>>that are left will live forever on a paradise earth.
>
>If God corrects all His errors there will be no need for judgment.
>
>>>>>>Until then you will
>>>>>>just have to put up with babies dying, people torturing others,
>>>>>>murders, thieves, and so forth.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's rather like we don't have a God at all.
>>>>
>>>>Only if you don't believe in Him. For those with true belief, they can
>>>>lay their problems on Him. And He is a central part of their lives. To
>>>>them, He is a God holding back all the best things, for just the right
>>>>time, so that eternity will be peaceful and harmonious.
>>>
>>>The whole world was at peace and harmony. (Genesis 11:6)
>>
>>(Genesis 11:6) Jehovah then said: “Look! They are one people with one
>>language, and this is what they have started to do. Now there is
>>nothing that they may have in mind to do that will be impossible for
>>them.
>>
>>It doesn't say anything about peace and harmony. It just says they had
>>one language. We have one language here in the U.S., yet there is
>>still violence and disharmony around.
>>
>>>God put an end to that. (Genesis 11:7,8)
>>
>>God put an end to their trying to make a name for themselves, instead
>>of God.
>
>What was God afraid of?
(Exodus 20:5, 6) You must not bow down to them nor be enticed to serve
them, for I, Jehovah your God, am a God who requires exclusive
devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon
the third generation and upon the fourth generation of those who hate
me, 6 but showing loyal love to the thousandth generation of those who
love me and keep my commandments.
do you have that shows the Bible lies?
>
>>Sincerely James
>>mass killings at schools
>>See what the Bible says
>
>Isaiah 46:10
>I make known the end from the beginning,
> from ancient times, what is still to come.
>I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
> and I will do all that I please.’
Remember Sodom and Gomorrah.
Sincerely James
mass killings at schools
See what the Bible says
Lucifer
Jun 13, 2022, 10:06:08 PM6/13/22
to
>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>all things right again.
>>
>>What errors?
>
>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>>>>this action?
>>>
>>>Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
>>>time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
>>>(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>>
>>That could explain why God does not understand his own creation.
>
>He understands it so much, that humans can't figure it out.
>>>>>>You appear to be saying God has never cared about us.
>>>>>
>>>>>That is your extremism working again. A quick look in Genesis and
>>>>>other OT books shows how God cared for His servants in the past. But
>>>>>wicked ones He punished.
>>>>
>>>>Did you write,
>>>>"The "almighty caring creator" thing won't start until God's day
>>>>arrives."?
>>>
>>>I don't know exactly. But what I meant was that God won't correct ALL
>>>the problems until His day of judgment arrives.
>>
>>gotquestions.org say God caused all the problems so He could show
>>off His power. Does that sound like the sort of dictator we want?
>
>Of course not. But you are listening to a pack of lies. Read the Bible
>yourself to get the TRUE Bible information.
>
>(Deuteronomy 32:4) The Rock, perfect is his activity, For all his ways
>are justice. A God of faithfulness who is never unjust; Righteous and
>upright is he.
>>>>>>>He has set a time for judgment. That time is shortly to come.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What would you expect God to do following his judgment?
>>>>>
>>>>>Make this earth a paradise. Provide for all the needs of God's
>>>>>servants. Make every day a pleasure to look forward to.
>>>>
>>>>No free will then?
>>>
>>>Why wouldn't there still be free will?
>>
>>Is it possible for us to have free will while God is making everything
>>good?
>
>Most certainly.
free will.
If you are right God is without excuse.
>>>>>>>He won't fully repair human affairs till then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How will God repair human affairs?
>>>>>
>>>>>He will replace all of man's weak governments with His powerful
>>>>>kingdom government. He will remove ALL imperfections from our flesh
>>>>>and mind.
>>>>
>>>>That appears to contradict what you said before about God not
>>>>amending His design because it is already perfect.
>>>
>>>You don't have your English tense right. It should be "because it WAS
>>>already perfect." It was perfect at the time of creation. But not now.
>>
>>Why did God change his design?
>
>God hasn't been doing designs since He created Adam. We are now
>getting our human body from genetics only.
>>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>
>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>
>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>
>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>
>God will put back perfection for the human race.
power by again saving us from ourselves.
And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>>>>>All humans that survive His judgments can live
>>>>>forever under perfect conditions.
>>>>
>>>>If God removes ALL imperfections from our flesh and mind
>>>>we will all meet God's requirements.
>>>
>>>Exactly.
>>
>>That would be best for everybody.
>
>Of course.
Now it's up to you to convince God of that.
Appeal to God's good side.
>>>But He will judge the living wicked first. And after 1000
>>>years and the dead have been resurrected, and the removing of
>>>imperfections, there will be a final judgment. Then after that, those
>>>that are left will live forever on a paradise earth.
>>
>>If God corrects all His errors there will be no need for judgment.
>
>God hasn't made any errors.
making errors is that God deliberately and maliciously chose to create
us in such a way that we would suffer.
and harmony. I doubt he will risk that happening again.
>What Scripture (s)
>do you have that shows the Bible lies?
Please show me proof of the supernatural.
zeb...@windstream.net
Jun 15, 2022, 3:15:28 PM6/15/22
to
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 12:06:02 +1000, Lucifer
His design is perfect, it can't be improved. But it can be revised
many times.
>
>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>
>>>What errors?
>>
>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>thieves, and on, and on.
>
>No need to correct a perfect design.
You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
can revise it.
>
>>>>>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>>>>>this action?
>>>>
>>>>Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
>>>>time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
>>>>(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>>>
>>>That could explain why God does not understand his own creation.
>>
>>He understands it so much, that humans can't figure it out.
>
>Are you saying God deceives us?
Humans deceive, God relieves.
>
>>>>>>>You appear to be saying God has never cared about us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That is your extremism working again. A quick look in Genesis and
>>>>>>other OT books shows how God cared for His servants in the past. But
>>>>>>wicked ones He punished.
>>>>>
>>>>>Did you write,
>>>>>"The "almighty caring creator" thing won't start until God's day
>>>>>arrives."?
>>>>
>>>>I don't know exactly. But what I meant was that God won't correct ALL
>>>>the problems until His day of judgment arrives.
>>>
>>>gotquestions.org say God caused all the problems so He could show
>>>off His power. Does that sound like the sort of dictator we want?
>>
>>Of course not. But you are listening to a pack of lies. Read the Bible
>>yourself to get the TRUE Bible information.
>>
>>(Deuteronomy 32:4) The Rock, perfect is his activity, For all his ways
>>are justice. A God of faithfulness who is never unjust; Righteous and
>>upright is he.
>
>Is that the sort of God we have?
Of course.
had free will when first put in the Garden of Eden. And they were not
suffering then
>
>>>>>>>>He won't fully repair human affairs till then.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How will God repair human affairs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He will replace all of man's weak governments with His powerful
>>>>>>kingdom government. He will remove ALL imperfections from our flesh
>>>>>>and mind.
>>>>>
>>>>>That appears to contradict what you said before about God not
>>>>>amending His design because it is already perfect.
>>>>
>>>>You don't have your English tense right. It should be "because it WAS
>>>>already perfect." It was perfect at the time of creation. But not now.
>>>
>>>Why did God change his design?
>>
>>God hasn't been doing designs since He created Adam. We are now
>>getting our human body from genetics only.
>
>Why did God create Adam that way?
Nobody knows WHY God did what He did. He didn't create the angels this
way because they were not born from a female angel. They were all
directly created by God. But he made humans to be born through
genetics.
>
>>>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>
>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>
>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>
>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>
>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>
>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
And cows can fly. (I guess so in tornadoes)
>
>>>>>>All humans that survive His judgments can live
>>>>>>forever under perfect conditions.
>>>>>
>>>>>If God removes ALL imperfections from our flesh and mind
>>>>>we will all meet God's requirements.
>>>>
>>>>Exactly.
>>>
>>>That would be best for everybody.
>>
>>Of course.
>
>We are agreed, then, that God must amend his design.
>Now it's up to you to convince God of that.
>Appeal to God's good side.
You can't amend perfection. But you can revise it.
>
>>>>But He will judge the living wicked first. And after 1000
>>>>years and the dead have been resurrected, and the removing of
>>>>imperfections, there will be a final judgment. Then after that, those
>>>>that are left will live forever on a paradise earth.
>>>
>>>If God corrects all His errors there will be no need for judgment.
>>
>>God hasn't made any errors.
>
>You might want to rethink that because the only alternative to God
>making errors is that God deliberately and maliciously chose to create
>us in such a way that we would suffer.
Would you like to live in a universe where wicked deeds are never
punished? Where if they attacked you, they would always get away with
it? God apparently built within Adam (and Eve) a punishment for
disobedience. And, through genetics, that was passed on to everyone
else.
If it was that easy, you wouldn't even be asking the question.
>
>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>mass killings at schools
>>>>See what the Bible says
>>>
>>>Isaiah 46:10
>>>I make known the end from the beginning,
>>> from ancient times, what is still to come.
>>>I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
>>> and I will do all that I please.’
>>
>>Yes, God CAN see into the future if He chooses to do so.
>>Remember Sodom and Gomorrah.
>>
>>Sincerely James
>>mass killings at schools
>>See what the Bible says
>
>Isaiah 46:10
>I make known the end from the beginning,
> from ancient times, what is still to come.
>I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
> and I will do all that I please.’
Thank God.
Sincerely James
mass killings at schools
See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org
many times.
>
>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>
>>>What errors?
>>
>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>thieves, and on, and on.
>
>No need to correct a perfect design.
can revise it.
>
>>>>>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>>>>>this action?
>>>>
>>>>Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
>>>>time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
>>>>(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>>>
>>>That could explain why God does not understand his own creation.
>>
>>He understands it so much, that humans can't figure it out.
>
>Are you saying God deceives us?
>
>>>>>>>You appear to be saying God has never cared about us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That is your extremism working again. A quick look in Genesis and
>>>>>>other OT books shows how God cared for His servants in the past. But
>>>>>>wicked ones He punished.
>>>>>
>>>>>Did you write,
>>>>>"The "almighty caring creator" thing won't start until God's day
>>>>>arrives."?
>>>>
>>>>I don't know exactly. But what I meant was that God won't correct ALL
>>>>the problems until His day of judgment arrives.
>>>
>>>gotquestions.org say God caused all the problems so He could show
>>>off His power. Does that sound like the sort of dictator we want?
>>
>>Of course not. But you are listening to a pack of lies. Read the Bible
>>yourself to get the TRUE Bible information.
>>
>>(Deuteronomy 32:4) The Rock, perfect is his activity, For all his ways
>>are justice. A God of faithfulness who is never unjust; Righteous and
>>upright is he.
>
>Is that the sort of God we have?
>
>>>>>>>>He has set a time for judgment. That time is shortly to come.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What would you expect God to do following his judgment?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Make this earth a paradise. Provide for all the needs of God's
>>>>>>servants. Make every day a pleasure to look forward to.
>>>>>
>>>>>No free will then?
>>>>
>>>>Why wouldn't there still be free will?
>>>
>>>Is it possible for us to have free will while God is making everything
>>>good?
>>
>>Most certainly.
>
>We are told God must allow suffering in order for us to have
>free will.
>If you are right God is without excuse.
Who told you that? The Devil? I wouldn't be surprised. Adam and Eve
>>>>>>>>He has set a time for judgment. That time is shortly to come.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What would you expect God to do following his judgment?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Make this earth a paradise. Provide for all the needs of God's
>>>>>>servants. Make every day a pleasure to look forward to.
>>>>>
>>>>>No free will then?
>>>>
>>>>Why wouldn't there still be free will?
>>>
>>>Is it possible for us to have free will while God is making everything
>>>good?
>>
>>Most certainly.
>
>We are told God must allow suffering in order for us to have
>free will.
>If you are right God is without excuse.
had free will when first put in the Garden of Eden. And they were not
suffering then
>
>>>>>>>>He won't fully repair human affairs till then.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How will God repair human affairs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He will replace all of man's weak governments with His powerful
>>>>>>kingdom government. He will remove ALL imperfections from our flesh
>>>>>>and mind.
>>>>>
>>>>>That appears to contradict what you said before about God not
>>>>>amending His design because it is already perfect.
>>>>
>>>>You don't have your English tense right. It should be "because it WAS
>>>>already perfect." It was perfect at the time of creation. But not now.
>>>
>>>Why did God change his design?
>>
>>God hasn't been doing designs since He created Adam. We are now
>>getting our human body from genetics only.
>
>Why did God create Adam that way?
way because they were not born from a female angel. They were all
directly created by God. But he made humans to be born through
genetics.
>
>>>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>
>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>
>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>
>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>
>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>
>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>
>>>>>>All humans that survive His judgments can live
>>>>>>forever under perfect conditions.
>>>>>
>>>>>If God removes ALL imperfections from our flesh and mind
>>>>>we will all meet God's requirements.
>>>>
>>>>Exactly.
>>>
>>>That would be best for everybody.
>>
>>Of course.
>
>We are agreed, then, that God must amend his design.
>Now it's up to you to convince God of that.
>Appeal to God's good side.
>
>>>>But He will judge the living wicked first. And after 1000
>>>>years and the dead have been resurrected, and the removing of
>>>>imperfections, there will be a final judgment. Then after that, those
>>>>that are left will live forever on a paradise earth.
>>>
>>>If God corrects all His errors there will be no need for judgment.
>>
>>God hasn't made any errors.
>
>You might want to rethink that because the only alternative to God
>making errors is that God deliberately and maliciously chose to create
>us in such a way that we would suffer.
punished? Where if they attacked you, they would always get away with
it? God apparently built within Adam (and Eve) a punishment for
disobedience. And, through genetics, that was passed on to everyone
else.
>
>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>mass killings at schools
>>>>See what the Bible says
>>>
>>>Isaiah 46:10
>>>I make known the end from the beginning,
>>> from ancient times, what is still to come.
>>>I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
>>> and I will do all that I please.’
>>
>>Yes, God CAN see into the future if He chooses to do so.
>>Remember Sodom and Gomorrah.
>>
>>Sincerely James
>>mass killings at schools
>>See what the Bible says
>
>Isaiah 46:10
>I make known the end from the beginning,
> from ancient times, what is still to come.
>I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
> and I will do all that I please.’
Sincerely James
mass killings at schools
See what the Bible says
Lucifer
Jun 15, 2022, 5:26:55 PM6/15/22
to
>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>
>>>>What errors?
>>>
>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>
>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>
>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>can revise it.
"God will correct all errors"
>>>>>>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>>>>>>this action?
>>>>>
>>>>>Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
>>>>>time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
>>>>>(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>>>>
>>>>That could explain why God does not understand his own creation.
>>>
>>>He understands it so much, that humans can't figure it out.
>>
>>Are you saying God deceives us?
>
>Humans deceive, God relieves.
Why would God feel the need to deceive us?
>>>>>>this action?
>>>>>
>>>>>Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
>>>>>time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
>>>>>(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>>>>
>>>>That could explain why God does not understand his own creation.
>>>
>>>He understands it so much, that humans can't figure it out.
>>
>>Are you saying God deceives us?
>
>Humans deceive, God relieves.
>>>>>>>>You appear to be saying God has never cared about us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That is your extremism working again. A quick look in Genesis and
>>>>>>>other OT books shows how God cared for His servants in the past. But
>>>>>>>wicked ones He punished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Did you write,
>>>>>>"The "almighty caring creator" thing won't start until God's day
>>>>>>arrives."?
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't know exactly. But what I meant was that God won't correct ALL
>>>>>the problems until His day of judgment arrives.
>>>>
>>>>gotquestions.org say God caused all the problems so He could show
>>>>off His power. Does that sound like the sort of dictator we want?
>>>
>>>Of course not. But you are listening to a pack of lies. Read the Bible
>>>yourself to get the TRUE Bible information.
>>>
>>>(Deuteronomy 32:4) The Rock, perfect is his activity, For all his ways
>>>are justice. A God of faithfulness who is never unjust; Righteous and
>>>upright is he.
>>
>>Is that the sort of God we have?
>
>Of course.
that evil being.
>>>>>>>>>He has set a time for judgment. That time is shortly to come.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What would you expect God to do following his judgment?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Make this earth a paradise. Provide for all the needs of God's
>>>>>>>servants. Make every day a pleasure to look forward to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No free will then?
>>>>>
>>>>>Why wouldn't there still be free will?
>>>>
>>>>Is it possible for us to have free will while God is making everything
>>>>good?
>>>
>>>Most certainly.
>>
>>We are told God must allow suffering in order for us to have
>>free will.
>>If you are right God is without excuse.
>
>Who told you that? The Devil? I wouldn't be surprised. Adam and Eve
>had free will when first put in the Garden of Eden. And they were not
>suffering then
>>>>>>>>>He won't fully repair human affairs till then.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How will God repair human affairs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He will replace all of man's weak governments with His powerful
>>>>>>>kingdom government. He will remove ALL imperfections from our flesh
>>>>>>>and mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That appears to contradict what you said before about God not
>>>>>>amending His design because it is already perfect.
>>>>>
>>>>>You don't have your English tense right. It should be "because it WAS
>>>>>already perfect." It was perfect at the time of creation. But not now.
>>>>
>>>>Why did God change his design?
>>>
>>>God hasn't been doing designs since He created Adam. We are now
>>>getting our human body from genetics only.
>>
>>Why did God create Adam that way?
>
>Nobody knows WHY God did what He did. He didn't create the angels this
>way because they were not born from a female angel. They were all
>directly created by God. But he made humans to be born through
>genetics.
>>>>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>>
>>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>>
>>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>>
>>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>
>And cows can fly. (I guess so in tornadoes)
>>>>>>>All humans that survive His judgments can live
>>>>>>>forever under perfect conditions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If God removes ALL imperfections from our flesh and mind
>>>>>>we will all meet God's requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>>Exactly.
>>>>
>>>>That would be best for everybody.
>>>
>>>Of course.
>>
>>We are agreed, then, that God must amend his design.
>>Now it's up to you to convince God of that.
>>Appeal to God's good side.
>
>You can't amend perfection. But you can revise it.
>>>>>But He will judge the living wicked first. And after 1000
>>>>>years and the dead have been resurrected, and the removing of
>>>>>imperfections, there will be a final judgment. Then after that, those
>>>>>that are left will live forever on a paradise earth.
>>>>
>>>>If God corrects all His errors there will be no need for judgment.
>>>
>>>God hasn't made any errors.
>>
>>You might want to rethink that because the only alternative to God
>>making errors is that God deliberately and maliciously chose to create
>>us in such a way that we would suffer.
>
>Would you like to live in a universe where wicked deeds are never
>punished? Where if they attacked you, they would always get away with
>it? God apparently built within Adam (and Eve) a punishment for
>disobedience. And, through genetics, that was passed on to everyone
>else.
an excuse to punish him?
zeb...@windstream.net
Jun 18, 2022, 6:05:46 AM6/18/22
to
On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 07:26:50 +1000, Lucifer
He might start creating again.
>
>>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>
>>>>>What errors?
>>>>
>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>
>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>
>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>can revise it.
>
>You wrote,
>"God will correct all errors"
Yes, all the errors produced by Adam's disobedience.
>
>>>>>>>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>>>>>>>this action?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
>>>>>>time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
>>>>>>(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>>>>>
>>>>>That could explain why God does not understand his own creation.
>>>>
>>>>He understands it so much, that humans can't figure it out.
>>>
>>>Are you saying God deceives us?
>>
>>Humans deceive, God relieves.
>
>Why would God feel the need to deceive us?
He wouldn't. (see Jas 1:13)
>
>>>>>>>>>You appear to be saying God has never cared about us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That is your extremism working again. A quick look in Genesis and
>>>>>>>>other OT books shows how God cared for His servants in the past. But
>>>>>>>>wicked ones He punished.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Did you write,
>>>>>>>"The "almighty caring creator" thing won't start until God's day
>>>>>>>arrives."?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't know exactly. But what I meant was that God won't correct ALL
>>>>>>the problems until His day of judgment arrives.
>>>>>
>>>>>gotquestions.org say God caused all the problems so He could show
>>>>>off His power. Does that sound like the sort of dictator we want?
>>>>
>>>>Of course not. But you are listening to a pack of lies. Read the Bible
>>>>yourself to get the TRUE Bible information.
>>>>
>>>>(Deuteronomy 32:4) The Rock, perfect is his activity, For all his ways
>>>>are justice. A God of faithfulness who is never unjust; Righteous and
>>>>upright is he.
>>>
>>>Is that the sort of God we have?
>>
>>Of course.
>
>You did say God created an evil being then abandoned us to
>that evil being.
Listen:
(James 1:13) When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by
God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself
try anyone.
>
>>>>>>>>>>He has set a time for judgment. That time is shortly to come.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What would you expect God to do following his judgment?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Make this earth a paradise. Provide for all the needs of God's
>>>>>>>>servants. Make every day a pleasure to look forward to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No free will then?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why wouldn't there still be free will?
>>>>>
>>>>>Is it possible for us to have free will while God is making everything
>>>>>good?
>>>>
>>>>Most certainly.
>>>
>>>We are told God must allow suffering in order for us to have
>>>free will.
>>>If you are right God is without excuse.
>>
>>Who told you that? The Devil? I wouldn't be surprised. Adam and Eve
>>had free will when first put in the Garden of Eden. And they were not
>>suffering then
>
>Was God making everything good for them?
Absolutely. It would be like opening a package of M&M's and finding
just one yellow one. And being told you can eat all of them except the
yellow one. The same with Adam and those trees.
>
>>>>>>>>>>He won't fully repair human affairs till then.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>How will God repair human affairs?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>He will replace all of man's weak governments with His powerful
>>>>>>>>kingdom government. He will remove ALL imperfections from our flesh
>>>>>>>>and mind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That appears to contradict what you said before about God not
>>>>>>>amending His design because it is already perfect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You don't have your English tense right. It should be "because it WAS
>>>>>>already perfect." It was perfect at the time of creation. But not now.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did God change his design?
>>>>
>>>>God hasn't been doing designs since He created Adam. We are now
>>>>getting our human body from genetics only.
>>>
>>>Why did God create Adam that way?
>>
>>Nobody knows WHY God did what He did. He didn't create the angels this
>>way because they were not born from a female angel. They were all
>>directly created by God. But he made humans to be born through
>>genetics.
>
>God created Satan directly?
Yes, but at that time, he was a righteous angel.
>
>>>>>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>>>
>>>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>>>
>>>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>>>
>>>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>>>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>>>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>>
>>And cows can fly. (I guess so in tornadoes)
>
>Nobody knows WHY God does what He does.
Can an ant build a skyscraper?
>
>>>>>>>>All humans that survive His judgments can live
>>>>>>>>forever under perfect conditions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If God removes ALL imperfections from our flesh and mind
>>>>>>>we will all meet God's requirements.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Exactly.
>>>>>
>>>>>That would be best for everybody.
>>>>
>>>>Of course.
>>>
>>>We are agreed, then, that God must amend his design.
>>>Now it's up to you to convince God of that.
>>>Appeal to God's good side.
>>
>>You can't amend perfection. But you can revise it.
>
>You are limiting God.
On the contrary, I am expanding His many powers.
>
>>>>>>But He will judge the living wicked first. And after 1000
>>>>>>years and the dead have been resurrected, and the removing of
>>>>>>imperfections, there will be a final judgment. Then after that, those
>>>>>>that are left will live forever on a paradise earth.
>>>>>
>>>>>If God corrects all His errors there will be no need for judgment.
>>>>
>>>>God hasn't made any errors.
>>>
>>>You might want to rethink that because the only alternative to God
>>>making errors is that God deliberately and maliciously chose to create
>>>us in such a way that we would suffer.
>>
>>Would you like to live in a universe where wicked deeds are never
>>punished? Where if they attacked you, they would always get away with
>>it? God apparently built within Adam (and Eve) a punishment for
>>disobedience. And, through genetics, that was passed on to everyone
>>else.
>
>God built into Adam the need to disobey so He would have
>an excuse to punish him?
No. When Adam was created he was perfect, and had no such desires. He
likely ate the forbidden fruit to join his wife. But that is just my
speculation.
Since when did humans ever get along without wars? Never. The only way
for peace and harmony is by God's Kingdom:
(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets mine]
Alright here is a 'cop in' proof:
Look in a mirror. What do you see staring back at you? A quite
sophisticated anatomically flesh and blood and bone robot-type being.
You came from a supernatural being. Without God, you never would have
existed. Thus you are supernatural. They try to build robots mimicking
us, but have a long way to go yet.
Sincerely James
government misdeeds
>
>>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>
>>>>>What errors?
>>>>
>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>
>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>
>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>can revise it.
>
>You wrote,
>"God will correct all errors"
>
>>>>>>>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>>>>>>>this action?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
>>>>>>time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
>>>>>>(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>>>>>
>>>>>That could explain why God does not understand his own creation.
>>>>
>>>>He understands it so much, that humans can't figure it out.
>>>
>>>Are you saying God deceives us?
>>
>>Humans deceive, God relieves.
>
>Why would God feel the need to deceive us?
>
>>>>>>>>>You appear to be saying God has never cared about us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That is your extremism working again. A quick look in Genesis and
>>>>>>>>other OT books shows how God cared for His servants in the past. But
>>>>>>>>wicked ones He punished.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Did you write,
>>>>>>>"The "almighty caring creator" thing won't start until God's day
>>>>>>>arrives."?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't know exactly. But what I meant was that God won't correct ALL
>>>>>>the problems until His day of judgment arrives.
>>>>>
>>>>>gotquestions.org say God caused all the problems so He could show
>>>>>off His power. Does that sound like the sort of dictator we want?
>>>>
>>>>Of course not. But you are listening to a pack of lies. Read the Bible
>>>>yourself to get the TRUE Bible information.
>>>>
>>>>(Deuteronomy 32:4) The Rock, perfect is his activity, For all his ways
>>>>are justice. A God of faithfulness who is never unjust; Righteous and
>>>>upright is he.
>>>
>>>Is that the sort of God we have?
>>
>>Of course.
>
>You did say God created an evil being then abandoned us to
>that evil being.
(James 1:13) When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by
God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself
try anyone.
>
>>>>>>>>>>He has set a time for judgment. That time is shortly to come.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What would you expect God to do following his judgment?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Make this earth a paradise. Provide for all the needs of God's
>>>>>>>>servants. Make every day a pleasure to look forward to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No free will then?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why wouldn't there still be free will?
>>>>>
>>>>>Is it possible for us to have free will while God is making everything
>>>>>good?
>>>>
>>>>Most certainly.
>>>
>>>We are told God must allow suffering in order for us to have
>>>free will.
>>>If you are right God is without excuse.
>>
>>Who told you that? The Devil? I wouldn't be surprised. Adam and Eve
>>had free will when first put in the Garden of Eden. And they were not
>>suffering then
>
>Was God making everything good for them?
just one yellow one. And being told you can eat all of them except the
yellow one. The same with Adam and those trees.
>
>>>>>>>>>>He won't fully repair human affairs till then.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>How will God repair human affairs?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>He will replace all of man's weak governments with His powerful
>>>>>>>>kingdom government. He will remove ALL imperfections from our flesh
>>>>>>>>and mind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That appears to contradict what you said before about God not
>>>>>>>amending His design because it is already perfect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You don't have your English tense right. It should be "because it WAS
>>>>>>already perfect." It was perfect at the time of creation. But not now.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did God change his design?
>>>>
>>>>God hasn't been doing designs since He created Adam. We are now
>>>>getting our human body from genetics only.
>>>
>>>Why did God create Adam that way?
>>
>>Nobody knows WHY God did what He did. He didn't create the angels this
>>way because they were not born from a female angel. They were all
>>directly created by God. But he made humans to be born through
>>genetics.
>
>God created Satan directly?
>
>>>>>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>>>
>>>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>>>
>>>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>>>
>>>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>>>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>>>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>>
>>And cows can fly. (I guess so in tornadoes)
>
>Nobody knows WHY God does what He does.
>
>>>>>>>>All humans that survive His judgments can live
>>>>>>>>forever under perfect conditions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If God removes ALL imperfections from our flesh and mind
>>>>>>>we will all meet God's requirements.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Exactly.
>>>>>
>>>>>That would be best for everybody.
>>>>
>>>>Of course.
>>>
>>>We are agreed, then, that God must amend his design.
>>>Now it's up to you to convince God of that.
>>>Appeal to God's good side.
>>
>>You can't amend perfection. But you can revise it.
>
>You are limiting God.
>
>>>>>>But He will judge the living wicked first. And after 1000
>>>>>>years and the dead have been resurrected, and the removing of
>>>>>>imperfections, there will be a final judgment. Then after that, those
>>>>>>that are left will live forever on a paradise earth.
>>>>>
>>>>>If God corrects all His errors there will be no need for judgment.
>>>>
>>>>God hasn't made any errors.
>>>
>>>You might want to rethink that because the only alternative to God
>>>making errors is that God deliberately and maliciously chose to create
>>>us in such a way that we would suffer.
>>
>>Would you like to live in a universe where wicked deeds are never
>>punished? Where if they attacked you, they would always get away with
>>it? God apparently built within Adam (and Eve) a punishment for
>>disobedience. And, through genetics, that was passed on to everyone
>>else.
>
>God built into Adam the need to disobey so He would have
>an excuse to punish him?
likely ate the forbidden fruit to join his wife. But that is just my
speculation.
for peace and harmony is by God's Kingdom:
(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets mine]
Look in a mirror. What do you see staring back at you? A quite
sophisticated anatomically flesh and blood and bone robot-type being.
You came from a supernatural being. Without God, you never would have
existed. Thus you are supernatural. They try to build robots mimicking
us, but have a long way to go yet.
Sincerely James
government misdeeds
Lucifer
Jun 18, 2022, 7:29:38 PM6/18/22
to
>>>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What errors?
>>>>>
>>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>>
>>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>>
>>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>>can revise it.
>>
>>You wrote,
>>"God will correct all errors"
>
>Yes, all the errors produced by Adam's disobedience.
gotquestions.org says God caused the fall so He could show
off His power.
>>>>>>>>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>>>>>>>>this action?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
>>>>>>>time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
>>>>>>>(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That could explain why God does not understand his own creation.
>>>>>
>>>>>He understands it so much, that humans can't figure it out.
>>>>
>>>>Are you saying God deceives us?
>>>
>>>Humans deceive, God relieves.
>>
>>Why would God feel the need to deceive us?
>
>He wouldn't. (see Jas 1:13)
>>>>>>>>>>>He won't fully repair human affairs till then.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>How will God repair human affairs?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>He will replace all of man's weak governments with His powerful
>>>>>>>>>kingdom government. He will remove ALL imperfections from our flesh
>>>>>>>>>and mind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That appears to contradict what you said before about God not
>>>>>>>>amending His design because it is already perfect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You don't have your English tense right. It should be "because it WAS
>>>>>>>already perfect." It was perfect at the time of creation. But not now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why did God change his design?
>>>>>
>>>>>God hasn't been doing designs since He created Adam. We are now
>>>>>getting our human body from genetics only.
>>>>
>>>>Why did God create Adam that way?
>>>
>>>Nobody knows WHY God did what He did. He didn't create the angels this
>>>way because they were not born from a female angel. They were all
>>>directly created by God. But he made humans to be born through
>>>genetics.
>>
>>God created Satan directly?
>
>Yes, but at that time, he was a righteous angel.
>>>>>>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>>>>
>>>>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>>>>
>>>>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>>>>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>>>>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>>>
>>>And cows can fly. (I guess so in tornadoes)
>>
>>Nobody knows WHY God does what He does.
>
>Can an ant build a skyscraper?
>>>>>>>>>All humans that survive His judgments can live
>>>>>>>>>forever under perfect conditions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If God removes ALL imperfections from our flesh and mind
>>>>>>>>we will all meet God's requirements.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Exactly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That would be best for everybody.
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course.
>>>>
>>>>We are agreed, then, that God must amend his design.
>>>>Now it's up to you to convince God of that.
>>>>Appeal to God's good side.
>>>
>>>You can't amend perfection. But you can revise it.
>>
>>You are limiting God.
>
>On the contrary, I am expanding His many powers.
>>>>>>>But He will judge the living wicked first. And after 1000
>>>>>>>years and the dead have been resurrected, and the removing of
>>>>>>>imperfections, there will be a final judgment. Then after that, those
>>>>>>>that are left will live forever on a paradise earth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If God corrects all His errors there will be no need for judgment.
>>>>>
>>>>>God hasn't made any errors.
>>>>
>>>>You might want to rethink that because the only alternative to God
>>>>making errors is that God deliberately and maliciously chose to create
>>>>us in such a way that we would suffer.
>>>
>>>Would you like to live in a universe where wicked deeds are never
>>>punished? Where if they attacked you, they would always get away with
>>>it? God apparently built within Adam (and Eve) a punishment for
>>>disobedience. And, through genetics, that was passed on to everyone
>>>else.
>>
>>God built into Adam the need to disobey so He would have
>>an excuse to punish him?
>
>No. When Adam was created he was perfect, and had no such desires. He
>likely ate the forbidden fruit to join his wife. But that is just my
>speculation.
>Never. The only way for peace and harmony is by God's Kingdom:
>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets mine]
We are not the only animals that war against their own and
other species.
>You came from a supernatural being. Without God, you never would have
>existed. Thus you are supernatural. They try to build robots mimicking
>us, but have a long way to go yet.
>Sincerely James
>government misdeeds
>See what the Bible says
zeb...@windstream.net
Jun 22, 2022, 2:16:07 PM6/22/22
to
On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 09:29:32 +1000, Lucifer
I don't know. Let's take a look:
revise= 1. re-examine and make alterations to (written or printed
matter).
amend= make minor changes in (a text) in order to make it fairer, more
accurate, or more up-to-date.
So the main difference is that to "amend" is to make a minor change.
To "revise" is to make larger changes.
Thus to might revise a whole chapter in a book, but amend only the
last sentence.
>
>>>>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What errors?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>>>
>>>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>>>
>>>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>>>can revise it.
>>>
>>>You wrote,
>>>"God will correct all errors"
>>
>>Yes, all the errors produced by Adam's disobedience.
>
>What was God's good purpose in creating Adam that way?
"that way" occurred AFTER Adam sinned. Thus Adam caused it.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even when they are wrong.
>
>>>>>>>>>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>>>>>>>>>this action?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
>>>>>>>>time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
>>>>>>>>(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That could explain why God does not understand his own creation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He understands it so much, that humans can't figure it out.
>>>>>
>>>>>Are you saying God deceives us?
>>>>
>>>>Humans deceive, God relieves.
>>>
>>>Why would God feel the need to deceive us?
>>
>>He wouldn't. (see Jas 1:13)
>
>Is the bible unambiguous?
unambiguous= not open to more than one interpretation.
Very true.
You didn't spell the word correctly: "did" should be "Didn't"
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>He has set a time for judgment. That time is shortly to come.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What would you expect God to do following his judgment?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Make this earth a paradise. Provide for all the needs of God's
>>>>>>>>>>servants. Make every day a pleasure to look forward to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No free will then?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why wouldn't there still be free will?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Is it possible for us to have free will while God is making everything
>>>>>>>good?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Most certainly.
>>>>>
>>>>>We are told God must allow suffering in order for us to have
>>>>>free will.
>>>>>If you are right God is without excuse.
>>>>
>>>>Who told you that? The Devil? I wouldn't be surprised. Adam and Eve
>>>>had free will when first put in the Garden of Eden. And they were not
>>>>suffering then
>>>
>>>Was God making everything good for them?
>>
>>Absolutely. It would be like opening a package of M&M's and finding
>>just one yellow one. And being told you can eat all of them except the
>>yellow one. The same with Adam and those trees.
>
>The important thing is God prevented anything bad happening.
God gave them free will. And He has the right to 'judge' that free
will.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>He won't fully repair human affairs till then.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>How will God repair human affairs?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>He will replace all of man's weak governments with His powerful
>>>>>>>>>>kingdom government. He will remove ALL imperfections from our flesh
>>>>>>>>>>and mind.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That appears to contradict what you said before about God not
>>>>>>>>>amending His design because it is already perfect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You don't have your English tense right. It should be "because it WAS
>>>>>>>>already perfect." It was perfect at the time of creation. But not now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did God change his design?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God hasn't been doing designs since He created Adam. We are now
>>>>>>getting our human body from genetics only.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did God create Adam that way?
>>>>
>>>>Nobody knows WHY God did what He did. He didn't create the angels this
>>>>way because they were not born from a female angel. They were all
>>>>directly created by God. But he made humans to be born through
>>>>genetics.
>>>
>>>God created Satan directly?
>>
>>Yes, but at that time, he was a righteous angel.
>
>Why is Satan not given a chance to defend himself?
He has had over 6000 years to defend himself. But instead, he has
incriminated himself over and over.
>
>>>>>>>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>>>>>
>>>>>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>>>>>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>>>>>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>>>>
>>>>And cows can fly. (I guess so in tornadoes)
>>>
>>>Nobody knows WHY God does what He does.
>>
>>Can an ant build a skyscraper?
>
>They do, in relative terms.
Can an ant build a human size skyscraper?
>
>>>>>>>>>>All humans that survive His judgments can live
>>>>>>>>>>forever under perfect conditions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If God removes ALL imperfections from our flesh and mind
>>>>>>>>>we will all meet God's requirements.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Exactly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That would be best for everybody.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Of course.
>>>>>
>>>>>We are agreed, then, that God must amend his design.
>>>>>Now it's up to you to convince God of that.
>>>>>Appeal to God's good side.
>>>>
>>>>You can't amend perfection. But you can revise it.
>>>
>>>You are limiting God.
>>
>>On the contrary, I am expanding His many powers.
>
>Can you give God the ability to amend His design?
I can't do better than perfection.
>
>>>>>>>>But He will judge the living wicked first. And after 1000
>>>>>>>>years and the dead have been resurrected, and the removing of
>>>>>>>>imperfections, there will be a final judgment. Then after that, those
>>>>>>>>that are left will live forever on a paradise earth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If God corrects all His errors there will be no need for judgment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God hasn't made any errors.
>>>>>
>>>>>You might want to rethink that because the only alternative to God
>>>>>making errors is that God deliberately and maliciously chose to create
>>>>>us in such a way that we would suffer.
>>>>
>>>>Would you like to live in a universe where wicked deeds are never
>>>>punished? Where if they attacked you, they would always get away with
>>>>it? God apparently built within Adam (and Eve) a punishment for
>>>>disobedience. And, through genetics, that was passed on to everyone
>>>>else.
>>>
>>>God built into Adam the need to disobey so He would have
>>>an excuse to punish him?
>>
>>No. When Adam was created he was perfect, and had no such desires. He
>>likely ate the forbidden fruit to join his wife. But that is just my
>>speculation.
>
>That's called misogyny. It's never the man's fault.
That is so wrong! If Adam would have obeyed God, we would be living a
different life today. The Bible says the woman was fooled by Satan.
But Adam was not. He WILLFULLY disobeyed God while knowing the whole
situation. Thus next to Satan, he was the main fault.
That is just one window viewing that situation, there might have been
wars going on somewhere at that time.
>
>>Never. The only way for peace and harmony is by God's Kingdom:
>
>Has there ever been peace and harmony under God's kingdom?
Good question. The early parts of the Bible is full of wars, aren't
they. Why would God have the Israelites war with other nations? Well,
one thing those foreign nations did was to sacrifice their children in
a fire to their false god. God did a lot of judging then, and that was
why the wars.
Today God's judgments are mainly yet future. He is not now destroying
the wicked, but will do so in the immediate future. But one of the
Psalms says He will end all wars forever. (see below) That will be
accomplished through God's Kingdom. (government-- Mt 24:14)
>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
eat the apple.
God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
king.
>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>other species.
But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
don't.
Yes, compared to the lower creations, we seem that way.
>
>>You came from a supernatural being. Without God, you never would have
>>existed. Thus you are supernatural. They try to build robots mimicking
>>us, but have a long way to go yet.
>
>I look forward to your proof. Perhaps in your reply.
Remember the space shuttle? That was the most complicated piece of
equipment mankind ever created. And there are millions of parts that
have to be pieced together in just the right place.
Now take all those millions of parts, and toss them off a high
mountain. What are the odds that they would all fall together and
build the space shuttle?
Yet we are even more complicated. Yet the 'brains' of today say that
random chance put us together? Yes, we are supernatural. We did not
come together by natural events. We were created by a supernatural
being.
>
>>Sincerely James
>>government misdeeds
>>See what the Bible says
>
>Bible says everything is always just as God wants it.
To "want" is not the same as to "do".
Sincerely James
government misdeeds to end
revise= 1. re-examine and make alterations to (written or printed
matter).
amend= make minor changes in (a text) in order to make it fairer, more
accurate, or more up-to-date.
So the main difference is that to "amend" is to make a minor change.
To "revise" is to make larger changes.
Thus to might revise a whole chapter in a book, but amend only the
last sentence.
>
>>>>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What errors?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>>>
>>>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>>>
>>>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>>>can revise it.
>>>
>>>You wrote,
>>>"God will correct all errors"
>>
>>Yes, all the errors produced by Adam's disobedience.
>
>What was God's good purpose in creating Adam that way?
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even when they are wrong.
>
>>>>>>>>>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>>>>>>>>>this action?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
>>>>>>>>time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
>>>>>>>>(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That could explain why God does not understand his own creation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He understands it so much, that humans can't figure it out.
>>>>>
>>>>>Are you saying God deceives us?
>>>>
>>>>Humans deceive, God relieves.
>>>
>>>Why would God feel the need to deceive us?
>>
>>He wouldn't. (see Jas 1:13)
>
>Is the bible unambiguous?
Very true.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>He has set a time for judgment. That time is shortly to come.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What would you expect God to do following his judgment?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Make this earth a paradise. Provide for all the needs of God's
>>>>>>>>>>servants. Make every day a pleasure to look forward to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No free will then?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why wouldn't there still be free will?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Is it possible for us to have free will while God is making everything
>>>>>>>good?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Most certainly.
>>>>>
>>>>>We are told God must allow suffering in order for us to have
>>>>>free will.
>>>>>If you are right God is without excuse.
>>>>
>>>>Who told you that? The Devil? I wouldn't be surprised. Adam and Eve
>>>>had free will when first put in the Garden of Eden. And they were not
>>>>suffering then
>>>
>>>Was God making everything good for them?
>>
>>Absolutely. It would be like opening a package of M&M's and finding
>>just one yellow one. And being told you can eat all of them except the
>>yellow one. The same with Adam and those trees.
>
>The important thing is God prevented anything bad happening.
will.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>He won't fully repair human affairs till then.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>How will God repair human affairs?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>He will replace all of man's weak governments with His powerful
>>>>>>>>>>kingdom government. He will remove ALL imperfections from our flesh
>>>>>>>>>>and mind.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That appears to contradict what you said before about God not
>>>>>>>>>amending His design because it is already perfect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You don't have your English tense right. It should be "because it WAS
>>>>>>>>already perfect." It was perfect at the time of creation. But not now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did God change his design?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God hasn't been doing designs since He created Adam. We are now
>>>>>>getting our human body from genetics only.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did God create Adam that way?
>>>>
>>>>Nobody knows WHY God did what He did. He didn't create the angels this
>>>>way because they were not born from a female angel. They were all
>>>>directly created by God. But he made humans to be born through
>>>>genetics.
>>>
>>>God created Satan directly?
>>
>>Yes, but at that time, he was a righteous angel.
>
>Why is Satan not given a chance to defend himself?
incriminated himself over and over.
>
>>>>>>>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>>>>>
>>>>>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>>>>>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>>>>>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>>>>
>>>>And cows can fly. (I guess so in tornadoes)
>>>
>>>Nobody knows WHY God does what He does.
>>
>>Can an ant build a skyscraper?
>
>They do, in relative terms.
>
>>>>>>>>>>All humans that survive His judgments can live
>>>>>>>>>>forever under perfect conditions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If God removes ALL imperfections from our flesh and mind
>>>>>>>>>we will all meet God's requirements.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Exactly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That would be best for everybody.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Of course.
>>>>>
>>>>>We are agreed, then, that God must amend his design.
>>>>>Now it's up to you to convince God of that.
>>>>>Appeal to God's good side.
>>>>
>>>>You can't amend perfection. But you can revise it.
>>>
>>>You are limiting God.
>>
>>On the contrary, I am expanding His many powers.
>
>Can you give God the ability to amend His design?
>
>>>>>>>>But He will judge the living wicked first. And after 1000
>>>>>>>>years and the dead have been resurrected, and the removing of
>>>>>>>>imperfections, there will be a final judgment. Then after that, those
>>>>>>>>that are left will live forever on a paradise earth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If God corrects all His errors there will be no need for judgment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God hasn't made any errors.
>>>>>
>>>>>You might want to rethink that because the only alternative to God
>>>>>making errors is that God deliberately and maliciously chose to create
>>>>>us in such a way that we would suffer.
>>>>
>>>>Would you like to live in a universe where wicked deeds are never
>>>>punished? Where if they attacked you, they would always get away with
>>>>it? God apparently built within Adam (and Eve) a punishment for
>>>>disobedience. And, through genetics, that was passed on to everyone
>>>>else.
>>>
>>>God built into Adam the need to disobey so He would have
>>>an excuse to punish him?
>>
>>No. When Adam was created he was perfect, and had no such desires. He
>>likely ate the forbidden fruit to join his wife. But that is just my
>>speculation.
>
>That's called misogyny. It's never the man's fault.
different life today. The Bible says the woman was fooled by Satan.
But Adam was not. He WILLFULLY disobeyed God while knowing the whole
situation. Thus next to Satan, he was the main fault.
wars going on somewhere at that time.
>
>>Never. The only way for peace and harmony is by God's Kingdom:
>
>Has there ever been peace and harmony under God's kingdom?
they. Why would God have the Israelites war with other nations? Well,
one thing those foreign nations did was to sacrifice their children in
a fire to their false god. God did a lot of judging then, and that was
why the wars.
Today God's judgments are mainly yet future. He is not now destroying
the wicked, but will do so in the immediate future. But one of the
Psalms says He will end all wars forever. (see below) That will be
accomplished through God's Kingdom. (government-- Mt 24:14)
>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>
>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
eat the apple.
God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
king.
>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>other species.
don't.
>
>>You came from a supernatural being. Without God, you never would have
>>existed. Thus you are supernatural. They try to build robots mimicking
>>us, but have a long way to go yet.
>
>I look forward to your proof. Perhaps in your reply.
equipment mankind ever created. And there are millions of parts that
have to be pieced together in just the right place.
Now take all those millions of parts, and toss them off a high
mountain. What are the odds that they would all fall together and
build the space shuttle?
Yet we are even more complicated. Yet the 'brains' of today say that
random chance put us together? Yes, we are supernatural. We did not
come together by natural events. We were created by a supernatural
being.
>
>>Sincerely James
>>government misdeeds
>>See what the Bible says
>
>Bible says everything is always just as God wants it.
Sincerely James
government misdeeds to end
See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org
Lucifer
Jun 22, 2022, 5:04:01 PM6/22/22
to
Where does that idea come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What errors?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>>>>
>>>>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>>>>can revise it.
>>>>
>>>>You wrote,
>>>>"God will correct all errors"
>>>
>>>Yes, all the errors produced by Adam's disobedience.
>>
>>What was God's good purpose in creating Adam that way?
>
>"that way" occurred AFTER Adam sinned. Thus Adam caused it.
I'm asking,
What was God's good purpose in using Adam to downgrade us?
>>gotquestions.org says God caused the fall so He could show
>>off His power.
>
>Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even when they are wrong.
>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>>>>>>>>>>this action?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
>>>>>>>>>time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
>>>>>>>>>(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That could explain why God does not understand his own creation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He understands it so much, that humans can't figure it out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Are you saying God deceives us?
>>>>>
>>>>>Humans deceive, God relieves.
>>>>
>>>>Why would God feel the need to deceive us?
>>>
>>>He wouldn't. (see Jas 1:13)
>>
>>Is the bible unambiguous?
>
>unambiguous= not open to more than one interpretation.
>
>Very true.
God will assess how He did with creation to see what He needs
to revise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>He won't fully repair human affairs till then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>How will God repair human affairs?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>He will replace all of man's weak governments with His powerful
>>>>>>>>>>>kingdom government. He will remove ALL imperfections from our flesh
>>>>>>>>>>>and mind.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That appears to contradict what you said before about God not
>>>>>>>>>>amending His design because it is already perfect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You don't have your English tense right. It should be "because it WAS
>>>>>>>>>already perfect." It was perfect at the time of creation. But not now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why did God change his design?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God hasn't been doing designs since He created Adam. We are now
>>>>>>>getting our human body from genetics only.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why did God create Adam that way?
>>>>>
>>>>>Nobody knows WHY God did what He did. He didn't create the angels this
>>>>>way because they were not born from a female angel. They were all
>>>>>directly created by God. But he made humans to be born through
>>>>>genetics.
>>>>
>>>>God created Satan directly?
>>>
>>>Yes, but at that time, he was a righteous angel.
>>
>>Why is Satan not given a chance to defend himself?
>
>He has had over 6000 years to defend himself. But instead, he has
>incriminated himself over and over.
>>>>>>>>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>>>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>>>>>>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>>>>>>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>>>>>
>>>>>And cows can fly. (I guess so in tornadoes)
>>>>
>>>>Nobody knows WHY God does what He does.
>>>
>>>Can an ant build a skyscraper?
>>
>>They do, in relative terms.
>
>Can an ant build a human size skyscraper?
Why do you ask?
>>>>>>>>>>>All humans that survive His judgments can live
>>>>>>>>>>>forever under perfect conditions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If God removes ALL imperfections from our flesh and mind
>>>>>>>>>>we will all meet God's requirements.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Exactly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That would be best for everybody.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Of course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We are agreed, then, that God must amend his design.
>>>>>>Now it's up to you to convince God of that.
>>>>>>Appeal to God's good side.
>>>>>
>>>>>You can't amend perfection. But you can revise it.
>>>>
>>>>You are limiting God.
>>>
>>>On the contrary, I am expanding His many powers.
>>
>>Can you give God the ability to amend His design?
>
>I can't do better than perfection.
>>>>>>>>>But He will judge the living wicked first. And after 1000
>>>>>>>>>years and the dead have been resurrected, and the removing of
>>>>>>>>>imperfections, there will be a final judgment. Then after that, those
>>>>>>>>>that are left will live forever on a paradise earth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If God corrects all His errors there will be no need for judgment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God hasn't made any errors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You might want to rethink that because the only alternative to God
>>>>>>making errors is that God deliberately and maliciously chose to create
>>>>>>us in such a way that we would suffer.
>>>>>
>>>>>Would you like to live in a universe where wicked deeds are never
>>>>>punished? Where if they attacked you, they would always get away with
>>>>>it? God apparently built within Adam (and Eve) a punishment for
>>>>>disobedience. And, through genetics, that was passed on to everyone
>>>>>else.
>>>>
>>>>God built into Adam the need to disobey so He would have
>>>>an excuse to punish him?
>>>
>>>No. When Adam was created he was perfect, and had no such desires. He
>>>likely ate the forbidden fruit to join his wife. But that is just my
>>>speculation.
>>
>>That's called misogyny. It's never the man's fault.
>
>That is so wrong! If Adam would have obeyed God, we would be living a
>different life today. The Bible says the woman was fooled by Satan.
>But Adam was not. He WILLFULLY disobeyed God while knowing the whole
>situation. Thus next to Satan, he was the main fault.
but God does have faults.
Do you think God is incapable of overcoming His faults?
>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>
>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>
>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>eat the apple.
>
>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>king.
>
>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>other species.
>
>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>don't.
>>>Sincerely James
>>>government misdeeds
>>>See what the Bible says
>>
>>Bible says everything is always just as God wants it.
>
>To "want" is not the same as to "do".
zeb...@windstream.net
Jun 22, 2022, 9:18:30 PM6/22/22
to
On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 07:03:55 +1000, Lucifer
The Bible shows that God can do anything He wants to do. That is why
His name, Jehovah, means "He causes to become".
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What errors?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>>>>>can revise it.
>>>>>
>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>"God will correct all errors"
>>>>
>>>>Yes, all the errors produced by Adam's disobedience.
>>>
>>>What was God's good purpose in creating Adam that way?
>>
>>"that way" occurred AFTER Adam sinned. Thus Adam caused it.
>
>You said everything God does since infinity is good.
Yes. When God DOES it, it always occurs.
>I'm asking,
>What was God's good purpose in using Adam to downgrade us?
God tested Adam's loyalty.
>
>>>gotquestions.org says God caused the fall so He could show
>>>off His power.
>>
>>Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even when they are wrong.
>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>>>>>>>>>>>this action?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
>>>>>>>>>>time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
>>>>>>>>>>(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That could explain why God does not understand his own creation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>He understands it so much, that humans can't figure it out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Are you saying God deceives us?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Humans deceive, God relieves.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why would God feel the need to deceive us?
>>>>
>>>>He wouldn't. (see Jas 1:13)
>>>
>>>Is the bible unambiguous?
>>
>>unambiguous= not open to more than one interpretation.
>>
>>Very true.
>
>Is the bible unambiguous?
