An abortion woman

[zeb...@windstream.net]

An abortion woman

I just saw a video the other day of a woman who was an abortionist for
many years. Recently she aborted a boy fetus and she had a 4 year old
boy at home, and it just hit her hard on what she was doing. She now
is an advocate against abortion.

She said how it was basically done was a suction tube was inserted up
the vagina till it reached the fetus. Then it was turned on and it
broke up the fetus into little pieces and through the tube to the
outside. Then the woman was told to count the pieces and make sure
there was two legs and 2 arms a torso, a head etc, so that nothing was
left inside. What a terrible scene.

Those woman undergoing that say that they have the right to say what
happens to their body. They forget about the little body inside of
them. And what about suicide? By law, they are not allowed to have a
physician attended suicide. Or they are not allowed to strip off all
their clothes and walk down the street naked. It's their body, but
they are not allowed to do those things to it.

Of course Scripturally that is murder, since God even considers an
embryo a person. (not just a blob of cells):

-- New Jerusalem with Apocrypha
Psalms 139:16 Your eyes could see my embryo.
In your book all my days were inscribed,
every one that was fixed is there.

Sincerely James
Prices being raised all over
See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org

[Lucifer]

On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 16:07:53 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>An abortion woman
>
>I just saw a video the other day of a woman who was an abortionist for
>many years. Recently she aborted a boy fetus and she had a 4 year old
>boy at home, and it just hit her hard on what she was doing. She now
>is an advocate against abortion.

I read a book about a God that has been causing abortions
for thousands of years.
It's called the bible.

>She said how it was basically done was a suction tube was inserted up
>the vagina till it reached the fetus. Then it was turned on and it
>broke up the fetus into little pieces and through the tube to the
>outside. Then the woman was told to count the pieces and make sure
>there was two legs and 2 arms a torso, a head etc, so that nothing was
>left inside. What a terrible scene.

You saw this in a JW video?

Have you seen any videos on the effect on women of stillbirths?

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 09:26:05 +1000, Lucifer
<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 16:07:53 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>An abortion woman
>>
>>I just saw a video the other day of a woman who was an abortionist for
>>many years. Recently she aborted a boy fetus and she had a 4 year old
>>boy at home, and it just hit her hard on what she was doing. She now
>>is an advocate against abortion.
>
>I read a book about a God that has been causing abortions
>for thousands of years.
>It's called the bible.

Substitute the word "God" for "Adam", and you will have the truth.

>
>>She said how it was basically done was a suction tube was inserted up
>>the vagina till it reached the fetus. Then it was turned on and it
>>broke up the fetus into little pieces and through the tube to the
>>outside. Then the woman was told to count the pieces and make sure
>>there was two legs and 2 arms a torso, a head etc, so that nothing was
>>left inside. What a terrible scene.
>
>You saw this in a JW video?

No, it wasn't a JW video.

>
>Have you seen any videos on the effect on women of stillbirths?

I am sure there are cases where it is either the mother's life, or the
baby's life. This was not one of those cases.

[Lucifer]

On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 14:49:17 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 09:26:05 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 16:07:53 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>An abortion woman
>>>
>>>I just saw a video the other day of a woman who was an abortionist for
>>>many years. Recently she aborted a boy fetus and she had a 4 year old
>>>boy at home, and it just hit her hard on what she was doing. She now
>>>is an advocate against abortion.
>>
>>I read a book about a God that has been causing abortions
>>for thousands of years.
>>It's called the bible.
>
>Substitute the word "God" for "Adam", and you will have the truth.

When God causes an abortion it's called a stillbirth.

>>>She said how it was basically done was a suction tube was inserted up
>>>the vagina till it reached the fetus. Then it was turned on and it
>>>broke up the fetus into little pieces and through the tube to the
>>>outside. Then the woman was told to count the pieces and make sure
>>>there was two legs and 2 arms a torso, a head etc, so that nothing was
>>>left inside. What a terrible scene.
>>
>>You saw this in a JW video?
>
>No, it wasn't a JW video.
>
>>
>>Have you seen any videos on the effect on women of stillbirths?
>
>I am sure there are cases where it is either the mother's life, or the
>baby's life. This was not one of those cases.

"What Is Stillbirth? Stillbirth is the delivery, after the 20th week
of pregnancy, of a baby who has died. Loss of a baby before the
20th week of pregnancy is called a miscarriage. A baby is stillborn
in about 1 in 200 pregnancies."

In some species including humans it is possible for a female to
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
What sort of "design" is that?

>>>Those woman undergoing that say that they have the right to say what
>>>happens to their body. They forget about the little body inside of
>>>them. And what about suicide? By law, they are not allowed to have a
>>>physician attended suicide. Or they are not allowed to strip off all
>>>their clothes and walk down the street naked. It's their body, but
>>>they are not allowed to do those things to it.
>>>
>>>Of course Scripturally that is murder, since God even considers an
>>>embryo a person. (not just a blob of cells):

Have you considered the effect God causing so many abortions
has on the mothers?

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 05:45:56 +1000, Lucifer

<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 14:49:17 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 09:26:05 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 16:07:53 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>An abortion woman
>>>>
>>>>I just saw a video the other day of a woman who was an abortionist for
>>>>many years. Recently she aborted a boy fetus and she had a 4 year old
>>>>boy at home, and it just hit her hard on what she was doing. She now
>>>>is an advocate against abortion.
>>>
>>>I read a book about a God that has been causing abortions
>>>for thousands of years.
>>>It's called the bible.
>>
>>Substitute the word "God" for "Adam", and you will have the truth.
>
>When God causes an abortion it's called a stillbirth.

God doesn't cause abortions:

(James 1:13) When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by
God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself
try anyone.

>
>>>>She said how it was basically done was a suction tube was inserted up
>>>>the vagina till it reached the fetus. Then it was turned on and it
>>>>broke up the fetus into little pieces and through the tube to the
>>>>outside. Then the woman was told to count the pieces and make sure
>>>>there was two legs and 2 arms a torso, a head etc, so that nothing was
>>>>left inside. What a terrible scene.
>>>
>>>You saw this in a JW video?
>>
>>No, it wasn't a JW video.
>>
>>>
>>>Have you seen any videos on the effect on women of stillbirths?
>>
>>I am sure there are cases where it is either the mother's life, or the
>>baby's life. This was not one of those cases.
>
>"What Is Stillbirth? Stillbirth is the delivery, after the 20th week
>of pregnancy, of a baby who has died. Loss of a baby before the
>20th week of pregnancy is called a miscarriage. A baby is stillborn
>in about 1 in 200 pregnancies."

They are all caused by random chance working in our imperfections.

>
>In some species including humans it is possible for a female to
>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>What sort of "design" is that?

That is imperfect humans taken advantage of underage girls. They are
the ones getting her pregnant, not God.

>
>>>>Those woman undergoing that say that they have the right to say what
>>>>happens to their body. They forget about the little body inside of
>>>>them. And what about suicide? By law, they are not allowed to have a
>>>>physician attended suicide. Or they are not allowed to strip off all
>>>>their clothes and walk down the street naked. It's their body, but
>>>>they are not allowed to do those things to it.
>>>>
>>>>Of course Scripturally that is murder, since God even considers an
>>>>embryo a person. (not just a blob of cells):
>
>Have you considered the effect God causing so many abortions
>has on the mothers?

Actually it was the disobedient Adam who has caused them.

Sincerely James
Prices being raised all over
See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org

>

[Lucifer]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 18:37:09 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 05:45:56 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 14:49:17 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 09:26:05 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 16:07:53 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>An abortion woman
>>>>>
>>>>>I just saw a video the other day of a woman who was an abortionist for
>>>>>many years. Recently she aborted a boy fetus and she had a 4 year old
>>>>>boy at home, and it just hit her hard on what she was doing. She now
>>>>>is an advocate against abortion.
>>>>
>>>>I read a book about a God that has been causing abortions
>>>>for thousands of years.
>>>>It's called the bible.
>>>
>>>Substitute the word "God" for "Adam", and you will have the truth.
>>
>>When God causes an abortion it's called a stillbirth.
>
>God doesn't cause abortions:

Tell that to a woman who has had a stillbirth.

>(James 1:13) When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by
>God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself
>try anyone.
>
>
>>
>>>>>She said how it was basically done was a suction tube was inserted up
>>>>>the vagina till it reached the fetus. Then it was turned on and it
>>>>>broke up the fetus into little pieces and through the tube to the
>>>>>outside. Then the woman was told to count the pieces and make sure
>>>>>there was two legs and 2 arms a torso, a head etc, so that nothing was
>>>>>left inside. What a terrible scene.
>>>>
>>>>You saw this in a JW video?
>>>
>>>No, it wasn't a JW video.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Have you seen any videos on the effect on women of stillbirths?
>>>
>>>I am sure there are cases where it is either the mother's life, or the
>>>baby's life. This was not one of those cases.
>>
>>"What Is Stillbirth? Stillbirth is the delivery, after the 20th week
>>of pregnancy, of a baby who has died. Loss of a baby before the
>>20th week of pregnancy is called a miscarriage. A baby is stillborn
>>in about 1 in 200 pregnancies."
>
>They are all caused by random chance working in our imperfections.

Is it murder when God causes an abortion?

>>In some species including humans it is possible for a female to
>>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>What sort of "design" is that?
>
>That is imperfect humans taken advantage of underage girls. They are
>the ones getting her pregnant, not God.

Try again.

In some species including humans it is possible for a female to
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
What sort of "design" is that?

>>>>>Those woman undergoing that say that they have the right to say what
>>>>>happens to their body. They forget about the little body inside of
>>>>>them. And what about suicide? By law, they are not allowed to have a
>>>>>physician attended suicide. Or they are not allowed to strip off all
>>>>>their clothes and walk down the street naked. It's their body, but
>>>>>they are not allowed to do those things to it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course Scripturally that is murder, since God even considers an
>>>>>embryo a person. (not just a blob of cells):
>>
>>Have you considered the effect God causing so many abortions
>>has on the mothers?
>
>Actually it was the disobedient Adam who has caused them.

That's unpossible.

Have you considered the effect God causing so many abortions
has on the mothers?

>Sincerely James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Fri, 01 Jul 2022 12:49:06 +1000, Lucifer

<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 18:37:09 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 05:45:56 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 14:49:17 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 09:26:05 +1000, Lucifer
>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 16:07:53 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>An abortion woman
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I just saw a video the other day of a woman who was an abortionist for
>>>>>>many years. Recently she aborted a boy fetus and she had a 4 year old
>>>>>>boy at home, and it just hit her hard on what she was doing. She now
>>>>>>is an advocate against abortion.
>>>>>
>>>>>I read a book about a God that has been causing abortions
>>>>>for thousands of years.
>>>>>It's called the bible.
>>>>
>>>>Substitute the word "God" for "Adam", and you will have the truth.
>>>
>>>When God causes an abortion it's called a stillbirth.
>>
>>God doesn't cause abortions:
>
>Tell that to a woman who has had a stillbirth.

I certainly would. Just as God doesn't save some people out of an
airplane crash and kills others, He has nothing to do with
stillbirths.

>
>>(James 1:13) When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by
>>God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself
>>try anyone.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>>She said how it was basically done was a suction tube was inserted up
>>>>>>the vagina till it reached the fetus. Then it was turned on and it
>>>>>>broke up the fetus into little pieces and through the tube to the
>>>>>>outside. Then the woman was told to count the pieces and make sure
>>>>>>there was two legs and 2 arms a torso, a head etc, so that nothing was
>>>>>>left inside. What a terrible scene.
>>>>>
>>>>>You saw this in a JW video?
>>>>
>>>>No, it wasn't a JW video.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Have you seen any videos on the effect on women of stillbirths?
>>>>
>>>>I am sure there are cases where it is either the mother's life, or the
>>>>baby's life. This was not one of those cases.
>>>
>>>"What Is Stillbirth? Stillbirth is the delivery, after the 20th week
>>>of pregnancy, of a baby who has died. Loss of a baby before the
>>>20th week of pregnancy is called a miscarriage. A baby is stillborn
>>>in about 1 in 200 pregnancies."
>>
>>They are all caused by random chance working in our imperfections.
>
>Is it murder when God causes an abortion?

Since He doesn't cause them, the question is moot.

>
>>>In some species including humans it is possible for a female to
>>>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>>What sort of "design" is that?
>>
>>That is imperfect humans taken advantage of underage girls. They are
>>the ones getting her pregnant, not God.
>
>Try again.
>In some species including humans it is possible for a female to
>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>What sort of "design" is that?

It is a corrupted design caused by Adam's genetics.

>
>>>>>>Those woman undergoing that say that they have the right to say what
>>>>>>happens to their body. They forget about the little body inside of
>>>>>>them. And what about suicide? By law, they are not allowed to have a
>>>>>>physician attended suicide. Or they are not allowed to strip off all
>>>>>>their clothes and walk down the street naked. It's their body, but
>>>>>>they are not allowed to do those things to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Of course Scripturally that is murder, since God even considers an
>>>>>>embryo a person. (not just a blob of cells):
>>>
>>>Have you considered the effect God causing so many abortions
>>>has on the mothers?
>>
>>Actually it was the disobedient Adam who has caused them.
>
>That's unpossible.
>Have you considered the effect God causing so many abortions
>has on the mothers?

No I haven't considered it because it's not true.

Sincerely James
The contaminated earth

See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org

>

>>Sincerely James

[Lucifer]

God designed our bodies such that stillbirths would happen, right?

>>>(James 1:13) When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by
>>>God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself
>>>try anyone.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>She said how it was basically done was a suction tube was inserted up
>>>>>>>the vagina till it reached the fetus. Then it was turned on and it
>>>>>>>broke up the fetus into little pieces and through the tube to the
>>>>>>>outside. Then the woman was told to count the pieces and make sure
>>>>>>>there was two legs and 2 arms a torso, a head etc, so that nothing was
>>>>>>>left inside. What a terrible scene.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You saw this in a JW video?
>>>>>
>>>>>No, it wasn't a JW video.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Have you seen any videos on the effect on women of stillbirths?
>>>>>
>>>>>I am sure there are cases where it is either the mother's life, or the
>>>>>baby's life. This was not one of those cases.
>>>>
>>>>"What Is Stillbirth? Stillbirth is the delivery, after the 20th week
>>>>of pregnancy, of a baby who has died. Loss of a baby before the
>>>>20th week of pregnancy is called a miscarriage. A baby is stillborn
>>>>in about 1 in 200 pregnancies."
>>>
>>>They are all caused by random chance working in our imperfections.
>>
>>Is it murder when God causes an abortion?
>
>Since He doesn't cause them, the question is moot.

God causes abortions by the way He designed our bodies, right?

>>>>In some species including humans it is possible for a female to
>>>>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>>>What sort of "design" is that?
>>>
>>>That is imperfect humans taken advantage of underage girls. They are
>>>the ones getting her pregnant, not God.
>>
>>Try again.
>>In some species including humans it is possible for a female to
>>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>What sort of "design" is that?
>
>It is a corrupted design caused by Adam's genetics.

How does that fit with a God of love?

>>>>>>>Those woman undergoing that say that they have the right to say what
>>>>>>>happens to their body. They forget about the little body inside of
>>>>>>>them. And what about suicide? By law, they are not allowed to have a
>>>>>>>physician attended suicide. Or they are not allowed to strip off all
>>>>>>>their clothes and walk down the street naked. It's their body, but
>>>>>>>they are not allowed to do those things to it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Of course Scripturally that is murder, since God even considers an
>>>>>>>embryo a person. (not just a blob of cells):
>>>>
>>>>Have you considered the effect God causing so many abortions
>>>>has on the mothers?
>>>
>>>Actually it was the disobedient Adam who has caused them.
>>
>>That's unpossible.
>>Have you considered the effect God causing so many abortions
>>has on the mothers?
>
>No I haven't considered it because it's not true.

You said God corrupted the design of Adam's genetics.

>Sincerely James
>The contaminated earth

God does what He wants.

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Tue, 05 Jul 2022 11:11:24 +1000, Lucifer

Wrong! A woman's body in the beginning, was designed to have perfect
children likely with little or no pain. Eve is the only female to have
had such a perfect body. Adam and she caused imperfections to creep
into her body, so that a stillborn could happen in our day.

>
>>>>(James 1:13) When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by
>>>>God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself
>>>>try anyone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>She said how it was basically done was a suction tube was inserted up
>>>>>>>>the vagina till it reached the fetus. Then it was turned on and it
>>>>>>>>broke up the fetus into little pieces and through the tube to the
>>>>>>>>outside. Then the woman was told to count the pieces and make sure
>>>>>>>>there was two legs and 2 arms a torso, a head etc, so that nothing was
>>>>>>>>left inside. What a terrible scene.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You saw this in a JW video?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, it wasn't a JW video.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Have you seen any videos on the effect on women of stillbirths?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am sure there are cases where it is either the mother's life, or the
>>>>>>baby's life. This was not one of those cases.
>>>>>
>>>>>"What Is Stillbirth? Stillbirth is the delivery, after the 20th week
>>>>>of pregnancy, of a baby who has died. Loss of a baby before the
>>>>>20th week of pregnancy is called a miscarriage. A baby is stillborn
>>>>>in about 1 in 200 pregnancies."
>>>>
>>>>They are all caused by random chance working in our imperfections.
>>>
>>>Is it murder when God causes an abortion?
>>
>>Since He doesn't cause them, the question is moot.
>
>God causes abortions by the way He designed our bodies, right?

Wrong again! Not the way you think. Natural abortions are a result of
the female's imperfect anatomy.

>
>>>>>In some species including humans it is possible for a female to
>>>>>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>>>>What sort of "design" is that?
>>>>
>>>>That is imperfect humans taken advantage of underage girls. They are
>>>>the ones getting her pregnant, not God.
>>>
>>>Try again.
>>>In some species including humans it is possible for a female to
>>>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>>What sort of "design" is that?
>>
>>It is a corrupted design caused by Adam's genetics.
>
>How does that fit with a God of love?

Quite well. Because God balances love with justice. Unlike today, with
many people getting away with all kinds of crimes, with God that will
never happen.

>
>>>>>>>>Those woman undergoing that say that they have the right to say what
>>>>>>>>happens to their body. They forget about the little body inside of
>>>>>>>>them. And what about suicide? By law, they are not allowed to have a
>>>>>>>>physician attended suicide. Or they are not allowed to strip off all
>>>>>>>>their clothes and walk down the street naked. It's their body, but
>>>>>>>>they are not allowed to do those things to it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Of course Scripturally that is murder, since God even considers an
>>>>>>>>embryo a person. (not just a blob of cells):
>>>>>
>>>>>Have you considered the effect God causing so many abortions
>>>>>has on the mothers?
>>>>
>>>>Actually it was the disobedient Adam who has caused them.
>>>
>>>That's unpossible.
>>>Have you considered the effect God causing so many abortions
>>>has on the mothers?
>>
>>No I haven't considered it because it's not true.
>
>You said God corrupted the design of Adam's genetics.

It was certainly built in him that if he disobeyed, he would pay a
price.

>
>>Sincerely James
>>The contaminated earth
>
>God does what He wants.

When God starts something, it is always completed.

Sincerely James
A world out of control

[Lucifer]

This is an example of how you confuse me.
It appears you are blaming Adam, a created being, but we know
that would be a travesty of justice.

>>>>>(James 1:13) When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by
>>>>>God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself
>>>>>try anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>She said how it was basically done was a suction tube was inserted up
>>>>>>>>>the vagina till it reached the fetus. Then it was turned on and it
>>>>>>>>>broke up the fetus into little pieces and through the tube to the
>>>>>>>>>outside. Then the woman was told to count the pieces and make sure
>>>>>>>>>there was two legs and 2 arms a torso, a head etc, so that nothing was
>>>>>>>>>left inside. What a terrible scene.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You saw this in a JW video?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No, it wasn't a JW video.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Have you seen any videos on the effect on women of stillbirths?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am sure there are cases where it is either the mother's life, or the
>>>>>>>baby's life. This was not one of those cases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"What Is Stillbirth? Stillbirth is the delivery, after the 20th week
>>>>>>of pregnancy, of a baby who has died. Loss of a baby before the
>>>>>>20th week of pregnancy is called a miscarriage. A baby is stillborn
>>>>>>in about 1 in 200 pregnancies."
>>>>>
>>>>>They are all caused by random chance working in our imperfections.
>>>>
>>>>Is it murder when God causes an abortion?
>>>
>>>Since He doesn't cause them, the question is moot.
>>
>>God causes abortions by the way He designed our bodies, right?
>
>Wrong again! Not the way you think. Natural abortions are a result of
>the female's imperfect anatomy.

There you go again. You appear to be contradicting yourself.
You say, God doesn't cause abortions by the way He designed our
bodies, but then you say, natural abortions are a result of the
female's imperfect anatomy, which God designed and created.

>>>>>>In some species including humans it is possible for a female to
>>>>>>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>>>>>What sort of "design" is that?
>>>>>
>>>>>That is imperfect humans taken advantage of underage girls. They are
>>>>>the ones getting her pregnant, not God.
>>>>
>>>>Try again.
>>>>In some species including humans it is possible for a female to
>>>>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>>>What sort of "design" is that?
>>>
>>>It is a corrupted design caused by Adam's genetics.
>>
>>How does that fit with a God of love?
>
>Quite well. Because God balances love with justice. Unlike today, with
>many people getting away with all kinds of crimes, with God that will
>never happen.

Another contradiction. You say, with God that will never happen,
but we are with God and that does happen.

>>>>>>>>>Those woman undergoing that say that they have the right to say what
>>>>>>>>>happens to their body. They forget about the little body inside of
>>>>>>>>>them. And what about suicide? By law, they are not allowed to have a
>>>>>>>>>physician attended suicide. Or they are not allowed to strip off all
>>>>>>>>>their clothes and walk down the street naked. It's their body, but
>>>>>>>>>they are not allowed to do those things to it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Of course Scripturally that is murder, since God even considers an
>>>>>>>>>embryo a person. (not just a blob of cells):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Have you considered the effect God causing so many abortions
>>>>>>has on the mothers?
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually it was the disobedient Adam who has caused them.
>>>>
>>>>That's unpossible.
>>>>Have you considered the effect God causing so many abortions
>>>>has on the mothers?
>>>
>>>No I haven't considered it because it's not true.
>>
>>You said God corrupted the design of Adam's genetics.
>
>It was certainly built in him that if he disobeyed, he would pay a
>price.

Why did God do such a terrible thing?

>>>Sincerely James
>>>The contaminated earth
>>
>>God does what He wants.
>
>When God starts something, it is always completed.

God does not need time to get what He wants.

>Sincerely James
>A world out of control

How did God lose control?

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Sat, 09 Jul 2022 09:49:39 +1000, Lucifer

Don't include me in your "we".

I am blaming Adam AND Eve, but primarily Adam.

You still don't get it.

You bake a cake. And put on it "Happy Anniversary". You give it to the
anniversary couple. They and their party eat most of the cake. Would
you say the cake is in the same condition it was right after it was
baked? Of course not. Neither was the physical bodies of Adam and Eve
the same after they sinned as before they sinned.

>
>>>>>>>In some species including humans it is possible for a female to
>>>>>>>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>>>>>>What sort of "design" is that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That is imperfect humans taken advantage of underage girls. They are
>>>>>>the ones getting her pregnant, not God.
>>>>>
>>>>>Try again.
>>>>>In some species including humans it is possible for a female to
>>>>>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>>>>What sort of "design" is that?
>>>>
>>>>It is a corrupted design caused by Adam's genetics.
>>>
>>>How does that fit with a God of love?
>>
>>Quite well. Because God balances love with justice. Unlike today, with
>>many people getting away with all kinds of crimes, with God that will
>>never happen.
>
>Another contradiction. You say, with God that will never happen,
>but we are with God and that does happen.

It all depends what you mean by "with God". What I mean "with God" is
when God (and Jesus) takes over full control over the earth. With God
running the show, that will never happen.

>
>>>>>>>>>>Those woman undergoing that say that they have the right to say what
>>>>>>>>>>happens to their body. They forget about the little body inside of
>>>>>>>>>>them. And what about suicide? By law, they are not allowed to have a
>>>>>>>>>>physician attended suicide. Or they are not allowed to strip off all
>>>>>>>>>>their clothes and walk down the street naked. It's their body, but
>>>>>>>>>>they are not allowed to do those things to it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Of course Scripturally that is murder, since God even considers an
>>>>>>>>>>embryo a person. (not just a blob of cells):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Have you considered the effect God causing so many abortions
>>>>>>>has on the mothers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Actually it was the disobedient Adam who has caused them.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's unpossible.
>>>>>Have you considered the effect God causing so many abortions
>>>>>has on the mothers?
>>>>
>>>>No I haven't considered it because it's not true.
>>>
>>>You said God corrupted the design of Adam's genetics.
>>
>>It was certainly built in him that if he disobeyed, he would pay a
>>price.
>
>Why did God do such a terrible thing?

God has the right to test a person's loyalty, since He created them.

>
>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>The contaminated earth
>>>
>>>God does what He wants.
>>
>>When God starts something, it is always completed.
>
>God does not need time to get what He wants.

Whether or not that is true I don't know. But probably for our sakes,
He uses time like we use time.

>
>>Sincerely James
>>A world out of control
>
>How did God lose control?

He willingly does not have full control at this time, until several
universal issues are resolved. Then He will take full control.

Sincerely James
A world out of control

[Lucifer]

I was being courteous. I know you don't mean to blame Adam.

>I am blaming Adam AND Eve, but primarily Adam.

I understand English is not your first language.
You don't want people thinking you actually blame a created being.

Now I get it.
Natural abortions are a result of the female's imperfect anatomy,

which God designed and created.

Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
problems as other mammals?

Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
before they are old enough to safely give birth?

>>>>>>>>In some species including humans it is possible for a female to
>>>>>>>>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>>>>>>>What sort of "design" is that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That is imperfect humans taken advantage of underage girls. They are
>>>>>>>the ones getting her pregnant, not God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Try again.
>>>>>>In some species including humans it is possible for a female to
>>>>>>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>>>>>What sort of "design" is that?
>>>>>
>>>>>It is a corrupted design caused by Adam's genetics.
>>>>
>>>>How does that fit with a God of love?
>>>
>>>Quite well. Because God balances love with justice. Unlike today, with
>>>many people getting away with all kinds of crimes, with God that will
>>>never happen.
>>
>>Another contradiction. You say, with God that will never happen,
>>but we are with God and that does happen.
>
>It all depends what you mean by "with God". What I mean "with God" is
>when God (and Jesus) takes over full control over the earth. With God
>running the show, that will never happen.

Are you a deist?

>>>>>>>>>>>Those woman undergoing that say that they have the right to say what
>>>>>>>>>>>happens to their body. They forget about the little body inside of
>>>>>>>>>>>them. And what about suicide? By law, they are not allowed to have a
>>>>>>>>>>>physician attended suicide. Or they are not allowed to strip off all
>>>>>>>>>>>their clothes and walk down the street naked. It's their body, but
>>>>>>>>>>>they are not allowed to do those things to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Of course Scripturally that is murder, since God even considers an
>>>>>>>>>>>embryo a person. (not just a blob of cells):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Have you considered the effect God causing so many abortions
>>>>>>>>has on the mothers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Actually it was the disobedient Adam who has caused them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's unpossible.
>>>>>>Have you considered the effect God causing so many abortions
>>>>>>has on the mothers?
>>>>>
>>>>>No I haven't considered it because it's not true.
>>>>
>>>>You said God corrupted the design of Adam's genetics.
>>>
>>>It was certainly built in him that if he disobeyed, he would pay a
>>>price.
>>
>>Why did God do such a terrible thing?
>
>God has the right to test a person's loyalty, since He created them.

Surely God knows how he made us?

>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>The contaminated earth
>>>>
>>>>God does what He wants.
>>>
>>>When God starts something, it is always completed.
>>
>>God does not need time to get what He wants.
>
>Whether or not that is true I don't know. But probably for our sakes,
>He uses time like we use time.
>
>>
>>>Sincerely James
>>>A world out of control
>>
>>How did God lose control?
>
>He willingly does not have full control at this time, until several
>universal issues are resolved. Then He will take full control.

Why would God do such a terrible thing?

>Sincerely James
>A world out of control

A James out of control.

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 16:40:15 +1000, Lucifer

Adam was the biggest serial killer ever. He only thought of himself,
not his progeny. Yes, I do mean to blame Adam 100%.

>
>>I am blaming Adam AND Eve, but primarily Adam.
>
>I understand English is not your first language.

Si si senorita.

>You don't want people thinking you actually blame a created being.

Did you blame Ted Bundy for all his rapes? Or are you a bleeding heart
for that poor guy.

Correct

>which God designed and created.

Negatrons. God baked the cake in perfect condition. Adam threw a brick
into the cake. So from then on, the cake was messed up.

>
>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>problems as other mammals?

We are not like other mammals. We were created in God's image. Thus we
have moral qualities. Animals mate with whatever is near-by. Humans
are selective,

>
>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>before they are old enough to safely give birth?

Without conception, there is no safety problem.

>
>>>>>>>>>In some species including humans it is possible for a female to
>>>>>>>>>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>>>>>>>>What sort of "design" is that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That is imperfect humans taken advantage of underage girls. They are
>>>>>>>>the ones getting her pregnant, not God.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Try again.
>>>>>>>In some species including humans it is possible for a female to
>>>>>>>conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth.
>>>>>>>What sort of "design" is that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It is a corrupted design caused by Adam's genetics.
>>>>>
>>>>>How does that fit with a God of love?
>>>>
>>>>Quite well. Because God balances love with justice. Unlike today, with
>>>>many people getting away with all kinds of crimes, with God that will
>>>>never happen.
>>>
>>>Another contradiction. You say, with God that will never happen,
>>>but we are with God and that does happen.
>>
>>It all depends what you mean by "with God". What I mean "with God" is
>>when God (and Jesus) takes over full control over the earth. With God
>>running the show, that will never happen.
>
>Are you a deist?

I don't know. Let's look it up:

"Deism. Deism or “the religion of nature” was a form of rational
theology that emerged among “freethinking” Europeans in the 17th and
18th centuries. Deists insisted that religious truth should be subject
to the authority of human reason rather than divine revelation.Feb 22,
2008" (https://www.google.com/search?q=deist&sa=Google+Search)

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Those woman undergoing that say that they have the right to say what
>>>>>>>>>>>>happens to their body. They forget about the little body inside of
>>>>>>>>>>>>them. And what about suicide? By law, they are not allowed to have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>physician attended suicide. Or they are not allowed to strip off all
>>>>>>>>>>>>their clothes and walk down the street naked. It's their body, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>they are not allowed to do those things to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Of course Scripturally that is murder, since God even considers an
>>>>>>>>>>>>embryo a person. (not just a blob of cells):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Have you considered the effect God causing so many abortions
>>>>>>>>>has on the mothers?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Actually it was the disobedient Adam who has caused them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's unpossible.
>>>>>>>Have you considered the effect God causing so many abortions
>>>>>>>has on the mothers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No I haven't considered it because it's not true.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said God corrupted the design of Adam's genetics.
>>>>
>>>>It was certainly built in him that if he disobeyed, he would pay a
>>>>price.
>>>
>>>Why did God do such a terrible thing?
>>
>>God has the right to test a person's loyalty, since He created them.
>
>Surely God knows how he made us?

Of course, and He knows that He gave us free will. So anything could
happen.

>
>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>The contaminated earth
>>>>>
>>>>>God does what He wants.
>>>>
>>>>When God starts something, it is always completed.
>>>
>>>God does not need time to get what He wants.
>>
>>Whether or not that is true I don't know. But probably for our sakes,
>>He uses time like we use time.
>>
>>>
>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>A world out of control
>>>
>>>How did God lose control?
>>
>>He willingly does not have full control at this time, until several
>>universal issues are resolved. Then He will take full control.
>
>Why would God do such a terrible thing?

Actually it is a blessed thing. When those issues are settled once and
for all, nobody can accuse God of wrongdoing. We have seen the results
down through human history of following our own path, instead of
God's.

>
>>Sincerely James
>>A world out of control
>
>A James out of control.

Yes, out of the world's control by Satan:

(1 John 5:19) We know that we originate with God, but the whole world
is lying in the power of the wicked one.

How does it feel to be controlled by the Devil? You think you are not,
but you are proving it right in these posts. The Devil hates God. And
you fall right into his hands when you discredit Almighty God.

Sincerely James
A world out of control

[Lucifer]

You said God creating Adam that way was not an error.

>>>I am blaming Adam AND Eve, but primarily Adam.
>>
>>I understand English is not your first language.
>
>Si si senorita.
>
>>You don't want people thinking you actually blame a created being.
>
>Did you blame Ted Bundy for all his rapes? Or are you a bleeding heart
>for that poor guy.

You said God designed our brain.

Adam didn't choose to mess the cake up.

>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>problems as other mammals?
>
>We are not like other mammals. We were created in God's image. Thus we
>have moral qualities. Animals mate with whatever is near-by. Humans
>are selective,

Obviously God wants us mammals to "mate with whatever is near-by."

>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>
>Without conception, there is no safety problem.

Are you saying God wants there to be safety problems?

Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
before they are old enough to safely give birth?

Deists believe God created everything but plays no further part.
You are saying God has abandoned us.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>Those woman undergoing that say that they have the right to say what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>happens to their body. They forget about the little body inside of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>them. And what about suicide? By law, they are not allowed to have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>physician attended suicide. Or they are not allowed to strip off all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>their clothes and walk down the street naked. It's their body, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>they are not allowed to do those things to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Of course Scripturally that is murder, since God even considers an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>embryo a person. (not just a blob of cells):
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Have you considered the effect God causing so many abortions
>>>>>>>>>>has on the mothers?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Actually it was the disobedient Adam who has caused them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That's unpossible.
>>>>>>>>Have you considered the effect God causing so many abortions
>>>>>>>>has on the mothers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No I haven't considered it because it's not true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You said God corrupted the design of Adam's genetics.
>>>>>
>>>>>It was certainly built in him that if he disobeyed, he would pay a
>>>>>price.
>>>>
>>>>Why did God do such a terrible thing?
>>>
>>>God has the right to test a person's loyalty, since He created them.
>>
>>Surely God knows how he made us?
>
>Of course, and He knows that He gave us free will. So anything could
>happen.

You say it was God that gave us free will?
What do we base our choices on?

Do people who have never heard of the bible have all the information
they need to make right choices?

>
>>
>>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>>The contaminated earth
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God does what He wants.
>>>>>
>>>>>When God starts something, it is always completed.
>>>>
>>>>God does not need time to get what He wants.
>>>
>>>Whether or not that is true I don't know. But probably for our sakes,
>>>He uses time like we use time.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>A world out of control
>>>>
>>>>How did God lose control?
>>>
>>>He willingly does not have full control at this time, until several
>>>universal issues are resolved. Then He will take full control.
>>
>>Why would God do such a terrible thing?
>
>Actually it is a blessed thing. When those issues are settled once and
>for all, nobody can accuse God of wrongdoing.

How will God prevent that?

>We have seen the results
>down through human history of following our own path, instead of
>God's.

Indeed we have.
We are living much longer and generally better lives.
We even have medication to control panic attacks.

