Re: Gay Rights Activists Found Guilty of Pedophilia Sentenced to Life Imprisonment
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"Evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse"
"J" <Jvis...@live.com> wrote in message
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>
> I don't know which disgusts me more, these gay rights activists or the
> left-wing fanatics who make excuses for them. They'll probably give these
> activists their own holiday in San Francisco soon.
>
> http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/nov/09110308.html
>
> Scottish Gay Rights Activists Found Guilty of Pedophilia Sentenced to Life
> Imprisonment
> By Thaddeus M. Baklinski
>
> EDINBURGH, Scotland, November 3, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - An influential
> gay rights activist and youth group leader, and another homosexualist
> activist, have been jailed for life for their involvement in the largest
> pedophile ring ever uncovered in Scotland.
>
> James Rennie, one time co-coordinator of the homosexual rights group LGBT
> (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) Youth Scotland and a former teacher,
> and Neil Strachan, the former secretary of a Celtic boys club and
> campaigner on homosexual issues, were convicted in May on charges
> including sex attacks on children, conspiring to abuse children, and
> possessing and distributing child pornography.
>
> Rennie and Strachan were the ringleaders of the pedophile network which
> was uncovered in 2007 after an intensive police investigation, codenamed
> Operation Algebra.
>
> The investigation led to the arrest of six other men besides Rennie and
> Strachan, and to the seizure of over 125,000 images and videos of child
> abuse.
>
> Rennie, 38, was convicted of 14 offenses, including molesting a young boy
> who was left occasionally under his care by friends over a period of more
> than four years, beginning when the child was three months old. Rennie was
> sentenced to life with a minimum of 13 years behind bars.
>
> Strachan, 41, was convicted for nine offenses, including attempting to
> sodomize an 18-month-old boy and sexually assaulting a six-year-old boy.
> He was sentenced to life with a minimum of 16 years in prison.
>
> The judge, Lord Bannatyne, said the pair were guilty of gross and
> appalling breaches of trust since both men had abused children entrusted
> to them for babysitting by close friends. They had both photographed the
> abuse.
>
> "These offences involve real children and many of the photographs involve
> children being sexually abused, often in the most appalling ways. There
> are real victims of these offences, namely the children who were
> photographed and abused," Lord Bannatyne said.
>
> Bannatyne imposed a "lifelong restriction" order, used for the most
> serious and violent sexual offenders, on both men, indicating they were
> likely to "seriously endanger the physical wellbeing of a member of the
> public." This order will place them under risk assessment and management
> plans until they die.
> http://www.lifesitenews.com
Jude Alexander
All you've proven is that there are some sick gay people. However, the
LARGEST group of pedophile target little girls, jerk. Sorry if that chaps
your ignorant behind.
- .. -- Tim .-.
Yes, I'm afraid it is typical of Jeff to concentrate on the tiny minority of
people who are both gay and paedophile.
(1) Most gay people are not paedophiles.
(2) Most paedophiles are heterosexual, because most people are
heterosexual.
(3) Most cases of abuse of *boys* are carried out by men who are
heterosexual, since the motivation is dominance and control rather than
sexual attraction. Often, dominating another *male* therefore holds more
attraction for them.
Tim.
Jude Alexander
"- .. -- Tim .-." <timr...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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Thank you. Finally, yet another person who has updated understanding. The
bulk of professionals actually say that pedophiles have no orientation as we
understand such a homosexual & heterosexuals or even bi-sexual. However,
you have to talk to children (such as Jeff) in terms they can understand...
(homosexual=main victims are usually boys; heterosexual=main victims are
usually girls.) Usually, it's the availability that counts, according to
most professionals who study pedophilia.