Yes
Sorry, but you are wrong again. James 1:13,
(James 1:13) When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by
God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself
try anyone.
>
He don't need to revise anything.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>He won't fully repair human affairs till then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>How will God repair human affairs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>He will replace all of man's weak governments with His powerful
>>>>>>>>>>>>kingdom government. He will remove ALL imperfections from our flesh
>>>>>>>>>>>>and mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>That appears to contradict what you said before about God not
>>>>>>>>>>>amending His design because it is already perfect.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You don't have your English tense right. It should be "because it WAS
>>>>>>>>>>already perfect." It was perfect at the time of creation. But not now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Why did God change his design?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God hasn't been doing designs since He created Adam. We are now
>>>>>>>>getting our human body from genetics only.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did God create Adam that way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nobody knows WHY God did what He did. He didn't create the angels this
>>>>>>way because they were not born from a female angel. They were all
>>>>>>directly created by God. But he made humans to be born through
>>>>>>genetics.
>>>>>
>>>>>God created Satan directly?
>>>>
>>>>Yes, but at that time, he was a righteous angel.
>>>
>>>Why is Satan not given a chance to defend himself?
>>
>>He has had over 6000 years to defend himself. But instead, he has
>>incriminated himself over and over.
>
>Please give some examples of Satan incriminating himself.
1. By telling Eve she would not die if she ate the forbidden fruit.
2. By telling Job, people only served God because He gives them
things.
3. By Satan attacking each one of us occasionally.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>>>>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>>>>>>>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>>>>>>>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And cows can fly. (I guess so in tornadoes)
>>>>>
>>>>>Nobody knows WHY God does what He does.
>>>>
>>>>Can an ant build a skyscraper?
>>>
>>>They do, in relative terms.
>>
>>Can an ant build a human size skyscraper?
>
>Probably not.
>Why do you ask?
It would take something like that to happen in order to figure out why
You don't understand me correctly.
Since He has no faults, the question is moot.
>
>>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>
>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>
>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>eat the apple.
>>
>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>king.
>>
>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>other species.
>>
>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>don't.
>
>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
conscience, and then commit wrongs.
Just look in a mirror. Look out your front window, etc.
Sincerely James
government misdeeds to end
His name, Jehovah, means "He causes to become".
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What errors?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>>>>>can revise it.
>>>>>
>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>"God will correct all errors"
>>>>
>>>>Yes, all the errors produced by Adam's disobedience.
>>>
>>>What was God's good purpose in creating Adam that way?
>>
>>"that way" occurred AFTER Adam sinned. Thus Adam caused it.
>
>You said everything God does since infinity is good.
>I'm asking,
>What was God's good purpose in using Adam to downgrade us?
>
>>>gotquestions.org says God caused the fall so He could show
>>>off His power.
>>
>>Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even when they are wrong.
>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>>>>>>>>>>>this action?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
>>>>>>>>>>time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
>>>>>>>>>>(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That could explain why God does not understand his own creation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>He understands it so much, that humans can't figure it out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Are you saying God deceives us?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Humans deceive, God relieves.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why would God feel the need to deceive us?
>>>>
>>>>He wouldn't. (see Jas 1:13)
>>>
>>>Is the bible unambiguous?
>>
>>unambiguous= not open to more than one interpretation.
>>
>>Very true.
>
>Is the bible unambiguous?
(James 1:13) When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by
God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself
try anyone.
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>He won't fully repair human affairs till then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>How will God repair human affairs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>He will replace all of man's weak governments with His powerful
>>>>>>>>>>>>kingdom government. He will remove ALL imperfections from our flesh
>>>>>>>>>>>>and mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>That appears to contradict what you said before about God not
>>>>>>>>>>>amending His design because it is already perfect.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You don't have your English tense right. It should be "because it WAS
>>>>>>>>>>already perfect." It was perfect at the time of creation. But not now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Why did God change his design?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God hasn't been doing designs since He created Adam. We are now
>>>>>>>>getting our human body from genetics only.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did God create Adam that way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nobody knows WHY God did what He did. He didn't create the angels this
>>>>>>way because they were not born from a female angel. They were all
>>>>>>directly created by God. But he made humans to be born through
>>>>>>genetics.
>>>>>
>>>>>God created Satan directly?
>>>>
>>>>Yes, but at that time, he was a righteous angel.
>>>
>>>Why is Satan not given a chance to defend himself?
>>
>>He has had over 6000 years to defend himself. But instead, he has
>>incriminated himself over and over.
>
>Please give some examples of Satan incriminating himself.
2. By telling Job, people only served God because He gives them
things.
3. By Satan attacking each one of us occasionally.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>>>>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>>>>>>>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>>>>>>>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And cows can fly. (I guess so in tornadoes)
>>>>>
>>>>>Nobody knows WHY God does what He does.
>>>>
>>>>Can an ant build a skyscraper?
>>>
>>>They do, in relative terms.
>>
>>Can an ant build a human size skyscraper?
>
>Probably not.
>Why do you ask?
God does what He does.
>
>
>
>>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>
>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>
>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>eat the apple.
>>
>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>king.
>>
>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>other species.
>>
>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>don't.
>
>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>
>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>government misdeeds
>>>>See what the Bible says
>>>
>>>Bible says everything is always just as God wants it.
>>
>>To "want" is not the same as to "do".
>
>In God's case it is.
You left out the last word "not".
>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>government misdeeds
>>>>See what the Bible says
>>>
>>>Bible says everything is always just as God wants it.
>>
>>To "want" is not the same as to "do".
>
>In God's case it is.
Sincerely James
government misdeeds to end
See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org
Lucifer
Jun 23, 2022, 3:39:50 AM6/23/22
to
You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
Where does that idea come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What errors?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>>>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>>>>>>can revise it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>"God will correct all errors"
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, all the errors produced by Adam's disobedience.
>>>>
>>>>What was God's good purpose in creating Adam that way?
>>>
>>>"that way" occurred AFTER Adam sinned. Thus Adam caused it.
>>
>>You said everything God does since infinity is good.
>
>Yes. When God DOES it, it always occurs.
God "does" everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What errors?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>>>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>>>>>>can revise it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>"God will correct all errors"
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, all the errors produced by Adam's disobedience.
>>>>
>>>>What was God's good purpose in creating Adam that way?
>>>
>>>"that way" occurred AFTER Adam sinned. Thus Adam caused it.
>>
>>You said everything God does since infinity is good.
>
>Yes. When God DOES it, it always occurs.
>>I'm asking,
>>What was God's good purpose in using Adam to downgrade us?
>
>God tested Adam's loyalty.
>>>>gotquestions.org says God caused the fall so He could show
>>>>off His power.
>>>
>>>Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even when they are wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>>>>>>>>>>>>this action?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
>>>>>>>>>>>time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
>>>>>>>>>>>(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That could explain why God does not understand his own creation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>He understands it so much, that humans can't figure it out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Are you saying God deceives us?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Humans deceive, God relieves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why would God feel the need to deceive us?
>>>>>
>>>>>He wouldn't. (see Jas 1:13)
>>>>
>>>>Is the bible unambiguous?
>>>
>>>unambiguous= not open to more than one interpretation.
>>>
>>>Very true.
>>
>>Is the bible unambiguous?
>
>Yes
You say God will revise things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>>>>>>>>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>>>>>>>>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And cows can fly. (I guess so in tornadoes)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nobody knows WHY God does what He does.
>>>>>
>>>>>Can an ant build a skyscraper?
>>>>
>>>>They do, in relative terms.
>>>
>>>Can an ant build a human size skyscraper?
>>
>>Probably not.
>>Why do you ask?
>
>It would take something like that to happen in order to figure out why
>God does what He does.
Obviously a created being can't be blamed.
The blame must go back to the creator of everything.
>>>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>
>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>
>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>eat the apple.
>>>
>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>king.
>>>
>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>other species.
>>>
>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>don't.
>>
>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>
>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>government misdeeds
>>>>>See what the Bible says
>>>>
>>>>Bible says everything is always just as God wants it.
>>>
>>>To "want" is not the same as to "do".
>>
>>In God's case it is.
>
>You left out the last word "not".
"The Bible shows that God can do anything He wants to do."
>Sincerely James
>government misdeeds to end
You misspelled God
>government misdeeds to end
zeb...@windstream.net
Jun 25, 2022, 4:23:58 AM6/25/22
to
On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 17:39:44 +1000, Lucifer
Not a chance.
>
>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>Where does that idea come from?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What errors?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>>>>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>>>>>>>can revise it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>"God will correct all errors"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, all the errors produced by Adam's disobedience.
>>>>>
>>>>>What was God's good purpose in creating Adam that way?
>>>>
>>>>"that way" occurred AFTER Adam sinned. Thus Adam caused it.
>>>
>>>You said everything God does since infinity is good.
>>
>>Yes. When God DOES it, it always occurs.
>
>God "does" everything.
Explain please.
>
>>>I'm asking,
>>>What was God's good purpose in using Adam to downgrade us?
>>
>>God tested Adam's loyalty.
>
>Does God not know how He made Adam?
Yes, but by giving him free will, He didn't always know what Adam
would do.
>
>>>>>gotquestions.org says God caused the fall so He could show
>>>>>off His power.
>>>>
>>>>Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even when they are wrong.
>
>They claim to glorify God.
Who does?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>>>>>>>>>>>>>this action?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
>>>>>>>>>>>>time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>That could explain why God does not understand his own creation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>He understands it so much, that humans can't figure it out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Are you saying God deceives us?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Humans deceive, God relieves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why would God feel the need to deceive us?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He wouldn't. (see Jas 1:13)
>>>>>
>>>>>Is the bible unambiguous?
>>>>
>>>>unambiguous= not open to more than one interpretation.
>>>>
>>>>Very true.
>>>
>>>Is the bible unambiguous?
>>
>>Yes
>
> The bible is open to many interpretations.
That is so unbelievers can do what they want, and deny Bible truths.
The Bible is a test. It is a test for those with the proper heart
condition and those who don't have it.
His description wasn't a "Satan" then. He had a personal name. The
Bible don't give it. He was a righteous angel when God directly
created him. But he was envious of God, and wanted to be worshipped
like God was.
The one we now call "Jesus" was the first creation, The spirit
creature now known as "Satan", might have been the second. He
apparently was quite beautiful in appearance and powerful at his
start.
He will correct all the errors. (none of which are His)
The first two are recorded in the Bible. The last one is quite obvious
when looking at the world's morals today.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>>>>>>>>>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>>>>>>>>>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And cows can fly. (I guess so in tornadoes)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nobody knows WHY God does what He does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Can an ant build a skyscraper?
>>>>>
>>>>>They do, in relative terms.
>>>>
>>>>Can an ant build a human size skyscraper?
>>>
>>>Probably not.
>>>Why do you ask?
>>
>>It would take something like that to happen in order to figure out why
>>God does what He does.
>
>God is not human so He doesn't act in a rational manner.
We got rationalization from God. He gave it to us. So He is the
supreme rationalizer. Who can figure out the mind of God? What may
seem to you to be irrational, in reality is the most rational thing.
Because God can see the end from the beginning. (if He so chooses)
I know, you keep saying that, so I am not getting through that cement
wall. Normally, a created thing relies fully on its creator. But when
God gave us free will, WE became responsible for our own actions. But
were not meant to rule ourselves.
And like I said, God has none.
>
>>>>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>>
>>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>>
>>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>>eat the apple.
>>>>
>>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>>king.
>>>>
>>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>>other species.
>>>>
>>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>>don't.
>>>
>>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>>
>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>
>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
It can't be God:
(James 1:13) When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by
God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself
try anyone.
>
You don't want to see proof?
Let's say you found a fancy doll out in the woods. And I told you that
random chance created it over millions of years. You would likely tell
me that is ridiculous. Yet in the same breath, you would tell me that
the more complicated human was created by random chance over millions
of years.
>
>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>government misdeeds
>>>>>>See what the Bible says
>>>>>
>>>>>Bible says everything is always just as God wants it.
>>>>
>>>>To "want" is not the same as to "do".
>>>
>>>In God's case it is.
>>
>>You left out the last word "not".
>
>You wrote,
>"The Bible shows that God can do anything He wants to do."
Well, it gets tricky with that wording. For example, the Bible says
God CANNOT lie. (Titus 1:2) So even if He wanted to, He could not lie.
Thus He can only Do things within His righteous personality.
Sincerely James
Prices being raised all over
>
>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>Where does that idea come from?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What errors?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>>>>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>>>>>>>can revise it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>"God will correct all errors"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, all the errors produced by Adam's disobedience.
>>>>>
>>>>>What was God's good purpose in creating Adam that way?
>>>>
>>>>"that way" occurred AFTER Adam sinned. Thus Adam caused it.
>>>
>>>You said everything God does since infinity is good.
>>
>>Yes. When God DOES it, it always occurs.
>
>God "does" everything.
>
>>>I'm asking,
>>>What was God's good purpose in using Adam to downgrade us?
>>
>>God tested Adam's loyalty.
>
>Does God not know how He made Adam?
would do.
>
>>>>>gotquestions.org says God caused the fall so He could show
>>>>>off His power.
>>>>
>>>>Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even when they are wrong.
>
>They claim to glorify God.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>>>>>>>>>>>>>this action?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
>>>>>>>>>>>>time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>That could explain why God does not understand his own creation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>He understands it so much, that humans can't figure it out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Are you saying God deceives us?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Humans deceive, God relieves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why would God feel the need to deceive us?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He wouldn't. (see Jas 1:13)
>>>>>
>>>>>Is the bible unambiguous?
>>>>
>>>>unambiguous= not open to more than one interpretation.
>>>>
>>>>Very true.
>>>
>>>Is the bible unambiguous?
>>
>>Yes
>
> The bible is open to many interpretations.
The Bible is a test. It is a test for those with the proper heart
condition and those who don't have it.
Bible don't give it. He was a righteous angel when God directly
created him. But he was envious of God, and wanted to be worshipped
like God was.
The one we now call "Jesus" was the first creation, The spirit
creature now known as "Satan", might have been the second. He
apparently was quite beautiful in appearance and powerful at his
start.
when looking at the world's morals today.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>>>>>>>>>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>>>>>>>>>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And cows can fly. (I guess so in tornadoes)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nobody knows WHY God does what He does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Can an ant build a skyscraper?
>>>>>
>>>>>They do, in relative terms.
>>>>
>>>>Can an ant build a human size skyscraper?
>>>
>>>Probably not.
>>>Why do you ask?
>>
>>It would take something like that to happen in order to figure out why
>>God does what He does.
>
>God is not human so He doesn't act in a rational manner.
supreme rationalizer. Who can figure out the mind of God? What may
seem to you to be irrational, in reality is the most rational thing.
Because God can see the end from the beginning. (if He so chooses)
wall. Normally, a created thing relies fully on its creator. But when
God gave us free will, WE became responsible for our own actions. But
were not meant to rule ourselves.
>
>>>>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>>
>>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>>
>>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>>eat the apple.
>>>>
>>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>>king.
>>>>
>>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>>other species.
>>>>
>>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>>don't.
>>>
>>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>>
>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>
>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
(James 1:13) When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by
God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself
try anyone.
>
Let's say you found a fancy doll out in the woods. And I told you that
random chance created it over millions of years. You would likely tell
me that is ridiculous. Yet in the same breath, you would tell me that
the more complicated human was created by random chance over millions
of years.
>
>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>government misdeeds
>>>>>>See what the Bible says
>>>>>
>>>>>Bible says everything is always just as God wants it.
>>>>
>>>>To "want" is not the same as to "do".
>>>
>>>In God's case it is.
>>
>>You left out the last word "not".
>
>You wrote,
>"The Bible shows that God can do anything He wants to do."
God CANNOT lie. (Titus 1:2) So even if He wanted to, He could not lie.
Thus He can only Do things within His righteous personality.
Sincerely James
Prices being raised all over
See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org
Lucifer
Jun 25, 2022, 8:39:47 AM6/25/22
to
>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>
>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>Where does that idea come from?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>What errors?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>>>>>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>>>>>>>>can revise it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>"God will correct all errors"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, all the errors produced by Adam's disobedience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in creating Adam that way?
>>>>>
>>>>>"that way" occurred AFTER Adam sinned. Thus Adam caused it.
>>>>
>>>>You said everything God does since infinity is good.
>>>
>>>Yes. When God DOES it, it always occurs.
>>
>>God "does" everything.
>
>Explain please.
>>>>I'm asking,
>>>>What was God's good purpose in using Adam to downgrade us?
>>>
>>>God tested Adam's loyalty.
>>
>>Does God not know how He made Adam?
>
>Yes, but by giving him free will, He didn't always know what Adam
>would do.
He made Adam.
>>>>>>gotquestions.org says God caused the fall so He could show
>>>>>>off His power.
>>>>>
>>>>>Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even when they are wrong.
>>
>>They claim to glorify God.
>
>Who does?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>this action?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>That could explain why God does not understand his own creation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>He understands it so much, that humans can't figure it out.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Are you saying God deceives us?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Humans deceive, God relieves.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why would God feel the need to deceive us?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He wouldn't. (see Jas 1:13)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is the bible unambiguous?
>>>>>
>>>>>unambiguous= not open to more than one interpretation.
>>>>>
>>>>>Very true.
>>>>
>>>>Is the bible unambiguous?
>>>
>>>Yes
>>
>> The bible is open to many interpretations.
>
>That is so unbelievers can do what they want, and deny Bible truths.
>The Bible is a test. It is a test for those with the proper heart
>condition and those who don't have it.
the bible is unambiguous.
>He was a righteous angel when God directly
>created him. But he was envious of God, and wanted to be worshipped
>like God was.
>The one we now call "Jesus" was the first creation, The spirit
>creature now known as "Satan", might have been the second. He
>apparently was quite beautiful in appearance and powerful at his
>start.
Batman has the Joker.
Superman has Lex Luther.
God has Satan.
a way the we could suffer then placed us in a world we would
suffer?
It would be better for God's reputation if you said God
makes errors.
Satan is not allowed to defend himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>>>>>>>>>>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>>>>>>>>>>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And cows can fly. (I guess so in tornadoes)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Nobody knows WHY God does what He does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Can an ant build a skyscraper?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They do, in relative terms.
>>>>>
>>>>>Can an ant build a human size skyscraper?
>>>>
>>>>Probably not.
>>>>Why do you ask?
>>>
>>>It would take something like that to happen in order to figure out why
>>>God does what He does.
>>
>>God is not human so He doesn't act in a rational manner.
>
>We got rationalization from God. He gave it to us. So He is the
>supreme rationalizer. Who can figure out the mind of God?
>What may
>seem to you to be irrational, in reality is the most rational thing.
>Because God can see the end from the beginning. (if He so chooses)
>>>>>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>>>
>>>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>>>eat the apple.
>>>>>
>>>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>>>king.
>>>>>
>>>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>>>other species.
>>>>>
>>>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>>>don't.
>>>>
>>>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>>>
>>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>
>>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
>
>It can't be God:
>Let's say you found a fancy doll out in the woods. And I told you that
>random chance created it over millions of years. You would likely tell
>me that is ridiculous. Yet in the same breath, you would tell me that
>the more complicated human was created by random chance over millions
>of years.
>
>>
>>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>>government misdeeds
>>>>>>>See what the Bible says
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bible says everything is always just as God wants it.
>>>>>
>>>>>To "want" is not the same as to "do".
>>>>
>>>>In God's case it is.
>>>
>>>You left out the last word "not".
>>
>>You wrote,
>>"The Bible shows that God can do anything He wants to do."
>
>Well, it gets tricky with that wording. For example, the Bible says
>God CANNOT lie. (Titus 1:2) So even if He wanted to, He could not lie.
>Thus He can only Do things within His righteous personality.
in the mouths of all your prophets."
>Sincerely James
zeb...@windstream.net
Jun 26, 2022, 3:32:25 PM6/26/22
to
On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 22:39:41 +1000, Lucifer
Not a chance I will deny it.
>
>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>
>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>
>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
That is why it is moot.
>
>>>Where does that idea come from?
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>What errors?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>>>>>>>>>can revise it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>>"God will correct all errors"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes, all the errors produced by Adam's disobedience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in creating Adam that way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"that way" occurred AFTER Adam sinned. Thus Adam caused it.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said everything God does since infinity is good.
>>>>
>>>>Yes. When God DOES it, it always occurs.
>>>
>>>God "does" everything.
>>
>>Explain please.
>
>Everything exists because God created.
But not everything exists today by the direct hand of God. (such as
Playboy magazine)
>
>>>>>I'm asking,
>>>>>What was God's good purpose in using Adam to downgrade us?
>>>>
>>>>God tested Adam's loyalty.
>>>
>>>Does God not know how He made Adam?
>>
>>Yes, but by giving him free will, He didn't always know what Adam
>>would do.
>
>So, God knows how He made Adam but He does not know how
>He made Adam.
That doesn't make any sense. What does is, "God knows how He made
Adam, but He does not always choose to know Adam's future.
>
>>>>>>>gotquestions.org says God caused the fall so He could show
>>>>>>>off His power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even when they are wrong.
>>>
>>>They claim to glorify God.
>>
>>Who does?
>
>gotquestions.org.
??
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>this action?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>That could explain why God does not understand his own creation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>He understands it so much, that humans can't figure it out.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Are you saying God deceives us?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Humans deceive, God relieves.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Why would God feel the need to deceive us?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>He wouldn't. (see Jas 1:13)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Is the bible unambiguous?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>unambiguous= not open to more than one interpretation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Very true.
>>>>>
>>>>>Is the bible unambiguous?
>>>>
>>>>Yes
>>>
>>> The bible is open to many interpretations.
>>
>>That is so unbelievers can do what they want, and deny Bible truths.
>>The Bible is a test. It is a test for those with the proper heart
>>condition and those who don't have it.
>
>Therefore, the bible is ambiguous and you lied when you said
>the bible is unambiguous.
I guess I am not making myself clear. There is only ONE true way the
Bible can be interpreted. But anyone can interpret it the way they
want, even for evil purposes.
Correct. It doesn't. Words such as satan, devil, lucifer, beelzabub
are descriptive words, not personal names.
>
>>He was a righteous angel when God directly
>>created him. But he was envious of God, and wanted to be worshipped
>>like God was.
>
>Wanting to be worshipped is so stupid.
That describes the Devil perfectly.
>
>>The one we now call "Jesus" was the first creation, The spirit
>>creature now known as "Satan", might have been the second. He
>>apparently was quite beautiful in appearance and powerful at his
>>start.
>
>Every superhero requires a nemesis.
>Batman has the Joker.
After Jehovah destroys Satan and his demons, he will have no nemesis'.
>Superman has Lex Luther.
>God has Satan.
See above
Are you sure that was the original purpose of God? Note:
(Genesis 2:8) Further, Jehovah God planted a garden in E´den, toward
the east; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
(Genesis 2:16) Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From
every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction.
(Genesis 1:28) Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be
fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in
subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens
and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”
(Genesis 2:18) Then Jehovah God said: “It is not good for the man to
continue to be alone. I am going to make a helper for him, as a
complement of him.”
So to summarize, God planted a beautiful garden and placed the man and
woman in it. They had pleanty of food to eat. Their job was to have
babies and spread the garden to all the earth and be in charge of the
animals that he made for us.
>
>It would be better for God's reputation if you said God
>makes errors.
I don't lie.
On the contrary, Satan is exercising his free will. And many people
get their morals from Satan, instead of from God's word, the Bible.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>>>>>>>>>>>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And cows can fly. (I guess so in tornadoes)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Nobody knows WHY God does what He does.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Can an ant build a skyscraper?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They do, in relative terms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Can an ant build a human size skyscraper?
>>>>>
>>>>>Probably not.
>>>>>Why do you ask?
>>>>
>>>>It would take something like that to happen in order to figure out why
>>>>God does what He does.
>>>
>>>God is not human so He doesn't act in a rational manner.
>>
>>We got rationalization from God. He gave it to us. So He is the
>>supreme rationalizer. Who can figure out the mind of God?
>
>You, apparently.
Anyone who can go that, will be a God. I don't see that happening.
>
>>What may
>>seem to you to be irrational, in reality is the most rational thing.
>>Because God can see the end from the beginning. (if He so chooses)
>
>That's not rational!
God is supremely rational!!!
Yes, we are fully dependant upon Him:
(Jeremiah 10:23) I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not
belong to him. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct
his step.
Has God abandoned us? No. He had His Bible written for us, to guide us
through this imperfect life. Those who avail themselves to God's
written word fare better than those who don't.
He also has had in the past, as He does today, an organization to
assist in guiding His people. Abandened us? NO WAY!
Actually, God will make everyone go back to His perfect design. Adam
caused us to be imperfect. God will correct his flaw that he
genetically passed on.
>
>>>>>>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>>>>eat the apple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>>>>king.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>>>>other species.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>>>>don't.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>>>>
>>>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>>
>>>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
>>
>>It can't be God:
>
>God can't be God?
That makes no sense.
Thanks, but no thanks.
a couple of other translations that word 1 Ki 22:23 a little
different.
NIV: ""So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all
these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you.""
NIV still agrees with the first part about lying.
Now the NWT: ""And now here Jehovah has put a deceptive spirit into
the mouth of all these prophets of yours; but Jehovah himself has
spoken calamity concerning you.""
In this translation we see the word "lying" replaced by "deceptive".
Is that a proper use of the Hebrew word "sheqer" which KJV translated
as "lying"?
Notice part of Strong's definition of "sheqer":
"lie, deception, disappointment, falsehood".
Thus "deception" is a proper word that can be used.
But now to the understanding of the verse. The true prophet Micaiah
told that an assembling of angel (spirits) had occurred before God's
throne. Because King Ahab had introduced Baal worship and other
detestable things, God was going to have him put to death. God asked
for a volunteer angel to permit false prophets to say that Ahab would
be successful in the war against Ramoth-gilead. One "spirit" accepted
the assignment. (1 Ki 22:19-22)
Sure enough in verse 17 those false prophets lied to the king and said
his war campaign would be successful. How did that "deceptive" angel
pull this off? This spirit creature exercised his power upon them so
that they spoke, not truth, but what they themselves wanted to say and
what Ahab wanted to hear from them. Earlier Ahab did not want to hear
from Micaiah because he only told about bad things happening to Ahab.
(vs 18) As God foretold, Ahab listened to those false prophets and was
killed. (vs 37)
Thus God did not lie here, only those false prophets. Thus God did not
instigate the deception, those false prophets said what was already in
their hearts. God does permit wickedness to occur at this time, but
soon will remove all of those who go against His commandments and
cause all of this wickedness. (see Pr 2:21,22)
Sincerely James
Prices being raised all over
>
>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>
>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>
>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>
>>>Where does that idea come from?
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>What errors?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>>>>>>>>>can revise it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>>"God will correct all errors"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes, all the errors produced by Adam's disobedience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in creating Adam that way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"that way" occurred AFTER Adam sinned. Thus Adam caused it.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said everything God does since infinity is good.
>>>>
>>>>Yes. When God DOES it, it always occurs.
>>>
>>>God "does" everything.
>>
>>Explain please.
>
>Everything exists because God created.
Playboy magazine)
>
>>>>>I'm asking,
>>>>>What was God's good purpose in using Adam to downgrade us?
>>>>
>>>>God tested Adam's loyalty.
>>>
>>>Does God not know how He made Adam?
>>
>>Yes, but by giving him free will, He didn't always know what Adam
>>would do.
>
>So, God knows how He made Adam but He does not know how
>He made Adam.
Adam, but He does not always choose to know Adam's future.
>
>>>>>>>gotquestions.org says God caused the fall so He could show
>>>>>>>off His power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even when they are wrong.
>>>
>>>They claim to glorify God.
>>
>>Who does?
>
>gotquestions.org.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How long will it take a being that lives outside of time to perform
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>this action?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who said He lives outside of time? The Bible says He lives within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>time, but at a different interval. One day to Him is 1000 years to us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(2 Pet 3:8) Thus to God, humans have been around for about a week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>That could explain why God does not understand his own creation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>He understands it so much, that humans can't figure it out.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Are you saying God deceives us?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Humans deceive, God relieves.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Why would God feel the need to deceive us?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>He wouldn't. (see Jas 1:13)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Is the bible unambiguous?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>unambiguous= not open to more than one interpretation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Very true.
>>>>>
>>>>>Is the bible unambiguous?
>>>>
>>>>Yes
>>>
>>> The bible is open to many interpretations.
>>
>>That is so unbelievers can do what they want, and deny Bible truths.
>>The Bible is a test. It is a test for those with the proper heart
>>condition and those who don't have it.
>
>Therefore, the bible is ambiguous and you lied when you said
>the bible is unambiguous.
Bible can be interpreted. But anyone can interpret it the way they
want, even for evil purposes.
are descriptive words, not personal names.
>
>>He was a righteous angel when God directly
>>created him. But he was envious of God, and wanted to be worshipped
>>like God was.
>
>Wanting to be worshipped is so stupid.
>
>>The one we now call "Jesus" was the first creation, The spirit
>>creature now known as "Satan", might have been the second. He
>>apparently was quite beautiful in appearance and powerful at his
>>start.
>
>Every superhero requires a nemesis.
>Batman has the Joker.
>Superman has Lex Luther.
>God has Satan.
(Genesis 2:8) Further, Jehovah God planted a garden in E´den, toward
the east; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
(Genesis 2:16) Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From
every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction.
(Genesis 1:28) Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be
fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in
subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens
and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”
(Genesis 2:18) Then Jehovah God said: “It is not good for the man to
continue to be alone. I am going to make a helper for him, as a
complement of him.”
So to summarize, God planted a beautiful garden and placed the man and
woman in it. They had pleanty of food to eat. Their job was to have
babies and spread the garden to all the earth and be in charge of the
animals that he made for us.
>
>It would be better for God's reputation if you said God
>makes errors.
get their morals from Satan, instead of from God's word, the Bible.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>>>>>>>>>>>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And cows can fly. (I guess so in tornadoes)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Nobody knows WHY God does what He does.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Can an ant build a skyscraper?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They do, in relative terms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Can an ant build a human size skyscraper?
>>>>>
>>>>>Probably not.
>>>>>Why do you ask?
>>>>
>>>>It would take something like that to happen in order to figure out why
>>>>God does what He does.
>>>
>>>God is not human so He doesn't act in a rational manner.
>>
>>We got rationalization from God. He gave it to us. So He is the
>>supreme rationalizer. Who can figure out the mind of God?
>
>You, apparently.
>
>>What may
>>seem to you to be irrational, in reality is the most rational thing.
>>Because God can see the end from the beginning. (if He so chooses)
>
>That's not rational!
(Jeremiah 10:23) I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not
belong to him. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct
his step.
Has God abandoned us? No. He had His Bible written for us, to guide us
through this imperfect life. Those who avail themselves to God's
written word fare better than those who don't.
He also has had in the past, as He does today, an organization to
assist in guiding His people. Abandened us? NO WAY!
caused us to be imperfect. God will correct his flaw that he
genetically passed on.
>
>>>>>>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>>>>eat the apple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>>>>king.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>>>>other species.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>>>>don't.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>>>>
>>>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>>
>>>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
>>
>>It can't be God:
>
>God can't be God?
>
>>Let's say you found a fancy doll out in the woods. And I told you that
>>random chance created it over millions of years. You would likely tell
>>me that is ridiculous. Yet in the same breath, you would tell me that
>>the more complicated human was created by random chance over millions
>>of years.
>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>>>government misdeeds
>>>>>>>>See what the Bible says
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bible says everything is always just as God wants it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>To "want" is not the same as to "do".
>>>>>
>>>>>In God's case it is.
>>>>
>>>>You left out the last word "not".
>>>
>>>You wrote,
>>>"The Bible shows that God can do anything He wants to do."
>>
>>Well, it gets tricky with that wording. For example, the Bible says
>>God CANNOT lie. (Titus 1:2) So even if He wanted to, He could not lie.
>>Thus He can only Do things within His righteous personality.
>
>(1 Kings 22:23) “So you see, the LORD has put a lying spirit
>in the mouths of all your prophets."
The KJV rendering makes God look like a liar doesn't it. Let's compare
>>Let's say you found a fancy doll out in the woods. And I told you that
>>random chance created it over millions of years. You would likely tell
>>me that is ridiculous. Yet in the same breath, you would tell me that
>>the more complicated human was created by random chance over millions
>>of years.
>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>>>government misdeeds
>>>>>>>>See what the Bible says
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bible says everything is always just as God wants it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>To "want" is not the same as to "do".
>>>>>
>>>>>In God's case it is.
>>>>
>>>>You left out the last word "not".
>>>
>>>You wrote,
>>>"The Bible shows that God can do anything He wants to do."
>>
>>Well, it gets tricky with that wording. For example, the Bible says
>>God CANNOT lie. (Titus 1:2) So even if He wanted to, He could not lie.
>>Thus He can only Do things within His righteous personality.
>
>(1 Kings 22:23) “So you see, the LORD has put a lying spirit
>in the mouths of all your prophets."
a couple of other translations that word 1 Ki 22:23 a little
different.
NIV: ""So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all
these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you.""
NIV still agrees with the first part about lying.
Now the NWT: ""And now here Jehovah has put a deceptive spirit into
the mouth of all these prophets of yours; but Jehovah himself has
spoken calamity concerning you.""
In this translation we see the word "lying" replaced by "deceptive".
Is that a proper use of the Hebrew word "sheqer" which KJV translated
as "lying"?
Notice part of Strong's definition of "sheqer":
"lie, deception, disappointment, falsehood".
Thus "deception" is a proper word that can be used.
But now to the understanding of the verse. The true prophet Micaiah
told that an assembling of angel (spirits) had occurred before God's
throne. Because King Ahab had introduced Baal worship and other
detestable things, God was going to have him put to death. God asked
for a volunteer angel to permit false prophets to say that Ahab would
be successful in the war against Ramoth-gilead. One "spirit" accepted
the assignment. (1 Ki 22:19-22)
Sure enough in verse 17 those false prophets lied to the king and said
his war campaign would be successful. How did that "deceptive" angel
pull this off? This spirit creature exercised his power upon them so
that they spoke, not truth, but what they themselves wanted to say and
what Ahab wanted to hear from them. Earlier Ahab did not want to hear
from Micaiah because he only told about bad things happening to Ahab.
(vs 18) As God foretold, Ahab listened to those false prophets and was
killed. (vs 37)
Thus God did not lie here, only those false prophets. Thus God did not
instigate the deception, those false prophets said what was already in
their hearts. God does permit wickedness to occur at this time, but
soon will remove all of those who go against His commandments and
cause all of this wickedness. (see Pr 2:21,22)
Sincerely James
Prices being raised all over
See what the Bible says
Lucifer
Jun 27, 2022, 4:34:33 AM6/27/22
to
"The Bible shows that God can do anything He wants to do."
>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>
>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>
>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>
>That is why it is moot.
I missed your answer.
>>>
>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>
>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>
>That is why it is moot.
Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>Where does that idea come from?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What errors?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>>>>>>>>>>can revise it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>>>"God will correct all errors"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes, all the errors produced by Adam's disobedience.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in creating Adam that way?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"that way" occurred AFTER Adam sinned. Thus Adam caused it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You said everything God does since infinity is good.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes. When God DOES it, it always occurs.
>>>>
>>>>God "does" everything.
>>>
>>>Explain please.
>>
>>Everything exists because God created.
>
>But not everything exists today by the direct hand of God. (such as
>Playboy magazine)
Our brain came about by the direct hand of God.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What errors?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>>>>>>>>>>can revise it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>>>"God will correct all errors"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes, all the errors produced by Adam's disobedience.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in creating Adam that way?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"that way" occurred AFTER Adam sinned. Thus Adam caused it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You said everything God does since infinity is good.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes. When God DOES it, it always occurs.
>>>>
>>>>God "does" everything.
>>>
>>>Explain please.
>>
>>Everything exists because God created.
>
>But not everything exists today by the direct hand of God. (such as
>Playboy magazine)
>>>>>>I'm asking,
>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in using Adam to downgrade us?
>>>>>
>>>>>God tested Adam's loyalty.
>>>>
>>>>Does God not know how He made Adam?
>>>
>>>Yes, but by giving him free will, He didn't always know what Adam
>>>would do.
>>
>>So, God knows how He made Adam but He does not know how
>>He made Adam.
>
>That doesn't make any sense. What does is, "God knows how He made
>Adam, but He does not always choose to know Adam's future.
That doesn't make any sense.
>>>>>>>>gotquestions.org says God caused the fall so He could show
>>>>>>>>off His power.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even when they are wrong.
>>>>
>>>>They claim to glorify God.
>>>
>>>Who does?
>>
>>gotquestions.org.
>
>??
"Who does?"
>>>The one we now call "Jesus" was the first creation, The spirit
>>>creature now known as "Satan", might have been the second. He
>>>apparently was quite beautiful in appearance and powerful at his
>>>start.
>>
>>Every superhero requires a nemesis.
>>Batman has the Joker.
>
>After Jehovah destroys Satan and his demons, he will have no nemesis'.
>>Superman has Lex Luther.
>>God has Satan.
>
>See above
>Note:
>
>(Genesis 2:8) Further, Jehovah God planted a garden in E´den, toward
>the east; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
>
>(Genesis 2:16) Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From
>every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction.
>
>(Genesis 1:28) Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be
>fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in
>subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens
>and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”
>
>(Genesis 2:18) Then Jehovah God said: “It is not good for the man to
>continue to be alone. I am going to make a helper for him, as a
>complement of him.”
>
>So to summarize, God planted a beautiful garden and placed the man and
>woman in it. They had pleanty of food to eat. Their job was to have
>babies and spread the garden to all the earth and be in charge of the
>animals that he made for us.
>
>>
>>It would be better for God's reputation if you said God
>>makes errors.
>
>I don't lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>>>>>>>>>>>>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And cows can fly. (I guess so in tornadoes)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Nobody knows WHY God does what He does.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Can an ant build a skyscraper?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>They do, in relative terms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Can an ant build a human size skyscraper?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Probably not.
>>>>>>Why do you ask?
>>>>>
>>>>>It would take something like that to happen in order to figure out why
>>>>>God does what He does.
>>>>
>>>>God is not human so He doesn't act in a rational manner.
>>>
>>>We got rationalization from God. He gave it to us. So He is the
>>>supreme rationalizer. Who can figure out the mind of God?
>>
>>You, apparently.
>
>Anyone who can go that, will be a God. I don't see that happening.
>>>What may
>>>seem to you to be irrational, in reality is the most rational thing.
>>>Because God can see the end from the beginning. (if He so chooses)
>>
>>That's not rational!
>
>God is supremely rational!!!
>Adam
>caused us to be imperfect. God will correct his flaw that he
>genetically passed on.
>>>>>>>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>>>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>>>>>eat the apple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>>>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>>>>>king.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>>>>>other species.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>>>>>don't.
We should copy the other animals that are not corrupted
by our human ideas.
>>>>>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>>>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>>>
>>>>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
>>>
>>>It can't be God:
>>
>>God can't be God?
>
>That makes no sense.
"It can't be God:"
>Sincerely James
>Prices being raised all over
>See what the Bible says
Lucifer
Jun 27, 2022, 4:41:51 AM6/27/22
to
"The Bible shows that God can do anything He wants to do."
>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>
>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>
>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>
>That is why it is moot.
I missed your answer.
>>>
>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>
>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>
>That is why it is moot.
Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>Where does that idea come from?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What errors?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>>>>>>>>>>can revise it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>>>"God will correct all errors"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes, all the errors produced by Adam's disobedience.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in creating Adam that way?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"that way" occurred AFTER Adam sinned. Thus Adam caused it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You said everything God does since infinity is good.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes. When God DOES it, it always occurs.
>>>>
>>>>God "does" everything.
>>>
>>>Explain please.
>>
>>Everything exists because God created.
>
>But not everything exists today by the direct hand of God. (such as
>Playboy magazine)
Our brain came about by the direct hand of God.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What errors?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>>>>>>>>>>can revise it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>>>"God will correct all errors"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes, all the errors produced by Adam's disobedience.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in creating Adam that way?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"that way" occurred AFTER Adam sinned. Thus Adam caused it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You said everything God does since infinity is good.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes. When God DOES it, it always occurs.
>>>>
>>>>God "does" everything.
>>>
>>>Explain please.
>>
>>Everything exists because God created.
>
>But not everything exists today by the direct hand of God. (such as
>Playboy magazine)
>>>>>>I'm asking,
>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in using Adam to downgrade us?
>>>>>
>>>>>God tested Adam's loyalty.
>>>>
>>>>Does God not know how He made Adam?
>>>
>>>Yes, but by giving him free will, He didn't always know what Adam
>>>would do.
>>
>>So, God knows how He made Adam but He does not know how
>>He made Adam.
>
>That doesn't make any sense. What does is, "God knows how He made
>Adam, but He does not always choose to know Adam's future.
That doesn't make any sense.
>>>>>>>>gotquestions.org says God caused the fall so He could show
>>>>>>>>off His power.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even when they are wrong.
>>>>
>>>>They claim to glorify God.
>>>
>>>Who does?
>>
>>gotquestions.org.
>
>??
"Who does?"
Is that because God chose not to look ahead?
>>>The one we now call "Jesus" was the first creation, The spirit
>>>creature now known as "Satan", might have been the second. He
>>>apparently was quite beautiful in appearance and powerful at his
>>>start.
>>
>>Every superhero requires a nemesis.
>>Batman has the Joker.
>
>After Jehovah destroys Satan and his demons, he will have no nemesis'.
Why did God create a nemesis?
>>Superman has Lex Luther.
>>God has Satan.
>
>See above
The firmament?
>>God has Satan.
>
>See above
God does not make errors.
>Note:
>
>(Genesis 2:8) Further, Jehovah God planted a garden in E´den, toward
>the east; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
>
>(Genesis 2:16) Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From
>every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction.
>
>(Genesis 1:28) Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be
>fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in
>subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens
>and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”
>
>(Genesis 2:18) Then Jehovah God said: “It is not good for the man to
>continue to be alone. I am going to make a helper for him, as a
>complement of him.”
>
>So to summarize, God planted a beautiful garden and placed the man and
>woman in it. They had pleanty of food to eat. Their job was to have
>babies and spread the garden to all the earth and be in charge of the
>animals that he made for us.
>
>>
>>It would be better for God's reputation if you said God
>>makes errors.
>
>I don't lie.
>
>(Genesis 2:8) Further, Jehovah God planted a garden in E´den, toward
>the east; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
>
>(Genesis 2:16) Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From
>every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction.
>
>(Genesis 1:28) Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be
>fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in
>subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens
>and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”
>
>(Genesis 2:18) Then Jehovah God said: “It is not good for the man to
>continue to be alone. I am going to make a helper for him, as a
>complement of him.”
>
>So to summarize, God planted a beautiful garden and placed the man and
>woman in it. They had pleanty of food to eat. Their job was to have
>babies and spread the garden to all the earth and be in charge of the
>animals that he made for us.
>
>>
>>It would be better for God's reputation if you said God
>>makes errors.
>
>I don't lie.
Not even to protect God's reputation?
What determines how we use our free will?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>>>>>>>>>>>>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And cows can fly. (I guess so in tornadoes)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Nobody knows WHY God does what He does.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Can an ant build a skyscraper?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>They do, in relative terms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Can an ant build a human size skyscraper?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Probably not.
>>>>>>Why do you ask?
>>>>>
>>>>>It would take something like that to happen in order to figure out why
>>>>>God does what He does.
>>>>
>>>>God is not human so He doesn't act in a rational manner.
>>>
>>>We got rationalization from God. He gave it to us. So He is the
>>>supreme rationalizer. Who can figure out the mind of God?
>>
>>You, apparently.
>
>Anyone who can go that, will be a God. I don't see that happening.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>>>>>>>>>>>>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And cows can fly. (I guess so in tornadoes)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Nobody knows WHY God does what He does.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Can an ant build a skyscraper?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>They do, in relative terms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Can an ant build a human size skyscraper?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Probably not.
>>>>>>Why do you ask?
>>>>>
>>>>>It would take something like that to happen in order to figure out why
>>>>>God does what He does.
>>>>
>>>>God is not human so He doesn't act in a rational manner.
>>>
>>>We got rationalization from God. He gave it to us. So He is the
>>>supreme rationalizer. Who can figure out the mind of God?
>>
>>You, apparently.
>
>Anyone who can go that, will be a God. I don't see that happening.
Bible says we are gods.
>>>What may
>>>seem to you to be irrational, in reality is the most rational thing.
>>>Because God can see the end from the beginning. (if He so chooses)
>>
>>That's not rational!
>
>God is supremely rational!!!
Please explain.
>>>seem to you to be irrational, in reality is the most rational thing.
>>>Because God can see the end from the beginning. (if He so chooses)
>>
>>That's not rational!
>
>God is supremely rational!!!
How long will that last?
>Adam
>caused us to be imperfect. God will correct his flaw that he
>genetically passed on.
>caused us to be imperfect. God will correct his flaw that he
>genetically passed on.
I'm wondering why God decided to make Adam that way.
>>>>>>>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>>>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>>>>>eat the apple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>>>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>>>>>king.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>>>>>other species.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>>>>>don't.
>>>>>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>>>>>eat the apple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>>>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>>>>>king.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>>>>>other species.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>>>>>don't.
Other animals can only go with their God given instincts.
We should copy the other animals that are not corrupted
by our human ideas.
We should copy the other animals that are not corrupted
by our human ideas.
>>>>>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>>>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>>>
>>>>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
>>>
>>>It can't be God:
>>
>>God can't be God?
>
>That makes no sense.
You wrote,
>>>>>
>>>>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>>>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>>>
>>>>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
>>>
>>>It can't be God:
>>
>>God can't be God?
>
>That makes no sense.
"It can't be God:"
I know you don't have any proof.
God is the cause of all the wickedness.
>Sincerely James
>Prices being raised all over
>See what the Bible says
>Prices being raised all over
>See what the Bible says
zeb...@windstream.net
Jun 27, 2022, 4:30:06 PM6/27/22
to
On 31 May 2022 15:33:08 GMT, servant wrote:
>Regarding the jw vatican pick and choosing *only* info to present their
>take on some subject in biology:
Actually it is James' take on it.
>
>
>>>A practice of only allowing part of the entire science just comes down to
>>>flat out lying and deception.
>>>
>>>Btw, friend james has at least a trillion mutations as he writes and some
>>>130 dna copying errors. He is a typical example of what he claims doesn't
>>>exist,ie. genetic and biological changes over time.
>>>
>>>I would be happy to post links with the entire story, but friend james is
>>>prohibited reading them, only the jw vatican edited story and therefore
>>>deceptions are allowed.
>>
>
>Friend james then proceeds to confirm the above:
>>Concerning the JW's, happily what you say is not true. Who should know
>>the real truth of the matter, one who is a JW or one who is not?
The Bible truth and JW's go together like salt and pepper.
>
>Interpretation, *only* the jw vatican has the truth.
So true.
>How does friend james
>know? Because the jw vatican tells him so.
And because of the many, many hours of research James has done.
>
>Friend james will you agree here and now to read info on the entire matter
>of dna changes over time and how it resultss in producing different
>biological features in different populations of the same species?
That is fantasy. If I want to read fiction, I will read something from
Isaac Asimov.
You tell me how blind, mindless, brainless, random chance can create
something as complex as a human? Only morons believe something like
that. Sorry, but that is what I believe.
Sincerely James
Prices being raised all over
See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org
>Regarding the jw vatican pick and choosing *only* info to present their
>take on some subject in biology:
Actually it is James' take on it.
>
>
>>>A practice of only allowing part of the entire science just comes down to
>>>flat out lying and deception.
>>>
>>>Btw, friend james has at least a trillion mutations as he writes and some
>>>130 dna copying errors. He is a typical example of what he claims doesn't
>>>exist,ie. genetic and biological changes over time.
>>>
>>>I would be happy to post links with the entire story, but friend james is
>>>prohibited reading them, only the jw vatican edited story and therefore
>>>deceptions are allowed.
>>
>
>Friend james then proceeds to confirm the above:
>>Concerning the JW's, happily what you say is not true. Who should know
>>the real truth of the matter, one who is a JW or one who is not?
The Bible truth and JW's go together like salt and pepper.
>
>Interpretation, *only* the jw vatican has the truth.
So true.
>How does friend james
>know? Because the jw vatican tells him so.
And because of the many, many hours of research James has done.
>
>Friend james will you agree here and now to read info on the entire matter
>of dna changes over time and how it resultss in producing different
>biological features in different populations of the same species?
That is fantasy. If I want to read fiction, I will read something from
Isaac Asimov.
You tell me how blind, mindless, brainless, random chance can create
something as complex as a human? Only morons believe something like
that. Sorry, but that is what I believe.
Sincerely James
Prices being raised all over
See what the Bible says
servant
Jun 27, 2022, 5:42:59 PM6/27/22
to
Decades before darwin proposed his model of how biological species change
over time this engilish bishop wrote about the topic.
In short he wrote; if one were walking on the beach and came upon a pocket
watch,ie. the most complex machine of that era, would he not know it
required a watchmaker to explain something so complex; not as a natural
event?
This is the core of many of friend jame's jw vatican pushed ideas to
consider that bilogical
complexity also requires a "watchmaker" to explain the biological
complexity we observe.
Given the science of his time,ie. shortly before darwin, there was no model
of biological change in answer to his question.
Of course darwin answered his question in a model of science, but he had
already died.
Many of those who ignore the revelation in creation about the vast changes
in species over time still resort to the bishop's lack of an answer. They
in fact ignore God's revelation of vast species change over time. in
creation .
The species we know today did not exist millions of years ago. All those
of that time do not exist today. The good bishop did not know that, one
thinks he would have asked another question. "How did God do it?"
over time this engilish bishop wrote about the topic.
In short he wrote; if one were walking on the beach and came upon a pocket
watch,ie. the most complex machine of that era, would he not know it
required a watchmaker to explain something so complex; not as a natural
event?
This is the core of many of friend jame's jw vatican pushed ideas to
consider that bilogical
complexity also requires a "watchmaker" to explain the biological
complexity we observe.
Given the science of his time,ie. shortly before darwin, there was no model
of biological change in answer to his question.
Of course darwin answered his question in a model of science, but he had
already died.
Many of those who ignore the revelation in creation about the vast changes
in species over time still resort to the bishop's lack of an answer. They
in fact ignore God's revelation of vast species change over time. in
creation .
The species we know today did not exist millions of years ago. All those
of that time do not exist today. The good bishop did not know that, one
thinks he would have asked another question. "How did God do it?"
Lucifer
Jun 27, 2022, 8:26:51 PM6/27/22
to
"The Bible shows that God can do anything He wants to do."
>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>
>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>
>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>
>That is why it is moot.
I missed your answer.
>>>
>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>
>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>
>That is why it is moot.
Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>Where does that idea come from?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What errors?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>>>>>>>>>>can revise it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>>>"God will correct all errors"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes, all the errors produced by Adam's disobedience.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in creating Adam that way?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"that way" occurred AFTER Adam sinned. Thus Adam caused it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You said everything God does since infinity is good.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes. When God DOES it, it always occurs.
>>>>
>>>>God "does" everything.
>>>
>>>Explain please.
>>
>>Everything exists because God created.
>
>But not everything exists today by the direct hand of God. (such as
>Playboy magazine)
Our brain came about by the direct hand of God.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What errors?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>>>>>>>>>>can revise it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>>>"God will correct all errors"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes, all the errors produced by Adam's disobedience.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in creating Adam that way?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"that way" occurred AFTER Adam sinned. Thus Adam caused it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You said everything God does since infinity is good.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes. When God DOES it, it always occurs.
>>>>
>>>>God "does" everything.
>>>
>>>Explain please.
>>
>>Everything exists because God created.
>
>But not everything exists today by the direct hand of God. (such as
>Playboy magazine)
>>>>>>I'm asking,
>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in using Adam to downgrade us?
>>>>>
>>>>>God tested Adam's loyalty.
>>>>
>>>>Does God not know how He made Adam?
>>>
>>>Yes, but by giving him free will, He didn't always know what Adam
>>>would do.
>>
>>So, God knows how He made Adam but He does not know how
>>He made Adam.
>
>That doesn't make any sense. What does is, "God knows how He made
>Adam, but He does not always choose to know Adam's future.
That doesn't make any sense.
>>>>>>>>gotquestions.org says God caused the fall so He could show
>>>>>>>>off His power.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even when they are wrong.
>>>>
>>>>They claim to glorify God.
>>>
>>>Who does?
>>
>>gotquestions.org.
>
>??
"Who does?"
Is that because God chose not to look ahead?
>>>The one we now call "Jesus" was the first creation, The spirit
>>>creature now known as "Satan", might have been the second. He
>>>apparently was quite beautiful in appearance and powerful at his
>>>start.
>>
>>Every superhero requires a nemesis.
>>Batman has the Joker.
>
>After Jehovah destroys Satan and his demons, he will have no nemesis'.
Why did God create a nemesis?
>>Superman has Lex Luther.
>>God has Satan.
>
>See above
The firmament?
>>God has Satan.
>
>See above
God does not make errors.