>>>Sincerely James
>>>A world out of control
>>
>>A James out of control.
>
>Yes, out of the world's control by Satan:
>
>(1 John 5:19) We know that we originate with God, but the whole world
>is lying in the power of the wicked one.
>
>How does it feel to be controlled by the Devil? You think you are not,
>but you are proving it right in these posts. The Devil hates God. And
>you fall right into his hands when you discredit Almighty God.

What makes you think that?
You said God does not make mistakes so the Devil must be the
way God wants.
The bible says God will judge Himself.

>Sincerely James

Liar!

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 06:37:59 +1000, Lucifer

Correct. Because God didn't create Adam that way.

>
>>>>I am blaming Adam AND Eve, but primarily Adam.
>>>
>>>I understand English is not your first language.
>>
>>Si si senorita.
>>
>>>You don't want people thinking you actually blame a created being.
>>
>>Did you blame Ted Bundy for all his rapes? Or are you a bleeding heart
>>for that poor guy.
>
>You said God designed our brain.

Yes.

On the contrary, that's the problem. Adam make a bad choice.

>
>>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>>problems as other mammals?
>>
>>We are not like other mammals. We were created in God's image. Thus we
>>have moral qualities. Animals mate with whatever is near-by. Humans
>>are selective,
>
>Obviously God wants us mammals to "mate with whatever is near-by."

On the contrary, God had written for us 'mammals' not to fornicate or
commit adultery. He gave us good guidance. How many families have
broken up because of fornication and adultery?

>
>>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>
>>Without conception, there is no safety problem.
>
>Are you saying God wants there to be safety problems?

Of course not.

>
>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>before they are old enough to safely give birth?

Before we became imperfect, we don't know what the birth genetics
were.

That is what a deists would say. Not me. Soon God will fulfill Rev
21:3,4. Tell me then if that is abandoness.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Those woman undergoing that say that they have the right to say what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>happens to their body. They forget about the little body inside of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>them. And what about suicide? By law, they are not allowed to have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>physician attended suicide. Or they are not allowed to strip off all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>their clothes and walk down the street naked. It's their body, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>they are not allowed to do those things to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Of course Scripturally that is murder, since God even considers an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>embryo a person. (not just a blob of cells):
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Have you considered the effect God causing so many abortions
>>>>>>>>>>>has on the mothers?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Actually it was the disobedient Adam who has caused them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That's unpossible.
>>>>>>>>>Have you considered the effect God causing so many abortions
>>>>>>>>>has on the mothers?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No I haven't considered it because it's not true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You said God corrupted the design of Adam's genetics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It was certainly built in him that if he disobeyed, he would pay a
>>>>>>price.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did God do such a terrible thing?
>>>>
>>>>God has the right to test a person's loyalty, since He created them.
>>>
>>>Surely God knows how he made us?
>>
>>Of course, and He knows that He gave us free will. So anything could
>>happen.
>
>You say it was God that gave us free will?

Of course, who else?

>What do we base our choices on?

It all depends. God also gave us a conscience. That probes us when we
do something wrong. But some people have overridden it, so that they
can do bad things and not feel bad because of them.

>
>Do people who have never heard of the bible have all the information
>they need to make right choices?

Yes, the built-in conscience plays a major part. That is why some
murderers feel overwhelmed with grief, after killing.

>
>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>>>The contaminated earth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God does what He wants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When God starts something, it is always completed.
>>>>>
>>>>>God does not need time to get what He wants.
>>>>
>>>>Whether or not that is true I don't know. But probably for our sakes,
>>>>He uses time like we use time.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>A world out of control
>>>>>
>>>>>How did God lose control?
>>>>
>>>>He willingly does not have full control at this time, until several
>>>>universal issues are resolved. Then He will take full control.
>>>
>>>Why would God do such a terrible thing?
>>
>>Actually it is a blessed thing. When those issues are settled once and
>>for all, nobody can accuse God of wrongdoing.
>
>How will God prevent that?

By letting all humans see the consequences of living outside of God's
Word, the Bible.

>
>>We have seen the results
>>down through human history of following our own path, instead of
>>God's.
>
>Indeed we have.
>We are living much longer and generally better lives.
>We even have medication to control panic attacks.

We have seen many murders in these past two centuries. Wars gobble up
lives like a baby to milk. We are seeing devastating pandemics in our
day. Many more people are misusing drugs and alcohol. The prisons are
overflowing. Inflation is eating our livelihoods. Back in the 19th
century people didn't have to lock their doors. They don't dare try
that today. And etc, etc.

>
>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>A world out of control
>>>
>>>A James out of control.
>>
>>Yes, out of the world's control by Satan:
>>
>>(1 John 5:19) We know that we originate with God, but the whole world
>>is lying in the power of the wicked one.
>>
>>How does it feel to be controlled by the Devil? You think you are not,
>>but you are proving it right in these posts. The Devil hates God. And
>>you fall right into his hands when you discredit Almighty God.
>
>What makes you think that?
>You said God does not make mistakes so the Devil must be the
>way God wants.
>The bible says God will judge Himself.

You are talking nonsense. God did not create a devil. He created a
righteous angel. And God has no reason to judge Himself, since
everything He does is perfect.

>
>>Sincerely James
>
>Liar!


You didn't finish it:

Liar, liar pants on fire.


Sincerely James
Shootings out of control

[Lucifer]

I must have misunderstood you. You appeared to be saying all
our problems were caused by Adam.

Is Genesis 3:16 correct?
(Genesis 3:16) To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in
childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to
children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule
over you.”

>>>>>I am blaming Adam AND Eve, but primarily Adam.
>>>>
>>>>I understand English is not your first language.
>>>
>>>Si si senorita.
>>>
>>>>You don't want people thinking you actually blame a created being.
>>>
>>>Did you blame Ted Bundy for all his rapes? Or are you a bleeding heart
>>>for that poor guy.
>>
>>You said God designed our brain.
>
>Yes.

You said God does not make mistakes so God fully intended for
there to be the likes of Ted Bundy.

Adam chose to mess the cake up in the same way as you chose
to mess your life up with panic attacks.

>>>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>>>problems as other mammals?
>>>
>>>We are not like other mammals. We were created in God's image. Thus we
>>>have moral qualities. Animals mate with whatever is near-by. Humans
>>>are selective,
>>
>>Obviously God wants us mammals to "mate with whatever is near-by."
>
>On the contrary, God had written for us 'mammals' not to fornicate or
>commit adultery. He gave us good guidance. How many families have
>broken up because of fornication and adultery?

You said God did not make a mistake when He designed our brain
that way.

>>>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>>
>>>Without conception, there is no safety problem.
>>
>>Are you saying God wants there to be safety problems?
>
>Of course not.

What did you mean when you wrote,
"Without conception, there is no safety problem."?

>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>
>Before we became imperfect, we don't know what the birth genetics
>were.

What was God's good purpose in designing us mammals so the

female can conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?

You said our troubles are due to God having abandoned us.

So God is responsible for how we use our free will.

>>What do we base our choices on?
>
>It all depends. God also gave us a conscience. That probes us when we
>do something wrong. But some people have overridden it, so that they
>can do bad things and not feel bad because of them.

Can we have a conscience that stops us doing wrong things while
still having free will?

>>Do people who have never heard of the bible have all the information
>>they need to make right choices?
>
>Yes, the built-in conscience plays a major part. That is why some
>murderers feel overwhelmed with grief, after killing.

It seems the God given urge to murder was stronger than the
God given conscience.
We don't know why God designed our brain that way but we
do know it is what God wanted.

We still have the brain and body that God designed but we
are working to overcome the terrible things God has done
to us. We even have medicine to control panic attacks.

>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>A world out of control
>>>>
>>>>A James out of control.
>>>
>>>Yes, out of the world's control by Satan:
>>>
>>>(1 John 5:19) We know that we originate with God, but the whole world
>>>is lying in the power of the wicked one.
>>>
>>>How does it feel to be controlled by the Devil? You think you are not,
>>>but you are proving it right in these posts. The Devil hates God. And
>>>you fall right into his hands when you discredit Almighty God.
>>
>>What makes you think that?
>>You said God does not make mistakes so the Devil must be the
>>way God wants.
>>The bible says God will judge Himself.
>
>You are talking nonsense. God did not create a devil.

You talk about a devil as though such a thing exists.

>He created a
>righteous angel. And God has no reason to judge Himself, since
>everything He does is perfect.

I keep telling you that but you insist God will judge.

>Sincerely James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 10:00:04 +1000, Lucifer

Yes, by Adam's disobedience. Don't forget Satan also.

>
>Is Genesis 3:16 correct?
>(Genesis 3:16) To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in
>childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to
>children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule
>over you.”

Yes. That was some of her punishment for disobedience. Adam had to
have a hard time planting crops and fighting weeds etc.

>
>>>>>>I am blaming Adam AND Eve, but primarily Adam.
>>>>>
>>>>>I understand English is not your first language.
>>>>
>>>>Si si senorita.
>>>>
>>>>>You don't want people thinking you actually blame a created being.
>>>>
>>>>Did you blame Ted Bundy for all his rapes? Or are you a bleeding heart
>>>>for that poor guy.
>>>
>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>
>>Yes.
>
>You said God does not make mistakes so God fully intended for
>there to be the likes of Ted Bundy.

Wrong again. God didn't always look ahead into the future. Thus He no
more knew about the upcoming evil ways of Ted Bundy, than his parents
did early on.

There is no comparison. I didn't CHOOSE to have panic attacks. Adam
CHOSE to disobey God. My problem is a medical condition. Adam misused
his free will.

>
>>>>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>>>>problems as other mammals?
>>>>
>>>>We are not like other mammals. We were created in God's image. Thus we
>>>>have moral qualities. Animals mate with whatever is near-by. Humans
>>>>are selective,
>>>
>>>Obviously God wants us mammals to "mate with whatever is near-by."
>>
>>On the contrary, God had written for us 'mammals' not to fornicate or
>>commit adultery. He gave us good guidance. How many families have
>>broken up because of fornication and adultery?
>
>You said God did not make a mistake when He designed our brain
>that way.

Your brain appears to be stuck in reverse. Yes, God created our whole
human body, But we are not the same today, as He created then. Adam
changed everything.

I am surprised you are not saying, 'well, we didn't do anything wrong,
why are we punished for Adams sin?'

Adam was given the responsibility of starting the production of the
whole race of mankind. By chucking that responsibility, we got caught
in the overflow.

Its like children suffering because of a drunken father. The father is
responsible for his children. Adam was responsible for us.

Even God suffered because of Adam's sin. God had to see His innocent
only begotten Son to suffer and even die while on earth. At one point
while dying, Jesus cried out for God to remove that burden from him.
That had to hurt God deeply.

>
>>>>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>>>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>>>
>>>>Without conception, there is no safety problem.
>>>
>>>Are you saying God wants there to be safety problems?
>>
>>Of course not.
>
>What did you mean when you wrote,
>"Without conception, there is no safety problem."?

If males don't rape or underage girls don't willingly want sex, there
is no safety problem.

For the record, the youngest girl to have a baby was Lina Medina at 5
years old. She had a baby boy by caesarean section who was 5 pound 8
ounces.

>
>>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>
>>Before we became imperfect, we don't know what the birth genetics
>>were.
>
>What was God's good purpose in designing us mammals so the
>female can conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?

See above about Lina Medina.

Negatrons. Our troubles can be traced back to the human Adam, and the
angel Satan.

It ain't free will if someone is controlling you.

>
>>>What do we base our choices on?
>>
>>It all depends. God also gave us a conscience. That probes us when we
>>do something wrong. But some people have overridden it, so that they
>>can do bad things and not feel bad because of them.
>
>Can we have a conscience that stops us doing wrong things while
>still having free will?

It doesn't stop us from doing anything. Our free will does that. But
it does warn us first.

>
>>>Do people who have never heard of the bible have all the information
>>>they need to make right choices?
>>
>>Yes, the built-in conscience plays a major part. That is why some
>>murderers feel overwhelmed with grief, after killing.
>
>It seems the God given urge to murder was stronger than the
>God given conscience.

Yes, a person can weaken the conscious by continuous sinning, just as
not using a muscle can make it weak.

>We don't know why God designed our brain that way but we
>do know it is what God wanted.

Only 3 people on the planet had perfect brains. Adam, Eve, and Jesus.
Jesus was the best example of a perfect brain in operation.

It is a shame your brain is working that way.

>
>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>A world out of control
>>>>>
>>>>>A James out of control.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, out of the world's control by Satan:
>>>>
>>>>(1 John 5:19) We know that we originate with God, but the whole world
>>>>is lying in the power of the wicked one.
>>>>
>>>>How does it feel to be controlled by the Devil? You think you are not,
>>>>but you are proving it right in these posts. The Devil hates God. And
>>>>you fall right into his hands when you discredit Almighty God.
>>>
>>>What makes you think that?
>>>You said God does not make mistakes so the Devil must be the
>>>way God wants.
>>>The bible says God will judge Himself.
>>
>>You are talking nonsense. God did not create a devil.
>
>You talk about a devil as though such a thing exists.

With all the serious evil in the world, how else would you explain it?
There are also devil cults that sacrifice babies to their god. And
other such horrible things.

>
>>He created a
>>righteous angel. And God has no reason to judge Himself, since
>>everything He does is perfect.
>
>I keep telling you that but you insist God will judge.

Yes, the day is coming when God will judge all living humans.

Sincerely James
Shootings out of control
See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org

>

>>Sincerely James

[Lucifer]

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 16:19:45 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

You didn't object to my removing irrelevant quotes so I will do that.

>On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 10:00:04 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 08:03:22 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 06:37:59 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 05:55:38 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 16:40:15 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 19:00:53 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>>>>>Adam was the biggest serial killer ever. He only thought of himself,
>>>>>not his progeny. Yes, I do mean to blame Adam 100%.
>>>>
>>>>You said God creating Adam that way was not an error.
>>>
>>>Correct. Because God didn't create Adam that way.
>>
>>I must have misunderstood you. You appeared to be saying all
>>our problems were caused by Adam.
>
>Yes, by Adam's disobedience. Don't forget Satan also.

A few lines above you wrote,

"God didn't create Adam that way."

>>Is Genesis 3:16 correct?
>>(Genesis 3:16) To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in
>>childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to
>>children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule
>>over you.”
>
>Yes. That was some of her punishment for disobedience. Adam had to
>have a hard time planting crops and fighting weeds etc.

It appears God was causing the problems not Adam.

>>>>>>>I am blaming Adam AND Eve, but primarily Adam.

>>>>>>You don't want people thinking you actually blame a created being.
>>>>>
>>>>>Did you blame Ted Bundy for all his rapes? Or are you a bleeding heart
>>>>>for that poor guy.
>>>>
>>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>>
>>>Yes.
>>
>>You said God does not make mistakes so God fully intended for
>>there to be the likes of Ted Bundy.
>
>Wrong again. God didn't always look ahead into the future. Thus He no
>more knew about the upcoming evil ways of Ted Bundy, than his parents
>did early on.

You did say God designed our brain, and it is our brain that
determines our behaviour.

>>>>Adam didn't choose to mess the cake up.
>>>
>>>On the contrary, that's the problem. Adam make a bad choice.
>>
>>Adam chose to mess the cake up in the same way as you chose
>>to mess your life up with panic attacks.
>
>There is no comparison. I didn't CHOOSE to have panic attacks. Adam
>CHOSE to disobey God. My problem is a medical condition. Adam misused
>his free will.

Both are a function of our brain which God designed.

>>>>>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>>>>>problems as other mammals?
>>>>>
>>>>>We are not like other mammals. We were created in God's image. Thus we
>>>>>have moral qualities. Animals mate with whatever is near-by. Humans
>>>>>are selective,
>>>>
>>>>Obviously God wants us mammals to "mate with whatever is near-by."
>>>
>>>On the contrary, God had written for us 'mammals' not to fornicate or
>>>commit adultery. He gave us good guidance. How many families have
>>>broken up because of fornication and adultery?
>>
>>You said God did not make a mistake when He designed our brain
>>that way.
>
>Your brain appears to be stuck in reverse. Yes, God created our whole
>human body, But we are not the same today, as He created then. Adam
>changed everything.
>
>I am surprised you are not saying, 'well, we didn't do anything wrong,
>why are we punished for Adams sin?'
>
>Adam was given the responsibility of starting the production of the
>whole race of mankind. By chucking that responsibility, we got caught
>in the overflow.

God was given the responsibility of doing no harm.

>Its like children suffering because of a drunken father. The father is
>responsible for his children. Adam was responsible for us.

God was responsible for Adam.

>Even God suffered because of Adam's sin. God had to see His innocent
>only begotten Son to suffer and even die while on earth. At one point
>while dying, Jesus cried out for God to remove that burden from him.
>That had to hurt God deeply.

Was there any way God could have avoided that?

>>>>>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>>>>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>>>>
>>>>>Without conception, there is no safety problem.
>>>>
>>>>Are you saying God wants there to be safety problems?
>>>
>>>Of course not.
>>
>>What did you mean when you wrote,
>>"Without conception, there is no safety problem."?
>
>If males don't rape or underage girls don't willingly want sex, there
>is no safety problem.

Was it necessary for God to design us mammals so the female

can conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?

>For the record, the youngest girl to have a baby was Lina Medina at 5
>years old. She had a baby boy by caesarean section who was 5 pound 8
>ounces.

Surely God not looking ahead was a crime in itself.

>>>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>>
>>>Before we became imperfect, we don't know what the birth genetics
>>>were.
>>
>>What was God's good purpose in designing us mammals so the
>>female can conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>
>See above about Lina Medina.

I don't see the connection.

>>You said our troubles are due to God having abandoned us.
>
>Negatrons. Our troubles can be traced back to the human Adam, and the
>angel Satan.

You said God did not create Adam that way.

>It ain't free will if someone is controlling you.

So it wasn't free will that caused Ted Bundy to be the way he was?

>>>>What do we base our choices on?
>>>
>>>It all depends. God also gave us a conscience. That probes us when we
>>>do something wrong. But some people have overridden it, so that they
>>>can do bad things and not feel bad because of them.
>>
>>Can we have a conscience that stops us doing wrong things while
>>still having free will?
>
>It doesn't stop us from doing anything. Our free will does that. But
>it does warn us first.

Our conscience doesn't work when something is forced on us?

>>>>Do people who have never heard of the bible have all the information
>>>>they need to make right choices?
>>>
>>>Yes, the built-in conscience plays a major part. That is why some
>>>murderers feel overwhelmed with grief, after killing.
>>
>>It seems the God given urge to murder was stronger than the
>>God given conscience.
>
>Yes, a person can weaken the conscious by continuous sinning, just as
>not using a muscle can make it weak.
>
>>We don't know why God designed our brain that way but we
>>do know it is what God wanted.
>
>Only 3 people on the planet had perfect brains. Adam, Eve, and Jesus.
>Jesus was the best example of a perfect brain in operation.

Didn't Jesus curse a fig tree because it wasn't in season?

>>>You are talking nonsense. God did not create a devil.
>>
>>You talk about a devil as though such a thing exists.
>
>With all the serious evil in the world, how else would you explain it?
>There are also devil cults that sacrifice babies to their god. And
>other such horrible things.

You said God did not create a Devil.

>>>He created a
>>>righteous angel. And God has no reason to judge Himself, since
>>>everything He does is perfect.
>>
>>I keep telling you that but you insist God will judge.
>
>Yes, the day is coming when God will judge all living humans.

You wrote,
"God has no reason to judge Himself."

>Sincerely James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 10:10:32 +1000, Lucifer

<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 16:19:45 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>You didn't object to my removing irrelevant quotes so I will do that.
>
>>On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 10:00:04 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 08:03:22 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 06:37:59 +1000, Lucifer
>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 05:55:38 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 16:40:15 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 19:00:53 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>>>>>Adam was the biggest serial killer ever. He only thought of himself,
>>>>>>not his progeny. Yes, I do mean to blame Adam 100%.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said God creating Adam that way was not an error.
>>>>
>>>>Correct. Because God didn't create Adam that way.
>>>
>>>I must have misunderstood you. You appeared to be saying all
>>>our problems were caused by Adam.
>>
>>Yes, by Adam's disobedience. Don't forget Satan also.
>
>A few lines above you wrote,
>"God didn't create Adam that way."

Why can't you get it? I'll try this:

On Jan 1st God created a perfect Adam.
On Feb 1st Adam sinned and was no longer perfect.
We all came from the Feb 1st Adam, not the Jan 1st Adam.
God only created the Jan 1st Adam, not the Feb 1st Adam.

>>>Is Genesis 3:16 correct?
>>>(Genesis 3:16) To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in
>>>childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to
>>>children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule
>>>over you.”
>>
>>Yes. That was some of her punishment for disobedience. Adam had to
>>have a hard time planting crops and fighting weeds etc.
>
>It appears God was causing the problems not Adam.

A little boy is playing with his sister. The little boy picks up a big
stick and beats her over the head with it. The father sees this and
gives him a good spanking. Who caused the child to suffer?

>
>>>>>>>>I am blaming Adam AND Eve, but primarily Adam.
>>>>>>>You don't want people thinking you actually blame a created being.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Did you blame Ted Bundy for all his rapes? Or are you a bleeding heart
>>>>>>for that poor guy.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>>>
>>>>Yes.
>>>
>>>You said God does not make mistakes so God fully intended for
>>>there to be the likes of Ted Bundy.
>>
>>Wrong again. God didn't always look ahead into the future. Thus He no
>>more knew about the upcoming evil ways of Ted Bundy, than his parents
>>did early on.
>
>You did say God designed our brain, and it is our brain that
>determines our behaviour.

See above the example of Adam.

>
>>>>>Adam didn't choose to mess the cake up.
>>>>
>>>>On the contrary, that's the problem. Adam make a bad choice.
>>>
>>>Adam chose to mess the cake up in the same way as you chose
>>>to mess your life up with panic attacks.
>>
>>There is no comparison. I didn't CHOOSE to have panic attacks. Adam
>>CHOSE to disobey God. My problem is a medical condition. Adam misused
>>his free will.
>
>Both are a function of our brain which God designed.

And Ted Bundy's great, great, great, great grandfather is responsible
for Ted Bundy's sins. Right?

>
>>>>>>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>>>>>>problems as other mammals?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We are not like other mammals. We were created in God's image. Thus we
>>>>>>have moral qualities. Animals mate with whatever is near-by. Humans
>>>>>>are selective,
>>>>>
>>>>>Obviously God wants us mammals to "mate with whatever is near-by."
>>>>
>>>>On the contrary, God had written for us 'mammals' not to fornicate or
>>>>commit adultery. He gave us good guidance. How many families have
>>>>broken up because of fornication and adultery?
>>>
>>>You said God did not make a mistake when He designed our brain
>>>that way.
>>
>>Your brain appears to be stuck in reverse. Yes, God created our whole
>>human body, But we are not the same today, as He created then. Adam
>>changed everything.
>>
>>I am surprised you are not saying, 'well, we didn't do anything wrong,
>>why are we punished for Adams sin?'
>>
>>Adam was given the responsibility of starting the production of the
>>whole race of mankind. By chucking that responsibility, we got caught
>>in the overflow.
>
>God was given the responsibility of doing no harm.

Who gave that to God?

>
>>Its like children suffering because of a drunken father. The father is
>>responsible for his children. Adam was responsible for us.
>
>God was responsible for Adam.

See the above illustration of the little boy.

>
>>Even God suffered because of Adam's sin. God had to see His innocent
>>only begotten Son to suffer and even die while on earth. At one point
>>while dying, Jesus cried out for God to remove that burden from him.
>>That had to hurt God deeply.
>
>Was there any way God could have avoided that?

Apparently not, and keep His sense of perfect
justice.

>
>>>>>>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>>>>>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Without conception, there is no safety problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>Are you saying God wants there to be safety problems?
>>>>
>>>>Of course not.
>>>
>>>What did you mean when you wrote,
>>>"Without conception, there is no safety problem."?
>>
>>If males don't rape or underage girls don't willingly want sex, there
>>is no safety problem.
>
>Was it necessary for God to design us mammals so the female
>can conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?

See below.

>
>>For the record, the youngest girl to have a baby was Lina Medina at 5
>>years old. She had a baby boy by caesarean section who was 5 pound 8
>>ounces.
>
>Surely God not looking ahead was a crime in itself.

Not really. Actually looking ahead WOULD make God responsible for all
future happenings.

>
>>>>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>>>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>>>
>>>>Before we became imperfect, we don't know what the birth genetics
>>>>were.
>>>
>>>What was God's good purpose in designing us mammals so the
>>>female can conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>
>>See above about Lina Medina.
>
>I don't see the connection.

Well, we don't know what the original arrangement was before Adam
need, for Eve giving birth. I doubt if Eve was as a 5 year old.

>
>>>You said our troubles are due to God having abandoned us.
>>
>>Negatrons. Our troubles can be traced back to the human Adam, and the
>>angel Satan.
>
>You said God did not create Adam that way.

God didn't want robots so He gave them free will.

>
>>It ain't free will if someone is controlling you.
>
>So it wasn't free will that caused Ted Bundy to be the way he was?

Not free will itself. Free will was the MEANS Ted Bundy used to carry
out his vile acts. Maybe he was insane, or suffered from
schizophrenia etc. At any rate, the State put him to death.

>
>>>>>What do we base our choices on?
>>>>
>>>>It all depends. God also gave us a conscience. That probes us when we
>>>>do something wrong. But some people have overridden it, so that they
>>>>can do bad things and not feel bad because of them.
>>>
>>>Can we have a conscience that stops us doing wrong things while
>>>still having free will?
>>
>>It doesn't stop us from doing anything. Our free will does that. But
>>it does warn us first.
>
>Our conscience doesn't work when something is forced on us?

It all depends. Give me an example.

>
>>>>>Do people who have never heard of the bible have all the information
>>>>>they need to make right choices?
>>>>
>>>>Yes, the built-in conscience plays a major part. That is why some
>>>>murderers feel overwhelmed with grief, after killing.
>>>
>>>It seems the God given urge to murder was stronger than the
>>>God given conscience.
>>
>>Yes, a person can weaken the conscious by continuous sinning, just as
>>not using a muscle can make it weak.
>>
>>>We don't know why God designed our brain that way but we
>>>do know it is what God wanted.
>>
>>Only 3 people on the planet had perfect brains. Adam, Eve, and Jesus.
>>Jesus was the best example of a perfect brain in operation.
>
>Didn't Jesus curse a fig tree because it wasn't in season?

Not in this case. Some fig trees are known to produce earlier than
normal. When they put out leaves, figs are to be expected. This tree
put out leaves early, so the hungry Jesus expected it to have figs.

It also had a symbolic meaning. That any person (fig tree) not
producing good fruit (figs), would be destroyed (withered) and not get
eternal life. Earlier, Jesus showed this to be the case. Mt 7:19,20,

"19. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown
into the fire.
20. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. (NIV)

>>>>You are talking nonsense. God did not create a devil.
>>>
>>>You talk about a devil as though such a thing exists.
>>
>>With all the serious evil in the world, how else would you explain it?
>>There are also devil cults that sacrifice babies to their god. And
>>other such horrible things.
>
>You said God did not create a Devil.

Exactly.

>
>>>>He created a
>>>>righteous angel. And God has no reason to judge Himself, since
>>>>everything He does is perfect.
>>>
>>>I keep telling you that but you insist God will judge.
>>
>>Yes, the day is coming when God will judge all living humans.
>
>You wrote,
>"God has no reason to judge Himself."

That wouldn't make any sense.

[Lucifer]

Who or what created the Jan 1st Adam?
You said only God could have created our brain.

>>>>Is Genesis 3:16 correct?
>>>>(Genesis 3:16) To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in
>>>>childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to
>>>>children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule
>>>>over you.”
>>>
>>>Yes. That was some of her punishment for disobedience. Adam had to
>>>have a hard time planting crops and fighting weeds etc.
>>
>>It appears God was causing the problems not Adam.
>
>A little boy is playing with his sister. The little boy picks up a big
>stick and beats her over the head with it. The father sees this and
>gives him a good spanking. Who caused the child to suffer?

Our physical brain determines how we think and act.
God does not have a physical brain so it stands to reason
God does not think as we do.
God Himself acknowledges that.
(Isaiah 55:8) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD.

>>>>>>>>>I am blaming Adam AND Eve, but primarily Adam.
>>>>>>>>You don't want people thinking you actually blame a created being.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Did you blame Ted Bundy for all his rapes? Or are you a bleeding heart
>>>>>>>for that poor guy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes.
>>>>
>>>>You said God does not make mistakes so God fully intended for
>>>>there to be the likes of Ted Bundy.
>>>
>>>Wrong again. God didn't always look ahead into the future. Thus He no
>>>more knew about the upcoming evil ways of Ted Bundy, than his parents
>>>did early on.
>>
>>You did say God designed our brain, and it is our brain that
>>determines our behaviour.
>
>See above the example of Adam.
>
>>
>>>>>>Adam didn't choose to mess the cake up.
>>>>>
>>>>>On the contrary, that's the problem. Adam make a bad choice.
>>>>
>>>>Adam chose to mess the cake up in the same way as you chose
>>>>to mess your life up with panic attacks.
>>>
>>>There is no comparison. I didn't CHOOSE to have panic attacks. Adam
>>>CHOSE to disobey God. My problem is a medical condition. Adam misused
>>>his free will.
>>
>>Both are a function of our brain which God designed.
>
>And Ted Bundy's great, great, great, great grandfather is responsible
>for Ted Bundy's sins. Right?

Ted Bundy's great, great, great, great grandfather did not know
what would happen due to him breeding.
God knew what would happen when He designed our brain.

>>>>>>>>Why did God create us as just another mammal with the same
>>>>>>>>problems as other mammals?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We are not like other mammals. We were created in God's image. Thus we
>>>>>>>have moral qualities. Animals mate with whatever is near-by. Humans
>>>>>>>are selective,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Obviously God wants us mammals to "mate with whatever is near-by."
>>>>>
>>>>>On the contrary, God had written for us 'mammals' not to fornicate or
>>>>>commit adultery. He gave us good guidance. How many families have
>>>>>broken up because of fornication and adultery?
>>>>
>>>>You said God did not make a mistake when He designed our brain
>>>>that way.
>>>
>>>Your brain appears to be stuck in reverse. Yes, God created our whole
>>>human body, But we are not the same today, as He created then. Adam
>>>changed everything.
>>>
>>>I am surprised you are not saying, 'well, we didn't do anything wrong,
>>>why are we punished for Adams sin?'
>>>
>>>Adam was given the responsibility of starting the production of the
>>>whole race of mankind. By chucking that responsibility, we got caught
>>>in the overflow.
>>
>>God was given the responsibility of doing no harm.
>
>Who gave that to God?

It was and is a moral responsibility.

>>>Its like children suffering because of a drunken father. The father is
>>>responsible for his children. Adam was responsible for us.
>>
>>God was responsible for Adam.
>
>See the above illustration of the little boy.
>
>>
>>>Even God suffered because of Adam's sin. God had to see His innocent
>>>only begotten Son to suffer and even die while on earth. At one point
>>>while dying, Jesus cried out for God to remove that burden from him.
>>>That had to hurt God deeply.
>>
>>Was there any way God could have avoided that?
>
>Apparently not, and keep His sense of perfect justice.

If God did His moral duty there would be no need for justice.

>>>>>>>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>>>>>>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Without conception, there is no safety problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Are you saying God wants there to be safety problems?
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course not.
>>>>
>>>>What did you mean when you wrote,
>>>>"Without conception, there is no safety problem."?
>>>
>>>If males don't rape or underage girls don't willingly want sex, there
>>>is no safety problem.
>>
>>Was it necessary for God to design us mammals so the female
>>can conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>
>See below.
>
>>
>>>For the record, the youngest girl to have a baby was Lina Medina at 5
>>>years old. She had a baby boy by caesarean section who was 5 pound 8
>>>ounces.
>>
>>Surely God not looking ahead was a crime in itself.
>
>Not really. Actually looking ahead WOULD make God responsible for all
>future happenings.

That would have been a good thing as God would have done things
differently.
God must have known what would be the effect of designing our
brain with the possibility of it causing panic attacks.

>>>>>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>>>>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>>>>
>>>>>Before we became imperfect, we don't know what the birth genetics
>>>>>were.
>>>>
>>>>What was God's good purpose in designing us mammals so the
>>>>female can conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>>
>>>See above about Lina Medina.
>>
>>I don't see the connection.
>
>Well, we don't know what the original arrangement was before Adam
>need, for Eve giving birth. I doubt if Eve was as a 5 year old.

I could understand an uncaring natural process that resulted in
mammals being able to conceive before they are old enough
to safely give birth but what possible reason could God
have for creating us that way?

>>>>You said our troubles are due to God having abandoned us.
>>>
>>>Negatrons. Our troubles can be traced back to the human Adam, and the
>>>angel Satan.
>>
>>You said God did not create Adam that way.
>
>God didn't want robots so He gave them free will.

How does Genesis 3:16 fit in with this?

(Genesis 3:16) To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in
childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to
children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule
over you.”

>>>It ain't free will if someone is controlling you.
>>
>>So it wasn't free will that caused Ted Bundy to be the way he was?
>
>Not free will itself. Free will was the MEANS Ted Bundy used to carry
>out his vile acts. Maybe he was insane, or suffered from
>schizophrenia etc. At any rate, the State put him to death.

And you say God had no idea what He was doing when He designed
our brain?

>>>>>>What do we base our choices on?
>>>>>
>>>>>It all depends. God also gave us a conscience. That probes us when we
>>>>>do something wrong. But some people have overridden it, so that they
>>>>>can do bad things and not feel bad because of them.
>>>>
>>>>Can we have a conscience that stops us doing wrong things while
>>>>still having free will?
>>>
>>>It doesn't stop us from doing anything. Our free will does that. But
>>>it does warn us first.
>>
>>Our conscience doesn't work when something is forced on us?
>
>It all depends. Give me an example.

Panic attacks.

>>>>>>Do people who have never heard of the bible have all the information
>>>>>>they need to make right choices?
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, the built-in conscience plays a major part. That is why some
>>>>>murderers feel overwhelmed with grief, after killing.
>>>>
>>>>It seems the God given urge to murder was stronger than the
>>>>God given conscience.
>>>
>>>Yes, a person can weaken the conscious by continuous sinning, just as
>>>not using a muscle can make it weak.
>>>
>>>>We don't know why God designed our brain that way but we
>>>>do know it is what God wanted.
>>>
>>>Only 3 people on the planet had perfect brains. Adam, Eve, and Jesus.
>>>Jesus was the best example of a perfect brain in operation.
>>
>>Didn't Jesus curse a fig tree because it wasn't in season?
>
>Not in this case. Some fig trees are known to produce earlier than
>normal. When they put out leaves, figs are to be expected. This tree
>put out leaves early, so the hungry Jesus expected it to have figs.
>
>It also had a symbolic meaning. That any person (fig tree) not
>producing good fruit (figs), would be destroyed (withered) and not get
>eternal life. Earlier, Jesus showed this to be the case. Mt 7:19,20,
>
>"19. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown
>into the fire.
> 20. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. (NIV)

The writers of Mt 7:19,20 must have hated God and Jesus to have
written that way.