Randy ®
(9) Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the
kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor
idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
(10) nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers,
nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
1 John 3:7-8 NASB
(7) Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who
practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
(8) the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has
sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this
purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
--
Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
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:1 Corinthians 6:9-10 NASB
: (9) Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the
: kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor
: idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
: (10) nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers,
: nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
Blah blah blah... you MUST love comfortable ignorance! :) Good for you,
Randy, you're now the official "pasta" of the group since it seems Raymond
has left at least for awhile. :)
I
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
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> "Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> :1 Corinthians 6:9-10 NASB
> : (9) Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the
> : kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor
> : idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
> : (10) nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers,
> : nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
> :
>
> Blah blah blah... you MUST love comfortable ignorance! :)
So must any of the above who cannot see their ultimate destiny is not
salvation, but punishment and damnation for their lack of discernment.
__
Veff...
dolf
then attempting to evade the issue.
That your theology is a subjective truth and yet no truth.
I'll repeat the post which is on topic so you can't now claim to be
confused.
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Randy � <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 11/07/09, at 2:19:29PM,
> In My Fathers House <hso...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 7, 11:16 am, Randy �<pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > On Sat, 11/07/09, at 10:18:09AM,
>>> > In My Fathers House<hsot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>>>> > >> So which "God" and "Jesus" are you trusting in, and upon what
>>>>>> > >> > objective truth are you basing your faith in that
"God" and "Jesus"?
>>>> > > The real one.
>>> >
>>> > How do you know?
>
>> I don't.
>
>
> Then how can you claim to know God would be evil if the Bible were
His word, unless you are claiming to know the way God really is?
>
The Jews have Exodus 14:19-21 as their starting point as technology.
jwshe...@satx.rr.com <jwshe...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
> On Nov 7, 8:28 am, Claire <claireonuse...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> On 6 Nov, 23:45, "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com" <jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 6, 5:32 pm, "I" <me@home000000000000506> wrote:
>>>> <jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> God Wrote a Book (Paperback)
>>>> Which one?
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> The Bible ...[is] ... a collection of human responses to God (very
human,
>>>> some of them all too human), which we are at liberty to use in the
process
>>>> of formulating our own individual, unique response to God. We
don't do that
>>>> by imitating these responses slavishly. I mean God, if he exists,
doesn't
>>>> want innumerable clones of the apostle Paul. He wants us to
respond to him,
>>>> each of us in our own unique way. And we can use the Bible to do
that, but
>>>> we don't do it by obeying it slavishly and blindly. - Peter Cameron
>>>> "Heretic" (Doubleday; Sydney: 1994) p. 195
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> The various versions agree about 95% of the time.
>>> Most variations don't affect anything. If you are serious
>>> we can discuss texual criticism, and the two schools
>>> of thought. One Burgon of Oxford called the German Scholarship,
>>> and the one he called the Traditional text.
>>>> Quoting the Bible is NOT quoting God.
>>> So, only you can quote God?
>> Without the Bible we can just make our own Gods. There is always a
>> danger of slipping into that anyway but it is far more difficult if we
>> all have the word of God as our starting point.
>
> Exactly right!
>
> Jim
>
> Isa 55:11 - So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it
> shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I
> please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
How do you know? What "real" God?
"IT IS A SIGN BETWEEN ME AND YOU THROUGHOUT YOUR GENERATIONS, THAT YOU
MAY KNOW THAT I AM THE LORD WHO SANCTIFIES YOU." [EXODUS 31:13]
"Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the
Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. IT IS A
SIGN BETWEEN ME (ie. GOD) AND THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL FOREVER; FOR IN SIX
DAYS THE LORD MADE THE HEAVENS AND EARTH, AND ON THE SEVENTH DAY HE
RESTED AND WAS REFRESHED." [EXODUS 31:16-17]
Randy � <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 11/07/09, at 10:18:09AM,
> In My Fathers House <hso...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> So which "God" and "Jesus" are you trusting in, and upon what
>>> > objective truth are you basing your faith in that "God" and "Jesus"?
>> The real one.
>
> How do you know? What "real" God?