>Note:
>
>(Genesis 2:8) Further, Jehovah God planted a garden in E´den, toward
>the east; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
>
>(Genesis 2:16) Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From
>every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction.
>
>(Genesis 1:28) Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be
>fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in
>subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens
>and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”
>
>(Genesis 2:18) Then Jehovah God said: “It is not good for the man to
>continue to be alone. I am going to make a helper for him, as a
>complement of him.”
>
>So to summarize, God planted a beautiful garden and placed the man and
>woman in it. They had pleanty of food to eat. Their job was to have
>babies and spread the garden to all the earth and be in charge of the
>animals that he made for us.
>
>>
>>It would be better for God's reputation if you said God
>>makes errors.
>
>I don't lie.
>
>(Genesis 2:8) Further, Jehovah God planted a garden in E´den, toward
>the east; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
>
>(Genesis 2:16) Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From
>every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction.
>
>(Genesis 1:28) Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be
>fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in
>subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens
>and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”
>
>(Genesis 2:18) Then Jehovah God said: “It is not good for the man to
>continue to be alone. I am going to make a helper for him, as a
>complement of him.”
>
>So to summarize, God planted a beautiful garden and placed the man and
>woman in it. They had pleanty of food to eat. Their job was to have
>babies and spread the garden to all the earth and be in charge of the
>animals that he made for us.
>
>>
>>It would be better for God's reputation if you said God
>>makes errors.
>
>I don't lie.
Not even to protect God's reputation?
What determines how we use our free will?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>>>>>>>>>>>>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And cows can fly. (I guess so in tornadoes)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Nobody knows WHY God does what He does.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Can an ant build a skyscraper?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>They do, in relative terms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Can an ant build a human size skyscraper?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Probably not.
>>>>>>Why do you ask?
>>>>>
>>>>>It would take something like that to happen in order to figure out why
>>>>>God does what He does.
>>>>
>>>>God is not human so He doesn't act in a rational manner.
>>>
>>>We got rationalization from God. He gave it to us. So He is the
>>>supreme rationalizer. Who can figure out the mind of God?
>>
>>You, apparently.
>
>Anyone who can go that, will be a God. I don't see that happening.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>>>>>>>>>>>>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And cows can fly. (I guess so in tornadoes)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Nobody knows WHY God does what He does.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Can an ant build a skyscraper?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>They do, in relative terms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Can an ant build a human size skyscraper?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Probably not.
>>>>>>Why do you ask?
>>>>>
>>>>>It would take something like that to happen in order to figure out why
>>>>>God does what He does.
>>>>
>>>>God is not human so He doesn't act in a rational manner.
>>>
>>>We got rationalization from God. He gave it to us. So He is the
>>>supreme rationalizer. Who can figure out the mind of God?
>>
>>You, apparently.
>
>Anyone who can go that, will be a God. I don't see that happening.
Bible says we are gods.
>>>What may
>>>seem to you to be irrational, in reality is the most rational thing.
>>>Because God can see the end from the beginning. (if He so chooses)
>>
>>That's not rational!
>
>God is supremely rational!!!
Please explain.
>>>seem to you to be irrational, in reality is the most rational thing.
>>>Because God can see the end from the beginning. (if He so chooses)
>>
>>That's not rational!
>
>God is supremely rational!!!
How long will that last?
>Adam
>caused us to be imperfect. God will correct his flaw that he
>genetically passed on.
>caused us to be imperfect. God will correct his flaw that he
>genetically passed on.
I'm wondering why God decided to make Adam that way.
>>>>>>>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>>>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>>>>>eat the apple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>>>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>>>>>king.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>>>>>other species.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>>>>>don't.
>>>>>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>>>>>eat the apple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>>>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>>>>>king.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>>>>>other species.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>>>>>don't.
Other animals can only go with their God given instincts.
We should copy the other animals that are not corrupted
by our human ideas.
We should copy the other animals that are not corrupted
by our human ideas.
>>>>>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>>>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>>>
>>>>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
>>>
>>>It can't be God:
>>
>>God can't be God?
>
>That makes no sense.
You wrote,
>>>>>
>>>>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>>>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>>>
>>>>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
>>>
>>>It can't be God:
>>
>>God can't be God?
>
>That makes no sense.
"It can't be God:"
I know you don't have any proof.
God is the cause of all the wickedness.
>Sincerely James
>Prices being raised all over
>See what the Bible says
>Prices being raised all over
>See what the Bible says
Lucifer
Jun 27, 2022, 8:35:51 PM6/27/22
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 16:30:04 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>On 31 May 2022 15:33:08 GMT, servant wrote:
>
>>Regarding the jw vatican pick and choosing *only* info to present their
>>take on some subject in biology:
>
>Actually it is James' take on it.
>
>>
>>
>>>>A practice of only allowing part of the entire science just comes down to
>>>>flat out lying and deception.
>>>>
>>>>Btw, friend james has at least a trillion mutations as he writes and some
>>>>130 dna copying errors. He is a typical example of what he claims doesn't
>>>>exist,ie. genetic and biological changes over time.
>>>>
>>>>I would be happy to post links with the entire story, but friend james is
>>>>prohibited reading them, only the jw vatican edited story and therefore
>>>>deceptions are allowed.
>>>
>>
>>Friend james then proceeds to confirm the above:
>>>Concerning the JW's, happily what you say is not true. Who should know
>>>the real truth of the matter, one who is a JW or one who is not?
>
>The Bible truth and JW's go together like salt and pepper.
>
>>
>>Interpretation, *only* the jw vatican has the truth.
>
>So true.
>
>>How does friend james
>>know? Because the jw vatican tells him so.
James is living in a paradise in his mind. He doesn't want
>On 31 May 2022 15:33:08 GMT, servant wrote:
>
>>Regarding the jw vatican pick and choosing *only* info to present their
>>take on some subject in biology:
>
>Actually it is James' take on it.
>
>>
>>
>>>>A practice of only allowing part of the entire science just comes down to
>>>>flat out lying and deception.
>>>>
>>>>Btw, friend james has at least a trillion mutations as he writes and some
>>>>130 dna copying errors. He is a typical example of what he claims doesn't
>>>>exist,ie. genetic and biological changes over time.
>>>>
>>>>I would be happy to post links with the entire story, but friend james is
>>>>prohibited reading them, only the jw vatican edited story and therefore
>>>>deceptions are allowed.
>>>
>>
>>Friend james then proceeds to confirm the above:
>>>Concerning the JW's, happily what you say is not true. Who should know
>>>the real truth of the matter, one who is a JW or one who is not?
>
>The Bible truth and JW's go together like salt and pepper.
>
>>
>>Interpretation, *only* the jw vatican has the truth.
>
>So true.
>
>>How does friend james
>>know? Because the jw vatican tells him so.
to know about reality.
Our knowledge of evolution helps us understand ourselves.
>And because of the many, many hours of research James has done.
>
>>
>>Friend james will you agree here and now to read info on the entire matter
>>of dna changes over time and how it resultss in producing different
>>biological features in different populations of the same species?
>
>That is fantasy. If I want to read fiction, I will read something from
>Isaac Asimov.
>
>You tell me how blind, mindless, brainless, random chance can create
>something as complex as a human? Only morons believe something like
>that. Sorry, but that is what I believe.
You tell me how blind, mindless, brainless, random chance can create
>Sincerely James
zeb...@windstream.net
Jun 28, 2022, 11:55:40 AM6/28/22
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seen a living thing turn into another different living thing. What you
are hanging on to is a theory about bones. A theory that insidiously
leaves God out of creation.
A theory of random chance that makes no sense. A theory without a
mind, without a brain, without an intelligence. Yet many highly
multiplex systems exist in nature. So complex, that we (intelligence)
can't even figure them out. (like the human brain)
And RANDOM CHANCE figured all things out at the quantum energy level?
You've got to be kidding. If you don't like the truth, by all means
believe what you want.
zeb...@windstream.net
Jun 28, 2022, 12:11:25 PM6/28/22
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crimes. How so? Psychologists excuse some violent behaviors as being
passed down from 'cave man' days. Although it at present doesn't hold
up in a court of law that I know of, I wouldn't be surprised if it
did.
>
>>And because of the many, many hours of research James has done.
>>
>>>
>>>Friend james will you agree here and now to read info on the entire matter
>>>of dna changes over time and how it resultss in producing different
>>>biological features in different populations of the same species?
>>
>>That is fantasy. If I want to read fiction, I will read something from
>>Isaac Asimov.
>>
>>You tell me how blind, mindless, brainless, random chance can create
>>something as complex as a human? Only morons believe something like
>>that. Sorry, but that is what I believe.
>
>You tell me how blind, mindless, brainless, random chance can create
>something as complex as a God.
>>Sincerely James
Lucifer
Jun 28, 2022, 7:55:43 PM6/28/22
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of a job. I know the concept of original sin is essential to allow
church leaders to control their flock.
Catholics say evolution is a proven scientific fact and the Adam
and Eve story is just a story. That would seem to eliminate
original sin and our need to be controlled by their leaders,
so they insist that original sin still applies.
You are so traumatised by the way things are that you cling
desperately to the idea that it will all be fixed some time.
I can understand you being disgusted by the way evolution
works. We all are. But it is what it is and we must deal with
it the best way we can. For you that includes using man
made medicine to overcome the effects of your faulty brain.
>>>And because of the many, many hours of research James has done.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Friend james will you agree here and now to read info on the entire matter
>>>>of dna changes over time and how it resultss in producing different
>>>>biological features in different populations of the same species?
>>>
>>>That is fantasy. If I want to read fiction, I will read something from
>>>Isaac Asimov.
>>>
>>>You tell me how blind, mindless, brainless, random chance can create
>>>something as complex as a human? Only morons believe something like
>>>that. Sorry, but that is what I believe.
>>
>>You tell me how blind, mindless, brainless, random chance can create
>>something as complex as a God.
>
>Your pet evolution did not create God. He ALWAYS existed.
>Sincerely James
zeb...@windstream.net
Jun 30, 2022, 6:41:49 PM6/30/22
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On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 10:26:46 +1000, Lucifer
Not so. The Bible says God is incapable of lying:
(Titus 1:2) and is based on a hope of the everlasting life that God,
who cannot lie, promised long ago;
(Titus 1:2) and is based on a hope of the everlasting life that God,
who cannot lie, promised long ago;
Lucifer
Jun 30, 2022, 10:20:33 PM6/30/22
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Reposted so you can reply in full.
Lucifer
Jun 30, 2022, 10:24:08 PM6/30/22
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servant
Jul 1, 2022, 1:35:09 PM7/1/22
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One of friend james' popular rotely learned plug in ideas about evolution
as biological change over time is to say; "where are all the inbetween
examples?" There are easy to observe examples, but the question is
irrelevant. The basic more fundamental question is how to account for what
the content of God's creation as revlation contains.
No living things living now existed millions of years ago. Likewise those
millions of years ago do not exist now. The fundamental question is how do
we account for that change from then to now? What model best accounts for
that observation?
zeb...@windstream.net
Jul 3, 2022, 10:39:03 AM7/3/22
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independently from another. And the real fossil record bears that out.
Fossils appear suddenly and fully formed. You wouldn't get that if
everything was built upon the one preceding it.
Sincerely James
The contaminated earth
See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org
servant
Jul 4, 2022, 11:38:53 AM7/4/22
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>>One of friend james' popular rotely learned plug in ideas about evolution
>>as biological change over time is to say; "where are all the inbetween
>>examples?" There are easy to observe examples, but the question is
>>irrelevant. The basic more fundamental question is how to account for what
>>the content of God's creation as revlation contains.
>>
>>No living things living now existed millions of years ago. Likewise those
>>millions of years ago do not exist now. The fundamental question is how do
>>we account for that change from then to now? What model best accounts for
>>that observation?
>
.>The model presented in the book of Genesis. Each life form was created
>independently from another. And the real fossil record bears that out.
>Fossils appear suddenly and fully formed. You wouldn't get that if
>everything was built upon the one preceding it.
Smile, *all* fossels are fully formed by definition. It is the millions of
>Fossils appear suddenly and fully formed. You wouldn't get that if
>everything was built upon the one preceding it.
years gap that requires an explanation. The cattle of genesus do not exist
anywhere in the record millions of years ago, in fact nothing even
resembling land mamals or which they are an example among thousands of
other species. In fact *all* currently living things are missing.
It is friend james who has the ""missing links" problem, indeed it is a gap
of totally missing examples that must be accounted for.
zeb...@windstream.net
Jul 4, 2022, 6:52:50 PM7/4/22
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saved. (2 Pet 3:9) But that won't happen according to the Bible. (Mt
25:41) Thus God doesn't always get what He wants.
>
>>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>>
>>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>>
>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>
>>That is why it is moot.
>
>I missed your answer.
>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
(within His righteous standards) But His original designs were
perfect, so He wouldn't be revising there. (free will and all)
>
>>>>>Where does that idea come from?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What errors?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>>>>>>>>>>>can revise it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>>>>"God will correct all errors"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Yes, all the errors produced by Adam's disobedience.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in creating Adam that way?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"that way" occurred AFTER Adam sinned. Thus Adam caused it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You said everything God does since infinity is good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes. When God DOES it, it always occurs.
>>>>>
>>>>>God "does" everything.
>>>>
>>>>Explain please.
>>>
>>>Everything exists because God created.
>>
>>But not everything exists today by the direct hand of God. (such as
>>Playboy magazine)
>
>Our brain came about by the direct hand of God.
that contained a corrupted brain. And the farther our body gets away
from Adam and Eve, the more corrupt it gets.
>
>>>>>>>I'm asking,
>>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in using Adam to downgrade us?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God tested Adam's loyalty.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does God not know how He made Adam?
>>>>
>>>>Yes, but by giving him free will, He didn't always know what Adam
>>>>would do.
>>>
>>>So, God knows how He made Adam but He does not know how
>>>He made Adam.
>>
>>That doesn't make any sense. What does is, "God knows how He made
>>Adam, but He does not always choose to know Adam's future.
>
>That doesn't make any sense.
His choice.
>
>>>>>>>>>gotquestions.org says God caused the fall so He could show
>>>>>>>>>off His power.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even when they are wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>They claim to glorify God.
>>>>
>>>>Who does?
>>>
>>>gotquestions.org.
>>
>>??
>
>You asked,
>"Who does?"
seekers with those who are not:
(Hebrews 4:12) For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is
sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of
soul and spirit, and of joints from the marrow, and is able to discern
thoughts and intentions of the heart.
nothing but annihilation.
>
>>>>The one we now call "Jesus" was the first creation, The spirit
>>>>creature now known as "Satan", might have been the second. He
>>>>apparently was quite beautiful in appearance and powerful at his
>>>>start.
>>>
>>>Every superhero requires a nemesis.
>>>Batman has the Joker.
>>
>>After Jehovah destroys Satan and his demons, he will have no nemesis'.
>
>Why did God create a nemesis?
Bundy? Because she didn't know that he would become that.
Neither did God know that Satan would become Satan.
>
>>>Superman has Lex Luther.
>>>God has Satan.
>>
>>See above
>
>The firmament?
did, and we are his genetic offspring.
>
>>Note:
>>
>>(Genesis 2:8) Further, Jehovah God planted a garden in E´den, toward
>>the east; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
>>
>>(Genesis 2:16) Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From
>>every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction.
>>
>>(Genesis 1:28) Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be
>>fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in
>>subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens
>>and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”
>>
>>(Genesis 2:18) Then Jehovah God said: “It is not good for the man to
>>continue to be alone. I am going to make a helper for him, as a
>>complement of him.”
>>
>>So to summarize, God planted a beautiful garden and placed the man and
>>woman in it. They had pleanty of food to eat. Their job was to have
>>babies and spread the garden to all the earth and be in charge of the
>>animals that he made for us.
>>
>>>
>>>It would be better for God's reputation if you said God
>>>makes errors.
>>
>>I don't lie.
>
>Not even to protect God's reputation?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>He will satisfy the desires of every living thing. And He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>will eliminate death.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Presumably do away with reproduction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Bible does not address that statement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>God will need to greatly amend his design.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>God will put back perfection for the human race.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then there will need to be another fall so God can show off his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>power by again saving us from ourselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>And the cycle will repeat endlessly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>And cows can fly. (I guess so in tornadoes)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Nobody knows WHY God does what He does.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Can an ant build a skyscraper?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>They do, in relative terms.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Can an ant build a human size skyscraper?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Probably not.
>>>>>>>Why do you ask?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It would take something like that to happen in order to figure out why
>>>>>>God does what He does.
>>>>>
>>>>>God is not human so He doesn't act in a rational manner.
>>>>
>>>>We got rationalization from God. He gave it to us. So He is the
>>>>supreme rationalizer. Who can figure out the mind of God?
>>>
>>>You, apparently.
>>
>>Anyone who can go that, will be a God. I don't see that happening.
>
>Bible says we are gods.
>
>>>>What may
>>>>seem to you to be irrational, in reality is the most rational thing.
>>>>Because God can see the end from the beginning. (if He so chooses)
>>>
>>>That's not rational!
>>
>>God is supremely rational!!!
>
>Please explain.
astronomy, biology, mathematics, etc. Without those stable laws the
universe would be pure chaos.
>
>>Adam
>>caused us to be imperfect. God will correct his flaw that he
>>genetically passed on.
>
>I'm wondering why God decided to make Adam that way.
>
>>>>>>>>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>>>>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>>>>>>eat the apple.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>>>>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>>>>>>king.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>>>>>>other species.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>>>>>>don't.
>
>Other animals can only go with their God given instincts.
>We should copy the other animals that are not corrupted
>by our human ideas.
>
>>>>>>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>>>>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
>>>>
>>>>It can't be God:
>>>
>>>God can't be God?
>>
>>That makes no sense.
>
>You wrote,
>"It can't be God:"
even though imperfect, is a miracle of design.
>
>>Sincerely James
>>Prices being raised all over
>>See what the Bible says
>
>Bible says God is the cause of all the wickedness.
joy of children? Who gave us taste buds to enjoy our food? Who causes
sunsets to be remarkable occasionally. Who caused us to see in 3-D
color, and listen in stereo? We just received two little orange
kittens. They have a ball chasing each other around etc, and are a joy
to watch.
If God hates us so much as to create wickedness for us, who gets
credit for all the joyful things in life? Let me ask that again, who
gets credit for all the joyful things in life?
Lucifer
Jul 5, 2022, 1:21:17 AM7/5/22
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>>>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>>>
>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>
>>>That is why it is moot.
>>
>>I missed your answer.
>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>
>He can do both if He wants to. Like it is said, "God can do anything".
>(within His righteous standards) But His original designs were
>perfect, so He wouldn't be revising there. (free will and all)
revise his design. See earlier in this post for the reference.
>>>>>>Where does that idea come from?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When this issue is fully tested, God will correct all errors and make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all things right again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What errors?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diseases, imperfections, Covid 19, too low intelligence, murderers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thieves, and on, and on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No need to correct a perfect design.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>You can't correct something perfect. (correct implies error) But you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>can revise it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>>>>>"God will correct all errors"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Yes, all the errors produced by Adam's disobedience.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in creating Adam that way?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"that way" occurred AFTER Adam sinned. Thus Adam caused it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You said everything God does since infinity is good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes. When God DOES it, it always occurs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God "does" everything.
>>>>>
>>>>>Explain please.
>>>>
>>>>Everything exists because God created.
>>>
>>>But not everything exists today by the direct hand of God. (such as
>>>Playboy magazine)
>>
>>Our brain came about by the direct hand of God.
>
>Not OUR brain, but Adam's and Eve's. We received genetics from them
>that contained a corrupted brain.
>And the farther our body gets away
>from Adam and Eve, the more corrupt it gets.
>>>>>>>>I'm asking,
>>>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in using Adam to downgrade us?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God tested Adam's loyalty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Does God not know how He made Adam?
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, but by giving him free will, He didn't always know what Adam
>>>>>would do.
>>>>
>>>>So, God knows how He made Adam but He does not know how
>>>>He made Adam.
>>>
>>>That doesn't make any sense. What does is, "God knows how He made
>>>Adam, but He does not always choose to know Adam's future.
>>
>>That doesn't make any sense.
>
>Let me reword it simply. God doesn't always know the future. That is
>His choice.
didn't look ahead?
>The Devil deserves nothing but annihilation.
>>>>>The one we now call "Jesus" was the first creation, The spirit
>>>>>creature now known as "Satan", might have been the second. He
>>>>>apparently was quite beautiful in appearance and powerful at his
>>>>>start.
>>>>
>>>>Every superhero requires a nemesis.
>>>>Batman has the Joker.
>>>
>>>After Jehovah destroys Satan and his demons, he will have no nemesis'.
>>
>>Why did God create a nemesis?
>
>Why did Mrs Bundy give birth to the serial rapist and murderer Ted
>Bundy?
>Because she didn't know that he would become that.
>Neither did God know that Satan would become Satan.
>>>>Superman has Lex Luther.
>>>>God has Satan.
>>>
>>>See above
>>
>>The firmament?
>
>What about it?
>But Adam did, and we are his genetic offspring.
>>>Note:
>>>
>>>(Genesis 2:8) Further, Jehovah God planted a garden in E´den, toward
>>>the east; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
>>>
>>>(Genesis 2:16) Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From
>>>every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction.
>>>
>>>(Genesis 1:28) Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be
>>>fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in
>>>subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens
>>>and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”
>>>
>>>(Genesis 2:18) Then Jehovah God said: “It is not good for the man to
>>>continue to be alone. I am going to make a helper for him, as a
>>>complement of him.”
>>>
>>>So to summarize, God planted a beautiful garden and placed the man and
>>>woman in it. They had pleanty of food to eat. Their job was to have
>>>babies and spread the garden to all the earth and be in charge of the
>>>animals that he made for us.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>It would be better for God's reputation if you said God
>>>>makes errors.
>>>
>>>I don't lie.
>>
>>Not even to protect God's reputation?
>
>I have no need to lie for that, or anything else.
>>>And many people
>>>get their morals from Satan, instead of from God's word, the Bible.
>>
>>What determines how we use our free will?
>
>You do.
biology, mathematics, etc.
>>>Adam
>>>caused us to be imperfect. God will correct his flaw that he
>>>genetically passed on.
>>
>>I'm wondering why God decided to make Adam that way.
>
>Ether that or make him a robot. God doesn't want robot worshippers.
>>>>>>>>>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>>>>>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>>>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>>>>>>>eat the apple.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>>>>>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>>>>>>>king.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>>>>>>>other species.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>>>>>>>don't.
>>
>>Other animals can only go with their God given instincts.
>>We should copy the other animals that are not corrupted
>>by our human ideas.
>
>Like what examples?
>>>>>>>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>>>>>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
>>>>>
>>>>>It can't be God:
>>>>
>>>>God can't be God?
>>>
>>>That makes no sense.
>>
>>You wrote,
>>"It can't be God:"
>
>That's right. It can't be God who gives us bad instincts.
as our brain.
>>>Sincerely James
>>>Prices being raised all over
>>>See what the Bible says
>>
>>Bible says God is the cause of all the wickedness.
>
>If God is the cause of all wickedness, who makes it so we can have the
>joy of children? Who gave us taste buds to enjoy our food? Who causes
>sunsets to be remarkable occasionally. Who caused us to see in 3-D
>color, and listen in stereo? We just received two little orange
>kittens. They have a ball chasing each other around etc, and are a joy
>to watch.
>
>If God hates us so much as to create wickedness for us, who gets
>credit for all the joyful things in life? Let me ask that again, who
>gets credit for all the joyful things in life?
zeb...@windstream.net
Jul 5, 2022, 8:34:45 AM7/5/22
to
On 04 Jul 2022 15:38:51 GMT, servant wrote:
>
>>>One of friend james' popular rotely learned plug in ideas about evolution
>>>as biological change over time is to say; "where are all the inbetween
>>>examples?" There are easy to observe examples, but the question is
>>>irrelevant. The basic more fundamental question is how to account for what
>>>the content of God's creation as revlation contains.
>>>
>>>No living things living now existed millions of years ago. Likewise those
>>>millions of years ago do not exist now. The fundamental question is how do
>>>we account for that change from then to now? What model best accounts for
>>>that observation?
>>
>
>Friend james answers a question not asked,ie. a strawman
Question: "What model best accounts for that observation?"
>
>>>One of friend james' popular rotely learned plug in ideas about evolution
>>>as biological change over time is to say; "where are all the inbetween
>>>examples?" There are easy to observe examples, but the question is
>>>irrelevant. The basic more fundamental question is how to account for what
>>>the content of God's creation as revlation contains.
>>>
>>>No living things living now existed millions of years ago. Likewise those
>>>millions of years ago do not exist now. The fundamental question is how do
>>>we account for that change from then to now? What model best accounts for
>>>that observation?
>>
>
>Friend james answers a question not asked,ie. a strawman
Answer: "The model presented in the book of Genesis."
>
>.>The model presented in the book of Genesis. Each life form was created
>>independently from another. And the real fossil record bears that out.
>>Fossils appear suddenly and fully formed. You wouldn't get that if
>>everything was built upon the one preceding it.
>
>Smile, *all* fossels are fully formed by definition.
there. All you see if fully formed ones. (as we recognize a fully
formed one. (Ex full dogs, full cats, etc, not dogs with 3 legs or
cats with no fur etc.)
>It is the millions of
>years gap that requires an explanation. The cattle of genesus do not exist
>anywhere in the record millions of years ago, in fact nothing even
>resembling land mamals or which they are an example among thousands of
>other species. In fact *all* currently living things are missing.
millions. Thus all animals named there were around.
>
>It is friend james who has the ""missing links" problem, indeed it is a gap
>of totally missing examples that must be accounted for.
Explain then how random chance created male and female with all the
>It is friend james who has the ""missing links" problem, indeed it is a gap
>of totally missing examples that must be accounted for.
internal working parts. That's most male and female OF EVERY SPECIES,
even insects. Looks like random chance must be intelligent after all.
Lucifer
Jul 5, 2022, 8:58:40 AM7/5/22
to
>Sincerely James
>The contaminated earth
>See what the Bible says
servant
Jul 5, 2022, 10:39:57 AM7/5/22
to
Friend james goes off in all directions when he is unable to plugin a
rotely learned jw vatican answer to many questions/observations. Thus it
is for the question of the subject alone we are interested, not another
question possibly related to those plug in responses.
Let's give him another chance. Observing God's creation, a 2nd revelation
along with scripture, provides info about the history of living things
going back millions of years.
Long ago observation finds living things in abundance of many kinds. When
we compare them with existing living things an interesting observation
occurs.
*None* of those ancient life forms now exist. *None* of those of today
are found in that ancient time.
There is based on those observations alone a *huge* gap in the nature and
kinds and change of living things in the history of God's creation.
What model would best explain the *vast* biological change in living things
over time between the two observation points? That is for friend james to
provide an answer alone about God's history of the creation.
Btw, "I don't know and the jw vatican lacks an answer also" is avalid
answer.
rotely learned jw vatican answer to many questions/observations. Thus it
is for the question of the subject alone we are interested, not another
question possibly related to those plug in responses.
Let's give him another chance. Observing God's creation, a 2nd revelation
along with scripture, provides info about the history of living things
going back millions of years.
Long ago observation finds living things in abundance of many kinds. When
we compare them with existing living things an interesting observation
occurs.
*None* of those ancient life forms now exist. *None* of those of today
are found in that ancient time.
There is based on those observations alone a *huge* gap in the nature and
kinds and change of living things in the history of God's creation.
What model would best explain the *vast* biological change in living things
over time between the two observation points? That is for friend james to
provide an answer alone about God's history of the creation.
Btw, "I don't know and the jw vatican lacks an answer also" is avalid
answer.
zeb...@windstream.net
Jul 6, 2022, 9:02:27 PM7/6/22
to
On Tue, 05 Jul 2022 15:21:12 +1000, Lucifer
Sense or not, that is Bible truth.
>
>>>>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>>>>
>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>
>>>>That is why it is moot.
>>>
>>>I missed your answer.
>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>
>>He can do both if He wants to. Like it is said, "God can do anything".
>>(within His righteous standards) But His original designs were
>>perfect, so He wouldn't be revising there. (free will and all)
>
>Before you said God can't amend his perfect design but he can
>revise his design. See earlier in this post for the reference.
God COULD amend and revise any of his designs, even though they are
perfect. If He wanted to give humans 3 arms and 3 legs, they would
still be perfect, just with more appendages. I don't see why you can't
understand it.
Your question should be not to God, but to Adam. Why did Adam do such
a terrible thing? He was worst than Hitler, 1,000,000 times over.
Every person who has ever died, or will die, do so because of Adam.
>
>>And the farther our body gets away
>>from Adam and Eve, the more corrupt it gets.
>
>And you say that is not an error?
Yes it's an error that Adam brought to us. But God will soon eliminate
all the errors caused by Adam.
>
>>>>>>>>>I'm asking,
>>>>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in using Adam to downgrade us?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God tested Adam's loyalty.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Does God not know how He made Adam?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, but by giving him free will, He didn't always know what Adam
>>>>>>would do.
>>>>>
>>>>>So, God knows how He made Adam but He does not know how
>>>>>He made Adam.
>>>>
>>>>That doesn't make any sense. What does is, "God knows how He made
>>>>Adam, but He does not always choose to know Adam's future.
>>>
>>>That doesn't make any sense.
>>
>>Let me reword it simply. God doesn't always know the future. That is
>>His choice.
>
>Can we escape responsibility for a criminal act by saying we
>didn't look ahead?
Of course not. Each person is responsible for their own actions. And
only God can look ahead.
On the contrary, God wants us to be happy and in peace. And He will
make that happen: Rev 21:3,4:
3. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the
tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they
shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their
God.
4. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there
shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall
there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
We all worship in different ways. Your "awe" could be your form of
>
>>>>>>The one we now call "Jesus" was the first creation, The spirit
>>>>>>creature now known as "Satan", might have been the second. He
>>>>>>apparently was quite beautiful in appearance and powerful at his
>>>>>>start.
>>>>>
>>>>>Every superhero requires a nemesis.
>>>>>Batman has the Joker.
>>>>
>>>>After Jehovah destroys Satan and his demons, he will have no nemesis'.
>>>
>>>Why did God create a nemesis?
>>
>>Why did Mrs Bundy give birth to the serial rapist and murderer Ted
>>Bundy?
>
>God made our bodies so that such things are possible.
Only if one chooses to do that. (recall free will)
>
>>Because she didn't know that he would become that.
>>Neither did God know that Satan would become Satan.
>
>God had to know how He made the angel that became Satan.
God made him perfect. He could have remained perfect forever. But he
misused his free will. And he tempted Adam and Eve to their
destruction, as well as his own.
>
>>>>>Superman has Lex Luther.
>>>>>God has Satan.
>>>>
>>>>See above
>>>
>>>The firmament?
>>
>>What about it?
>
>The firmament is above.
The firmament is a KJV translation:
Genesis 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which
were under the firmament from the waters which were above the
firmament: and it was so.
Now notice this translation:
-- Living Bible
Genesis 1:7 So God made the sky, dividing the vapor above from the
water below. This all happened on the second day.
Thus the firmament is our atmosphere.
All humans make mistakes.
>
>>But Adam did, and we are his genetic offspring.
>
>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!
>
>>>>Note:
>>>>
>>>>(Genesis 2:8) Further, Jehovah God planted a garden in E´den, toward
>>>>the east; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
>>>>
>>>>(Genesis 2:16) Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From
>>>>every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction.
>>>>
>>>>(Genesis 1:28) Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be
>>>>fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in
>>>>subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens
>>>>and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”
>>>>
>>>>(Genesis 2:18) Then Jehovah God said: “It is not good for the man to
>>>>continue to be alone. I am going to make a helper for him, as a
>>>>complement of him.”
>>>>
>>>>So to summarize, God planted a beautiful garden and placed the man and
>>>>woman in it. They had pleanty of food to eat. Their job was to have
>>>>babies and spread the garden to all the earth and be in charge of the
>>>>animals that he made for us.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It would be better for God's reputation if you said God
>>>>>makes errors.
>>>>
>>>>I don't lie.
>>>
>>>Not even to protect God's reputation?
>>
>>I have no need to lie for that, or anything else.
>
>You telling the truth about God is making God look very bad.
I just do the best that I can do.
I don't think that rape and murder, and thievery, and violence has a
ones, all our actions will have a good outcome.
There is a Scripture which tells us that this is not the REAL life.
That is yet to come.
None that the Bible says.
>
>>>>Adam
>>>>caused us to be imperfect. God will correct his flaw that he
>>>>genetically passed on.
>>>
>>>I'm wondering why God decided to make Adam that way.
>>
>>Ether that or make him a robot. God doesn't want robot worshippers.
>
>Hopefully God does not want any worshippers.
The Bible says God wants to be worshipped. He gives us so much, that
is the least we can do for Him.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>>>>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>>>>>>>>eat the apple.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>>>>>>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>>>>>>>>king.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>>>>>>>>other species.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>>>>>>>>don't.
>>>
>>>Other animals can only go with their God given instincts.
>>>We should copy the other animals that are not corrupted
>>>by our human ideas.
>>
>>Like what examples?
>
>We should fight for mating rights.
??
Those with Bible knowledge know why we have many faults. Those living
in Bible ignorance take whatever imperfect man feeds them.
Every wrecked Ford in the junkyard exists because they were created
buy the FMC. That always makes them responsible, right?
>
>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>Prices being raised all over
>>>>See what the Bible says
>>>
>>>Bible says God is the cause of all the wickedness.
>>
>>If God is the cause of all wickedness, who makes it so we can have the
>>joy of children? Who gave us taste buds to enjoy our food? Who causes
>>sunsets to be remarkable occasionally. Who caused us to see in 3-D
>>color, and listen in stereo? We just received two little orange
>>kittens. They have a ball chasing each other around etc, and are a joy
>>to watch.
>>
>>If God hates us so much as to create wickedness for us, who gets
>>credit for all the joyful things in life? Let me ask that again, who
>>gets credit for all the joyful things in life?
>
>Everything exists because God created, right?
See above.
Sincerely James
The contaminated earth
>
>>>>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>>>>
>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>
>>>>That is why it is moot.
>>>
>>>I missed your answer.
>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>
>>He can do both if He wants to. Like it is said, "God can do anything".
>>(within His righteous standards) But His original designs were
>>perfect, so He wouldn't be revising there. (free will and all)
>
>Before you said God can't amend his perfect design but he can
>revise his design. See earlier in this post for the reference.
perfect. If He wanted to give humans 3 arms and 3 legs, they would
still be perfect, just with more appendages. I don't see why you can't
understand it.
a terrible thing? He was worst than Hitler, 1,000,000 times over.
Every person who has ever died, or will die, do so because of Adam.
>
>>And the farther our body gets away
>>from Adam and Eve, the more corrupt it gets.
>
>And you say that is not an error?
all the errors caused by Adam.
>
>>>>>>>>>I'm asking,
>>>>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in using Adam to downgrade us?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God tested Adam's loyalty.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Does God not know how He made Adam?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, but by giving him free will, He didn't always know what Adam
>>>>>>would do.
>>>>>
>>>>>So, God knows how He made Adam but He does not know how
>>>>>He made Adam.
>>>>
>>>>That doesn't make any sense. What does is, "God knows how He made
>>>>Adam, but He does not always choose to know Adam's future.
>>>
>>>That doesn't make any sense.
>>
>>Let me reword it simply. God doesn't always know the future. That is
>>His choice.
>
>Can we escape responsibility for a criminal act by saying we
>didn't look ahead?
only God can look ahead.
make that happen: Rev 21:3,4:
3. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the
tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they
shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their
God.
4. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there
shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall
there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
worship.
>
>>The Devil deserves nothing but annihilation.
>
>Apparently God does not think so else He would have made it so.
God has promised it, and all of God's promises always comes true!
>
>>The Devil deserves nothing but annihilation.
>
>Apparently God does not think so else He would have made it so.
>
>>>>>>The one we now call "Jesus" was the first creation, The spirit
>>>>>>creature now known as "Satan", might have been the second. He
>>>>>>apparently was quite beautiful in appearance and powerful at his
>>>>>>start.
>>>>>
>>>>>Every superhero requires a nemesis.
>>>>>Batman has the Joker.
>>>>
>>>>After Jehovah destroys Satan and his demons, he will have no nemesis'.
>>>
>>>Why did God create a nemesis?
>>
>>Why did Mrs Bundy give birth to the serial rapist and murderer Ted
>>Bundy?
>
>God made our bodies so that such things are possible.
>
>>Because she didn't know that he would become that.
>>Neither did God know that Satan would become Satan.
>
>God had to know how He made the angel that became Satan.
misused his free will. And he tempted Adam and Eve to their
destruction, as well as his own.
>
>>>>>Superman has Lex Luther.
>>>>>God has Satan.
>>>>
>>>>See above
>>>
>>>The firmament?
>>
>>What about it?
>
>The firmament is above.
Genesis 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which
were under the firmament from the waters which were above the
firmament: and it was so.
Now notice this translation:
-- Living Bible
Genesis 1:7 So God made the sky, dividing the vapor above from the
water below. This all happened on the second day.
Thus the firmament is our atmosphere.
>
>>But Adam did, and we are his genetic offspring.
>
>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>
>>>>Note:
>>>>
>>>>(Genesis 2:8) Further, Jehovah God planted a garden in E´den, toward
>>>>the east; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
>>>>
>>>>(Genesis 2:16) Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From
>>>>every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction.
>>>>
>>>>(Genesis 1:28) Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be
>>>>fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in
>>>>subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens
>>>>and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”
>>>>
>>>>(Genesis 2:18) Then Jehovah God said: “It is not good for the man to
>>>>continue to be alone. I am going to make a helper for him, as a
>>>>complement of him.”
>>>>
>>>>So to summarize, God planted a beautiful garden and placed the man and
>>>>woman in it. They had pleanty of food to eat. Their job was to have
>>>>babies and spread the garden to all the earth and be in charge of the
>>>>animals that he made for us.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It would be better for God's reputation if you said God
>>>>>makes errors.
>>>>
>>>>I don't lie.
>>>
>>>Not even to protect God's reputation?
>>
>>I have no need to lie for that, or anything else.
>
>You telling the truth about God is making God look very bad.
good outcome.
>
>>>>And many people
>>>>get their morals from Satan, instead of from God's word, the Bible.
>>>
>>>What determines how we use our free will?
>>
>>You do.
>
>Hopefully God acts to ensure all our choices have a good outcome.
After God destroys the wicked, who make things difficult for righteous
>
>>>>And many people
>>>>get their morals from Satan, instead of from God's word, the Bible.
>>>
>>>What determines how we use our free will?
>>
>>You do.
>
>Hopefully God acts to ensure all our choices have a good outcome.
ones, all our actions will have a good outcome.
There is a Scripture which tells us that this is not the REAL life.
That is yet to come.
That doesn't make any sense.
>
>
>
>>>>Adam
>>>>caused us to be imperfect. God will correct his flaw that he
>>>>genetically passed on.
>>>
>>>I'm wondering why God decided to make Adam that way.
>>
>>Ether that or make him a robot. God doesn't want robot worshippers.
>
>Hopefully God does not want any worshippers.
is the least we can do for Him.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>>>>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>>>>>>>>eat the apple.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>>>>>>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>>>>>>>>king.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>>>>>>>>other species.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>>>>>>>>don't.
>>>
>>>Other animals can only go with their God given instincts.
>>>We should copy the other animals that are not corrupted
>>>by our human ideas.
>>
>>Like what examples?
>
>We should fight for mating rights.
in Bible ignorance take whatever imperfect man feeds them.
buy the FMC. That always makes them responsible, right?
>
>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>Prices being raised all over
>>>>See what the Bible says
>>>
>>>Bible says God is the cause of all the wickedness.
>>
>>If God is the cause of all wickedness, who makes it so we can have the
>>joy of children? Who gave us taste buds to enjoy our food? Who causes
>>sunsets to be remarkable occasionally. Who caused us to see in 3-D
>>color, and listen in stereo? We just received two little orange
>>kittens. They have a ball chasing each other around etc, and are a joy
>>to watch.
>>
>>If God hates us so much as to create wickedness for us, who gets
>>credit for all the joyful things in life? Let me ask that again, who
>>gets credit for all the joyful things in life?
>
>Everything exists because God created, right?
Sincerely James
The contaminated earth
See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org
Lucifer
Jul 7, 2022, 4:47:46 AM7/7/22
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>>>>>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>
>>>>>That is why it is moot.
>>>>
>>>>I missed your answer.
>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>
>>>He can do both if He wants to. Like it is said, "God can do anything".
>>>(within His righteous standards) But His original designs were
>>>perfect, so He wouldn't be revising there. (free will and all)
>>Before you said God can't amend his perfect design but he can
>>revise his design. See earlier in this post for the reference.
>
>God COULD amend and revise any of his designs, even though they are
>perfect. If He wanted to give humans 3 arms and 3 legs, they would
>still be perfect, just with more appendages. I don't see why you can't
>understand it.
The proof is in this post.
>Why did Adam do such
>a terrible thing? He was worst than Hitler, 1,000,000 times over.
>Every person who has ever died, or will die, do so because of Adam.
The question is, why did God create Adam that way?
>>>And the farther our body gets away
>>>from Adam and Eve, the more corrupt it gets.
>>
>>And you say that is not an error?
>
>Yes it's an error that Adam brought to us.
error with Adam.
>But God will soon eliminate all the errors caused by Adam.
His power?
>>>>>>>>>>I'm asking,
>>>>>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in using Adam to downgrade us?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>God tested Adam's loyalty.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Does God not know how He made Adam?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, but by giving him free will, He didn't always know what Adam
>>>>>>>would do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, God knows how He made Adam but He does not know how
>>>>>>He made Adam.
>>>>>
>>>>>That doesn't make any sense. What does is, "God knows how He made
>>>>>Adam, but He does not always choose to know Adam's future.
>>>>
>>>>That doesn't make any sense.
>>>
>>>Let me reword it simply. God doesn't always know the future. That is
>>>His choice.
>>
>>Can we escape responsibility for a criminal act by saying we
>>didn't look ahead?
>
>Of course not. Each person is responsible for their own actions. And
>only God can look ahead.
everything, but an ordinary human would have known.
Genesis 11:1-9
New International Version
The Tower of Babel
11
1 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech.
2 As people moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar
and settled there.
3 They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them
thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar.
4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower
that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves;
otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”
5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were
building.
6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they
have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible
for them.
7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not
understand each other.”
8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they
stopped building the city.
9 That is why it was called Babel—because there the Lord confused
the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered
them over the face of the whole earth.
>>>The Devil deserves nothing but annihilation.
>>
>>Apparently God does not think so else He would have made it so.
>
>God has promised it, and all of God's promises always comes true!
>>>>>>>The one we now call "Jesus" was the first creation, The spirit
>>>>>>>creature now known as "Satan", might have been the second. He
>>>>>>>apparently was quite beautiful in appearance and powerful at his
>>>>>>>start.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Every superhero requires a nemesis.
>>>>>>Batman has the Joker.
>>>>>
>>>>>After Jehovah destroys Satan and his demons, he will have no nemesis'.
>>>>
>>>>Why did God create a nemesis?
>>>
>>>Why did Mrs Bundy give birth to the serial rapist and murderer Ted
>>>Bundy?
>>
>>God made our bodies so that such things are possible.
>
>Only if one chooses to do that. (recall free will)
>>>Because she didn't know that he would become that.
>>>Neither did God know that Satan would become Satan.
>>
>>God had to know how He made the angel that became Satan.
>
>God made him perfect. He could have remained perfect forever. But he
>misused his free will. And he tempted Adam and Eve to their
>destruction, as well as his own.
>>>>>>Superman has Lex Luther.
>>>>>>God has Satan.
>>>>>
>>>>>See above
>>>>
>>>>The firmament?
>>>
>>>What about it?
>>
>>The firmament is above.
>
>The firmament is a KJV translation:
>
>Genesis 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which
>were under the firmament from the waters which were above the
>firmament: and it was so.
>
>Now notice this translation:
>
>-- Living Bible
>Genesis 1:7 So God made the sky, dividing the vapor above from the
>water below. This all happened on the second day.
>
>Thus the firmament is our atmosphere.
It had windows to allow the rain.
That's biblical truth!
>>>But Adam did, and we are his genetic offspring.
>>
>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>
>Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!
>>>>>And many people
>>>>>get their morals from Satan, instead of from God's word, the Bible.
>>>>
>>>>What determines how we use our free will?
>>>
>>>You do.
>>
>>Hopefully God acts to ensure all our choices have a good outcome.
>
>After God destroys the wicked, who make things difficult for righteous
>ones, all our actions will have a good outcome.
The only way God can fix all the problems is by amending and revising
our design.
>There is a Scripture which tells us that this is not the REAL life.
>That is yet to come.
This is the ONLY life we get.
biology, mathematics, etc.
>>>>>Adam
>>>>>caused us to be imperfect. God will correct his flaw that he
>>>>>genetically passed on.
>>>>
>>>>I'm wondering why God decided to make Adam that way.
>>>
>>>Ether that or make him a robot. God doesn't want robot worshippers.
>>
>>Hopefully God does not want any worshippers.
>
>The Bible says God wants to be worshipped. He gives us so much, that
>is the least we can do for Him.
physics and designed the brains of the people who drive their
cars.
>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>Prices being raised all over
>>>>>See what the Bible says
>>>>
>>>>Bible says God is the cause of all the wickedness.
>>>
>>>If God is the cause of all wickedness, who makes it so we can have the
>>>joy of children? Who gave us taste buds to enjoy our food? Who causes
>>>sunsets to be remarkable occasionally. Who caused us to see in 3-D
>>>color, and listen in stereo? We just received two little orange
>>>kittens. They have a ball chasing each other around etc, and are a joy
>>>to watch.
>>>
>>>If God hates us so much as to create wickedness for us, who gets
>>>credit for all the joyful things in life? Let me ask that again, who
>>>gets credit for all the joyful things in life?
>>
>>Everything exists because God created, right?
>
>See above.
>Sincerely James
servant
Jul 7, 2022, 10:17:07 AM7/7/22
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Lucifer
Jul 8, 2022, 1:49:15 AM7/8/22
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zeb...@windstream.net
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 15:49:12 +1000, Lucifer
That's all the Bible is. Show me one deliberate lie in the Bible. Not
some translator who inserts a wrong word etc, but a real, deliberate
lie. I have never seen one. If you can't show me one, then I rest my
case.
>
>>>>>>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That is why it is moot.
>>>>>
>>>>>I missed your answer.
>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>
>>>>He can do both if He wants to. Like it is said, "God can do anything".
>>>>(within His righteous standards) But His original designs were
>>>>perfect, so He wouldn't be revising there. (free will and all)
>
>Why did you freely choose to have panic attacks?
The same reason you choose to be depressed.
>
>>>Before you said God can't amend his perfect design but he can
>>>revise his design. See earlier in this post for the reference.
>>
>>God COULD amend and revise any of his designs, even though they are
>>perfect. If He wanted to give humans 3 arms and 3 legs, they would
>>still be perfect, just with more appendages. I don't see why you can't
>>understand it.
>
>You try to confuse me by saying one thing then later denying it.
>The proof is in this post.
To be fair, just QUOTE the point in question, and then QUOTE my other
comment. Then we can see what is going on.
Who tells us it was because of Adam's disobedience etc, that such
things can happen.
>
>>Why did Adam do such
>>a terrible thing? He was worst than Hitler, 1,000,000 times over.
>>Every person who has ever died, or will die, do so because of Adam.
>
>We know why Adam did those things.
Adam deliberately disobeyed God. Eve was tricked by Satan.
>The question is, why did God create Adam that way?
We don't know a lot of reasons why God created like He did. Why two
eyes, and not three? Why no wings for mankind? Why not a 3rd set of
teeth for old-timers, etc?
>
>>>>And the farther our body gets away
>>>>from Adam and Eve, the more corrupt it gets.
>>>
>>>And you say that is not an error?
>>
>>Yes it's an error that Adam brought to us.
>
>You said God doesn't make errors yet now you say God made an
>error with Adam.
It's no error. How Adam was constructed was God's righteous way.
>
>>But God will soon eliminate all the errors caused by Adam.
>
>Does God put us through all the suffering so He could show us
>His power?
A lot of the suffering is by man himself. A teen takes LSD and jumps
out of a tall building. A drunk with his whole family crashes his car.
A country declares war on another country. A cruel dictator rules a
nation, etc, etc.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>I'm asking,
>>>>>>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in using Adam to downgrade us?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>God tested Adam's loyalty.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Does God not know how He made Adam?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes, but by giving him free will, He didn't always know what Adam
>>>>>>>>would do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So, God knows how He made Adam but He does not know how
>>>>>>>He made Adam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That doesn't make any sense. What does is, "God knows how He made
>>>>>>Adam, but He does not always choose to know Adam's future.
>>>>>
>>>>>That doesn't make any sense.
>>>>
>>>>Let me reword it simply. God doesn't always know the future. That is
>>>>His choice.
>>>
>>>Can we escape responsibility for a criminal act by saying we
>>>didn't look ahead?
>>
>>Of course not. Each person is responsible for their own actions. And
>>only God can look ahead.
>
>You said God did not know what would happen when He trashed
>everything, but an ordinary human would have known.
Explain.
The mandate at that time from God was to spread humans all over the
earth. Not just live in one spot. (Gen 1:28)
Yes, according to the way you are. For example, some people pray on
their knees, some pray standing, some stretched out flat on the
ground. (Muslims)
>
>>>>The Devil deserves nothing but annihilation.
>>>
>>>Apparently God does not think so else He would have made it so.
>>
>>God has promised it, and all of God's promises always comes true!
>
>Except the ones that don't!
Even those do.
>
>>>>>>>>The one we now call "Jesus" was the first creation, The spirit
>>>>>>>>creature now known as "Satan", might have been the second. He
>>>>>>>>apparently was quite beautiful in appearance and powerful at his
>>>>>>>>start.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Every superhero requires a nemesis.
>>>>>>>Batman has the Joker.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After Jehovah destroys Satan and his demons, he will have no nemesis'.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did God create a nemesis?
>>>>
>>>>Why did Mrs Bundy give birth to the serial rapist and murderer Ted
>>>>Bundy?
>>>
>>>God made our bodies so that such things are possible.
>>
>>Only if one chooses to do that. (recall free will)
>
>Apparently God did choose to do that.
God lets genetics help rule births.
>
>>>>Because she didn't know that he would become that.
>>>>Neither did God know that Satan would become Satan.
>>>
>>>God had to know how He made the angel that became Satan.
>>
>>God made him perfect. He could have remained perfect forever. But he
>>misused his free will. And he tempted Adam and Eve to their
>>destruction, as well as his own.
>
>Why did God create Satan, Adam, and Eve, that way?
God didn't want robots. He wanted beings that worshipped Him because
they believed that God's way were right, and out of love for Him.
>
>>>>>>>Superman has Lex Luther.
>>>>>>>God has Satan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>See above
>>>>>
>>>>>The firmament?
>>>>
>>>>What about it?
>>>
>>>The firmament is above.
>>
>>The firmament is a KJV translation:
>>
>>Genesis 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which
>>were under the firmament from the waters which were above the
>>firmament: and it was so.
>>
>>Now notice this translation:
>>
>>-- Living Bible
>>Genesis 1:7 So God made the sky, dividing the vapor above from the
>>water below. This all happened on the second day.
>>
>>Thus the firmament is our atmosphere.
>
>The firmament is the solid dome that covered the flat earth.
>It had windows to allow the rain.
>That's biblical truth!
Flat earth? Are you sure?
(Isaiah 40:22a) "There is One who dwells above the circle of the
earth,"
The Hebrew word used here for "circle" is "hhug" which according to
some Hebrew scholars also has the meaning of "sphere". (for example
see: "A Concordance of the Hebrew and Chaldee Scriptures by B.
Davidson")
Some other Bible translations therefore say, "the globe of the earth"
(Douay Version, DRA,), and "round ball of earth" (MSG), "the round
earth." (Moffatt).
With a spherical earth, that dome theory makes no sense!
God made us with no errors. (Deut 32:4)
>
>>>>But Adam did, and we are his genetic offspring.
>>>
>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>
>>Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!
>
>Why did God want Adam to be that way?
You said it, God didn't.
He didn't. Those are men acting on their free will.
>
>>>>>>And many people
>>>>>>get their morals from Satan, instead of from God's word, the Bible.
>>>>>
>>>>>What determines how we use our free will?
>>>>
>>>>You do.
>>>
>>>Hopefully God acts to ensure all our choices have a good outcome.
>>
>>After God destroys the wicked, who make things difficult for righteous
>>ones, all our actions will have a good outcome.
>
>Until we breed more.
That makes no difference. The wicked ones will be gone.
>
>The only way God can fix all the problems is by amending and revising
>our design.
God will remove all of Adam's genetic errors passed on to us.
>
>>There is a Scripture which tells us that this is not the REAL life.
>>That is yet to come.
>
>That scripture is very wrong.
>This is the ONLY life we get.
How do you know for sure? You never had a chance to live on a paradise
earth. All those who have died in the past, will be resurrected to a
"new earth" (one without wickedness). Notice:
(Acts 24:15) And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also
look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the
righteous and the unrighteous.
