DataRat on Schleiermacher
Kevin T Rice
"Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear, nor are they one among
Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern
them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house." - J.R.R. Tolkien
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On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, The DataRat wrote:
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> The Love God
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> Schleiermacher anticipated the New Agers and the
> biblical-decontructionists by almost a century and
> a
> half. Like them, he could read the entire
> Scriptures
> seeing only "God is love"...and completely missing
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> Exodus 20:5, Psalms 11:7, 9:6, 1 Samuel 2:2, Nahum
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> 1:2, et. al. !
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> Schleiermacher just ignored the frequent
> references
> in Scripture about God's justice and holiness.
> He
> insisted ...instead... that his one-dimensional,
> cardboard god's love be viewed unconditionally,
> and
> that we "dismiss all specific opinions" regarding
> it !
I know I've said this before, and I am going to sound like a broken
record, but...
Does anyone who believes that God's love is a weak, mamby-pamby
Grandfatherly tolerance have kids themselves? Do they even have PARENTS?
Where do they come from, anyway?
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> Sounds like sappy New Age philosophy, huh ?
> Well, Schleiermacher's ideas turned many
> mainstream
> confessional churches of the past to the "social
> gospel"
> they currently have replaced Christ with.
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> The DataRat
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> NEXT: Man Exalted, God Denied !
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Kevin T Rice
"Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear, nor are they one among
Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern
them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house." - J.R.R. Tolkien
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On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, The DataRat wrote:
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> The Gospel According
> to Schleiermacher
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> All heresies begin with distortion of the Bible.
> Schleiermacher ruthlessly
> tortured Scripture in an attempt to get it to
> confess that it really doesn't
> mean what it says.
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> In blatant contradiction to Scripture,
> Schleiermacher stated that Jesus'
> disciples "felt a need in themselves to support
> him and consult him".
> ( John 15:16 says: "You did not choose Me, but I
> chose you" -NASB. )
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> Schleiermacher depicted the Sadducees as
> Bible-believers, albeit
> Matthew 22:23 explicitly states that those guys
> didn't even
> believe in an afterlife !
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> And, for him, the Old Testament was NOT something
> he ought to
> subject his congregation to hearing.
> Schleiermacher thought the
> OT represents "an alien consciousness" not
> suitable for Christians !
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> More important than particular examples of his
> creative exegesis
> is Schleiermacher's principle that the Bible
> represents whatever
> we want it to represent.
Did Schliermacher influence, or was he influenced, by Rudolf Bultmann's
notion of "eisegesis" (in which the postmodern existentialism of Martin
Heidegger is deliberately read into the gospels to consciously force it to
mean that, as opposed to exegesis, which Rudy declared impossible in
principle).
> Sound similar to
> anything you hear
> from PoMo's today ?
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> The Word of God never stood between Schleiermacher
> and exegesis.
> He condemned anyone who honestly interpreted the
> Bible as
> following the dead "letter" -rather than the
> spirit. ( Schleiermacher,
> of course, deciding what was letter and what was
> spirit ! )
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> The DataRat
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> NEXT: Back to the Future -the First Pomo !
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Kevin T Rice
"Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear, nor are they one among
Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern
them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house." - J.R.R. Tolkien
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On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, The DataRat wrote:
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> The First PoMo
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> Schleiermacher's theology stressed all-inclusive
> tolerance,
> and disdained divisiveness. Unity and
> tranquility having
> greater weight than the truth. But, like good
> Post-Modernists
> today, Schleiermacher was a rank hypocrite: It
> was OK for
> him to criticize others for being critical !
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> In summary:
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> Schleiermacher's legacy is proof that "Error
> begets error".
> Play fast and loose with Biblical exegesis, value
> harmony
> and unity more than the Truth, center religion
> around the
> creature rather than the Creator ...and, 150 years
> later
> you got Post-Modernism !
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> The DataRat
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No doubt Schliermacher had an influence, possible even a very
considerable one, but there were (as I doubt you would deny) a good many
other influences that helped postmodernism spring up like an ironic
Ignorance Bush seeded by the Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil. David
Hume, for example (as I will be arguing this semester in one of my term
paper), was a great example of a proto-post modernist, proving that
Lyotard was right when he said that, from the beginning, modernism has
always contained its postmodern moment.
Your philosophical friend,
Kevin
Kevin T Rice
"Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear, nor are they one among
Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern
them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house." - J.R.R. Tolkien
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On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, The DataRat wrote:
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> "Did Schliermacher influence, or was
> he influenced, by..."
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> DatRat dunno. Just started studying
> Schleiermacher in-depth.
I'll get back to you on this and let you know. I'm curious now. First
I'll check the dates. Not that THAT is determinative necessarily. Neither
had to get their ideas from each other. They BOTH were publishing
for Hell, Inc., anyway.
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> DR
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Kevin T Rice
"Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear, nor are they one among
Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern
them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house." - J.R.R. Tolkien
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On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, The DataRat wrote:
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> "...from the beginning, modernism has
> always contained its postmodern moment."
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> Agreed.
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> "No doubt Schliermacher had an influence..."
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> Mainly in protestantism. You have your's in
> the RCC.
If and when the Catholic Church flushes all Her modernist and
postmodernist pseudo-scholars out of Her universities, you *WILL* hear
Ross Perot's Giant Sucking Sound!
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> The DataRat
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The DataRat
"...from the beginning, modernism has
always contained its postmodern moment."
Agreed.
"No doubt Schliermacher had an influence..."
Mainly in protestantism. You have your's in
the RCC.
The DataRat
The DataRat
"Did Schliermacher influence, or was
he influenced, by..."
DatRat dunno. Just started studying
Schleiermacher in-depth.
DR
The DataRat
"They BOTH were publishing
for Hell, Inc., anyway."
Mr. Rice, you are a man after
The DataRat's own heart !
DR