>
I believe what I said of the former prosecutor, persecutor and murderer
of Judaeo-Christians in 60-62 CE is true--he claims his repentance is
true and therefore it is not possible to turn his homosexual texts into
new instruments of abuse.
Randy � <pulpi...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Sat, 11/07/09, at 8:25:31AM,
> In My Fathers House <hso...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snip for clarity>
>
> Let's make this simple. You have said you are not even sure what, if
any of the Bible is true, correct? Yes or no? I believe you have.
>
> Now, how is anyone going to claim to the effect he's not sure what,
if any of the Bible is true, then claim he's trusting in the God and
Christ he came to know from that Bible? See what I mean?
>
> You may be trusting in something or someone _you_ refer to as "God"
and "Jesus", but how are you going to argue it's the same God and Jesus
you learned about from a source you argue would make God evil if it were
His word, and that you are not even sure which parts, if any, are true?
>
A variation of the 22/7 {= 3.1428571...} equation as rational PI
computation and the 364 day cycle from the DATE(1996,3,20) + (5 * 364) +
182 days = Wednesday DATE(2001,9,12) gives the Equinox of Saturday
DATE(2001,9,23) as commencing the Sabbath year and the reprise
associated to the following schema as a transcendent negation of the
Gregorian cycle of 400 years as the basis for replacement theology,
which is as 146097 days evenly divisible by seven:
#0 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 4000 BCE
#400 MOD 22 = 17 [#PE / #80]
#800 MOD 22 = 12 [#LAMED / #30]
#1200 MOD 22 = 7 [#ZAYIN / #7]
#1600 MOD 22 = 2 [#BETH / #2]
#2000 MOD 22 = 19 [#QOPH / #100]
#2400 MOD 22 = 14 [#NUN / #50]
#2800 MOD 22 = 9 [#TETH / #9]
#3200 MOD 22 = 4 [#DALETH / #4]
#3600 MOD 22 = 21 [#SHIN / #300]
#4000 MOD 22 = 16 [#'AYIN / #70] = #0 CE as HETEROS autonomic
transformative prototype and symbolic associator to series #15, #34,
#65, #111, #175, #260, #369 ... #2000 Y2K
Paul, an Apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ
and God the Father who raised him from the dead) [Galatians 1:1]--a
former prosecutor, persecutor and murderer of Judaeo-Christians in 60-62
CE says: "...the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among
who also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh,
fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature
children of wrath, just as the others.
But God, who is rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he
loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together
with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised up together, and
made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, THAT IN THE
AGES TO COME he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness
towards us in Christ Jesus." [Ephesians 2:2-6]
#4400 MOD 22 = 11 [#KAF / #20] = #400 CE
#4800 MOD 22 = 6 [#VAV / #6] = #800 CE
#5200 MOD 22 = 1 [#ALEPH / #1] = #1200 CE
#5600 MOD 22 = 18 [#TSADE / #90] = #1600 CE
#6000 MOD 22 = 13 [#MEM / #40] = #2000 Y2K / Equinox of DATE(1996,3,20)
/ @ (21 March = 1 Nisan) + (5 * 364) + 182 days = Wednesday
DATE(2001,9,12) with Equinox of Saturday DATE(2001,9,23) commencing the
Sabbath year of 'oth cycle has #369 with Septet #41 centric on 13-17
September 2001 / @ 18 September = 1 Tishri 5762.
#1 = [the major premise {YANG/FATHER/HEAVEN/MALE/FORM - Formula of
Universal Law}, which contains the law of that will:
7 x 24 x 13 = 2184 days of the 'oth cycle = 6D or 6 x 364 associated to
the 'constant sequence of sun and moon' as 354 x 3 + 30 day
intercalation = 1092 days x 2 = 2184 days] +
#2 = [the minor premise {YIN/MOTHER/EARTH/FEMALE/MATTER - Formula of
Humanity - HEAD OF STATE}, which contains the command to behave in
accordance with the law, that is, the principle of subsumption under the
law:
x 49 = 6J or 294 x 364 days or 365.2425 x 293 years - Vernal Equinox
Wednesday 20 March 1996 / 21 March = 1 Nisan 5756; and] +
#3 = [the conclusion {ZHUN/SON/SEA/ENUMERATE/OFFSPRING - Formula of
Autonomy}, which contains the verdict (sentence), that is laid down as
right in the case at hand: ... 6,000 topical years as Telos ('achariyth
as 122J3W1D) = Arch (re'shiyth as 3W1D) + c� [9(9�+1)/2]:
has #369 with Septet #41 {ie. #81 - #27 - #9 - #3 - #1} centric on {ie.