They will be given a chance to prove themselves to be obedient to
God's word. Those that aren't will be removed.
Thus most people who have died will have TWO lives on the earth. But
that's it. No more chances.
God's laws are pure. It is mankind who abuses them.
We have past history to show us why disobeying God's laws brings only
misery. There is no reason to "fall" knowing what the outcome would
be. We know what it is like to go our own way, and not God's. In the
past it was tried, only to their detriment. And the same today.
>
>>>>>>Adam
>>>>>>caused us to be imperfect. God will correct his flaw that he
>>>>>>genetically passed on.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm wondering why God decided to make Adam that way.
>>>>
>>>>Ether that or make him a robot. God doesn't want robot worshippers.
>>>
>>>Hopefully God does not want any worshippers.
>>
>>The Bible says God wants to be worshipped. He gives us so much, that
>>is the least we can do for Him.
>
>How can you worship the giver of great suffering?
Many people do worship the Devil. It makes no sense, but they do. Some
are not aware they worship the Devil, but are by obeying his
wickedness.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>eat the apple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>>>>>>>>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>king.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>other species.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>don't.
>>>>>
>>>>>Other animals can only go with their God given instincts.
>>>>>We should copy the other animals that are not corrupted
>>>>>by our human ideas.
>>>>
>>>>Like what examples?
>>>
>>>We should fight for mating rights.
>>
>>??
>
>??
What do you mean "We should fight for mating rights."?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>>>>>>>>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It can't be God:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God can't be God?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>
>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>"It can't be God:"
>>>>
>>>>That's right. It can't be God who gives us bad instincts.
>>>
>>>As you said, only God could design something as complex
>>>as our brain.
>
>Therefore it must be God.
I guess you could call it 'conditional programming'. What was
programmed into Adam, would only become active if he disobeyed the one
simple command of God. That command showed that God was in charge, and
to look to Him for guidance in all things. Notice:
(Jeremiah 10:23) I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not
belong to him. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct
his step.
>
Actually, it doesn't. Evolution producing different life forms is
primarily based on mutations. A mutation is a body part not acting
like it was programmed. For example, a frog with two heads would be a
mutation. And usually it would die much quicker than a normal frog.
In the fruit fly experiments, they exposed them to radiation, thus
producing mutations. The mutations were detrimental to the subjects.
It's like taking one step forward and two steps backwards. Eventually,
the mutated flies even started producing normal flies.
Thus, to me, the evolutionary theory is full of holes. We should
either not be here at all, or be here in a perfect state if evolution
was the way. We are neither.
So then, the FMC is not responsible for all crashed cars, even though
they created them? Then why is God to all humans?
Also, that's not a correct comparison. The laws of physics are
perfect. They are what keeps a car running, your house from caving
in, your refrigerator keeping your food from spoiling, your ability to
can foods, letting a spaceship travel to the moon, etc, etc.
People's brains on drugs and excessive alcohol is what can cause car
crashes. It has nothing to do with the original design. A teen going
100 mph in a residential zone can also cause all kinds of detriments.
>
>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>Prices being raised all over
>>>>>>See what the Bible says
>>>>>
>>>>>Bible says God is the cause of all the wickedness.
>>>>
>>>>If God is the cause of all wickedness, who makes it so we can have the
>>>>joy of children? Who gave us taste buds to enjoy our food? Who causes
>>>>sunsets to be remarkable occasionally. Who caused us to see in 3-D
>>>>color, and listen in stereo? We just received two little orange
>>>>kittens. They have a ball chasing each other around etc, and are a joy
>>>>to watch.
>>>>
>>>>If God hates us so much as to create wickedness for us, who gets
>>>>credit for all the joyful things in life? Let me ask that again, who
>>>>gets credit for all the joyful things in life?
>>>
>>>Everything exists because God created, right?
>>
>>See above.
>
>The firmament is above.
But is not what you claim.
Sincerely James
A world out of control
some translator who inserts a wrong word etc, but a real, deliberate
lie. I have never seen one. If you can't show me one, then I rest my
case.
>
>>>>>>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That is why it is moot.
>>>>>
>>>>>I missed your answer.
>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>
>>>>He can do both if He wants to. Like it is said, "God can do anything".
>>>>(within His righteous standards) But His original designs were
>>>>perfect, so He wouldn't be revising there. (free will and all)
>
>Why did you freely choose to have panic attacks?
>
>>>Before you said God can't amend his perfect design but he can
>>>revise his design. See earlier in this post for the reference.
>>
>>God COULD amend and revise any of his designs, even though they are
>>perfect. If He wanted to give humans 3 arms and 3 legs, they would
>>still be perfect, just with more appendages. I don't see why you can't
>>understand it.
>
>You try to confuse me by saying one thing then later denying it.
>The proof is in this post.
comment. Then we can see what is going on.
things can happen.
>
>>Why did Adam do such
>>a terrible thing? He was worst than Hitler, 1,000,000 times over.
>>Every person who has ever died, or will die, do so because of Adam.
>
>We know why Adam did those things.
>The question is, why did God create Adam that way?
eyes, and not three? Why no wings for mankind? Why not a 3rd set of
teeth for old-timers, etc?
>
>>>>And the farther our body gets away
>>>>from Adam and Eve, the more corrupt it gets.
>>>
>>>And you say that is not an error?
>>
>>Yes it's an error that Adam brought to us.
>
>You said God doesn't make errors yet now you say God made an
>error with Adam.
>
>>But God will soon eliminate all the errors caused by Adam.
>
>Does God put us through all the suffering so He could show us
>His power?
out of a tall building. A drunk with his whole family crashes his car.
A country declares war on another country. A cruel dictator rules a
nation, etc, etc.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>I'm asking,
>>>>>>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in using Adam to downgrade us?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>God tested Adam's loyalty.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Does God not know how He made Adam?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes, but by giving him free will, He didn't always know what Adam
>>>>>>>>would do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So, God knows how He made Adam but He does not know how
>>>>>>>He made Adam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That doesn't make any sense. What does is, "God knows how He made
>>>>>>Adam, but He does not always choose to know Adam's future.
>>>>>
>>>>>That doesn't make any sense.
>>>>
>>>>Let me reword it simply. God doesn't always know the future. That is
>>>>His choice.
>>>
>>>Can we escape responsibility for a criminal act by saying we
>>>didn't look ahead?
>>
>>Of course not. Each person is responsible for their own actions. And
>>only God can look ahead.
>
>You said God did not know what would happen when He trashed
>everything, but an ordinary human would have known.
earth. Not just live in one spot. (Gen 1:28)
their knees, some pray standing, some stretched out flat on the
ground. (Muslims)
>
>>>>The Devil deserves nothing but annihilation.
>>>
>>>Apparently God does not think so else He would have made it so.
>>
>>God has promised it, and all of God's promises always comes true!
>
>Except the ones that don't!
>
>>>>>>>>The one we now call "Jesus" was the first creation, The spirit
>>>>>>>>creature now known as "Satan", might have been the second. He
>>>>>>>>apparently was quite beautiful in appearance and powerful at his
>>>>>>>>start.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Every superhero requires a nemesis.
>>>>>>>Batman has the Joker.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After Jehovah destroys Satan and his demons, he will have no nemesis'.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did God create a nemesis?
>>>>
>>>>Why did Mrs Bundy give birth to the serial rapist and murderer Ted
>>>>Bundy?
>>>
>>>God made our bodies so that such things are possible.
>>
>>Only if one chooses to do that. (recall free will)
>
>Apparently God did choose to do that.
>
>>>>Because she didn't know that he would become that.
>>>>Neither did God know that Satan would become Satan.
>>>
>>>God had to know how He made the angel that became Satan.
>>
>>God made him perfect. He could have remained perfect forever. But he
>>misused his free will. And he tempted Adam and Eve to their
>>destruction, as well as his own.
>
>Why did God create Satan, Adam, and Eve, that way?
they believed that God's way were right, and out of love for Him.
>
>>>>>>>Superman has Lex Luther.
>>>>>>>God has Satan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>See above
>>>>>
>>>>>The firmament?
>>>>
>>>>What about it?
>>>
>>>The firmament is above.
>>
>>The firmament is a KJV translation:
>>
>>Genesis 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which
>>were under the firmament from the waters which were above the
>>firmament: and it was so.
>>
>>Now notice this translation:
>>
>>-- Living Bible
>>Genesis 1:7 So God made the sky, dividing the vapor above from the
>>water below. This all happened on the second day.
>>
>>Thus the firmament is our atmosphere.
>
>The firmament is the solid dome that covered the flat earth.
>It had windows to allow the rain.
>That's biblical truth!
(Isaiah 40:22a) "There is One who dwells above the circle of the
earth,"
The Hebrew word used here for "circle" is "hhug" which according to
some Hebrew scholars also has the meaning of "sphere". (for example
see: "A Concordance of the Hebrew and Chaldee Scriptures by B.
Davidson")
Some other Bible translations therefore say, "the globe of the earth"
(Douay Version, DRA,), and "round ball of earth" (MSG), "the round
earth." (Moffatt).
With a spherical earth, that dome theory makes no sense!
>
>>>>But Adam did, and we are his genetic offspring.
>>>
>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>
>>Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!
>
>Why did God want Adam to be that way?
>
>>>>>>And many people
>>>>>>get their morals from Satan, instead of from God's word, the Bible.
>>>>>
>>>>>What determines how we use our free will?
>>>>
>>>>You do.
>>>
>>>Hopefully God acts to ensure all our choices have a good outcome.
>>
>>After God destroys the wicked, who make things difficult for righteous
>>ones, all our actions will have a good outcome.
>
>Until we breed more.
>
>The only way God can fix all the problems is by amending and revising
>our design.
>
>>There is a Scripture which tells us that this is not the REAL life.
>>That is yet to come.
>
>That scripture is very wrong.
>This is the ONLY life we get.
earth. All those who have died in the past, will be resurrected to a
"new earth" (one without wickedness). Notice:
(Acts 24:15) And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also
look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the
righteous and the unrighteous.
They will be given a chance to prove themselves to be obedient to
God's word. Those that aren't will be removed.
Thus most people who have died will have TWO lives on the earth. But
that's it. No more chances.
misery. There is no reason to "fall" knowing what the outcome would
be. We know what it is like to go our own way, and not God's. In the
past it was tried, only to their detriment. And the same today.
>
>>>>>>Adam
>>>>>>caused us to be imperfect. God will correct his flaw that he
>>>>>>genetically passed on.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm wondering why God decided to make Adam that way.
>>>>
>>>>Ether that or make him a robot. God doesn't want robot worshippers.
>>>
>>>Hopefully God does not want any worshippers.
>>
>>The Bible says God wants to be worshipped. He gives us so much, that
>>is the least we can do for Him.
>
>How can you worship the giver of great suffering?
are not aware they worship the Devil, but are by obeying his
wickedness.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>eat the apple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>>>>>>>>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>king.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>other species.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>don't.
>>>>>
>>>>>Other animals can only go with their God given instincts.
>>>>>We should copy the other animals that are not corrupted
>>>>>by our human ideas.
>>>>
>>>>Like what examples?
>>>
>>>We should fight for mating rights.
>>
>>??
>
>??
>
>>>>>>>>>>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>>>>>>>>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It can't be God:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God can't be God?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>
>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>"It can't be God:"
>>>>
>>>>That's right. It can't be God who gives us bad instincts.
>>>
>>>As you said, only God could design something as complex
>>>as our brain.
>
>Therefore it must be God.
programmed into Adam, would only become active if he disobeyed the one
simple command of God. That command showed that God was in charge, and
to look to Him for guidance in all things. Notice:
(Jeremiah 10:23) I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not
belong to him. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct
his step.
>
primarily based on mutations. A mutation is a body part not acting
like it was programmed. For example, a frog with two heads would be a
mutation. And usually it would die much quicker than a normal frog.
In the fruit fly experiments, they exposed them to radiation, thus
producing mutations. The mutations were detrimental to the subjects.
It's like taking one step forward and two steps backwards. Eventually,
the mutated flies even started producing normal flies.
Thus, to me, the evolutionary theory is full of holes. We should
either not be here at all, or be here in a perfect state if evolution
was the way. We are neither.
they created them? Then why is God to all humans?
Also, that's not a correct comparison. The laws of physics are
perfect. They are what keeps a car running, your house from caving
in, your refrigerator keeping your food from spoiling, your ability to
can foods, letting a spaceship travel to the moon, etc, etc.
People's brains on drugs and excessive alcohol is what can cause car
crashes. It has nothing to do with the original design. A teen going
100 mph in a residential zone can also cause all kinds of detriments.
>
>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>Prices being raised all over
>>>>>>See what the Bible says
>>>>>
>>>>>Bible says God is the cause of all the wickedness.
>>>>
>>>>If God is the cause of all wickedness, who makes it so we can have the
>>>>joy of children? Who gave us taste buds to enjoy our food? Who causes
>>>>sunsets to be remarkable occasionally. Who caused us to see in 3-D
>>>>color, and listen in stereo? We just received two little orange
>>>>kittens. They have a ball chasing each other around etc, and are a joy
>>>>to watch.
>>>>
>>>>If God hates us so much as to create wickedness for us, who gets
>>>>credit for all the joyful things in life? Let me ask that again, who
>>>>gets credit for all the joyful things in life?
>>>
>>>Everything exists because God created, right?
>>
>>See above.
>
>The firmament is above.
Sincerely James
A world out of control
See what the Bible says
tesla sTinker
Jul 8, 2022, 8:46:17 PM7/8/22
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On 6/5/2022 12:26 PM, zeb...@windstream.net scribbled:
> On Tue, 31 May 2022 18:43:22 -0700, tesla sTinker
>>> On Thu, 26 May 2022 10:05:38 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> The brainless evolution #5 vs DNA
>>>>
>>>> If the complex DNA is coded information by random chance to build a
>>>> certain species, then what changed the code to produce a different
>>>> species? Random chance again? And a different species? Another random
>>>> chance? And another different species? More random chance? Etc, etc,
>>>> etc, etc....millions of times.
>>>>
>>>> You don't see high brain power behind such codes? There is more to DNA
>>>> than just creating the species. Let's take a bird. (no it's not a
>>>> dinosaur) Not only does the DNA have to create the bird, but also its
>>>> habits.
>>>>
>>>> For example, it builds nests. But not on the ground where predators
>>>> can get to it, but way up in trees. But the DNA also has to define a
>>>> tree, so it knows were to build its nest. Then the DNA has to tell it
>>>> how to build it and what it will look like.
>>>>
>>>> All of this from mindless random chance? You decide.
>>>
>>> Thou hypocrite. You use man made medicine probably derived
>>> using our knowledge of evolution to control your faulty brain
>>> you claim was designed by an all knowing and caring God.
>>>
>>>> Sincerely James
>>>
>>>> The brainless evolution #5 vs DNA
>>>>
>>>> If the complex DNA is coded information by random chance to build a
>>>> certain species, then what changed the code to produce a different
>>>> species? Random chance again? And a different species? Another random
>>>> chance? And another different species? More random chance? Etc, etc,
>>>> etc, etc....millions of times.
>>>>
>>>> You don't see high brain power behind such codes? There is more to DNA
>>>> than just creating the species. Let's take a bird. (no it's not a
>>>> dinosaur) Not only does the DNA have to create the bird, but also its
>>>> habits.
>>>>
>>>> For example, it builds nests. But not on the ground where predators
>>>> can get to it, but way up in trees. But the DNA also has to define a
>>>> tree, so it knows were to build its nest. Then the DNA has to tell it
>>>> how to build it and what it will look like.
>>>>
>>>> All of this from mindless random chance? You decide.
>>>
>>> Thou hypocrite. You use man made medicine probably derived
>>> using our knowledge of evolution to control your faulty brain
>>> you claim was designed by an all knowing and caring God.
>>>
>>>> Are-last days we-last days in-last days?
>>>
>>> That makes no sense.
>>> Why do your masters want you to filter everything through them?
>> He is an all knowing and caring God. The JWs, are wrong. That is a
>> fact, because they ignore the part of the real Bible, that says, its not
>> all in here. Which means, they dont know shit.
>
> You apparently don't know your Bible. God at times IS NOT all knowing.
> At times, He does not want to know things, such as the atrocities
> going on in Sodom and Gomorrah.
your pagan. You are the one that dont know anything, because you will
not and do not listen to the Church Fathers. And God said, He knows
everthing in His Holy Bible, but you, only read, lucifers bible. So
what good is that, a bunch of lies that are not His book.? And answer
the question, not avoid it. Because its loud and clear, God said, He
would send you to hell, for changing it, even a slight amount. And u
ass hole protestants, still think its ok to tell someone, the catholic
Bible is not the Bible??? Talk about brainless.... ??? Thats you.
Complete, with no brain.
>
> JW's ignore no part of the Bible. If something is in the Bible, JW's
> as a whole, know about it.
>
> Sincerely James
> war& starvation
Lucifer
Jul 8, 2022, 11:38:37 PM7/8/22
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Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
>>>>>>>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That is why it is moot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I missed your answer.
>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>
>>>>>He can do both if He wants to. Like it is said, "God can do anything".
>>>>>(within His righteous standards) But His original designs were
>>>>>perfect, so He wouldn't be revising there. (free will and all)
>>
>>Why did you freely choose to have panic attacks?
>
>The same reason you choose to be depressed.
>>>>Before you said God can't amend his perfect design but he can
>>>>revise his design. See earlier in this post for the reference.
>>>
>>>God COULD amend and revise any of his designs, even though they are
>>>perfect. If He wanted to give humans 3 arms and 3 legs, they would
>>>still be perfect, just with more appendages. I don't see why you can't
>>>understand it.
>>
>>You try to confuse me by saying one thing then later denying it.
>>The proof is in this post.
>
>To be fair, just QUOTE the point in question, and then QUOTE my other
>comment. Then we can see what is going on.
>>His design is perfect, it can't be improved. But it can be revised
>>many times.
</quote>
>>many times.
>>>Why did Adam do such
>>>a terrible thing? He was worst than Hitler, 1,000,000 times over.
>>>Every person who has ever died, or will die, do so because of Adam.
>>
>>We know why Adam did those things.
>
>Adam deliberately disobeyed God. Eve was tricked by Satan.
>
>>The question is, why did God create Adam that way?
>
>We don't know a lot of reasons why God created like He did. Why two
>eyes, and not three? Why no wings for mankind? Why not a 3rd set of
>teeth for old-timers, etc?
the strongest survive? Why a brain which causes panic attacks,
depression, homosexuality, murderous rampages, and control
freaks?
>>>>>And the farther our body gets away
>>>>>from Adam and Eve, the more corrupt it gets.
>>>>
>>>>And you say that is not an error?
>>>
>>>Yes it's an error that Adam brought to us.
>>
>>You said God doesn't make errors yet now you say God made an
>>error with Adam.
>
>It's no error. How Adam was constructed was God's righteous way.
God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>>But God will soon eliminate all the errors caused by Adam.
>>
>>Does God put us through all the suffering so He could show us
>>His power?
>
>A lot of the suffering is by man himself. A teen takes LSD and jumps
>out of a tall building. A drunk with his whole family crashes his car.
>A country declares war on another country. A cruel dictator rules a
>nation, etc, etc.
Does God cause those things so He can show us His power?
>>
>>Does God put us through all the suffering so He could show us
>>His power?
>
>A lot of the suffering is by man himself. A teen takes LSD and jumps
>out of a tall building. A drunk with his whole family crashes his car.
>A country declares war on another country. A cruel dictator rules a
>nation, etc, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm asking,
>>>>>>>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in using Adam to downgrade us?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>God tested Adam's loyalty.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Does God not know how He made Adam?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes, but by giving him free will, He didn't always know what Adam
>>>>>>>>>would do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So, God knows how He made Adam but He does not know how
>>>>>>>>He made Adam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That doesn't make any sense. What does is, "God knows how He made
>>>>>>>Adam, but He does not always choose to know Adam's future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That doesn't make any sense.
>>>>>
>>>>>Let me reword it simply. God doesn't always know the future. That is
>>>>>His choice.
>>>>
>>>>Can we escape responsibility for a criminal act by saying we
>>>>didn't look ahead?
>>>
>>>Of course not. Each person is responsible for their own actions. And
>>>only God can look ahead.
>>
>>You said God did not know what would happen when He trashed
>>everything, but an ordinary human would have known.
>
>Explain.
downgrading everything. See Genesis for the details.
>>>>>The Devil deserves nothing but annihilation.
>>>>
>>>>Apparently God does not think so else He would have made it so.
>>>
>>>God has promised it, and all of God's promises always comes true!
>>
>>Except the ones that don't!
>
>Even those do.
>
>>
>>>>>>>>>The one we now call "Jesus" was the first creation, The spirit
>>>>>>>>>creature now known as "Satan", might have been the second. He
>>>>>>>>>apparently was quite beautiful in appearance and powerful at his
>>>>>>>>>start.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Every superhero requires a nemesis.
>>>>>>>>Batman has the Joker.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>After Jehovah destroys Satan and his demons, he will have no nemesis'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why did God create a nemesis?
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did Mrs Bundy give birth to the serial rapist and murderer Ted
>>>>>Bundy?
>>>>
>>>>God made our bodies so that such things are possible.
>>>
>>>Only if one chooses to do that. (recall free will)
>>
>>Apparently God did choose to do that.
>
>God lets genetics help rule births.
>>>>>Because she didn't know that he would become that.
>>>>>Neither did God know that Satan would become Satan.
>>>>
>>>>God had to know how He made the angel that became Satan.
>>>
>>>God made him perfect. He could have remained perfect forever. But he
>>>misused his free will. And he tempted Adam and Eve to their
>>>destruction, as well as his own.
>>
>>Why did God create Satan, Adam, and Eve, that way?
>
>God didn't want robots. He wanted beings that worshipped Him because
>they believed that God's way were right, and out of love for Him.
you say God designed.
>>>>>>>>Superman has Lex Luther.
>>>>>>>>God has Satan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>See above
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The firmament?
>>>>>
>>>>>What about it?
>>>>
>>>>The firmament is above.
>>>
>>>The firmament is a KJV translation:
>>>
>>>Genesis 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which
>>>were under the firmament from the waters which were above the
>>>firmament: and it was so.
>>>
>>>Now notice this translation:
>>>
>>>-- Living Bible
>>>Genesis 1:7 So God made the sky, dividing the vapor above from the
>>>water below. This all happened on the second day.
>>>
>>>Thus the firmament is our atmosphere.
>>
>>The firmament is the solid dome that covered the flat earth.
>>It had windows to allow the rain.
>>That's biblical truth!
>
>Flat earth? Are you sure?
<quote>
>>>All humans make mistakes.
>God made us with no errors.
</quote>
>>>>>But Adam did, and we are his genetic offspring.
>>>>
>>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>>
>>>Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!
>>
>>Why did God want Adam to be that way?
>
>You said it, God didn't.
>>>>>>>And many people
>>>>>>>get their morals from Satan, instead of from God's word, the Bible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What determines how we use our free will?
>>>>>
>>>>>You do.
>>>>
>>>>Hopefully God acts to ensure all our choices have a good outcome.
>>>
>>>After God destroys the wicked, who make things difficult for righteous
>>>ones, all our actions will have a good outcome.
>>
>>Until we breed more.
>
>That makes no difference. The wicked ones will be gone.
>>The only way God can fix all the problems is by amending and revising
>>our design.
>
>God will remove all of Adam's genetic errors passed on to us.
>>>There is a Scripture which tells us that this is not the REAL life.
>>>That is yet to come.
>>
>>That scripture is very wrong.
>>This is the ONLY life we get.
>
>How do you know for sure? You never had a chance to live on a paradise
>earth. All those who have died in the past, will be resurrected to a
>"new earth" (one without wickedness).
How do you know for sure?
When brain activity ceases the person ceases to exist.
The afterlife is a lie to control people.
We are living longer and generally better lives.
We even have medication to help people control
their panic attacks.
>>>>>>>Adam
>>>>>>>caused us to be imperfect. God will correct his flaw that he
>>>>>>>genetically passed on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm wondering why God decided to make Adam that way.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ether that or make him a robot. God doesn't want robot worshippers.
>>>>
>>>>Hopefully God does not want any worshippers.
>>>
>>>The Bible says God wants to be worshipped. He gives us so much, that
>>>is the least we can do for Him.
>>
>>How can you worship the giver of great suffering?
>
>Many people do worship the Devil. It makes no sense, but they do.
>Some are not aware they worship the Devil, but are by obeying his
>wickedness.
Back to the question.
How can you worship the giver of great suffering?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>eat the apple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>king.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>other species.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Other animals can only go with their God given instincts.
>>>>>>We should copy the other animals that are not corrupted
>>>>>>by our human ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>>Like what examples?
>>>>
>>>>We should fight for mating rights.
>>>
>>>??
>>
>>??
>
>What do you mean "We should fight for mating rights."?
We should not fight our God given instincts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>eat the apple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>king.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>other species.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Other animals can only go with their God given instincts.
>>>>>>We should copy the other animals that are not corrupted
>>>>>>by our human ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>>Like what examples?
>>>>
>>>>We should fight for mating rights.
>>>
>>>??
>>
>>??
>
>What do you mean "We should fight for mating rights."?
>>>>>>>>>>>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>>>>>>>>>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It can't be God:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God can't be God?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>"It can't be God:"
>>>>>
>>>>>That's right. It can't be God who gives us bad instincts.
>>>>
>>>>As you said, only God could design something as complex
>>>>as our brain.
>>
>>Therefore it must be God.
>
>I guess you could call it 'conditional programming'. What was
>programmed into Adam, would only become active if he disobeyed the one
>simple command of God. That command showed that God was in charge, and
>to look to Him for guidance in all things.
Notice:
Job 1
New International Version
Prologue
1 In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job.
This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil.
2 He had seven sons and three daughters,
3 and he owned seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, five
hundred yoke of oxen and five hundred donkeys, and had a large
number of servants. He was the greatest man among all the people
of the East.
4 His sons used to hold feasts in their homes on their birthdays, and
they would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them.
5 When a period of feasting had run its course, Job would make
arrangements for them to be purified. Early in the morning he would
sacrifice a burnt offering for each of them, thinking, “Perhaps my
children have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” This was Job’s
regular custom.
6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord,
and Satan also came with them.
7 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth,
going back and forth on it.”
8 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job?
There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man
who fears God and shuns evil.”
9 “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied.
10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and
everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that
his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land.
11 But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has,
and he will surely curse you to your face.”
12 The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in
your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.”
Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.
13 One day when Job’s sons and daughters were feasting and
drinking wine at the oldest brother’s house,
14 a messenger came to Job and said, “The oxen were plowing
and the donkeys were grazing nearby,
15 and the Sabeans attacked and made off with them.
They put the servants to the sword, and I am the only one who
has escaped to tell you!”
16 While he was still speaking, another messenger came and
said, “The fire of God fell from the heavens and burned up the
sheep and the servants, and I am the only one who has escaped
to tell you!”
17 While he was still speaking, another messenger came and
said, “The Chaldeans formed three raiding parties and swept down
on your camels and made off with them. They put the servants to the
sword, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”
18 While he was still speaking, yet another messenger came and said,
“Your sons and daughters were feasting and drinking wine at the oldest
brother’s house,
19 when suddenly a mighty wind swept in from the desert and struck
the four corners of the house. It collapsed on them and they are dead,
and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!”
>Also, that's not a correct comparison. The laws of physics are
>perfect. They are what keeps a car running, your house from caving
>in, your refrigerator keeping your food from spoiling, your ability to
>can foods, letting a spaceship travel to the moon, etc, etc.
>
>People's brains on drugs and excessive alcohol is what can cause car
>crashes. It has nothing to do with the original design. A teen going
>100 mph in a residential zone can also cause all kinds of detriments.
zeb...@windstream.net
Jul 9, 2022, 8:30:24 AM7/9/22
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On 07 Jul 2022 14:17:05 GMT, servant wrote:
>Friend james goes off in all directions when he is unable to plugin a
>rotely learned jw vatican answer to many questions/observations. Thus it
>is for the question of the subject alone we are interested, not another
>question possibly related to those plug in responses.
>
>Let's give him another chance. Observing God's creation, a 2nd revelation
>along with scripture, provides info about the history of living things
>going back millions of years.
Thousands of years.
>Friend james goes off in all directions when he is unable to plugin a
>rotely learned jw vatican answer to many questions/observations. Thus it
>is for the question of the subject alone we are interested, not another
>question possibly related to those plug in responses.
>
>Let's give him another chance. Observing God's creation, a 2nd revelation
>along with scripture, provides info about the history of living things
>going back millions of years.
> >Long ago observation finds living things in abundance of many
kinds. When >we compare them with existing living things an
interesting observation >occurs. > >*None* of those ancient life forms
now exist. *None* of those of today >are found in that ancient time.
You are mislead. The cockroach has been around since early times.
kinds. When >we compare them with existing living things an
interesting observation >occurs. > >*None* of those ancient life forms
now exist. *None* of those of today >are found in that ancient time.
Scientists give it 280 million years ago.
The hippo 16 million years ago.
Also the alligator. 245 millions of years ago. There are many more,
esp the microscopic ones.
> >There is based on those observations alone a *huge* gap in the
nature and >kinds and change of living things in the history of God's
creation.
How can you call it "God's creation" on one hand, and brainless
nature and >kinds and change of living things in the history of God's
creation.
evolution on another?
> >What model would best explain the *vast* biological change in
living things >over time between the two observation points? That is
for friend james to >provide an answer alone about God's history of
the creation.
There has never been one life form turning into a different life form.
living things >over time between the two observation points? That is
for friend james to >provide an answer alone about God's history of
the creation.
God created each one individually. However, there has been
Microevolution. For example, a dog in the winter getting a thicker
coat. But it is still always a dog.
> >Btw, "I don't know and the jw vatican lacks an answer also" is
avalid >answer. >
Without looking it up, I have no idea what the organization says about
avalid >answer. >
all of this.
Sincerely James
A world out of control
See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org
zeb...@windstream.net
Jul 9, 2022, 8:35:35 AM7/9/22
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>
>>Sincerely James
>>The contaminated earth
>>See what the Bible says
>
>God is contaminated.
justice.
Sincerely James
A world out of control
See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org
Lucifer
Jul 9, 2022, 8:51:19 AM7/9/22
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>>>Sincerely James
>>>The contaminated earth
>>>See what the Bible says
>>
>>God is contaminated.
>
>Yes, contaminated with righteousness and goodness and complete
>justice.
I'm looking forward to you describing the exact mechanism God
uses to create.
>Sincerely James
>A world out of control
>See what the Bible says
zeb...@windstream.net
Jul 9, 2022, 9:15:33 AM7/9/22
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On 05 Jul 2022 14:39:56 GMT, servant wrote:
>Friend james goes off in all directions when he is unable to plugin a
>rotely learned jw vatican answer to many questions/observations. Thus it
>is for the question of the subject alone we are interested, not another
>question possibly related to those plug in responses.
Your plug in response to JW's is here for all to see.
>Friend james goes off in all directions when he is unable to plugin a
>rotely learned jw vatican answer to many questions/observations. Thus it
>is for the question of the subject alone we are interested, not another
>question possibly related to those plug in responses.
>
>Let's give him another chance. Observing God's creation, a 2nd revelation
>along with scripture, provides info about the history of living things
>going back millions of years.
>
>Long ago observation finds living things in abundance of many kinds. When
>we compare them with existing living things an interesting observation
>occurs.
>
>*None* of those ancient life forms now exist. *None* of those of today
>are found in that ancient time.
around today. Like the cockroach, the alligator, the hippo and many
microscopic life forms.
>
>There is based on those observations alone a *huge* gap in the nature and
>kinds and change of living things in the history of God's creation.
>
>What model would best explain the *vast* biological change in living things
>over time between the two observation points? That is for friend james to
>provide an answer alone about God's history of the creation.
>
>Btw, "I don't know and the jw vatican lacks an answer also" is avalid
>answer.
to the modern theory in that the fossil record shows life forms
suddenly appearing in the strata AND fully formed. No 'missing links.
Here are a couple of questions for you. How did we end up with male
and female of most species? Which one came first?
Sincerely James
A world out of control
servant
Jul 9, 2022, 10:45:02 AM7/9/22
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>>Friend james goes off in all directions when he is unable to plugin a
>>rotely learned jw vatican answer to many questions/observations. Thus it
>>is for the question of the subject alone we are interested, not another
>>question possibly related to those plug in responses.
>
>>Let's give him another chance. Observing God's creation, a 2nd revelation
>>along with scripture, provides info about the history of living things
>>going back millions of years.
>
>Thousands of years.
> > >Long ago observation finds living things in abundance of many
>kinds. When >we compare them with existing living things an
>interesting observation >occurs. > >*None* of those ancient life forms
>now exist. *None* of those of today >are found in that ancient time.
>You are mislead. The cockroach has been around since early times.
>Scientists give it 280 million years ago.
>Also the alligator. 245 millions of years ago. There are many more,
>esp the microscopic ones.
Shrug, no exact time depth was given as provided in the observation and
>esp the microscopic ones.
question on the table.
Living things with more then one cell are observed at least 3 and perhaps
3.5 billion years ago, one cell bacteria like life forms at least 4
billion.
The record in God's creation finds the first multi-cell living things on
land appearing out of the sea some 300 million years ago. One cell
bacteria on land appeaar some 2.8 billion years ago.
> > >There is based on those observations alone a *huge* gap in the
>nature and >kinds and change of living things in the history of God's
>creation.
>How can you call it "God's creation" on one hand, and brainless
>evolution on another?
in its nature andkind. Thus the obvious question:
> > >What model would best explain the *vast* biological change in
>living things >over time between the two observation points? That is
>for friend james to >provide an answer alone about God's history of
>the creation.
>
approach,ie. answer another question instead as a diversion.
>There has never been one life form turning into a different life form.
>God created each one individually. However, there has been
>Microevolution. For example, a dog in the winter getting a thicker
>coat. But it is still always a dog.
Wolves are no older then 2 million years ago. Given your example, how do
we account for the gap between the first multi-cel life on land and that 2
million year point when anything like dogs appeared?
> > >Btw, "I don't know and the jw vatican lacks an answer also" is
>avalid >answer. >
vatican even has apossible answer:
zeb...@windstream.net
Jul 9, 2022, 9:11:34 PM7/9/22
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2022 13:38:29 +1000, Lucifer
That statement is about as true as truth can get. Come on, you can do
better than that, if as you say the Bible is full of lies. Try again.
Give me something that is no question about it, but it is a lie. For
example something like: "The moon is made of green cheese".
>
>>>>>>>>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That is why it is moot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I missed your answer.
>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He can do both if He wants to. Like it is said, "God can do anything".
>>>>>>(within His righteous standards) But His original designs were
>>>>>>perfect, so He wouldn't be revising there. (free will and all)
>>>
>>>Why did you freely choose to have panic attacks?
>>
>>The same reason you choose to be depressed.
>
>What do we base our choices on?
lies.
>
>>>>>Before you said God can't amend his perfect design but he can
>>>>>revise his design. See earlier in this post for the reference.
>>>>
>>>>God COULD amend and revise any of his designs, even though they are
>>>>perfect. If He wanted to give humans 3 arms and 3 legs, they would
>>>>still be perfect, just with more appendages. I don't see why you can't
>>>>understand it.
>>>
>>>You try to confuse me by saying one thing then later denying it.
>>>The proof is in this post.
>>
>>To be fair, just QUOTE the point in question, and then QUOTE my other
>>comment. Then we can see what is going on.
>
><quote>
>>>His design is perfect, it can't be improved. But it can be revised
>>>many times.
></quote>
Like you say it can't be improved by the original creative act. But
since Adam CHANGED THINGS, God can correct those errors. (revise it
back to the way it's supposed to be.)
Does it say GOD downgraded us? You are blaming God for Adam's sin.
>
>>>>Why did Adam do such
>>>>a terrible thing? He was worst than Hitler, 1,000,000 times over.
>>>>Every person who has ever died, or will die, do so because of Adam.
>>>
>>>We know why Adam did those things.
>>
>>Adam deliberately disobeyed God. Eve was tricked by Satan.
>>
>>>The question is, why did God create Adam that way?
>>
>>We don't know a lot of reasons why God created like He did. Why two
>>eyes, and not three? Why no wings for mankind? Why not a 3rd set of
>>teeth for old-timers, etc?
>
>Why flightless birds?
Because they never got their pilot's licenses.
>Why a world where life feeds off life and only
>the strongest survive?
Within the civilized world, even the weak can survive.
>Why a brain which causes panic attacks,
>depression, homosexuality, murderous rampages, and control
>freaks?
You are blaming the brain for such things? Actually it's the
personality within the brain that causes such. But those are just some
negative things. There are also positive things like helping the poor,
loving one's family and others, feeding others in 3rd world countries,
giving one's life to save another, etc, etc.
>
>>>>>>And the farther our body gets away
>>>>>>from Adam and Eve, the more corrupt it gets.
>>>>>
>>>>>And you say that is not an error?
>>>>
>>>>Yes it's an error that Adam brought to us.
>>>
>>>You said God doesn't make errors yet now you say God made an
>>>error with Adam.
>>
>>It's no error. How Adam was constructed was God's righteous way.
>
>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
No errors with Adam in the beginning. Same with the angel Satan. (and
his demon subordinate friends)
your question.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm asking,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in using Adam to downgrade us?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>God tested Adam's loyalty.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Does God not know how He made Adam?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Yes, but by giving him free will, He didn't always know what Adam
>>>>>>>>>>would do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So, God knows how He made Adam but He does not know how
>>>>>>>>>He made Adam.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That doesn't make any sense. What does is, "God knows how He made
>>>>>>>>Adam, but He does not always choose to know Adam's future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That doesn't make any sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Let me reword it simply. God doesn't always know the future. That is
>>>>>>His choice.
>>>>>
>>>>>Can we escape responsibility for a criminal act by saying we
>>>>>didn't look ahead?
>>>>
>>>>Of course not. Each person is responsible for their own actions. And
>>>>only God can look ahead.
>>>
>>>You said God did not know what would happen when He trashed
>>>everything, but an ordinary human would have known.
>>
>>Explain.
>
>An ordinary person would have known the effect of God
>downgrading everything. See Genesis for the details.
Yes, God is highly organized and gives many details about lots of
things in Genesis. The imperfections we have today can be blamed on
God, but that doesn't make it true.
Going against God certainly did not bring happiness. But God will
correct our errors in spite of ourselves.
A privilege to talk to a Being that created the billions and trillions
of suns out there, many bigger than ours. Just how much energy would
that take?
You probably could not even get a one on one discussion with President
Biden. Yet you can talk to the awesome One.
>
>>>>>>The Devil deserves nothing but annihilation.
>>>>>
>>>>>Apparently God does not think so else He would have made it so.
>>>>
>>>>God has promised it, and all of God's promises always comes true!
>>>
>>>Except the ones that don't!
>>
>>Even those do.
>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The one we now call "Jesus" was the first creation, The spirit
>>>>>>>>>>creature now known as "Satan", might have been the second. He
>>>>>>>>>>apparently was quite beautiful in appearance and powerful at his
>>>>>>>>>>start.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Every superhero requires a nemesis.
>>>>>>>>>Batman has the Joker.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>After Jehovah destroys Satan and his demons, he will have no nemesis'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did God create a nemesis?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why did Mrs Bundy give birth to the serial rapist and murderer Ted
>>>>>>Bundy?
>>>>>
>>>>>God made our bodies so that such things are possible.
>>>>
>>>>Only if one chooses to do that. (recall free will)
>>>
>>>Apparently God did choose to do that.
>>
>>God lets genetics help rule births.
>
>Why would God do such a terrible thing?
The original design would have perfect genetic babies every time. And
after these important issues are settled, it will be back to that
original method once and for all.
>
>>>>>>Because she didn't know that he would become that.
>>>>>>Neither did God know that Satan would become Satan.
>>>>>
>>>>>God had to know how He made the angel that became Satan.
>>>>
>>>>God made him perfect. He could have remained perfect forever. But he
>>>>misused his free will. And he tempted Adam and Eve to their
>>>>destruction, as well as his own.
>>>
>>>Why did God create Satan, Adam, and Eve, that way?
>>
>>God didn't want robots. He wanted beings that worshipped Him because
>>they believed that God's way were right, and out of love for Him.
>
>Our thoughts and actions are determined by our brain which
>you say God designed.
NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY. I must repeat this so as to get
through to you.
NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
It has many of the original parts, but causes errors here and there.
The normal brain probably looks about the same as in the beginning.
But how it functions can be where many errors are.
>
>>>>>>>>>Superman has Lex Luther.
>>>>>>>>>God has Satan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>See above
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The firmament?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What about it?
>>>>>
>>>>>The firmament is above.
>>>>
>>>>The firmament is a KJV translation:
>>>>
>>>>Genesis 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which
>>>>were under the firmament from the waters which were above the
>>>>firmament: and it was so.
>>>>
>>>>Now notice this translation:
>>>>
>>>>-- Living Bible
>>>>Genesis 1:7 So God made the sky, dividing the vapor above from the
>>>>water below. This all happened on the second day.
>>>>
>>>>Thus the firmament is our atmosphere.
>>>
>>>The firmament is the solid dome that covered the flat earth.
>>>It had windows to allow the rain.
>>>That's biblical truth!
>>
>>Flat earth? Are you sure?
>
>Yes.
See Isa 40:22a right below.
See above "NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY."
>
>>>>>>But Adam did, and we are his genetic offspring.
>>>>>
>>>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>>>
>>>>Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!
>>>
>>>Why did God want Adam to be that way?
>>
>>You said it, God didn't.
>
>Why did God want Adam to be corrupt himself?
Nowhere does the Bible say that.
Here we go again: NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>
>>>>>>>>And many people
>>>>>>>>get their morals from Satan, instead of from God's word, the Bible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What determines how we use our free will?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You do.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hopefully God acts to ensure all our choices have a good outcome.
>>>>
>>>>After God destroys the wicked, who make things difficult for righteous
>>>>ones, all our actions will have a good outcome.
>>>
>>>Until we breed more.
>>
>>That makes no difference. The wicked ones will be gone.
>
>The wicked ones were gone after the Noah genocide.
Wouldn't you want someone to take care of 10,000 Hitlers running
around? The original occupants of the earth were just wicked all the
time.
>
>>>The only way God can fix all the problems is by amending and revising
>>>our design.
>>
>>God will remove all of Adam's genetic errors passed on to us.
>
>Why did God create Adam with genetic errors?
According to 2 Sam 22:31, that's impossible:
(2 Samuel 22:31) The way of the true God is perfect; The saying of
Jehovah is refined. He is a shield to all those taking refuge in him.
>
>>>>There is a Scripture which tells us that this is not the REAL life.
>>>>That is yet to come.
>>>
>>>That scripture is very wrong.
>>>This is the ONLY life we get.
>>
>>How do you know for sure? You never had a chance to live on a paradise
>>earth. All those who have died in the past, will be resurrected to a
>>"new earth" (one without wickedness).
>
>How do you know for sure?
Because I have researched the Bible enough to believe its ideas are
from God and true.
>
>Consciousness is a function of our brain.
>When brain activity ceases the person ceases to exist.
>The afterlife is a lie to control people.
I have heard that many times. It is from Biblically uninformed people.
The Bible does agree with you on the fact that when a person dies, he
ceases to exist for a while. (you get a point for that one)
And here it is again: NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY
You are living in a glass house pounded by large hail. You and I could
be killed in our own home tonight. This world is one big danger sign.
Global warming is screwing up the weather in many places on earth.
Flooding is greater, hurricanes are stronger, droughts appear to be
expanding and lasting longer. Earthquakes are becoming more numerous
etc, etc.
Mankind has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
>
>>>>>>>>Adam
>>>>>>>>caused us to be imperfect. God will correct his flaw that he
>>>>>>>>genetically passed on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm wondering why God decided to make Adam that way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ether that or make him a robot. God doesn't want robot worshippers.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hopefully God does not want any worshippers.
>>>>
>>>>The Bible says God wants to be worshipped. He gives us so much, that
>>>>is the least we can do for Him.
>>>
>>>How can you worship the giver of great suffering?
>>
>>Many people do worship the Devil. It makes no sense, but they do.
>>Some are not aware they worship the Devil, but are by obeying his
>>wickedness.
>
>Really they are obeying God's wickedness.
That is an oxymoron. There is no such thing.
Devil.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eat the apple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>king.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>other species.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Other animals can only go with their God given instincts.
>>>>>>>We should copy the other animals that are not corrupted
>>>>>>>by our human ideas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Like what examples?
>>>>>
>>>>>We should fight for mating rights.
>>>>
>>>>??
>>>
>>>??
>>
>>What do you mean "We should fight for mating rights."?
>
>We should not fight our God given instincts.
Like what?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>>>>>>>>>>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It can't be God:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>God can't be God?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>"It can't be God:"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's right. It can't be God who gives us bad instincts.
>>>>>
>>>>>As you said, only God could design something as complex
>>>>>as our brain.
>>>
>>>Therefore it must be God.
>>
>>I guess you could call it 'conditional programming'. What was
>>programmed into Adam, would only become active if he disobeyed the one
>>simple command of God. That command showed that God was in charge, and
>>to look to Him for guidance in all things.
>
>So God does cause us great suffering so He can show His power.
Has God showed you His power? We certainly do enough suffering to
fulfill your accusation.
You forgot the rest of the chapter:
"20 At that Job got up and ripped apart his garment and cut the hair
off his head; then he fell to the ground and bowed down 21 and said:
“Naked I came out of my mother’s womb,
And naked I will return.
Jehovah has given, and Jehovah has taken away.
Let the name of Jehovah continue to be praised.”
22 In all of this, Job did not sin or accuse God of doing anything
wrong."
Yes, God permitted Satan to test Job. But he retained his integrity.
Later God rewarded Job: Job 42:10-17,
"10 After Job had prayed for his companions, Jehovah removed Job’s
tribulation and restored his prosperity. Jehovah gave him double what
he had before. 11 All his brothers and sisters and all his former
friends came to him and ate a meal with him in his house. They
sympathized with him and comforted him over all the calamity that
Jehovah had allowed to come upon him. Each of them gave him a piece of
money and a gold ring.
12 So Jehovah blessed the last part of Job’s life more than the
beginning, and Job came to have 14,000 sheep, 6,000 camels, 1,000
pairs of cattle, and 1,000 female donkeys. 13 He also came to have
seven more sons and three more daughters. 14 He named the first
daughter Je·mi´mah, the second Ke·zi´ah, and the third
Ker´en-hap´puch. 15 No women in all the land were as beautiful as
Job’s daughters, and their father gave them an inheritance along with
their brothers.
16 After this Job lived for 140 years, and he saw his children and his
grandchildren—four generations. 17 Finally Job died, after a long and
satisfying life."
I don't accept it because it contradicts the Bible. There can only be
one truth.
Tell me, if your theory of evolution is how things happened, how did
it come up with male and female throughout most life forms? What came
first, the female or the male for most every species?
"And where it stops, no body knows."
NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>
>>Also, that's not a correct comparison. The laws of physics are
>>perfect. They are what keeps a car running, your house from caving
>>in, your refrigerator keeping your food from spoiling, your ability to
>>can foods, letting a spaceship travel to the moon, etc, etc.
>>
>>People's brains on drugs and excessive alcohol is what can cause car
>>crashes. It has nothing to do with the original design. A teen going
>>100 mph in a residential zone can also cause all kinds of detriments.
>
>You said God designed our brain.
...NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
Sincerely James
A world out of control
better than that, if as you say the Bible is full of lies. Try again.
Give me something that is no question about it, but it is a lie. For
example something like: "The moon is made of green cheese".
>
>>>>>>>>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That is why it is moot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I missed your answer.
>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He can do both if He wants to. Like it is said, "God can do anything".
>>>>>>(within His righteous standards) But His original designs were
>>>>>>perfect, so He wouldn't be revising there. (free will and all)
>>>
>>>Why did you freely choose to have panic attacks?
>>
>>The same reason you choose to be depressed.
>
>What do we base our choices on?
>
>>>>>Before you said God can't amend his perfect design but he can
>>>>>revise his design. See earlier in this post for the reference.
>>>>
>>>>God COULD amend and revise any of his designs, even though they are
>>>>perfect. If He wanted to give humans 3 arms and 3 legs, they would
>>>>still be perfect, just with more appendages. I don't see why you can't
>>>>understand it.
>>>
>>>You try to confuse me by saying one thing then later denying it.
>>>The proof is in this post.
>>
>>To be fair, just QUOTE the point in question, and then QUOTE my other
>>comment. Then we can see what is going on.
>
><quote>
>>>His design is perfect, it can't be improved. But it can be revised
>>>many times.
></quote>
since Adam CHANGED THINGS, God can correct those errors. (revise it
back to the way it's supposed to be.)
>
>>>>Why did Adam do such
>>>>a terrible thing? He was worst than Hitler, 1,000,000 times over.
>>>>Every person who has ever died, or will die, do so because of Adam.
>>>
>>>We know why Adam did those things.
>>
>>Adam deliberately disobeyed God. Eve was tricked by Satan.
>>
>>>The question is, why did God create Adam that way?
>>
>>We don't know a lot of reasons why God created like He did. Why two
>>eyes, and not three? Why no wings for mankind? Why not a 3rd set of
>>teeth for old-timers, etc?
>
>Why flightless birds?
>Why a world where life feeds off life and only
>the strongest survive?
>Why a brain which causes panic attacks,
>depression, homosexuality, murderous rampages, and control
>freaks?
personality within the brain that causes such. But those are just some
negative things. There are also positive things like helping the poor,
loving one's family and others, feeding others in 3rd world countries,
giving one's life to save another, etc, etc.
>
>>>>>>And the farther our body gets away
>>>>>>from Adam and Eve, the more corrupt it gets.
>>>>>
>>>>>And you say that is not an error?
>>>>
>>>>Yes it's an error that Adam brought to us.
>>>
>>>You said God doesn't make errors yet now you say God made an
>>>error with Adam.
>>
>>It's no error. How Adam was constructed was God's righteous way.
>
>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
his demon subordinate friends)
>
>>>>But God will soon eliminate all the errors caused by Adam.
>>>
>>>Does God put us through all the suffering so He could show us
>>>His power?
>>
>>A lot of the suffering is by man himself. A teen takes LSD and jumps
>>out of a tall building. A drunk with his whole family crashes his car.
>>A country declares war on another country. A cruel dictator rules a
>>nation, etc, etc.
>
>Does God cause those things so He can show us His power?
Has He shown His power to you? No? Then you might need to rephrase
>>>>But God will soon eliminate all the errors caused by Adam.
>>>
>>>Does God put us through all the suffering so He could show us
>>>His power?
>>
>>A lot of the suffering is by man himself. A teen takes LSD and jumps
>>out of a tall building. A drunk with his whole family crashes his car.
>>A country declares war on another country. A cruel dictator rules a
>>nation, etc, etc.
>
>Does God cause those things so He can show us His power?
your question.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm asking,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>What was God's good purpose in using Adam to downgrade us?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>God tested Adam's loyalty.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Does God not know how He made Adam?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Yes, but by giving him free will, He didn't always know what Adam
>>>>>>>>>>would do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So, God knows how He made Adam but He does not know how
>>>>>>>>>He made Adam.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That doesn't make any sense. What does is, "God knows how He made
>>>>>>>>Adam, but He does not always choose to know Adam's future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That doesn't make any sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Let me reword it simply. God doesn't always know the future. That is
>>>>>>His choice.
>>>>>
>>>>>Can we escape responsibility for a criminal act by saying we
>>>>>didn't look ahead?
>>>>
>>>>Of course not. Each person is responsible for their own actions. And
>>>>only God can look ahead.
>>>
>>>You said God did not know what would happen when He trashed
>>>everything, but an ordinary human would have known.
>>
>>Explain.
>
>An ordinary person would have known the effect of God
>downgrading everything. See Genesis for the details.
things in Genesis. The imperfections we have today can be blamed on
God, but that doesn't make it true.
correct our errors in spite of ourselves.
of suns out there, many bigger than ours. Just how much energy would
that take?
You probably could not even get a one on one discussion with President
Biden. Yet you can talk to the awesome One.
>
>>>>>>The Devil deserves nothing but annihilation.
>>>>>
>>>>>Apparently God does not think so else He would have made it so.
>>>>
>>>>God has promised it, and all of God's promises always comes true!
>>>
>>>Except the ones that don't!
>>
>>Even those do.
>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The one we now call "Jesus" was the first creation, The spirit
>>>>>>>>>>creature now known as "Satan", might have been the second. He
>>>>>>>>>>apparently was quite beautiful in appearance and powerful at his
>>>>>>>>>>start.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Every superhero requires a nemesis.
>>>>>>>>>Batman has the Joker.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>After Jehovah destroys Satan and his demons, he will have no nemesis'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did God create a nemesis?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why did Mrs Bundy give birth to the serial rapist and murderer Ted
>>>>>>Bundy?
>>>>>
>>>>>God made our bodies so that such things are possible.