>>>>>You are talking nonsense. God did not create a devil.
>>>>
>>>>You talk about a devil as though such a thing exists.
>>>
>>>With all the serious evil in the world, how else would you explain it?
>>>There are also devil cults that sacrifice babies to their god. And
>>>other such horrible things.
>>
>>You said God did not create a Devil.
>
>Exactly.

Therefore there is no Devil.

>>>>>He created a
>>>>>righteous angel. And God has no reason to judge Himself, since
>>>>>everything He does is perfect.
>>>>
>>>>I keep telling you that but you insist God will judge.
>>>
>>>Yes, the day is coming when God will judge all living humans.
>>
>>You wrote,
>>"God has no reason to judge Himself."
>
>That wouldn't make any sense.

Yet you insist God will judge how He created.

>Sincerely James

[Lucifer]

Who or what created the Feb 1st Adam?

[zeb...@windstream.net]

It's a "who". Jehovah God. (Ps 83:18)

>You said only God could have created our brain.

Yes, God initially created the human brain. From then on it came about
through imperfect genetics.

>
>>>>>Is Genesis 3:16 correct?
>>>>>(Genesis 3:16) To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in
>>>>>childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to
>>>>>children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule
>>>>>over you.”
>>>>
>>>>Yes. That was some of her punishment for disobedience. Adam had to
>>>>have a hard time planting crops and fighting weeds etc.
>>>
>>>It appears God was causing the problems not Adam.
>>
>>A little boy is playing with his sister. The little boy picks up a big
>>stick and beats her over the head with it. The father sees this and
>>gives him a good spanking. Who caused the child to suffer?
>
>Our physical brain determines how we think and act.

Right, and if it is imperfect, that can be reflected on how we think

and act.

>God does not have a physical brain so it stands to reason
>God does not think as we do.
>God Himself acknowledges that.
>(Isaiah 55:8) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
>neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD.

God is talking about imperfect man here. God's thoughts are much more
pure.

The Bible doesn't say that. God didn't know the outcome of Adam when
He created him. (or Eve, or Satan, etc)

And just what do you say is God's moral duty?

>
>>>>>>>>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>>>>>>>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Without conception, there is no safety problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Are you saying God wants there to be safety problems?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Of course not.
>>>>>
>>>>>What did you mean when you wrote,
>>>>>"Without conception, there is no safety problem."?
>>>>
>>>>If males don't rape or underage girls don't willingly want sex, there
>>>>is no safety problem.
>>>
>>>Was it necessary for God to design us mammals so the female
>>>can conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>
>>See below.
>>
>>>
>>>>For the record, the youngest girl to have a baby was Lina Medina at 5
>>>>years old. She had a baby boy by caesarean section who was 5 pound 8
>>>>ounces.
>>>
>>>Surely God not looking ahead was a crime in itself.
>>
>>Not really. Actually looking ahead WOULD make God responsible for all
>>future happenings.
>
>That would have been a good thing as God would have done things
>differently.
>God must have known what would be the effect of designing our
>brain with the possibility of it causing panic attacks.

The brain was created perfect.

It's like a lawnmower. If used correctly, it could last many years.
But if you started it up with no oil, it would last for seconds. The
designers of the mower engine knew that, yet they still went ahead and
built it. The fault lies with the operator, not the designers.

>
>>>>>>>Why did God design us mammals so the female can conceive
>>>>>>>before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Before we became imperfect, we don't know what the birth genetics
>>>>>>were.
>>>>>
>>>>>What was God's good purpose in designing us mammals so the
>>>>>female can conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
>>>>
>>>>See above about Lina Medina.
>>>
>>>I don't see the connection.
>>
>>Well, we don't know what the original arrangement was before Adam
>>need, for Eve giving birth. I doubt if Eve was as a 5 year old.
>
>I could understand an uncaring natural process that resulted in
>mammals being able to conceive before they are old enough
>to safely give birth but what possible reason could God
>have for creating us that way?

He didn't. You always compare God with our IMPERFECT bodies. Of course
you will find God at fault. But God DIDN'T create us with imperfect
bodies. God made everything just right for humans, right in the
beginning. So God is not at fault.

>
>>>>>You said our troubles are due to God having abandoned us.
>>>>
>>>>Negatrons. Our troubles can be traced back to the human Adam, and the
>>>>angel Satan.
>>>
>>>You said God did not create Adam that way.
>>
>>God didn't want robots so He gave them free will.
>
>How does Genesis 3:16 fit in with this?
>(Genesis 3:16) To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in
>childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to
>children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule
>over you.”

Eve's punishment for disobeying God. Unlike today, where many people
get away with all kinds of bad acts, God's justice is perfect. No one
will pull the wool over God's eyes and GET AWAY with evil acts.

>
>>>>It ain't free will if someone is controlling you.
>>>
>>>So it wasn't free will that caused Ted Bundy to be the way he was?
>>
>>Not free will itself. Free will was the MEANS Ted Bundy used to carry
>>out his vile acts. Maybe he was insane, or suffered from
>>schizophrenia etc. At any rate, the State put him to death.
>
>And you say God had no idea what He was doing when He designed
>our brain?

I didn't say that at all. God designed the human brain perfectly.
Jesus showed us that a perfect brain could obey all of God's commands.

>
>>>>>>>What do we base our choices on?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It all depends. God also gave us a conscience. That probes us when we
>>>>>>do something wrong. But some people have overridden it, so that they
>>>>>>can do bad things and not feel bad because of them.
>>>>>
>>>>>Can we have a conscience that stops us doing wrong things while
>>>>>still having free will?
>>>>
>>>>It doesn't stop us from doing anything. Our free will does that. But
>>>>it does warn us first.
>>>
>>>Our conscience doesn't work when something is forced on us?
>>
>>It all depends. Give me an example.
>
>Panic attacks.

They have nothing to do with one's conscience, anymore than
depression. But I'll give you an example: pornography.

If one practices it long enough, one's conscience can become seared,
and it not bother him anymore.

Another example, is a serial killer like Ted Bundy. When he raped and
killed enough females, (he said triple digits) he felt nothing for his
victims.

>
>>>>>>>Do people who have never heard of the bible have all the information
>>>>>>>they need to make right choices?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, the built-in conscience plays a major part. That is why some
>>>>>>murderers feel overwhelmed with grief, after killing.
>>>>>
>>>>>It seems the God given urge to murder was stronger than the
>>>>>God given conscience.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, a person can weaken the conscious by continuous sinning, just as
>>>>not using a muscle can make it weak.
>>>>
>>>>>We don't know why God designed our brain that way but we
>>>>>do know it is what God wanted.
>>>>
>>>>Only 3 people on the planet had perfect brains. Adam, Eve, and Jesus.
>>>>Jesus was the best example of a perfect brain in operation.
>>>
>>>Didn't Jesus curse a fig tree because it wasn't in season?
>>
>>Not in this case. Some fig trees are known to produce earlier than
>>normal. When they put out leaves, figs are to be expected. This tree
>>put out leaves early, so the hungry Jesus expected it to have figs.
>>
>>It also had a symbolic meaning. That any person (fig tree) not
>>producing good fruit (figs), would be destroyed (withered) and not get
>>eternal life. Earlier, Jesus showed this to be the case. Mt 7:19,20,
>>
>>"19. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown
>>into the fire.
>> 20. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. (NIV)
>
>The writers of Mt 7:19,20 must have hated God and Jesus to have
>written that way.

Actually they had remarkable insight into Jesus' statements.

>
>>>>>>You are talking nonsense. God did not create a devil.
>>>>>
>>>>>You talk about a devil as though such a thing exists.
>>>>
>>>>With all the serious evil in the world, how else would you explain it?
>>>>There are also devil cults that sacrifice babies to their god. And
>>>>other such horrible things.
>>>
>>>You said God did not create a Devil.
>>
>>Exactly.
>
>Therefore there is no Devil.

Your premise is in error. You think if something exists, God had to
create it. Personalities are mainly created by the individual. The
Devil created his own personality. He started out with a righteous
personality, but corrupted it by wrong thinking. And a similar thing
can happen to us if we are not careful.

>
>>>>>>He created a
>>>>>>righteous angel. And God has no reason to judge Himself, since
>>>>>>everything He does is perfect.
>>>>>
>>>>>I keep telling you that but you insist God will judge.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, the day is coming when God will judge all living humans.
>>>
>>>You wrote,
>>>"God has no reason to judge Himself."
>>
>>That wouldn't make any sense.
>
>Yet you insist God will judge how He created.

Negatrons. God will judge how people used their free will. He will
base it on how well they obeyed His commands:

(Ecclesiastes 12:13) The conclusion of the matter, everything having
been heard, is: Fear the true God and keep his commandments, for this
is the whole obligation of man.

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 09:26:34 +1000, Lucifer

The Bible doesn't go into detail. I speculate that when God created
the Jan 1st Adam, He programmed within him some things that would
happen if he disobeyed God's one simple command. Adam sinned, and the
program became active. Thus the result of the Feb 1st Adam happening,
is truly Adam's fault.

[Lucifer]

I meant to ask who or what created the Feb 1st Adam, but you
answered that question.
God created the Jan 1st Adam in such a way that Adam became
the Feb 1st Adam.

>>You said only God could have created our brain.
>
>Yes, God initially created the human brain. From then on it came about
>through imperfect genetics.

You also said God does not make errors so God must have wanted us
to have imperfect genetics.

>>>>>>Is Genesis 3:16 correct?
>>>>>>(Genesis 3:16) To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in
>>>>>>childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to
>>>>>>children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule
>>>>>>over you.”
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes. That was some of her punishment for disobedience. Adam had to
>>>>>have a hard time planting crops and fighting weeds etc.
>>>>
>>>>It appears God was causing the problems not Adam.
>>>
>>>A little boy is playing with his sister. The little boy picks up a big
>>>stick and beats her over the head with it. The father sees this and
>>>gives him a good spanking. Who caused the child to suffer?
>>
>>Our physical brain determines how we think and act.
>
>Right, and if it is imperfect, that can be reflected on how we think
>and act.

God determined how we think and act when He designed our brain.

>>God does not have a physical brain so it stands to reason
>>God does not think as we do.
>>God Himself acknowledges that.
>>(Isaiah 55:8) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
>>neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD.
>
>God is talking about imperfect man here. God's thoughts are much more
>pure.

There are many aspects of God's creation you object to.

>>>>>>You said God does not make mistakes so God fully intended for
>>>>>>there to be the likes of Ted Bundy.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wrong again. God didn't always look ahead into the future. Thus He no
>>>>>more knew about the upcoming evil ways of Ted Bundy, than his parents
>>>>>did early on.
>>>>
>>>>You did say God designed our brain, and it is our brain that
>>>>determines our behaviour.
>>>
>>>See above the example of Adam.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Adam didn't choose to mess the cake up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On the contrary, that's the problem. Adam make a bad choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Adam chose to mess the cake up in the same way as you chose
>>>>>>to mess your life up with panic attacks.
>>>>>
>>>>>There is no comparison. I didn't CHOOSE to have panic attacks. Adam
>>>>>CHOSE to disobey God. My problem is a medical condition. Adam misused
>>>>>his free will.
>>>>
>>>>Both are a function of our brain which God designed.
>>>
>>>And Ted Bundy's great, great, great, great grandfather is responsible
>>>for Ted Bundy's sins. Right?
>>
>>Ted Bundy's great, great, great, great grandfather did not know
>>what would happen due to him breeding.
>>God knew what would happen when He designed our brain.
>
>The Bible doesn't say that. God didn't know the outcome of Adam when
>He created him. (or Eve, or Satan, etc)

Are you saying God did not know what He was doing when He created?

>>If God did His moral duty there would be no need for justice.
>
>And just what do you say is God's moral duty?

When God decided to create beings with thoughts and feelings
He took on a moral duty of care.

>>>>Surely God not looking ahead was a crime in itself.
>>>
>>>Not really. Actually looking ahead WOULD make God responsible for all
>>>future happenings.
>>
>>That would have been a good thing as God would have done things
>>differently.
>>God must have known what would be the effect of designing our
>>brain with the possibility of it causing panic attacks.
>
>The brain was created perfect.
>
>It's like a lawnmower. If used correctly, it could last many years.
>But if you started it up with no oil, it would last for seconds. The
>designers of the mower engine knew that, yet they still went ahead and
>built it. The fault lies with the operator, not the designers.

God is the operator.

>>I could understand an uncaring natural process that resulted in
>>mammals being able to conceive before they are old enough
>>to safely give birth but what possible reason could God
>>have for creating us that way?
>
>He didn't. You always compare God with our IMPERFECT bodies. Of course
>you will find God at fault. But God DIDN'T create us with imperfect
>bodies. God made everything just right for humans, right in the
>beginning. So God is not at fault.

How can God not be at fault for the way He created?

>>>>>>You said our troubles are due to God having abandoned us.
>>>>>
>>>>>Negatrons. Our troubles can be traced back to the human Adam, and the
>>>>>angel Satan.
>>>>
>>>>You said God did not create Adam that way.
>>>
>>>God didn't want robots so He gave them free will.
>>
>>How does Genesis 3:16 fit in with this?
>>(Genesis 3:16) To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in
>>childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to
>>children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule
>>over you.”
>
>Eve's punishment for disobeying God. Unlike today, where many people
>get away with all kinds of bad acts, God's justice is perfect. No one
>will pull the wool over God's eyes and GET AWAY with evil acts.

Genesis 3:16 makes it look as if God acted directly to cause women
to have pain in childbirth. That had nothing to do with Adam passing
on faulty genes.

>>>>>It ain't free will if someone is controlling you.
>>>>
>>>>So it wasn't free will that caused Ted Bundy to be the way he was?
>>>
>>>Not free will itself. Free will was the MEANS Ted Bundy used to carry
>>>out his vile acts. Maybe he was insane, or suffered from
>>>schizophrenia etc. At any rate, the State put him to death.
>>
>>And you say God had no idea what He was doing when He designed
>>our brain?
>
>I didn't say that at all. God designed the human brain perfectly.

God designed the human brain to become corrupted.

>Jesus showed us that a perfect brain could obey all of God's commands.

Our imperfect brains allow us to fight such tyranny.

>>>>>>>>What do we base our choices on?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It all depends. God also gave us a conscience. That probes us when we
>>>>>>>do something wrong. But some people have overridden it, so that they
>>>>>>>can do bad things and not feel bad because of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Can we have a conscience that stops us doing wrong things while
>>>>>>still having free will?
>>>>>
>>>>>It doesn't stop us from doing anything. Our free will does that. But
>>>>>it does warn us first.
>>>>
>>>>Our conscience doesn't work when something is forced on us?
>>>
>>>It all depends. Give me an example.
>>
>>Panic attacks.
>
>They have nothing to do with one's conscience, anymore than
>depression. But I'll give you an example: pornography.
>
>If one practices it long enough, one's conscience can become seared,
>and it not bother him anymore.
>
>Another example, is a serial killer like Ted Bundy. When he raped and
>killed enough females, (he said triple digits) he felt nothing for his
>victims.

You said God knew what He was doing when He designed our brain
that way.

They wrote of many stupid and terrible things God did and how
Jesus failed to pass on life saving and enhancing information.

>>>>>>>You are talking nonsense. God did not create a devil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You talk about a devil as though such a thing exists.
>>>>>
>>>>>With all the serious evil in the world, how else would you explain it?
>>>>>There are also devil cults that sacrifice babies to their god. And
>>>>>other such horrible things.
>>>>
>>>>You said God did not create a Devil.
>>>
>>>Exactly.
>>
>>Therefore there is no Devil.
>
>Your premise is in error. You think if something exists, God had to
>create it.

I don't know of anything else that can create.

>Personalities are mainly created by the individual. The
>Devil created his own personality. He started out with a righteous
>personality, but corrupted it by wrong thinking. And a similar thing
>can happen to us if we are not careful.

You know we don't get to create our own personality.

>>>>>>>He created a
>>>>>>>righteous angel. And God has no reason to judge Himself, since
>>>>>>>everything He does is perfect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I keep telling you that but you insist God will judge.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, the day is coming when God will judge all living humans.
>>>>
>>>>You wrote,
>>>>"God has no reason to judge Himself."
>>>
>>>That wouldn't make any sense.
>>
>>Yet you insist God will judge how He created.
>
>Negatrons. God will judge how people used their free will.

God would be judging Himself if He did that.

>He will base it on how well they obeyed His commands:

Today we praise people who fight against tyranny.

>Sincerely James

[Lucifer]

Thus the result of the Feb 1st Adam happening, is truly God's fault.
I appreciate your answer.

>Sincerely James

[Lucifer]

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 18:40:23 +1000, Lucifer

I could be wrong, but I can't think of another way. But the wrongness
was still Adam. Had he not done it, we wouldn't be having these
discussions.

It's like telling a 14 year old not to take too much LSD or it could
even kill him. He over takes it and dies. Was his death your fault for
telling him?

Sincerely James
A much better earth is coming

See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org

>

>>Sincerely James

[Lucifer]

A better example would be a father tells his son he will suffer
terribly if he knocks over a vase. The son knocks over the vase
and the father beats the son to within an inch of his life.

>Sincerely James
>A much better earth is coming

A much better earth brought to you by the unchanging God
that brought you this one.

[Lucifer]

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 12:54:06 +1000, Lucifer

That is certainly not a Christian father. Parents are to treat their
children respectfully. Not like the baby doctor Spock of decades ago
who said not to spank children. After that the juvenile delinquency
went through the roof. Some children respond from spankings, others
from some other form of discipline.

>
>>Sincerely James
>>A much better earth is coming
>
>A much better earth brought to you by the unchanging God
>that brought you this one.

Rather, the unchanging morals of the God who is to correct all the
errors made today.

Sincerely James
A much better earth is coming

[Lucifer]

In the story the father is God.

>>>Sincerely James
>>>A much better earth is coming
>>
>>A much better earth brought to you by the unchanging God
>>that brought you this one.
>
>Rather, the unchanging morals of the God who is to correct all the
>errors made today.

That would require God to admit He did us a great wrong.

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 15:43:14 +1000, Lucifer

God is not going to admit something He did not do.

>
>>Sincerely James
>>A much better earth is coming
>
>A much better earth brought to you by the unchanging God
>that brought you this one.

This one is a result of Adam's disobedience and his imperfect genes at
mating time.

Sincerely James
Why is it so hot nowadays?

[Lucifer]

Adam did not believe God would become a raving lunatic after
caring for him and Eve.
Cows think the farmer would do them no harm because he
feeds them.

>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>A much better earth is coming
>>>>
>>>>A much better earth brought to you by the unchanging God
>>>>that brought you this one.
>>>
>>>Rather, the unchanging morals of the God who is to correct all the
>>>errors made today.
>>
>>That would require God to admit He did us a great wrong.
>
>God is not going to admit something He did not do.

You need to explain to God He is NOT doing a good job.

>>>Sincerely James
>>>A much better earth is coming
>>
>>A much better earth brought to you by the unchanging God
>>that brought you this one.
>
>This one is a result of Adam's disobedience and his imperfect genes at
>mating time.

The way God created this earth is not important.
The problem is God's inability to learn. (Malachi 3:6)

>Sincerely James
>Why is it so hot nowadays?

It is winter.

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 08:14:39 +1000, Lucifer

Yes, God does not make errors. No, God wants us to have imperfect
genetics. You can see what God thinks of us by reading Rev 21:3,4.

>
>>>>>>>Is Genesis 3:16 correct?
>>>>>>>(Genesis 3:16) To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in
>>>>>>>childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to
>>>>>>>children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule
>>>>>>>over you.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes. That was some of her punishment for disobedience. Adam had to
>>>>>>have a hard time planting crops and fighting weeds etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>It appears God was causing the problems not Adam.
>>>>
>>>>A little boy is playing with his sister. The little boy picks up a big
>>>>stick and beats her over the head with it. The father sees this and
>>>>gives him a good spanking. Who caused the child to suffer?
>>>
>>>Our physical brain determines how we think and act.
>>
>>Right, and if it is imperfect, that can be reflected on how we think
>>and act.
>
>God determined how we think and act when He designed our brain.

A designer is not always responsible for its outcome.

>
>>>God does not have a physical brain so it stands to reason
>>>God does not think as we do.
>>>God Himself acknowledges that.
>>>(Isaiah 55:8) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
>>>neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD.
>>
>>God is talking about imperfect man here. God's thoughts are much more
>>pure.
>
>There are many aspects of God's creation you object to.

Name two.

>
>>>>>>>You said God does not make mistakes so God fully intended for
>>>>>>>there to be the likes of Ted Bundy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wrong again. God didn't always look ahead into the future. Thus He no
>>>>>>more knew about the upcoming evil ways of Ted Bundy, than his parents
>>>>>>did early on.
>>>>>
>>>>>You did say God designed our brain, and it is our brain that
>>>>>determines our behaviour.
>>>>
>>>>See above the example of Adam.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Adam didn't choose to mess the cake up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On the contrary, that's the problem. Adam make a bad choice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Adam chose to mess the cake up in the same way as you chose
>>>>>>>to mess your life up with panic attacks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There is no comparison. I didn't CHOOSE to have panic attacks. Adam
>>>>>>CHOSE to disobey God. My problem is a medical condition. Adam misused
>>>>>>his free will.
>>>>>
>>>>>Both are a function of our brain which God designed.
>>>>
>>>>And Ted Bundy's great, great, great, great grandfather is responsible
>>>>for Ted Bundy's sins. Right?
>>>
>>>Ted Bundy's great, great, great, great grandfather did not know
>>>what would happen due to him breeding.
>>>God knew what would happen when He designed our brain.
>>
>>The Bible doesn't say that. God didn't know the outcome of Adam when
>>He created him. (or Eve, or Satan, etc)
>
>Are you saying God did not know what He was doing when He created?

You are making it more complicated than it is. God knew exactly what
He was doing at creation. But God chose not to look into the future.

>
>>>If God did His moral duty there would be no need for justice.
>>
>>And just what do you say is God's moral duty?

To have perfect humans living forever on a paradise earth. (Mt 5:5)

>
>When God decided to create beings with thoughts and feelings
>He took on a moral duty of care.

Which He took care of right up to when Adam and Eve sinned. (He even
made clothes for them AFTER they sinned)

>
>>>>>Surely God not looking ahead was a crime in itself.
>>>>
>>>>Not really. Actually looking ahead WOULD make God responsible for all
>>>>future happenings.
>>>
>>>That would have been a good thing as God would have done things
>>>differently.
>>>God must have known what would be the effect of designing our
>>>brain with the possibility of it causing panic attacks.
>>
>>The brain was created perfect.
>>
>>It's like a lawnmower. If used correctly, it could last many years.
>>But if you started it up with no oil, it would last for seconds. The
>>designers of the mower engine knew that, yet they still went ahead and
>>built it. The fault lies with the operator, not the designers.
>
>God is the operator.

Adam and Eve were the operator. God was the designer.

>
>>>I could understand an uncaring natural process that resulted in
>>>mammals being able to conceive before they are old enough
>>>to safely give birth but what possible reason could God
>>>have for creating us that way?
>>
>>He didn't. You always compare God with our IMPERFECT bodies. Of course
>>you will find God at fault. But God DIDN'T create us with imperfect
>>bodies. God made everything just right for humans, right in the
>>beginning. So God is not at fault.
>
>How can God not be at fault for the way He created?

God did not make Adam sin. God did not make Eve sin. They CHOSE to do
that using their free will.

>
>>>>>>>You said our troubles are due to God having abandoned us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Negatrons. Our troubles can be traced back to the human Adam, and the
>>>>>>angel Satan.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said God did not create Adam that way.
>>>>
>>>>God didn't want robots so He gave them free will.
>>>
>>>How does Genesis 3:16 fit in with this?
>>>(Genesis 3:16) To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in
>>>childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to
>>>children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule
>>>over you.”
>>
>>Eve's punishment for disobeying God. Unlike today, where many people
>>get away with all kinds of bad acts, God's justice is perfect. No one
>>will pull the wool over God's eyes and GET AWAY with evil acts.
>
>Genesis 3:16 makes it look as if God acted directly to cause women
>to have pain in childbirth. That had nothing to do with Adam passing
>on faulty genes.

Eve also passed on faulty genes, since when she sinned, she also
became imperfect.

>
>>>>>>It ain't free will if someone is controlling you.
>>>>>
>>>>>So it wasn't free will that caused Ted Bundy to be the way he was?
>>>>
>>>>Not free will itself. Free will was the MEANS Ted Bundy used to carry
>>>>out his vile acts. Maybe he was insane, or suffered from
>>>>schizophrenia etc. At any rate, the State put him to death.
>>>
>>>And you say God had no idea what He was doing when He designed
>>>our brain?
>>
>>I didn't say that at all. God designed the human brain perfectly.
>
>God designed the human brain to become corrupted.

Only if they rebelled against God. God's perfect sense of justice did
not let them get away scott free.

>
>>Jesus showed us that a perfect brain could obey all of God's commands.
>
>Our imperfect brains allow us to fight such tyranny.

God's commands are righteous and pure and for our own good.

>
>>>>>>>>>What do we base our choices on?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It all depends. God also gave us a conscience. That probes us when we
>>>>>>>>do something wrong. But some people have overridden it, so that they
>>>>>>>>can do bad things and not feel bad because of them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Can we have a conscience that stops us doing wrong things while
>>>>>>>still having free will?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It doesn't stop us from doing anything. Our free will does that. But
>>>>>>it does warn us first.
>>>>>
>>>>>Our conscience doesn't work when something is forced on us?
>>>>
>>>>It all depends. Give me an example.
>>>
>>>Panic attacks.
>>
>>They have nothing to do with one's conscience, anymore than
>>depression. But I'll give you an example: pornography.
>>
>>If one practices it long enough, one's conscience can become seared,
>>and it not bother him anymore.
>>
>>Another example, is a serial killer like Ted Bundy. When he raped and
>>killed enough females, (he said triple digits) he felt nothing for his
>>victims.
>
>You said God knew what He was doing when He designed our brain
>that way.

What way is that?

Name two "stupid and terrible things God did".

>
>>>>>>>>You are talking nonsense. God did not create a devil.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You talk about a devil as though such a thing exists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>With all the serious evil in the world, how else would you explain it?
>>>>>>There are also devil cults that sacrifice babies to their god. And
>>>>>>other such horrible things.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said God did not create a Devil.
>>>>
>>>>Exactly.
>>>
>>>Therefore there is no Devil.
>>
>>Your premise is in error. You think if something exists, God had to
>>create it.
>
>I don't know of anything else that can create.

Men can create robots and sky scrapers, and trains, and dams, etc,
etc.

>
>>Personalities are mainly created by the individual. The
>>Devil created his own personality. He started out with a righteous
>>personality, but corrupted it by wrong thinking. And a similar thing
>>can happen to us if we are not careful.
>
>You know we don't get to create our own personality.

It's the old saying, 'nurture or nature'. How much of our personality
comes from our environment and how much from our genes?

>
>>>>>>>>He created a
>>>>>>>>righteous angel. And God has no reason to judge Himself, since
>>>>>>>>everything He does is perfect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I keep telling you that but you insist God will judge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, the day is coming when God will judge all living humans.
>>>>>
>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>"God has no reason to judge Himself."
>>>>
>>>>That wouldn't make any sense.
>>>
>>>Yet you insist God will judge how He created.
>>
>>Negatrons. God will judge how people used their free will.
>
>God would be judging Himself if He did that.

Not at all. When a parent spanks his child, is he also judging
himself?

>
>>He will base it on how well they obeyed His commands:
>
>Today we praise people who fight against tyranny.

God will remove all tyranny when His Kingdom completely takes over.
(Mt 24:14; Dan 2:44)

Sincerely James
Why is it so hot nowadays?

[Lucifer]

We can see what God thinks of us.

>>>>>>>>Is Genesis 3:16 correct?
>>>>>>>>(Genesis 3:16) To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in
>>>>>>>>childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to
>>>>>>>>children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule
>>>>>>>>over you.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes. That was some of her punishment for disobedience. Adam had to
>>>>>>>have a hard time planting crops and fighting weeds etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It appears God was causing the problems not Adam.
>>>>>
>>>>>A little boy is playing with his sister. The little boy picks up a big
>>>>>stick and beats her over the head with it. The father sees this and
>>>>>gives him a good spanking. Who caused the child to suffer?
>>>>
>>>>Our physical brain determines how we think and act.
>>>
>>>Right, and if it is imperfect, that can be reflected on how we think
>>>and act.
>>
>>God determined how we think and act when He designed our brain.
>
>A designer is not always responsible for its outcome.

God knew what He was doing when He designed our brain

and God does not make mistakes.

>>>>God does not have a physical brain so it stands to reason
>>>>God does not think as we do.
>>>>God Himself acknowledges that.
>>>>(Isaiah 55:8) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
>>>>neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD.
>>>
>>>God is talking about imperfect man here. God's thoughts are much more
>>>pure.
>>
>>There are many aspects of God's creation you object to.
>
>Name two.

The design of our brain.
The design of the world.

So God knew exactly what He was doing when He designed our
brain to include such things as panic attacks, homosexuality,
and Ted Bundyism.

>>>>If God did His moral duty there would be no need for justice.
>>>
>>>And just what do you say is God's moral duty?
>
>To have perfect humans living forever on a paradise earth. (Mt 5:5)
>>
>>When God decided to create beings with thoughts and feelings
>>He took on a moral duty of care.
>
>Which He took care of right up to when Adam and Eve sinned. (He even
>made clothes for them AFTER they sinned)

The moral duty is a continuing duty.

>>>>>>Surely God not looking ahead was a crime in itself.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not really. Actually looking ahead WOULD make God responsible for all
>>>>>future happenings.
>>>>
>>>>That would have been a good thing as God would have done things
>>>>differently.
>>>>God must have known what would be the effect of designing our
>>>>brain with the possibility of it causing panic attacks.
>>>
>>>The brain was created perfect.
>>>
>>>It's like a lawnmower. If used correctly, it could last many years.
>>>But if you started it up with no oil, it would last for seconds. The
>>>designers of the mower engine knew that, yet they still went ahead and
>>>built it. The fault lies with the operator, not the designers.
>>
>>God is the operator.
>
>Adam and Eve were the operator. God was the designer.

You said God knew what He was doing when He designed our brain.

>>>>I could understand an uncaring natural process that resulted in
>>>>mammals being able to conceive before they are old enough
>>>>to safely give birth but what possible reason could God
>>>>have for creating us that way?
>>>
>>>He didn't. You always compare God with our IMPERFECT bodies. Of course
>>>you will find God at fault. But God DIDN'T create us with imperfect
>>>bodies. God made everything just right for humans, right in the
>>>beginning. So God is not at fault.
>>
>>How can God not be at fault for the way He created?
>
>God did not make Adam sin. God did not make Eve sin. They CHOSE to do
>that using their free will.

Adam and Eve chose to sin in the same way you chose to have panic
attacks.

Get away with what?

>>>Jesus showed us that a perfect brain could obey all of God's commands.
>>
>>Our imperfect brains allow us to fight such tyranny.
>
>God's commands are righteous and pure and for our own good.

God's ways are not right for us. -Isaiah 55:8

>>>>>>>>>>What do we base our choices on?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It all depends. God also gave us a conscience. That probes us when we
>>>>>>>>>do something wrong. But some people have overridden it, so that they
>>>>>>>>>can do bad things and not feel bad because of them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Can we have a conscience that stops us doing wrong things while
>>>>>>>>still having free will?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It doesn't stop us from doing anything. Our free will does that. But
>>>>>>>it does warn us first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Our conscience doesn't work when something is forced on us?
>>>>>
>>>>>It all depends. Give me an example.
>>>>
>>>>Panic attacks.
>>>
>>>They have nothing to do with one's conscience, anymore than
>>>depression. But I'll give you an example: pornography.
>>>
>>>If one practices it long enough, one's conscience can become seared,
>>>and it not bother him anymore.
>>>
>>>Another example, is a serial killer like Ted Bundy. When he raped and
>>>killed enough females, (he said triple digits) he felt nothing for his
>>>victims.
>>
>>You said God knew what He was doing when He designed our brain
>>that way.
>
>What way is that?

You wrote,

"Another example, is a serial killer like Ted Bundy. When he raped and
killed enough females, (he said triple digits) he felt nothing for his
victims."

Created a world where life feeds off life and only the strongest
survive.
Designed our brain to include such things as Ted Bundyism.

>>>>>>>>>You are talking nonsense. God did not create a devil.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You talk about a devil as though such a thing exists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>With all the serious evil in the world, how else would you explain it?
>>>>>>>There are also devil cults that sacrifice babies to their god. And
>>>>>>>other such horrible things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You said God did not create a Devil.
>>>>>
>>>>>Exactly.
>>>>
>>>>Therefore there is no Devil.
>>>
>>>Your premise is in error. You think if something exists, God had to
>>>create it.
>>
>>I don't know of anything else that can create.
>
>Men can create robots and sky scrapers, and trains, and dams, etc,
>etc.

Can men create a Devil?

>>>Personalities are mainly created by the individual. The
>>>Devil created his own personality. He started out with a righteous
>>>personality, but corrupted it by wrong thinking. And a similar thing
>>>can happen to us if we are not careful.
>>
>>You know we don't get to create our own personality.
>
>It's the old saying, 'nurture or nature'. How much of our personality
>comes from our environment and how much from our genes?

Our personality comes from our brain which you say God designed.

>>>>>>>>>He created a
>>>>>>>>>righteous angel. And God has no reason to judge Himself, since
>>>>>>>>>everything He does is perfect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I keep telling you that but you insist God will judge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, the day is coming when God will judge all living humans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>"God has no reason to judge Himself."
>>>>>
>>>>>That wouldn't make any sense.
>>>>
>>>>Yet you insist God will judge how He created.
>>>
>>>Negatrons. God will judge how people used their free will.
>>
>>God would be judging Himself if He did that.
>
>Not at all. When a parent spanks his child, is he also judging
>himself?

God can only judge Himself on how well He created.

>>>He will base it on how well they obeyed His commands:
>>
>>Today we praise people who fight against tyranny.
>
>God will remove all tyranny when His Kingdom completely takes over.
>(Mt 24:14; Dan 2:44)

Have you considered the possibility that God has changed for the
better since the bible was written?

>Sincerely James
>Why is it so hot nowadays?
>See what the Bible says

Why don't you tell us?

[Lucifer]

[Lucifer]

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 17:37:50 +1000, Lucifer

No you can't. Here is what He thinks of us:

(Revelation 21:3, 4) With that I heard a loud voice from the throne
say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with
them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them.
4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be
no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The
former things have passed away.”

>
>>>>>>>>>Is Genesis 3:16 correct?
>>>>>>>>>(Genesis 3:16) To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in
>>>>>>>>>childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to
>>>>>>>>>children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule
>>>>>>>>>over you.”
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes. That was some of her punishment for disobedience. Adam had to
>>>>>>>>have a hard time planting crops and fighting weeds etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It appears God was causing the problems not Adam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A little boy is playing with his sister. The little boy picks up a big
>>>>>>stick and beats her over the head with it. The father sees this and
>>>>>>gives him a good spanking. Who caused the child to suffer?
>>>>>
>>>>>Our physical brain determines how we think and act.
>>>>
>>>>Right, and if it is imperfect, that can be reflected on how we think
>>>>and act.
>>>
>>>God determined how we think and act when He designed our brain.
>>
>>A designer is not always responsible for its outcome.
>
>God knew what He was doing when He designed our brain
>and God does not make mistakes.