20 March 1996 + (5*364) + 182 = 12 Sept 2001 as 1st day of 7th solar
month = #0 - Zero point} 13-17 September 2001 / 18 September = 1 Tishri
5762. ref: "On [Sunday 16 September 2001 as] the 1st day of the [21st
priestly] course of Jachin {he that strengthens and makes steadfast} on
the 29th day of lunar month, on the 5th day of the 7th solar month."
[4Q321]] +
#4 = 'OTH Chronological Elements = #10 as {Totality of Nature = Formula
of Progression of individual phenomena: #1 = {0: 1} + #2 = {0: -1, 1: 1}
+ #3 = {0: 0, 1: 1} + #4 = {0: 1, 1: 1} = #10 = {0: 1, 1: 0, 2: 1}}
vCube Balanced Ternary System distribution: #1 = {0: 1}; #41 = {0: -1,
1: -1, 2: -1, 3: -1, 4: 1}; #81 = (0: 0, 1: 0, 2:0, 3:0, 4:1}
- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/images/toth9.gif
Telos ('achariyth as 122J3W1D or 6,000 topical years) = Arch (re'shiyth
as 3W1D) + c� [9(9�+1)/2]
"For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes are
clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his
eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because,
although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God, nor were they
thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts
were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the
glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man
(image of male and female)--and birds and four-footed beasts and
creeping things." [Deuteronomy 4:15-19; Romans 1:20]
#6400 MOD 22 = 8 [#CHET / #8]
#6800 MOD 22 = 3 [#GIMEL / #3]
#7200 MOD 22 = 20 [#RESH / #200]
#7600 MOD 22 = 15 [#SAMEK / #60]
#8000 MOD 22 = 10 [#YOD / #10]
#8400 MOD 22 = 5 [#HE / #5]
#8800 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 8800 CE
The "Angel of the presence, who went before the camp of Israel" which is
here described in the Book of Jubilees by association to an
understanding of the 10 Commandments and chronology is further related
to a circular reality as technology and the most sacred Names of God
derived from 3 Biblical texts of [Exodus 14:19-21] which each contain 72
letters: "And the angel of the presence, who went before the camp of
Israel [Exodus 14:19], took the TABLETS OF THE DIVISION OF YEARS FROM
THE TIME OF CREATION OF THE LAW AND TESTIMONY ACCORDING TO THEIR WEEKS
(OF YEARS), ACCORDING TO THE JUBILEES, year by year throughout the full
number of Jubilees, from the DAY OF CREATION UNTIL THE DAY OF THE NEW
CREATION WHEN THE HEAVEN AND EARTH AND ALL OF THEIR CREATURES SHALL BE
RENEWED ACCORDING TO THE POWERS OF HEAVEN AND ACCORDING TO THE WHOLE
NATURE OF EARTH, until the sanctuary of the LORD is created in Jerusalem
upon Mount Zion.
And all of the lights will be renewed for healing and peace and blessing
for all of the elect of Israel and in order that it might be thus from
that day and unto all the days of the earth." [Book of Jubilees 1:29]
These 3 Biblical texts of [Exodus 14:19-21] describe the miraculous
parting of the Red Sea before the people of Israel as they fled the
bondage of Pharaoh's Egypt.