>>>>
>>>>Only if one chooses to do that. (recall free will)
>>>
>>>Apparently God did choose to do that.
>>
>>God lets genetics help rule births.
>
>Why would God do such a terrible thing?
after these important issues are settled, it will be back to that
original method once and for all.
>
>>>>>>Because she didn't know that he would become that.
>>>>>>Neither did God know that Satan would become Satan.
>>>>>
>>>>>God had to know how He made the angel that became Satan.
>>>>
>>>>God made him perfect. He could have remained perfect forever. But he
>>>>misused his free will. And he tempted Adam and Eve to their
>>>>destruction, as well as his own.
>>>
>>>Why did God create Satan, Adam, and Eve, that way?
>>
>>God didn't want robots. He wanted beings that worshipped Him because
>>they believed that God's way were right, and out of love for Him.
>
>Our thoughts and actions are determined by our brain which
>you say God designed.
through to you.
NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
It has many of the original parts, but causes errors here and there.
The normal brain probably looks about the same as in the beginning.
But how it functions can be where many errors are.
>
>>>>>>>>>Superman has Lex Luther.
>>>>>>>>>God has Satan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>See above
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The firmament?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What about it?
>>>>>
>>>>>The firmament is above.
>>>>
>>>>The firmament is a KJV translation:
>>>>
>>>>Genesis 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which
>>>>were under the firmament from the waters which were above the
>>>>firmament: and it was so.
>>>>
>>>>Now notice this translation:
>>>>
>>>>-- Living Bible
>>>>Genesis 1:7 So God made the sky, dividing the vapor above from the
>>>>water below. This all happened on the second day.
>>>>
>>>>Thus the firmament is our atmosphere.
>>>
>>>The firmament is the solid dome that covered the flat earth.
>>>It had windows to allow the rain.
>>>That's biblical truth!
>>
>>Flat earth? Are you sure?
>
>Yes.
>
>>>>>>But Adam did, and we are his genetic offspring.
>>>>>
>>>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>>>
>>>>Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!
>>>
>>>Why did God want Adam to be that way?
>>
>>You said it, God didn't.
>
>Why did God want Adam to be corrupt himself?
>
>>>>>>>>And many people
>>>>>>>>get their morals from Satan, instead of from God's word, the Bible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What determines how we use our free will?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You do.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hopefully God acts to ensure all our choices have a good outcome.
>>>>
>>>>After God destroys the wicked, who make things difficult for righteous
>>>>ones, all our actions will have a good outcome.
>>>
>>>Until we breed more.
>>
>>That makes no difference. The wicked ones will be gone.
>
>The wicked ones were gone after the Noah genocide.
around? The original occupants of the earth were just wicked all the
time.
>
>>>The only way God can fix all the problems is by amending and revising
>>>our design.
>>
>>God will remove all of Adam's genetic errors passed on to us.
>
>Why did God create Adam with genetic errors?
(2 Samuel 22:31) The way of the true God is perfect; The saying of
Jehovah is refined. He is a shield to all those taking refuge in him.
>
>>>>There is a Scripture which tells us that this is not the REAL life.
>>>>That is yet to come.
>>>
>>>That scripture is very wrong.
>>>This is the ONLY life we get.
>>
>>How do you know for sure? You never had a chance to live on a paradise
>>earth. All those who have died in the past, will be resurrected to a
>>"new earth" (one without wickedness).
>
>How do you know for sure?
from God and true.
>
>Consciousness is a function of our brain.
>When brain activity ceases the person ceases to exist.
>The afterlife is a lie to control people.
The Bible does agree with you on the fact that when a person dies, he
ceases to exist for a while. (you get a point for that one)
be killed in our own home tonight. This world is one big danger sign.
Global warming is screwing up the weather in many places on earth.
Flooding is greater, hurricanes are stronger, droughts appear to be
expanding and lasting longer. Earthquakes are becoming more numerous
etc, etc.
Mankind has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
>
>>>>>>>>Adam
>>>>>>>>caused us to be imperfect. God will correct his flaw that he
>>>>>>>>genetically passed on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm wondering why God decided to make Adam that way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ether that or make him a robot. God doesn't want robot worshippers.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hopefully God does not want any worshippers.
>>>>
>>>>The Bible says God wants to be worshipped. He gives us so much, that
>>>>is the least we can do for Him.
>>>
>>>How can you worship the giver of great suffering?
>>
>>Many people do worship the Devil. It makes no sense, but they do.
>>Some are not aware they worship the Devil, but are by obeying his
>>wickedness.
>
>Really they are obeying God's wickedness.
>
>Back to the question.
>How can you worship the giver of great suffering?
Many people just want to worship the "giver of great suffering"; the
>Back to the question.
>How can you worship the giver of great suffering?
Devil.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eat the apple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>king.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>other species.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Other animals can only go with their God given instincts.
>>>>>>>We should copy the other animals that are not corrupted
>>>>>>>by our human ideas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Like what examples?
>>>>>
>>>>>We should fight for mating rights.
>>>>
>>>>??
>>>
>>>??
>>
>>What do you mean "We should fight for mating rights."?
>
>We should not fight our God given instincts.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>>>>>>>>>>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It can't be God:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>God can't be God?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>"It can't be God:"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's right. It can't be God who gives us bad instincts.
>>>>>
>>>>>As you said, only God could design something as complex
>>>>>as our brain.
>>>
>>>Therefore it must be God.
>>
>>I guess you could call it 'conditional programming'. What was
>>programmed into Adam, would only become active if he disobeyed the one
>>simple command of God. That command showed that God was in charge, and
>>to look to Him for guidance in all things.
>
>So God does cause us great suffering so He can show His power.
fulfill your accusation.
"20 At that Job got up and ripped apart his garment and cut the hair
off his head; then he fell to the ground and bowed down 21 and said:
“Naked I came out of my mother’s womb,
And naked I will return.
Jehovah has given, and Jehovah has taken away.
Let the name of Jehovah continue to be praised.”
22 In all of this, Job did not sin or accuse God of doing anything
wrong."
Yes, God permitted Satan to test Job. But he retained his integrity.
Later God rewarded Job: Job 42:10-17,
"10 After Job had prayed for his companions, Jehovah removed Job’s
tribulation and restored his prosperity. Jehovah gave him double what
he had before. 11 All his brothers and sisters and all his former
friends came to him and ate a meal with him in his house. They
sympathized with him and comforted him over all the calamity that
Jehovah had allowed to come upon him. Each of them gave him a piece of
money and a gold ring.
12 So Jehovah blessed the last part of Job’s life more than the
beginning, and Job came to have 14,000 sheep, 6,000 camels, 1,000
pairs of cattle, and 1,000 female donkeys. 13 He also came to have
seven more sons and three more daughters. 14 He named the first
daughter Je·mi´mah, the second Ke·zi´ah, and the third
Ker´en-hap´puch. 15 No women in all the land were as beautiful as
Job’s daughters, and their father gave them an inheritance along with
their brothers.
16 After this Job lived for 140 years, and he saw his children and his
grandchildren—four generations. 17 Finally Job died, after a long and
satisfying life."
one truth.
Tell me, if your theory of evolution is how things happened, how did
it come up with male and female throughout most life forms? What came
first, the female or the male for most every species?
NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>
>>Also, that's not a correct comparison. The laws of physics are
>>perfect. They are what keeps a car running, your house from caving
>>in, your refrigerator keeping your food from spoiling, your ability to
>>can foods, letting a spaceship travel to the moon, etc, etc.
>>
>>People's brains on drugs and excessive alcohol is what can cause car
>>crashes. It has nothing to do with the original design. A teen going
>>100 mph in a residential zone can also cause all kinds of detriments.
>
>You said God designed our brain.
Sincerely James
A world out of control
See what the Bible says
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Lucifer
Jul 10, 2022, 1:01:15 AM7/10/22
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>>>>>>>>>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That is why it is moot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I missed your answer.
>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He can do both if He wants to. Like it is said, "God can do anything".
>>>>>>>(within His righteous standards) But His original designs were
>>>>>>>perfect, so He wouldn't be revising there. (free will and all)
>>>>
>>>>Why did you freely choose to have panic attacks?
>>>
>>>The same reason you choose to be depressed.
>>
>>What do we base our choices on?
>
>lies.
good choices?
>>>>>>Before you said God can't amend his perfect design but he can
>>>>>>revise his design. See earlier in this post for the reference.
>>>>>
>>>>>God COULD amend and revise any of his designs, even though they are
>>>>>perfect. If He wanted to give humans 3 arms and 3 legs, they would
>>>>>still be perfect, just with more appendages. I don't see why you can't
>>>>>understand it.
>>>>
>>>>You try to confuse me by saying one thing then later denying it.
>>>>The proof is in this post.
>>>
>>>To be fair, just QUOTE the point in question, and then QUOTE my other
>>>comment. Then we can see what is going on.
>>
>><quote>
>>>>His design is perfect, it can't be improved. But it can be revised
>>>>many times.
>></quote>
>
>Like you say it can't be improved by the original creative act. But
>since Adam CHANGED THINGS, God can correct those errors. (revise it
>back to the way it's supposed to be.)
>You are blaming God for Adam's sin.
>>>>>Why did Adam do such
>>>>>a terrible thing? He was worst than Hitler, 1,000,000 times over.
>>>>>Every person who has ever died, or will die, do so because of Adam.
>>>>
>>>>We know why Adam did those things.
>>>
>>>Adam deliberately disobeyed God. Eve was tricked by Satan.
>>>
>>>>The question is, why did God create Adam that way?
>>>
>>>We don't know a lot of reasons why God created like He did. Why two
>>>eyes, and not three? Why no wings for mankind? Why not a 3rd set of
>>>teeth for old-timers, etc?
>>
>>Why flightless birds?
>
>Because they never got their pilot's licenses.
>
>>Why a world where life feeds off life and only
>>the strongest survive?
>
>Within the civilized world, even the weak can survive.
>
>>Why a brain which causes panic attacks,
>>depression, homosexuality, murderous rampages, and control
>>freaks?
>
>You are blaming the brain for such things? Actually it's the
>personality within the brain that causes such. But those are just some
>negative things. There are also positive things like helping the poor,
>loving one's family and others, feeding others in 3rd world countries,
>giving one's life to save another, etc, etc.
>>>>>>>And the farther our body gets away
>>>>>>>from Adam and Eve, the more corrupt it gets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And you say that is not an error?
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes it's an error that Adam brought to us.
>>>>
>>>>You said God doesn't make errors yet now you say God made an
>>>>error with Adam.
>>>
>>>It's no error. How Adam was constructed was God's righteous way.
>>
>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>
>No errors with Adam in the beginning. Same with the angel Satan. (and
>his demon subordinate friends)
was not an error?
>>>>>But God will soon eliminate all the errors caused by Adam.
>>>>
>>>>Does God put us through all the suffering so He could show us
>>>>His power?
>>>
>>>A lot of the suffering is by man himself. A teen takes LSD and jumps
>>>out of a tall building. A drunk with his whole family crashes his car.
>>>A country declares war on another country. A cruel dictator rules a
>>>nation, etc, etc.
>>
>>Does God cause those things so He can show us His power?
>
>Has He shown His power to you? No? Then you might need to rephrase
>your question.
That must be a bible lie.
>But God will correct our errors in spite of ourselves.
>>>>>>>The Devil deserves nothing but annihilation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Apparently God does not think so else He would have made it so.
>>>>>
>>>>>God has promised it, and all of God's promises always comes true!
>>>>
>>>>Except the ones that don't!
>>>
>>>Even those do.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>The one we now call "Jesus" was the first creation, The spirit
>>>>>>>>>>>creature now known as "Satan", might have been the second. He
>>>>>>>>>>>apparently was quite beautiful in appearance and powerful at his
>>>>>>>>>>>start.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Every superhero requires a nemesis.
>>>>>>>>>>Batman has the Joker.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>After Jehovah destroys Satan and his demons, he will have no nemesis'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why did God create a nemesis?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did Mrs Bundy give birth to the serial rapist and murderer Ted
>>>>>>>Bundy?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God made our bodies so that such things are possible.
>>>>>
>>>>>Only if one chooses to do that. (recall free will)
>>>>
>>>>Apparently God did choose to do that.
>>>
>>>God lets genetics help rule births.
>>
>>Why would God do such a terrible thing?
>
>The original design would have perfect genetic babies every time. And
>after these important issues are settled, it will be back to that
>original method once and for all.
>>>>>>>Because she didn't know that he would become that.
>>>>>>>Neither did God know that Satan would become Satan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God had to know how He made the angel that became Satan.
>>>>>
>>>>>God made him perfect. He could have remained perfect forever. But he
>>>>>misused his free will. And he tempted Adam and Eve to their
>>>>>destruction, as well as his own.
>>>>
>>>>Why did God create Satan, Adam, and Eve, that way?
>>>
>>>God didn't want robots. He wanted beings that worshipped Him because
>>>they believed that God's way were right, and out of love for Him.
>>
>>Our thoughts and actions are determined by our brain which
>>you say God designed.
>
>NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY. I must repeat this so as to get
>through to you.
>NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>
>It has many of the original parts, but causes errors here and there.
>The normal brain probably looks about the same as in the beginning.
>But how it functions can be where many errors are.
You said God designed our brain.
You said God designed our brain.
>>>>>>>But Adam did, and we are his genetic offspring.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>>>>
>>>>>Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!
>>>>
>>>>Why did God want Adam to be that way?
>>>
>>>You said it, God didn't.
>>
>>Why did God want Adam to be able to corrupt himself?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>>>>
>>>>>Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!
>>>>
>>>>Why did God want Adam to be that way?
>>>
>>>You said it, God didn't.
>>
>
>Nowhere does the Bible say that.
You said it!
>Nowhere does the Bible say that.
You wrote,
"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>>>>>>>>And many people
>>>>>>>>>get their morals from Satan, instead of from God's word, the Bible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What determines how we use our free will?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hopefully God acts to ensure all our choices have a good outcome.
>>>>>
>>>>>After God destroys the wicked, who make things difficult for righteous
>>>>>ones, all our actions will have a good outcome.
>>>>
>>>>Until we breed more.
>>>
>>>That makes no difference. The wicked ones will be gone.
>>
>>The wicked ones were gone after the Noah genocide.
>
>Wouldn't you want someone to take care of 10,000 Hitlers running
>around? The original occupants of the earth were just wicked all the
>time.
>>>>The only way God can fix all the problems is by amending and revising
>>>>our design.
>>>
>>>God will remove all of Adam's genetic errors passed on to us.
>>
>>Why did God create Adam with genetic errors?
>
>According to 2 Sam 22:31, that's impossible:
>(2 Samuel 22:31) The way of the true God is perfect; The saying of
>Jehovah is refined. He is a shield to all those taking refuge in him.
>
>
>>
>>>>>There is a Scripture which tells us that this is not the REAL life.
>>>>>That is yet to come.
>>>>
>>>>That scripture is very wrong.
>>>>This is the ONLY life we get.
>>>
>>>How do you know for sure? You never had a chance to live on a paradise
>>>earth. All those who have died in the past, will be resurrected to a
>>>"new earth" (one without wickedness).
>>
>>How do you know for sure?
>
>Because I have researched the Bible enough to believe its ideas are
>from God and true.
>>Consciousness is a function of our brain.
>>When brain activity ceases the person ceases to exist.
>>The afterlife is a lie to control people.
>
>I have heard that many times. It is from Biblically uninformed people.
>The Bible does agree with you on the fact that when a person dies, he
>ceases to exist for a while. (you get a point for that one)
You said God designed our brain.
>Mankind has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
We are doing much better going our own way.
We are living longer and generally better lives.
We even have medication to help people control
their panic attacks.
We are living longer and generally better lives.
We even have medication to help people control
their panic attacks.
>>>>>>>>>Adam
>>>>>>>>>caused us to be imperfect. God will correct his flaw that he
>>>>>>>>>genetically passed on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm wondering why God decided to make Adam that way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ether that or make him a robot. God doesn't want robot worshippers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hopefully God does not want any worshippers.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Bible says God wants to be worshipped. He gives us so much, that
>>>>>is the least we can do for Him.
>>>>
>>>>How can you worship the giver of great suffering?
>>>
>>>Many people do worship the Devil. It makes no sense, but they do.
>>>Some are not aware they worship the Devil, but are by obeying his
>>>wickedness.
>>
>>Really they are obeying God's wickedness.
>
>That is an oxymoron. There is no such thing.
No such thing as God or no such thing as wickedness?
>>>>>>>>>caused us to be imperfect. God will correct his flaw that he
>>>>>>>>>genetically passed on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm wondering why God decided to make Adam that way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ether that or make him a robot. God doesn't want robot worshippers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hopefully God does not want any worshippers.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Bible says God wants to be worshipped. He gives us so much, that
>>>>>is the least we can do for Him.
>>>>
>>>>How can you worship the giver of great suffering?
>>>
>>>Many people do worship the Devil. It makes no sense, but they do.
>>>Some are not aware they worship the Devil, but are by obeying his
>>>wickedness.
>>
>>Really they are obeying God's wickedness.
>
>That is an oxymoron. There is no such thing.
>>Back to the question.
>>How can you worship the giver of great suffering?
>
>Many people just want to worship the "giver of great suffering"; the
>Devil.
Back to the question.
What is the exact detailed method God used to design and create
this world of suffering?
God responsible.
>>>Also, that's not a correct comparison. The laws of physics are
>>>perfect. They are what keeps a car running, your house from caving
>>>in, your refrigerator keeping your food from spoiling, your ability to
>>>can foods, letting a spaceship travel to the moon, etc, etc.
>>>
>>>People's brains on drugs and excessive alcohol is what can cause car
>>>crashes. It has nothing to do with the original design. A teen going
>>>100 mph in a residential zone can also cause all kinds of detriments.
>>
>>You said God designed our brain.
>
>...NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>Sincerely James
zeb...@windstream.net
Jul 10, 2022, 4:47:15 PM7/10/22
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On 09 Jul 2022 14:30:38 GMT, servant wrote:
>
>>>Friend james goes off in all directions when he is unable to plugin a
>>>rotely learned jw vatican answer to many questions/observations. Thus it
>>>is for the question of the subject alone we are interested, not another
>>>question possibly related to those plug in responses.
>>
>>>Let's give him another chance. Observing God's creation, a 2nd revelation
>>>along with scripture, provides info about the history of living things
>>>going back millions of years.
>>
>Friend james has ahunch:
>
>>Thousands of years.
>
>> > >Long ago observation finds living things in abundance of many
>>kinds. When >we compare them with existing living things an
>>interesting observation >occurs. > >*None* of those ancient life forms
>>now exist. *None* of those of today >are found in that ancient time.
>
>Friend james digs deep:>
>
>>You are mislead. The cockroach has been around since early times.
>>Scientists give it 280 million years ago.
>
>Shrug, no time depth w>The hippo 16 million years ago.
>>Also the alligator. 245 millions of years ago. There are many more,
>>esp the microscopic ones.
>Shrug, no exact time depth was given as provided in the observation and
>question on the table.
Maybe you should leave the dinner table then, and go out into the
>
>>>Friend james goes off in all directions when he is unable to plugin a
>>>rotely learned jw vatican answer to many questions/observations. Thus it
>>>is for the question of the subject alone we are interested, not another
>>>question possibly related to those plug in responses.
>>
>>>Let's give him another chance. Observing God's creation, a 2nd revelation
>>>along with scripture, provides info about the history of living things
>>>going back millions of years.
>>
>Friend james has ahunch:
>
>>Thousands of years.
>
>> > >Long ago observation finds living things in abundance of many
>>kinds. When >we compare them with existing living things an
>>interesting observation >occurs. > >*None* of those ancient life forms
>>now exist. *None* of those of today >are found in that ancient time.
>
>Friend james digs deep:>
>
>>You are mislead. The cockroach has been around since early times.
>>Scientists give it 280 million years ago.
>
>Shrug, no time depth w>The hippo 16 million years ago.
>>Also the alligator. 245 millions of years ago. There are many more,
>>esp the microscopic ones.
>Shrug, no exact time depth was given as provided in the observation and
>question on the table.
field.
>
>Living things with more then one cell are observed at least 3 and perhaps
>3.5 billion years ago, one cell bacteria like life forms at least 4
>billion.
>
>The record in God's creation finds the first multi-cell living things on
>land appearing out of the sea some 300 million years ago. One cell
>bacteria on land appeaar some 2.8 billion years ago.
>
>> > >There is based on those observations alone a *huge* gap in the
>>nature and >kinds and change of living things in the history of God's
>>creation.
>
>Using wordplay friend james formsa question:
>
>>How can you call it "God's creation" on one hand, and brainless
>>evolution on another?
>
>God's creation is the raw info on the history of life changing over time
>in its nature andkind. Thus the obvious question:
didn't 'evolve', he was created quickly in one piece. Same with Eve.
>
>> > >What model would best explain the *vast* biological change in
>>living things >over time between the two observation points? That is
>>for friend james to >provide an answer alone about God's history of
>>the creation.
>>
>Sadly friend james is driven to fall back on an irrelevant and misleading
>approach,ie. answer another question instead as a diversion.
>
>>There has never been one life form turning into a different life form.
>>God created each one individually. However, there has been
>>Microevolution. For example, a dog in the winter getting a thicker
>>coat. But it is still always a dog.
>
>Dogs; domesticated from modern wolves appear some 31 thousand years ago.
>Wolves are no older then 2 million years ago. Given your example, how do
>we account for the gap between the first multi-cel life on land and that 2
>million year point when anything like dogs appeared?
millions.
>
>> > >Btw, "I don't know and the jw vatican lacks an answer also" is
>>avalid >answer. >
>Friend james confirms he doesn't know, and doesn't even know if the jw
>vatican even has apossible answer:
>
>>Without looking it up, I have no idea what the organization says about
>>all of this.
Doesn't know what?? I suggest you read the book "‘Did Man Get Here by
>>avalid >answer. >
>Friend james confirms he doesn't know, and doesn't even know if the jw
>vatican even has apossible answer:
>
>>Without looking it up, I have no idea what the organization says about
>>all of this.
Evolution or Creation?’" published in 1967 by the Watch Tower Bible &
Tract Society. Even though the book is somewhat dated, it still
contains a ton of evidence for creation.
servant
Jul 11, 2022, 6:37:26 PM7/11/22
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>>>>Friend james goes off in all directions when he is unable to plugin a
>>>>rotely learned jw vatican answer to many questions/observations. Thus it
>>>>is for the question of the subject alone we are interested, not another
>>>>question possibly related to those plug in responses.
>>>
>>>>Let's give him another chance. Observing God's creation, a 2nd revelation
>>>>along with scripture, provides info about the history of living things
>>>>going back millions of years.
>>>
>>Friend james has ahunch:
>>
diffference in time depths for the question. Because there are two
revelations from God, His creation and scripture; we can attempt a test
base on what is observed in God's creation for friend james claim.
He says it is only "thousands of years" of time depth, not the
millions/billions mentioned to observe changes in kinds and forms of
living things.
The basic time depth for the universe can be observed by the disstance of
objects from the earth. The light content of a star for example tells us
the distance from it. That distance is measured in years.
The nearest star outside the solar system takes over 4 years to reach
earth. From the sun, a star also; is over 8 minutes. Looking at the most
distant stars it takes billions of years for their light to reach earth.
13.8 is the most recent approximate date for the universe. With the new
webb telescope far more distant objects can be observed and the time of the
universe is even older.
In scripture light is said to appear on the first "day", interestingly the
light of the sun/moon/stars appear on the forth. So scripture tells us a
"day" is a huge amount of time based on God's revelation of ccreation. and
how long star lighht would take to reach earth
.
In hebrew the word used for "day" can mean 24 hours or some large
undetermined amount of time. Thus creation tells us from the first to
the fourth "day" was in the billions of years from the testiment of the
creation/universe and the creation of light.>
The pointt, there is no 24 hour restriction of the periods of ttime for
creation as revealed by God, including how long living things have
existed..
Other scientific measures of creation tell us when those living things
first appeared. Also observation of the creation tells us of what kind and
form they were in the beginning and how they dramatically changed in form
and kind over million/billion of yearss to the present..
Thus the unanswered question asked of friend james remains very much on the
table as follows:
>>> > >Long ago observation finds living things in abundance of many
>>>kinds. When >we compare them with existing living things an
>>>interesting observation >occurs. > >*None* of those ancient life forms
>>>now exist. *None* of those of today >are found in that ancient time.
So, how do we account for the huge gap in the kinds and forms we observe in
>>>kinds. When >we compare them with existing living things an
>>>interesting observation >occurs. > >*None* of those ancient life forms
>>>now exist. *None* of those of today >are found in that ancient time.
God's creation revelation? How did living things of kinds and forms change
from those no longer existing to those now existing?
zeb...@windstream.net
Jul 12, 2022, 12:00:55 AM7/12/22
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On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 15:01:07 +1000, Lucifer
Obvious to you, but not so to millions of us.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That is why it is moot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I missed your answer.
>>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>He can do both if He wants to. Like it is said, "God can do anything".
>>>>>>>>(within His righteous standards) But His original designs were
>>>>>>>>perfect, so He wouldn't be revising there. (free will and all)
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did you freely choose to have panic attacks?
>>>>
>>>>The same reason you choose to be depressed.
>>>
>>>What do we base our choices on?
>>
>>lies.
>
>Does God give us all the information we need to always make
>good choices?
Yes. He has given us the Bible.
>
>>>>>>>Before you said God can't amend his perfect design but he can
>>>>>>>revise his design. See earlier in this post for the reference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God COULD amend and revise any of his designs, even though they are
>>>>>>perfect. If He wanted to give humans 3 arms and 3 legs, they would
>>>>>>still be perfect, just with more appendages. I don't see why you can't
>>>>>>understand it.
>>>>>
>>>>>You try to confuse me by saying one thing then later denying it.
>>>>>The proof is in this post.
>>>>
>>>>To be fair, just QUOTE the point in question, and then QUOTE my other
>>>>comment. Then we can see what is going on.
>>>
>>><quote>
>>>>>His design is perfect, it can't be improved. But it can be revised
>>>>>many times.
>>></quote>
>>
>>Like you say it can't be improved by the original creative act. But
>>since Adam CHANGED THINGS, God can correct those errors. (revise it
>>back to the way it's supposed to be.)
>
>Why did God create Adam with errors?
Answered that already mucho times.
will what?
>
>>You are blaming God for Adam's sin.
>
>Of course! God designed Adam to sin.
Then Adam was a robot. Really? What happened to free will?
>
>>>>>>Why did Adam do such
>>>>>>a terrible thing? He was worst than Hitler, 1,000,000 times over.
>>>>>>Every person who has ever died, or will die, do so because of Adam.
>>>>>
>>>>>We know why Adam did those things.
>>>>
>>>>Adam deliberately disobeyed God. Eve was tricked by Satan.
>>>>
>>>>>The question is, why did God create Adam that way?
>>>>
>>>>We don't know a lot of reasons why God created like He did. Why two
>>>>eyes, and not three? Why no wings for mankind? Why not a 3rd set of
>>>>teeth for old-timers, etc?
>>>
>>>Why flightless birds?
>>
>>Because they never got their pilot's licenses.
>>
>>>Why a world where life feeds off life and only
>>>the strongest survive?
>>
>>Within the civilized world, even the weak can survive.
>>
>>>Why a brain which causes panic attacks,
>>>depression, homosexuality, murderous rampages, and control
>>>freaks?
>>
>>You are blaming the brain for such things? Actually it's the
>>personality within the brain that causes such. But those are just some
>>negative things. There are also positive things like helping the poor,
>>loving one's family and others, feeding others in 3rd world countries,
>>giving one's life to save another, etc, etc.
>
>The sort of thing you would expect from a natural process.
Yes, it is natural for beings make in God's image to do things like
that.
>
>>>>>>>>And the farther our body gets away
>>>>>>>>from Adam and Eve, the more corrupt it gets.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And you say that is not an error?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes it's an error that Adam brought to us.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said God doesn't make errors yet now you say God made an
>>>>>error with Adam.
>>>>
>>>>It's no error. How Adam was constructed was God's righteous way.
>>>
>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>
>>No errors with Adam in the beginning. Same with the angel Satan. (and
>>his demon subordinate friends)
>
>God creating Adam with errors and an angel that became Satan
>was not an error?
Absolutely not. The responsibility lies with the free will beings, not
their Creator.
>
>>>>>>But God will soon eliminate all the errors caused by Adam.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does God put us through all the suffering so He could show us
>>>>>His power?
>>>>
>>>>A lot of the suffering is by man himself. A teen takes LSD and jumps
>>>>out of a tall building. A drunk with his whole family crashes his car.
>>>>A country declares war on another country. A cruel dictator rules a
>>>>nation, etc, etc.
>>>
>>>Does God cause those things so He can show us His power?
>>
>>Has He shown His power to you? No? Then you might need to rephrase
>>your question.
>
>Does God do terrible things so He can save us from Himself?
Have you been saved from God? No? Then you need to rephrase your
question.
>
Scripture please.
>That must be a bible lie.
??
It does what it is supposed to do. Limit panic attacks.
>
>>But God will correct our errors in spite of ourselves.
>
>You say God will go against His own original design?
Not against, but will resort BACK to it soon.
Like what?
>
>>>>>>>>The Devil deserves nothing but annihilation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Apparently God does not think so else He would have made it so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God has promised it, and all of God's promises always comes true!
>>>>>
>>>>>Except the ones that don't!
>>>>
>>>>Even those do.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The one we now call "Jesus" was the first creation, The spirit
>>>>>>>>>>>>creature now known as "Satan", might have been the second. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>apparently was quite beautiful in appearance and powerful at his
>>>>>>>>>>>>start.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Every superhero requires a nemesis.
>>>>>>>>>>>Batman has the Joker.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>After Jehovah destroys Satan and his demons, he will have no nemesis'.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Why did God create a nemesis?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why did Mrs Bundy give birth to the serial rapist and murderer Ted
>>>>>>>>Bundy?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God made our bodies so that such things are possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Only if one chooses to do that. (recall free will)
>>>>>
>>>>>Apparently God did choose to do that.
>>>>
>>>>God lets genetics help rule births.
>>>
>>>Why would God do such a terrible thing?
>>
>>The original design would have perfect genetic babies every time. And
>>after these important issues are settled, it will be back to that
>>original method once and for all.
>
>Stillborn babies are perfect?
There won't be any stillborn babies ever again. Nor any natural
abortions, nor any deformed babies, etc.
>
>>>>>>>>Because she didn't know that he would become that.
>>>>>>>>Neither did God know that Satan would become Satan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God had to know how He made the angel that became Satan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God made him perfect. He could have remained perfect forever. But he
>>>>>>misused his free will. And he tempted Adam and Eve to their
>>>>>>destruction, as well as his own.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did God create Satan, Adam, and Eve, that way?
>>>>
>>>>God didn't want robots. He wanted beings that worshipped Him because
>>>>they believed that God's way were right, and out of love for Him.
>>>
>>>Our thoughts and actions are determined by our brain which
>>>you say God designed.
>>
>>NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY. I must repeat this so as to get
>>through to you.
>>NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>>NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>>NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>>NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>>NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>>NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>>
>>It has many of the original parts, but causes errors here and there.
>>The normal brain probably looks about the same as in the beginning.
>>But how it functions can be where many errors are.
>
>You said God designed our brain.
NOT THE EXACT BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
NOT THE EXACT BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
NOT THE EXACT BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
NOT THE EXACT BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
NOT THE EXACT BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
NOT THE EXACT BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
See "NOT THE EXACT BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY"
>
>>>>>>>>But Adam did, and we are his genetic offspring.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did God want Adam to be that way?
>>>>
>>>>You said it, God didn't.
>>>
>>>Why did God want Adam to be able to corrupt himself?
>>
>>Nowhere does the Bible say that.
>
>You said it!
>You wrote,
>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
Nowhere does the Bible say GOD WANTED ADAM to be able to corrupt
himself. That is not what God wanted. God created the earth, and
animals, planted a garden, put humans in it, ALL FOR NOTHING?
No, God wanted perfect humans living on a paradise earth. That's why
He did so much work on our planet. God didn't get what He wanted in
the beginning, but He will soon. (see Rev 21:3,4)
Let me clarify that. By "original" I meant "first" ones after Adam and
Eve, who at first were perfect.
>
>>>>>The only way God can fix all the problems is by amending and revising
>>>>>our design.
>>>>
>>>>God will remove all of Adam's genetic errors passed on to us.
>>>
>>>Why did God create Adam with genetic errors?
>>
>>According to 2 Sam 22:31, that's impossible:
>
>According to you Adam having errors is possible.
See 2 Sam 22:31 directly below.
>
>>(2 Samuel 22:31) The way of the true God is perfect; The saying of
>>Jehovah is refined. He is a shield to all those taking refuge in him.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>>There is a Scripture which tells us that this is not the REAL life.
>>>>>>That is yet to come.
>>>>>
>>>>>That scripture is very wrong.
>>>>>This is the ONLY life we get.
>>>>
>>>>How do you know for sure? You never had a chance to live on a paradise
>>>>earth. All those who have died in the past, will be resurrected to a
>>>>"new earth" (one without wickedness).
>>>
>>>How do you know for sure?
>>
>>Because I have researched the Bible enough to believe its ideas are
>>from God and true.
>
>That is a lie.
I am afraid not.
>
>>>Consciousness is a function of our brain.
>>>When brain activity ceases the person ceases to exist.
>>>The afterlife is a lie to control people.
>>
>>I have heard that many times. It is from Biblically uninformed people.
>>The Bible does agree with you on the fact that when a person dies, he
>>ceases to exist for a while. (you get a point for that one)
>
>The bible says the moon is a light.
So does NASA. They call it "moonlight".
(https://science.nasa.gov/full-moonlight)
And originally our eyes, and nose, and mouth, and ears, etc.
You wish.
>
>>Mankind has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
>
>We are doing much better going our own way.
>We are living longer and generally better lives.
>We even have medication to help people control
>their panic attacks.
We have diseases that have no cures. We have pandemics that kill
millions, we have wars that kill millions, we have starvation that
kills millions, we have air pollution that affects millions, we have
polluted water that affects millions, we have upset nature's balance
of insects causing crop damage in the millions, etc, etc, etc.
>
>>>>>>>>>>Adam
>>>>>>>>>>caused us to be imperfect. God will correct his flaw that he
>>>>>>>>>>genetically passed on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm wondering why God decided to make Adam that way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ether that or make him a robot. God doesn't want robot worshippers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hopefully God does not want any worshippers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Bible says God wants to be worshipped. He gives us so much, that
>>>>>>is the least we can do for Him.
>>>>>
>>>>>How can you worship the giver of great suffering?
>>>>
>>>>Many people do worship the Devil. It makes no sense, but they do.
>>>>Some are not aware they worship the Devil, but are by obeying his
>>>>wickedness.
>>>
>>>Really they are obeying God's wickedness.
>>
>>That is an oxymoron. There is no such thing.
>
>No such thing as God or no such thing as wickedness?
You know those answers.
>
>>>Back to the question.
>>>How can you worship the giver of great suffering?
>>
>>Many people just want to worship the "giver of great suffering"; the
>>Devil.
>
>Back to the question.
>How can YOU worship the giver of great suffering?
I don't worship Satan.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eat the apple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>king.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>other species.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Other animals can only go with their God given instincts.
>>>>>>>>>We should copy the other animals that are not corrupted
>>>>>>>>>by our human ideas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Like what examples?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We should fight for mating rights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>??
>>>>>
>>>>>??
>>>>
>>>>What do you mean "We should fight for mating rights."?
>>>
>>>We should not fight our God given instincts.
>>
>>Like what?
>
>We should fight for mating rights.
Again, what does that mean?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>It can't be God:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>God can't be God?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>>"It can't be God:"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That's right. It can't be God who gives us bad instincts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As you said, only God could design something as complex
>>>>>>>as our brain.
>>>>>
>>>>>Therefore it must be God.
>>>>
>>>>I guess you could call it 'conditional programming'. What was
>>>>programmed into Adam, would only become active if he disobeyed the one
>>>>simple command of God. That command showed that God was in charge, and
>>>>to look to Him for guidance in all things.
>>>
>>>So God does cause us great suffering so He can show His power.
>>
>>Has God showed you His power? We certainly do enough suffering to
>>fulfill your accusation.
>
>I'm glad you understand.
Yes, I understand, but do you?
But not how it turns out.
That's easy. Zero detailed method.
And then the FMC is responsible for all wrecked Fords in junkyards.
>
>>>>Also, that's not a correct comparison. The laws of physics are
>>>>perfect. They are what keeps a car running, your house from caving
>>>>in, your refrigerator keeping your food from spoiling, your ability to
>>>>can foods, letting a spaceship travel to the moon, etc, etc.
>>>>
>>>>People's brains on drugs and excessive alcohol is what can cause car
>>>>crashes. It has nothing to do with the original design. A teen going
>>>>100 mph in a residential zone can also cause all kinds of detriments.
>>>
>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>
>>...NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>
>Our brain makes us do the crazy things you complain about.
What crazy things?
Sincerely James
A world out of control
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That is why it is moot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I missed your answer.
>>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>He can do both if He wants to. Like it is said, "God can do anything".
>>>>>>>>(within His righteous standards) But His original designs were
>>>>>>>>perfect, so He wouldn't be revising there. (free will and all)
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did you freely choose to have panic attacks?
>>>>
>>>>The same reason you choose to be depressed.
>>>
>>>What do we base our choices on?
>>
>>lies.
>
>Does God give us all the information we need to always make
>good choices?
>
>>>>>>>Before you said God can't amend his perfect design but he can
>>>>>>>revise his design. See earlier in this post for the reference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God COULD amend and revise any of his designs, even though they are
>>>>>>perfect. If He wanted to give humans 3 arms and 3 legs, they would
>>>>>>still be perfect, just with more appendages. I don't see why you can't
>>>>>>understand it.
>>>>>
>>>>>You try to confuse me by saying one thing then later denying it.
>>>>>The proof is in this post.
>>>>
>>>>To be fair, just QUOTE the point in question, and then QUOTE my other
>>>>comment. Then we can see what is going on.
>>>
>>><quote>
>>>>>His design is perfect, it can't be improved. But it can be revised
>>>>>many times.
>>></quote>
>>
>>Like you say it can't be improved by the original creative act. But
>>since Adam CHANGED THINGS, God can correct those errors. (revise it
>>back to the way it's supposed to be.)
>
>Why did God create Adam with errors?
>
>>You are blaming God for Adam's sin.
>
>Of course! God designed Adam to sin.
>
>>>>>>Why did Adam do such
>>>>>>a terrible thing? He was worst than Hitler, 1,000,000 times over.
>>>>>>Every person who has ever died, or will die, do so because of Adam.
>>>>>
>>>>>We know why Adam did those things.
>>>>
>>>>Adam deliberately disobeyed God. Eve was tricked by Satan.
>>>>
>>>>>The question is, why did God create Adam that way?
>>>>
>>>>We don't know a lot of reasons why God created like He did. Why two
>>>>eyes, and not three? Why no wings for mankind? Why not a 3rd set of
>>>>teeth for old-timers, etc?
>>>
>>>Why flightless birds?
>>
>>Because they never got their pilot's licenses.
>>
>>>Why a world where life feeds off life and only
>>>the strongest survive?
>>
>>Within the civilized world, even the weak can survive.
>>
>>>Why a brain which causes panic attacks,
>>>depression, homosexuality, murderous rampages, and control
>>>freaks?
>>
>>You are blaming the brain for such things? Actually it's the
>>personality within the brain that causes such. But those are just some
>>negative things. There are also positive things like helping the poor,
>>loving one's family and others, feeding others in 3rd world countries,
>>giving one's life to save another, etc, etc.
>
>The sort of thing you would expect from a natural process.
that.
>
>>>>>>>>And the farther our body gets away
>>>>>>>>from Adam and Eve, the more corrupt it gets.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And you say that is not an error?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes it's an error that Adam brought to us.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said God doesn't make errors yet now you say God made an
>>>>>error with Adam.
>>>>
>>>>It's no error. How Adam was constructed was God's righteous way.
>>>
>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>
>>No errors with Adam in the beginning. Same with the angel Satan. (and
>>his demon subordinate friends)
>
>God creating Adam with errors and an angel that became Satan
>was not an error?
their Creator.
>
>>>>>>But God will soon eliminate all the errors caused by Adam.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does God put us through all the suffering so He could show us
>>>>>His power?
>>>>
>>>>A lot of the suffering is by man himself. A teen takes LSD and jumps
>>>>out of a tall building. A drunk with his whole family crashes his car.
>>>>A country declares war on another country. A cruel dictator rules a
>>>>nation, etc, etc.
>>>
>>>Does God cause those things so He can show us His power?
>>
>>Has He shown His power to you? No? Then you might need to rephrase
>>your question.
>
>Does God do terrible things so He can save us from Himself?
question.
>
>That must be a bible lie.
>
>>But God will correct our errors in spite of ourselves.
>
>You say God will go against His own original design?
>
>>>>>>>>The Devil deserves nothing but annihilation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Apparently God does not think so else He would have made it so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God has promised it, and all of God's promises always comes true!
>>>>>
>>>>>Except the ones that don't!
>>>>
>>>>Even those do.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The one we now call "Jesus" was the first creation, The spirit
>>>>>>>>>>>>creature now known as "Satan", might have been the second. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>apparently was quite beautiful in appearance and powerful at his
>>>>>>>>>>>>start.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Every superhero requires a nemesis.
>>>>>>>>>>>Batman has the Joker.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>After Jehovah destroys Satan and his demons, he will have no nemesis'.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Why did God create a nemesis?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why did Mrs Bundy give birth to the serial rapist and murderer Ted
>>>>>>>>Bundy?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God made our bodies so that such things are possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Only if one chooses to do that. (recall free will)
>>>>>
>>>>>Apparently God did choose to do that.
>>>>
>>>>God lets genetics help rule births.
>>>
>>>Why would God do such a terrible thing?
>>
>>The original design would have perfect genetic babies every time. And
>>after these important issues are settled, it will be back to that
>>original method once and for all.
>
>Stillborn babies are perfect?
abortions, nor any deformed babies, etc.
>
>>>>>>>>Because she didn't know that he would become that.
>>>>>>>>Neither did God know that Satan would become Satan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God had to know how He made the angel that became Satan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God made him perfect. He could have remained perfect forever. But he
>>>>>>misused his free will. And he tempted Adam and Eve to their
>>>>>>destruction, as well as his own.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did God create Satan, Adam, and Eve, that way?
>>>>
>>>>God didn't want robots. He wanted beings that worshipped Him because
>>>>they believed that God's way were right, and out of love for Him.
>>>
>>>Our thoughts and actions are determined by our brain which
>>>you say God designed.
>>
>>NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY. I must repeat this so as to get
>>through to you.
>>NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>>NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>>NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>>NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>>NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>>NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>>
>>It has many of the original parts, but causes errors here and there.
>>The normal brain probably looks about the same as in the beginning.
>>But how it functions can be where many errors are.
>
>You said God designed our brain.
NOT THE EXACT BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
NOT THE EXACT BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
NOT THE EXACT BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
NOT THE EXACT BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
NOT THE EXACT BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>
>>>>>>>>But Adam did, and we are his genetic offspring.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did God want Adam to be that way?
>>>>
>>>>You said it, God didn't.
>>>
>>>Why did God want Adam to be able to corrupt himself?
>>
>>Nowhere does the Bible say that.
>
>You said it!
>You wrote,
>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
himself. That is not what God wanted. God created the earth, and
animals, planted a garden, put humans in it, ALL FOR NOTHING?
No, God wanted perfect humans living on a paradise earth. That's why
He did so much work on our planet. God didn't get what He wanted in
the beginning, but He will soon. (see Rev 21:3,4)
Eve, who at first were perfect.
>
>>>>>The only way God can fix all the problems is by amending and revising
>>>>>our design.
>>>>
>>>>God will remove all of Adam's genetic errors passed on to us.
>>>
>>>Why did God create Adam with genetic errors?
>>
>>According to 2 Sam 22:31, that's impossible:
>
>According to you Adam having errors is possible.
>
>>(2 Samuel 22:31) The way of the true God is perfect; The saying of
>>Jehovah is refined. He is a shield to all those taking refuge in him.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>>There is a Scripture which tells us that this is not the REAL life.
>>>>>>That is yet to come.
>>>>>
>>>>>That scripture is very wrong.
>>>>>This is the ONLY life we get.
>>>>
>>>>How do you know for sure? You never had a chance to live on a paradise
>>>>earth. All those who have died in the past, will be resurrected to a
>>>>"new earth" (one without wickedness).
>>>
>>>How do you know for sure?
>>
>>Because I have researched the Bible enough to believe its ideas are
>>from God and true.
>
>That is a lie.
>
>>>Consciousness is a function of our brain.
>>>When brain activity ceases the person ceases to exist.
>>>The afterlife is a lie to control people.
>>
>>I have heard that many times. It is from Biblically uninformed people.
>>The Bible does agree with you on the fact that when a person dies, he
>>ceases to exist for a while. (you get a point for that one)
>
>The bible says the moon is a light.
(https://science.nasa.gov/full-moonlight)
>
>>Mankind has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
>
>We are doing much better going our own way.
>We are living longer and generally better lives.
>We even have medication to help people control
>their panic attacks.
millions, we have wars that kill millions, we have starvation that
kills millions, we have air pollution that affects millions, we have
polluted water that affects millions, we have upset nature's balance
of insects causing crop damage in the millions, etc, etc, etc.
>
>>>>>>>>>>Adam
>>>>>>>>>>caused us to be imperfect. God will correct his flaw that he
>>>>>>>>>>genetically passed on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm wondering why God decided to make Adam that way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ether that or make him a robot. God doesn't want robot worshippers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hopefully God does not want any worshippers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Bible says God wants to be worshipped. He gives us so much, that
>>>>>>is the least we can do for Him.
>>>>>
>>>>>How can you worship the giver of great suffering?
>>>>
>>>>Many people do worship the Devil. It makes no sense, but they do.
>>>>Some are not aware they worship the Devil, but are by obeying his
>>>>wickedness.
>>>
>>>Really they are obeying God's wickedness.
>>
>>That is an oxymoron. There is no such thing.
>
>No such thing as God or no such thing as wickedness?
>
>>>Back to the question.
>>>How can you worship the giver of great suffering?
>>
>>Many people just want to worship the "giver of great suffering"; the
>>Devil.
>
>Back to the question.
>How can YOU worship the giver of great suffering?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(Psalm 46:9) He is bringing an end to wars throughout the earth. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>breaks the bow [guns] and shatters the spear [bombs]; He burns the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>military wagons with fire. [tanks] [brackets my speculation]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Will God amend His design so that war will no longer happen?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you have an apple with a worm hole in it, you just cut it out, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eat the apple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>God will 'cut out' all the warmongers. Then there will be no one left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>who wants to war. And peace will reign as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>king.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We are not the only animals that war against their own and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>other species.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But we have the brains to tell us that it is wrong. Other animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Other animals can only go with their God given instincts.
>>>>>>>>>We should copy the other animals that are not corrupted
>>>>>>>>>by our human ideas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Like what examples?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We should fight for mating rights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>??
>>>>>
>>>>>??
>>>>
>>>>What do you mean "We should fight for mating rights."?
>>>
>>>We should not fight our God given instincts.
>>
>>Like what?
>
>We should fight for mating rights.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>It can't be God:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>God can't be God?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>>"It can't be God:"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That's right. It can't be God who gives us bad instincts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As you said, only God could design something as complex
>>>>>>>as our brain.
>>>>>
>>>>>Therefore it must be God.
>>>>
>>>>I guess you could call it 'conditional programming'. What was
>>>>programmed into Adam, would only become active if he disobeyed the one
>>>>simple command of God. That command showed that God was in charge, and
>>>>to look to Him for guidance in all things.
>>>
>>>So God does cause us great suffering so He can show His power.
>>
>>Has God showed you His power? We certainly do enough suffering to
>>fulfill your accusation.
>
>I'm glad you understand.
>
>>>>Also, that's not a correct comparison. The laws of physics are
>>>>perfect. They are what keeps a car running, your house from caving
>>>>in, your refrigerator keeping your food from spoiling, your ability to
>>>>can foods, letting a spaceship travel to the moon, etc, etc.
>>>>
>>>>People's brains on drugs and excessive alcohol is what can cause car
>>>>crashes. It has nothing to do with the original design. A teen going
>>>>100 mph in a residential zone can also cause all kinds of detriments.
>>>
>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>
>>...NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>
>Our brain makes us do the crazy things you complain about.
Sincerely James
A world out of control
See what the Bible says
Lucifer
Jul 12, 2022, 8:35:51 AM7/12/22
to
non-loving things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>That is why it is moot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I missed your answer.
>>>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>He can do both if He wants to. Like it is said, "God can do anything".
>>>>>>>>>(within His righteous standards) But His original designs were
>>>>>>>>>perfect, so He wouldn't be revising there. (free will and all)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why did you freely choose to have panic attacks?
>>>>>
>>>>>The same reason you choose to be depressed.
>>>>
>>>>What do we base our choices on?
>>>
>>>lies.
>>
>>Does God give us all the information we need to always make
>>good choices?
>
>Yes. He has given us the Bible.
>>>>>>>>Before you said God can't amend his perfect design but he can
>>>>>>>>revise his design. See earlier in this post for the reference.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God COULD amend and revise any of his designs, even though they are
>>>>>>>perfect. If He wanted to give humans 3 arms and 3 legs, they would
>>>>>>>still be perfect, just with more appendages. I don't see why you can't
>>>>>>>understand it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You try to confuse me by saying one thing then later denying it.
>>>>>>The proof is in this post.
>>>>>
>>>>>To be fair, just QUOTE the point in question, and then QUOTE my other
>>>>>comment. Then we can see what is going on.
>>>>
>>>><quote>
>>>>>>His design is perfect, it can't be improved. But it can be revised
>>>>>>many times.
>>>></quote>
>>>
>>>Like you say it can't be improved by the original creative act. But
>>>since Adam CHANGED THINGS, God can correct those errors. (revise it
>>>back to the way it's supposed to be.)
>>
>>Why did God create Adam with errors?
>
>Answered that already mucho times.
>>>You are blaming God for Adam's sin.
>>
>>Of course! God designed Adam to sin.
>
>Then Adam was a robot. Really? What happened to free will?
You did not choose to have panic attacks.
depression, homosexuality, murderous rampages, and control
freaks?
Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
freaks?
problems as other mammals?
Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>>>>>>>>And the farther our body gets away
>>>>>>>>>from Adam and Eve, the more corrupt it gets.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And you say that is not an error?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes it's an error that Adam brought to us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You said God doesn't make errors yet now you say God made an
>>>>>>error with Adam.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's no error. How Adam was constructed was God's righteous way.
>>>>
>>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>>
>>>No errors with Adam in the beginning. Same with the angel Satan. (and
>>>his demon subordinate friends)
>>
>>God creating Adam with errors and an angel that became Satan
>>was not an error?
>
>Absolutely not. The responsibility lies with the free will beings, not
>their Creator.
>>>>>>>But God will soon eliminate all the errors caused by Adam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Does God put us through all the suffering so He could show us
>>>>>>His power?
>>>>>
>>>>>A lot of the suffering is by man himself. A teen takes LSD and jumps
>>>>>out of a tall building. A drunk with his whole family crashes his car.
>>>>>A country declares war on another country. A cruel dictator rules a
>>>>>nation, etc, etc.
>>>>
>>>>Does God cause those things so He can show us His power?
>>>
>>>Has He shown His power to you? No? Then you might need to rephrase
>>>your question.
>>
>>Does God do terrible things so He can save us from Himself?
>
>Have you been saved from God? No? Then you need to rephrase your
>question.
>>>But God will correct our errors in spite of ourselves.
>>
>>You say God will go against His own original design?
>
>Not against, but will resort BACK to it soon.
God does not make mistakes.
God does not make mistakes.
>>>>>>>>>But Adam did, and we are his genetic offspring.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why did God want Adam to be that way?
>>>>>
>>>>>You said it, God didn't.
>>>>
>>>>Why did God want Adam to be able to corrupt himself?
>>>
>>>Nowhere does the Bible say that.
>>
>>You said it!
>>You wrote,
>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>
>Nowhere does the Bible say GOD WANTED ADAM to be able to corrupt
>himself. That is not what God wanted.
>God created the earth, and
>animals, planted a garden, put humans in it, ALL FOR NOTHING?
For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth,
visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or
authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
God does not make mistakes.
>>>>>>>>>>>And many people
>>>>>>>>>>>get their morals from Satan, instead of from God's word, the Bible.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What determines how we use our free will?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hopefully God acts to ensure all our choices have a good outcome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>After God destroys the wicked, who make things difficult for righteous
>>>>>>>ones, all our actions will have a good outcome.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Until we breed more.
>>>>>
>>>>>That makes no difference. The wicked ones will be gone.
>>>>
>>>>The wicked ones were gone after the Noah genocide.
>>>
>>>Wouldn't you want someone to take care of 10,000 Hitlers running
>>>around? The original occupants of the earth were just wicked all the
>>>time.