That's right. And God had built into Adam the consequences of
disobeying God's command. We are but guests in God's reality.

God's perfect brains did not have panic attacks, or gay feelings, or
serial killers, etc.

>
>>>>>If God did His moral duty there would be no need for justice.
>>>>
>>>>And just what do you say is God's moral duty?
>>
>>To have perfect humans living forever on a paradise earth. (Mt 5:5)
>>>
>>>When God decided to create beings with thoughts and feelings
>>>He took on a moral duty of care.
>>
>>Which He took care of right up to when Adam and Eve sinned. (He even
>>made clothes for them AFTER they sinned)
>
>The moral duty is a continuing duty.

Not when he was warned beforehand.

>
>>>>>>>Surely God not looking ahead was a crime in itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not really. Actually looking ahead WOULD make God responsible for all
>>>>>>future happenings.
>>>>>
>>>>>That would have been a good thing as God would have done things
>>>>>differently.
>>>>>God must have known what would be the effect of designing our
>>>>>brain with the possibility of it causing panic attacks.
>>>>
>>>>The brain was created perfect.
>>>>
>>>>It's like a lawnmower. If used correctly, it could last many years.
>>>>But if you started it up with no oil, it would last for seconds. The
>>>>designers of the mower engine knew that, yet they still went ahead and
>>>>built it. The fault lies with the operator, not the designers.
>>>
>>>God is the operator.
>>
>>Adam and Eve were the operator. God was the designer.
>
>You said God knew what He was doing when He designed our brain.

For sure.

>
>>>>>I could understand an uncaring natural process that resulted in
>>>>>mammals being able to conceive before they are old enough
>>>>>to safely give birth but what possible reason could God
>>>>>have for creating us that way?
>>>>
>>>>He didn't. You always compare God with our IMPERFECT bodies. Of course
>>>>you will find God at fault. But God DIDN'T create us with imperfect
>>>>bodies. God made everything just right for humans, right in the
>>>>beginning. So God is not at fault.
>>>
>>>How can God not be at fault for the way He created?
>>
>>God did not make Adam sin. God did not make Eve sin. They CHOSE to do
>>that using their free will.
>
>Adam and Eve chose to sin in the same way you chose to have panic
>attacks.

Then you must have chosen to have depressions. Why would you want to
do that?

>
>>>>>>>>>You said our troubles are due to God having abandoned us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Negatrons. Our troubles can be traced back to the human Adam, and the
>>>>>>>>angel Satan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You said God did not create Adam that way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God didn't want robots so He gave them free will.
>>>>>
>>>>>How does Genesis 3:16 fit in with this?
>>>>>(Genesis 3:16) To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in
>>>>>childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to
>>>>>children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule
>>>>>over you.”
>>>>
>>>>Eve's punishment for disobeying God. Unlike today, where many people
>>>>get away with all kinds of bad acts, God's justice is perfect. No one
>>>>will pull the wool over God's eyes and GET AWAY with evil acts.
>>>
>>>Genesis 3:16 makes it look as if God acted directly to cause women
>>>to have pain in childbirth. That had nothing to do with Adam passing
>>>on faulty genes.
>>
>>Eve also passed on faulty genes, since when she sinned, she also
>>became imperfect.
>
>Genesis 3:16 makes it look as if God acted directly to cause women
>to have pain in childbirth.

God caused that to happen to Eve as her punishment for disobedience.
After that, genetics took over.

>
>>>>>>>>It ain't free will if someone is controlling you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So it wasn't free will that caused Ted Bundy to be the way he was?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not free will itself. Free will was the MEANS Ted Bundy used to carry
>>>>>>out his vile acts. Maybe he was insane, or suffered from
>>>>>>schizophrenia etc. At any rate, the State put him to death.
>>>>>
>>>>>And you say God had no idea what He was doing when He designed
>>>>>our brain?
>>>>
>>>>I didn't say that at all. God designed the human brain perfectly.
>>>
>>>God designed the human brain to become corrupted.
>>
>>Only if they rebelled against God. God's perfect sense of justice did
>>not let them get away scott free.
>
>Get away with what?

Get away with disobeying Him and paying the price God said would
happen to them.

>
>>>>Jesus showed us that a perfect brain could obey all of God's commands.
>>>
>>>Our imperfect brains allow us to fight such tyranny.
>>
>>God's commands are righteous and pure and for our own good.
>
>God's ways are not right for us. -Isaiah 55:8

(Isaiah 55:8) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways
are not my ways,” declares Jehovah.

Not all people think as you do:

(Psalm 40:5) How many things you have done, O Jehovah my God, Your
wonderful works and your thoughts toward us. None can compare to you;
If I were to try to tell and speak of them, They would be too numerous
to recount!

There is only a handful of serial killers in the world at the same
time. They are the exception to the rule. Most of us are no way near
that way. And we all have a good working conscience that helps us to
avoid such torturing murders that Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy did.

Thanks for answering, but I cannot agree. You can see the kind of
world God created by reading the first few chapters of Genesis. All
life was vegetarian.

Ted Bundyism as you call it, was not created by God. He and all others
like him, had the free will NOT to choose such a path. If they were
not insane (and neither were found to be such), they were responsible
for their own actions.

They have tried to blame it on evolution, saying that we came from a
violent savage, animal-like past. And that just came out in them. At
least the courts didn't buy it.

>
>>>>>>>>>>You are talking nonsense. God did not create a devil.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You talk about a devil as though such a thing exists.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>With all the serious evil in the world, how else would you explain it?
>>>>>>>>There are also devil cults that sacrifice babies to their god. And
>>>>>>>>other such horrible things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You said God did not create a Devil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Exactly.
>>>>>
>>>>>Therefore there is no Devil.
>>>>
>>>>Your premise is in error. You think if something exists, God had to
>>>>create it.
>>>
>>>I don't know of anything else that can create.
>>
>>Men can create robots and sky scrapers, and trains, and dams, etc,
>>etc.
>
>Can men create a Devil?

Absolutely, just look at Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy. They were two
man-made devils.

>
>>>>Personalities are mainly created by the individual. The
>>>>Devil created his own personality. He started out with a righteous
>>>>personality, but corrupted it by wrong thinking. And a similar thing
>>>>can happen to us if we are not careful.
>>>
>>>You know we don't get to create our own personality.
>>
>>It's the old saying, 'nurture or nature'. How much of our personality
>>comes from our environment and how much from our genes?
>
>Our personality comes from our brain which you say God designed.

Yes, he designed perfect brains. Jesus is a good example. He had a
perfect brain and showed us what it could do by helping people.

>
>>>>>>>>>>He created a
>>>>>>>>>>righteous angel. And God has no reason to judge Himself, since
>>>>>>>>>>everything He does is perfect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I keep telling you that but you insist God will judge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes, the day is coming when God will judge all living humans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>"God has no reason to judge Himself."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That wouldn't make any sense.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yet you insist God will judge how He created.
>>>>
>>>>Negatrons. God will judge how people used their free will.
>>>
>>>God would be judging Himself if He did that.
>>
>>Not at all. When a parent spanks his child, is he also judging
>>himself?
>
>God can only judge Himself on how well He created.

And if He did in Eden, He Got an A+++++++++++.

>
>>>>He will base it on how well they obeyed His commands:
>>>
>>>Today we praise people who fight against tyranny.
>>
>>God will remove all tyranny when His Kingdom completely takes over.
>>(Mt 24:14; Dan 2:44)
>
>Have you considered the possibility that God has changed for the
>better since the bible was written?

The Bible was given by God and foretells and recalls things done or
will do, by God.

>
>>Sincerely James
>>Why is it so hot nowadays?
>>See what the Bible says
>
>Why don't you tell us?

Sure. In July were world-breaking hot temperatures. The Bible did say:

-- New American with Apocrypha
Luke 21:11 There will be powerful earthquakes, famines, and plagues
from place to place; and awesome sights and mighty signs will come
from the sky.

Although it didn't directly name hot temperatures, they certainly were
"awesome sights" and mighty sky signs. (+freakish weather)

Will the earth then be destroyed?

(Psalm 115:16) As for the heavens, they belong to Jehovah, But the
earth he has given to the sons of men.

(Ecclesiastes 1:4) A generation is going, and a generation is coming,
But the earth remains forever.

That is good to know, even though humans are wrecking the earth.

(Revelation 11:18) But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath
came, and the appointed time came for the dead to be judged and to
reward your slaves the prophets and the holy ones and those fearing
your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining
the earth.”

There is a lot more to read on their web page. Enjoy.

Sincerely James

[Lucifer]

Are you saying we see what God thinks of us in tears, death,
mourning, outcry, and pain?

>>>>>>>>>>Is Genesis 3:16 correct?
>>>>>>>>>>(Genesis 3:16) To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in
>>>>>>>>>>childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to
>>>>>>>>>>children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule
>>>>>>>>>>over you.”
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes. That was some of her punishment for disobedience. Adam had to
>>>>>>>>>have a hard time planting crops and fighting weeds etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It appears God was causing the problems not Adam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>A little boy is playing with his sister. The little boy picks up a big
>>>>>>>stick and beats her over the head with it. The father sees this and
>>>>>>>gives him a good spanking. Who caused the child to suffer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Our physical brain determines how we think and act.
>>>>>
>>>>>Right, and if it is imperfect, that can be reflected on how we think
>>>>>and act.
>>>>
>>>>God determined how we think and act when He designed our brain.
>>>
>>>A designer is not always responsible for its outcome.
>>
>>God knew what He was doing when He designed our brain
>>and God does not make mistakes.
>
>That's right. And God had built into Adam the consequences of
>disobeying God's command. We are but guests in God's reality.

When God decided to create beings with thoughts and feelings

He took on an ongoing moral duty of care.

God had no need to create tears, death, mourning, outcry,
and pain.

God put those possibilities into our brain.

>>>>>>If God did His moral duty there would be no need for justice.
>>>>>
>>>>>And just what do you say is God's moral duty?
>>>
>>>To have perfect humans living forever on a paradise earth. (Mt 5:5)
>>>>
>>>>When God decided to create beings with thoughts and feelings
>>>>He took on a moral duty of care.
>>>
>>>Which He took care of right up to when Adam and Eve sinned. (He even
>>>made clothes for them AFTER they sinned)
>>
>>The moral duty is a continuing duty.
>
>Not when he was warned beforehand.

God's moral duty is ongoing.

>>>>>>>>Surely God not looking ahead was a crime in itself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Not really. Actually looking ahead WOULD make God responsible for all
>>>>>>>future happenings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That would have been a good thing as God would have done things
>>>>>>differently.
>>>>>>God must have known what would be the effect of designing our
>>>>>>brain with the possibility of it causing panic attacks.
>>>>>
>>>>>The brain was created perfect.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's like a lawnmower. If used correctly, it could last many years.
>>>>>But if you started it up with no oil, it would last for seconds. The
>>>>>designers of the mower engine knew that, yet they still went ahead and
>>>>>built it. The fault lies with the operator, not the designers.
>>>>
>>>>God is the operator.
>>>
>>>Adam and Eve were the operator. God was the designer.
>>
>>You said God knew what He was doing when He designed our brain.
>
>For sure.

Therefore God is responsible for every thought and every action.

>>>>>>I could understand an uncaring natural process that resulted in
>>>>>>mammals being able to conceive before they are old enough
>>>>>>to safely give birth but what possible reason could God
>>>>>>have for creating us that way?
>>>>>
>>>>>He didn't. You always compare God with our IMPERFECT bodies. Of course
>>>>>you will find God at fault. But God DIDN'T create us with imperfect
>>>>>bodies. God made everything just right for humans, right in the
>>>>>beginning. So God is not at fault.
>>>>
>>>>How can God not be at fault for the way He created?
>>>
>>>God did not make Adam sin. God did not make Eve sin. They CHOSE to do
>>>that using their free will.
>>
>>Adam and Eve chose to sin in the same way you chose to have panic
>>attacks.
>
>Then you must have chosen to have depressions. Why would you want to
>do that?

God must have included depression in the design of our brain.

>>>>>>>>>>You said our troubles are due to God having abandoned us.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Negatrons. Our troubles can be traced back to the human Adam, and the
>>>>>>>>>angel Satan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You said God did not create Adam that way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God didn't want robots so He gave them free will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How does Genesis 3:16 fit in with this?
>>>>>>(Genesis 3:16) To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in
>>>>>>childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to
>>>>>>children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule
>>>>>>over you.”
>>>>>
>>>>>Eve's punishment for disobeying God. Unlike today, where many people
>>>>>get away with all kinds of bad acts, God's justice is perfect. No one
>>>>>will pull the wool over God's eyes and GET AWAY with evil acts.
>>>>
>>>>Genesis 3:16 makes it look as if God acted directly to cause women
>>>>to have pain in childbirth. That had nothing to do with Adam passing
>>>>on faulty genes.
>>>
>>>Eve also passed on faulty genes, since when she sinned, she also
>>>became imperfect.
>>
>>Genesis 3:16 makes it look as if God acted directly to cause women
>>to have pain in childbirth.
>
>God caused that to happen to Eve as her punishment for disobedience.

How does that fit with Adam being the cause of our problems?

>After that, genetics took over.

It's a pity God listened to you!

>>>>>>>>>It ain't free will if someone is controlling you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So it wasn't free will that caused Ted Bundy to be the way he was?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Not free will itself. Free will was the MEANS Ted Bundy used to carry
>>>>>>>out his vile acts. Maybe he was insane, or suffered from
>>>>>>>schizophrenia etc. At any rate, the State put him to death.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And you say God had no idea what He was doing when He designed
>>>>>>our brain?
>>>>>
>>>>>I didn't say that at all. God designed the human brain perfectly.
>>>>
>>>>God designed the human brain to become corrupted.
>>>
>>>Only if they rebelled against God. God's perfect sense of justice did
>>>not let them get away scott free.
>>
>>Get away with what?
>
>Get away with disobeying Him and paying the price God said would
>happen to them.

Is God still stuck back in feudal times?

>>>>>Jesus showed us that a perfect brain could obey all of God's commands.
>>>>
>>>>Our imperfect brains allow us to fight such tyranny.
>>>
>>>God's commands are righteous and pure and for our own good.
>>
>>God's ways are not right for us. -Isaiah 55:8
>
>(Isaiah 55:8) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways
>are not my ways,” declares Jehovah.
>
>Not all people think as you do:

Thankfully many do.

God must have incorporated Ted Bundyism in the design of our brain.

I can't see how we are responsible for how God designed our brain.

>They have tried to blame it on evolution, saying that we came from a
>violent savage, animal-like past. And that just came out in them. At
>least the courts didn't buy it.

Evolution is a terrible thing. I can't see a good God creating a world

where life feeds off life and only the strongest survive.

>>>>>>>>>>>You are talking nonsense. God did not create a devil.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You talk about a devil as though such a thing exists.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>With all the serious evil in the world, how else would you explain it?
>>>>>>>>>There are also devil cults that sacrifice babies to their god. And
>>>>>>>>>other such horrible things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You said God did not create a Devil.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Exactly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Therefore there is no Devil.
>>>>>
>>>>>Your premise is in error. You think if something exists, God had to
>>>>>create it.
>>>>
>>>>I don't know of anything else that can create.
>>>
>>>Men can create robots and sky scrapers, and trains, and dams, etc,
>>>etc.
>>
>>Can men create a Devil?
>
>Absolutely, just look at Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy. They were two
>man-made devils.

You said God designed our brain.

>>>>>Personalities are mainly created by the individual. The
>>>>>Devil created his own personality. He started out with a righteous
>>>>>personality, but corrupted it by wrong thinking. And a similar thing
>>>>>can happen to us if we are not careful.
>>>>
>>>>You know we don't get to create our own personality.
>>>
>>>It's the old saying, 'nurture or nature'. How much of our personality
>>>comes from our environment and how much from our genes?
>>
>>Our personality comes from our brain which you say God designed.
>
>Yes, he designed perfect brains. Jesus is a good example. He had a
>perfect brain and showed us what it could do by helping people.

Jesus failed to provide life saving and life enhancing
medical knowledge.

>>>>>>>>>>>He created a
>>>>>>>>>>>righteous angel. And God has no reason to judge Himself, since
>>>>>>>>>>>everything He does is perfect.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I keep telling you that but you insist God will judge.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes, the day is coming when God will judge all living humans.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>"God has no reason to judge Himself."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That wouldn't make any sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yet you insist God will judge how He created.
>>>>>
>>>>>Negatrons. God will judge how people used their free will.
>>>>
>>>>God would be judging Himself if He did that.
>>>
>>>Not at all. When a parent spanks his child, is he also judging
>>>himself?
>>
>>God can only judge Himself on how well He created.
>
>And if He did in Eden, He Got an A+++++++++++.

Of course God gave himself an A+++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

That's what being a dictator is about.

>>>>>He will base it on how well they obeyed His commands:
>>>>
>>>>Today we praise people who fight against tyranny.
>>>
>>>God will remove all tyranny when His Kingdom completely takes over.
>>>(Mt 24:14; Dan 2:44)
>>
>>Have you considered the possibility that God has changed for the
>>better since the bible was written?
>
>The Bible was given by God and foretells and recalls things done or
>will do, by God.

Everything was given by God!

>>>Sincerely James
>>>Why is it so hot nowadays?
>>>See what the Bible says
>>
>>Why don't you tell us?
>
>Sure. In July were world-breaking hot temperatures. The Bible did say:
>
>-- New American with Apocrypha
>Luke 21:11 There will be powerful earthquakes, famines, and plagues
>from place to place; and awesome sights and mighty signs will come
>from the sky.
>
>Although it didn't directly name hot temperatures, they certainly were
>"awesome sights" and mighty sky signs. (+freakish weather)
>
>Will the earth then be destroyed?

Perhaps in 10 million years time when the sun goes nova.

>(Psalm 115:16) As for the heavens, they belong to Jehovah, But the
>earth he has given to the sons of men.
>
>(Ecclesiastes 1:4) A generation is going, and a generation is coming,
>But the earth remains forever.
>
>That is good to know, even though humans are wrecking the earth.

We are not wrecking the earth.

>(Revelation 11:18) But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath
>came, and the appointed time came for the dead to be judged and to
>reward your slaves the prophets and the holy ones and those fearing
>your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining
>the earth.”

Rather than bringing God and Jesus to ruin we should educate them.

>There is a lot more to read on their web page. Enjoy.

I don't enjoy seeing people being abused.

>Sincerely James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 17:35:23 +1000, Lucifer

And he believed right.

>Cows think the farmer would do them no harm because he
>feeds them.

Did a cow tell you this?

>
>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>A much better earth is coming
>>>>>
>>>>>A much better earth brought to you by the unchanging God
>>>>>that brought you this one.
>>>>
>>>>Rather, the unchanging morals of the God who is to correct all the
>>>>errors made today.
>>>
>>>That would require God to admit He did us a great wrong.
>>
>>God is not going to admit something He did not do.
>
>You need to explain to God He is NOT doing a good job.

He hasn't really started yet. When He starts, then make your comment.

>
>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>A much better earth is coming
>>>
>>>A much better earth brought to you by the unchanging God
>>>that brought you this one.
>>
>>This one is a result of Adam's disobedience and his imperfect genes at
>>mating time.
>
>The way God created this earth is not important.

It would be if the Earth traded places with Mercury.

>The problem is God's inability to learn. (Malachi 3:6)

Malachi 3:6 doesn't say that at all:

(Malachi 3:6) 擢or I am Jehovah; I do not change. And you are sons of
Jacob; you have not yet come to your finish.

Sincerely James
Why is it so hot nowadays?

See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org

>

>>Sincerely James

[Lucifer]

On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 21:02:33 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 17:35:23 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 09:26:43 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

I can't imagine a God worthy of the name making such a mess of things.
It would make sense if we were a product of an uncaring
natural function.

>>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>>A much better earth is coming
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A much better earth brought to you by the unchanging God
>>>>>>that brought you this one.
>>>>>
>>>>>Rather, the unchanging morals of the God who is to correct all the
>>>>>errors made today.
>>>>
>>>>That would require God to admit He did us a great wrong.
>>>
>>>God is not going to admit something He did not do.
>>
>>You need to explain to God He is NOT doing a good job.
>
>He hasn't really started yet. When He starts, then make your comment.
>
>>
>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>A much better earth is coming
>>>>
>>>>A much better earth brought to you by the unchanging God
>>>>that brought you this one.
>>>
>>>This one is a result of Adam's disobedience and his imperfect genes at
>>>mating time.
>>
>>The way God created this earth is not important.
>
>It would be if the Earth traded places with Mercury.
>
>>The problem is God's inability to learn. (Malachi 3:6)
>
>Malachi 3:6 doesn't say that at all:
>
>(Malachi 3:6) 擢or I am Jehovah; I do not change. And you are sons of
>Jacob; you have not yet come to your finish.

God would need to change in order to learn.

>Sincerely James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 08:59:03 +1000, Lucifer

He thinks of us as never again having such things.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>Is Genesis 3:16 correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>(Genesis 3:16) To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in
>>>>>>>>>>>childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to
>>>>>>>>>>>children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule
>>>>>>>>>>>over you.”
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Yes. That was some of her punishment for disobedience. Adam had to
>>>>>>>>>>have a hard time planting crops and fighting weeds etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It appears God was causing the problems not Adam.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A little boy is playing with his sister. The little boy picks up a big
>>>>>>>>stick and beats her over the head with it. The father sees this and
>>>>>>>>gives him a good spanking. Who caused the child to suffer?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Our physical brain determines how we think and act.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Right, and if it is imperfect, that can be reflected on how we think
>>>>>>and act.
>>>>>
>>>>>God determined how we think and act when He designed our brain.
>>>>
>>>>A designer is not always responsible for its outcome.
>>>
>>>God knew what He was doing when He designed our brain
>>>and God does not make mistakes.
>>
>>That's right. And God had built into Adam the consequences of
>>disobeying God's command. We are but guests in God's reality.
>
>When God decided to create beings with thoughts and feelings
>He took on an ongoing moral duty of care.

When parents 'create' a child, they have a moral duty of personal
care. But when that child grows up and moves away and get married,
that parent is no longer responsible.

When Adam took it upon himself to determine what was right and wrong
regardless what God said, God was no longer responsible for them. They
chose their path to take. And sadly, we are also on that path. But God
will soon get us on the correct path since He gave His Son to get us
on that path.

>
>God had no need to create tears, death, mourning, outcry,
>and pain.

Those were a result of Adam's sin, not a meanness of God. If God hated
us so much, why did He ask His only begotten Son to die for us?

>
>>>>>>>God does not have a physical brain so it stands to reason
>>>>>>>God does not think as we do.
>>>>>>>God Himself acknowledges that.
>>>>>>>(Isaiah 55:8) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
>>>>>>>neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God is talking about imperfect man here. God's thoughts are much more
>>>>>>pure.
>>>>>
>>>>>There are many aspects of God's creation you object to.
>>>>
>>>>Name two.
>
>The design of our brain.
>The design of the world.

Good for an answer, but wrong for the truth.

I have no aspect of God that I object to. I may have a lack of
understanding, but don't call it an objection.

Negatrons. God no more put those into our brains, than He did the
Playboy estate. All of that is a result of free will. Recall, God's
thoughts are not our thoughts. (Isa 55:8)

>
>>>>>>>If God did His moral duty there would be no need for justice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And just what do you say is God's moral duty?
>>>>
>>>>To have perfect humans living forever on a paradise earth. (Mt 5:5)
>>>>>
>>>>>When God decided to create beings with thoughts and feelings
>>>>>He took on a moral duty of care.
>>>>
>>>>Which He took care of right up to when Adam and Eve sinned. (He even
>>>>made clothes for them AFTER they sinned)
>>>
>>>The moral duty is a continuing duty.
>>
>>Not when he was warned beforehand.
>
>God's moral duty is ongoing.

Like a parent's who child get married and moves away?

>
>>>>>>>>>Surely God not looking ahead was a crime in itself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Not really. Actually looking ahead WOULD make God responsible for all
>>>>>>>>future happenings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That would have been a good thing as God would have done things
>>>>>>>differently.
>>>>>>>God must have known what would be the effect of designing our
>>>>>>>brain with the possibility of it causing panic attacks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The brain was created perfect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's like a lawnmower. If used correctly, it could last many years.
>>>>>>But if you started it up with no oil, it would last for seconds. The
>>>>>>designers of the mower engine knew that, yet they still went ahead and
>>>>>>built it. The fault lies with the operator, not the designers.
>>>>>
>>>>>God is the operator.
>>>>
>>>>Adam and Eve were the operator. God was the designer.
>>>
>>>You said God knew what He was doing when He designed our brain.
>>
>>For sure.
>
>Therefore God is responsible for every thought and every action.

Again refer to Isa 55:8 that says that God's thoughts are not ours.
Thus He can't be totally responsible for all our thoughts. We are free
will beings, and have the freedom of choice.

>
>>>>>>>I could understand an uncaring natural process that resulted in
>>>>>>>mammals being able to conceive before they are old enough
>>>>>>>to safely give birth but what possible reason could God
>>>>>>>have for creating us that way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He didn't. You always compare God with our IMPERFECT bodies. Of course
>>>>>>you will find God at fault. But God DIDN'T create us with imperfect
>>>>>>bodies. God made everything just right for humans, right in the
>>>>>>beginning. So God is not at fault.
>>>>>
>>>>>How can God not be at fault for the way He created?
>>>>
>>>>God did not make Adam sin. God did not make Eve sin. They CHOSE to do
>>>>that using their free will.
>>>
>>>Adam and Eve chose to sin in the same way you chose to have panic
>>>attacks.
>>
>>Then you must have chosen to have depressions. Why would you want to
>>do that?
>
>God must have included depression in the design of our brain.

And cancers, and TB, and Covid 19, and polio, and etc, etc?

That wouldn't make any sense. He gave us taste buds, and 3-D color
vision, a melodic voice, the ability to 'hear' sound waves, a sense of
pleasure at times, the feelings of happiness, etc. Why would He also
add a bunch of negative things?

>
>>>>>>>>>>>You said our troubles are due to God having abandoned us.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Negatrons. Our troubles can be traced back to the human Adam, and the
>>>>>>>>>>angel Satan.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You said God did not create Adam that way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God didn't want robots so He gave them free will.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How does Genesis 3:16 fit in with this?
>>>>>>>(Genesis 3:16) To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in
>>>>>>>childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to
>>>>>>>children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule
>>>>>>>over you.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Eve's punishment for disobeying God. Unlike today, where many people
>>>>>>get away with all kinds of bad acts, God's justice is perfect. No one
>>>>>>will pull the wool over God's eyes and GET AWAY with evil acts.
>>>>>
>>>>>Genesis 3:16 makes it look as if God acted directly to cause women
>>>>>to have pain in childbirth. That had nothing to do with Adam passing
>>>>>on faulty genes.
>>>>
>>>>Eve also passed on faulty genes, since when she sinned, she also
>>>>became imperfect.
>>>
>>>Genesis 3:16 makes it look as if God acted directly to cause women
>>>to have pain in childbirth.
>>
>>God caused that to happen to Eve as her punishment for disobedience.
>
>How does that fit with Adam being the cause of our problems?

Eve was fooled by Satan's tricks. Adam was not. He was the most
responsible. If he would have maintained loyalty to God, no telling
what the outcome would have been.

>
>>After that, genetics took over.
>
>It's a pity God listened to you!

Well, I hope not. God has the high wisdom. I do not, except when I
quote the Bible.

>
>>>>>>>>>>It ain't free will if someone is controlling you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So it wasn't free will that caused Ted Bundy to be the way he was?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Not free will itself. Free will was the MEANS Ted Bundy used to carry
>>>>>>>>out his vile acts. Maybe he was insane, or suffered from
>>>>>>>>schizophrenia etc. At any rate, the State put him to death.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And you say God had no idea what He was doing when He designed
>>>>>>>our brain?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I didn't say that at all. God designed the human brain perfectly.
>>>>>
>>>>>God designed the human brain to become corrupted.
>>>>
>>>>Only if they rebelled against God. God's perfect sense of justice did
>>>>not let them get away scott free.
>>>
>>>Get away with what?
>>
>>Get away with disobeying Him and paying the price God said would
>>happen to them.
>
>Is God still stuck back in feudal times?

God was never stuck in anything.

>
>>>>>>Jesus showed us that a perfect brain could obey all of God's commands.
>>>>>
>>>>>Our imperfect brains allow us to fight such tyranny.
>>>>
>>>>God's commands are righteous and pure and for our own good.
>>>
>>>God's ways are not right for us. -Isaiah 55:8
>>
>>(Isaiah 55:8) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways
>>are not my ways,” declares Jehovah.
>>
>>Not all people think as you do:
>
>Thankfully many do.

That's one reason why the world is so messed up. But such thinking
will soon forever be removed from the earth.

If that were true, why isn't there a lot more bundies in the world?

We sadly are not. God designed perfect brains. Humans contaminated
them. God drew a perfect picture. Humans threw dirt on it, and tore it
up.

>
>>They have tried to blame it on evolution, saying that we came from a
>>violent savage, animal-like past. And that just came out in them. At
>>least the courts didn't buy it.
>
>Evolution is a terrible thing. I can't see a good God creating a world
>where life feeds off life and only the strongest survive.

Then you see correctly. A good God never intended for life to be that
way.

In the beginning, ALL life was vegetarian. And all life was strong.
But they were not given everlasting life. Only humans have that
prospect.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>You are talking nonsense. God did not create a devil.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You talk about a devil as though such a thing exists.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>With all the serious evil in the world, how else would you explain it?
>>>>>>>>>>There are also devil cults that sacrifice babies to their god. And
>>>>>>>>>>other such horrible things.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You said God did not create a Devil.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Exactly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Therefore there is no Devil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Your premise is in error. You think if something exists, God had to
>>>>>>create it.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't know of anything else that can create.
>>>>
>>>>Men can create robots and sky scrapers, and trains, and dams, etc,
>>>>etc.
>>>
>>>Can men create a Devil?
>>
>>Absolutely, just look at Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy. They were two
>>man-made devils.
>
>You said God designed our brain.

Yes, perfectly. No flaws. (like Bundy and Gacy) They both used their
free will for selfish reasons; to fulfill their lusts. And since they
were not legally insane, they knew what they did was wrong. But did it
anyway. Bundy went after and killed girls, and Gacy went after and
killed boys.

>
>>>>>>Personalities are mainly created by the individual. The
>>>>>>Devil created his own personality. He started out with a righteous
>>>>>>personality, but corrupted it by wrong thinking. And a similar thing
>>>>>>can happen to us if we are not careful.
>>>>>
>>>>>You know we don't get to create our own personality.
>>>>
>>>>It's the old saying, 'nurture or nature'. How much of our personality
>>>>comes from our environment and how much from our genes?
>>>
>>>Our personality comes from our brain which you say God designed.
>>
>>Yes, he designed perfect brains. Jesus is a good example. He had a
>>perfect brain and showed us what it could do by helping people.
>
>Jesus failed to provide life saving and life enhancing
>medical knowledge.

That was not the time for complete miraculous cures. Jesus did his
miracles etc, to show what will happen when God's kingdom finally
takes over.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>He created a
>>>>>>>>>>>>righteous angel. And God has no reason to judge Himself, since
>>>>>>>>>>>>everything He does is perfect.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I keep telling you that but you insist God will judge.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Yes, the day is coming when God will judge all living humans.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>>"God has no reason to judge Himself."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That wouldn't make any sense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yet you insist God will judge how He created.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Negatrons. God will judge how people used their free will.
>>>>>
>>>>>God would be judging Himself if He did that.
>>>>
>>>>Not at all. When a parent spanks his child, is he also judging
>>>>himself?
>>>
>>>God can only judge Himself on how well He created.
>>
>>And if He did in Eden, He Got an A+++++++++++.
>
>Of course God gave himself an A+++++++++++++
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>That's what being a dictator is about.

You want to still accuse God of being a 'Hitler' when God's kingdom
rules earthwide? I strongly wouldn't recommend it.

>
>>>>>>He will base it on how well they obeyed His commands:
>>>>>
>>>>>Today we praise people who fight against tyranny.
>>>>
>>>>God will remove all tyranny when His Kingdom completely takes over.
>>>>(Mt 24:14; Dan 2:44)
>>>
>>>Have you considered the possibility that God has changed for the
>>>better since the bible was written?
>>
>>The Bible was given by God and foretells and recalls things done or
>>will do, by God.
>
>Everything was given by God!

Even the Playboy estate?

>
>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>Why is it so hot nowadays?
>>>>See what the Bible says
>>>
>>>Why don't you tell us?
>>
>>Sure. In July were world-breaking hot temperatures. The Bible did say:
>>
>>-- New American with Apocrypha
>>Luke 21:11 There will be powerful earthquakes, famines, and plagues
>>from place to place; and awesome sights and mighty signs will come
>>from the sky.
>>
>>Although it didn't directly name hot temperatures, they certainly were
>>"awesome sights" and mighty sky signs. (+freakish weather)
>>
>>Will the earth then be destroyed?
>
>Perhaps in 10 million years time when the sun goes nova.

The One who created the sun, can certainly keep it going forever.

>
>>(Psalm 115:16) As for the heavens, they belong to Jehovah, But the
>>earth he has given to the sons of men.
>>
>>(Ecclesiastes 1:4) A generation is going, and a generation is coming,
>>But the earth remains forever.
>>
>>That is good to know, even though humans are wrecking the earth.
>
>We are not wrecking the earth.

Then what is global warming? We have the seas rising and ice melting
all over. This is due to human pollution of the atmosphere. If this
were allowed to keep happening, the earth would eventually get like
Mercury and Venus; too hot to support life.

>
>>(Revelation 11:18) But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath
>>came, and the appointed time came for the dead to be judged and to
>>reward your slaves the prophets and the holy ones and those fearing
>>your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining
>>the earth.”
>
>Rather than bringing God and Jesus to ruin we should educate them.

Who has the power to bring them to ruin?

>
>>There is a lot more to read on their web page. Enjoy.
>
>I don't enjoy seeing people being abused.

I don't either.

Sincerely James
What can help teen depression?

See what the Bible says

[Lucifer]

Why did God create the former things?

God's moral duty of care continues as long as there are living beings.

>>God had no need to create tears, death, mourning, outcry,
>>and pain.
>
>Those were a result of Adam's sin, not a meanness of God. If God hated
>us so much, why did He ask His only begotten Son to die for us?

At the time God was written about Human sacrifice was acceptable.
We have grown out of that but God can't change.

>>>>>>>>God does not have a physical brain so it stands to reason
>>>>>>>>God does not think as we do.
>>>>>>>>God Himself acknowledges that.
>>>>>>>>(Isaiah 55:8) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
>>>>>>>>neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God is talking about imperfect man here. God's thoughts are much more
>>>>>>>pure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There are many aspects of God's creation you object to.
>>>>>
>>>>>Name two.
>>
>>The design of our brain.
>>The design of the world.
>
>Good for an answer, but wrong for the truth.

What do you mean by truth?

>I have no aspect of God that I object to. I may have a lack of
>understanding, but don't call it an objection.

You don't object to God including panic attacks in the design
of our brain?