First, the 72 Names are a technology for asserting the power of the
human consciousness over physicality. That is, the power of mind over
matter, which Kabbalah has always understood and which science is just
now beginning to grasp. However, the Names themselves depend on your
individual consciousness, and on your commitment to what the kabbalists
call proactive behaviour.
What is proactive behaviour? First and foremost, it is a stepping back
from reactive impulses, for there is no way we can have consciousness of
God--to say nothing of God's consciousness--unless we step back. Without
this proactive behaviour, even this most powerful of all technologies
cannot possibly work for us. Whenever it seems that misfortune has
suddenly been thrust upon you, step back. This does not mean acceptance
of the circumstances--if someone slaps you in the face, you might indeed
hit them back--but it does mean a level of consciousness above mere
reactivity. The technology of 72 Names can and will work for you, but
not without proactive behaviour.
My second point is related to the problems caused by reactive impulses,
specifically difficulties related to ego. In the biblical text that is
the foundation of the 72 Names, ego is personified by the Pharaoh of
Egypt. As the ego-driven impulses in our own lives draw away from growth
and transformation, Pharaoh gives the Israelites their freedom, but then
changes his mind and sends his army after them and ultimately into the
waters of the Red Sea. Ego will always play this game, particularly if
we make an effort to be proactive. Once again, step back from this
impulse. Be aware that your normal state of being in the physical world
is reactive consciousness. We are always being called upon to play ego's
game. With the ego it is always a lose-lose situation. It we are
concerned with winning, that's ego. If we are concerned with losing,
that's ego too. Using the 72 Names helps us to move beyond the ego's game.
When you commit yourself to proactive behaviour and to the renunciation
of ego games, the technology of the 72 Names is truly within your grasp.
Very simply put, this is the power of mind over matter. This is the
ability to eliminate every kind of chaos, whether in the form of
intangible fears and negative emotions, or the all-too-tangible
challenges of cancer and other serious illnesses. Consciousness is the
power that underlies every action and event in the material world.
Whether it is the simple act of raising your arm or the spontaneous
healing of life-threatening disease the process begins in consciousness.
The 72 Names of God are the bridge between this power of consciousness
and its manifestation in the physical realm." [(c) 2003 Kabbalist Rav
Yehuda Berg, 'The 72 Names of God -- Technology for the Soul (tm)', p xiii]
The point within the circle occurs when radius = 1 and in the Jubilee
year 49J7W, where the circumference = 22/7 commences as #0 (ternary
number) with the new Moon on Wednesday 20 March Equinox and on every 364
x 294 or 365.2425 x 293 days thereafter. The last of 1996 CE as grafting
into the 6D cycle and the determination of an Infinity Loop made in
relation to a rational cosmological understanding intrinsic to God
having given Moses two tablets of stone written with the finger of God.
The point within the circle also plays a role in German Philosopher
Heidegger's (1889�1976) cogito as the starting point of philosophy and
the pervasiveness of the hermeneutic circle and Aboriginal protests
against the mistreatment of Jews in pre-war Nazi Germany made to the
German consol general in Melbourne on 15 December 1938.
That aboriginal art conception of vast distance, their land and
cosmology demonstrates, if one considers the designation of the year
into seven portions:
ONE: 1, 2, 3
TWO: 0, 3, 6
THREE: 0, 9, 18
FOUR: 0, 27, 54 = Chinese Tetragrammation (Yang, Yin, Zhun) of Number
(Imperial Governance of male - dragon, female (consort) - phoenix: 206
BCE to 220 CE published 2 BCE); cf: [Deuteronomy 4:1-20]
FIVE: 0, 81, 369 = 9(9�+1)/2 - Organisation of the Myriad of things
SIX: 0, 243, 729 = Appraisals within vCube (9 x 9 x 9)
SEVEN: 0, 729, 2187 = 17 March (Saint Patrick's Day and ipso facto 25
March) + 2 x 'OTH CYCLE of 1092 (6 x 364 = 6D) days as Genesis and
substantiation of Christian identity.