>>
>>I thought you said the original occupants of the earth were perfect.
>
>Let me clarify that. By "original" I meant "first" ones after Adam and
>Eve, who at first were perfect.
>>>>>>The only way God can fix all the problems is by amending and revising
>>>>>>our design.
>>>>>
>>>>>God will remove all of Adam's genetic errors passed on to us.
>>>>
>>>>Why did God create Adam with genetic errors?
>>>
>>>According to 2 Sam 22:31, that's impossible:
>>
>>According to you Adam having errors is possible.
>
>See 2 Sam 22:31 directly below.
>>>>>God will remove all of Adam's genetic errors passed on to us.
>>>(2 Samuel 22:31) The way of the true God is perfect; The saying of
>>>Jehovah is refined. He is a shield to all those taking refuge in him.
depression, homosexuality, murderous rampages, and control
freaks?
Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
freaks?
problems as other mammals?
Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
before they are old enough to safely give birth?
Why does God do such terrible things?
>>>Mankind has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
>>
>>We are doing much better going our own way.
>>We are living longer and generally better lives.
>>We even have medication to help people control
>>their panic attacks.
>
>We have diseases that have no cures. We have pandemics that kill
>millions, we have wars that kill millions, we have starvation that
>kills millions, we have air pollution that affects millions, we have
>polluted water that affects millions, we have upset nature's balance
>of insects causing crop damage in the millions, etc, etc, etc.
>>
>>We are doing much better going our own way.
>>We are living longer and generally better lives.
>>We even have medication to help people control
>>their panic attacks.
>
>We have diseases that have no cures. We have pandemics that kill
>millions, we have wars that kill millions, we have starvation that
>kills millions, we have air pollution that affects millions, we have
>polluted water that affects millions, we have upset nature's balance
>of insects causing crop damage in the millions, etc, etc, etc.
Why does God do such terrible things?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>It can't be God:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>God can't be God?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>>>"It can't be God:"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That's right. It can't be God who gives us bad instincts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>As you said, only God could design something as complex
>>>>>>>>as our brain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Therefore it must be God.
>>>>>
>>>>>I guess you could call it 'conditional programming'. What was
>>>>>programmed into Adam, would only become active if he disobeyed the one
>>>>>simple command of God. That command showed that God was in charge, and
>>>>>to look to Him for guidance in all things.
>>>>
>>>>So God does cause us great suffering so He can show His power.
>>>
>>>Has God showed you His power? We certainly do enough suffering to
>>>fulfill your accusation.
>>
>>I'm glad you understand.
>
>Yes, I understand, but do you?
>Sincerely James
>A world out of control
zeb...@windstream.net
Jul 12, 2022, 2:34:57 PM7/12/22
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On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 22:35:45 +1000, Lucifer
Yes, many godless people are non-loving. So are some religious people.
>
>>>>>>>>>Before you said God can't amend his perfect design but he can
>>>>>>>>>revise his design. See earlier in this post for the reference.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God COULD amend and revise any of his designs, even though they are
>>>>>>>>perfect. If He wanted to give humans 3 arms and 3 legs, they would
>>>>>>>>still be perfect, just with more appendages. I don't see why you can't
>>>>>>>>understand it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You try to confuse me by saying one thing then later denying it.
>>>>>>>The proof is in this post.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>To be fair, just QUOTE the point in question, and then QUOTE my other
>>>>>>comment. Then we can see what is going on.
>>>>>
>>>>><quote>
>>>>>>>His design is perfect, it can't be improved. But it can be revised
>>>>>>>many times.
>>>>></quote>
>>>>
>>>>Like you say it can't be improved by the original creative act. But
>>>>since Adam CHANGED THINGS, God can correct those errors. (revise it
>>>>back to the way it's supposed to be.)
>>>
>>>Why did God create Adam with errors?
>>
>>Answered that already mucho times.
>
>You said you don't know why God does stupid things.
You said 2 times 2 = 9.
Scripture please.
>
>>>>You are blaming God for Adam's sin.
>>>
>>>Of course! God designed Adam to sin.
>>
>>Then Adam was a robot. Really? What happened to free will?
>
>Adam did not choose to pass faulty genes on to us.
Adam did choose to disobey God, and get all the repercussions of such.
He made a universal mistake.
>You did not choose to have panic attacks.
Random chance is at work in my brain. The drugs keep it in check.
Ask Adam. He caused ALL of such things.
>
>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>problems as other mammals?
Do you have problems salivating? Do you have an urge to make dams out
of small streams? Do you want to hop everywhere you go? Do you roar
when you are upset? Do you have a taste for raw rats and mice?
If so, yes you are just like other mammals.
>
>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
Talk to the males who reproduce with underage girls. (hopefully they
are arrested) They don't give birth if they don't mate. Again, you can
blame Adam. Our original father was a bad guy.
>
>>>>>>>>>>And the farther our body gets away
>>>>>>>>>>from Adam and Eve, the more corrupt it gets.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And you say that is not an error?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes it's an error that Adam brought to us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You said God doesn't make errors yet now you say God made an
>>>>>>>error with Adam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's no error. How Adam was constructed was God's righteous way.
>>>>>
>>>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>>>
>>>>No errors with Adam in the beginning. Same with the angel Satan. (and
>>>>his demon subordinate friends)
>>>
>>>God creating Adam with errors and an angel that became Satan
>>>was not an error?
>>
>>Absolutely not. The responsibility lies with the free will beings, not
>>their Creator.
>
>Are you responsible for giving yourself panic attacks?
Yes, if I go to places that triggers it. By staying away from such
places, and staying medicated, I can live a fairly normal life.
>
>>>>>>>>But God will soon eliminate all the errors caused by Adam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Does God put us through all the suffering so He could show us
>>>>>>>His power?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A lot of the suffering is by man himself. A teen takes LSD and jumps
>>>>>>out of a tall building. A drunk with his whole family crashes his car.
>>>>>>A country declares war on another country. A cruel dictator rules a
>>>>>>nation, etc, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does God cause those things so He can show us His power?
>>>>
>>>>Has He shown His power to you? No? Then you might need to rephrase
>>>>your question.
>>>
>>>Does God do terrible things so He can save us from Himself?
>>
>>Have you been saved from God? No? Then you need to rephrase your
>>question.
>
>Could you please answer my question first?
Sure, NO! Now please rephrase.
On the contrary, I use my free will to draw closer to my God.
>
>>>>But God will correct our errors in spite of ourselves.
>>>
>>>You say God will go against His own original design?
>>
>>Not against, but will resort BACK to it soon.
>
>No wonder you are depressed.
I am quite content. It is you who are depressed.
I have meds that do that. I can pray for others. And I confess, I
should pray more often.
Wait and see the powers of God!
I said not the EXACT one we have today. There are serial rapists and
murderers, and insane people, and violent ones, and all kinds.
I said not the EXACT one we have today. There are serial rapists and
murderers, and insane people, and violent ones, and all kinds.
>
>>>>>>>>>>But Adam did, and we are his genetic offspring.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did God want Adam to be that way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You said it, God didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did God want Adam to be able to corrupt himself?
>>>>
>>>>Nowhere does the Bible say that.
>>>
>>>You said it!
>>>You wrote,
>>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>
>>Nowhere does the Bible say GOD WANTED ADAM to be able to corrupt
>>himself. That is not what God wanted.
>
>You said it!
Where?
>
>>God created the earth, and
>>animals, planted a garden, put humans in it, ALL FOR NOTHING?
>
>Colossians 1:16
>For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth,
>visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or
>authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
Yes, Jesus was the recipient of all those things.
I said not the EXACT one we have today. There are serial rapists and
murderers, and insane people, and violent ones, and all kinds.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>And many people
>>>>>>>>>>>>get their morals from Satan, instead of from God's word, the Bible.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What determines how we use our free will?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hopefully God acts to ensure all our choices have a good outcome.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>After God destroys the wicked, who make things difficult for righteous
>>>>>>>>ones, all our actions will have a good outcome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Until we breed more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That makes no difference. The wicked ones will be gone.
>>>>>
>>>>>The wicked ones were gone after the Noah genocide.
>>>>
>>>>Wouldn't you want someone to take care of 10,000 Hitlers running
>>>>around? The original occupants of the earth were just wicked all the
>>>>time.
>>>
>>>I thought you said the original occupants of the earth were perfect.
>>
>>Let me clarify that. By "original" I meant "first" ones after Adam and
>>Eve, who at first were perfect.
>
>Perfect things don't become imperfect unless God intervened.
Good point. Actually Adam intervened and brought the woes on mankind.
But God had to have programmed Adam to receive his punishment if he
disobeyed God.
Give your thanks to Adam, our first father.
>
>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>problems as other mammals?
Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>
>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
You wish. Then you would have a REAL reason to downgrade God.
>
>>>>Mankind has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
>>>
>>>We are doing much better going our own way.
>>>We are living longer and generally better lives.
>>>We even have medication to help people control
>>>their panic attacks.
>>
>>We have diseases that have no cures. We have pandemics that kill
>>millions, we have wars that kill millions, we have starvation that
>>kills millions, we have air pollution that affects millions, we have
>>polluted water that affects millions, we have upset nature's balance
>>of insects causing crop damage in the millions, etc, etc, etc.
>
>Why does God do such terrible things?
If the Creator of all matter wanted to do terrible things to us, you
would know it; that is, if you survived.
I really don't worship the Devil. That would be idiotic.
Panic attacks are not instincts. They are a medical condition that for
most people takes medication to subdue them.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It can't be God:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>God can't be God?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>>>>"It can't be God:"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That's right. It can't be God who gives us bad instincts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>As you said, only God could design something as complex
>>>>>>>>>as our brain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Therefore it must be God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I guess you could call it 'conditional programming'. What was
>>>>>>programmed into Adam, would only become active if he disobeyed the one
>>>>>>simple command of God. That command showed that God was in charge, and
>>>>>>to look to Him for guidance in all things.
>>>>>
>>>>>So God does cause us great suffering so He can show His power.
>>>>
>>>>Has God showed you His power? We certainly do enough suffering to
>>>>fulfill your accusation.
>>>
>>>I'm glad you understand.
>>
>>Yes, I understand, but do you?
>
>I read between the lines.
And that tells you what?
Not a world of suffering.
The laws of physics are pure. They are neither good or bad, but just
are.
The brains of the people who drive cars are the result of
contamination by Adam long ago. We are over 6000 years from our
creation. By now I am surprised we can even think with our corrupted
brains.
>
>>>>>>Also, that's not a correct comparison. The laws of physics are
>>>>>>perfect. They are what keeps a car running, your house from caving
>>>>>>in, your refrigerator keeping your food from spoiling, your ability to
>>>>>>can foods, letting a spaceship travel to the moon, etc, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>People's brains on drugs and excessive alcohol is what can cause car
>>>>>>crashes. It has nothing to do with the original design. A teen going
>>>>>>100 mph in a residential zone can also cause all kinds of detriments.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>>>
>>>>...NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>>>
>>>Our brain makes us do the crazy things you complain about.
>>
>>What crazy things?
>
>Your panic attacks, etc.
I give thanks to Adam for that little nicety.
>
>>Sincerely James
>>A world out of control
>
>A James out of control
Not yet. Hopefully the world ends before I do.
Sincerely James
A world out of control
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>That is why it is moot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I missed your answer.
>>>>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>He can do both if He wants to. Like it is said, "God can do anything".
>>>>>>>>>>(within His righteous standards) But His original designs were
>>>>>>>>>>perfect, so He wouldn't be revising there. (free will and all)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did you freely choose to have panic attacks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The same reason you choose to be depressed.
>>>>>
>>>>>What do we base our choices on?
>>>>
>>>>lies.
>>>
>>>Does God give us all the information we need to always make
>>>good choices?
>>
>>Yes. He has given us the Bible.
>
>Then all our choices are good.
Only if we FOLLOW the Bible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>That is why it is moot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I missed your answer.
>>>>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>He can do both if He wants to. Like it is said, "God can do anything".
>>>>>>>>>>(within His righteous standards) But His original designs were
>>>>>>>>>>perfect, so He wouldn't be revising there. (free will and all)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did you freely choose to have panic attacks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The same reason you choose to be depressed.
>>>>>
>>>>>What do we base our choices on?
>>>>
>>>>lies.
>>>
>>>Does God give us all the information we need to always make
>>>good choices?
>>
>>Yes. He has given us the Bible.
>
>Then all our choices are good.
>
>>>>>>>>>Before you said God can't amend his perfect design but he can
>>>>>>>>>revise his design. See earlier in this post for the reference.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God COULD amend and revise any of his designs, even though they are
>>>>>>>>perfect. If He wanted to give humans 3 arms and 3 legs, they would
>>>>>>>>still be perfect, just with more appendages. I don't see why you can't
>>>>>>>>understand it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You try to confuse me by saying one thing then later denying it.
>>>>>>>The proof is in this post.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>To be fair, just QUOTE the point in question, and then QUOTE my other
>>>>>>comment. Then we can see what is going on.
>>>>>
>>>>><quote>
>>>>>>>His design is perfect, it can't be improved. But it can be revised
>>>>>>>many times.
>>>>></quote>
>>>>
>>>>Like you say it can't be improved by the original creative act. But
>>>>since Adam CHANGED THINGS, God can correct those errors. (revise it
>>>>back to the way it's supposed to be.)
>>>
>>>Why did God create Adam with errors?
>>
>>Answered that already mucho times.
>
>You said you don't know why God does stupid things.
>
>>>>You are blaming God for Adam's sin.
>>>
>>>Of course! God designed Adam to sin.
>>
>>Then Adam was a robot. Really? What happened to free will?
>
>Adam did not choose to pass faulty genes on to us.
He made a universal mistake.
>You did not choose to have panic attacks.
>
>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>problems as other mammals?
of small streams? Do you want to hop everywhere you go? Do you roar
when you are upset? Do you have a taste for raw rats and mice?
If so, yes you are just like other mammals.
>
>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
are arrested) They don't give birth if they don't mate. Again, you can
blame Adam. Our original father was a bad guy.
>
>>>>>>>>>>And the farther our body gets away
>>>>>>>>>>from Adam and Eve, the more corrupt it gets.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And you say that is not an error?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes it's an error that Adam brought to us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You said God doesn't make errors yet now you say God made an
>>>>>>>error with Adam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's no error. How Adam was constructed was God's righteous way.
>>>>>
>>>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>>>
>>>>No errors with Adam in the beginning. Same with the angel Satan. (and
>>>>his demon subordinate friends)
>>>
>>>God creating Adam with errors and an angel that became Satan
>>>was not an error?
>>
>>Absolutely not. The responsibility lies with the free will beings, not
>>their Creator.
>
>Are you responsible for giving yourself panic attacks?
places, and staying medicated, I can live a fairly normal life.
>
>>>>>>>>But God will soon eliminate all the errors caused by Adam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Does God put us through all the suffering so He could show us
>>>>>>>His power?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A lot of the suffering is by man himself. A teen takes LSD and jumps
>>>>>>out of a tall building. A drunk with his whole family crashes his car.
>>>>>>A country declares war on another country. A cruel dictator rules a
>>>>>>nation, etc, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does God cause those things so He can show us His power?
>>>>
>>>>Has He shown His power to you? No? Then you might need to rephrase
>>>>your question.
>>>
>>>Does God do terrible things so He can save us from Himself?
>>
>>Have you been saved from God? No? Then you need to rephrase your
>>question.
>
>Could you please answer my question first?
>
>>>>But God will correct our errors in spite of ourselves.
>>>
>>>You say God will go against His own original design?
>>
>>Not against, but will resort BACK to it soon.
>
>No wonder you are depressed.
should pray more often.
murderers, and insane people, and violent ones, and all kinds.
murderers, and insane people, and violent ones, and all kinds.
>
>>>>>>>>>>But Adam did, and we are his genetic offspring.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did God want Adam to be that way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You said it, God didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did God want Adam to be able to corrupt himself?
>>>>
>>>>Nowhere does the Bible say that.
>>>
>>>You said it!
>>>You wrote,
>>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>
>>Nowhere does the Bible say GOD WANTED ADAM to be able to corrupt
>>himself. That is not what God wanted.
>
>You said it!
>
>>God created the earth, and
>>animals, planted a garden, put humans in it, ALL FOR NOTHING?
>
>Colossians 1:16
>For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth,
>visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or
>authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
murderers, and insane people, and violent ones, and all kinds.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>And many people
>>>>>>>>>>>>get their morals from Satan, instead of from God's word, the Bible.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What determines how we use our free will?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hopefully God acts to ensure all our choices have a good outcome.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>After God destroys the wicked, who make things difficult for righteous
>>>>>>>>ones, all our actions will have a good outcome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Until we breed more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That makes no difference. The wicked ones will be gone.
>>>>>
>>>>>The wicked ones were gone after the Noah genocide.
>>>>
>>>>Wouldn't you want someone to take care of 10,000 Hitlers running
>>>>around? The original occupants of the earth were just wicked all the
>>>>time.
>>>
>>>I thought you said the original occupants of the earth were perfect.
>>
>>Let me clarify that. By "original" I meant "first" ones after Adam and
>>Eve, who at first were perfect.
>
>Perfect things don't become imperfect unless God intervened.
But God had to have programmed Adam to receive his punishment if he
disobeyed God.
>
>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>problems as other mammals?
>
>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>
>>>>Mankind has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
>>>
>>>We are doing much better going our own way.
>>>We are living longer and generally better lives.
>>>We even have medication to help people control
>>>their panic attacks.
>>
>>We have diseases that have no cures. We have pandemics that kill
>>millions, we have wars that kill millions, we have starvation that
>>kills millions, we have air pollution that affects millions, we have
>>polluted water that affects millions, we have upset nature's balance
>>of insects causing crop damage in the millions, etc, etc, etc.
>
>Why does God do such terrible things?
would know it; that is, if you survived.
most people takes medication to subdue them.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It can't be God:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>God can't be God?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>>>>"It can't be God:"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That's right. It can't be God who gives us bad instincts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>As you said, only God could design something as complex
>>>>>>>>>as our brain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Therefore it must be God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I guess you could call it 'conditional programming'. What was
>>>>>>programmed into Adam, would only become active if he disobeyed the one
>>>>>>simple command of God. That command showed that God was in charge, and
>>>>>>to look to Him for guidance in all things.
>>>>>
>>>>>So God does cause us great suffering so He can show His power.
>>>>
>>>>Has God showed you His power? We certainly do enough suffering to
>>>>fulfill your accusation.
>>>
>>>I'm glad you understand.
>>
>>Yes, I understand, but do you?
>
>I read between the lines.
are.
The brains of the people who drive cars are the result of
contamination by Adam long ago. We are over 6000 years from our
creation. By now I am surprised we can even think with our corrupted
brains.
>
>>>>>>Also, that's not a correct comparison. The laws of physics are
>>>>>>perfect. They are what keeps a car running, your house from caving
>>>>>>in, your refrigerator keeping your food from spoiling, your ability to
>>>>>>can foods, letting a spaceship travel to the moon, etc, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>People's brains on drugs and excessive alcohol is what can cause car
>>>>>>crashes. It has nothing to do with the original design. A teen going
>>>>>>100 mph in a residential zone can also cause all kinds of detriments.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>>>
>>>>...NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>>>
>>>Our brain makes us do the crazy things you complain about.
>>
>>What crazy things?
>
>Your panic attacks, etc.
>
>>Sincerely James
>>A world out of control
>
>A James out of control
Sincerely James
A world out of control
See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org
Lucifer
Jul 12, 2022, 9:16:15 PM7/12/22
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On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 14:34:51 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
Would it be OK if I delete parts of this post that are no longer
relevant?
If you prefer you could delete the no longer relevant parts.
That would not happen if there was a God of love.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>That is why it is moot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I missed your answer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>He can do both if He wants to. Like it is said, "God can do anything".
>>>>>>>>>>>(within His righteous standards) But His original designs were
>>>>>>>>>>>perfect, so He wouldn't be revising there. (free will and all)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why did you freely choose to have panic attacks?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The same reason you choose to be depressed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What do we base our choices on?
>>>>>
>>>>>lies.
>>>>
>>>>Does God give us all the information we need to always make
>>>>good choices?
>>>
>>>Yes. He has given us the Bible.
>>
>>Then all our choices are good.
>
>Only if we FOLLOW the Bible.
Do people who have never heard of the bible have all the information
they need to always make good choices?
Genesis
16 To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
>>>>>You are blaming God for Adam's sin.
>>>>
>>>>Of course! God designed Adam to sin.
>>>
>>>Then Adam was a robot. Really? What happened to free will?
>>
>>Adam did not choose to pass faulty genes on to us.
>
>Adam did choose to disobey God, and get all the repercussions of such.
>He made a universal mistake.
You said God making Adam that way was not an error.
>>You did not choose to have panic attacks.
>
>Random chance is at work in my brain. The drugs keep it in check.
You said you don't know why God made your brain that way.
You said humans are not capable of designing our brain.
>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>problems as other mammals?
>
>Do you have problems salivating? Do you have an urge to make dams out
>of small streams? Do you want to hop everywhere you go? Do you roar
>when you are upset? Do you have a taste for raw rats and mice?
>If so, yes you are just like other mammals.
I was wondering why God created us as just another mammal with the
same problems as other mammals.
You would expect that from a natural process but not from God.
>Talk to the males who reproduce with underage girls. (hopefully they
>are arrested) They don't give birth if they don't mate. Again, you can
>blame Adam. Our original father was a bad guy.
God is our original father, right?
I was wondering why God designed us mammals so the female can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>>>>>>>>>>And the farther our body gets away
>>>>>>>>>>>from Adam and Eve, the more corrupt it gets.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And you say that is not an error?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes it's an error that Adam brought to us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You said God doesn't make errors yet now you say God made an
>>>>>>>>error with Adam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's no error. How Adam was constructed was God's righteous way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>>>>
>>>>>No errors with Adam in the beginning. Same with the angel Satan. (and
>>>>>his demon subordinate friends)
>>>>
>>>>God creating Adam with errors and an angel that became Satan
>>>>was not an error?
>>>
>>>Absolutely not. The responsibility lies with the free will beings, not
>>>their Creator.
>>
>>Are you responsible for giving yourself panic attacks?
>
>Yes, if I go to places that triggers it. By staying away from such
>places, and staying medicated, I can live a fairly normal life.
Is it safe for you to defy God that way?
>>>>>>>>>But God will soon eliminate all the errors caused by Adam.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Does God put us through all the suffering so He could show us
>>>>>>>>His power?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>A lot of the suffering is by man himself. A teen takes LSD and jumps
>>>>>>>out of a tall building. A drunk with his whole family crashes his car.
>>>>>>>A country declares war on another country. A cruel dictator rules a
>>>>>>>nation, etc, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Does God cause those things so He can show us His power?
>>>>>
>>>>>Has He shown His power to you? No? Then you might need to rephrase
>>>>>your question.
>>>>
>>>>Does God do terrible things so He can save us from Himself?
>>>
>>>Have you been saved from God? No? Then you need to rephrase your
>>>question.
>>
>>Could you please answer my question first?
>
>Sure, NO! Now please rephrase.
What is the reason God does terrible things?
If that was true you would welcome your panic attacks.
>>>>>But God will correct our errors in spite of ourselves.
>>>>
>>>>You say God will go against His own original design?
>>>
>>>Not against, but will resort BACK to it soon.
>>
>>No wonder you are depressed.
>
>I am quite content. It is you who are depressed.
I should be given the way God abuses us.
Like you I am fighting back.
Please don't pray for me!
If you were right it would be all over the news.
You said you don't know why God designed our brain to include
those things.
That's the way God works.
>>>>>>>>>>>But Adam did, and we are his genetic offspring.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why did God want Adam to be that way?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You said it, God didn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why did God want Adam to be able to corrupt himself?
>>>>>
>>>>>Nowhere does the Bible say that.
>>>>
>>>>You said it!
>>>>You wrote,
>>>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>>
>>>Nowhere does the Bible say GOD WANTED ADAM to be able to corrupt
>>>himself. That is not what God wanted.
>>
>>You said it!
>
>Where?
4 lines above. You wrote,
God must have reasons for designing our brain that way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>And many people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>get their morals from Satan, instead of from God's word, the Bible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>What determines how we use our free will?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hopefully God acts to ensure all our choices have a good outcome.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>After God destroys the wicked, who make things difficult for righteous
>>>>>>>>>ones, all our actions will have a good outcome.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Until we breed more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That makes no difference. The wicked ones will be gone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The wicked ones were gone after the Noah genocide.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wouldn't you want someone to take care of 10,000 Hitlers running
>>>>>around? The original occupants of the earth were just wicked all the
>>>>>time.
>>>>
>>>>I thought you said the original occupants of the earth were perfect.
>>>
>>>Let me clarify that. By "original" I meant "first" ones after Adam and
>>>Eve, who at first were perfect.
>>
>>Perfect things don't become imperfect unless God intervened.
>
>Good point. Actually Adam intervened and brought the woes on mankind.
>But God had to have programmed Adam to receive his punishment if he
>disobeyed God.
Thus making God responsible for all our problems.
Adam's defiance did allow us to rise above our God given instincts.
>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>problems as other mammals?
>
>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>
>>
>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>
>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
I was hoping you would tell me why God made Adam that way.
Why do you downgrade God?
>>>>>Mankind has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
>>>>
>>>>We are doing much better going our own way.
>>>>We are living longer and generally better lives.
>>>>We even have medication to help people control
>>>>their panic attacks.
>>>
>>>We have diseases that have no cures. We have pandemics that kill
>>>millions, we have wars that kill millions, we have starvation that
>>>kills millions, we have air pollution that affects millions, we have
>>>polluted water that affects millions, we have upset nature's balance
>>>of insects causing crop damage in the millions, etc, etc, etc.
>>
>>Why does God do such terrible things?
>
>If the Creator of all matter wanted to do terrible things to us, you
>would know it; that is, if you survived.
We do know it.
You said you worship the giver of everything
including great suffering.
Why would you want to subdue what God has chosen for you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It can't be God:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>God can't be God?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>>>>>"It can't be God:"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>That's right. It can't be God who gives us bad instincts.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>As you said, only God could design something as complex
>>>>>>>>>>as our brain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Therefore it must be God.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I guess you could call it 'conditional programming'. What was
>>>>>>>programmed into Adam, would only become active if he disobeyed the one
>>>>>>>simple command of God. That command showed that God was in charge, and
>>>>>>>to look to Him for guidance in all things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So God does cause us great suffering so He can show His power.
>>>>>
>>>>>Has God showed you His power? We certainly do enough suffering to
>>>>>fulfill your accusation.
>>>>
>>>>I'm glad you understand.
>>>
>>>Yes, I understand, but do you?
>>
>>I read between the lines.
>
>And that tells you what?
It tells me you are unhappy with God.
Are you aware of any suffering?
Is it safe for you to be so critical of God?
>>>>>>>Also, that's not a correct comparison. The laws of physics are
>>>>>>>perfect. They are what keeps a car running, your house from caving
>>>>>>>in, your refrigerator keeping your food from spoiling, your ability to
>>>>>>>can foods, letting a spaceship travel to the moon, etc, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>People's brains on drugs and excessive alcohol is what can cause car
>>>>>>>crashes. It has nothing to do with the original design. A teen going
>>>>>>>100 mph in a residential zone can also cause all kinds of detriments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>>>>
>>>>>...NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>>>>
>>>>Our brain makes us do the crazy things you complain about.
>>>
>>>What crazy things?
>>
>>Your panic attacks, etc.
>
>I give thanks to Adam for that little nicety.
You wrote,
Would it be OK if I delete parts of this post that are no longer
relevant?
If you prefer you could delete the no longer relevant parts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>That is why it is moot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I missed your answer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>He can do both if He wants to. Like it is said, "God can do anything".
>>>>>>>>>>>(within His righteous standards) But His original designs were
>>>>>>>>>>>perfect, so He wouldn't be revising there. (free will and all)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why did you freely choose to have panic attacks?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The same reason you choose to be depressed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What do we base our choices on?
>>>>>
>>>>>lies.
>>>>
>>>>Does God give us all the information we need to always make
>>>>good choices?
>>>
>>>Yes. He has given us the Bible.
>>
>>Then all our choices are good.
>
>Only if we FOLLOW the Bible.
they need to always make good choices?
16 To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
>>>>>You are blaming God for Adam's sin.
>>>>
>>>>Of course! God designed Adam to sin.
>>>
>>>Then Adam was a robot. Really? What happened to free will?
>>
>>Adam did not choose to pass faulty genes on to us.
>
>Adam did choose to disobey God, and get all the repercussions of such.
>He made a universal mistake.
>>You did not choose to have panic attacks.
>
>Random chance is at work in my brain. The drugs keep it in check.
>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>problems as other mammals?
>
>Do you have problems salivating? Do you have an urge to make dams out
>of small streams? Do you want to hop everywhere you go? Do you roar
>when you are upset? Do you have a taste for raw rats and mice?
>If so, yes you are just like other mammals.
same problems as other mammals.
You would expect that from a natural process but not from God.
>Talk to the males who reproduce with underage girls. (hopefully they
>are arrested) They don't give birth if they don't mate. Again, you can
>blame Adam. Our original father was a bad guy.
I was wondering why God designed us mammals so the female can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>>>>>>>>>>And the farther our body gets away
>>>>>>>>>>>from Adam and Eve, the more corrupt it gets.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And you say that is not an error?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes it's an error that Adam brought to us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You said God doesn't make errors yet now you say God made an
>>>>>>>>error with Adam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's no error. How Adam was constructed was God's righteous way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>>>>
>>>>>No errors with Adam in the beginning. Same with the angel Satan. (and
>>>>>his demon subordinate friends)
>>>>
>>>>God creating Adam with errors and an angel that became Satan
>>>>was not an error?
>>>
>>>Absolutely not. The responsibility lies with the free will beings, not
>>>their Creator.
>>
>>Are you responsible for giving yourself panic attacks?
>
>Yes, if I go to places that triggers it. By staying away from such
>places, and staying medicated, I can live a fairly normal life.
>>>>>>>>>But God will soon eliminate all the errors caused by Adam.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Does God put us through all the suffering so He could show us
>>>>>>>>His power?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>A lot of the suffering is by man himself. A teen takes LSD and jumps
>>>>>>>out of a tall building. A drunk with his whole family crashes his car.
>>>>>>>A country declares war on another country. A cruel dictator rules a
>>>>>>>nation, etc, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Does God cause those things so He can show us His power?
>>>>>
>>>>>Has He shown His power to you? No? Then you might need to rephrase
>>>>>your question.
>>>>
>>>>Does God do terrible things so He can save us from Himself?
>>>
>>>Have you been saved from God? No? Then you need to rephrase your
>>>question.
>>
>>Could you please answer my question first?
>
>Sure, NO! Now please rephrase.
>>>>>But God will correct our errors in spite of ourselves.
>>>>
>>>>You say God will go against His own original design?
>>>
>>>Not against, but will resort BACK to it soon.
>>
>>No wonder you are depressed.
>
>I am quite content. It is you who are depressed.
Like you I am fighting back.
those things.
>>>>>>>>>>>But Adam did, and we are his genetic offspring.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why did God want Adam to be that way?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You said it, God didn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why did God want Adam to be able to corrupt himself?
>>>>>
>>>>>Nowhere does the Bible say that.
>>>>
>>>>You said it!
>>>>You wrote,
>>>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>>
>>>Nowhere does the Bible say GOD WANTED ADAM to be able to corrupt
>>>himself. That is not what God wanted.
>>
>>You said it!
>
>Where?
"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>>God created the earth, and
>>>animals, planted a garden, put humans in it, ALL FOR NOTHING?
>>
>>Colossians 1:16
>>For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth,
>>visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or
>>authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
>
>Yes, Jesus was the recipient of all those things.
God created everything FOR HIMSELF.
>>>animals, planted a garden, put humans in it, ALL FOR NOTHING?
>>
>>Colossians 1:16
>>For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth,
>>visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or
>>authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
>
>Yes, Jesus was the recipient of all those things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>And many people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>get their morals from Satan, instead of from God's word, the Bible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>What determines how we use our free will?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hopefully God acts to ensure all our choices have a good outcome.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>After God destroys the wicked, who make things difficult for righteous
>>>>>>>>>ones, all our actions will have a good outcome.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Until we breed more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That makes no difference. The wicked ones will be gone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The wicked ones were gone after the Noah genocide.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wouldn't you want someone to take care of 10,000 Hitlers running
>>>>>around? The original occupants of the earth were just wicked all the
>>>>>time.
>>>>
>>>>I thought you said the original occupants of the earth were perfect.
>>>
>>>Let me clarify that. By "original" I meant "first" ones after Adam and
>>>Eve, who at first were perfect.
>>
>>Perfect things don't become imperfect unless God intervened.
>
>Good point. Actually Adam intervened and brought the woes on mankind.
>But God had to have programmed Adam to receive his punishment if he
>disobeyed God.
>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>problems as other mammals?
>
>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>
>>
>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>
>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>>>>>Mankind has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
>>>>
>>>>We are doing much better going our own way.
>>>>We are living longer and generally better lives.
>>>>We even have medication to help people control
>>>>their panic attacks.
>>>
>>>We have diseases that have no cures. We have pandemics that kill
>>>millions, we have wars that kill millions, we have starvation that
>>>kills millions, we have air pollution that affects millions, we have
>>>polluted water that affects millions, we have upset nature's balance
>>>of insects causing crop damage in the millions, etc, etc, etc.
>>
>>Why does God do such terrible things?
>
>If the Creator of all matter wanted to do terrible things to us, you
>would know it; that is, if you survived.
including great suffering.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why are our God given instincts wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From birth, we were given a conscience. Over time we can sear that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>conscience, and then commit wrongs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why does God give us wrong instincts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It can't be God:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>God can't be God?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>>>>>"It can't be God:"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>That's right. It can't be God who gives us bad instincts.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>As you said, only God could design something as complex
>>>>>>>>>>as our brain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Therefore it must be God.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I guess you could call it 'conditional programming'. What was
>>>>>>>programmed into Adam, would only become active if he disobeyed the one
>>>>>>>simple command of God. That command showed that God was in charge, and
>>>>>>>to look to Him for guidance in all things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So God does cause us great suffering so He can show His power.
>>>>>
>>>>>Has God showed you His power? We certainly do enough suffering to
>>>>>fulfill your accusation.
>>>>
>>>>I'm glad you understand.
>>>
>>>Yes, I understand, but do you?
>>
>>I read between the lines.
>
>And that tells you what?
>>>>>>>Also, that's not a correct comparison. The laws of physics are
>>>>>>>perfect. They are what keeps a car running, your house from caving
>>>>>>>in, your refrigerator keeping your food from spoiling, your ability to
>>>>>>>can foods, letting a spaceship travel to the moon, etc, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>People's brains on drugs and excessive alcohol is what can cause car
>>>>>>>crashes. It has nothing to do with the original design. A teen going
>>>>>>>100 mph in a residential zone can also cause all kinds of detriments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>>>>
>>>>>...NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>>>>
>>>>Our brain makes us do the crazy things you complain about.
>>>
>>>What crazy things?
>>
>>Your panic attacks, etc.
>
>I give thanks to Adam for that little nicety.
"People's brains on drugs and excessive alcohol is what can cause car
crashes. It has nothing to do with the original design. A teen going
100 mph in a residential zone can also cause all kinds of detriments."
You said God designed our brain.
crashes. It has nothing to do with the original design. A teen going
100 mph in a residential zone can also cause all kinds of detriments."
You said God designed our brain.
Lucifer
Jul 15, 2022, 2:06:00 AM7/15/22
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zeb...@windstream.net
Jul 15, 2022, 11:20:34 AM7/15/22
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On 11 Jul 2022 22:37:24 GMT, servant wrote:
>
>>>>>Friend james goes off in all directions when he is unable to plugin a
>>>>>rotely learned jw vatican answer to many questions/observations. Thus it
>>>>>is for the question of the subject alone we are interested, not another
>>>>>question possibly related to those plug in responses.
>>>>
>>>>>Let's give him another chance. Observing God's creation, a 2nd revelation
>>>>>along with scripture, provides info about the history of living things
>>>>>going back millions of years.
>>>>
>>>Friend james has ahunch:
>>>
>Friend james tries in one stroke to address the question by asserting a
>diffference in time depths for the question. Because there are two
>revelations from God, His creation and scripture; we can attempt a test
>base on what is observed in God's creation for friend james claim.
>
>He says it is only "thousands of years" of time depth, not the
>millions/billions mentioned to observe changes in kinds and forms of
>living things.
>
>The basic time depth for the universe can be observed by the disstance of
>objects from the earth. The light content of a star for example tells us
>the distance from it. That distance is measured in years.
You are barking up the wrong tree. The earth and the universe are
>
>>>>>Friend james goes off in all directions when he is unable to plugin a
>>>>>rotely learned jw vatican answer to many questions/observations. Thus it
>>>>>is for the question of the subject alone we are interested, not another
>>>>>question possibly related to those plug in responses.
>>>>
>>>>>Let's give him another chance. Observing God's creation, a 2nd revelation
>>>>>along with scripture, provides info about the history of living things
>>>>>going back millions of years.
>>>>
>>>Friend james has ahunch:
>>>
>Friend james tries in one stroke to address the question by asserting a
>diffference in time depths for the question. Because there are two
>revelations from God, His creation and scripture; we can attempt a test
>base on what is observed in God's creation for friend james claim.
>
>He says it is only "thousands of years" of time depth, not the
>millions/billions mentioned to observe changes in kinds and forms of
>living things.
>
>The basic time depth for the universe can be observed by the disstance of
>objects from the earth. The light content of a star for example tells us
>the distance from it. That distance is measured in years.
billions of years old. But the biology is only thousands. The Bible
gives Adam's creation at about 6 or 7 thousand years ago. I believe it
to be 4026 B.C. The animals thousands before that.
After you quit laughing, note that all large civilizations have been
around for only about 6000 years: Egypt, Babylon, Greece, Rome, etc.
>
>The nearest star outside the solar system takes over 4 years to reach
>earth. From the sun, a star also; is over 8 minutes. Looking at the most
>distant stars it takes billions of years for their light to reach earth.
>13.8 is the most recent approximate date for the universe. With the new
>webb telescope far more distant objects can be observed and the time of the
>universe is even older.
>
>In scripture light is said to appear on the first "day", interestingly the
>light of the sun/moon/stars appear on the forth. So scripture tells us a
>"day" is a huge amount of time based on God's revelation of ccreation. and
>how long star lighht would take to reach earth
(Genesis 1:1) In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
>.
>In hebrew the word used for "day" can mean 24 hours or some large
>undetermined amount of time. Thus creation tells us from the first to
>the fourth "day" was in the billions of years from the testiment of the
>creation/universe and the creation of light.>
>
>The pointt, there is no 24 hour restriction of the periods of ttime for
>creation as revealed by God, including how long living things have
>existed..
old, that's fine with me. I agree. The movement of the continents
didn't happen in 24 hours. And distances are measured in lightyears
out in the universe. You must be getting JW's mixed up with other
religions.
>
>Other scientific measures of creation tell us when those living things
>first appeared. Also observation of the creation tells us of what kind and
>form they were in the beginning and how they dramatically changed in form
>and kind over million/billion of yearss to the present..
>
>Thus the unanswered question asked of friend james remains very much on the
>table as follows:
>>>> > >Long ago observation finds living things in abundance of many
>>>>kinds. When >we compare them with existing living things an
>>>>interesting observation >occurs. > >*None* of those ancient life forms
>>>>now exist. *None* of those of today >are found in that ancient time.
>
>So, how do we account for the huge gap in the kinds and forms we observe in
>God's creation revelation? How did living things of kinds and forms change
>from those no longer existing to those now existing?
Not by having one life form morph into a different life form over
>Thus the unanswered question asked of friend james remains very much on the
>table as follows:
>>>> > >Long ago observation finds living things in abundance of many
>>>>kinds. When >we compare them with existing living things an
>>>>interesting observation >occurs. > >*None* of those ancient life forms
>>>>now exist. *None* of those of today >are found in that ancient time.
>
>So, how do we account for the huge gap in the kinds and forms we observe in
>God's creation revelation? How did living things of kinds and forms change
>from those no longer existing to those now existing?
millions of years.
See the results of the fruit fly experiments. They were exposed to
radiation and thus mutated. None of them ever turned into something
else. They always remained flies. And mutations are more harmful than
beneficial. Even the mutated ones eventually produced non mutated
flies. Thus the essense of the forces try to keep the original life
form intact.
Sincerely James
Shootings out of control
servant
Jul 15, 2022, 12:39:02 PM7/15/22
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>>>>>>Friend james goes off in all directions when he is unable to plugin a
>>>>>>rotely learned jw vatican answer to many questions/observations. Thus it
>>>>>>is for the question of the subject alone we are interested, not another
>>>>>>question possibly related to those plug in responses.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Let's give him another chance. Observing God's creation, a 2nd revelation
>>>>>>along with scripture, provides info about the history of living things
>>>>>>going back millions of years.
>>>>>
>>>>Friend james has ahunch:
>>>>
>>Friend james tries in one stroke to address the question by asserting a
>>diffference in time depths for the question. Because there are two
>>revelations from God, His creation and scripture; we can attempt a test
>>base on what is observed in God's creation for friend james claim.
>>
>>He says it is only "thousands of years" of time depth, not the
>>millions/billions mentioned to observe changes in kinds and forms of
>>living things.
>>
>>The basic time depth for the universe can be observed by the disstance of
>>objects from the earth. The light content of a star for example tells us
>>the distance from it. That distance is measured in years.
>
>You are barking up the wrong tree. The earth and the universe are
>billions of years old. But the biology is only thousands. The Bible
>gives Adam's creation at about 6 or 7 thousand years ago. I believe it
>to be 4026 B.C. The animals thousands before that.
>
Hmmm, the jw vatican does not follow the24 hour "day". " ; thousands of
years are involved instead in the above info.
Obviously it is not including the revelation of His creation based on
observing it directly. Life of with a form of bacteria is observed at 2
plus billion years. Thus the question, what is the explanation for the
first multi cell living things on land at 400 million years? How o we
account for the vast biological change of kind/form in that multi-million
year gap?
>After you quit laughing, note that all large civilizations have been
>around for only about 6000 years: Egypt, Babylon, Greece, Rome, etc.
humans. Complex cultures you mention, and others, are not the observed
beginning for humans in God's revelation. Humans first appear in very much
less complex band cultures such as hunter and gatherers in africa.
If we speak of biologically modern humans,ie. homo sapiens and not
including any pre-modern homo species example, then the time depth is some
200 thousand years.
If we include the proceeding homo erectus who first had tools and fire like
homo sapiens; then the time depth is at least some 1, if not 2 million
years. Additionally, both homo species first are observed in God's
revelation in africa.
So even if friend james wants to limit the observed revelation to
modern,ie. homo sapians; then 200 million years is far older then those
time depths friend james provides ala the jw vatican.
zeb...@windstream.net
Jul 15, 2022, 7:49:35 PM7/15/22
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On 15 Jul 2022 16:39:00 GMT, servant wrote:
>
>>>>>>>Friend james goes off in all directions when he is unable to plugin a
>>>>>>>rotely learned jw vatican answer to many questions/observations. Thus it
>>>>>>>is for the question of the subject alone we are interested, not another
>>>>>>>question possibly related to those plug in responses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Let's give him another chance. Observing God's creation, a 2nd revelation
>>>>>>>along with scripture, provides info about the history of living things
>>>>>>>going back millions of years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Friend james has ahunch:
>>>>>
>>>Friend james tries in one stroke to address the question by asserting a
>>>diffference in time depths for the question. Because there are two
>>>revelations from God, His creation and scripture; we can attempt a test
>>>base on what is observed in God's creation for friend james claim.
>>>
>>>He says it is only "thousands of years" of time depth, not the
>>>millions/billions mentioned to observe changes in kinds and forms of
>>>living things.
>>>
>>>The basic time depth for the universe can be observed by the disstance of
>>>objects from the earth. The light content of a star for example tells us
>>>the distance from it. That distance is measured in years.
>>
>Friend james plugs in the current jw vatican theory:
That is basically just my knowledge. I am sure that the JW
>
>>>>>>>Friend james goes off in all directions when he is unable to plugin a
>>>>>>>rotely learned jw vatican answer to many questions/observations. Thus it
>>>>>>>is for the question of the subject alone we are interested, not another
>>>>>>>question possibly related to those plug in responses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Let's give him another chance. Observing God's creation, a 2nd revelation
>>>>>>>along with scripture, provides info about the history of living things
>>>>>>>going back millions of years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Friend james has ahunch:
>>>>>
>>>Friend james tries in one stroke to address the question by asserting a
>>>diffference in time depths for the question. Because there are two
>>>revelations from God, His creation and scripture; we can attempt a test
>>>base on what is observed in God's creation for friend james claim.
>>>
>>>He says it is only "thousands of years" of time depth, not the
>>>millions/billions mentioned to observe changes in kinds and forms of
>>>living things.
>>>
>>>The basic time depth for the universe can be observed by the disstance of
>>>objects from the earth. The light content of a star for example tells us
>>>the distance from it. That distance is measured in years.
>>
>Friend james plugs in the current jw vatican theory:
headquarters goes into more detail.
>
>>You are barking up the wrong tree. The earth and the universe are
>>billions of years old. But the biology is only thousands. The Bible
>>gives Adam's creation at about 6 or 7 thousand years ago. I believe it
>>to be 4026 B.C. The animals thousands before that.
>>
>Smile, God's revelation in His creation refutes the jw vatican plug in.
>Hmmm, the jw vatican does not follow the24 hour "day". " ; thousands of
>years are involved instead in the above info.
>
>Obviously it is not including the revelation of His creation based on
>observing it directly. Life of with a form of bacteria is observed at 2
>plus billion years. Thus the question, what is the explanation for the
>first multi cell living things on land at 400 million years? How o we
>account for the vast biological change of kind/form in that multi-million
>year gap?
pushed up and land masses churned up, etc. That one reason why the
dating is so far off.
Also, the fossil record usually shows full and complete life forms. No
transitional life forms, since the life form always remained as it
was. Dogs remained dogs, and cats remained cats.
>
>>After you quit laughing, note that all large civilizations have been
>>around for only about 6000 years: Egypt, Babylon, Greece, Rome, etc.
>
>Above friend james evokes the observed record in god's revelation for
>humans. Complex cultures you mention, and others, are not the observed
>beginning for humans in God's revelation. Humans first appear in very much
>less complex band cultures such as hunter and gatherers in africa.
language.
Also, answer me this: why are languages more complex the farther back
we go?
Even many years ago, anthropologist Ashley Montagu said that so-called
primitive languages:
“are often a great deal more complex and more efficient than the
languages of the so-called higher civilizations.”" (Man: His First
Million Years, by Ashley Montagu)
*above information taken from the book: "Life-- How did it get here?
By evolution or by creation?"
>
>If we speak of biologically modern humans,ie. homo sapiens and not
>including any pre-modern homo species example, then the time depth is some
>200 thousand years.
>
>If we include the proceeding homo erectus who first had tools and fire like
>homo sapiens; then the time depth is at least some 1, if not 2 million
>years. Additionally, both homo species first are observed in God's
>revelation in africa.
full language (probably ancient Hebrew), and even recited poetry:
Gen 2:23:
23 Then the man said:
“This is at last bone of my bones
And flesh of my flesh.
This one will be called Woman,
Because from man she was taken.”
>
>So even if friend james wants to limit the observed revelation to
>modern,ie. homo sapians; then 200 million years is far older then those
>time depths friend james provides ala the jw vatican.
zeb...@windstream.net
Jul 15, 2022, 8:53:48 PM7/15/22
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>
>I said not the EXACT one we have today. There are serial rapists and
>murderers, and insane people, and violent ones, and all kinds.
>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>And many people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>get their morals from Satan, instead of from God's word, the Bible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>What determines how we use our free will?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hopefully God acts to ensure all our choices have a good outcome.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>After God destroys the wicked, who make things difficult for righteous
>>>>>>>>>ones, all our actions will have a good outcome.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Until we breed more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That makes no difference. The wicked ones will be gone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The wicked ones were gone after the Noah genocide.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wouldn't you want someone to take care of 10,000 Hitlers running
>>>>>around? The original occupants of the earth were just wicked all the
>>>>>time.
>>>>
>>>>I thought you said the original occupants of the earth were perfect.
>>>
>>>Let me clarify that. By "original" I meant "first" ones after Adam and
>>>Eve, who at first were perfect.
>>
>>Perfect things don't become imperfect unless God intervened.
>
>Good point. Actually Adam intervened and brought the woes on mankind.
>But God had to have programmed Adam to receive his punishment if he
>disobeyed God.
>
>>
>>>>>>>>The only way God can fix all the problems is by amending and revising
>>>>>>>>our design.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God will remove all of Adam's genetic errors passed on to us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why did God create Adam with genetic errors?
>>>>>
>>>>>According to 2 Sam 22:31, that's impossible:
>>>>
>>>>According to you Adam having errors is possible.
>>>
>>>See 2 Sam 22:31 directly below.
>>
>>>>>>>God will remove all of Adam's genetic errors passed on to us.
>>
>>>>>(2 Samuel 22:31) The way of the true God is perfect; The saying of
>>>>>Jehovah is refined. He is a shield to all those taking refuge in him.
>>
>>Refuge from what?
From Satan.
>Good point. Actually Adam intervened and brought the woes on mankind.
>But God had to have programmed Adam to receive his punishment if he
>disobeyed God.
>
>>
>>>>>>>>The only way God can fix all the problems is by amending and revising
>>>>>>>>our design.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God will remove all of Adam's genetic errors passed on to us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why did God create Adam with genetic errors?
>>>>>
>>>>>According to 2 Sam 22:31, that's impossible:
>>>>
>>>>According to you Adam having errors is possible.
>>>
>>>See 2 Sam 22:31 directly below.
>>
>>>>>>>God will remove all of Adam's genetic errors passed on to us.
>>
>>>>>(2 Samuel 22:31) The way of the true God is perfect; The saying of
>>>>>Jehovah is refined. He is a shield to all those taking refuge in him.
>>
>>Refuge from what?
Lucifer
Jul 18, 2022, 1:23:00 AM7/18/22
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zeb...@windstream.net
Jul 20, 2022, 11:05:20 AM7/20/22
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 15:22:56 +1000, Lucifer
There is, and it does happen. (1 John 4:8)
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>That is why it is moot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I missed your answer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>He can do both if He wants to. Like it is said, "God can do anything".
>>>>>>>>>>>>(within His righteous standards) But His original designs were
>>>>>>>>>>>>perfect, so He wouldn't be revising there. (free will and all)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Why did you freely choose to have panic attacks?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The same reason you choose to be depressed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What do we base our choices on?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>lies.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does God give us all the information we need to always make
>>>>>good choices?
>>>>
>>>>Yes. He has given us the Bible.
>>>
>>>Then all our choices are good.
>>
>>Only if we FOLLOW the Bible.
>
>Do people who have never heard of the bible have all the information
>they need to always make good choices?
They follow their conscience. If they haven't seared it, it can guide
them through most things.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>Before you said God can't amend his perfect design but he can
>>>>>>>>>>>revise his design. See earlier in this post for the reference.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>God COULD amend and revise any of his designs, even though they are
>>>>>>>>>>perfect. If He wanted to give humans 3 arms and 3 legs, they would
>>>>>>>>>>still be perfect, just with more appendages. I don't see why you can't
>>>>>>>>>>understand it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You try to confuse me by saying one thing then later denying it.
>>>>>>>>>The proof is in this post.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>To be fair, just QUOTE the point in question, and then QUOTE my other
>>>>>>>>comment. Then we can see what is going on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>><quote>
>>>>>>>>>His design is perfect, it can't be improved. But it can be revised
>>>>>>>>>many times.
>>>>>>></quote>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Like you say it can't be improved by the original creative act. But
>>>>>>since Adam CHANGED THINGS, God can correct those errors. (revise it
>>>>>>back to the way it's supposed to be.)
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did God create Adam with errors?
>>>>
>>>>Answered that already mucho times.
>>>
>>>You said you don't know why God does stupid things.
>>
>>You said 2 times 2 = 9.
>
>You said you don't know why God does stupid things.
Lying can get you into trouble.
Punishment for wrongdoing is never enjoyable.
>
>>>>>>You are blaming God for Adam's sin.
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course! God designed Adam to sin.
>>>>
>>>>Then Adam was a robot. Really? What happened to free will?
>>>
>>>Adam did not choose to pass faulty genes on to us.
>>
>>Adam did choose to disobey God, and get all the repercussions of such.
>>He made a universal mistake.
>
>You said God making Adam that way was not an error.
Lying can get you into trouble.
>
>>>You did not choose to have panic attacks.
>>
>>Random chance is at work in my brain. The drugs keep it in check.
>
>You said you don't know why God made your brain that way.
Lying can get you into trouble.
Adam was responsible for its imperfection.
>
>>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>>problems as other mammals?
>>
>>Do you have problems salivating? Do you have an urge to make dams out
>>of small streams? Do you want to hop everywhere you go? Do you roar
>>when you are upset? Do you have a taste for raw rats and mice?