>>>God's perfect brains did not have panic attacks, or gay feelings, or
>>>serial killers, etc.
>>
>>God put those possibilities into our brain.
>
>Negatrons. God no more put those into our brains, than He did the
>Playboy estate. All of that is a result of free will. Recall, God's
>thoughts are not our thoughts. (Isa 55:8)

Did God put free will into our brains?

>>>>>>>>If God did His moral duty there would be no need for justice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And just what do you say is God's moral duty?
>>>>>
>>>>>To have perfect humans living forever on a paradise earth. (Mt 5:5)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When God decided to create beings with thoughts and feelings
>>>>>>He took on a moral duty of care.
>>>>>
>>>>>Which He took care of right up to when Adam and Eve sinned. (He even
>>>>>made clothes for them AFTER they sinned)
>>>>
>>>>The moral duty is a continuing duty.
>>>
>>>Not when he was warned beforehand.
>>
>>God's moral duty is ongoing.
>
>Like a parent's who child get married and moves away?

God is not like a human parent.

>>>>You said God knew what He was doing when He designed our brain.
>>>
>>>For sure.
>>
>>Therefore God is responsible for every thought and every action.
>
>Again refer to Isa 55:8 that says that God's thoughts are not ours.
>Thus He can't be totally responsible for all our thoughts. We are free
>will beings, and have the freedom of choice.

Our brain determines our thoughts and actions.
Thus the designer of our brain is responsible for every thought
and every action.

>>>>>>How can God not be at fault for the way He created?
>>>>>
>>>>>God did not make Adam sin. God did not make Eve sin. They CHOSE to do
>>>>>that using their free will.
>>>>
>>>>Adam and Eve chose to sin in the same way you chose to have panic
>>>>attacks.
>>>
>>>Then you must have chosen to have depressions. Why would you want to
>>>do that?
>>
>>God must have included depression in the design of our brain.
>
>And cancers, and TB, and Covid 19, and polio, and etc, etc?

We can only be the way we were created.

>That wouldn't make any sense. He gave us taste buds, and 3-D color
>vision, a melodic voice, the ability to 'hear' sound waves, a sense of
>pleasure at times, the feelings of happiness, etc. Why would He also
>add a bunch of negative things?

We don't know everything about God.

We get angry when we can't control things.
Why would God get angry?

>>>After that, genetics took over.
>>
>>It's a pity God listened to you!
>
>Well, I hope not. God has the high wisdom. I do not, except when I
>quote the Bible.

I don't see wisdom in God causing women to have pain in childbirth.

Genesis 3:16

To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in childbearing
very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”

Genesis 3:16 does not say,
“Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"

>>>>>>>>>>>It ain't free will if someone is controlling you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So it wasn't free will that caused Ted Bundy to be the way he was?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Not free will itself. Free will was the MEANS Ted Bundy used to carry
>>>>>>>>>out his vile acts. Maybe he was insane, or suffered from
>>>>>>>>>schizophrenia etc. At any rate, the State put him to death.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And you say God had no idea what He was doing when He designed
>>>>>>>>our brain?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I didn't say that at all. God designed the human brain perfectly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God designed the human brain to become corrupted.
>>>>>
>>>>>Only if they rebelled against God. God's perfect sense of justice did
>>>>>not let them get away scott free.
>>>>
>>>>Get away with what?
>>>
>>>Get away with disobeying Him and paying the price God said would
>>>happen to them.
>>
>>Is God still stuck back in feudal times?
>
>God was never stuck in anything.

Does God really punish people for not obeying Him?

>>>>>>>Jesus showed us that a perfect brain could obey all of God's commands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Our imperfect brains allow us to fight such tyranny.
>>>>>
>>>>>God's commands are righteous and pure and for our own good.
>>>>
>>>>God's ways are not right for us. -Isaiah 55:8
>>>
>>>(Isaiah 55:8) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways
>>>are not my ways,” declares Jehovah.
>>>
>>>Not all people think as you do:
>>
>>Thankfully many do.
>
>That's one reason why the world is so messed up. But such thinking
>will soon forever be removed from the earth.

I'm surprised God ever allowed dissent.

It's not active in every person.

>>I can't see how we are responsible for how God designed our brain.
>
>We sadly are not. God designed perfect brains. Humans contaminated
>them. God drew a perfect picture. Humans threw dirt on it, and tore it
>up.

Why did God design our brain to be contaminated?

>>>They have tried to blame it on evolution, saying that we came from a
>>>violent savage, animal-like past. And that just came out in them. At
>>>least the courts didn't buy it.
>>
>>Evolution is a terrible thing. I can't see a good God creating a world
>>where life feeds off life and only the strongest survive.
>
>Then you see correctly. A good God never intended for life to be that
>way.

You appear to be saying God made a mistake but God does not
make mistakes.

>In the beginning, ALL life was vegetarian. And all life was strong.
>But they were not given everlasting life. Only humans have that
>prospect.

That's interesting. God made us as just another mammal
yet only we are threatened with being trapped with God
for eternity.

>>>>Can men create a Devil?
>>>
>>>Absolutely, just look at Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy. They were two
>>>man-made devils.
>>
>>You said God designed our brain.
>
>Yes, perfectly. No flaws. (like Bundy and Gacy) They both used their
>free will for selfish reasons; to fulfill their lusts. And since they
>were not legally insane, they knew what they did was wrong. But did it
>anyway. Bundy went after and killed girls, and Gacy went after and
>killed boys.

That doesn't sound like a perfect brain.

>>>>Our personality comes from our brain which you say God designed.
>>>
>>>Yes, he designed perfect brains. Jesus is a good example. He had a
>>>perfect brain and showed us what it could do by helping people.
>>
>>Jesus failed to provide life saving and life enhancing
>>medical knowledge.
>
>That was not the time for complete miraculous cures. Jesus did his
>miracles etc, to show what will happen when God's kingdom finally
>takes over.

If Jesus had taught the germ theory of disease lives would have
been greatly enhanced and Christianity would have been proven
to be the one true religion.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>He created a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>righteous angel. And God has no reason to judge Himself, since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything He does is perfect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I keep telling you that but you insist God will judge.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Yes, the day is coming when God will judge all living humans.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>>>"God has no reason to judge Himself."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That wouldn't make any sense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yet you insist God will judge how He created.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Negatrons. God will judge how people used their free will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God would be judging Himself if He did that.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not at all. When a parent spanks his child, is he also judging
>>>>>himself?
>>>>
>>>>God can only judge Himself on how well He created.
>>>
>>>And if He did in Eden, He Got an A+++++++++++.
>>
>>Of course God gave himself an A+++++++++++++
>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>That's what being a dictator is about.
>
>You want to still accuse God of being a 'Hitler' when God's kingdom
>rules earthwide? I strongly wouldn't recommend it.

You are supposed to be praising God but you just said God will
not tolerate dissent.

>>>>>>>He will base it on how well they obeyed His commands:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Today we praise people who fight against tyranny.
>>>>>
>>>>>God will remove all tyranny when His Kingdom completely takes over.
>>>>>(Mt 24:14; Dan 2:44)
>>>>
>>>>Have you considered the possibility that God has changed for the
>>>>better since the bible was written?
>>>
>>>The Bible was given by God and foretells and recalls things done or
>>>will do, by God.
>>
>>Everything was given by God!
>
>Even the Playboy estate?

God designed our brain.

>Sincerely James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Wed, 03 Aug 2022 12:11:58 +1000, Lucifer

He didn't. Imperfect genetics from Adam caused them.

Your lack of understanding of the Bible, leads you to think that way.

>
>>>God had no need to create tears, death, mourning, outcry,
>>>and pain.
>>
>>Those were a result of Adam's sin, not a meanness of God. If God hated
>>us so much, why did He ask His only begotten Son to die for us?
>
>At the time God was written about Human sacrifice was acceptable.

Human sacrifice was not acceptable. Nowhere in the Bible did God's
servants ever sacrifice a human. When can get an idea of this at
Jeremiah:

(Jeremiah 7:31) They have built the high places of To´pheth, which is
in the Valley of the Son of Hin´nom, in order to burn their sons and
their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and
that had never even come into my heart.’

Thus God never even thought about sacrificing humans.

>We have grown out of that but God can't change.

Right. God's moral qualities are forever.

>
>>>>>>>>>God does not have a physical brain so it stands to reason
>>>>>>>>>God does not think as we do.
>>>>>>>>>God Himself acknowledges that.
>>>>>>>>>(Isaiah 55:8) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
>>>>>>>>>neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God is talking about imperfect man here. God's thoughts are much more
>>>>>>>>pure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There are many aspects of God's creation you object to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Name two.
>>>
>>>The design of our brain.
>>>The design of the world.
>>
>>Good for an answer, but wrong for the truth.
>
>What do you mean by truth?

The question was what I object to. I have no problem with the original
design of our brains. And it will soon revert back to that way.

I do not hold God responsible for the design of the world. Evil humans
have caused many of the designs, such as Ted Bundy. They exercised
their free will in a negative way.

>
>>I have no aspect of God that I object to. I may have a lack of
>>understanding, but don't call it an objection.
>
>You don't object to God including panic attacks in the design
>of our brain?

God is not a good and righteous God on the one hand, (such as giving
us many pleasures like eating etc) then at the same time acting evil
by creating brains that carry medical anomalies.

>
>>>>God's perfect brains did not have panic attacks, or gay feelings, or
>>>>serial killers, etc.
>>>
>>>God put those possibilities into our brain.
>>
>>Negatrons. God no more put those into our brains, than He did the
>>Playboy estate. All of that is a result of free will. Recall, God's
>>thoughts are not our thoughts. (Isa 55:8)
>
>Did God put free will into our brains?

Yes, unless He put it into our big toe.

>
>>>>>>>>>If God did His moral duty there would be no need for justice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And just what do you say is God's moral duty?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>To have perfect humans living forever on a paradise earth. (Mt 5:5)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>When God decided to create beings with thoughts and feelings
>>>>>>>He took on a moral duty of care.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Which He took care of right up to when Adam and Eve sinned. (He even
>>>>>>made clothes for them AFTER they sinned)
>>>>>
>>>>>The moral duty is a continuing duty.
>>>>
>>>>Not when he was warned beforehand.
>>>
>>>God's moral duty is ongoing.
>>
>>Like a parent's who child get married and moves away?
>
>God is not like a human parent.

You were not around when God cared for the righteous Israelites
thousands of years ago. If you were you would feel His warmth.

He will soon take a parent's roll again, and satisfy all of our
desires.

>
>>>>>You said God knew what He was doing when He designed our brain.
>>>>
>>>>For sure.
>>>
>>>Therefore God is responsible for every thought and every action.
>>
>>Again refer to Isa 55:8 that says that God's thoughts are not ours.
>>Thus He can't be totally responsible for all our thoughts. We are free
>>will beings, and have the freedom of choice.
>
>Our brain determines our thoughts and actions.
>Thus the designer of our brain is responsible for every thought
>and every action.

Is the parent still responsible for his child once he gets married and
moves away? As the Bible says there is a time and place for
everything. And that includes responsibilities.

>
>>>>>>>How can God not be at fault for the way He created?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God did not make Adam sin. God did not make Eve sin. They CHOSE to do
>>>>>>that using their free will.
>>>>>
>>>>>Adam and Eve chose to sin in the same way you chose to have panic
>>>>>attacks.
>>>>
>>>>Then you must have chosen to have depressions. Why would you want to
>>>>do that?
>>>
>>>God must have included depression in the design of our brain.
>>
>>And cancers, and TB, and Covid 19, and polio, and etc, etc?
>
>We can only be the way we were created.

We can only be the way our genes make us, and our reaction to the
environment, and our own free will.

>
>>That wouldn't make any sense. He gave us taste buds, and 3-D color
>>vision, a melodic voice, the ability to 'hear' sound waves, a sense of
>>pleasure at times, the feelings of happiness, etc. Why would He also
>>add a bunch of negative things?
>
>We don't know everything about God.

And we never will. But God is not a Jekyll and Hyde. He is just the
Jekyll.

What do you mean?

>
>>>>After that, genetics took over.
>>>
>>>It's a pity God listened to you!
>>
>>Well, I hope not. God has the high wisdom. I do not, except when I
>>quote the Bible.
>
>I don't see wisdom in God causing women to have pain in childbirth.

You can thank Eve for that one. Eve got punished for her disobedience.
We happen to come along with some of her traits. True, it doesn't seem
fair. Apparently God was going to let genetics take its course after
Adam and Eve, whether for the good or for the bad. He was going to
deal with things as they came along.

>
>Genesis 3:16
>To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in childbearing
>very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children.
>Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”
>
>Genesis 3:16 does not say,
>“Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"

Yes, we are caught up in their wake.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>It ain't free will if someone is controlling you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>So it wasn't free will that caused Ted Bundy to be the way he was?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Not free will itself. Free will was the MEANS Ted Bundy used to carry
>>>>>>>>>>out his vile acts. Maybe he was insane, or suffered from
>>>>>>>>>>schizophrenia etc. At any rate, the State put him to death.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And you say God had no idea what He was doing when He designed
>>>>>>>>>our brain?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I didn't say that at all. God designed the human brain perfectly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God designed the human brain to become corrupted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Only if they rebelled against God. God's perfect sense of justice did
>>>>>>not let them get away scott free.
>>>>>
>>>>>Get away with what?
>>>>
>>>>Get away with disobeying Him and paying the price God said would
>>>>happen to them.
>>>
>>>Is God still stuck back in feudal times?
>>
>>God was never stuck in anything.
>
>Does God really punish people for not obeying Him?

Yes, the Bible says those who God loves, gets disciplined.

>
>>>>>>>>Jesus showed us that a perfect brain could obey all of God's commands.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Our imperfect brains allow us to fight such tyranny.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God's commands are righteous and pure and for our own good.
>>>>>
>>>>>God's ways are not right for us. -Isaiah 55:8
>>>>
>>>>(Isaiah 55:8) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways
>>>>are not my ways,” declares Jehovah.
>>>>
>>>>Not all people think as you do:
>>>
>>>Thankfully many do.
>>
>>That's one reason why the world is so messed up. But such thinking
>>will soon forever be removed from the earth.
>
>I'm surprised God ever allowed dissent.

If He didn't, no one would know if God's ways were really right for
us. That would end peace and harmony during everlasting life. So God
in His wisdom, is permitting humans to follow their own course to see
the outcome. Humans were not designed to rule themselves.

Why not if God put it in our brain?

>
>>>I can't see how we are responsible for how God designed our brain.
>>
>>We sadly are not. God designed perfect brains. Humans contaminated
>>them. God drew a perfect picture. Humans threw dirt on it, and tore it
>>up.
>
>Why did God design our brain to be contaminated?

We contaminated it ourselves. The fault lies with us, not with God.

>
>>>>They have tried to blame it on evolution, saying that we came from a
>>>>violent savage, animal-like past. And that just came out in them. At
>>>>least the courts didn't buy it.
>>>
>>>Evolution is a terrible thing. I can't see a good God creating a world
>>>where life feeds off life and only the strongest survive.
>>
>>Then you see correctly. A good God never intended for life to be that
>>way.
>
>You appear to be saying God made a mistake but God does not
>make mistakes.

Your problem is that you don't understand God's wisdom. He does what
is best for our eternal future. Not just for a short period of time.

>
>>In the beginning, ALL life was vegetarian. And all life was strong.
>>But they were not given everlasting life. Only humans have that
>>prospect.
>
>That's interesting. God made us as just another mammal

You keep getting that one wrong. We are far superior to another
mammal. We have agape love.

Also, if we are loyal to God, we can live forever. Mammals can't.

>yet only we are threatened with being trapped with God
>for eternity.

Better trapped with the God who gives you cute little kittens, the
pleasure of a gourmet meal, the beauty of a sunset, the pleasure of a
concert, the odor of a juicy steak sizzling, etc.

Than being trapped with the Devil who gives you tears, pain, anguish,
rapes, murders, abductions, etc.

>
>>>>>Can men create a Devil?
>>>>
>>>>Absolutely, just look at Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy. They were two
>>>>man-made devils.
>>>
>>>You said God designed our brain.

And they corrupted it.

>>
>>Yes, perfectly. No flaws. (like Bundy and Gacy) They both used their
>>free will for selfish reasons; to fulfill their lusts. And since they
>>were not legally insane, they knew what they did was wrong. But did it
>>anyway. Bundy went after and killed girls, and Gacy went after and
>>killed boys.
>
>That doesn't sound like a perfect brain.

That's right. It was no longer perfect.

>
>>>>>Our personality comes from our brain which you say God designed.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, he designed perfect brains. Jesus is a good example. He had a
>>>>perfect brain and showed us what it could do by helping people.
>>>
>>>Jesus failed to provide life saving and life enhancing
>>>medical knowledge.
>>
>>That was not the time for complete miraculous cures. Jesus did his
>>miracles etc, to show what will happen when God's kingdom finally
>>takes over.
>
>If Jesus had taught the germ theory of disease lives would have
>been greatly enhanced and Christianity would have been proven
>to be the one true religion.

You wouldn't need much faith then.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>He created a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>righteous angel. And God has no reason to judge Himself, since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything He does is perfect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I keep telling you that but you insist God will judge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Yes, the day is coming when God will judge all living humans.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>>>>"God has no reason to judge Himself."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That wouldn't make any sense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yet you insist God will judge how He created.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Negatrons. God will judge how people used their free will.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God would be judging Himself if He did that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not at all. When a parent spanks his child, is he also judging
>>>>>>himself?
>>>>>
>>>>>God can only judge Himself on how well He created.
>>>>
>>>>And if He did in Eden, He Got an A+++++++++++.
>>>
>>>Of course God gave himself an A+++++++++++++
>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>That's what being a dictator is about.
>>
>>You want to still accuse God of being a 'Hitler' when God's kingdom
>>rules earthwide? I strongly wouldn't recommend it.
>
>You are supposed to be praising God but you just said God will
>not tolerate dissent.

Yes He is a God of justice.

>
>>>>>>>>He will base it on how well they obeyed His commands:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Today we praise people who fight against tyranny.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God will remove all tyranny when His Kingdom completely takes over.
>>>>>>(Mt 24:14; Dan 2:44)
>>>>>
>>>>>Have you considered the possibility that God has changed for the
>>>>>better since the bible was written?
>>>>
>>>>The Bible was given by God and foretells and recalls things done or
>>>>will do, by God.
>>>
>>>Everything was given by God!
>>
>>Even the Playboy estate?
>
>God designed our brain.

Even the Playboy estate?
>
>>Sincerely James

Sincerely James
Why is it so hot nowadays?
See what the Bible says

At www.jw.org or jw.org

[Lucifer]

Why did God create Adam that way?

My thinking has nothing to do with the bible.
Why can't you think for yourself?

>>>>God had no need to create tears, death, mourning, outcry,
>>>>and pain.
>>>
>>>Those were a result of Adam's sin, not a meanness of God. If God hated
>>>us so much, why did He ask His only begotten Son to die for us?
>>
>>At the time God was written about Human sacrifice was acceptable.
>
>Human sacrifice was not acceptable. Nowhere in the Bible did God's
>servants ever sacrifice a human. When can get an idea of this at
>Jeremiah:
>
>(Jeremiah 7:31) They have built the high places of To´pheth, which is
>in the Valley of the Son of Hin´nom, in order to burn their sons and
>their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and
>that had never even come into my heart.’
>
>Thus God never even thought about sacrificing humans.

What do you think,

"in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire"

means?

>>We have grown out of that but God can't change.
>
>Right. God's moral qualities are forever.

Thus your hope of God coming good is dashed.

>>>>>>>>>>God does not have a physical brain so it stands to reason
>>>>>>>>>>God does not think as we do.
>>>>>>>>>>God Himself acknowledges that.
>>>>>>>>>>(Isaiah 55:8) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
>>>>>>>>>>neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>God is talking about imperfect man here. God's thoughts are much more
>>>>>>>>>pure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>There are many aspects of God's creation you object to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Name two.
>>>>
>>>>The design of our brain.
>>>>The design of the world.
>>>
>>>Good for an answer, but wrong for the truth.
>>
>>What do you mean by truth?
>
>The question was what I object to.

What do you mean by truth?

>I have no problem with the original
>design of our brains. And it will soon revert back to that way.

No problem with panic attacks, Ted Bundyism, homosexuality,
etc?

>I do not hold God responsible for the design of the world.

You should.

>Evil humans have caused many of the designs, such as Ted Bundy.
>They exercised their free will in a negative way.

You have no problem with that?

>>>I have no aspect of God that I object to. I may have a lack of
>>>understanding, but don't call it an objection.
>>
>>You don't object to God including panic attacks in the design
>>of our brain?
>
>God is not a good and righteous God on the one hand, (such as giving
>us many pleasures like eating etc) then at the same time acting evil
>by creating brains that carry medical anomalies.

God is not good and righteous.

>>>>>God's perfect brains did not have panic attacks, or gay feelings, or
>>>>>serial killers, etc.
>>>>
>>>>God put those possibilities into our brain.
>>>
>>>Negatrons. God no more put those into our brains, than He did the
>>>Playboy estate. All of that is a result of free will. Recall, God's
>>>thoughts are not our thoughts. (Isa 55:8)
>>
>>Did God put free will into our brains?
>
>Yes, unless He put it into our big toe.

God put panic attacks, and gay feelings, and Ted Bundyism, etc
into our brains via free will?

>>>>>>>>>>If God did His moral duty there would be no need for justice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And just what do you say is God's moral duty?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>To have perfect humans living forever on a paradise earth. (Mt 5:5)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>When God decided to create beings with thoughts and feelings
>>>>>>>>He took on a moral duty of care.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Which He took care of right up to when Adam and Eve sinned. (He even
>>>>>>>made clothes for them AFTER they sinned)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The moral duty is a continuing duty.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not when he was warned beforehand.
>>>>
>>>>God's moral duty is ongoing.
>>>
>>>Like a parent's who child get married and moves away?
>>
>>God is not like a human parent.
>
>You were not around when God cared for the righteous Israelites
>thousands of years ago. If you were you would feel His warmth.
>
>He will soon take a parent's roll again, and satisfy all of our
>desires.

Malachi 3:6 says that will never happen.

>>>>>>You said God knew what He was doing when He designed our brain.
>>>>>
>>>>>For sure.
>>>>
>>>>Therefore God is responsible for every thought and every action.
>>>
>>>Again refer to Isa 55:8 that says that God's thoughts are not ours.
>>>Thus He can't be totally responsible for all our thoughts. We are free
>>>will beings, and have the freedom of choice.
>>
>>Our brain determines our thoughts and actions.
>>Thus the designer of our brain is responsible for every thought
>>and every action.
>
>Is the parent still responsible for his child once he gets married and
>moves away? As the Bible says there is a time and place for
>everything. And that includes responsibilities.

God is not like a human parent.

>>>>>>>>How can God not be at fault for the way He created?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God did not make Adam sin. God did not make Eve sin. They CHOSE to do
>>>>>>>that using their free will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Adam and Eve chose to sin in the same way you chose to have panic
>>>>>>attacks.
>>>>>
>>>>>Then you must have chosen to have depressions. Why would you want to
>>>>>do that?
>>>>
>>>>God must have included depression in the design of our brain.
>>>
>>>And cancers, and TB, and Covid 19, and polio, and etc, etc?
>>
>>We can only be the way we were created.
>
>We can only be the way our genes make us, and our reaction to the
>environment, and our own free will.

All things created by God.

>>>That wouldn't make any sense. He gave us taste buds, and 3-D color
>>>vision, a melodic voice, the ability to 'hear' sound waves, a sense of
>>>pleasure at times, the feelings of happiness, etc. Why would He also
>>>add a bunch of negative things?
>>
>>We don't know everything about God.
>
>And we never will. But God is not a Jekyll and Hyde. He is just the
>Jekyll.

God put Jekyll and Hydeism into our brain.

What don't you understand?

We get angry when we can't control things.
Why would God get angry?

>>>>>After that, genetics took over.
>>>>
>>>>It's a pity God listened to you!
>>>
>>>Well, I hope not. God has the high wisdom. I do not, except when I
>>>quote the Bible.
>>
>>I don't see wisdom in God causing women to have pain in childbirth.
>
>You can thank Eve for that one.

No.
Genesis 3:16 says,

To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in childbearing
very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”

Genesis 3:16 does NOT say,

“Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"

>Eve got punished for her disobedience.

Will God punish you for your panic attacks?

>We happen to come along with some of her traits. True, it doesn't seem
>fair. Apparently God was going to let genetics take its course after
>Adam and Eve, whether for the good or for the bad. He was going to
>deal with things as they came along.

Not good. Not good at all.
Certainly not the actions of a good God.

>>Genesis 3:16
>>To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in childbearing
>>very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children.
>>Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”
>>
>>Genesis 3:16 does not say,
>>“Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>
>Yes, we are caught up in their wake.

Certainly not the actions of a good God.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>It ain't free will if someone is controlling you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>So it wasn't free will that caused Ted Bundy to be the way he was?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Not free will itself. Free will was the MEANS Ted Bundy used to carry
>>>>>>>>>>>out his vile acts. Maybe he was insane, or suffered from
>>>>>>>>>>>schizophrenia etc. At any rate, the State put him to death.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And you say God had no idea what He was doing when He designed
>>>>>>>>>>our brain?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I didn't say that at all. God designed the human brain perfectly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God designed the human brain to become corrupted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Only if they rebelled against God. God's perfect sense of justice did
>>>>>>>not let them get away scott free.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Get away with what?
>>>>>
>>>>>Get away with disobeying Him and paying the price God said would
>>>>>happen to them.
>>>>
>>>>Is God still stuck back in feudal times?
>>>
>>>God was never stuck in anything.
>>
>>Does God really punish people for not obeying Him?
>
>Yes, the Bible says those who God loves, gets disciplined.

Certainly not the actions of a good God.

>>>>>>>>>Jesus showed us that a perfect brain could obey all of God's commands.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Our imperfect brains allow us to fight such tyranny.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God's commands are righteous and pure and for our own good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God's ways are not right for us. -Isaiah 55:8
>>>>>
>>>>>(Isaiah 55:8) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways
>>>>>are not my ways,” declares Jehovah.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not all people think as you do:
>>>>
>>>>Thankfully many do.
>>>
>>>That's one reason why the world is so messed up. But such thinking
>>>will soon forever be removed from the earth.
>>
>>I'm surprised God ever allowed dissent.
>
>If He didn't, no one would know if God's ways were really right for
>us. That would end peace and harmony during everlasting life. So God
>in His wisdom, is permitting humans to follow their own course to see
>the outcome. Humans were not designed to rule themselves.

Certainly not the actions of a good God.

Doesn't work that way.

>>>>I can't see how we are responsible for how God designed our brain.
>>>
>>>We sadly are not. God designed perfect brains. Humans contaminated
>>>them. God drew a perfect picture. Humans threw dirt on it, and tore it
>>>up.
>>
>>Why did God design our brain to be contaminated?
>
>We contaminated it ourselves. The fault lies with us, not with God.

Why did God design our brain to be contaminated?

>>>>>They have tried to blame it on evolution, saying that we came from a
>>>>>violent savage, animal-like past. And that just came out in them. At
>>>>>least the courts didn't buy it.
>>>>
>>>>Evolution is a terrible thing. I can't see a good God creating a world
>>>>where life feeds off life and only the strongest survive.
>>>
>>>Then you see correctly. A good God never intended for life to be that
>>>way.
>>
>>You appear to be saying God made a mistake but God does not
>>make mistakes.
>
>Your problem is that you don't understand God's wisdom. He does what
>is best for our eternal future. Not just for a short period of time.

Certainly not the actions of a good God.

>>>In the beginning, ALL life was vegetarian. And all life was strong.
>>>But they were not given everlasting life. Only humans have that
>>>prospect.
>>
>>That's interesting. God made us as just another mammal
>
>You keep getting that one wrong. We are far superior to another
>mammal.

We have the same problems as other mammals.

>We have agape love.

Ted Bundy?

>Also, if we are loyal to God, we can live forever. Mammals can't.

Certainly not the actions of a good God.

>>yet only we are threatened with being trapped with God
>>for eternity.
>
>Better trapped with the God who gives you cute little kittens, the
>pleasure of a gourmet meal, the beauty of a sunset, the pleasure of a
>concert, the odor of a juicy steak sizzling, etc.

A God who loves the smell of burning flesh.

Certainly not the actions of a good God.

>Than being trapped with the Devil who gives you tears, pain, anguish,
>rapes, murders, abductions, etc.

Where do you get your ideas about the Devil?

>>>>>>Can men create a Devil?
>>>>>
>>>>>Absolutely, just look at Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy. They were two
>>>>>man-made devils.
>>>>
>>>>You said God designed our brain.
>
>And they corrupted it.

Why did God design our brain to be corrupted?

>>>Yes, perfectly. No flaws. (like Bundy and Gacy) They both used their
>>>free will for selfish reasons; to fulfill their lusts. And since they
>>>were not legally insane, they knew what they did was wrong. But did it
>>>anyway. Bundy went after and killed girls, and Gacy went after and
>>>killed boys.
>>
>>That doesn't sound like a perfect brain.
>
>That's right. It was no longer perfect.

God knew what He was doing when He designed our brain

to fail.

>>>>>>Our personality comes from our brain which you say God designed.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, he designed perfect brains. Jesus is a good example. He had a
>>>>>perfect brain and showed us what it could do by helping people.
>>>>
>>>>Jesus failed to provide life saving and life enhancing
>>>>medical knowledge.
>>>
>>>That was not the time for complete miraculous cures. Jesus did his
>>>miracles etc, to show what will happen when God's kingdom finally
>>>takes over.
>>
>>If Jesus had taught the germ theory of disease lives would have
>>been greatly enhanced and Christianity would have been proven
>>to be the one true religion.
>
>You wouldn't need much faith then.

Exactly.

Christianity would have been proven to be the one true religion.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>He created a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>righteous angel. And God has no reason to judge Himself, since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything He does is perfect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I keep telling you that but you insist God will judge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yes, the day is coming when God will judge all living humans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>You wrote,
>>>>>>>>>>>>"God has no reason to judge Himself."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>That wouldn't make any sense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Yet you insist God will judge how He created.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Negatrons. God will judge how people used their free will.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God would be judging Himself if He did that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Not at all. When a parent spanks his child, is he also judging
>>>>>>>himself?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God can only judge Himself on how well He created.
>>>>>
>>>>>And if He did in Eden, He Got an A+++++++++++.
>>>>
>>>>Of course God gave himself an A+++++++++++++
>>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>>That's what being a dictator is about.
>>>
>>>You want to still accuse God of being a 'Hitler' when God's kingdom
>>>rules earthwide? I strongly wouldn't recommend it.
>>
>>You are supposed to be praising God but you just said God will
>>not tolerate dissent.
>
>Yes He is a God of justice.

Certainly not a God of love.

>>>>>>>>>He will base it on how well they obeyed His commands:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Today we praise people who fight against tyranny.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God will remove all tyranny when His Kingdom completely takes over.
>>>>>>>(Mt 24:14; Dan 2:44)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Have you considered the possibility that God has changed for the
>>>>>>better since the bible was written?
>>>>>
>>>>>The Bible was given by God and foretells and recalls things done or
>>>>>will do, by God.
>>>>
>>>>Everything was given by God!
>>>
>>>Even the Playboy estate?
>>
>>God designed our brain.
>
>Even the Playboy estate?

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 12:27:53 +1000, Lucifer

<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 21:02:33 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 17:35:23 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 09:26:43 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>I can't imagine a God worthy of the name making such a mess of things.
>It would make sense if we were a product of an uncaring
>natural function.

After this temp lack of action, things will be quite different.

>
>>>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>>>A much better earth is coming
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>A much better earth brought to you by the unchanging God
>>>>>>>that brought you this one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rather, the unchanging morals of the God who is to correct all the
>>>>>>errors made today.
>>>>>
>>>>>That would require God to admit He did us a great wrong.
>>>>
>>>>God is not going to admit something He did not do.
>>>
>>>You need to explain to God He is NOT doing a good job.
>>
>>He hasn't really started yet. When He starts, then make your comment.
>>
>>>
>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>A much better earth is coming
>>>>>
>>>>>A much better earth brought to you by the unchanging God
>>>>>that brought you this one.
>>>>
>>>>This one is a result of Adam's disobedience and his imperfect genes at
>>>>mating time.
>>>
>>>The way God created this earth is not important.
>>
>>It would be if the Earth traded places with Mercury.
>>
>>>The problem is God's inability to learn. (Malachi 3:6)
>>
>>Malachi 3:6 doesn't say that at all:
>>
>>(Malachi 3:6) 擢or I am Jehovah; I do not change. And you are sons of
>>Jacob; you have not yet come to your finish.
>
>God would need to change in order to learn.

You need to learn (the Bible) in order to change.

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 12:27:53 +1000, Lucifer

<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 21:02:33 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 17:35:23 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 09:26:43 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>I can't imagine a God worthy of the name making such a mess of things.
>It would make sense if we were a product of an uncaring
>natural function.

You wouldn't want to eliminate death? God can. Nature can't.

>
>>>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>>>A much better earth is coming
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>A much better earth brought to you by the unchanging God
>>>>>>>that brought you this one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rather, the unchanging morals of the God who is to correct all the
>>>>>>errors made today.
>>>>>
>>>>>That would require God to admit He did us a great wrong.
>>>>
>>>>God is not going to admit something He did not do.
>>>
>>>You need to explain to God He is NOT doing a good job.
>>
>>He hasn't really started yet. When He starts, then make your comment.
>>
>>>
>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>A much better earth is coming
>>>>>
>>>>>A much better earth brought to you by the unchanging God
>>>>>that brought you this one.
>>>>
>>>>This one is a result of Adam's disobedience and his imperfect genes at
>>>>mating time.
>>>
>>>The way God created this earth is not important.
>>
>>It would be if the Earth traded places with Mercury.
>>
>>>The problem is God's inability to learn. (Malachi 3:6)
>>
>>Malachi 3:6 doesn't say that at all:
>>
>>(Malachi 3:6) 擢or I am Jehovah; I do not change. And you are sons of
>>Jacob; you have not yet come to your finish.
>
>God would need to change in order to learn.

Does a piece of dust tell a skyscraper what to do?

[Lucifer]

On Thu, 04 Aug 2022 12:51:53 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 12:27:53 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 21:02:33 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 17:35:23 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 09:26:43 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>I can't imagine a God worthy of the name making such a mess of things.
>>It would make sense if we were a product of an uncaring
>>natural function.
>
>After this temp lack of action, things will be quite different.

I hope there is more to your life than that desperate hope.

>>>>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>>>>A much better earth is coming
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A much better earth brought to you by the unchanging God
>>>>>>>>that brought you this one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Rather, the unchanging morals of the God who is to correct all the
>>>>>>>errors made today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That would require God to admit He did us a great wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>God is not going to admit something He did not do.
>>>>
>>>>You need to explain to God He is NOT doing a good job.
>>>
>>>He hasn't really started yet. When He starts, then make your comment.

You agree then that God is not doing a good job.