A preservation of a rational natural and common law mind by nomadic
peoples--And that the usage of the latin term Terra Nullus cannot then
be used and understood as claimed in 1770 by Captain James Cook as
meaning that Terra Australis was "land belonging to no one" or
unoccupied land which was subsequent by Letters Patent of 1900 (since
revoked by new Letters Patent of 21 August 1984) as Terra Formus into
the Commonwealth of Australia."
>
>
>
Jude Alexander
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: "Jude Alexander" <Onec...@swampland.net> wrote in message
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: > "Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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: > :1 Corinthians 6:9-10 NASB
: > : (9) Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the
: > : kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor
: > : idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
: > : (10) nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers,
: > : nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
: > :
: >
: > Blah blah blah... you MUST love comfortable ignorance! :)
:
: So must any of the above who cannot see their ultimate destiny is not
: salvation, but punishment and damnation for their lack of discernment.
: __
: Veff...
Hey, Veff, on a scale of 1-10, how good does condemnation make you feel? :)
:
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
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> "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
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> : "Jude Alexander" <Onec...@swampland.net> wrote in message
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> : > :1 Corinthians 6:9-10 NASB
> : > : (9) Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the
> : > : kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor
> : > : idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
> : > : (10) nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers,
> : > : nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
> : > :
> : >
> : > Blah blah blah... you MUST love comfortable ignorance! :)
> :
> : So must any of the above who cannot see their ultimate destiny is not
> : salvation, but punishment and damnation for their lack of discernment.
> : __
> : Veff...
>
> Hey, Veff, on a scale of 1-10, how good does condemnation make you feel?
> :)
It's not done to 'feel good' Jude, but to warn the ungodly and to try and
make them see sense and change their ways before their time for judgment
arrives.
What does make me 'feel good' is when they do hearken and repent....{;o;}
__
V EFF...
Here's some wonderful advise to all....."15 Meditate upon these things; give
thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all. 16 Take heed
unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this
thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee." 1 Tim 4:15-16 (KJV)
Jude Alexander
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Oh well, I just have this image of your just liking to tell people off with
the "ultimate tell off." I apologize if it isn't true but if it is, too bad
for you.
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
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> : > "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
> : > <broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com>
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> : > : "Jude Alexander" <Onec...@swampland.net> wrote in message
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> : > : >
It isn't true....do you think I would put up with the last 11 years of all
the verbal abuse and hate message campaigns from Whackos, 'Christian'
reprobates, Heretics, Lesbians, Sodomites, Liberal unchristian Homophiles,
remarried Adulterers, live in sin Fornicators etc, if I was merely seeking
to 'feel good'.....you must have a strange way of thinking.
I have explained my take on why I do it...umpteen times.
"1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall
judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke,
exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after
their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned
unto fables.
5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an
evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry."
2 Tim 4:1-5 (KJV)
__
Veff...
So Jude......"15 Meditate upon these things; give: thyself wholly to them;
Randy ®
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
<broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> Oh well, I just have this image of your just liking to tell people off
>> with
>> the "ultimate tell off." I apologize if it isn't true
>
> It isn't true....do you think I would put up with the last 11 years of
> all the verbal abuse and hate message campaigns from Whackos,
> 'Christian' reprobates, Heretics, Lesbians, Sodomites, Liberal
> unchristian Homophiles, remarried Adulterers, live in sin Fornicators
> etc, if I was merely seeking to 'feel good'.....you must have a strange
> way of thinking.
This is correct.
Jude Alexander
:
: "Jude Alexander" <Onec...@swampland.net> wrote in message
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: >
: > "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
: > <broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com>
: > wrote in message news:7loo1rF...@mid.individual.net...
: > :
: > : "Jude Alexander" <Onec...@swampland.net> wrote in message
: > : news:hd6kv7$130$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
: > : >
: > : > "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
: > : > <broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com>
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: > : > :
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: > : > : >
Most people can take a little criticism but when you approach them with
condemnation only, you're going to get attacked by the majority of people.