>>If so, yes you are just like other mammals.
>
>I was wondering why God created us as just another mammal with the
>same problems as other mammals.
>You would expect that from a natural process but not from God.
God's wisdom is much higher than yours.
>
>>Talk to the males who reproduce with underage girls. (hopefully they
>>are arrested) They don't give birth if they don't mate. Again, you can
>>blame Adam. Our original father was a bad guy.
>
>God is our original father, right?
Are original human father was Adam. Our spiritual Father is Jehovah.
>
>I was wondering why God designed us mammals so the female can
>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
Most all your "God" create questions don't apply to now, since Adam's
blunder.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>And the farther our body gets away
>>>>>>>>>>>>from Adam and Eve, the more corrupt it gets.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And you say that is not an error?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Yes it's an error that Adam brought to us.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You said God doesn't make errors yet now you say God made an
>>>>>>>>>error with Adam.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It's no error. How Adam was constructed was God's righteous way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No errors with Adam in the beginning. Same with the angel Satan. (and
>>>>>>his demon subordinate friends)
>>>>>
>>>>>God creating Adam with errors and an angel that became Satan
>>>>>was not an error?
>>>>
>>>>Absolutely not. The responsibility lies with the free will beings, not
>>>>their Creator.
>>>
>>>Are you responsible for giving yourself panic attacks?
>>
>>Yes, if I go to places that triggers it. By staying away from such
>>places, and staying medicated, I can live a fairly normal life.
>
>Is it safe for you to defy God that way?
Is it safe for you to downgrade God most of the time?
>
>>>>>>>>>>But God will soon eliminate all the errors caused by Adam.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Does God put us through all the suffering so He could show us
>>>>>>>>>His power?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A lot of the suffering is by man himself. A teen takes LSD and jumps
>>>>>>>>out of a tall building. A drunk with his whole family crashes his car.
>>>>>>>>A country declares war on another country. A cruel dictator rules a
>>>>>>>>nation, etc, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Does God cause those things so He can show us His power?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Has He shown His power to you? No? Then you might need to rephrase
>>>>>>your question.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does God do terrible things so He can save us from Himself?
>>>>
>>>>Have you been saved from God? No? Then you need to rephrase your
>>>>question.
>>>
>>>Could you please answer my question first?
>>
>>Sure, NO! Now please rephrase.
>
>What is the reason God does terrible things?
"Terrible" is a subjective word based on the user.
I am not crazy.
>
>>>>>>But God will correct our errors in spite of ourselves.
>>>>>
>>>>>You say God will go against His own original design?
>>>>
>>>>Not against, but will resort BACK to it soon.
>>>
>>>No wonder you are depressed.
>>
>>I am quite content. It is you who are depressed.
>
>I should be given the way God abuses us.
>Like you I am fighting back.
If God was going to abuse you, you would know it.
Alright.
The future news, yes!
Lying can get you into trouble.
Only in your mind.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>But Adam did, and we are his genetic offspring.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Why did God want Adam to be that way?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You said it, God didn't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did God want Adam to be able to corrupt himself?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nowhere does the Bible say that.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said it!
>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>>>
>>>>Nowhere does the Bible say GOD WANTED ADAM to be able to corrupt
>>>>himself. That is not what God wanted.
>>>
>>>You said it!
>>
>>Where?
>
>4 lines above. You wrote,
>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
But it doesn't say God wanted that.
>
>>>>God created the earth, and
>>>>animals, planted a garden, put humans in it, ALL FOR NOTHING?
>>>
>>>Colossians 1:16
>>>For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth,
>>>visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or
>>>authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
>>
>>Yes, Jesus was the recipient of all those things.
>
>God created everything FOR HIMSELF.
Negatrons. For His Son, Jesus:
"all things have been created through him and for him."
>
Jesus turned out great. And God designed his perfect brain. The rest
of us have a corrupted brain, but not so bad that we can't control it.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And many people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>get their morals from Satan, instead of from God's word, the Bible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>What determines how we use our free will?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>You do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Hopefully God acts to ensure all our choices have a good outcome.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>After God destroys the wicked, who make things difficult for righteous
>>>>>>>>>>ones, all our actions will have a good outcome.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Until we breed more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That makes no difference. The wicked ones will be gone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The wicked ones were gone after the Noah genocide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wouldn't you want someone to take care of 10,000 Hitlers running
>>>>>>around? The original occupants of the earth were just wicked all the
>>>>>>time.
>>>>>
>>>>>I thought you said the original occupants of the earth were perfect.
>>>>
>>>>Let me clarify that. By "original" I meant "first" ones after Adam and
>>>>Eve, who at first were perfect.
>>>
>>>Perfect things don't become imperfect unless God intervened.
>>
>>Good point. Actually Adam intervened and brought the woes on mankind.
>>But God had to have programmed Adam to receive his punishment if he
>>disobeyed God.
>
>Thus making God responsible for all our problems.
If you start that lawnmower up with no oil, it is not the
manufacture's responsibility, but the user.
>
>>>>>>>>>The only way God can fix all the problems is by amending and revising
>>>>>>>>>our design.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God will remove all of Adam's genetic errors passed on to us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did God create Adam with genetic errors?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>According to 2 Sam 22:31, that's impossible:
>>>>>
>>>>>According to you Adam having errors is possible.
>>>>
>>>>See 2 Sam 22:31 directly below.
>>>
>>>>>>>>God will remove all of Adam's genetic errors passed on to us.
>>>
>>>>>>(2 Samuel 22:31) The way of the true God is perfect; The saying of
>>>>>>Jehovah is refined. He is a shield to all those taking refuge in him.
>
>Refuge from what?
From anything spiritually harmful.
And that is why the world is so screwed up.
>
>>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>>problems as other mammals?
>>
>>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>>
>>>
>>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>
>>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>
>I was hoping you would tell me why God made Adam that way.
Why do they make lawnmowers that can burn up an engine if one starts
it up with no oil?
God gave Adam a perfect start in life. He and Eve could have lived
forever on a paradise earth, and have the whole world as their
relatives. But he threw all of that away. So here we are today.
Lying is not becoming to you.
>
>>>>>>Mankind has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
>>>>>
>>>>>We are doing much better going our own way.
>>>>>We are living longer and generally better lives.
>>>>>We even have medication to help people control
>>>>>their panic attacks.
>>>>
>>>>We have diseases that have no cures. We have pandemics that kill
>>>>millions, we have wars that kill millions, we have starvation that
>>>>kills millions, we have air pollution that affects millions, we have
>>>>polluted water that affects millions, we have upset nature's balance
>>>>of insects causing crop damage in the millions, etc, etc, etc.
>>>
>>>Why does God do such terrible things?
>>
>>If the Creator of all matter wanted to do terrible things to us, you
>>would know it; that is, if you survived.
>
>We do know it.
God could make every atom in your body ache and do things the Devil
would only dream of doing. No, God is not causing you harm. The Devil
looks to us like we look at roaches. Disgusting and deserved to be
stepped on.
I didn't say the great suffering was part of the giver of everything.
They are two separate and distinct things.
Lying should be avoided at all costs.
Where do you get these lies?
Actually, am I aware of NO suffering?
If I was critical of God you would know it.
>
>>>>>>>>Also, that's not a correct comparison. The laws of physics are
>>>>>>>>perfect. They are what keeps a car running, your house from caving
>>>>>>>>in, your refrigerator keeping your food from spoiling, your ability to
>>>>>>>>can foods, letting a spaceship travel to the moon, etc, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>People's brains on drugs and excessive alcohol is what can cause car
>>>>>>>>crashes. It has nothing to do with the original design. A teen going
>>>>>>>>100 mph in a residential zone can also cause all kinds of detriments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>...NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>>>>>
>>>>>Our brain makes us do the crazy things you complain about.
>>>>
>>>>What crazy things?
>>>
>>>Your panic attacks, etc.
>>
>>I give thanks to Adam for that little nicety.
>
>You wrote,
>"People's brains on drugs and excessive alcohol is what can cause car
>crashes. It has nothing to do with the original design. A teen going
>100 mph in a residential zone can also cause all kinds of detriments."
>
>You said God designed our brain.
How a person uses that brain, can determine how good things go. If one
immerses it in alcohol and illegal drugs, they will have to pay the
consequences.
Sincerely James
Shootings out of control
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You say God can make large changes but not small changes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't say that. So your next question is moot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>That is why it is moot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I missed your answer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Did you say God can't amend but He can revise?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>He can do both if He wants to. Like it is said, "God can do anything".
>>>>>>>>>>>>(within His righteous standards) But His original designs were
>>>>>>>>>>>>perfect, so He wouldn't be revising there. (free will and all)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Why did you freely choose to have panic attacks?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The same reason you choose to be depressed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What do we base our choices on?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>lies.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does God give us all the information we need to always make
>>>>>good choices?
>>>>
>>>>Yes. He has given us the Bible.
>>>
>>>Then all our choices are good.
>>
>>Only if we FOLLOW the Bible.
>
>Do people who have never heard of the bible have all the information
>they need to always make good choices?
them through most things.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>Before you said God can't amend his perfect design but he can
>>>>>>>>>>>revise his design. See earlier in this post for the reference.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>God COULD amend and revise any of his designs, even though they are
>>>>>>>>>>perfect. If He wanted to give humans 3 arms and 3 legs, they would
>>>>>>>>>>still be perfect, just with more appendages. I don't see why you can't
>>>>>>>>>>understand it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You try to confuse me by saying one thing then later denying it.
>>>>>>>>>The proof is in this post.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>To be fair, just QUOTE the point in question, and then QUOTE my other
>>>>>>>>comment. Then we can see what is going on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>><quote>
>>>>>>>>>His design is perfect, it can't be improved. But it can be revised
>>>>>>>>>many times.
>>>>>>></quote>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Like you say it can't be improved by the original creative act. But
>>>>>>since Adam CHANGED THINGS, God can correct those errors. (revise it
>>>>>>back to the way it's supposed to be.)
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did God create Adam with errors?
>>>>
>>>>Answered that already mucho times.
>>>
>>>You said you don't know why God does stupid things.
>>
>>You said 2 times 2 = 9.
>
>You said you don't know why God does stupid things.
>
>>>>>>You are blaming God for Adam's sin.
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course! God designed Adam to sin.
>>>>
>>>>Then Adam was a robot. Really? What happened to free will?
>>>
>>>Adam did not choose to pass faulty genes on to us.
>>
>>Adam did choose to disobey God, and get all the repercussions of such.
>>He made a universal mistake.
>
>You said God making Adam that way was not an error.
>
>>>You did not choose to have panic attacks.
>>
>>Random chance is at work in my brain. The drugs keep it in check.
>
>You said you don't know why God made your brain that way.
>
>>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>>problems as other mammals?
>>
>>Do you have problems salivating? Do you have an urge to make dams out
>>of small streams? Do you want to hop everywhere you go? Do you roar
>>when you are upset? Do you have a taste for raw rats and mice?
>>If so, yes you are just like other mammals.
>
>I was wondering why God created us as just another mammal with the
>same problems as other mammals.
>You would expect that from a natural process but not from God.
>
>>Talk to the males who reproduce with underage girls. (hopefully they
>>are arrested) They don't give birth if they don't mate. Again, you can
>>blame Adam. Our original father was a bad guy.
>
>God is our original father, right?
>
>I was wondering why God designed us mammals so the female can
>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
blunder.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>And the farther our body gets away
>>>>>>>>>>>>from Adam and Eve, the more corrupt it gets.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And you say that is not an error?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Yes it's an error that Adam brought to us.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You said God doesn't make errors yet now you say God made an
>>>>>>>>>error with Adam.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It's no error. How Adam was constructed was God's righteous way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No errors with Adam in the beginning. Same with the angel Satan. (and
>>>>>>his demon subordinate friends)
>>>>>
>>>>>God creating Adam with errors and an angel that became Satan
>>>>>was not an error?
>>>>
>>>>Absolutely not. The responsibility lies with the free will beings, not
>>>>their Creator.
>>>
>>>Are you responsible for giving yourself panic attacks?
>>
>>Yes, if I go to places that triggers it. By staying away from such
>>places, and staying medicated, I can live a fairly normal life.
>
>Is it safe for you to defy God that way?
>
>>>>>>>>>>But God will soon eliminate all the errors caused by Adam.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Does God put us through all the suffering so He could show us
>>>>>>>>>His power?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A lot of the suffering is by man himself. A teen takes LSD and jumps
>>>>>>>>out of a tall building. A drunk with his whole family crashes his car.
>>>>>>>>A country declares war on another country. A cruel dictator rules a
>>>>>>>>nation, etc, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Does God cause those things so He can show us His power?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Has He shown His power to you? No? Then you might need to rephrase
>>>>>>your question.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does God do terrible things so He can save us from Himself?
>>>>
>>>>Have you been saved from God? No? Then you need to rephrase your
>>>>question.
>>>
>>>Could you please answer my question first?
>>
>>Sure, NO! Now please rephrase.
>
>What is the reason God does terrible things?
>
>>>>>>But God will correct our errors in spite of ourselves.
>>>>>
>>>>>You say God will go against His own original design?
>>>>
>>>>Not against, but will resort BACK to it soon.
>>>
>>>No wonder you are depressed.
>>
>>I am quite content. It is you who are depressed.
>
>I should be given the way God abuses us.
>Like you I am fighting back.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>But Adam did, and we are his genetic offspring.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>God creating Adam with errors was not an error?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Why did God want Adam to be that way?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You said it, God didn't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did God want Adam to be able to corrupt himself?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nowhere does the Bible say that.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said it!
>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>>>
>>>>Nowhere does the Bible say GOD WANTED ADAM to be able to corrupt
>>>>himself. That is not what God wanted.
>>>
>>>You said it!
>>
>>Where?
>
>4 lines above. You wrote,
>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>
>>>>God created the earth, and
>>>>animals, planted a garden, put humans in it, ALL FOR NOTHING?
>>>
>>>Colossians 1:16
>>>For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth,
>>>visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or
>>>authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
>>
>>Yes, Jesus was the recipient of all those things.
>
>God created everything FOR HIMSELF.
"all things have been created through him and for him."
>
of us have a corrupted brain, but not so bad that we can't control it.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And many people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>get their morals from Satan, instead of from God's word, the Bible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>What determines how we use our free will?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>You do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Hopefully God acts to ensure all our choices have a good outcome.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>After God destroys the wicked, who make things difficult for righteous
>>>>>>>>>>ones, all our actions will have a good outcome.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Until we breed more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That makes no difference. The wicked ones will be gone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The wicked ones were gone after the Noah genocide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wouldn't you want someone to take care of 10,000 Hitlers running
>>>>>>around? The original occupants of the earth were just wicked all the
>>>>>>time.
>>>>>
>>>>>I thought you said the original occupants of the earth were perfect.
>>>>
>>>>Let me clarify that. By "original" I meant "first" ones after Adam and
>>>>Eve, who at first were perfect.
>>>
>>>Perfect things don't become imperfect unless God intervened.
>>
>>Good point. Actually Adam intervened and brought the woes on mankind.
>>But God had to have programmed Adam to receive his punishment if he
>>disobeyed God.
>
>Thus making God responsible for all our problems.
manufacture's responsibility, but the user.
>
>>>>>>>>>The only way God can fix all the problems is by amending and revising
>>>>>>>>>our design.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God will remove all of Adam's genetic errors passed on to us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did God create Adam with genetic errors?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>According to 2 Sam 22:31, that's impossible:
>>>>>
>>>>>According to you Adam having errors is possible.
>>>>
>>>>See 2 Sam 22:31 directly below.
>>>
>>>>>>>>God will remove all of Adam's genetic errors passed on to us.
>>>
>>>>>>(2 Samuel 22:31) The way of the true God is perfect; The saying of
>>>>>>Jehovah is refined. He is a shield to all those taking refuge in him.
>
>Refuge from what?
>
>>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>>problems as other mammals?
>>
>>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>>
>>>
>>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>
>>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>
>I was hoping you would tell me why God made Adam that way.
it up with no oil?
God gave Adam a perfect start in life. He and Eve could have lived
forever on a paradise earth, and have the whole world as their
relatives. But he threw all of that away. So here we are today.
>
>>>>>>Mankind has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
>>>>>
>>>>>We are doing much better going our own way.
>>>>>We are living longer and generally better lives.
>>>>>We even have medication to help people control
>>>>>their panic attacks.
>>>>
>>>>We have diseases that have no cures. We have pandemics that kill
>>>>millions, we have wars that kill millions, we have starvation that
>>>>kills millions, we have air pollution that affects millions, we have
>>>>polluted water that affects millions, we have upset nature's balance
>>>>of insects causing crop damage in the millions, etc, etc, etc.
>>>
>>>Why does God do such terrible things?
>>
>>If the Creator of all matter wanted to do terrible things to us, you
>>would know it; that is, if you survived.
>
>We do know it.
would only dream of doing. No, God is not causing you harm. The Devil
looks to us like we look at roaches. Disgusting and deserved to be
stepped on.
They are two separate and distinct things.
>
>>>>>>>>Also, that's not a correct comparison. The laws of physics are
>>>>>>>>perfect. They are what keeps a car running, your house from caving
>>>>>>>>in, your refrigerator keeping your food from spoiling, your ability to
>>>>>>>>can foods, letting a spaceship travel to the moon, etc, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>People's brains on drugs and excessive alcohol is what can cause car
>>>>>>>>crashes. It has nothing to do with the original design. A teen going
>>>>>>>>100 mph in a residential zone can also cause all kinds of detriments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>...NOT THE BRAIN WE HAVE TODAY.
>>>>>
>>>>>Our brain makes us do the crazy things you complain about.
>>>>
>>>>What crazy things?
>>>
>>>Your panic attacks, etc.
>>
>>I give thanks to Adam for that little nicety.
>
>You wrote,
>"People's brains on drugs and excessive alcohol is what can cause car
>crashes. It has nothing to do with the original design. A teen going
>100 mph in a residential zone can also cause all kinds of detriments."
>
>You said God designed our brain.
immerses it in alcohol and illegal drugs, they will have to pay the
consequences.
Sincerely James
Shootings out of control
See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org
servant
Jul 20, 2022, 4:11:17 PM7/20/22
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Dna is the newest tool to observe and test observations of biological
change over time. It can track the changes in time and where they
originated and show amount of relatedness among living things.
For example, the various cat species that now exist are shown by dna to
have a common ancestor. That ancestor no longer exists among living things
and started some 6 million years ago . Many other cat species no longer
exist either, the saber tooth tiger is a well nown example. Most cat
species are only known by the fossil history and by dna analysis. The time
period of afew thousand years can ot contain what the dna record of God's
creation reveals even for cats.
How did we get from one ancestor to several seperate cat speciess today and
many many between those points now extinct?
Using the observable evidence in God's revelation of creation, what is the
possible range of explanitory models to account for the dna record over
time?
Lucifer
Jul 21, 2022, 5:29:42 AM7/21/22
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 11:05:15 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 15:22:56 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 14:34:51 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>Would it be OK if I delete parts of this post that are no longer
>>relevant?
>>If you prefer you could delete the no longer relevant parts.
>>
>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 22:35:45 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 00:00:51 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>(1 John 4:8)
>>>>>>>>Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
What does God is love mean?
>On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 15:22:56 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 14:34:51 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>Would it be OK if I delete parts of this post that are no longer
>>relevant?
>>If you prefer you could delete the no longer relevant parts.
>>
>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 22:35:45 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 00:00:51 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>(1 John 4:8)
>>>>>>>>Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
>>>Yes, many godless people are non-loving. So are some religious people.
>>
>>That would not happen if there was a God of love.
>
>There is, and it does happen. (1 John 4:8)
>>Do people who have never heard of the bible have all the information
>>they need to always make good choices?
>
>They follow their conscience. If they haven't seared it, it can guide
>them through most things.
>>You said you don't know why God does stupid things.
>
>Lying can get you into trouble.
>>>>In Genesis God says I will as He downgraded us.
>>>
>>>Scripture please.
>>
>>Genesis
>>16 To the woman he said,
>>
>>“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
>> with painful labor you will give birth to children.
>>Your desire will be for your husband,
>> and he will rule over you.”
>
>Punishment for wrongdoing is never enjoyable.
"I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
God does Not say,
"Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>>>>>>>You are blaming God for Adam's sin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Of course! God designed Adam to sin.
>>>>>
>>>>>Then Adam was a robot. Really? What happened to free will?
>>>>
>>>>Adam did not choose to pass faulty genes on to us.
>>>
>>>Adam did choose to disobey God, and get all the repercussions of such.
>>>He made a universal mistake.
>>
>>You said God making Adam that way was not an error.
>>
>>>>You did not choose to have panic attacks.
>>>
>>>Random chance is at work in my brain. The drugs keep it in check.
>>
>>You said you don't know why God made your brain that way.
>
>>>>Why did God give us a brain which causes panic attacks,
>>>
>>>Random chance is at work in my brain. The drugs keep it in check.
>>
>>You said you don't know why God made your brain that way.
>
>>>>depression, homosexuality, murderous rampages, and control
>>>>freaks?
>>>
>>>Ask Adam. He caused ALL of such things.
>>
>>You said humans are not capable of designing our brain.
>
>Adam was responsible for its imperfection.
Why did God give Adam that ability?
>>>>freaks?
>>>
>>>Ask Adam. He caused ALL of such things.
>>
>>You said humans are not capable of designing our brain.
>
>Adam was responsible for its imperfection.
>>I was wondering why God created us as just another mammal with the
>>same problems as other mammals.
>>You would expect that from a natural process but not from God.
>
>God's wisdom is much higher than yours.
>>>Talk to the males who reproduce with underage girls. (hopefully they
>>>are arrested) They don't give birth if they don't mate. Again, you can
>>>blame Adam. Our original father was a bad guy.
>>
>>God is our original father, right?
>
>Are original human father was Adam. Our spiritual Father is Jehovah.
>>I was wondering why God designed us mammals so the female can
>>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>
>Most all your "God" create questions don't apply to now, since Adam's
>blunder.
>>>>You are using your free will to thwart God.
>>>
>>>On the contrary, I use my free will to draw closer to my God.
>>
>>If that was true you would welcome your panic attacks.
>
>I am not crazy.
You should welcome God's special brain disorder.
>>>>>Nowhere does the Bible say GOD WANTED ADAM to be able to corrupt
>>>>>himself. That is not what God wanted.
>>>>
>>>>You said it!
>>>
>>>Where?
>>
>>4 lines above. You wrote,
>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>
>But it doesn't say God wanted that.
"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>God must have reasons for designing our brain that way.
>
>Jesus turned out great.
>
>And God designed his perfect brain.
>
>The rest
>of us have a corrupted brain, but not so bad that we can't control it.
Why did God not make us all like Jesus?
>
>Jesus turned out great.
>
>And God designed his perfect brain.
>
>The rest
>of us have a corrupted brain, but not so bad that we can't control it.
>>>disobeyed God.
>>
>>Thus making God responsible for all our problems.
>
>If you start that lawnmower up with no oil, it is not the
>manufacture's responsibility, but the user.
>>>>>>>(2 Samuel 22:31) The way of the true God is perfect; The saying of
>>>>>>>Jehovah is refined. He is a shield to all those taking refuge in him.
>>
>>Refuge from what?
>
>From anything spiritually harmful.
>>Adam's defiance did allow us to rise above our God given instincts.
>
>And that is why the world is so screwed up.
We even have medicine to control panic attacks.
>>>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>>>problems as other mammals?
>>>
>>>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>>
>>>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>>
>>I was hoping you would tell me why God made Adam that way.
>
>Why do they make lawnmowers that can burn up an engine if one starts
>it up with no oil?
I was hoping you would tell me why God made Adam that way.
>God gave Adam a perfect start in life. He and Eve could have lived
>forever on a paradise earth, and have the whole world as their
>relatives. But he threw all of that away. So here we are today.
>forever on a paradise earth, and have the whole world as their
>relatives. But he threw all of that away. So here we are today.
Why did God do such a terrible thing?
>>>If the Creator of all matter wanted to do terrible things to us, you
>>>would know it; that is, if you survived.
>>
>>We do know it.
>
>God could make every atom in your body ache and do things the Devil
>would only dream of doing. No, God is not causing you harm.
God is causing you harm with panic attacks.
>>>would know it; that is, if you survived.
>>
>>We do know it.
>
>God could make every atom in your body ache and do things the Devil
>would only dream of doing. No, God is not causing you harm.
>The Devil
>looks to us like we look at roaches. Disgusting and deserved to be
>stepped on.
>>Is it safe for you to be so critical of God?
>
>If I was critical of God you would know it.
>>You said God designed our brain.
>
>How a person uses that brain, can determine how good things go.
>If one
>immerses it in alcohol and illegal drugs, they will have to pay the
>consequences.
>Sincerely James
zeb...@windstream.net
Jul 21, 2022, 7:26:05 AM7/21/22
to
On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 19:29:37 +1000, Lucifer
best for them. That is why when these issues are resolved, He will do
so. (see Rev 21:3,4)
>
>>>>Yes, many godless people are non-loving. So are some religious people.
>>>
>>>That would not happen if there was a God of love.
>>
>>There is, and it does happen. (1 John 4:8)
>
>Obviously there is no God of love.
Satan has sewn your eyelids shut. Remove the threads, and see the
salvation of Jehovah to come.
>
>>>Do people who have never heard of the bible have all the information
>>>they need to always make good choices?
>>
>>They follow their conscience. If they haven't seared it, it can guide
>>them through most things.
>
>Why does God want us to sear our conscience?
Why do you make up lies so much?
>
>>>You said you don't know why God does stupid things.
>>
>>Lying can get you into trouble.
>
>Do you know why God does stupid things?
Apply that to yourself.
>
>>>>>In Genesis God says I will as He downgraded us.
>>>>
>>>>Scripture please.
>>>
>>>Genesis
>>>16 To the woman he said,
>>>
>>>“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
>>> with painful labor you will give birth to children.
>>>Your desire will be for your husband,
>>> and he will rule over you.”
>>
>>Punishment for wrongdoing is never enjoyable.
>
>Notice God says,
>"I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>God does Not say,
>"Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
God designed humans for certain duties. The woman is to give birth and
raise the children. The husband is to take the lead spiritually, and
earn a living for the household.
>
>>>>>>>>You are blaming God for Adam's sin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Of course! God designed Adam to sin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Then Adam was a robot. Really? What happened to free will?
>>>>>
>>>>>Adam did not choose to pass faulty genes on to us.
>>>>
>>>>Adam did choose to disobey God, and get all the repercussions of such.
>>>>He made a universal mistake.
>>>
>>>You said God making Adam that way was not an error.
>>>
>>>>>You did not choose to have panic attacks.
>>>>
>>>>Random chance is at work in my brain. The drugs keep it in check.
>>>
>>>You said you don't know why God made your brain that way.
>>
>>>>>Why did God give us a brain which causes panic attacks,
>>>>>depression, homosexuality, murderous rampages, and control
>>>>>freaks?
>>>>
>>>>Ask Adam. He caused ALL of such things.
>>>
>>>You said humans are not capable of designing our brain.
>>
>>Adam was responsible for its imperfection.
>
>Why did God give Adam that ability?
Because He is a God of justice.
>
>>>I was wondering why God created us as just another mammal with the
>>>same problems as other mammals.
>>>You would expect that from a natural process but not from God.
>>
>>God's wisdom is much higher than yours.
>
>What makes you think that?
Can you control the cosmos?Can you create from nothing millions of
life forms? Can you remove death? No? Then your wisdom is much, much,
much lower than God's.
>
>>>>Talk to the males who reproduce with underage girls. (hopefully they
>>>>are arrested) They don't give birth if they don't mate. Again, you can
>>>>blame Adam. Our original father was a bad guy.
>>>
>>>God is our original father, right?
>>
>>Are original human father was Adam. Our spiritual Father is Jehovah.
>
>God is the father of us all.
And the secondary father of us all was the rebel Adam.
>
>>>I was wondering why God designed us mammals so the female can
>>>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>
>>Most all your "God" create questions don't apply to now, since Adam's
>>blunder.
>
>That's not true.
I only speak the truth as I know it.
>
>>>>>You are using your free will to thwart God.
>>>>
>>>>On the contrary, I use my free will to draw closer to my God.
>>>
>>>If that was true you would welcome your panic attacks.
>>
>>I am not crazy.
>
>Are you sure?
Hmmmmm. Maybe you are right.
>You should welcome God's special brain disorder.
You mean Satan's. No thanks.
>
>>>>>>Nowhere does the Bible say GOD WANTED ADAM to be able to corrupt
>>>>>>himself. That is not what God wanted.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said it!
>>>>
>>>>Where?
>>>
>>>4 lines above. You wrote,
>>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>
>>But it doesn't say God wanted that.
>
>You said,
>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
That's exactly what happened. Maybe you are finally getting it.
>
>>>God must have reasons for designing our brain that way.
>>
>>Jesus turned out great.
>>
>>And God designed his perfect brain.
>>
>>The rest
>>of us have a corrupted brain, but not so bad that we can't control it.
>
>Why did God not make us all like Jesus?
In the beginning, He did! Adam and Eve were perfect, just like Jesus.
Jesus also had free will, but he didn't misuse it like Adam did.
>
>>>>disobeyed God.
>>>
>>>Thus making God responsible for all our problems.
>>
>>If you start that lawnmower up with no oil, it is not the
>>manufacture's responsibility, but the user.
>
>God created the user.
But with a free will.
>
>>>>>>>>(2 Samuel 22:31) The way of the true God is perfect; The saying of
>>>>>>>>Jehovah is refined. He is a shield to all those taking refuge in him.
>>>
>>>Refuge from what?
>>
>>From anything spiritually harmful.
>
>Did God create spiritually harmful things?
Absolutely not. Those things are generated by the Devil and all his
accomplices.
>
>>>Adam's defiance did allow us to rise above our God given instincts.
>>
>>And that is why the world is so screwed up.
>
>We are doing so much better than when we relied on God.
Oh really? Do all humans on this planet have plenty to eat? Do all
humans live in a paradise? Do all of those who want mates, have them?
Are all humans 100% healthy? Do all humans have enjoyable work?
Those were the things Adam and Eve were 'born' into.
>We even have medicine to control panic attacks.
It doesn't work the same for everyone. For many, if you take it a long
time, it no longer has any effect.
>
>>>>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>>>>problems as other mammals?
>>>>
>>>>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>>>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>>>
>>>>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>>>
>>>I was hoping you would tell me why God made Adam that way.
>>
>>Why do they make lawnmowers that can burn up an engine if one starts
>>it up with no oil?
>
>Can we get back to that?
>I was hoping you would tell me why God made Adam that way.
Please be specific.
>
>>God gave Adam a perfect start in life. He and Eve could have lived
>>forever on a paradise earth, and have the whole world as their
>>relatives. But he threw all of that away. So here we are today.
>
>Why did God do such a terrible thing?
If God wanted to do something terrible, you would know it.
>
>>>>If the Creator of all matter wanted to do terrible things to us, you
>>>>would know it; that is, if you survived.
>>>
>>>We do know it.
>>
>>God could make every atom in your body ache and do things the Devil
>>would only dream of doing. No, God is not causing you harm.
>
>God is causing you harm with panic attacks.
I give Adam 100% credit for my panic attacks.
>
>>The Devil
>>looks to us like we look at roaches. Disgusting and deserved to be
>>stepped on.
>
>Replace The Devil with God.
That will soon happen, when God throws the Devil into the symbolic
lake of fire.
>
>>>Is it safe for you to be so critical of God?
>>
>>If I was critical of God you would know it.
>
>I do know it.
You may think you do.
>
>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>
>>How a person uses that brain, can determine how good things go.
>
>Our brain determines how we use our brain.
>
Sounds logical.
>>If one
>>immerses it in alcohol and illegal drugs, they will have to pay the
>>consequences.
>
>Why did God design our brain such that it is affected by drugs?
It even produces its own drugs call endorphins. (which is stronger
than heroin)
<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 11:05:15 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 15:22:56 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 14:34:51 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>Would it be OK if I delete parts of this post that are no longer
>>>relevant?
>>>If you prefer you could delete the no longer relevant parts.
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 22:35:45 +1000, Lucifer
>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 00:00:51 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>(1 John 4:8)
>>>>>>>>>Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
>
>What does God is love mean?
It means he cares about each person individually, and only wants the
>On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 11:05:15 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 15:22:56 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 14:34:51 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>Would it be OK if I delete parts of this post that are no longer
>>>relevant?
>>>If you prefer you could delete the no longer relevant parts.
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 22:35:45 +1000, Lucifer
>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 00:00:51 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>(1 John 4:8)
>>>>>>>>>Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
>
>What does God is love mean?
best for them. That is why when these issues are resolved, He will do
so. (see Rev 21:3,4)
>
>>>>Yes, many godless people are non-loving. So are some religious people.
>>>
>>>That would not happen if there was a God of love.
>>
>>There is, and it does happen. (1 John 4:8)
>
>Obviously there is no God of love.
salvation of Jehovah to come.
>
>>>Do people who have never heard of the bible have all the information
>>>they need to always make good choices?
>>
>>They follow their conscience. If they haven't seared it, it can guide
>>them through most things.
>
>Why does God want us to sear our conscience?
>
>>>You said you don't know why God does stupid things.
>>
>>Lying can get you into trouble.
>
>Do you know why God does stupid things?
>
>>>>>In Genesis God says I will as He downgraded us.
>>>>
>>>>Scripture please.
>>>
>>>Genesis
>>>16 To the woman he said,
>>>
>>>“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
>>> with painful labor you will give birth to children.
>>>Your desire will be for your husband,
>>> and he will rule over you.”
>>
>>Punishment for wrongdoing is never enjoyable.
>
>Notice God says,
>"I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>God does Not say,
>"Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
raise the children. The husband is to take the lead spiritually, and
earn a living for the household.
>
>>>>>>>>You are blaming God for Adam's sin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Of course! God designed Adam to sin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Then Adam was a robot. Really? What happened to free will?
>>>>>
>>>>>Adam did not choose to pass faulty genes on to us.
>>>>
>>>>Adam did choose to disobey God, and get all the repercussions of such.
>>>>He made a universal mistake.
>>>
>>>You said God making Adam that way was not an error.
>>>
>>>>>You did not choose to have panic attacks.
>>>>
>>>>Random chance is at work in my brain. The drugs keep it in check.
>>>
>>>You said you don't know why God made your brain that way.
>>
>>>>>Why did God give us a brain which causes panic attacks,
>>>>>depression, homosexuality, murderous rampages, and control
>>>>>freaks?
>>>>
>>>>Ask Adam. He caused ALL of such things.
>>>
>>>You said humans are not capable of designing our brain.
>>
>>Adam was responsible for its imperfection.
>
>Why did God give Adam that ability?
>
>>>I was wondering why God created us as just another mammal with the
>>>same problems as other mammals.
>>>You would expect that from a natural process but not from God.
>>
>>God's wisdom is much higher than yours.
>
>What makes you think that?
life forms? Can you remove death? No? Then your wisdom is much, much,
much lower than God's.
>
>>>>Talk to the males who reproduce with underage girls. (hopefully they
>>>>are arrested) They don't give birth if they don't mate. Again, you can
>>>>blame Adam. Our original father was a bad guy.
>>>
>>>God is our original father, right?
>>
>>Are original human father was Adam. Our spiritual Father is Jehovah.
>
>God is the father of us all.
>
>>>I was wondering why God designed us mammals so the female can
>>>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>
>>Most all your "God" create questions don't apply to now, since Adam's
>>blunder.
>
>That's not true.
>
>>>>>You are using your free will to thwart God.
>>>>
>>>>On the contrary, I use my free will to draw closer to my God.
>>>
>>>If that was true you would welcome your panic attacks.
>>
>>I am not crazy.
>
>Are you sure?
>You should welcome God's special brain disorder.
>
>>>>>>Nowhere does the Bible say GOD WANTED ADAM to be able to corrupt
>>>>>>himself. That is not what God wanted.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said it!
>>>>
>>>>Where?
>>>
>>>4 lines above. You wrote,
>>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>
>>But it doesn't say God wanted that.
>
>You said,
>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>
>>>God must have reasons for designing our brain that way.
>>
>>Jesus turned out great.
>>
>>And God designed his perfect brain.
>>
>>The rest
>>of us have a corrupted brain, but not so bad that we can't control it.
>
>Why did God not make us all like Jesus?
Jesus also had free will, but he didn't misuse it like Adam did.
>
>>>>disobeyed God.
>>>
>>>Thus making God responsible for all our problems.
>>
>>If you start that lawnmower up with no oil, it is not the
>>manufacture's responsibility, but the user.
>
>God created the user.
>
>>>>>>>>(2 Samuel 22:31) The way of the true God is perfect; The saying of
>>>>>>>>Jehovah is refined. He is a shield to all those taking refuge in him.
>>>
>>>Refuge from what?
>>
>>From anything spiritually harmful.
>
>Did God create spiritually harmful things?
accomplices.
>
>>>Adam's defiance did allow us to rise above our God given instincts.
>>
>>And that is why the world is so screwed up.
>
>We are doing so much better than when we relied on God.
humans live in a paradise? Do all of those who want mates, have them?
Are all humans 100% healthy? Do all humans have enjoyable work?
Those were the things Adam and Eve were 'born' into.
>We even have medicine to control panic attacks.
time, it no longer has any effect.
>
>>>>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>>>>problems as other mammals?
>>>>
>>>>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>>>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>>>
>>>>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>>>
>>>I was hoping you would tell me why God made Adam that way.
>>
>>Why do they make lawnmowers that can burn up an engine if one starts
>>it up with no oil?
>
>Can we get back to that?
>I was hoping you would tell me why God made Adam that way.
>
>>God gave Adam a perfect start in life. He and Eve could have lived
>>forever on a paradise earth, and have the whole world as their
>>relatives. But he threw all of that away. So here we are today.
>
>Why did God do such a terrible thing?
>
>>>>If the Creator of all matter wanted to do terrible things to us, you
>>>>would know it; that is, if you survived.
>>>
>>>We do know it.
>>
>>God could make every atom in your body ache and do things the Devil
>>would only dream of doing. No, God is not causing you harm.
>
>God is causing you harm with panic attacks.
>
>>The Devil
>>looks to us like we look at roaches. Disgusting and deserved to be
>>stepped on.
>
>Replace The Devil with God.
lake of fire.
>
>>>Is it safe for you to be so critical of God?
>>
>>If I was critical of God you would know it.
>
>I do know it.
>
>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>
>>How a person uses that brain, can determine how good things go.
>
>Our brain determines how we use our brain.
>
>>If one
>>immerses it in alcohol and illegal drugs, they will have to pay the
>>consequences.
>
>Why did God design our brain such that it is affected by drugs?
than heroin)
Lucifer
Jul 21, 2022, 8:40:30 AM7/21/22
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 07:25:59 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 19:29:37 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 11:05:15 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 15:22:56 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 14:34:51 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Would it be OK if I delete parts of this post that are no longer
>>>>relevant?
>>>>If you prefer you could delete the no longer relevant parts.
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 22:35:45 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 00:00:51 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>(1 John 4:8)
>>>>>>>>>>Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
>>
>>What does God is love mean?
>
>It means he cares about each person individually, and only wants the
>best for them. That is why when these issues are resolved, He will do
>so. (see Rev 21:3,4)
Do your panic attacks make you feel loved by God?
>On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 19:29:37 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 11:05:15 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 15:22:56 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 14:34:51 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Would it be OK if I delete parts of this post that are no longer
>>>>relevant?
>>>>If you prefer you could delete the no longer relevant parts.
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 22:35:45 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 00:00:51 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>(1 John 4:8)
>>>>>>>>>>Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
>>
>>What does God is love mean?
>
>It means he cares about each person individually, and only wants the
>best for them. That is why when these issues are resolved, He will do
>so. (see Rev 21:3,4)
>>>>>Yes, many godless people are non-loving. So are some religious people.
>>>>
>>>>That would not happen if there was a God of love.
>>>
>>>There is, and it does happen. (1 John 4:8)
>>
>>Obviously there is no God of love.
>
>Satan has sewn your eyelids shut.
>Remove the threads, and see the
>salvation of Jehovah to come.
>>>>Do people who have never heard of the bible have all the information
>>>>they need to always make good choices?
>>>
>>>They follow their conscience. If they haven't seared it, it can guide
>>>them through most things.
>>
>>Why does God want us to sear our conscience?
>
>Why do you make up lies so much?
Can we get back to that?
I was asking why God wants us to sear our conscience.
>>>>You said you don't know why God does stupid things.
>>>
>>>Lying can get you into trouble.
>>
>>Do you know why God does stupid things?
>
>Apply that to yourself.
Why did God give Adam the ability to harm us?
>>>>I was wondering why God created us as just another mammal with the
>>>>same problems as other mammals.
>>>>You would expect that from a natural process but not from God.
>>>
>>>God's wisdom is much higher than yours.
>>
>>What makes you think that?
>
>Can you control the cosmos?Can you create from nothing millions of
>life forms? Can you remove death? No? Then your wisdom is much, much,
>much lower than God's.
>>>>>Talk to the males who reproduce with underage girls. (hopefully they
>>>>>are arrested) They don't give birth if they don't mate. Again, you can
>>>>>blame Adam. Our original father was a bad guy.
>>>>
>>>>God is our original father, right?
>>>
>>>Are original human father was Adam. Our spiritual Father is Jehovah.
>>
>>God is the father of us all.
>
>And the secondary father of us all was the rebel Adam.
be able to understand Adam's position.
>>>>I was wondering why God designed us mammals so the female can
>>>>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>>
>>>Most all your "God" create questions don't apply to now, since Adam's
>>>blunder.
>>
>>That's not true.
>
>I only speak the truth as I know it.
>>>>>>You are using your free will to thwart God.
>>>>>
>>>>>On the contrary, I use my free will to draw closer to my God.
>>>>
>>>>If that was true you would welcome your panic attacks.
>>>
>>>I am not crazy.
>>
>>Are you sure?
>
>Hmmmmm. Maybe you are right.
>
>>You should welcome God's special brain disorder.
>
>You mean Satan's. No thanks.
>>>>>>>Nowhere does the Bible say GOD WANTED ADAM to be able to corrupt
>>>>>>>himself. That is not what God wanted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You said it!
>>>>>
>>>>>Where?
>>>>
>>>>4 lines above. You wrote,
>>>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>>
>>>But it doesn't say God wanted that.
>>
>>You said,
>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>
>That's exactly what happened. Maybe you are finally getting it.
>>>>God must have reasons for designing our brain that way.
>>>
>>>Jesus turned out great.
>>>
>>>And God designed his perfect brain.
>>>
>>>The rest
>>>of us have a corrupted brain, but not so bad that we can't control it.
>>
>>Why did God not make us all like Jesus?
>
>In the beginning, He did! Adam and Eve were perfect, just like Jesus.
>Jesus also had free will, but he didn't misuse it like Adam did.
>>>>>disobeyed God.
>>>>
>>>>Thus making God responsible for all our problems.
>>>
>>>If you start that lawnmower up with no oil, it is not the
>>>manufacture's responsibility, but the user.
>>
>>God created the user.
>
>But with a free will.
>>>>>>>>>(2 Samuel 22:31) The way of the true God is perfect; The saying of
>>>>>>>>>Jehovah is refined. He is a shield to all those taking refuge in him.
>>>>
>>>>Refuge from what?
>>>
>>>From anything spiritually harmful.
>>
>>Did God create spiritually harmful things?
>
>Absolutely not.
>Those things are generated by the Devil and all his accomplices.
>>>>Adam's defiance did allow us to rise above our God given instincts.
>>>
>>>And that is why the world is so screwed up.
>>
>>We are doing so much better than when we relied on God.
>
>Oh really? Do all humans on this planet have plenty to eat? Do all
>humans live in a paradise? Do all of those who want mates, have them?
>Are all humans 100% healthy? Do all humans have enjoyable work?
>
>Those were the things Adam and Eve were 'born' into.
>
>>We even have medicine to control panic attacks.
>
>It doesn't work the same for everyone. For many, if you take it a long
>time, it no longer has any effect.
>>>>>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>>>>>problems as other mammals?
>>>>>
>>>>>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>>>>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>>>>
>>>>>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>>>>
>>>>I was hoping you would tell me why God made Adam that way.
>>>
>>>Why do they make lawnmowers that can burn up an engine if one starts
>>>it up with no oil?
>>
>>Can we get back to that?
>>I was hoping you would tell me why God made Adam that way.
>
>Please be specific.
>>>God gave Adam a perfect start in life. He and Eve could have lived
>>>forever on a paradise earth, and have the whole world as their
>>>relatives. But he threw all of that away. So here we are today.
>>
>>Why did God do such a terrible thing?
>
>If God wanted to do something terrible, you would know it.
Why did God give Adam the ability to cause harm?
>>>>>If the Creator of all matter wanted to do terrible things to us, you
>>>>>would know it; that is, if you survived.
>>>>
>>>>We do know it.
>>>
>>>God could make every atom in your body ache and do things the Devil
>>>would only dream of doing. No, God is not causing you harm.
>>
>>God is causing you harm with panic attacks.
>
>I give Adam 100% credit for my panic attacks.
>>>The Devil
>>>looks to us like we look at roaches. Disgusting and deserved to be
>>>stepped on.
>>
>>Replace The Devil with God.
>
>That will soon happen, when God throws the Devil into the symbolic
>lake of fire.
>>>>Is it safe for you to be so critical of God?
>>>
>>>If I was critical of God you would know it.
>>
>>I do know it.
>
>You may think you do.
I do know it.
>>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>>
>>>How a person uses that brain, can determine how good things go.
>>
>>Our brain determines how we use our brain.
>>
>
>Sounds logical.
>
>>>If one
>>>immerses it in alcohol and illegal drugs, they will have to pay the
>>>consequences.
Why did God design our brain such that it is affected by drugs?
servant
Jul 21, 2022, 3:35:06 PM7/21/22
to
Lucifer
Jul 23, 2022, 4:32:29 AM7/23/22
to
zeb...@windstream.net
Jul 24, 2022, 7:02:38 AM7/24/22
to
On 21 Jul 2022 19:35:04 GMT, servant wrote:
>Dna is the newest tool to observe and test observations of biological
>change over time. It can track the changes in time and where they
>originated and show amount of relatedness among living things.
But does not show a change from one species into another species.
>Dna is the newest tool to observe and test observations of biological
>change over time. It can track the changes in time and where they
>originated and show amount of relatedness among living things.
>
>For example, the various cat species that now exist are shown by dna to
>have a common ancestor. That ancestor no longer exists among living things
>and started some 6 million years ago . Many other cat species no longer
>exist either, the saber tooth tiger is a well nown example. Most cat
>species are only known by the fossil history and by dna analysis. The time
>period of afew thousand years can ot contain what the dna record of God's
>creation reveals even for cats.
>
>How did we get from one ancestor to several seperate cat speciess today and
>many many between those points now extinct?
>
>Using the observable evidence in God's revelation of creation, what is the
>possible range of explanitory models to account for the dna record over
>time?
all came from one original cat, one that God created. God created
within that cat, the variations of other cats. The Bible doesn't say
exactly how that worked, but it obviously did.
The same goes for dogs and birds and even insects. As they evolved,
they always stayed within their original species. And this evolving is
called microevolution. In microevolution the life form always stays
the same species.
Sincerely James
A much better earth is coming
zeb...@windstream.net
Jul 24, 2022, 7:07:32 AM7/24/22
to
Sincerely James
A much better earth is coming
zeb...@windstream.net
Jul 24, 2022, 7:19:28 AM7/24/22
to
On 01 Jul 2022 17:35:07 GMT, servant wrote:
>
>One of friend james' popular rotely learned plug in ideas about evolution
>as biological change over time is to say; "where are all the inbetween
>examples?" There are easy to observe examples, but the question is
>irrelevant. The basic more fundamental question is how to account for what
>the content of God's creation as revlation contains.
>
>No living things living now existed millions of years ago. Likewise those
>millions of years ago do not exist now. The fundamental question is how do
>we account for that change from then to now? What model best accounts for
>that observation?
Microevolution.
>
>One of friend james' popular rotely learned plug in ideas about evolution
>as biological change over time is to say; "where are all the inbetween
>examples?" There are easy to observe examples, but the question is
>irrelevant. The basic more fundamental question is how to account for what
>the content of God's creation as revlation contains.
>
>No living things living now existed millions of years ago. Likewise those
>millions of years ago do not exist now. The fundamental question is how do
>we account for that change from then to now? What model best accounts for
>that observation?
Microevolution.
zeb...@windstream.net
Jul 24, 2022, 5:16:06 PM7/24/22
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 18:32:23 +1000, Lucifer
>
>>>>>>Yes, many godless people are non-loving. So are some religious people.
>>>>>
>>>>>That would not happen if there was a God of love.
>>>>
>>>>There is, and it does happen. (1 John 4:8)
>>>
>>>Obviously there is no God of love.
>>
>>Satan has sewn your eyelids shut.
>
>Where did that come from?
An open mind to a closed mind.
>
>>Remove the threads, and see the
>>salvation of Jehovah to come.
>
>What do I need salvating from?
Satan's strong influence.
>
>>>>>Do people who have never heard of the bible have all the information
>>>>>they need to always make good choices?
>>>>
>>>>They follow their conscience. If they haven't seared it, it can guide
>>>>them through most things.
>>>
>>>Why does God want us to sear our conscience?
>>
>>Why do you make up lies so much?
>
>Can we get back to that?
>I was asking why God wants us to sear our conscience.
That wouldn't make any sense. Why would God give us a conscience for
guidance, then want us to abuse it?
>
>>>>>You said you don't know why God does stupid things.
>>>>
>>>>Lying can get you into trouble.
>>>
>>>Do you know why God does stupid things?
>>
>>Apply that to yourself.
>
>Either you do or don't know why God does stupid things.
Only humans (and rebel angels) do stupid things.
>
>>>>>>>In Genesis God says I will as He downgraded us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Scripture please.
>>>>>
>>>>>Genesis
>>>>>16 To the woman he said,
>>>>>
>>>>>“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
>>>>> with painful labor you will give birth to children.
>>>>>Your desire will be for your husband,
>>>>> and he will rule over you.”
>>>>
>>>>Punishment for wrongdoing is never enjoyable.
>>>
>>>Notice God says,
>>>"I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>>>God does Not say,
>>>"Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>>
>>God designed humans for certain duties. The woman is to give birth and
>>raise the children. The husband is to take the lead spiritually, and
>>earn a living for the household.
>
>Notice God says,
>"I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>God does Not say,
>"Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
Adam had the responsibility of growing food for the family. For
punishment, God made that a very difficult task with growing weeds and
having droughts and insects, etc.
>
>>>>>>>>>>You are blaming God for Adam's sin.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Of course! God designed Adam to sin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Then Adam was a robot. Really? What happened to free will?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Adam did not choose to pass faulty genes on to us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Adam did choose to disobey God, and get all the repercussions of such.
>>>>>>He made a universal mistake.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said God making Adam that way was not an error.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>You did not choose to have panic attacks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Random chance is at work in my brain. The drugs keep it in check.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said you don't know why God made your brain that way.
>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did God give us a brain which causes panic attacks,
>>>>>>>depression, homosexuality, murderous rampages, and control
>>>>>>>freaks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ask Adam. He caused ALL of such things.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said humans are not capable of designing our brain.
>>>>
>>>>Adam was responsible for its imperfection.
>>>
>>>Why did God give Adam that ability?
>>
>>Because He is a God of justice.
>
>Huh?
>Why did God give Adam the ability to harm us?
I don't know.
It eventually also harmed God's innocent Son. Some day we may
understand His sense of justice here.
We do know God's initial arrangement was having perfect healthy humans
occupying a paradise planet forever. That was not a negative
arrangement. And temporarily abandoned, it will still be realized.
>
>>>>>I was wondering why God created us as just another mammal with the
>>>>>same problems as other mammals.
>>>>>You would expect that from a natural process but not from God.
>>>>
>>>>God's wisdom is much higher than yours.
>>>
>>>What makes you think that?
>>
>>Can you control the cosmos?Can you create from nothing millions of
>>life forms? Can you remove death? No? Then your wisdom is much, much,
>>much lower than God's.
>
>What makes you think God's wisdom is much higher than mine?
Read the words directly above.
>
>>>>>>Talk to the males who reproduce with underage girls. (hopefully they
>>>>>>are arrested) They don't give birth if they don't mate. Again, you can
>>>>>>blame Adam. Our original father was a bad guy.
>>>>>
>>>>>God is our original father, right?
>>>>
>>>>Are original human father was Adam. Our spiritual Father is Jehovah.
>>>
>>>God is the father of us all.
>>
>>And the secondary father of us all was the rebel Adam.
>
>As someone who has panic attacks forced on him you should
>be able to understand Adam's position.
Your premise is untrue, thus so is your deduction.
>
>>>>>I was wondering why God designed us mammals so the female can
>>>>>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>>>
>>>>Most all your "God" create questions don't apply to now, since Adam's
>>>>blunder.
>>>
>>>That's not true.
>>
>>I only speak the truth as I know it.
>
>My questions apply to now.