>>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>>A much better earth is coming
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A much better earth brought to you by the unchanging God
>>>>>>that brought you this one.
>>>>>
>>>>>This one is a result of Adam's disobedience and his imperfect genes at
>>>>>mating time.
>>>>
>>>>The way God created this earth is not important.
>>>
>>>It would be if the Earth traded places with Mercury.
>>>
>>>>The problem is God's inability to learn. (Malachi 3:6)
>>>
>>>Malachi 3:6 doesn't say that at all:
>>>
>>>(Malachi 3:6) 擢or I am Jehovah; I do not change. And you are sons of
>>>Jacob; you have not yet come to your finish.
>>
>>God would need to change in order to learn.
>
>You need to learn (the Bible) in order to change.

I don't see the connection.

>Sincerely James

[Lucifer]

On Thu, 04 Aug 2022 14:35:24 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 12:27:53 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 21:02:33 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 17:35:23 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 09:26:43 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>I can't imagine a God worthy of the name making such a mess of things.
>>It would make sense if we were a product of an uncaring
>>natural function.
>
>You wouldn't want to eliminate death? God can. Nature can't.

I can't imagine a God worthy of the name making such a mess of things.
It would make sense if we were a product of an uncaring
natural function.

>>>>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>>>>A much better earth is coming
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A much better earth brought to you by the unchanging God
>>>>>>>>that brought you this one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Rather, the unchanging morals of the God who is to correct all the
>>>>>>>errors made today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That would require God to admit He did us a great wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>God is not going to admit something He did not do.
>>>>
>>>>You need to explain to God He is NOT doing a good job.
>>>
>>>He hasn't really started yet. When He starts, then make your comment.

YOU need to explain to God He is NOT doing a good job.

>>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>>A much better earth is coming
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A much better earth brought to you by the unchanging God
>>>>>>that brought you this one.
>>>>>
>>>>>This one is a result of Adam's disobedience and his imperfect genes at
>>>>>mating time.
>>>>
>>>>The way God created this earth is not important.
>>>
>>>It would be if the Earth traded places with Mercury.
>>>
>>>>The problem is God's inability to learn. (Malachi 3:6)
>>>
>>>Malachi 3:6 doesn't say that at all:
>>>
>>>(Malachi 3:6) 擢or I am Jehovah; I do not change. And you are sons of
>>>Jacob; you have not yet come to your finish.
>>
>>God would need to change in order to learn.
>
>Does a piece of dust tell a skyscraper what to do?

To learn is to change.

>Sincerely James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Thu, 04 Aug 2022 23:17:53 +1000, Lucifer

The Bible doesn't say. It does show he was created perfect, and could
have lived forever on a paradise earth.

That is so true.

>Why can't you think for yourself?

I have in the past, and it got me in a lot of trouble. Since I let
Bible GUIDE me, I have basically stayed out of trouble.

>
>>>>>God had no need to create tears, death, mourning, outcry,
>>>>>and pain.
>>>>
>>>>Those were a result of Adam's sin, not a meanness of God. If God hated
>>>>us so much, why did He ask His only begotten Son to die for us?
>>>
>>>At the time God was written about Human sacrifice was acceptable.
>>
>>Human sacrifice was not acceptable. Nowhere in the Bible did God's
>>servants ever sacrifice a human. When can get an idea of this at
>>Jeremiah:
>>
>>(Jeremiah 7:31) They have built the high places of To´pheth, which is
>>in the Valley of the Son of Hin´nom, in order to burn their sons and
>>their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and
>>that had never even come into my heart.’
>>
>>Thus God never even thought about sacrificing humans.
>
>What do you think,
>"in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire"
>means?

It means that is what the pagans did. But God never thought of doing
such things.

>
>>>We have grown out of that but God can't change.
>>
>>Right. God's moral qualities are forever.
>
>Thus your hope of God coming good is dashed.

If Rev 21:3,4 is showing God to be bad, I can't wait to see what He is
like good.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>God does not have a physical brain so it stands to reason
>>>>>>>>>>>God does not think as we do.
>>>>>>>>>>>God Himself acknowledges that.
>>>>>>>>>>>(Isaiah 55:8) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
>>>>>>>>>>>neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>God is talking about imperfect man here. God's thoughts are much more
>>>>>>>>>>pure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>There are many aspects of God's creation you object to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Name two.
>>>>>
>>>>>The design of our brain.
>>>>>The design of the world.
>>>>
>>>>Good for an answer, but wrong for the truth.
>>>
>>>What do you mean by truth?
>>
>>The question was what I object to.
>
>What do you mean by truth?

That's like saying: What do you object to their cars from the FMC?

Answer: All the dents on the car, and the high gas prices.

>
>>I have no problem with the original
>>design of our brains. And it will soon revert back to that way.
>
>No problem with panic attacks, Ted Bundyism, homosexuality,
>etc?

You will never see them again.

>
>>I do not hold God responsible for the design of the world.
>
>You should.

Not when the design of today's world is from Satan:

(John 14:30) I will not speak with you much more, for the ruler of the
world is coming, and he has no hold on me.

>
>>Evil humans have caused many of the designs, such as Ted Bundy.
>>They exercised their free will in a negative way.
>
>You have no problem with that?

I NEVER said that. I have a problem with all unrighteousness.

>
>>>>I have no aspect of God that I object to. I may have a lack of
>>>>understanding, but don't call it an objection.
>>>
>>>You don't object to God including panic attacks in the design
>>>of our brain?
>>
>>God is not a good and righteous God on the one hand, (such as giving
>>us many pleasures like eating etc) then at the same time acting evil
>>by creating brains that carry medical anomalies.
>
>God is not good and righteous.

See Rev 21:3,4 and still call Him "not good and righteous".

>
>>>>>>God's perfect brains did not have panic attacks, or gay feelings, or
>>>>>>serial killers, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>God put those possibilities into our brain.
>>>>
>>>>Negatrons. God no more put those into our brains, than He did the
>>>>Playboy estate. All of that is a result of free will. Recall, God's
>>>>thoughts are not our thoughts. (Isa 55:8)
>>>
>>>Did God put free will into our brains?
>>
>>Yes, unless He put it into our big toe.
>
>God put panic attacks, and gay feelings, and Ted Bundyism, etc
>into our brains via free will?

Nope. The 'free will' put in our brains started off like a blank
blackboard. We write to it whatever we want.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>If God did His moral duty there would be no need for justice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And just what do you say is God's moral duty?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>To have perfect humans living forever on a paradise earth. (Mt 5:5)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>When God decided to create beings with thoughts and feelings
>>>>>>>>>He took on a moral duty of care.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Which He took care of right up to when Adam and Eve sinned. (He even
>>>>>>>>made clothes for them AFTER they sinned)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The moral duty is a continuing duty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not when he was warned beforehand.
>>>>>
>>>>>God's moral duty is ongoing.
>>>>
>>>>Like a parent's who child get married and moves away?
>>>
>>>God is not like a human parent.
>>
>>You were not around when God cared for the righteous Israelites
>>thousands of years ago. If you were you would feel His warmth.
>>
>>He will soon take a parent's roll again, and satisfy all of our
>>desires.
>
>Malachi 3:6 says that will never happen.

You are misreading it. Rev 21:3,4 says all those things will happen
soon. Although many won't be around long enough to see the complete
fulfillment of it, they will know it was a true statement.

>
>>>>>>>You said God knew what He was doing when He designed our brain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>For sure.
>>>>>
>>>>>Therefore God is responsible for every thought and every action.
>>>>
>>>>Again refer to Isa 55:8 that says that God's thoughts are not ours.
>>>>Thus He can't be totally responsible for all our thoughts. We are free
>>>>will beings, and have the freedom of choice.
>>>
>>>Our brain determines our thoughts and actions.
>>>Thus the designer of our brain is responsible for every thought
>>>and every action.
>>
>>Is the parent still responsible for his child once he gets married and
>>moves away? As the Bible says there is a time and place for
>>everything. And that includes responsibilities.
>
>God is not like a human parent.

On the contrary, He's like one a lot. For example, He is call Father.
As a God, He is nothing like a human father. But yet acts like one at
times. He also has a wife. The nation of Israel back then was
considered as his wife. (Isa 54:6)

>
>>>>>>>>>How can God not be at fault for the way He created?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God did not make Adam sin. God did not make Eve sin. They CHOSE to do
>>>>>>>>that using their free will.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Adam and Eve chose to sin in the same way you chose to have panic
>>>>>>>attacks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Then you must have chosen to have depressions. Why would you want to
>>>>>>do that?
>>>>>
>>>>>God must have included depression in the design of our brain.
>>>>
>>>>And cancers, and TB, and Covid 19, and polio, and etc, etc?
>>>
>>>We can only be the way we were created.
>>
>>We can only be the way our genes make us, and our reaction to the
>>environment, and our own free will.
>
>All things created by God.

The polluted environment of today is nothing like the perfect
environment in Eden. Our imperfect genes are not like the perfect
genes in Eden. But our free will is about the same except we have
certain desires that can influence it.

>
>>>>That wouldn't make any sense. He gave us taste buds, and 3-D color
>>>>vision, a melodic voice, the ability to 'hear' sound waves, a sense of
>>>>pleasure at times, the feelings of happiness, etc. Why would He also
>>>>add a bunch of negative things?
>>>
>>>We don't know everything about God.
>>
>>And we never will. But God is not a Jekyll and Hyde. He is just the
>>Jekyll.
>
>God put Jekyll and Hydeism into our brain.

You misspelled G-o-d. It is spelled D-e-v-i-l.

Why can't you explain it better?

>
>We get angry when we can't control things.
>Why would God get angry?

When people willingly break His laws.

>
>>>>>>After that, genetics took over.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's a pity God listened to you!
>>>>
>>>>Well, I hope not. God has the high wisdom. I do not, except when I
>>>>quote the Bible.
>>>
>>>I don't see wisdom in God causing women to have pain in childbirth.
>>
>>You can thank Eve for that one.
>
>No.
>Genesis 3:16 says,
>To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in childbearing
>very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children.
>Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”
>
>Genesis 3:16 does NOT say,
>“Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"

See the next line down.

>
>>Eve got punished for her disobedience.
>
>Will God punish you for your panic attacks?

Unlike Eve who freely disobeyed God, I have no control without meds
for my panic attacks. Do you cause your depressions?

>
>>We happen to come along with some of her traits. True, it doesn't seem
>>fair. Apparently God was going to let genetics take its course after
>>Adam and Eve, whether for the good or for the bad. He was going to
>>deal with things as they came along.
>
>Not good. Not good at all.
>Certainly not the actions of a good God.

You think in minutes or hours. God thinks in eternity. You may not
understand something now, but will years later. That is how I
responded to the Bible. I don't let a few things in the Bible I don't
understand, stumble me, or claim the Bible is a farce etc. I just wait
for the explanation to come.

>
>>>Genesis 3:16
>>>To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in childbearing
>>>very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children.
>>>Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”
>>>
>>>Genesis 3:16 does not say,
>>>“Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>>
>>Yes, we are caught up in their wake.
>
>Certainly not the actions of a good God.

That shows you don't know your God.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It ain't free will if someone is controlling you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>So it wasn't free will that caused Ted Bundy to be the way he was?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Not free will itself. Free will was the MEANS Ted Bundy used to carry
>>>>>>>>>>>>out his vile acts. Maybe he was insane, or suffered from
>>>>>>>>>>>>schizophrenia etc. At any rate, the State put him to death.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And you say God had no idea what He was doing when He designed
>>>>>>>>>>>our brain?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I didn't say that at all. God designed the human brain perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>God designed the human brain to become corrupted.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Only if they rebelled against God. God's perfect sense of justice did
>>>>>>>>not let them get away scott free.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Get away with what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Get away with disobeying Him and paying the price God said would
>>>>>>happen to them.
>>>>>
>>>>>Is God still stuck back in feudal times?
>>>>
>>>>God was never stuck in anything.
>>>
>>>Does God really punish people for not obeying Him?
>>
>>Yes, the Bible says those who God loves, gets disciplined.
>
>Certainly not the actions of a good God.

Just the reverse. If a parent doesn't discipline his child, that child
can grow up corrupted. When the baby doctor, Dr. Spock, said not to
spank misbehaved children, a generation of juvenile delinquents was
raised.

>
>>>>>>>>>>Jesus showed us that a perfect brain could obey all of God's commands.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Our imperfect brains allow us to fight such tyranny.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God's commands are righteous and pure and for our own good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God's ways are not right for us. -Isaiah 55:8
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(Isaiah 55:8) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways
>>>>>>are not my ways,” declares Jehovah.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not all people think as you do:
>>>>>
>>>>>Thankfully many do.
>>>>
>>>>That's one reason why the world is so messed up. But such thinking
>>>>will soon forever be removed from the earth.
>>>
>>>I'm surprised God ever allowed dissent.
>>
>>If He didn't, no one would know if God's ways were really right for
>>us. That would end peace and harmony during everlasting life. So God
>>in His wisdom, is permitting humans to follow their own course to see
>>the outcome. Humans were not designed to rule themselves.
>
>Certainly not the actions of a good God.

Actually the actions of a loving God who looks ahead.

What way does it work?

>
>>>>>I can't see how we are responsible for how God designed our brain.
>>>>
>>>>We sadly are not. God designed perfect brains. Humans contaminated
>>>>them. God drew a perfect picture. Humans threw dirt on it, and tore it
>>>>up.
>>>
>>>Why did God design our brain to be contaminated?
>>
>>We contaminated it ourselves. The fault lies with us, not with God.
>
>Why did God design our brain to be contaminated?

The brain is an open book with most pages blank. We write on that
brain making it become what it will be.

>
>>>>>>They have tried to blame it on evolution, saying that we came from a
>>>>>>violent savage, animal-like past. And that just came out in them. At
>>>>>>least the courts didn't buy it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Evolution is a terrible thing. I can't see a good God creating a world
>>>>>where life feeds off life and only the strongest survive.
>>>>
>>>>Then you see correctly. A good God never intended for life to be that
>>>>way.
>>>
>>>You appear to be saying God made a mistake but God does not
>>>make mistakes.
>>
>>Your problem is that you don't understand God's wisdom. He does what
>>is best for our eternal future. Not just for a short period of time.
>
>Certainly not the actions of a good God.

I think we have a broken record here.

>
>>>>In the beginning, ALL life was vegetarian. And all life was strong.
>>>>But they were not given everlasting life. Only humans have that
>>>>prospect.
>>>
>>>That's interesting. God made us as just another mammal
>>
>>You keep getting that one wrong. We are far superior to another
>>mammal.
>
>We have the same problems as other mammals.

Not all the same. Yes, we have to breath air like they do. No most of
us don't commit adultery and fornication like they do. Yes, we have to
eat food to sustain life. No we usually don't let bad conduct go
unpunished.

>
>>We have agape love.
>
>Ted Bundy?

What do you mean?

>
>>Also, if we are loyal to God, we can live forever. Mammals can't.
>
>Certainly not the actions of a good God.

Giving us the chance for eternal life is not a good thing?

>
>>>yet only we are threatened with being trapped with God
>>>for eternity.
>>
>>Better trapped with the God who gives you cute little kittens, the
>>pleasure of a gourmet meal, the beauty of a sunset, the pleasure of a
>>concert, the odor of a juicy steak sizzling, etc.
>
>A God who loves the smell of burning flesh.

It is not literally that, but He loves that His servant is obeying His
commands.

>
>Certainly not the actions of a good God.

See above.

>
>>Than being trapped with the Devil who gives you tears, pain, anguish,
>>rapes, murders, abductions, etc.
>
>Where do you get your ideas about the Devil?

I just take a look around the world. There are also Satanic cults that
practice such things. The Bible says that Satan controls the world.
And that is so evident.

>
>>>>>>>Can men create a Devil?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Absolutely, just look at Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy. They were two
>>>>>>man-made devils.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>
>>And they corrupted it.
>
>Why did God design our brain to be corrupted?

He made the brain to mostly be a blank blackboard. We put into it
whatever we desire, and that makes us, us.

>
>>>>Yes, perfectly. No flaws. (like Bundy and Gacy) They both used their
>>>>free will for selfish reasons; to fulfill their lusts. And since they
>>>>were not legally insane, they knew what they did was wrong. But did it
>>>>anyway. Bundy went after and killed girls, and Gacy went after and
>>>>killed boys.
>>>
>>>That doesn't sound like a perfect brain.
>>
>>That's right. It was no longer perfect.
>
>God knew what He was doing when He designed our brain
>to fail.

If God hates humans so much, why are we still alive?

>
>>>>>>>Our personality comes from our brain which you say God designed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, he designed perfect brains. Jesus is a good example. He had a
>>>>>>perfect brain and showed us what it could do by helping people.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jesus failed to provide life saving and life enhancing
>>>>>medical knowledge.
>>>>
>>>>That was not the time for complete miraculous cures. Jesus did his
>>>>miracles etc, to show what will happen when God's kingdom finally
>>>>takes over.
>>>
>>>If Jesus had taught the germ theory of disease lives would have
>>>been greatly enhanced and Christianity would have been proven
>>>to be the one true religion.
>>
>>You wouldn't need much faith then.
>
>Exactly.
>Christianity would have been proven to be the one true religion.

The problem with that is this:

(Hebrews 11:6) Moreover, without faith it is impossible to please God
well, for whoever approaches God must believe that he is and that he
becomes the rewarder of those earnestly seeking him.

Then you don't know what real love is.

>
>>>>>>>>>>He will base it on how well they obeyed His commands:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Today we praise people who fight against tyranny.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God will remove all tyranny when His Kingdom completely takes over.
>>>>>>>>(Mt 24:14; Dan 2:44)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Have you considered the possibility that God has changed for the
>>>>>>>better since the bible was written?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Bible was given by God and foretells and recalls things done or
>>>>>>will do, by God.
>>>>>
>>>>>Everything was given by God!
>>>>
>>>>Even the Playboy estate?
>>>
>>>God designed our brain.
>>
>>Even the Playboy estate?
>
>God designed our brain.

Even Satanic cults?

Sincerely James
Is badness effecting more people?

See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org

>

>>Sincerely James

[Lucifer]

We get angry when we can't control things.
Why would God get angry?

People who think for themselves are a problem for the Watchtower
Committee.

>>>>>>God had no need to create tears, death, mourning, outcry,
>>>>>>and pain.
>>>>>
>>>>>Those were a result of Adam's sin, not a meanness of God. If God hated
>>>>>us so much, why did He ask His only begotten Son to die for us?
>>>>
>>>>At the time God was written about Human sacrifice was acceptable.
>>>
>>>Human sacrifice was not acceptable. Nowhere in the Bible did God's
>>>servants ever sacrifice a human. When can get an idea of this at
>>>Jeremiah:
>>>
>>>(Jeremiah 7:31) They have built the high places of To´pheth, which is
>>>in the Valley of the Son of Hin´nom, in order to burn their sons and
>>>their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and
>>>that had never even come into my heart.’
>>>
>>>Thus God never even thought about sacrificing humans.
>>
>>What do you think,
>>"in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire"
>>means?
>
>It means that is what the pagans did. But God never thought of doing
>such things.

Thus human sacrifice was acceptable.

>>>>We have grown out of that but God can't change.
>>>
>>>Right. God's moral qualities are forever.
>>
>>Thus your hope of God coming good is dashed.
>
>If Rev 21:3,4 is showing God to be bad, I can't wait to see what He is
>like good.

Malachi 3:6 says God will never be good.

>>>>>>>>>>>>God does not have a physical brain so it stands to reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>God does not think as we do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>God Himself acknowledges that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>(Isaiah 55:8) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>God is talking about imperfect man here. God's thoughts are much more
>>>>>>>>>>>pure.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>There are many aspects of God's creation you object to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Name two.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The design of our brain.
>>>>>>The design of the world.
>>>>>
>>>>>Good for an answer, but wrong for the truth.
>>>>
>>>>What do you mean by truth?
>>>
>>>The question was what I object to.
>>
>>What do you mean by truth?
>
>That's like saying: What do you object to their cars from the FMC?
>
>Answer: All the dents on the car, and the high gas prices.

What do YOU mean by truth?

>>>I have no problem with the original
>>>design of our brains. And it will soon revert back to that way.
>>
>>No problem with panic attacks, Ted Bundyism, homosexuality,
>>etc?
>
>You will never see them again.

But we do.
You have no problem with panic attacks, Ted Bundyism, homosexuality,
etc?

>>>I do not hold God responsible for the design of the world.
>>
>>You should.
>
>Not when the design of today's world is from Satan:

The bible says God created the heavens and the earth,
and Satan.

>(John 14:30) I will not speak with you much more, for the ruler of the
>world is coming, and he has no hold on me.
>>
>>>Evil humans have caused many of the designs, such as Ted Bundy.
>>>They exercised their free will in a negative way.
>>
>>You have no problem with that?
>
>I NEVER said that. I have a problem with all unrighteousness.

Then you do have a problem with God's creation.

>>>>>I have no aspect of God that I object to. I may have a lack of
>>>>>understanding, but don't call it an objection.
>>>>
>>>>You don't object to God including panic attacks in the design
>>>>of our brain?
>>>
>>>God is not a good and righteous God on the one hand, (such as giving
>>>us many pleasures like eating etc) then at the same time acting evil
>>>by creating brains that carry medical anomalies.
>>
>>God is not good and righteous.
>
>See Rev 21:3,4 and still call Him "not good and righteous".

It is not good to tease people like that.

>>>>>>>God's perfect brains did not have panic attacks, or gay feelings, or
>>>>>>>serial killers, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God put those possibilities into our brain.
>>>>>
>>>>>Negatrons. God no more put those into our brains, than He did the
>>>>>Playboy estate. All of that is a result of free will. Recall, God's
>>>>>thoughts are not our thoughts. (Isa 55:8)
>>>>
>>>>Did God put free will into our brains?
>>>
>>>Yes, unless He put it into our big toe.
>>
>>God put panic attacks, and gay feelings, and Ted Bundyism, etc
>>into our brains via free will?
>
>Nope. The 'free will' put in our brains started off like a blank
>blackboard. We write to it whatever we want.

Where do the ideas of panic attacks, gay feelings, and Ted Bundyism,
come from?

>>>>>>>>>>>>If God did His moral duty there would be no need for justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And just what do you say is God's moral duty?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>To have perfect humans living forever on a paradise earth. (Mt 5:5)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>When God decided to create beings with thoughts and feelings
>>>>>>>>>>He took on a moral duty of care.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Which He took care of right up to when Adam and Eve sinned. (He even
>>>>>>>>>made clothes for them AFTER they sinned)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The moral duty is a continuing duty.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Not when he was warned beforehand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God's moral duty is ongoing.
>>>>>
>>>>>Like a parent's who child get married and moves away?
>>>>
>>>>God is not like a human parent.
>>>
>>>You were not around when God cared for the righteous Israelites
>>>thousands of years ago. If you were you would feel His warmth.
>>>
>>>He will soon take a parent's roll again, and satisfy all of our
>>>desires.
>>
>>Malachi 3:6 says that will never happen.
>
>You are misreading it. Rev 21:3,4 says all those things will happen
>soon. Although many won't be around long enough to see the complete
>fulfillment of it, they will know it was a true statement.

Malachi 3:6 says Rev 21:4 will never happen.

>>>>>>>>You said God knew what He was doing when He designed our brain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Therefore God is responsible for every thought and every action.
>>>>>
>>>>>Again refer to Isa 55:8 that says that God's thoughts are not ours.
>>>>>Thus He can't be totally responsible for all our thoughts. We are free
>>>>>will beings, and have the freedom of choice.
>>>>
>>>>Our brain determines our thoughts and actions.
>>>>Thus the designer of our brain is responsible for every thought
>>>>and every action.
>>>
>>>Is the parent still responsible for his child once he gets married and
>>>moves away? As the Bible says there is a time and place for
>>>everything. And that includes responsibilities.
>>
>>God is not like a human parent.
>
>On the contrary, He's like one a lot. For example, He is call Father.
>As a God, He is nothing like a human father. But yet acts like one at
>times. He also has a wife. The nation of Israel back then was
>considered as his wife. (Isa 54:6)

I heard that God was into Polygamy.

>>>>>>>>>>How can God not be at fault for the way He created?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>God did not make Adam sin. God did not make Eve sin. They CHOSE to do
>>>>>>>>>that using their free will.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Adam and Eve chose to sin in the same way you chose to have panic
>>>>>>>>attacks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Then you must have chosen to have depressions. Why would you want to
>>>>>>>do that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God must have included depression in the design of our brain.
>>>>>
>>>>>And cancers, and TB, and Covid 19, and polio, and etc, etc?
>>>>
>>>>We can only be the way we were created.
>>>
>>>We can only be the way our genes make us, and our reaction to the
>>>environment, and our own free will.
>>
>>All things created by God.
>
>The polluted environment of today is nothing like the perfect
>environment in Eden. Our imperfect genes are not like the perfect
>genes in Eden. But our free will is about the same except we have
>certain desires that can influence it.

You surprise me when you say you are happy with all that.

>>>>>That wouldn't make any sense. He gave us taste buds, and 3-D color
>>>>>vision, a melodic voice, the ability to 'hear' sound waves, a sense of
>>>>>pleasure at times, the feelings of happiness, etc. Why would He also
>>>>>add a bunch of negative things?
>>>>
>>>>We don't know everything about God.
>>>
>>>And we never will. But God is not a Jekyll and Hyde. He is just the
>>>Jekyll.
>>
>>God put Jekyll and Hydeism into our brain.
>
>You misspelled G-o-d. It is spelled D-e-v-i-l.

If we refer to God as Devil it will cause confusion.

I'm asking why.

>>>>>>>After that, genetics took over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's a pity God listened to you!
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, I hope not. God has the high wisdom. I do not, except when I
>>>>>quote the Bible.
>>>>
>>>>I don't see wisdom in God causing women to have pain in childbirth.
>>>
>>>You can thank Eve for that one.
>>
>>No.
>>Genesis 3:16 says,
>>To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in childbearing
>>very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children.
>>Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”
>>
>>Genesis 3:16 does NOT say,
>>“Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>
>See the next line down.
>
>>
>>>Eve got punished for her disobedience.
>>
>>Will God punish you for your panic attacks?
>
>Unlike Eve who freely disobeyed God, I have no control without meds
>for my panic attacks.

You don't have free will?

>Do you cause your depressions?

You are such a hypocrite. You claim to be a victim of the way God
designed our brain but say homosexuals freely choose their attraction.

>>>We happen to come along with some of her traits. True, it doesn't seem
>>>fair. Apparently God was going to let genetics take its course after
>>>Adam and Eve, whether for the good or for the bad. He was going to
>>>deal with things as they came along.
>>
>>Not good. Not good at all.
>>Certainly not the actions of a good God.
>
>You think in minutes or hours. God thinks in eternity. You may not
>understand something now, but will years later. That is how I
>responded to the Bible. I don't let a few things in the Bible I don't
>understand, stumble me, or claim the Bible is a farce etc. I just wait
>for the explanation to come.

There is help available for people in your situation.

>>>>Genesis 3:16
>>>>To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in childbearing
>>>>very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children.
>>>>Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”
>>>>
>>>>Genesis 3:16 does not say,
>>>>“Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>>>
>>>Yes, we are caught up in their wake.
>>
>>Certainly not the actions of a good God.
>
>That shows you don't know your God.

I know you are not describing the actions of a good God.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It ain't free will if someone is controlling you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So it wasn't free will that caused Ted Bundy to be the way he was?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not free will itself. Free will was the MEANS Ted Bundy used to carry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>out his vile acts. Maybe he was insane, or suffered from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>schizophrenia etc. At any rate, the State put him to death.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>And you say God had no idea what He was doing when He designed
>>>>>>>>>>>>our brain?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I didn't say that at all. God designed the human brain perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>God designed the human brain to become corrupted.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Only if they rebelled against God. God's perfect sense of justice did
>>>>>>>>>not let them get away scott free.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Get away with what?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Get away with disobeying Him and paying the price God said would
>>>>>>>happen to them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is God still stuck back in feudal times?
>>>>>
>>>>>God was never stuck in anything.
>>>>
>>>>Does God really punish people for not obeying Him?
>>>
>>>Yes, the Bible says those who God loves, gets disciplined.
>>
>>Certainly not the actions of a good God.
>
>Just the reverse. If a parent doesn't discipline his child, that child
>can grow up corrupted. When the baby doctor, Dr. Spock, said not to
>spank misbehaved children, a generation of juvenile delinquents was
>raised.

Sounds like you do have a problem with the way God created.

>>>>>>>>>>>Jesus showed us that a perfect brain could obey all of God's commands.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Our imperfect brains allow us to fight such tyranny.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>God's commands are righteous and pure and for our own good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God's ways are not right for us. -Isaiah 55:8
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>(Isaiah 55:8) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways
>>>>>>>are not my ways,” declares Jehovah.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Not all people think as you do:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thankfully many do.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's one reason why the world is so messed up. But such thinking
>>>>>will soon forever be removed from the earth.
>>>>
>>>>I'm surprised God ever allowed dissent.
>>>
>>>If He didn't, no one would know if God's ways were really right for
>>>us. That would end peace and harmony during everlasting life. So God
>>>in His wisdom, is permitting humans to follow their own course to see
>>>the outcome. Humans were not designed to rule themselves.
>>
>>Certainly not the actions of a good God.
>
>Actually the actions of a loving God who looks ahead.

You said God doesn't look ahead.

God put the things you don't approve of into our brain but they
are not all active in anyone.

>>>>>>I can't see how we are responsible for how God designed our brain.
>>>>>
>>>>>We sadly are not. God designed perfect brains. Humans contaminated
>>>>>them. God drew a perfect picture. Humans threw dirt on it, and tore it
>>>>>up.
>>>>
>>>>Why did God design our brain to be contaminated?
>>>
>>>We contaminated it ourselves. The fault lies with us, not with God.
>>
>>Why did God design our brain to be contaminated?
>
>The brain is an open book with most pages blank. We write on that
>brain making it become what it will be.

What makes some desire to have panic attacks?

>>>>>>>They have tried to blame it on evolution, saying that we came from a
>>>>>>>violent savage, animal-like past. And that just came out in them. At
>>>>>>>least the courts didn't buy it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Evolution is a terrible thing. I can't see a good God creating a world
>>>>>>where life feeds off life and only the strongest survive.
>>>>>
>>>>>Then you see correctly. A good God never intended for life to be that
>>>>>way.
>>>>
>>>>You appear to be saying God made a mistake but God does not
>>>>make mistakes.
>>>
>>>Your problem is that you don't understand God's wisdom. He does what
>>>is best for our eternal future. Not just for a short period of time.
>>
>>Certainly not the actions of a good God.
>
>I think we have a broken record here.

You don't know the power of God.

>>>>>In the beginning, ALL life was vegetarian. And all life was strong.
>>>>>But they were not given everlasting life. Only humans have that
>>>>>prospect.
>>>>
>>>>That's interesting. God made us as just another mammal
>>>
>>>You keep getting that one wrong. We are far superior to another
>>>mammal.
>>
>>We have the same problems as other mammals.
>
>Not all the same. Yes, we have to breath air like they do. No most of
>us don't commit adultery and fornication like they do. Yes, we have to
>eat food to sustain life. No we usually don't let bad conduct go
>unpunished.

We are made of the same stuff.

>>>We have agape love.
>>
>>Ted Bundy?
>
>What do you mean?

Ted Bundy had agape love?

>>>Also, if we are loyal to God, we can live forever. Mammals can't.
>>
>>Certainly not the actions of a good God.
>
>Giving us the chance for eternal life is not a good thing?

Certainly not the actions of a good God.

>>>>yet only we are threatened with being trapped with God
>>>>for eternity.
>>>
>>>Better trapped with the God who gives you cute little kittens, the
>>>pleasure of a gourmet meal, the beauty of a sunset, the pleasure of a
>>>concert, the odor of a juicy steak sizzling, etc.
>>
>>A God who loves the smell of burning flesh.
>
>It is not literally that, but He loves that His servant is obeying His
>commands.

Why is God obsessed with being obeyed?

>>Certainly not the actions of a good God.
>
>See above.
>
>>
>>>Than being trapped with the Devil who gives you tears, pain, anguish,
>>>rapes, murders, abductions, etc.
>>
>>Where do you get your ideas about the Devil?
>
>I just take a look around the world. There are also Satanic cults that
>practice such things. The Bible says that Satan controls the world.
>And that is so evident.

What makes you think the Devil has anything to do with the
way God created the world?

>>>>>>>>Can men create a Devil?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Absolutely, just look at Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy. They were two
>>>>>>>man-made devils.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>>
>>>And they corrupted it.
>>
>>Why did God design our brain to be corrupted?
>
>He made the brain to mostly be a blank blackboard. We put into it
>whatever we desire, and that makes us, us.

What gives us those desires?

>>>>>Yes, perfectly. No flaws. (like Bundy and Gacy) They both used their
>>>>>free will for selfish reasons; to fulfill their lusts. And since they
>>>>>were not legally insane, they knew what they did was wrong. But did it
>>>>>anyway. Bundy went after and killed girls, and Gacy went after and
>>>>>killed boys.
>>>>
>>>>That doesn't sound like a perfect brain.
>>>
>>>That's right. It was no longer perfect.
>>
>>God knew what He was doing when He designed our brain
>>to fail.
>
>If God hates humans so much, why are we still alive?

So God can toy with us. Duh!

>>>>>>>>Our personality comes from our brain which you say God designed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, he designed perfect brains. Jesus is a good example. He had a
>>>>>>>perfect brain and showed us what it could do by helping people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jesus failed to provide life saving and life enhancing
>>>>>>medical knowledge.
>>>>>
>>>>>That was not the time for complete miraculous cures. Jesus did his
>>>>>miracles etc, to show what will happen when God's kingdom finally
>>>>>takes over.
>>>>
>>>>If Jesus had taught the germ theory of disease lives would have
>>>>been greatly enhanced and Christianity would have been proven
>>>>to be the one true religion.
>>>
>>>You wouldn't need much faith then.
>>
>>Exactly.
>>Christianity would have been proven to be the one true religion.
>
>The problem with that is this:
>
>(Hebrews 11:6) Moreover, without faith it is impossible to please God
>well, for whoever approaches God must believe that he is and that he
>becomes the rewarder of those earnestly seeking him.

Certainly not the actions of a good God.

What do YOU mean by real?

>>>>>>>>>>>He will base it on how well they obeyed His commands:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Today we praise people who fight against tyranny.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>God will remove all tyranny when His Kingdom completely takes over.
>>>>>>>>>(Mt 24:14; Dan 2:44)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Have you considered the possibility that God has changed for the
>>>>>>>>better since the bible was written?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Bible was given by God and foretells and recalls things done or
>>>>>>>will do, by God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Everything was given by God!
>>>>>
>>>>>Even the Playboy estate?
>>>>
>>>>God designed our brain.
>>>
>>>Even the Playboy estate?
>>
>>God designed our brain.
>
>Even Satanic cults?

God designed our brain.

>Sincerely James
>Is badness effecting more people?

Badness cannot effect people.
Only God or people can effect people.

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Sat, 06 Aug 2022 10:53:32 +1000, Lucifer

Because God knew the results of His disobedience. And that didn't make
Him happy.

He does care. That is why He had the Bible written. It's not God's
fault if people willingly choose to NOT follow His written word:

(Jeremiah 10:23) I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not
belong to him. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct
his step.

>
>>>Why can't you think for yourself?
>>
>>I have in the past, and it got me in a lot of trouble. Since I let
>>Bible GUIDE me, I have basically stayed out of trouble.
>
>People who think for themselves are a problem for the Watchtower
>Committee.