Fine, Jeff, but homosexuality is NOT a choice so when you claim that to
people (who are homosexual who know better) they are going to respond in
anger. My experience is with many homosexuals, including my sister and an
aunt. At least when I thought it was sin, I wasn't as brutal as you come
off. When I was a religious nutcase, no homosexual screamed and yelled at
me or cruel to me even though they knew my beliefs and I didn't back away
from them. Gay people (for the most part) are bruised, Jeff, pretty badly.
They've been pounded on like no other group in the world from "righteous"
religious people. Get that through your head and maybe you'll tread a
little lighter with your own personal beliefs.
:
: I have explained my take on why I do it...umpteen times.
:
Jude Alexander
"I" <me@home000000000000524> wrote in message
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: "Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
:
: <whatever>
:
: 1. Which is the ONE and ONLY true ending to Mark's gospel? There are
: SEVERAL!!!!
:
: 2. The BIBLE CONDONES SLAVERY in both the Old and New Testament.
:
: WHY AREN'T YOU PETITIONING THE LAWMAKERS TO DECRIMINALISE SLAVERY BECAUSE
: GOD CONDONES SLAVERY - IT SAYS SO IN "GOD'S WORD"?????
I''m sick to death with Fundies. They dig their ignorant heels in to defend
everything in the bible but WHY OH WHY don't they defend slavery??? It's GOD
ordained and SANCTIONED in the bible!!!
Tell me it isn't so, SAM! (weeping)
Jude Alexander
One more addition:
Next time you pound on a homosexual, just think if you were that homosexual
if how you're talking to them would reach you and impact you in a positive
way. That's how I approached people when attempting to prostelize them.
And don't be a pansy ass and tell me you're not going to water down the
gospel. It's the hammer head Fundie that just irks me to death. You can
say ANYTHING strict to somebody without watering it down. You can believe
til you die that homosexuality is a sinful choice but I know better. Belief
is weak in the face of knowledge and you have no knowledge, only belief.
Have fun.
I
> : 2. The BIBLE CONDONES SLAVERY in both the Old and New Testament.
> :
> : WHY AREN'T YOU PETITIONING THE LAWMAKERS TO DECRIMINALISE SLAVERY
> BECAUSE
> : GOD CONDONES SLAVERY - IT SAYS SO IN "GOD'S WORD"?????
>
> I''m sick to death with Fundies. They dig their ignorant heels in to
> defend
> everything in the bible but WHY OH WHY don't they defend slavery??? It's
> GOD
> ordained and SANCTIONED in the bible!!!
Yep! Slavery is condoned EVERYWHERE in the bible.
If the bible is "God's Word" and MUST be followed in every detail then
SLAVERY should also be followed.
What the Bible says about Slavery
Exodus 21:2
If thou buy an Hebrew servant....
Exodus 21:7
If a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant....
Exodus 21:20-21
And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under
his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day
or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.
Exodus 22:3
If he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.
Leviticus 22:11
If the priest buy any soul with his money....
Leviticus 25:39
And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto
thee....
Leviticus 25:44-46
Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of
the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and
bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among
you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which
they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall
take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for
a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever.
Ephesians 6:5
Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the
flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ.
Colossians 3:22
Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with
eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God.
1 Timothy 6:1
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy
of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.
Titus 2:9-10
Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them
well in all things; not answering again; Not purloining, but shewing all
good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all
things.
1 Peter 2:18
Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good
and gentle, but also to the froward.
Randy ®
Jude Alexander <Onec...@swampland.net> wrote:
> I''m sick to death with Fundies. They dig their ignorant heels in to defend
> everything in the bible but WHY OH WHY don't they defend slavery??? It's GOD
> ordained and SANCTIONED in the bible!!!