"Now" is the result of Adam's disobedience. Thus we are living in his
punishments.
>
>>>>>>>You are using your free will to thwart God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On the contrary, I use my free will to draw closer to my God.
>>>>>
>>>>>If that was true you would welcome your panic attacks.
>>>>
>>>>I am not crazy.
>>>
>>>Are you sure?
>>
>>Hmmmmm. Maybe you are right.
>>
>>>You should welcome God's special brain disorder.
>>
>>You mean Satan's. No thanks.
>
>God designed our brain.
And the FMC designed all Fords. So what?
>
>>>>>>>>Nowhere does the Bible say GOD WANTED ADAM to be able to corrupt
>>>>>>>>himself. That is not what God wanted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You said it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Where?
>>>>>
>>>>>4 lines above. You wrote,
>>>>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>>>
>>>>But it doesn't say God wanted that.
>>>
>>>You said,
>>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>
>>That's exactly what happened. Maybe you are finally getting it.
>
>God did not make an error. Adam was exactly as God wanted.
Yes, in the very beginning he was. Then he blew it by sinning.
>
>>>>>God must have reasons for designing our brain that way.
>>>>
>>>>Jesus turned out great.
>>>>
>>>>And God designed his perfect brain.
>>>>
>>>>The rest
>>>>of us have a corrupted brain, but not so bad that we can't control it.
>>>
>>>Why did God not make us all like Jesus?
>>
>>In the beginning, He did! Adam and Eve were perfect, just like Jesus.
>>Jesus also had free will, but he didn't misuse it like Adam did.
>
>What was different about Jesus?\
Well, he did live in Heaven with God for billions of years before
becoming human. Adam did not. Outside of that, they were about the
same at first; both being perfect.
>
>>>>>>disobeyed God.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thus making God responsible for all our problems.
>>>>
>>>>If you start that lawnmower up with no oil, it is not the
>>>>manufacture's responsibility, but the user.
>>>
>>>God created the user.
>>
>>But with a free will.
>
>Therefore God is responsible for the way the mower is used.
Negatrons, just like a manufacturer, God is responsible for the manual
on how ti use it. The user is responsible for following the manual.
>
>>>>>>>>>>(2 Samuel 22:31) The way of the true God is perfect; The saying of
>>>>>>>>>>Jehovah is refined. He is a shield to all those taking refuge in him.
>>>>>
>>>>>Refuge from what?
>>>>
>>>>From anything spiritually harmful.
>>>
>>>Did God create spiritually harmful things?
>>
>>Absolutely not.
>
>What do we need refuge from?
All badness. Pornography, thievery, murders, Satanism, harmful speech,
false religion, greed, unforgiving, hatred, pride, drunkenness,
selfishness, etc, etc. All things the Devil loves.
>
>>Those things are generated by the Devil and all his accomplices.
>
>So we need refuge from God?
You might be reading it wrong. We need to go to God for refuge from
the Devil.
>
>>>>>Adam's defiance did allow us to rise above our God given instincts.
>>>>
>>>>And that is why the world is so screwed up.
>>>
>>>We are doing so much better than when we relied on God.
>>
>>Oh really? Do all humans on this planet have plenty to eat? Do all
>>humans live in a paradise? Do all of those who want mates, have them?
>>Are all humans 100% healthy? Do all humans have enjoyable work?
>>
>>Those were the things Adam and Eve were 'born' into.
>>
>>>We even have medicine to control panic attacks.
>>
>>It doesn't work the same for everyone. For many, if you take it a long
>>time, it no longer has any effect.
>
>God will not let you escape your punishment.
Punishment for what?
>
>>>>>>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>>>>>>problems as other mammals?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>>>>>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>>>>>
>>>>>I was hoping you would tell me why God made Adam that way.
>>>>
>>>>Why do they make lawnmowers that can burn up an engine if one starts
>>>>it up with no oil?
>>>
>>>Can we get back to that?
>>>I was hoping you would tell me why God made Adam that way.
>>
>>Please be specific.
>
>Why did God make Adam with the ability to do us harm?
I don't know. Adam's decision certainly effected us. He actually was
responsible for us, be it good or bad.
>
>>>>God gave Adam a perfect start in life. He and Eve could have lived
>>>>forever on a paradise earth, and have the whole world as their
>>>>relatives. But he threw all of that away. So here we are today.
>>>
>>>Why did God do such a terrible thing?
>>
>>If God wanted to do something terrible, you would know it.
>
>We do know it.
>Why did God give Adam the ability to cause harm?
See above.
>
>>>>>>If the Creator of all matter wanted to do terrible things to us, you
>>>>>>would know it; that is, if you survived.
>>>>>
>>>>>We do know it.
>>>>
>>>>God could make every atom in your body ache and do things the Devil
>>>>would only dream of doing. No, God is not causing you harm.
>>>
>>>God is causing you harm with panic attacks.
>>
>>I give Adam 100% credit for my panic attacks.
>
>How did Adam come to be?
Based on your belief, it all started in a cesspool of goo where
something became alive. Then after millions of random mutations, Adam
popped out. The whole thing is as ridiculous as it sounds.
>
>>>>The Devil
>>>>looks to us like we look at roaches. Disgusting and deserved to be
>>>>stepped on.
>>>
>>>Replace The Devil with God.
>>
>>That will soon happen, when God throws the Devil into the symbolic
>>lake of fire.
>
>Is that where the symbolic Adam and Eve are?
No and yes. No they were not symbolic but real. And yes that is where
they now are; non existent.
>
>>>>>Is it safe for you to be so critical of God?
>>>>
>>>>If I was critical of God you would know it.
>>>
>>>I do know it.
>>
>>You may think you do.
>
>I do know it.
I don't sugar-coat anything. You would know it if I was.
>
>>>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>>>
>>>>How a person uses that brain, can determine how good things go.
>>>
>>>Our brain determines how we use our brain.
>>>
>>
>>Sounds logical.
>>
>>>>If one
>>>>immerses it in alcohol and illegal drugs, they will have to pay the
>>>>consequences.
>
>Why did God design our brain such that it is affected by drugs?
I don't know. Why did God pick green for the color of grass? There are
some things we may never know.
Sincerely James
A much better earth is coming
<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 07:25:59 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 19:29:37 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 11:05:15 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 15:22:56 +1000, Lucifer
>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 14:34:51 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Would it be OK if I delete parts of this post that are no longer
>>>>>relevant?
>>>>>If you prefer you could delete the no longer relevant parts.
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 22:35:45 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 00:00:51 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>(1 John 4:8)
>>>>>>>>>>>Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
>>>
>>>What does God is love mean?
>>
>>It means he cares about each person individually, and only wants the
>>best for them. That is why when these issues are resolved, He will do
>>so. (see Rev 21:3,4)
>
>Do your panic attacks make you feel loved by God?
I am sure He does, even though He has nothing to do with them.
>On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 07:25:59 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 19:29:37 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 11:05:15 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 15:22:56 +1000, Lucifer
>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 14:34:51 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Would it be OK if I delete parts of this post that are no longer
>>>>>relevant?
>>>>>If you prefer you could delete the no longer relevant parts.
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 22:35:45 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 00:00:51 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>(1 John 4:8)
>>>>>>>>>>>Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
>>>
>>>What does God is love mean?
>>
>>It means he cares about each person individually, and only wants the
>>best for them. That is why when these issues are resolved, He will do
>>so. (see Rev 21:3,4)
>
>Do your panic attacks make you feel loved by God?
>
>>>>>>Yes, many godless people are non-loving. So are some religious people.
>>>>>
>>>>>That would not happen if there was a God of love.
>>>>
>>>>There is, and it does happen. (1 John 4:8)
>>>
>>>Obviously there is no God of love.
>>
>>Satan has sewn your eyelids shut.
>
>Where did that come from?
>
>>Remove the threads, and see the
>>salvation of Jehovah to come.
>
>What do I need salvating from?
>
>>>>>Do people who have never heard of the bible have all the information
>>>>>they need to always make good choices?
>>>>
>>>>They follow their conscience. If they haven't seared it, it can guide
>>>>them through most things.
>>>
>>>Why does God want us to sear our conscience?
>>
>>Why do you make up lies so much?
>
>Can we get back to that?
>I was asking why God wants us to sear our conscience.
guidance, then want us to abuse it?
>
>>>>>You said you don't know why God does stupid things.
>>>>
>>>>Lying can get you into trouble.
>>>
>>>Do you know why God does stupid things?
>>
>>Apply that to yourself.
>
>Either you do or don't know why God does stupid things.
>
>>>>>>>In Genesis God says I will as He downgraded us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Scripture please.
>>>>>
>>>>>Genesis
>>>>>16 To the woman he said,
>>>>>
>>>>>“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
>>>>> with painful labor you will give birth to children.
>>>>>Your desire will be for your husband,
>>>>> and he will rule over you.”
>>>>
>>>>Punishment for wrongdoing is never enjoyable.
>>>
>>>Notice God says,
>>>"I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>>>God does Not say,
>>>"Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>>
>>God designed humans for certain duties. The woman is to give birth and
>>raise the children. The husband is to take the lead spiritually, and
>>earn a living for the household.
>
>Notice God says,
>"I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>God does Not say,
>"Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
punishment, God made that a very difficult task with growing weeds and
having droughts and insects, etc.
>
>>>>>>>>>>You are blaming God for Adam's sin.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Of course! God designed Adam to sin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Then Adam was a robot. Really? What happened to free will?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Adam did not choose to pass faulty genes on to us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Adam did choose to disobey God, and get all the repercussions of such.
>>>>>>He made a universal mistake.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said God making Adam that way was not an error.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>You did not choose to have panic attacks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Random chance is at work in my brain. The drugs keep it in check.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said you don't know why God made your brain that way.
>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did God give us a brain which causes panic attacks,
>>>>>>>depression, homosexuality, murderous rampages, and control
>>>>>>>freaks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ask Adam. He caused ALL of such things.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said humans are not capable of designing our brain.
>>>>
>>>>Adam was responsible for its imperfection.
>>>
>>>Why did God give Adam that ability?
>>
>>Because He is a God of justice.
>
>Huh?
>Why did God give Adam the ability to harm us?
It eventually also harmed God's innocent Son. Some day we may
understand His sense of justice here.
We do know God's initial arrangement was having perfect healthy humans
occupying a paradise planet forever. That was not a negative
arrangement. And temporarily abandoned, it will still be realized.
>
>>>>>I was wondering why God created us as just another mammal with the
>>>>>same problems as other mammals.
>>>>>You would expect that from a natural process but not from God.
>>>>
>>>>God's wisdom is much higher than yours.
>>>
>>>What makes you think that?
>>
>>Can you control the cosmos?Can you create from nothing millions of
>>life forms? Can you remove death? No? Then your wisdom is much, much,
>>much lower than God's.
>
>What makes you think God's wisdom is much higher than mine?
>
>>>>>>Talk to the males who reproduce with underage girls. (hopefully they
>>>>>>are arrested) They don't give birth if they don't mate. Again, you can
>>>>>>blame Adam. Our original father was a bad guy.
>>>>>
>>>>>God is our original father, right?
>>>>
>>>>Are original human father was Adam. Our spiritual Father is Jehovah.
>>>
>>>God is the father of us all.
>>
>>And the secondary father of us all was the rebel Adam.
>
>As someone who has panic attacks forced on him you should
>be able to understand Adam's position.
>
>>>>>I was wondering why God designed us mammals so the female can
>>>>>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>>>
>>>>Most all your "God" create questions don't apply to now, since Adam's
>>>>blunder.
>>>
>>>That's not true.
>>
>>I only speak the truth as I know it.
>
>My questions apply to now.
punishments.
>
>>>>>>>You are using your free will to thwart God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On the contrary, I use my free will to draw closer to my God.
>>>>>
>>>>>If that was true you would welcome your panic attacks.
>>>>
>>>>I am not crazy.
>>>
>>>Are you sure?
>>
>>Hmmmmm. Maybe you are right.
>>
>>>You should welcome God's special brain disorder.
>>
>>You mean Satan's. No thanks.
>
>God designed our brain.
>
>>>>>>>>Nowhere does the Bible say GOD WANTED ADAM to be able to corrupt
>>>>>>>>himself. That is not what God wanted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You said it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Where?
>>>>>
>>>>>4 lines above. You wrote,
>>>>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>>>
>>>>But it doesn't say God wanted that.
>>>
>>>You said,
>>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>
>>That's exactly what happened. Maybe you are finally getting it.
>
>God did not make an error. Adam was exactly as God wanted.
>
>>>>>God must have reasons for designing our brain that way.
>>>>
>>>>Jesus turned out great.
>>>>
>>>>And God designed his perfect brain.
>>>>
>>>>The rest
>>>>of us have a corrupted brain, but not so bad that we can't control it.
>>>
>>>Why did God not make us all like Jesus?
>>
>>In the beginning, He did! Adam and Eve were perfect, just like Jesus.
>>Jesus also had free will, but he didn't misuse it like Adam did.
>
Well, he did live in Heaven with God for billions of years before
becoming human. Adam did not. Outside of that, they were about the
same at first; both being perfect.
>
>>>>>>disobeyed God.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thus making God responsible for all our problems.
>>>>
>>>>If you start that lawnmower up with no oil, it is not the
>>>>manufacture's responsibility, but the user.
>>>
>>>God created the user.
>>
>>But with a free will.
>
>Therefore God is responsible for the way the mower is used.
on how ti use it. The user is responsible for following the manual.
>
>>>>>>>>>>(2 Samuel 22:31) The way of the true God is perfect; The saying of
>>>>>>>>>>Jehovah is refined. He is a shield to all those taking refuge in him.
>>>>>
>>>>>Refuge from what?
>>>>
>>>>From anything spiritually harmful.
>>>
>>>Did God create spiritually harmful things?
>>
>>Absolutely not.
>
>What do we need refuge from?
false religion, greed, unforgiving, hatred, pride, drunkenness,
selfishness, etc, etc. All things the Devil loves.
>
>>Those things are generated by the Devil and all his accomplices.
>
>So we need refuge from God?
the Devil.
>
>>>>>Adam's defiance did allow us to rise above our God given instincts.
>>>>
>>>>And that is why the world is so screwed up.
>>>
>>>We are doing so much better than when we relied on God.
>>
>>Oh really? Do all humans on this planet have plenty to eat? Do all
>>humans live in a paradise? Do all of those who want mates, have them?
>>Are all humans 100% healthy? Do all humans have enjoyable work?
>>
>>Those were the things Adam and Eve were 'born' into.
>>
>>>We even have medicine to control panic attacks.
>>
>>It doesn't work the same for everyone. For many, if you take it a long
>>time, it no longer has any effect.
>
>God will not let you escape your punishment.
>
>>>>>>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>>>>>>problems as other mammals?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>>>>>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>>>>>
>>>>>I was hoping you would tell me why God made Adam that way.
>>>>
>>>>Why do they make lawnmowers that can burn up an engine if one starts
>>>>it up with no oil?
>>>
>>>Can we get back to that?
>>>I was hoping you would tell me why God made Adam that way.
>>
>>Please be specific.
>
>Why did God make Adam with the ability to do us harm?
responsible for us, be it good or bad.
>
>>>>God gave Adam a perfect start in life. He and Eve could have lived
>>>>forever on a paradise earth, and have the whole world as their
>>>>relatives. But he threw all of that away. So here we are today.
>>>
>>>Why did God do such a terrible thing?
>>
>>If God wanted to do something terrible, you would know it.
>
>We do know it.
>Why did God give Adam the ability to cause harm?
>
>>>>>>If the Creator of all matter wanted to do terrible things to us, you
>>>>>>would know it; that is, if you survived.
>>>>>
>>>>>We do know it.
>>>>
>>>>God could make every atom in your body ache and do things the Devil
>>>>would only dream of doing. No, God is not causing you harm.
>>>
>>>God is causing you harm with panic attacks.
>>
>>I give Adam 100% credit for my panic attacks.
>
>How did Adam come to be?
something became alive. Then after millions of random mutations, Adam
popped out. The whole thing is as ridiculous as it sounds.
>
>>>>The Devil
>>>>looks to us like we look at roaches. Disgusting and deserved to be
>>>>stepped on.
>>>
>>>Replace The Devil with God.
>>
>>That will soon happen, when God throws the Devil into the symbolic
>>lake of fire.
>
>Is that where the symbolic Adam and Eve are?
they now are; non existent.
>
>>>>>Is it safe for you to be so critical of God?
>>>>
>>>>If I was critical of God you would know it.
>>>
>>>I do know it.
>>
>>You may think you do.
>
>I do know it.
>
>>>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>>>
>>>>How a person uses that brain, can determine how good things go.
>>>
>>>Our brain determines how we use our brain.
>>>
>>
>>Sounds logical.
>>
>>>>If one
>>>>immerses it in alcohol and illegal drugs, they will have to pay the
>>>>consequences.
>
>Why did God design our brain such that it is affected by drugs?
some things we may never know.
Sincerely James
A much better earth is coming
servant
Jul 25, 2022, 1:21:51 PM7/25/22
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>>One of friend james' popular rotely learned plug in ideas about evolution
>>as biological change over time is to say; "where are all the inbetween
>>examples?" There are easy to observe examples, but the question is
>>irrelevant. The basic more fundamental question is how to account for what
>>the content of God's creation as revlation contains.
>>
>>No living things living now existed millions of years ago. Likewise those
>>millions of years ago do not exist now. The fundamental question is how do
>>we account for that change from then to now? What model best accounts for
>>that observation?
>
>Microevolution.
Absolutely, small change in dna by small change for millions of years does
explain the question.
Nothing living today lived 400 million years ago when the first simple
multicell life appeared. Nothing living today had even a close example
living then.
Also, even in the time between then and now new living things first
appeared. For example, the first mamal that became todays various cat
species appearsome 6 million years ago. Nothing like it is seen today. 6
million years of a proposed explanation of micro evolution explains how it
happened.
The record in the collective dna of the currrent cat species also shows the
history of the large biological change for the past millionss of years
since that first cat like kind.. The millons upon millions of
microevolution changes are in the dna record of cat species.
Meow
Jul 25, 2022, 3:03:05 PM7/25/22
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On 7/25/22 12:21, servant wrote:
> The record in the collective dna of the currrent cat species also shows the
> history of the large biological change for the past millionss of years
> since that first cat like kind.. The millons upon millions of
> microevolution changes are in the dna record of cat species.
After all this time pussy still tastes the same. Delish!
> The record in the collective dna of the currrent cat species also shows the
> history of the large biological change for the past millionss of years
> since that first cat like kind.. The millons upon millions of
> microevolution changes are in the dna record of cat species.
--
Meow
zeb...@windstream.net
Jul 25, 2022, 3:38:16 PM7/25/22
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 22:40:12 +1000, Lucifer
He doesn't.
>
>>>>>You said you don't know why God does stupid things.
>>>>
>>>>Lying can get you into trouble.
>>>
>>>Do you know why God does stupid things?
>>
>>Apply that to yourself.
>
>Either you do or don't know why God does stupid things.
I don't because He don't.
>
>>>>>>>In Genesis God says I will as He downgraded us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Scripture please.
>>>>>
>>>>>Genesis
>>>>>16 To the woman he said,
>>>>>
>>>>>“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
>>>>> with painful labor you will give birth to children.
>>>>>Your desire will be for your husband,
>>>>> and he will rule over you.”
>>>>
>>>>Punishment for wrongdoing is never enjoyable.
>>>
>>>Notice God says,
>>>"I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>>>God does Not say,
>>>"Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>>
>>God designed humans for certain duties. The woman is to give birth and
>>raise the children. The husband is to take the lead spiritually, and
>>earn a living for the household.
>
>Notice God says,
>"I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>God does Not say,
>"Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
True. Eve caused that punishment done to her because she disobeyed
God.
>
>>>>>>>>>>You are blaming God for Adam's sin.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Of course! God designed Adam to sin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Then Adam was a robot. Really? What happened to free will?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Adam did not choose to pass faulty genes on to us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Adam did choose to disobey God, and get all the repercussions of such.
>>>>>>He made a universal mistake.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said God making Adam that way was not an error.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>You did not choose to have panic attacks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Random chance is at work in my brain. The drugs keep it in check.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said you don't know why God made your brain that way.
>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did God give us a brain which causes panic attacks,
>>>>>>>depression, homosexuality, murderous rampages, and control
>>>>>>>freaks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ask Adam. He caused ALL of such things.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said humans are not capable of designing our brain.
>>>>
>>>>Adam was responsible for its imperfection.
>>>
>>>Why did God give Adam that ability?
>>
>>Because He is a God of justice.
>
>Huh?
>Why did God give Adam the ability to harm us?
God has the right to test His Creation.
>
>>>>>I was wondering why God created us as just another mammal with the
>>>>>same problems as other mammals.
>>>>>You would expect that from a natural process but not from God.
>>>>
>>>>God's wisdom is much higher than yours.
>>>
>>>What makes you think that?
>>
>>Can you control the cosmos?Can you create from nothing millions of
>>life forms? Can you remove death? No? Then your wisdom is much, much,
>>much lower than God's.
>
>What makes you think God's wisdom is much higher than mine?
Can you resurrect some one?
>
>>>>>>Talk to the males who reproduce with underage girls. (hopefully they
>>>>>>are arrested) They don't give birth if they don't mate. Again, you can
>>>>>>blame Adam. Our original father was a bad guy.
>>>>>
>>>>>God is our original father, right?
>>>>
>>>>Are original human father was Adam. Our spiritual Father is Jehovah.
>>>
>>>God is the father of us all.
>>
>>And the secondary father of us all was the rebel Adam.
>
>As someone who has panic attacks forced on him you should
>be able to understand Adam's position.
I have a medical condition.
>
>>>>>I was wondering why God designed us mammals so the female can
>>>>>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>>>
>>>>Most all your "God" create questions don't apply to now, since Adam's
>>>>blunder.
>>>
>>>That's not true.
>>
>>I only speak the truth as I know it.
>
>My questions apply to now.
What questions?
>
>>>>>>>You are using your free will to thwart God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On the contrary, I use my free will to draw closer to my God.
>>>>>
>>>>>If that was true you would welcome your panic attacks.
>>>>
>>>>I am not crazy.
>>>
>>>Are you sure?
>>
>>Hmmmmm. Maybe you are right.
>>
>>>You should welcome God's special brain disorder.
>>
>>You mean Satan's. No thanks.
>
>God designed our brain.
True, but just not the brains of today.
>
>>>>>>>>Nowhere does the Bible say GOD WANTED ADAM to be able to corrupt
>>>>>>>>himself. That is not what God wanted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You said it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Where?
>>>>>
>>>>>4 lines above. You wrote,
>>>>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>>>
>>>>But it doesn't say God wanted that.
>>>
>>>You said,
>>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>
>>That's exactly what happened. Maybe you are finally getting it.
>
>God did not make an error. Adam was exactly as God wanted.
The Bible nowhere says that.
>
>>>>>God must have reasons for designing our brain that way.
>>>>
>>>>Jesus turned out great.
>>>>
>>>>And God designed his perfect brain.
>>>>
>>>>The rest
>>>>of us have a corrupted brain, but not so bad that we can't control it.
>>>
>>>Why did God not make us all like Jesus?
>>
>>In the beginning, He did! Adam and Eve were perfect, just like Jesus.
>>Jesus also had free will, but he didn't misuse it like Adam did.
>
>What was different about Jesus?
Among many other things, Jesus was PERFECT.
>
>>>>>>disobeyed God.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thus making God responsible for all our problems.
>>>>
>>>>If you start that lawnmower up with no oil, it is not the
>>>>manufacture's responsibility, but the user.
>>>
>>>God created the user.
>>
>>But with a free will.
>
>Therefore God is responsible for the way the mower is used.
Then you also must believe all Ford wrecks are the fault of the FMC.
>
>>>>>>>>>>(2 Samuel 22:31) The way of the true God is perfect; The saying of
>>>>>>>>>>Jehovah is refined. He is a shield to all those taking refuge in him.
>>>>>
>>>>>Refuge from what?
>>>>
>>>>From anything spiritually harmful.
>>>
>>>Did God create spiritually harmful things?
>>
>>Absolutely not.
>
>What do we need refuge from?
The Devil and ourselves.
>
>>Those things are generated by the Devil and all his accomplices.
>
>So we need refuge from God?
Yes, God is our refuge.
>
>>>>>Adam's defiance did allow us to rise above our God given instincts.
>>>>
>>>>And that is why the world is so screwed up.
>>>
>>>We are doing so much better than when we relied on God.
>>
>>Oh really? Do all humans on this planet have plenty to eat? Do all
>>humans live in a paradise? Do all of those who want mates, have them?
>>Are all humans 100% healthy? Do all humans have enjoyable work?
>>
>>Those were the things Adam and Eve were 'born' into.
>>
>>>We even have medicine to control panic attacks.
>>
>>It doesn't work the same for everyone. For many, if you take it a long
>>time, it no longer has any effect.
>
>God will not let you escape your punishment.
A punishment can also be verbal.
>
>>>>>>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>>>>>>problems as other mammals?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>>>>>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>>>>>
>>>>>I was hoping you would tell me why God made Adam that way.
>>>>
>>>>Why do they make lawnmowers that can burn up an engine if one starts
>>>>it up with no oil?
>>>
>>>Can we get back to that?
>>>I was hoping you would tell me why God made Adam that way.
>>
>>Please be specific.
>
>Why did God make Adam with the ability to do us harm?
Adam was responsible for the whole human race. It was his own doing.
>
>>>>God gave Adam a perfect start in life. He and Eve could have lived
>>>>forever on a paradise earth, and have the whole world as their
>>>>relatives. But he threw all of that away. So here we are today.
>>>
>>>Why did God do such a terrible thing?
>>
>>If God wanted to do something terrible, you would know it.
>
>We do know it.
>Why did God give Adam the ability to cause harm?
See above.
>
>>>>>>If the Creator of all matter wanted to do terrible things to us, you
>>>>>>would know it; that is, if you survived.
>>>>>
>>>>>We do know it.
>>>>
>>>>God could make every atom in your body ache and do things the Devil
>>>>would only dream of doing. No, God is not causing you harm.
>>>
>>>God is causing you harm with panic attacks.
>>
>>I give Adam 100% credit for my panic attacks.
>
>How did Adam come to be?
>
By God forming him from the dust of the earth.
>>>>The Devil
>>>>looks to us like we look at roaches. Disgusting and deserved to be
>>>>stepped on.
>>>
>>>Replace The Devil with God.
>>
>>That will soon happen, when God throws the Devil into the symbolic
>>lake of fire.
>
>Is that where the symbolic Adam and Eve are?
They sinned against the Holy Spirit. Thus they cease to exist.
>
>>>>>Is it safe for you to be so critical of God?
>>>>
>>>>If I was critical of God you would know it.
>>>
>>>I do know it.
>>
>>You may think you do.
>
>I do know it.
Name one example where I was critical of God?
>
>>>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>>>
>>>>How a person uses that brain, can determine how good things go.
>>>
>>>Our brain determines how we use our brain.
>>>
>>
>>Sounds logical.
>>
>>>>If one
>>>>immerses it in alcohol and illegal drugs, they will have to pay the
>>>>consequences.
>
>Why did God design our brain such that it is affected by drugs?
Wen are not supposed to take illegal drugs.
Sincerely James
A much better earth is coming
>
>>>>>You said you don't know why God does stupid things.
>>>>
>>>>Lying can get you into trouble.
>>>
>>>Do you know why God does stupid things?
>>
>>Apply that to yourself.
>
>Either you do or don't know why God does stupid things.
>
>>>>>>>In Genesis God says I will as He downgraded us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Scripture please.
>>>>>
>>>>>Genesis
>>>>>16 To the woman he said,
>>>>>
>>>>>“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
>>>>> with painful labor you will give birth to children.
>>>>>Your desire will be for your husband,
>>>>> and he will rule over you.”
>>>>
>>>>Punishment for wrongdoing is never enjoyable.
>>>
>>>Notice God says,
>>>"I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>>>God does Not say,
>>>"Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>>
>>God designed humans for certain duties. The woman is to give birth and
>>raise the children. The husband is to take the lead spiritually, and
>>earn a living for the household.
>
>Notice God says,
>"I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>God does Not say,
>"Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
God.
>
>>>>>>>>>>You are blaming God for Adam's sin.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Of course! God designed Adam to sin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Then Adam was a robot. Really? What happened to free will?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Adam did not choose to pass faulty genes on to us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Adam did choose to disobey God, and get all the repercussions of such.
>>>>>>He made a universal mistake.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said God making Adam that way was not an error.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>You did not choose to have panic attacks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Random chance is at work in my brain. The drugs keep it in check.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said you don't know why God made your brain that way.
>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did God give us a brain which causes panic attacks,
>>>>>>>depression, homosexuality, murderous rampages, and control
>>>>>>>freaks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ask Adam. He caused ALL of such things.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said humans are not capable of designing our brain.
>>>>
>>>>Adam was responsible for its imperfection.
>>>
>>>Why did God give Adam that ability?
>>
>>Because He is a God of justice.
>
>Huh?
>Why did God give Adam the ability to harm us?
>
>>>>>I was wondering why God created us as just another mammal with the
>>>>>same problems as other mammals.
>>>>>You would expect that from a natural process but not from God.
>>>>
>>>>God's wisdom is much higher than yours.
>>>
>>>What makes you think that?
>>
>>Can you control the cosmos?Can you create from nothing millions of
>>life forms? Can you remove death? No? Then your wisdom is much, much,
>>much lower than God's.
>
>What makes you think God's wisdom is much higher than mine?
>
>>>>>>Talk to the males who reproduce with underage girls. (hopefully they
>>>>>>are arrested) They don't give birth if they don't mate. Again, you can
>>>>>>blame Adam. Our original father was a bad guy.
>>>>>
>>>>>God is our original father, right?
>>>>
>>>>Are original human father was Adam. Our spiritual Father is Jehovah.
>>>
>>>God is the father of us all.
>>
>>And the secondary father of us all was the rebel Adam.
>
>As someone who has panic attacks forced on him you should
>be able to understand Adam's position.
>
>>>>>I was wondering why God designed us mammals so the female can
>>>>>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>>>
>>>>Most all your "God" create questions don't apply to now, since Adam's
>>>>blunder.
>>>
>>>That's not true.
>>
>>I only speak the truth as I know it.
>
>My questions apply to now.
>
>>>>>>>You are using your free will to thwart God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On the contrary, I use my free will to draw closer to my God.
>>>>>
>>>>>If that was true you would welcome your panic attacks.
>>>>
>>>>I am not crazy.
>>>
>>>Are you sure?
>>
>>Hmmmmm. Maybe you are right.
>>
>>>You should welcome God's special brain disorder.
>>
>>You mean Satan's. No thanks.
>
>God designed our brain.
>
>>>>>>>>Nowhere does the Bible say GOD WANTED ADAM to be able to corrupt
>>>>>>>>himself. That is not what God wanted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You said it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Where?
>>>>>
>>>>>4 lines above. You wrote,
>>>>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>>>
>>>>But it doesn't say God wanted that.
>>>
>>>You said,
>>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>
>>That's exactly what happened. Maybe you are finally getting it.
>
>God did not make an error. Adam was exactly as God wanted.
>
>>>>>God must have reasons for designing our brain that way.
>>>>
>>>>Jesus turned out great.
>>>>
>>>>And God designed his perfect brain.
>>>>
>>>>The rest
>>>>of us have a corrupted brain, but not so bad that we can't control it.
>>>
>>>Why did God not make us all like Jesus?
>>
>>In the beginning, He did! Adam and Eve were perfect, just like Jesus.
>>Jesus also had free will, but he didn't misuse it like Adam did.
>
>What was different about Jesus?
>
>>>>>>disobeyed God.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thus making God responsible for all our problems.
>>>>
>>>>If you start that lawnmower up with no oil, it is not the
>>>>manufacture's responsibility, but the user.
>>>
>>>God created the user.
>>
>>But with a free will.
>
>Therefore God is responsible for the way the mower is used.
>
>>>>>>>>>>(2 Samuel 22:31) The way of the true God is perfect; The saying of
>>>>>>>>>>Jehovah is refined. He is a shield to all those taking refuge in him.
>>>>>
>>>>>Refuge from what?
>>>>
>>>>From anything spiritually harmful.
>>>
>>>Did God create spiritually harmful things?
>>
>>Absolutely not.
>
>What do we need refuge from?
>
>>Those things are generated by the Devil and all his accomplices.
>
>So we need refuge from God?
>
>>>>>Adam's defiance did allow us to rise above our God given instincts.
>>>>
>>>>And that is why the world is so screwed up.
>>>
>>>We are doing so much better than when we relied on God.
>>
>>Oh really? Do all humans on this planet have plenty to eat? Do all
>>humans live in a paradise? Do all of those who want mates, have them?
>>Are all humans 100% healthy? Do all humans have enjoyable work?
>>
>>Those were the things Adam and Eve were 'born' into.
>>
>>>We even have medicine to control panic attacks.
>>
>>It doesn't work the same for everyone. For many, if you take it a long
>>time, it no longer has any effect.
>
>God will not let you escape your punishment.
>
>>>>>>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>>>>>>problems as other mammals?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>>>>>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Talk to Adam. We are the way we are because of him.
>>>>>
>>>>>I was hoping you would tell me why God made Adam that way.
>>>>
>>>>Why do they make lawnmowers that can burn up an engine if one starts
>>>>it up with no oil?
>>>
>>>Can we get back to that?
>>>I was hoping you would tell me why God made Adam that way.
>>
>>Please be specific.
>
>Why did God make Adam with the ability to do us harm?
>
>>>>God gave Adam a perfect start in life. He and Eve could have lived
>>>>forever on a paradise earth, and have the whole world as their
>>>>relatives. But he threw all of that away. So here we are today.
>>>
>>>Why did God do such a terrible thing?
>>
>>If God wanted to do something terrible, you would know it.
>
>We do know it.
>Why did God give Adam the ability to cause harm?
>
>>>>>>If the Creator of all matter wanted to do terrible things to us, you
>>>>>>would know it; that is, if you survived.
>>>>>
>>>>>We do know it.
>>>>
>>>>God could make every atom in your body ache and do things the Devil
>>>>would only dream of doing. No, God is not causing you harm.
>>>
>>>God is causing you harm with panic attacks.
>>
>>I give Adam 100% credit for my panic attacks.
>
>How did Adam come to be?
>
>>>>The Devil
>>>>looks to us like we look at roaches. Disgusting and deserved to be
>>>>stepped on.
>>>
>>>Replace The Devil with God.
>>
>>That will soon happen, when God throws the Devil into the symbolic
>>lake of fire.
>
>Is that where the symbolic Adam and Eve are?
>
>>>>>Is it safe for you to be so critical of God?
>>>>
>>>>If I was critical of God you would know it.
>>>
>>>I do know it.
>>
>>You may think you do.
>
>I do know it.
>
>>>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>>>
>>>>How a person uses that brain, can determine how good things go.
>>>
>>>Our brain determines how we use our brain.
>>>
>>
>>Sounds logical.
>>
>>>>If one
>>>>immerses it in alcohol and illegal drugs, they will have to pay the
>>>>consequences.
>
>Why did God design our brain such that it is affected by drugs?
Sincerely James
A much better earth is coming
Lucifer
Jul 25, 2022, 8:20:04 PM7/25/22
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 15:38:12 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 22:40:12 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>I was asking why God wants us to sear our conscience.
>
>He doesn't.
I must have misunderstood you.
>On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 22:40:12 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>I was asking why God wants us to sear our conscience.
>
>He doesn't.
You wrote,
"They follow their conscience. If they haven't seared it, it can guide
them through most things."
them through most things."
>>Either you do or don't know why God does stupid things.
>
>I don't because He don't.
He don't?
>
>I don't because He don't.
I must have misunderstood the words of the bible and the state
of the world.
>>Notice God says,
>>"I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>>God does Not say,
>>"Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>
>True. Eve caused that punishment done to her because she disobeyed
>God.
>Why did God give Adam the ability to harm us?
>
>God has the right to test His Creation.
>>What makes you think God's wisdom is much higher than mine?
>
>Can you resurrect some one?
What makes you think God's wisdom is much higher than mine?
>>As someone who has panic attacks forced on him you should
>>be able to understand Adam's position.
>
>I have a medical condition.
God designed our brain.
>>be able to understand Adam's position.
>
>I have a medical condition.
>>>>>Most all your "God" create questions don't apply to now, since Adam's
>>>>>blunder.
>>>>
>>>>That's not true.
>>>
>>>I only speak the truth as I know it.
>>
>>My questions apply to now.
>
>What questions?
"Most all your "God" create questions don't apply to now, since Adam's
blunder."
blunder."
>>>>You should welcome God's special brain disorder.
>>>
>>>You mean Satan's. No thanks.
>>
>>God designed our brain.
>
>True, but just not the brains of today.
Who or what designed the brains of today?
>>>
>>>You mean Satan's. No thanks.
>>
>>God designed our brain.
>
>True, but just not the brains of today.
>>>>You said,
>>>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>>
>>>That's exactly what happened. Maybe you are finally getting it.
>>
>>God did not make an error. Adam was exactly as God wanted.
>
>The Bible nowhere says that.
Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible,
but with God all things are possible.”
>>What was different about Jesus?
>
>Among many other things, Jesus was PERFECT.
>>>>>If you start that lawnmower up with no oil, it is not the
>>>>>manufacture's responsibility, but the user.
>>>>
>>>>God created the user.
>>>
>>>But with a free will.
>>
>>Therefore God is responsible for the way the mower is used.
>
>Then you also must believe all Ford wrecks are the fault of the FMC.
>>>>>>>>>>>(2 Samuel 22:31) The way of the true God is perfect; The saying of
>>>>>>>>>>>Jehovah is refined. He is a shield to all those taking refuge in him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Refuge from what?
>>>>>
>>>>>From anything spiritually harmful.
>>>>
>>>>Did God create spiritually harmful things?
>>>
>>>Absolutely not.
>>
>>What do we need refuge from?
>
>The Devil and ourselves.
>>>Those things are generated by the Devil and all his accomplices.
So we need refuge from God?
>>Why did God make Adam with the ability to do us harm?
>
>Adam was responsible for the whole human race. It was his own doing.
Why did God make Adam with the ability to do us harm?
>
>Adam was responsible for the whole human race. It was his own doing.
Why did God make Adam with the ability to do us harm?
>>>>God is causing you harm with panic attacks.
>>>
>>>I give Adam 100% credit for my panic attacks.
>>
>>How did Adam come to be?
>>
>By God forming him from the dust of the earth.
>>>
>>>I give Adam 100% credit for my panic attacks.
>>
>>How did Adam come to be?
>>
>By God forming him from the dust of the earth.
Why did God make Adam with the ability to do us harm?
>>>>>The Devil
>>>>>looks to us like we look at roaches. Disgusting and deserved to be
>>>>>stepped on.
>>>>
>>>>Replace The Devil with God.
>>>
>>>That will soon happen, when God throws the Devil into the symbolic
>>>lake of fire.
>>
>>Is that where the symbolic Adam and Eve are?
>
>They sinned against the Holy Spirit. Thus they cease to exist.
>
>>
>>>>>>Is it safe for you to be so critical of God?
>>>>>
>>>>>If I was critical of God you would know it.
>>>>
>>>>I do know it.
>>>
>>>You may think you do.
>>
>>I do know it.
>
>Name one example where I was critical of God?
You wrote,
>>>>>looks to us like we look at roaches. Disgusting and deserved to be
>>>>>stepped on.
>>>>
>>>>Replace The Devil with God.
>>>
>>>That will soon happen, when God throws the Devil into the symbolic
>>>lake of fire.
>>
>>Is that where the symbolic Adam and Eve are?
>
>They sinned against the Holy Spirit. Thus they cease to exist.
>
>>
>>>>>>Is it safe for you to be so critical of God?
>>>>>
>>>>>If I was critical of God you would know it.
>>>>
>>>>I do know it.
>>>
>>>You may think you do.
>>
>>I do know it.
>
>Name one example where I was critical of God?
"They sinned against the Holy Spirit. Thus they cease to exist."
>>>>>If one
>>>>>immerses it in alcohol and illegal drugs, they will have to pay the
>>>>>consequences.
>>
>>Why did God design our brain such that it is affected by drugs?
>
>Wen are not supposed to take illegal drugs.
Why did God make it desirable for Wen to take illegal drugs?
>>>>>immerses it in alcohol and illegal drugs, they will have to pay the
>>>>>consequences.
>>
>>Why did God design our brain such that it is affected by drugs?
>
>Wen are not supposed to take illegal drugs.
>Sincerely James
>A much better earth is coming
God that brought you this earth.
zeb...@windstream.net
Jul 26, 2022, 9:03:52 PM7/26/22
to
On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 10:19:57 +1000, Lucifer
<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 15:38:12 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 22:40:12 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>>I was asking why God wants us to sear our conscience.
>>
>>He doesn't.
>
>I must have misunderstood you.
>You wrote,
>"They follow their conscience. If they haven't seared it, it can guide
>them through most things."
And God doesn't want us to sear it.
<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 15:38:12 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 22:40:12 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>>I was asking why God wants us to sear our conscience.
>>
>>He doesn't.
>
>I must have misunderstood you.
>You wrote,
>"They follow their conscience. If they haven't seared it, it can guide
>them through most things."
He gave it to us for a reason.
>
>>>Either you do or don't know why God does stupid things.
>>
>>I don't because He don't.
>
>He don't?
>I must have misunderstood the words of the bible and the state
>of the world.
>
>>>Notice God says,
>>>"I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>>>God does Not say,
>>>"Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>>
>>True. Eve caused that punishment done to her because she disobeyed
>>God.
>
>Why did God punish you with panic attacks?
>
>>Why did God give Adam the ability to harm us?
>>
>>God has the right to test His Creation.
>
>But not the need. Surely God knows how He made everything.
sacrifice.
>
>>>What makes you think God's wisdom is much higher than mine?
>>
>>Can you resurrect some one?
>
>No.
>
>What makes you think God's wisdom is much higher than mine?
>
>>>As someone who has panic attacks forced on him you should
>>>be able to understand Adam's position.
>>
>>I have a medical condition.
>
>God designed our brain.
brains we have today are not the exact same as was in the beginning.
>
>>>>>>Most all your "God" create questions don't apply to now, since Adam's
>>>>>>blunder.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's not true.
>>>>
>>>>I only speak the truth as I know it.
>>>
>>>My questions apply to now.
>>
>>What questions?
>
>You wrote,
>"Most all your "God" create questions don't apply to now, since Adam's
>blunder."
>
>>>>>You should welcome God's special brain disorder.
>>>>
>>>>You mean Satan's. No thanks.
>>>
>>>God designed our brain.
>>
>>True, but just not the brains of today.
>
>Who or what designed the brains of today?
didn't design them. By his actions, he CORRUPTED them.
>
>>>>>You said,
>>>>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>>>
>>>>That's exactly what happened. Maybe you are finally getting it.
>>>
>>>God did not make an error. Adam was exactly as God wanted.
>>
>>The Bible nowhere says that.
>
>(Matthew 19:26)
>Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible,
>but with God all things are possible.”
are within His superior morality.
>
>>>What was different about Jesus?
>>
>>Among many other things, Jesus was PERFECT.
>
>How was Jesus being perfect different from us being perfect?
Jesus used to read minds, perhaps that would be a thing we would have.
Jesus performed miracles, but God was behind that. Jesus never made an
error. That is something we would have. Etc, etc.
>
>>>>>>If you start that lawnmower up with no oil, it is not the
>>>>>>manufacture's responsibility, but the user.
>>>>>
>>>>>God created the user.
>>>>
>>>>But with a free will.
>>>
>>>Therefore God is responsible for the way the mower is used.
>>
>>Then you also must believe all Ford wrecks are the fault of the FMC.
>
>Did the FMC design and create the user?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>(2 Samuel 22:31) The way of the true God is perfect; The saying of
>>>>>>>>>>>>Jehovah is refined. He is a shield to all those taking refuge in him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Refuge from what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>From anything spiritually harmful.
>>>>>
>>>>>Did God create spiritually harmful things?
>>>>
>>>>Absolutely not.
>>>
>>>What do we need refuge from?
>>
>>The Devil and ourselves.
>
>You said God did not create spiritually harmful things.
>
>>>>Those things are generated by the Devil and all his accomplices.
>
>So we need refuge from God?
>
>>>Why did God make Adam with the ability to do us harm?
>>
>>Adam was responsible for the whole human race. It was his own doing.
>
>Why did God make Adam with the ability to do us harm?
>
>>>>>God is causing you harm with panic attacks.
>>>>
>>>>I give Adam 100% credit for my panic attacks.
>>>
>>>How did Adam come to be?
>>>
>>By God forming him from the dust of the earth.
>
>Why did God make Adam with the ability to do us harm?
>
>>>>>>The Devil
>>>>>>looks to us like we look at roaches. Disgusting and deserved to be
>>>>>>stepped on.
>>>>>
>>>>>Replace The Devil with God.
>>>>
>>>>That will soon happen, when God throws the Devil into the symbolic
>>>>lake of fire.
>>>
>>>Is that where the symbolic Adam and Eve are?
>>
>>They sinned against the Holy Spirit. Thus they cease to exist.
>>
>>>
>>>>>>>Is it safe for you to be so critical of God?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If I was critical of God you would know it.
>>>>>
>>>>>I do know it.
>>>>
>>>>You may think you do.
>>>
>>>I do know it.
>>
>>Name one example where I was critical of God?
>
>You wrote,
>"They sinned against the Holy Spirit. Thus they cease to exist."
I simply state what the Bible teaches us.
>
>>>>>>If one
>>>>>>immerses it in alcohol and illegal drugs, they will have to pay the
>>>>>>consequences.
>>>
>>>Why did God design our brain such that it is affected by drugs?
>>
>>Wen are not supposed to take illegal drugs.
>
>Why did God make it desirable for Wen to take illegal drugs?
>
>>Sincerely James
>>A much better earth is coming
>
>A much better earth brought to you by the same unchanging
>God that brought you this earth.
approve of homosexuality. And neither does He in the NT. His morality
always stays the same.
Sincerely James
A much better earth is coming
Lucifer
Jul 27, 2022, 2:01:08 AM7/27/22
to
On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 21:03:49 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 10:19:57 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 15:38:12 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 22:40:12 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>I was asking why God wants us to sear our conscience.
>>>
>>>He doesn't.
>>
>>I must have misunderstood you.
>>You wrote,
>>"They follow their conscience. If they haven't seared it, it can guide
>>them through most things."
>
>And God doesn't want us to sear it.
If God doesn't want us to sear our conscience then we won't.
>On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 10:19:57 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 15:38:12 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 22:40:12 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>I was asking why God wants us to sear our conscience.
>>>
>>>He doesn't.
>>
>>I must have misunderstood you.
>>You wrote,
>>"They follow their conscience. If they haven't seared it, it can guide
>>them through most things."
>
>And God doesn't want us to sear it.
>He gave it to us for a reason.
>>>>Either you do or don't know why God does stupid things.
>>>
>>>I don't because He don't.
>>
>>He don't?
>>I must have misunderstood the words of the bible and the state
>>of the world.
>
>Yes you do. If you really understood you would comment like you do.
>>>>Notice God says,
>>>>"I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>>>>God does Not say,
>>>>"Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>>>
>>>True. Eve caused that punishment done to her because she disobeyed
>>>God.
>>
>>Why did God punish you with panic attacks?
>
>The question is moot since He doesn't.
>>>Why did God give Adam the ability to harm us?
>>>
>>>God has the right to test His Creation.
>>
>>But not the need. Surely God knows how He made everything.
>
>Yes, and it is for that reason why He gave His Son as a ransom
>sacrifice.
>>>>What makes you think God's wisdom is much higher than mine?
>>>
>>>Can you resurrect some one?
>>
>>No.
>>
>>What makes you think God's wisdom is much higher than mine?
>
>Can you create a star? A planet? A galaxy? A life form?
much higher than mine?
>>>>As someone who has panic attacks forced on him you should
>>>>be able to understand Adam's position.
>>>
>>>I have a medical condition.
>>
>>God designed our brain.
>
>God designed Adam's and Eve's brain. Because of disobedience, the
>brains we have today are not the exact same as was in the beginning.
you accept that He did.
>>>>>>>Most all your "God" create questions don't apply to now, since Adam's
>>>>>>>blunder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's not true.
>>>>>
>>>>>I only speak the truth as I know it.
>>>>
>>>>My questions apply to now.
>>>
>>>What questions?
>>
>>You wrote,
>>"Most all your "God" create questions don't apply to now, since Adam's
>>blunder."
>
>What questions?
You wrote,
"Most all your "God" create questions don't apply to now, since Adam's
blunder."
>>>>>>You should welcome God's special brain disorder.
>>>>>
>>>>>You mean Satan's. No thanks.
>>>>
>>>>God designed our brain.
>>>
>>>True, but just not the brains of today.
>>
>>Who or what designed the brains of today?
>
>Adam caused our brains of today. (and our bodies of today) But he
>didn't design them. By his actions, he CORRUPTED them.
>>>>>>You said,
>>>>>>"Adam was not created with an error. ADAM CORRUPTED HIMSELF!"
>>>>>
>>>>>That's exactly what happened. Maybe you are finally getting it.
>>>>
>>>>God did not make an error. Adam was exactly as God wanted.
>>>
>>>The Bible nowhere says that.
>>
>>(Matthew 19:26)
>>Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible,
>>but with God all things are possible.”
>
>That is a true statement with the understanding that the "all things"
>are within His superior morality.
You said God must have made Adam that way.
>>>>What was different about Jesus?
>>>
>>>Among many other things, Jesus was PERFECT.
>>
>>How was Jesus being perfect different from us being perfect?
>
>No one living today knows exactly what a perfect human being is like.
>Jesus used to read minds, perhaps that would be a thing we would have.
>Jesus performed miracles, but God was behind that. Jesus never made an
>error. That is something we would have. Etc, etc.
medical information.
>>>>>>>If you start that lawnmower up with no oil, it is not the
>>>>>>>manufacture's responsibility, but the user.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God created the user.
>>>>>
>>>>>But with a free will.
>>>>
>>>>Therefore God is responsible for the way the mower is used.
>>>
>>>Then you also must believe all Ford wrecks are the fault of the FMC.
>>
>>Did the FMC design and create the user?
>
>That would be out of their expertise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>(2 Samuel 22:31) The way of the true God is perfect; The saying of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jehovah is refined. He is a shield to all those taking refuge in him.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Refuge from what?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From anything spiritually harmful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Did God create spiritually harmful things?
>>>>>
>>>>>Absolutely not.
>>>>
>>>>What do we need refuge from?
>>>
>>>The Devil and ourselves.
>>
>>You said God did not create spiritually harmful things.
>
>Correct.
>>>>>Those things are generated by the Devil and all his accomplices.
>>
>>So we need refuge from God?
>
>No, we need refuge to God.
>>>>Why did God make Adam with the ability to do us harm?
>>>
>>>Adam was responsible for the whole human race. It was his own doing.
>>
>>Why did God make Adam with the ability to do us harm?
>
>Good question. We know He did, but just don't know why.
>>>>>>God is causing you harm with panic attacks.
>>>>>
>>>>>I give Adam 100% credit for my panic attacks.
>>>>
>>>>How did Adam come to be?
>>>>
>>>By God forming him from the dust of the earth.
>>
>>Why did God make Adam with the ability to do us harm?
>
>I don't know. The Bible is silent on that matter that I know of.
>>>>>>>The Devil
>>>>>>>looks to us like we look at roaches. Disgusting and deserved to be
>>>>>>>stepped on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Replace The Devil with God.
>>>>>
>>>>>That will soon happen, when God throws the Devil into the symbolic
>>>>>lake of fire.
>>>>
>>>>Is that where the symbolic Adam and Eve are?
>>>
>>>They sinned against the Holy Spirit. Thus they cease to exist.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Is it safe for you to be so critical of God?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If I was critical of God you would know it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I do know it.
>>>>>
>>>>>You may think you do.
>>>>
>>>>I do know it.
>>>
>>>Name one example where I was critical of God?
>>
>>You wrote,
>>"They sinned against the Holy Spirit. Thus they cease to exist."
>
>To be critical means to assign wrongdoing to someone. I don't do that.
>I simply state what the Bible teaches us.
>>>>>>>If one
>>>>>>>immerses it in alcohol and illegal drugs, they will have to pay the
>>>>>>>consequences.
>>>>
>>>>Why did God design our brain such that it is affected by drugs?
>>>
>>>Wen are not supposed to take illegal drugs.
>>
>>Why did God make it desirable for Wen to take illegal drugs?
>
>Who is Wen? Unless it is a typo.
"Wen are not supposed to take illegal drugs."
Why did God make mammals susceptible to drugs?
>>>Sincerely James
>>>A much better earth is coming
>>
>>A much better earth brought to you by the same unchanging
>>God that brought you this earth.
>
>God's MORAL qualities do not change. For example, in the OT God didn't
>approve of homosexuality. And neither does He in the NT.
homosexuality in the design of our brain?
>His morality always stays the same.
>Sincerely James
>A much better earth is coming
>See what the Bible says
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