Your so wrong. I should know.

>
>>>>>>>God had no need to create tears, death, mourning, outcry,
>>>>>>>and pain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Those were a result of Adam's sin, not a meanness of God. If God hated
>>>>>>us so much, why did He ask His only begotten Son to die for us?
>>>>>
>>>>>At the time God was written about Human sacrifice was acceptable.
>>>>
>>>>Human sacrifice was not acceptable. Nowhere in the Bible did God's
>>>>servants ever sacrifice a human. When can get an idea of this at
>>>>Jeremiah:
>>>>
>>>>(Jeremiah 7:31) They have built the high places of To´pheth, which is
>>>>in the Valley of the Son of Hin´nom, in order to burn their sons and
>>>>their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and
>>>>that had never even come into my heart.’
>>>>
>>>>Thus God never even thought about sacrificing humans.
>>>
>>>What do you think,
>>>"in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire"
>>>means?
>>
>>It means that is what the pagans did. But God never thought of doing
>>such things.
>
>Thus human sacrifice was acceptable.

To the pagans.

>
>>>>>We have grown out of that but God can't change.
>>>>
>>>>Right. God's moral qualities are forever.
>>>
>>>Thus your hope of God coming good is dashed.
>>
>>If Rev 21:3,4 is showing God to be bad, I can't wait to see what He is
>>like good.
>
>Malachi 3:6 says God will never be good.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>God does not have a physical brain so it stands to reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>>God does not think as we do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>God Himself acknowledges that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>(Isaiah 55:8) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>God is talking about imperfect man here. God's thoughts are much more
>>>>>>>>>>>>pure.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>There are many aspects of God's creation you object to.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Name two.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The design of our brain.
>>>>>>>The design of the world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Good for an answer, but wrong for the truth.
>>>>>
>>>>>What do you mean by truth?
>>>>
>>>>The question was what I object to.
>>>
>>>What do you mean by truth?
>>
>>That's like saying: What do you object to their cars from the FMC?
>>
>>Answer: All the dents on the car, and the high gas prices.
>
>What do YOU mean by truth?

Words from the Bible.

>
>>>>I have no problem with the original
>>>>design of our brains. And it will soon revert back to that way.
>>>
>>>No problem with panic attacks, Ted Bundyism, homosexuality,
>>>etc?
>>
>>You will never see them again.
>
>But we do.
>You have no problem with panic attacks, Ted Bundyism, homosexuality,
>etc?

And you have no problems with depression?

>
>>>>I do not hold God responsible for the design of the world.
>>>
>>>You should.
>>
>>Not when the design of today's world is from Satan:
>
>The bible says God created the heavens and the earth,
>and Satan.

The first use of the word "Satan" is found at 1 Chron 21:1.

>
>>(John 14:30) I will not speak with you much more, for the ruler of the
>>world is coming, and he has no hold on me.
>>>
>>>>Evil humans have caused many of the designs, such as Ted Bundy.
>>>>They exercised their free will in a negative way.
>>>
>>>You have no problem with that?
>>
>>I NEVER said that. I have a problem with all unrighteousness.
>
>Then you do have a problem with God's creation.

No, I have a problem with the Devil's rule.

>
>>>>>>I have no aspect of God that I object to. I may have a lack of
>>>>>>understanding, but don't call it an objection.
>>>>>
>>>>>You don't object to God including panic attacks in the design
>>>>>of our brain?
>>>>
>>>>God is not a good and righteous God on the one hand, (such as giving
>>>>us many pleasures like eating etc) then at the same time acting evil
>>>>by creating brains that carry medical anomalies.
>>>
>>>God is not good and righteous.
>>
>>See Rev 21:3,4 and still call Him "not good and righteous".
>
>It is not good to tease people like that.

The Bible doesn't tease. It just tells the truth.

>
>>>>>>>>God's perfect brains did not have panic attacks, or gay feelings, or
>>>>>>>>serial killers, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God put those possibilities into our brain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Negatrons. God no more put those into our brains, than He did the
>>>>>>Playboy estate. All of that is a result of free will. Recall, God's
>>>>>>thoughts are not our thoughts. (Isa 55:8)
>>>>>
>>>>>Did God put free will into our brains?
>>>>
>>>>Yes, unless He put it into our big toe.
>>>
>>>God put panic attacks, and gay feelings, and Ted Bundyism, etc
>>>into our brains via free will?
>>
>>Nope. The 'free will' put in our brains started off like a blank
>>blackboard. We write to it whatever we want.
>
>Where do the ideas of panic attacks, gay feelings, and Ted Bundyism,
>come from?

You are mixing apples and oranges. Panic attracts are a medical
problem which has nothing to do with choice. The others can be
controlled by choice.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>If God did His moral duty there would be no need for justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>And just what do you say is God's moral duty?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>To have perfect humans living forever on a paradise earth. (Mt 5:5)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>When God decided to create beings with thoughts and feelings
>>>>>>>>>>>He took on a moral duty of care.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Which He took care of right up to when Adam and Eve sinned. (He even
>>>>>>>>>>made clothes for them AFTER they sinned)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The moral duty is a continuing duty.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Not when he was warned beforehand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God's moral duty is ongoing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Like a parent's who child get married and moves away?
>>>>>
>>>>>God is not like a human parent.
>>>>
>>>>You were not around when God cared for the righteous Israelites
>>>>thousands of years ago. If you were you would feel His warmth.
>>>>
>>>>He will soon take a parent's roll again, and satisfy all of our
>>>>desires.
>>>
>>>Malachi 3:6 says that will never happen.
>>
>>You are misreading it. Rev 21:3,4 says all those things will happen
>>soon. Although many won't be around long enough to see the complete
>>fulfillment of it, they will know it was a true statement.
>
>Malachi 3:6 says Rev 21:4 will never happen.

We'll just wait and see.

>
>>>>>>>>>You said God knew what He was doing when He designed our brain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>For sure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Therefore God is responsible for every thought and every action.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Again refer to Isa 55:8 that says that God's thoughts are not ours.
>>>>>>Thus He can't be totally responsible for all our thoughts. We are free
>>>>>>will beings, and have the freedom of choice.
>>>>>
>>>>>Our brain determines our thoughts and actions.
>>>>>Thus the designer of our brain is responsible for every thought
>>>>>and every action.
>>>>
>>>>Is the parent still responsible for his child once he gets married and
>>>>moves away? As the Bible says there is a time and place for
>>>>everything. And that includes responsibilities.
>>>
>>>God is not like a human parent.
>>
>>On the contrary, He's like one a lot. For example, He is call Father.
>>As a God, He is nothing like a human father. But yet acts like one at
>>times. He also has a wife. The nation of Israel back then was
>>considered as his wife. (Isa 54:6)
>
>I heard that God was into Polygamy.

For a period of time God put up with it. But the NT outlaws it.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>How can God not be at fault for the way He created?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>God did not make Adam sin. God did not make Eve sin. They CHOSE to do
>>>>>>>>>>that using their free will.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Adam and Eve chose to sin in the same way you chose to have panic
>>>>>>>>>attacks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Then you must have chosen to have depressions. Why would you want to
>>>>>>>>do that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God must have included depression in the design of our brain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And cancers, and TB, and Covid 19, and polio, and etc, etc?
>>>>>
>>>>>We can only be the way we were created.
>>>>
>>>>We can only be the way our genes make us, and our reaction to the
>>>>environment, and our own free will.
>>>
>>>All things created by God.
>>
>>The polluted environment of today is nothing like the perfect
>>environment in Eden. Our imperfect genes are not like the perfect
>>genes in Eden. But our free will is about the same except we have
>>certain desires that can influence it.
>
>You surprise me when you say you are happy with all that.

Try as I may, I do not see the word "happy" in my comment.

>
>>>>>>That wouldn't make any sense. He gave us taste buds, and 3-D color
>>>>>>vision, a melodic voice, the ability to 'hear' sound waves, a sense of
>>>>>>pleasure at times, the feelings of happiness, etc. Why would He also
>>>>>>add a bunch of negative things?
>>>>>
>>>>>We don't know everything about God.
>>>>
>>>>And we never will. But God is not a Jekyll and Hyde. He is just the
>>>>Jekyll.
>>>
>>>God put Jekyll and Hydeism into our brain.
>>
>>You misspelled G-o-d. It is spelled D-e-v-i-l.
>
>If we refer to God as Devil it will cause confusion.

God is God. The Devil is the Devil. You can't mix the two.

He has His reasons.

>
>>>We get angry when we can't control things.
>>>Why would God get angry?
>>
>>When people willingly break His laws.
>
>I'm asking why.

That's one of the reasons.

>
>>>>>>>>After that, genetics took over.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's a pity God listened to you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, I hope not. God has the high wisdom. I do not, except when I
>>>>>>quote the Bible.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't see wisdom in God causing women to have pain in childbirth.
>>>>
>>>>You can thank Eve for that one.
>>>
>>>No.
>>>Genesis 3:16 says,
>>>To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in childbearing
>>>very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children.
>>>Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”
>>>
>>>Genesis 3:16 does NOT say,
>>>“Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>>
>>See the next line down.
>>
>>>
>>>>Eve got punished for her disobedience.
>>>
>>>Will God punish you for your panic attacks?
>>
>>Unlike Eve who freely disobeyed God, I have no control without meds
>>for my panic attacks.
>
>You don't have free will?

I can't control medical conditions anymore than you can.

>
>>Do you cause your depressions?
>
>You are such a hypocrite. You claim to be a victim of the way God
>designed our brain but say homosexuals freely choose their attraction.

That's what the Bible says. And I believe it. There is no homosexual
gene. The hypocrites are the ones that says there is.

>
>>>>We happen to come along with some of her traits. True, it doesn't seem
>>>>fair. Apparently God was going to let genetics take its course after
>>>>Adam and Eve, whether for the good or for the bad. He was going to
>>>>deal with things as they came along.
>>>
>>>Not good. Not good at all.
>>>Certainly not the actions of a good God.
>>
>>You think in minutes or hours. God thinks in eternity. You may not
>>understand something now, but will years later. That is how I
>>responded to the Bible. I don't let a few things in the Bible I don't
>>understand, stumble me, or claim the Bible is a farce etc. I just wait
>>for the explanation to come.
>
>There is help available for people in your situation.

Not in my situation, but for those in cults etc.

>
>>>>>Genesis 3:16
>>>>>To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in childbearing
>>>>>very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children.
>>>>>Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”
>>>>>
>>>>>Genesis 3:16 does not say,
>>>>>“Adam will make your pains in childbearing very severe;"
>>>>
>>>>Yes, we are caught up in their wake.
>>>
>>>Certainly not the actions of a good God.
>>
>>That shows you don't know your God.
>
>I know you are not describing the actions of a good God.

I don't have to. The Bible already does that.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It ain't free will if someone is controlling you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So it wasn't free will that caused Ted Bundy to be the way he was?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not free will itself. Free will was the MEANS Ted Bundy used to carry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>out his vile acts. Maybe he was insane, or suffered from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>schizophrenia etc. At any rate, the State put him to death.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>And you say God had no idea what He was doing when He designed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>our brain?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I didn't say that at all. God designed the human brain perfectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>God designed the human brain to become corrupted.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Only if they rebelled against God. God's perfect sense of justice did
>>>>>>>>>>not let them get away scott free.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Get away with what?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Get away with disobeying Him and paying the price God said would
>>>>>>>>happen to them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Is God still stuck back in feudal times?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God was never stuck in anything.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does God really punish people for not obeying Him?
>>>>
>>>>Yes, the Bible says those who God loves, gets disciplined.
>>>
>>>Certainly not the actions of a good God.
>>
>>Just the reverse. If a parent doesn't discipline his child, that child
>>can grow up corrupted. When the baby doctor, Dr. Spock, said not to
>>spank misbehaved children, a generation of juvenile delinquents was
>>raised.
>
>Sounds like you do have a problem with the way God created.

Actually, you have a problem with God. The One who saw to it that you
have life. The one who causes rain to fall on our food sources. The
One who gives us air to breath. The One who shows us how to have a
strong family life. Etc.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Jesus showed us that a perfect brain could obey all of God's commands.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Our imperfect brains allow us to fight such tyranny.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>God's commands are righteous and pure and for our own good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>God's ways are not right for us. -Isaiah 55:8
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>(Isaiah 55:8) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways
>>>>>>>>are not my ways,” declares Jehovah.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Not all people think as you do:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thankfully many do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's one reason why the world is so messed up. But such thinking
>>>>>>will soon forever be removed from the earth.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm surprised God ever allowed dissent.
>>>>
>>>>If He didn't, no one would know if God's ways were really right for
>>>>us. That would end peace and harmony during everlasting life. So God
>>>>in His wisdom, is permitting humans to follow their own course to see
>>>>the outcome. Humans were not designed to rule themselves.
>>>
>>>Certainly not the actions of a good God.
>>
>>Actually the actions of a loving God who looks ahead.
>
>You said God doesn't look ahead.

I said He don't ALWAYS look ahead.

God is love. (1 John 4:8) As long as you are loyal to him, you have
nothing to worry about.

>
>>>>>>>I can't see how we are responsible for how God designed our brain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We sadly are not. God designed perfect brains. Humans contaminated
>>>>>>them. God drew a perfect picture. Humans threw dirt on it, and tore it
>>>>>>up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did God design our brain to be contaminated?
>>>>
>>>>We contaminated it ourselves. The fault lies with us, not with God.
>>>
>>>Why did God design our brain to be contaminated?
>>
>>The brain is an open book with most pages blank. We write on that
>>brain making it become what it will be.
>
>What makes some desire to have panic attacks?

What makes some desire to have deep depressions? Or do they?

>
>>>>>>>>They have tried to blame it on evolution, saying that we came from a
>>>>>>>>violent savage, animal-like past. And that just came out in them. At
>>>>>>>>least the courts didn't buy it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Evolution is a terrible thing. I can't see a good God creating a world
>>>>>>>where life feeds off life and only the strongest survive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Then you see correctly. A good God never intended for life to be that
>>>>>>way.
>>>>>
>>>>>You appear to be saying God made a mistake but God does not
>>>>>make mistakes.
>>>>
>>>>Your problem is that you don't understand God's wisdom. He does what
>>>>is best for our eternal future. Not just for a short period of time.
>>>
>>>Certainly not the actions of a good God.
>>
>>I think we have a broken record here.
>
>You don't know the power of God.

Being the Creator of zillions of suns, no one does..

>
>>>>>>In the beginning, ALL life was vegetarian. And all life was strong.
>>>>>>But they were not given everlasting life. Only humans have that
>>>>>>prospect.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's interesting. God made us as just another mammal
>>>>
>>>>You keep getting that one wrong. We are far superior to another
>>>>mammal.
>>>
>>>We have the same problems as other mammals.
>>
>>Not all the same. Yes, we have to breath air like they do. No most of
>>us don't commit adultery and fornication like they do. Yes, we have to
>>eat food to sustain life. No we usually don't let bad conduct go
>>unpunished.
>
>We are made of the same stuff.

Your macroevolution says we all have monkey blood in us.

>
>>>>We have agape love.
>>>
>>>Ted Bundy?
>>
>>What do you mean?
>
>Ted Bundy had agape love?

And the moon is made of green cheese.

>
>>>>Also, if we are loyal to God, we can live forever. Mammals can't.
>>>
>>>Certainly not the actions of a good God.
>>
>>Giving us the chance for eternal life is not a good thing?
>
>Certainly not the actions of a good God.

You need to look up the word "good".

>
>>>>>yet only we are threatened with being trapped with God
>>>>>for eternity.
>>>>
>>>>Better trapped with the God who gives you cute little kittens, the
>>>>pleasure of a gourmet meal, the beauty of a sunset, the pleasure of a
>>>>concert, the odor of a juicy steak sizzling, etc.
>>>
>>>A God who loves the smell of burning flesh.
>>
>>It is not literally that, but He loves that His servant is obeying His
>>commands.
>
>Why is God obsessed with being obeyed?

I don't know. I believe He deserves it, by being the Creator and all.

>
>>>Certainly not the actions of a good God.
>>

>>See above.
>>
>>>
>>>>Than being trapped with the Devil who gives you tears, pain, anguish,
>>>>rapes, murders, abductions, etc.
>>>
>>>Where do you get your ideas about the Devil?
>>
>>I just take a look around the world. There are also Satanic cults that
>>practice such things. The Bible says that Satan controls the world.
>>And that is so evident.
>
>What makes you think the Devil has anything to do with the
>way God created the world?

The Devil tries to change things to an evil way.

>
>>>>>>>>>Can men create a Devil?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Absolutely, just look at Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy. They were two
>>>>>>>>man-made devils.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>>>
>>>>And they corrupted it.
>>>
>>>Why did God design our brain to be corrupted?
>>
>>He made the brain to mostly be a blank blackboard. We put into it
>>whatever we desire, and that makes us, us.
>
>What gives us those desires?

It's apparently how we are wired.

>
>>>>>>Yes, perfectly. No flaws. (like Bundy and Gacy) They both used their
>>>>>>free will for selfish reasons; to fulfill their lusts. And since they
>>>>>>were not legally insane, they knew what they did was wrong. But did it
>>>>>>anyway. Bundy went after and killed girls, and Gacy went after and
>>>>>>killed boys.
>>>>>
>>>>>That doesn't sound like a perfect brain.
>>>>
>>>>That's right. It was no longer perfect.
>>>
>>>God knew what He was doing when He designed our brain
>>>to fail.
>>
>>If God hates humans so much, why are we still alive?
>
>So God can toy with us. Duh!

You would know it if God was 'toying' with you.

>
>>>>>>>>>Our personality comes from our brain which you say God designed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes, he designed perfect brains. Jesus is a good example. He had a
>>>>>>>>perfect brain and showed us what it could do by helping people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jesus failed to provide life saving and life enhancing
>>>>>>>medical knowledge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That was not the time for complete miraculous cures. Jesus did his
>>>>>>miracles etc, to show what will happen when God's kingdom finally
>>>>>>takes over.
>>>>>
>>>>>If Jesus had taught the germ theory of disease lives would have
>>>>>been greatly enhanced and Christianity would have been proven
>>>>>to be the one true religion.
>>>>
>>>>You wouldn't need much faith then.
>>>
>>>Exactly.
>>>Christianity would have been proven to be the one true religion.
>>
>>The problem with that is this:
>>
>>(Hebrews 11:6) Moreover, without faith it is impossible to please God
>>well, for whoever approaches God must believe that he is and that he
>>becomes the rewarder of those earnestly seeking him.
>
>Certainly not the actions of a good God.

Look up the word "good".

Principled love like giving one's life for another.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>He will base it on how well they obeyed His commands:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Today we praise people who fight against tyranny.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>God will remove all tyranny when His Kingdom completely takes over.
>>>>>>>>>>(Mt 24:14; Dan 2:44)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Have you considered the possibility that God has changed for the
>>>>>>>>>better since the bible was written?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The Bible was given by God and foretells and recalls things done or
>>>>>>>>will do, by God.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Everything was given by God!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Even the Playboy estate?
>>>>>
>>>>>God designed our brain.
>>>>
>>>>Even the Playboy estate?
>>>
>>>God designed our brain.
>>
>>Even Satanic cults?
>
>God designed our brain.

Even Satanic cult?

>
>>Sincerely James
>>Is badness effecting more people?
>
>Badness cannot effect people.
>Only God or people can effect people.

Then Ted Bundy was not a bad person then?

Sincerely James
Is badness effecting more people?

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Fri, 05 Aug 2022 08:10:28 +1000, Lucifer

<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 04 Aug 2022 14:35:24 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 12:27:53 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 21:02:33 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 17:35:23 +1000, Lucifer
>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 09:26:43 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>I can't imagine a God worthy of the name making such a mess of things.
>>>It would make sense if we were a product of an uncaring
>>>natural function.
>>
>>You wouldn't want to eliminate death? God can. Nature can't.
>
>I can't imagine a God worthy of the name making such a mess of things.
>It would make sense if we were a product of an uncaring
>natural function.

A natural function is when you go to the bathroom. God has not made a
mess of anything. But He will straighten out human messes.

>
>>>>>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>>>>>A much better earth is coming
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>A much better earth brought to you by the unchanging God
>>>>>>>>>that brought you this one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Rather, the unchanging morals of the God who is to correct all the
>>>>>>>>errors made today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That would require God to admit He did us a great wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God is not going to admit something He did not do.
>>>>>
>>>>>You need to explain to God He is NOT doing a good job.
>>>>
>>>>He hasn't really started yet. When He starts, then make your comment.
>
>YOU need to explain to God He is NOT doing a good job.

Wait till the Scriptures are fulfilled. Then He will start ruling.

>
>>>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>>>A much better earth is coming
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>A much better earth brought to you by the unchanging God
>>>>>>>that brought you this one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This one is a result of Adam's disobedience and his imperfect genes at
>>>>>>mating time.
>>>>>
>>>>>The way God created this earth is not important.
>>>>
>>>>It would be if the Earth traded places with Mercury.
>>>>
>>>>>The problem is God's inability to learn. (Malachi 3:6)
>>>>
>>>>Malachi 3:6 doesn't say that at all:
>>>>
>>>>(Malachi 3:6) 擢or I am Jehovah; I do not change. And you are sons of
>>>>Jacob; you have not yet come to your finish.
>>>
>>>God would need to change in order to learn.
>>
>>Does a piece of dust tell a skyscraper what to do?
>
>To learn is to change.

It depends upon what you are learning.

>
>>Sincerely James

Sincerely James
Is badness effecting more people?

[Lucifer]

On Sat, 06 Aug 2022 07:41:02 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Fri, 05 Aug 2022 08:10:28 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 04 Aug 2022 14:35:24 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 12:27:53 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 21:02:33 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 17:35:23 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 09:26:43 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I can't imagine a God worthy of the name making such a mess of things.
>>>>It would make sense if we were a product of an uncaring
>>>>natural function.
>>>
>>>You wouldn't want to eliminate death? God can. Nature can't.
>>
>>I can't imagine a God worthy of the name making such a mess of things.
>>It would make sense if we were a product of an uncaring
>>natural function.
>
>A natural function is when you go to the bathroom.

I'm pretty sure bathrooms are not naturally occurring.

>God has not made a
>mess of anything. But He will straighten out human messes.

Search "open defecation."

>Sincerely James
>Is badness effecting more people?

An emotion cannot cause people to exist.

[Lucifer]

On Sat, 06 Aug 2022 06:04:27 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Sat, 06 Aug 2022 10:53:32 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 05 Aug 2022 10:09:31 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 04 Aug 2022 23:17:53 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>>We get angry when we can't control things.
>>Why would God get angry?
>
>Because God knew the results of His disobedience.

Why did God disobey?

>And that didn't make Him happy.

Why would God not be happy with Himself?

We get angry when we can't control things.

>>>>>>God's moral duty of care continues as long as there are living beings.
>>>>>
>>>>>Your lack of understanding of the Bible, leads you to think that way.
>>>>
>>>>My thinking has nothing to do with the bible.
>>>
>>>That is so true.
>>
>>When God decided to create beings with thoughts and feelings
>>He took on an ongoing moral duty of care.
>
>He does care. That is why He had the Bible written. It's not God's
>fault if people willingly choose to NOT follow His written word:

How can it not be God's fault?

>(Jeremiah 10:23) I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not
>belong to him. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct
>his step.
>
>>>>Why can't you think for yourself?
>>>
>>>I have in the past, and it got me in a lot of trouble. Since I let
>>>Bible GUIDE me, I have basically stayed out of trouble.
>>
>>People who think for themselves are a problem for the Watchtower
>>Committee.
>
>Your so wrong.

Is what?

>I should know.

How so?

>>>>>>At the time God was written about Human sacrifice was acceptable.
>>>>>
>>>>>Human sacrifice was not acceptable. Nowhere in the Bible did God's
>>>>>servants ever sacrifice a human. When can get an idea of this at
>>>>>Jeremiah:
>>>>>
>>>>>(Jeremiah 7:31) They have built the high places of To´pheth, which is
>>>>>in the Valley of the Son of Hin´nom, in order to burn their sons and
>>>>>their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and
>>>>>that had never even come into my heart.’
>>>>>
>>>>>Thus God never even thought about sacrificing humans.
>>>>
>>>>What do you think,
>>>>"in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire"
>>>>means?
>>>
>>>It means that is what the pagans did. But God never thought of doing
>>>such things.
>>
>>Thus human sacrifice was acceptable.
>
>To the pagans.

At the time God was written about Human sacrifice was acceptable.

>>What do YOU mean by truth?
>
>Words from the Bible.

You should use words properly.

>>>>>Evil humans have caused many of the designs, such as Ted Bundy.
>>>>>They exercised their free will in a negative way.
>>>>
>>>>You have no problem with that?
>>>
>>>I NEVER said that. I have a problem with all unrighteousness.
>>
>>Then you do have a problem with God's creation.
>
>No, I have a problem with the Devil's rule.

Then you do have a problem with God's creation.

>>>>>>>I have no aspect of God that I object to. I may have a lack of
>>>>>>>understanding, but don't call it an objection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You don't object to God including panic attacks in the design
>>>>>>of our brain?
>>>>>
>>>>>God is not a good and righteous God on the one hand, (such as giving
>>>>>us many pleasures like eating etc) then at the same time acting evil
>>>>>by creating brains that carry medical anomalies.
>>>>
>>>>God is not good and righteous.
>>>
>>>See Rev 21:3,4 and still call Him "not good and righteous".
>>
>>It is not good to tease people like that.
>
>The Bible doesn't tease. It just tells the truth.

Truth meaning the words of the bible?

>>Where do the ideas of panic attacks, gay feelings, and Ted Bundyism,
>>come from?
>
>You are mixing apples and oranges. Panic attracts are a medical
>problem which has nothing to do with choice. The others can be
>controlled by choice.

Where do the ideas of panic attacks, gay feelings, and Ted Bundyism,
come from?

>>>You misspelled G-o-d. It is spelled D-e-v-i-l.
>>
>>If we refer to God as Devil it will cause confusion.
>
>God is God. The Devil is the Devil. You can't mix the two.

If I write Devil when I mean God people will think I am
talking about the Devil God created.

>>>Unlike Eve who freely disobeyed God, I have no control without meds
>>>for my panic attacks.
>>
>>You don't have free will?
>
>I can't control medical conditions anymore than you can.

You don't have free will?

>>>Do you cause your depressions?
>>
>>You are such a hypocrite. You claim to be a victim of the way God
>>designed our brain but say homosexuals freely choose their attraction.
>
>That's what the Bible says. And I believe it. There is no homosexual
>gene. The hypocrites are the ones that says there is.

Is there a panic attacks gene?

>>I know you are not describing the actions of a good God.
>
>I don't have to. The Bible already does that.

Where?

>>>>Certainly not the actions of a good God.
>>>
>>>Just the reverse. If a parent doesn't discipline his child, that child
>>>can grow up corrupted. When the baby doctor, Dr. Spock, said not to
>>>spank misbehaved children, a generation of juvenile delinquents was
>>>raised.
>>
>>Sounds like you do have a problem with the way God created.
>
>Actually, you have a problem with God. The One who saw to it that you
>have life. The one who causes rain to fall on our food sources. The
>One who gives us air to breath. The One who shows us how to have a
>strong family life. Etc.

The one that causes floods that wash away our food sources?

>God is love.

What does God is love mean? God is an unthinking emotion?

>(1 John 4:8) As long as you are loyal to him, you have
>nothing to worry about.

>>>>>Than being trapped with the Devil who gives you tears, pain, anguish,
>>>>>rapes, murders, abductions, etc.
>>>>
>>>>Where do you get your ideas about the Devil?
>>>
>>>I just take a look around the world. There are also Satanic cults that
>>>practice such things. The Bible says that Satan controls the world.
>>>And that is so evident.
>>
>>What makes you think the Devil has anything to do with the
>>way God created the world?
>
>The Devil tries to change things to an evil way.

What makes you think the Devil tries to change things to an evil way?

>>>He made the brain to mostly be a blank blackboard. We put into it
>>>whatever we desire, and that makes us, us.
>>
>>What gives us those desires?
>
>It's apparently how we are wired.

Wired by God?

>>God designed our brain.
>
>Even Satanic cult?

You said God designed our brain.

>>>Sincerely James
>>>Is badness effecting more people?
>>
>>Badness cannot effect people.
>>Only God or people can effect people.
>
>Then Ted Bundy was not a bad person then?

Bible says God effected Adam and Eve and Eve's offspring
effected more people. You say evolution did not effect
people.

>Sincerely James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Sun, 07 Aug 2022 11:44:24 +1000, Lucifer

<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 06 Aug 2022 07:41:02 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 05 Aug 2022 08:10:28 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 04 Aug 2022 14:35:24 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 12:27:53 +1000, Lucifer
>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 21:02:33 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 17:35:23 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 09:26:43 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>I can't imagine a God worthy of the name making such a mess of things.
>>>>>It would make sense if we were a product of an uncaring
>>>>>natural function.
>>>>
>>>>You wouldn't want to eliminate death? God can. Nature can't.
>>>
>>>I can't imagine a God worthy of the name making such a mess of things.
>>>It would make sense if we were a product of an uncaring
>>>natural function.
>>
>>A natural function is when you go to the bathroom.
>
>I'm pretty sure bathrooms are not naturally occurring.

Why not? With the so-called sophistication of macroevolution you
should find some complete with plumbing.

Actually, the bathroom function was about the human's functions

>
>>God has not made a
>>mess of anything. But He will straighten out human messes.
>
>Search "open defecation."
>
>>Sincerely James
>>Is badness effecting more people?
>
>An emotion cannot cause people to exist.

And your point?

Sincerely James
Is badness effecting more people?

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Sun, 07 Aug 2022 12:57:49 +1000, Lucifer

<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 06 Aug 2022 06:04:27 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 06 Aug 2022 10:53:32 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 05 Aug 2022 10:09:31 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 04 Aug 2022 23:17:53 +1000, Lucifer
>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>>We get angry when we can't control things.
>>>Why would God get angry?
>>
>>Because God knew the results of His disobedience.
>
>Why did God disobey?

Good day Lucy. I hope everyone is doing good.

God never disobeys because He always calls the shots. No one is
powerful enough to tell Him what to do.

>
>>And that didn't make Him happy.
>
>Why would God not be happy with Himself?
>We get angry when we can't control things.

When God tells someone to do something, and they don't, God is not
happy. God has feelings just like us, only amplified greatly.

>
>>>>>>>God's moral duty of care continues as long as there are living beings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Your lack of understanding of the Bible, leads you to think that way.
>>>>>
>>>>>My thinking has nothing to do with the bible.
>>>>
>>>>That is so true.
>>>
>>>When God decided to create beings with thoughts and feelings
>>>He took on an ongoing moral duty of care.
>>
>>He does care. That is why He had the Bible written. It's not God's
>>fault if people willingly choose to NOT follow His written word:
>
>How can it not be God's fault?

Because God gave them a freewill to choose.

>
>>(Jeremiah 10:23) I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not
>>belong to him. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct
>>his step.
>>
>>>>>Why can't you think for yourself?
>>>>
>>>>I have in the past, and it got me in a lot of trouble. Since I let
>>>>Bible GUIDE me, I have basically stayed out of trouble.
>>>
>>>People who think for themselves are a problem for the Watchtower
>>>Committee.
>>
>>Your so wrong.
>
>Is what?
>
>>I should know.
>
>How so?

Before I became a JW I was a science buff. I went to the library a lot
and did research on science esp astronomy. So I was used to
researching.

When I was introduced to JW's, I did a lot of research on their Bible
beliefs, including writing to their headquarters. I became convinced
they had the truth.

>
>>>>>>>At the time God was wri tten about Human sacrifice was acceptable.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>Human sacrifice was not acceptable. Nowhere in the Bible did God's
>>>>>>servants ever sacrifice a human. When can get an idea of this at
>>>>>>Jeremiah:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(Jeremiah 7:31) They have built the high places of To´pheth, which is
>>>>>>in the Valley of the Son of Hin´nom, in order to burn their sons and
>>>>>>their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and
>>>>>>that had never even come into my heart.’
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thus God never even thought about sacrificing humans.
>>>>>
>>>>>What do you think,
>>>>>"in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire"
>>>>>means?
>>>>
>>>>It means that is what the pagans did. But God never thought of doing
>>>>such things.
>>>
>>>Thus human sacrifice was acceptable.
>>
>>To the pagans.
>
>At the time God was written about Human sacrifice was acceptable.

But not to Jehovah God.

>
>>>What do YOU mean by truth?
>>
>>Words from the Bible.
>
>You should use words properly.

The Bible is truth is using words properly.

>
>>>>>>Evil humans have caused many of the designs, such as Ted Bundy.
>>>>>>They exercised their free will in a negative way.
>>>>>
>>>>>You have no problem with that?
>>>>
>>>>I NEVER said that. I have a problem with all unrighteousness.
>>>
>>>Then you do have a problem with God's creation.
>>
>>No, I have a problem with the Devil's rule.
>
>Then you do have a problem with God's creation.

God's creation gives me comfort. Like when I look at the stars and see
the wonders of the heavens.

>
>>>>>>>>I have no aspect of God that I object to. I may have a lack of
>>>>>>>>understanding, but don't call it an objection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You don't object to God including panic attacks in the design
>>>>>>>of our brain?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God is not a good and righteous God on the one hand, (such as giving
>>>>>>us many pleasures like eating etc) then at the same time acting evil
>>>>>>by creating brains that carry medical anomalies.
>>>>>
>>>>>God is not good and righteous.
>>>>
>>>>See Rev 21:3,4 and still call Him "not good and righteous".
>>>
>>>It is not good to tease people like that.
>>
>>The Bible doesn't tease. It just tells the truth.
>
>Truth meaning the words of the bible?

The words of the Bible come from a Bible translator. They may or may
not reflect accurately the original document. If you give me a chapter
and verse from any translation, I should be able to tell you if it's a
match or not.

>
>>>Where do the ideas of panic attacks, gay feelings, and Ted Bundyism,
>>>come from?
>>
>>You are mixing apples and oranges. Panic attracts are a medical
>>problem which has nothing to do with choice. The others can be
>>controlled by choice.
>
>Where do the ideas of panic attacks, gay feelings, and Ted Bundyism,
>come from?

The IDEAS come from observing the actual happening. (don't forget John
Wayne Gacyism)

>
>>>>You misspelled G-o-d. It is spelled D-e-v-i-l.
>>>
>>>If we refer to God as Devil it will cause confusion.
>>
>>God is God. The Devil is the Devil. You can't mix the two.
>
>If I write Devil when I mean God people will think I am
>talking about the Devil God created.

If you have that problem, just use the word "Satan".

>
>>>>Unlike Eve who freely disobeyed God, I have no control without meds
>>>>for my panic attacks.
>>>
>>>You don't have free will?
>>
>>I can't control medical conditions anymore than you can.
>
>You don't have free will?

I can't control medical conditions anymore than you can.

>
>
>>>>Do you cause your depressions?
>>>
>>>You are such a hypocrite. You claim to be a victim of the way God
>>>designed our brain but say homosexuals freely choose their attraction.
>>
>>That's what the Bible says. And I believe it. There is no homosexual
>>gene. The hypocrites are the ones that says there is.
>
>Is there a panic attacks gene?

Science never found one yet. Some think certain situations trigger
panic attacks. Not always so. I used to be sitting watching TV and
have them out of the blue.

>
>>>I know you are not describing the actions of a good God.
>>
>>I don't have to. The Bible already does that.
>
>Where?

Practically all through it. Esp the Psalms and Proverbs.

>
>>>>>Certainly not the actions of a good God.
>>>>
>>>>Just the reverse. If a parent doesn't discipline his child, that child
>>>>can grow up corrupted. When the baby doctor, Dr. Spock, said not to
>>>>spank misbehaved children, a generation of juvenile delinquents was
>>>>raised.
>>>
>>>Sounds like you do have a problem with the way God created.
>>
>>Actually, you have a problem with God. The One who saw to it that you
>>have life. The one who causes rain to fall on our food sources. The
>>One who gives us air to breath. The One who shows us how to have a
>>strong family life. Etc.
>
>The one that causes floods that wash away our food sources?

You make him sound like Jekyll and Hyde. Or Bundy, doing good and bad.
Believe me, He is not like that at all. Have you ever read the Bible
from Genesis to Revelation?

>
>>God is love.
>
>What does God is love mean? God is an unthinking emotion?

You will find out soon.

>
>>(1 John 4:8) As long as you are loyal to him, you have
>>nothing to worry about.
>
>>>>>>Than being trapped with the Devil who gives you tears, pain, anguish,
>>>>>>rapes, murders, abductions, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>Where do you get your ideas about the Devil?
>>>>
>>>>I just take a look around the world. There are also Satanic cults that
>>>>practice such things. The Bible says that Satan controls the world.
>>>>And that is so evident.
>>>
>>>What makes you think the Devil has anything to do with the
>>>way God created the world?
>>
>>The Devil tries to change things to an evil way.
>
>What makes you think the Devil tries to change things to an evil way?

That is his nature now. He is evil, and the Bible says he rules this
world. That is why there is so much evil in the world.

>
>>>>He made the brain to mostly be a blank blackboard. We put into it
>>>>whatever we desire, and that makes us, us.
>>>
>>>What gives us those desires?
>>
>>It's apparently how we are wired.
>
>Wired by God?

Mainly self wired with some imperfect genetics.

>
>>>God designed our brain.
>>
>>Even Satanic cult?
>
>You said God designed our brain.

Yes, back in Eden. After that corrupted copies came from A & E.

>
>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>Is badness effecting more people?
>>>
>>>Badness cannot effect people.
>>>Only God or people can effect people.
>>
>>Then Ted Bundy was not a bad person then?
>
>Bible says God effected Adam and Eve and Eve's offspring
>effected more people. You say evolution did not effect
>people.

Macroevolution is fiction. It only exists in people's minds.

Sincerely James
Is badness effecting more people?

See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org

>

>>Sincerely James

[Lucifer]

Why did God make humans defecating in the open a major means
of spreading disease?

>>>Sincerely James
>>>Is badness effecting more people?
>>
>>An emotion cannot cause people to exist.
>
>And your point?
>
>Sincerely James
>Is badness effecting more people?
>See what the Bible says

The bible says no.

[Lucifer]

On Mon, 08 Aug 2022 17:01:54 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Sun, 07 Aug 2022 12:57:49 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 06 Aug 2022 06:04:27 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 06 Aug 2022 10:53:32 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 05 Aug 2022 10:09:31 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 04 Aug 2022 23:17:53 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>We get angry when we can't control things.
>>>>Why would God get angry?
>>>
>>>Because God knew the results of His disobedience.
>>
>>Why did God disobey?
>
>Good day Lucy. I hope everyone is doing good.
>
>God never disobeys because He always calls the shots. No one is
>powerful enough to tell Him what to do.

Yet you wrote,

"Because God knew the results of His disobedience."

What did you mean by "His disobedience."?

>>>And that didn't make Him happy.
>>
>>Why would God not be happy with Himself?
>>We get angry when we can't control things.
>
>When God tells someone to do something, and they don't, God is not
>happy.

Why?

>God has feelings just like us, only amplified greatly.

We get angry when we can't control things.

>>>>>>>>God's moral duty of care continues as long as there are living beings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Your lack of understanding of the Bible, leads you to think that way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My thinking has nothing to do with the bible.
>>>>>
>>>>>That is so true.
>>>>
>>>>When God decided to create beings with thoughts and feelings
>>>>He took on an ongoing moral duty of care.
>>>
>>>He does care. That is why He had the Bible written. It's not God's
>>>fault if people willingly choose to NOT follow His written word:
>>
>>How can it not be God's fault?
>
>Because God gave them a freewill to choose.

How well is that working?

>>>(Jeremiah 10:23) I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not
>>>belong to him. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct
>>>his step.
>>>
>>>>>>Why can't you think for yourself?
>>>>>
>>>>>I have in the past, and it got me in a lot of trouble. Since I let
>>>>>Bible GUIDE me, I have basically stayed out of trouble.
>>>>
>>>>People who think for themselves are a problem for the Watchtower
>>>>Committee.
>>>
>>>Your so wrong.
>>
>>Is what?
>>
>>>I should know.
>>
>>How so?
>
>Before I became a JW I was a science buff. I went to the library a lot
>and did research on science esp astronomy. So I was used to
>researching.
>
>When I was introduced to JW's, I did a lot of research on their Bible
>beliefs, including writing to their headquarters. I became convinced
>they had the truth.

You were convinced the words of the bible were the
words of the bible?

>>>>>>>>At the time God was written about Human sacrifice was acceptable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Human sacrifice was not acceptable. Nowhere in the Bible did God's
>>>>>>>servants ever sacrifice a human. When can get an idea of this at
>>>>>>>Jeremiah:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>(Jeremiah 7:31) They have built the high places of To´pheth, which is
>>>>>>>in the Valley of the Son of Hin´nom, in order to burn their sons and
>>>>>>>their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and
>>>>>>>that had never even come into my heart.’
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thus God never even thought about sacrificing humans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What do you think,
>>>>>>"in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire"
>>>>>>means?
>>>>>
>>>>>It means that is what the pagans did. But God never thought of doing
>>>>>such things.
>>>>
>>>>Thus human sacrifice was acceptable.
>>>
>>>To the pagans.
>>
>>At the time God was written about Human sacrifice was acceptable.
>
>But not to Jehovah God.

Jehovah God copied the pagan idea.

>>>>What do YOU mean by truth?
>>>
>>>Words from the Bible.
>>
>>You should use words properly.
>
>The Bible is truth is using words properly.

What do you think would happen to you if you dared to leave
the organisation?

>>>>>>>Evil humans have caused many of the designs, such as Ted Bundy.
>>>>>>>They exercised their free will in a negative way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You have no problem with that?
>>>>>
>>>>>I NEVER said that. I have a problem with all unrighteousness.
>>>>
>>>>Then you do have a problem with God's creation.
>>>
>>>No, I have a problem with the Devil's rule.
>>
>>Then you do have a problem with God's creation.
>
>God's creation gives me comfort. Like when I look at the stars and see
>the wonders of the heavens.

I guess it does help knowing your hairs are numbered.

>>>>>>>>>I have no aspect of God that I object to. I may have a lack of
>>>>>>>>>understanding, but don't call it an objection.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You don't object to God including panic attacks in the design
>>>>>>>>of our brain?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God is not a good and righteous God on the one hand, (such as giving
>>>>>>>us many pleasures like eating etc) then at the same time acting evil
>>>>>>>by creating brains that carry medical anomalies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God is not good and righteous.
>>>>>
>>>>>See Rev 21:3,4 and still call Him "not good and righteous".
>>>>
>>>>It is not good to tease people like that.
>>>
>>>The Bible doesn't tease. It just tells the truth.
>>
>>Truth meaning the words of the bible?
>
>The words of the Bible come from a Bible translator. They may or may
>not reflect accurately the original document. If you give me a chapter
>and verse from any translation, I should be able to tell you if it's a
>match or not.

Can you tell me if the original documents were accurate?

>>>>Where do the ideas of panic attacks, gay feelings, and Ted Bundyism,
>>>>come from?
>>>
>>>You are mixing apples and oranges. Panic attracts are a medical
>>>problem which has nothing to do with choice. The others can be
>>>controlled by choice.
>>
>>Where do the ideas of panic attacks, gay feelings, and Ted Bundyism,
>>come from?
>
>The IDEAS come from observing the actual happening.

In other species?

>(don't forget John Wayne Gacyism)

Such people make God look very bad.

>>>>>You misspelled G-o-d. It is spelled D-e-v-i-l.
>>>>
>>>>If we refer to God as Devil it will cause confusion.
>>>
>>>God is God. The Devil is the Devil. You can't mix the two.
>>
>>If I write Devil when I mean God people will think I am
>>talking about the Devil God created.
>
>If you have that problem, just use the word "Satan".

If I write Satan when I mean God people will think I am
talking about the Satan God created.

Why do you want me to call God a Devil?

>>>>>Unlike Eve who freely disobeyed God, I have no control without meds
>>>>>for my panic attacks.
>>>>
>>>>You don't have free will?
>>>
>>>I can't control medical conditions anymore than you can.
>>
>>You don't have free will?
>
>I can't control medical conditions anymore than you can.

You don't have free will?

>>>>>Do you cause your depressions?
>>>>
>>>>You are such a hypocrite. You claim to be a victim of the way God
>>>>designed our brain but say homosexuals freely choose their attraction.
>>>
>>>That's what the Bible says. And I believe it. There is no homosexual
>>>gene. The hypocrites are the ones that says there is.
>>
>>Is there a panic attacks gene?
>
>Science never found one yet. Some think certain situations trigger
>panic attacks. Not always so. I used to be sitting watching TV and
>have them out of the blue.

God moves in mysterious ways.

>>>>I know you are not describing the actions of a good God.
>>>
>>>I don't have to. The Bible already does that.
>>
>>Where?
>
>Practically all through it. Esp the Psalms and Proverbs.

Could you give me an example?

>>>>>>Certainly not the actions of a good God.
>>>>>
>>>>>Just the reverse. If a parent doesn't discipline his child, that child
>>>>>can grow up corrupted. When the baby doctor, Dr. Spock, said not to
>>>>>spank misbehaved children, a generation of juvenile delinquents was
>>>>>raised.
>>>>
>>>>Sounds like you do have a problem with the way God created.
>>>
>>>Actually, you have a problem with God. The One who saw to it that you
>>>have life. The one who causes rain to fall on our food sources. The
>>>One who gives us air to breath. The One who shows us how to have a
>>>strong family life. Etc.
>>
>>The one that causes floods that wash away our food sources?
>
>You make him sound like Jekyll and Hyde. Or Bundy, doing good and bad.
>Believe me, He is not like that at all. Have you ever read the Bible
>from Genesis to Revelation?

The bible doesn't have anything good to say about God.

>>>God is love.
>>
>>What does God is love mean? God is an unthinking emotion?
>
>You will find out soon.

If God IS love He can't be anything else.

>>>(1 John 4:8) As long as you are loyal to him, you have
>>>nothing to worry about.
>>
>>>>>>>Than being trapped with the Devil who gives you tears, pain, anguish,
>>>>>>>rapes, murders, abductions, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Where do you get your ideas about the Devil?
>>>>>
>>>>>I just take a look around the world. There are also Satanic cults that
>>>>>practice such things. The Bible says that Satan controls the world.
>>>>>And that is so evident.
>>>>
>>>>What makes you think the Devil has anything to do with the
>>>>way God created the world?
>>>
>>>The Devil tries to change things to an evil way.
>>
>>What makes you think the Devil tries to change things to an evil way?
>
>That is his nature now. He is evil, and the Bible says he rules this
>world. That is why there is so much evil in the world.

What is your source for information about the Devil?

>>>>>He made the brain to mostly be a blank blackboard. We put into it
>>>>>whatever we desire, and that makes us, us.
>>>>
>>>>What gives us those desires?
>>>
>>>It's apparently how we are wired.
>>
>>Wired by God?
>
>Mainly self wired with some imperfect genetics.

God gives us those desires by the way He designed our brain.

>>>>God designed our brain.
>>>
>>>Even Satanic cult?
>>
>>You said God designed our brain.
>
>Yes, back in Eden. After that corrupted copies came from A & E.

God designed A & E.

>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>Is badness effecting more people?
>>>>
>>>>Badness cannot effect people.
>>>>Only God or people can effect people.
>>>
>>>Then Ted Bundy was not a bad person then?
>>
>>Bible says God effected Adam and Eve and Eve's offspring
>>effected more people. You say evolution did not effect
>>people.
>
>Macroevolution is fiction. It only exists in people's minds.

Why did God put macroevolution into people's brains?

>Sincerely James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 08:33:31 +1000, Lucifer

God said to bury it.

>
>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>Is badness effecting more people?
>>>
>>>An emotion cannot cause people to exist.
>>
>>And your point?
>>
>>Sincerely James
>>Is badness effecting more people?
>>See what the Bible says
>
>The bible says no.

The Bible says what?

Sincerely James
Is badness effecting more people?
See what the Bible says

zeb...@windstream.netAt www.jw.org or jw.org

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 10:35:38 +1000, Lucifer

<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Aug 2022 17:01:54 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 07 Aug 2022 12:57:49 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 06 Aug 2022 06:04:27 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 06 Aug 2022 10:53:32 +1000, Lucifer
>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 05 Aug 2022 10:09:31 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 04 Aug 2022 23:17:53 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>We get angry when we can't control things.
>>>>>Why would God get angry?
>>>>
>>>>Because God knew the results of His disobedience.
>>>
>>>Why did God disobey?
>>
>>Good day Lucy. I hope everyone is doing good.
>>
>>God never disobeys because He always calls the shots. No one is
>>powerful enough to tell Him what to do.
>
>Yet you wrote,
>"Because God knew the results of His disobedience."

I never wrote that. At least stick to the truth.

>
>What did you mean by "His disobedience."?

Since I didn't write that, I don't know what it means either.

>
>>>>And that didn't make Him happy.
>>>
>>>Why would God not be happy with Himself?
>>>We get angry when we can't control things.
>>
>>When God tells someone to do something, and they don't, God is not
>>happy.
>
>Why?

Because they are sinning against Him

>
>>God has feelings just like us, only amplified greatly.
>
>We get angry when we can't control things.

That's no self control. God has perfect self control.

>
>>>>>>>>>God's moral duty of care continues as long as there are living beings.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Your lack of understanding of the Bible, leads you to think that way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My thinking has nothing to do with the bible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That is so true.
>>>>>
>>>>>When God decided to create beings with thoughts and feelings
>>>>>He took on an ongoing moral duty of care.
>>>>
>>>>He does care. That is why He had the Bible written. It's not God's
>>>>fault if people willingly choose to NOT follow His written word:
>>>
>>>How can it not be God's fault?
>>
>>Because God gave them a freewill to choose.
>
>How well is that working?

Imperfect people with freewill are a disaster. But God will make many
people perfect shortly.

>
>>>>(Jeremiah 10:23) I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not
>>>>belong to him. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct
>>>>his step.
>>>>
>>>>>>>Why can't you think for yourself?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have in the past, and it got me in a lot of trouble. Since I let
>>>>>>Bible GUIDE me, I have basically stayed out of trouble.
>>>>>
>>>>>People who think for themselves are a problem for the Watchtower
>>>>>Committee.
>>>>
>>>>Your so wrong.
>>>
>>>Is what?
>>>
>>>>I should know.
>>>
>>>How so?
>>
>>Before I became a JW I was a science buff. I went to the library a lot
>>and did research on science esp astronomy. So I was used to
>>researching.
>>
>>When I was introduced to JW's, I did a lot of research on their Bible
>>beliefs, including writing to their headquarters. I became convinced
>>they had the truth.
>
>You were convinced the words of the bible were the
>words of the bible?

At the time, the JW's bought the rights to the King James Bible, and
printed it and we all used it. Most of the time, it stuck with the
original documents, and so was a good Bible to use.

Later when I compared translations, I found better ones. But they all
had their faults, except the JW Bible when it came out, the NWT. They
were far superior to rest. Still are.

>
>>>>>>>>>At the time God was written about Human sacrifice was acceptable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Human sacrifice was not acceptable. Nowhere in the Bible did God's
>>>>>>>>servants ever sacrifice a human. When can get an idea of this at
>>>>>>>>Jeremiah:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>(Jeremiah 7:31) They have built the high places of To´pheth, which is
>>>>>>>>in the Valley of the Son of Hin´nom, in order to burn their sons and
>>>>>>>>their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and
>>>>>>>>that had never even come into my heart.’
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thus God never even thought about sacrificing humans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What do you think,
>>>>>>>"in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire"
>>>>>>>means?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It means that is what the pagans did. But God never thought of doing
>>>>>>such things.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thus human sacrifice was acceptable.
>>>>
>>>>To the pagans.
>>>
>>>At the time God was written about Human sacrifice was acceptable.
>>
>>But not to Jehovah God.
>
>Jehovah God copied the pagan idea.

Scripture please.

>
>>>>>What do YOU mean by truth?
>>>>
>>>>Words from the Bible.
>>>
>>>You should use words properly.
>>
>>The Bible is truth is using words properly.
>
>What do you think would happen to you if you dared to leave
>the organisation?

There would be a great earthquake where the ground would open up and
gobble me down. The moon would leave its orbit and start crashing into
the earth. Tornadoes would develop throughout the earth....

or

I would be minus one religion.

>
>>>>>>>>Evil humans have caused many of the designs, such as Ted Bundy.
>>>>>>>>They exercised their free will in a negative way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You have no problem with that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I NEVER said that. I have a problem with all unrighteousness.
>>>>>
>>>>>Then you do have a problem with God's creation.
>>>>
>>>>No, I have a problem with the Devil's rule.
>>>
>>>Then you do have a problem with God's creation.
>>
>>God's creation gives me comfort. Like when I look at the stars and see
>>the wonders of the heavens.
>
>I guess it does help knowing your hairs are numbered.

Don't have to count too high today.

>
>>>>>>>>>>I have no aspect of God that I object to. I may have a lack of
>>>>>>>>>>understanding, but don't call it an objection.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You don't object to God including panic attacks in the design
>>>>>>>>>of our brain?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God is not a good and righteous God on the one hand, (such as giving
>>>>>>>>us many pleasures like eating etc) then at the same time acting evil
>>>>>>>>by creating brains that carry medical anomalies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God is not good and righteous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>See Rev 21:3,4 and still call Him "not good and righteous".
>>>>>
>>>>>It is not good to tease people like that.
>>>>
>>>>The Bible doesn't tease. It just tells the truth.
>>>
>>>Truth meaning the words of the bible?
>>
>>The words of the Bible come from a Bible translator. They may or may
>>not reflect accurately the original document. If you give me a chapter
>>and verse from any translation, I should be able to tell you if it's a
>>match or not.
>
>Can you tell me if the original documents were accurate?

I use the word "original" document to mean 'earliest copy', since we
have no actual original scrolls or documents.

The latest writings are around 2000 years old. it's kind of hard to
prove them. Do you accept Plato's writings? Homer's? Aristotle's?
If so, why not give the Bible a chance?

The Bible has the ring of authenticity within it. It gives prophecies
that came fulfilled many years later, like the fall of Babylon.

>
>>>>>Where do the ideas of panic attacks, gay feelings, and Ted Bundyism,
>>>>>come from?
>>>>
>>>>You are mixing apples and oranges. Panic attracts are a medical
>>>>problem which has nothing to do with choice. The others can be
>>>>controlled by choice.
>>>
>>>Where do the ideas of panic attacks, gay feelings, and Ted Bundyism,
>>>come from?
>>
>>The IDEAS come from observing the actual happening.
>
>In other species?

No, in the human species.

>
>>(don't forget John Wayne Gacyism)
>
>Such people make God look very bad.

Only to those who do not know God.

>
>>>>>>You misspelled G-o-d. It is spelled D-e-v-i-l.
>>>>>
>>>>>If we refer to God as Devil it will cause confusion.
>>>>
>>>>God is God. The Devil is the Devil. You can't mix the two.
>>>
>>>If I write Devil when I mean God people will think I am
>>>talking about the Devil God created.
>>
>>If you have that problem, just use the word "Satan".
>
>If I write Satan when I mean God people will think I am
>talking about the Satan God created.
>
>Why do you want me to call God a Devil?

Forget I ever brought it up.

>
>>>>>>Unlike Eve who freely disobeyed God, I have no control without meds
>>>>>>for my panic attacks.
>>>>>
>>>>>You don't have free will?
>>>>
>>>>I can't control medical conditions anymore than you can.
>>>
>>>You don't have free will?
>>
>>I can't control medical conditions anymore than you can.
>
>You don't have free will?

I can't control medical conditions anymore than you can.

>
>>>>>>Do you cause your depressions?
>>>>>
>>>>>You are such a hypocrite. You claim to be a victim of the way God
>>>>>designed our brain but say homosexuals freely choose their attraction.
>>>>
>>>>That's what the Bible says. And I believe it. There is no homosexual
>>>>gene. The hypocrites are the ones that says there is.
>>>
>>>Is there a panic attacks gene?
>>
>>Science never found one yet. Some think certain situations trigger
>>panic attacks. Not always so. I used to be sitting watching TV and
>>have them out of the blue.
>
>God moves in mysterious ways.

But not in illogical ways.

>
>>>>>I know you are not describing the actions of a good God.
>>>>
>>>>I don't have to. The Bible already does that.
>>>
>>>Where?
>>
>>Practically all through it. Esp the Psalms and Proverbs.
>
>Could you give me an example?

(Psalm 1:1-6) Happy is the man who does not walk according to the
advice of the wicked And does not stand on the path of sinners And
does not sit in the seat of scoffers.  2 But his delight is in the law
of Jehovah, And he reads His law in an undertone day and night.  3 He
will be like a tree planted by streams of water, A tree that produces
fruit in its season, The foliage of which does not wither. And
everything he does will succeed.  4 The wicked are not like that; They
are like the chaff that the wind blows away.  5 That is why the wicked
will not remain standing in the judgment; Nor will sinners remain
standing in the assembly of the righteous.  6 For Jehovah is aware of
the way of the righteous, But the way of the wicked will perish.

(Proverbs 2:5-11) Then you will understand the fear of Jehovah, And
you will find the knowledge of God.  6 For Jehovah himself gives
wisdom; From his mouth come knowledge and discernment.  7 He treasures
up practical wisdom for the upright; He is a shield for those walking
in integrity.  8 He watches over the paths of justice, And he will
guard the way of his loyal ones.  9 Then you will understand what is
righteous and just and fair, The entire course of what is good.
10 When wisdom enters your heart And knowledge becomes pleasant to
your soul, 11 Thinking ability will keep watch over you, And
discernment will safeguard you,

>
>>>>>>>Certainly not the actions of a good God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just the reverse. If a parent doesn't discipline his child, that child
>>>>>>can grow up corrupted. When the baby doctor, Dr. Spock, said not to
>>>>>>spank misbehaved children, a generation of juvenile delinquents was
>>>>>>raised.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sounds like you do have a problem with the way God created.
>>>>
>>>>Actually, you have a problem with God. The One who saw to it that you
>>>>have life. The one who causes rain to fall on our food sources. The
>>>>One who gives us air to breath. The One who shows us how to have a
>>>>strong family life. Etc.
>>>
>>>The one that causes floods that wash away our food sources?
>>
>>You make him sound like Jekyll and Hyde. Or Bundy, doing good and bad.
>>Believe me, He is not like that at all. Have you ever read the Bible
>>from Genesis to Revelation?
>
>The bible doesn't have anything good to say about God.

See the two examples above.

>
>>>>God is love.
>>>
>>>What does God is love mean? God is an unthinking emotion?
>>
>>You will find out soon.
>
>If God IS love He can't be anything else.

Is that a Lucy truism?

>
>>>>(1 John 4:8) As long as you are loyal to him, you have
>>>>nothing to worry about.
>>>
>>>>>>>>Than being trapped with the Devil who gives you tears, pain, anguish,
>>>>>>>>rapes, murders, abductions, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Where do you get your ideas about the Devil?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I just take a look around the world. There are also Satanic cults that
>>>>>>practice such things. The Bible says that Satan controls the world.
>>>>>>And that is so evident.
>>>>>
>>>>>What makes you think the Devil has anything to do with the
>>>>>way God created the world?
>>>>
>>>>The Devil tries to change things to an evil way.
>>>
>>>What makes you think the Devil tries to change things to an evil way?
>>
>>That is his nature now. He is evil, and the Bible says he rules this
>>world. That is why there is so much evil in the world.
>
>What is your source for information about the Devil?

Without the Bible, I wouldn't even know he exists. I would always
wonder why humans could become so evil.

>
>>>>>>He made the brain to mostly be a blank blackboard. We put into it
>>>>>>whatever we desire, and that makes us, us.
>>>>>
>>>>>What gives us those desires?
>>>>
>>>>It's apparently how we are wired.
>>>
>>>Wired by God?
>>
>>Mainly self wired with some imperfect genetics.
>
>God gives us those desires by the way He designed our brain.

Negatrons.

>
>>>>>God designed our brain.
>>>>
>>>>Even Satanic cult?
>>>
>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>
>>Yes, back in Eden. After that corrupted copies came from A & E.
>
>God designed A & E.

Their free will corrupted them.

>
>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>Is badness effecting more people?
>>>>>
>>>>>Badness cannot effect people.
>>>>>Only God or people can effect people.
>>>>
>>>>Then Ted Bundy was not a bad person then?
>>>
>>>Bible says God effected Adam and Eve and Eve's offspring
>>>effected more people. You say evolution did not effect
>>>people.
>>
>>Macroevolution is fiction. It only exists in people's minds.
>
>Why did God put macroevolution into people's brains?

He didn't. Ask Darwin.

>
>>Sincerely James

[Lucifer]

In India disease is spread by hundreds of millions of people
defecating in the open.

>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>Is badness effecting more people?
>>>>
>>>>An emotion cannot cause people to exist.
>>>
>>>And your point?
>>>
>>>Sincerely James
>>>Is badness effecting more people?
>>>See what the Bible says
>>
>>The bible says no.
>
>The Bible says what?

The bible says no.

>Sincerely James

Did you mean affect?

[Lucifer]

On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 12:20:09 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Tue, 09 Aug 2022 10:35:38 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 08 Aug 2022 17:01:54 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 07 Aug 2022 12:57:49 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 06 Aug 2022 06:04:27 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 06 Aug 2022 10:53:32 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 05 Aug 2022 10:09:31 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Thu, 04 Aug 2022 23:17:53 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>We get angry when we can't control things.
>>>>>>Why would God get angry?
>>>>>
>>>>>Because God knew the results of His disobedience.
>>>>
>>>>Why did God disobey?
>>>
>>>Good day Lucy. I hope everyone is doing good.
>>>
>>>God never disobeys because He always calls the shots. No one is
>>>powerful enough to tell Him what to do.
>>
>>Yet you wrote,
>>"Because God knew the results of His disobedience."
>
>I never wrote that. At least stick to the truth.
>
>>What did you mean by "His disobedience."?
>
>Since I didn't write that, I don't know what it means either.

I wrote,

>>>>>>Why would God get angry?

Somebody replied,

>>>>>Because God knew the results of His disobedience.
>>

>>>>>And that didn't make Him happy.

>>>>Why would God not be happy with Himself?
>>>>We get angry when we can't control things.
>>>
>>>When God tells someone to do something, and they don't, God is not
>>>happy.
>>
>>Why?
>
>Because they are sinning against Him

These days we reward people who stand up to tyrants.

>>>God has feelings just like us, only amplified greatly.
>>
>>We get angry when we can't control things.
>
>That's no self control. God has perfect self control.

Does God ever get angry?

>>>>How can it not be God's fault?
>>>
>>>Because God gave them a freewill to choose.
>>
>>How well is that working?
>
>Imperfect people with freewill are a disaster.

God should have known that.

>But God will make many people perfect shortly.

Didn't God try that with Adam and Eve?

>>You were convinced the words of the bible were the
>>words of the bible?
>
>At the time, the JW's bought the rights to the King James Bible, and
>printed it and we all used it. Most of the time, it stuck with the
>original documents, and so was a good Bible to use.
>
>Later when I compared translations, I found better ones. But they all
>had their faults, except the JW Bible when it came out, the NWT. They
>were far superior to rest. Still are.

The later versions were friendly to God?

>>>>>>>>>>At the time God was written about Human sacrifice was acceptable.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Human sacrifice was not acceptable. Nowhere in the Bible did God's
>>>>>>>>>servants ever sacrifice a human. When can get an idea of this at
>>>>>>>>>Jeremiah:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>(Jeremiah 7:31) They have built the high places of To´pheth, which is
>>>>>>>>>in the Valley of the Son of Hin´nom, in order to burn their sons and
>>>>>>>>>their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and
>>>>>>>>>that had never even come into my heart.’
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Thus God never even thought about sacrificing humans.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What do you think,
>>>>>>>>"in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire"
>>>>>>>>means?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It means that is what the pagans did. But God never thought of doing
>>>>>>>such things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thus human sacrifice was acceptable.
>>>>>
>>>>>To the pagans.
>>>>
>>>>At the time God was written about Human sacrifice was acceptable.
>>>
>>>But not to Jehovah God.
>>
>>Jehovah God copied the pagan idea.
>
>Scripture please.

John 19:18

>>>>>>Where do the ideas of panic attacks, gay feelings, and Ted Bundyism,
>>>>>>come from?
>>>>>
>>>>>You are mixing apples and oranges. Panic attracts are a medical
>>>>>problem which has nothing to do with choice. The others can be
>>>>>controlled by choice.
>>>>
>>>>Where do the ideas of panic attacks, gay feelings, and Ted Bundyism,
>>>>come from?
>>>
>>>The IDEAS come from observing the actual happening.
>>
>>In other species?
>
>No, in the human species.

Where did the human species get the idea for homosexuality?
Where did other species get the idea for homosexuality?

>>>(don't forget John Wayne Gacyism)
>>
>>Such people make God look very bad.
>
>Only to those who do not know God.

It seems God's best is not good enough.

>>Why do you want me to call God a Devil?
>
>Forget I ever brought it up.

OK.

>I can't control medical conditions anymore than you can.

You don't have free will?

How was Dr Spock an example of God doing good?
My point is proven.

>>>>>God is love.
>>>>
>>>>What does God is love mean? God is an unthinking emotion?
>>>
>>>You will find out soon.
>>
>>If God IS love He can't be anything else.
>
>Is that a Lucy truism?

It's a true truth.
What do you think God IS love means?

>>>>>(1 John 4:8) As long as you are loyal to him, you have
>>>>>nothing to worry about.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Than being trapped with the Devil who gives you tears, pain, anguish,
>>>>>>>>>rapes, murders, abductions, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Where do you get your ideas about the Devil?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I just take a look around the world. There are also Satanic cults that
>>>>>>>practice such things. The Bible says that Satan controls the world.
>>>>>>>And that is so evident.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What makes you think the Devil has anything to do with the
>>>>>>way God created the world?
>>>>>
>>>>>The Devil tries to change things to an evil way.
>>>>
>>>>What makes you think the Devil tries to change things to an evil way?
>>>
>>>That is his nature now. He is evil, and the Bible says he rules this
>>>world. That is why there is so much evil in the world.
>>
>>What is your source for information about the Devil?
>
>Without the Bible, I wouldn't even know he exists. I would always
>wonder why humans could become so evil.

Without the bible you would not know unicorns exist.

What is your source for information about the Devil?

>>>>>>>He made the brain to mostly be a blank blackboard. We put into it
>>>>>>>whatever we desire, and that makes us, us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What gives us those desires?
>>>>>
>>>>>It's apparently how we are wired.
>>>>
>>>>Wired by God?
>>>
>>>Mainly self wired with some imperfect genetics.
>>
>>God gives us those desires by the way He designed our brain.
>
>Negatrons.

Who do you say designed our brain?

>>>>>>God designed our brain.
>>>>>
>>>>>Even Satanic cult?
>>>>
>>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>>
>>>Yes, back in Eden. After that corrupted copies came from A & E.
>>
>>God designed A & E.
>
>Their free will corrupted them.

You did say God messed that up.

>Sincerely James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Wed, 10 Aug 2022 10:21:34 +1000, Lucifer

I am sure they did the same.

>
>>>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>>>Is badness effecting more people?
>>>>>
>>>>>An emotion cannot cause people to exist.
>>>>
>>>>And your point?
>>>>
>>>>Sincerely James
>>>>Is badness effecting more people?
>>>>See what the Bible says
>>>
>>>The bible says no.
>>
>>The Bible says what?
>
>The bible says no.
>
>>Sincerely James
>
>Did you mean affect?

Not really

Sincerely James
Can you be God's friend?

See what the Bible says

At www.jw.org or jw.org


Sincerely James

Can you be God's friend?

See what the Bible says

At www.jw.org or jw.org

[Lucifer]

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_defecation

Open defecation can pollute the environment and cause health
problems and diseases. High levels of open defecation are linked
to high child mortality, poor nutrition, poverty, and large
disparities between rich and poor.

As of 2019 an estimated 673 million people practice open
defecation.

>Sincerely James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 10:30:31 +1000, Lucifer

The Bible knew the danger, that is why God wrote this law about 3500
years ago:

(Deuteronomy 23:13) A peg should be part of your equipment. When you
squat outside, you should dig a hole with it and then cover your
excrement.
Sincerely James
Don't be tricked by false words

[Lucifer]

We won't be tricked by your words.

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:58:38 +1000, Lucifer

He didn't. The proof is right above you at Deut 23:13. ONE HAD TO BURY
IT.

>
>>Sincerely James
>>Don't be tricked by false words
>
>We won't be tricked by your words.

Since I don't trick people, you have nothing to worry about.

Sincerely James
Wars and true Christianity

[Lucifer]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_defecation
says;

Open defecation can pollute the environment and cause health
problems and diseases. High levels of open defecation are linked
to high child mortality, poor nutrition, poverty, and large
disparities between rich and poor.

As of 2019 an estimated 673 million people practice open
defecation.

>Sincerely James

[Lucifer]

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 17:33:31 +1000, Lucifer

Yes, non-Christians can do anything.

Sincerely James
Can the earth really be saved?

See what the Bible says
At www.jw.org or jw.org

>

>>Sincerely James

[Nightbulb.net]

On 7/13/22 04:55, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
> We are not like other mammals. We were created in God's image. Thus we
> have moral qualities. Animals mate with whatever is near-by. Humans
> are selective,

I presume you haven't spent much time in Africa or South America, or New
Youk, or a Hollywood party, or a ecstasy-riddle rave club, or the altar
boys' dressing room, or a swingers' convention.

If humans are so selective then why do some of them mate with infants,
pre-teens, young boys, and even force others to mate with them (rape) by
bludgeoning or strangling them into submission? Where's the image of God
in that? How is that 'selective?'

Most birds and mammals have elaborate mating rituals and fights in which
the winner or victor gets exclusive mating rights with the female. That
sounds pretty darn selective to me. But among humans beer = smash more
often than any ritualistic or logical act of selection.

It is rather seedy, that a pious man such as yourself should bring up
the subject of sexual congress, and compare the act of sex to the image
of God.

By their fruits ye shall know them. And their words are their fruit.

(Matt 12:36-7) "But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall
speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by
thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be
condemned."

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