>
>
> Tell me it isn't so, SAM! (weeping)
>
Show us the "real" word of God you're basing your faith in:
________________________
________________________
You two love to attack other people's basis of faith, then you
produce none of your own.
I
WHY AREN'T FUNDAMENTALISTS PETITIONING THE LAWMAKERS TO DECRIMINALISE
SLAVERY BECAUSE SLAVERY IS CONDONED IN "GOD'S WORD"?????
Randy ®
I <me@home000000000000524> wrote:
> The BIBLE CONDONES SLAVERY in both the Old and New Testament.
>
> WHY AREN'T FUNDAMENTALISTS PETITIONING THE LAWMAKERS TO DECRIMINALISE
> SLAVERY BECAUSE SLAVERY IS CONDONED IN "GOD'S WORD"?????
Where's your authoritative word of God that gave you knowledge of
and faith in the "truth" about Jesus and Yahweh, since you claim
you can't know if anything in the Bible is not an error?
_______________________
_______________________
I
<whatever>
The BIBLE CONDONES SLAVERY in both the Old and New Testament.
WHY AREN'T FUNDAMENTALISTS PETITIONING THE LAWMAKERS TO DECRIMINALISE
SLAVERY BECAUSE SLAVERY IS CONDONED IN "GOD'S WORD"?????
What the Bible says about Slavery
I
<whatever>
The BIBLE CONDONES SLAVERY in both the Old and New Testament.
WHY AREN'T FUNDAMENTALISTS PETITIONING THE LAWMAKERS TO DECRIMINALISE
Jude Alexander
"I" <me@home000000000000524> wrote in message
I'm waiting until the ULTIMATE FUNDAMENTALIST SHOWDOWN so I can hear them
proclaim to the world that since the "God" of the stone-aged Jews
established and sanctioned slavery that SLAVERY SHALL ONCE MORE BE ON THE
EARTH ACCORDING TO GOD'S WILL!!!
I'm waiting...
:
:
:
:
Jude Alexander
"Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:jZGdnV0sv8lQPWXX...@giganews.com...
: On Mon, 11/09/09, at 4:59:47PM,
: Jude Alexander <Onec...@swampland.net> wrote:
:
: > I''m sick to death with Fundies. They dig their ignorant heels in to
defend
: > everything in the bible but WHY OH WHY don't they defend slavery??? It's
GOD
: > ordained and SANCTIONED in the bible!!!
: >
: >
: > Tell me it isn't so, SAM! (weeping)
: >
:
: Show us the "real" word of God you're basing your faith in:
LOL. You really DO like to be the questioner. Does it give you a sense of
power or something? I've answer all your questions at least once. What is
it with you and these same questions asked over and over?:
: ________________________
:
Jude Alexander
Tell everybody why you don't fight for slavery?
I
> "Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote
...
>What is it with you and these same questions asked over and over?
Randy Young appears to be suffering from OCD.
I
> Tell everybody why you don't fight for slavery?
C'mon, Randy! Tell us all why you DON'T fight for biblical slavery to be
re-instated.
The BIBLE CONDONES SLAVERY in both the Old and New Testament.
WHY AREN'T YOU PETITIONING THE LAWMAKERS TO DECRIMINALISE SLAVERY BECAUSE
SLAVERY IS CONDONED IN "GOD'S WORD"?????
What the Bible says about Slavery
I
It is truly wonderful how God's Word condones slavery in both the Old
and New Testaments. You will fit in great with my other slave, Ike
Eickleberry, as you both follow God's Word where homosexuality is a sin but
slavery is okay.
Unfortunately, seeing as you are currently unemployed and have less value
than Ike, I can only offer you $1.50 as your slave price.
***********WANTED***************************
MALE AND FEMALE FUNDAMENTALIST GENTILE SLAVES
1. I want to buy two Fundamentalist Gentiles as my personal slaves (one
woman, one man) ... just like in the Bible.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Leviticus 25:44-46 "Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt
have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy
bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do
sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with
you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And
ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit
them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your
brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with
rigour."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
2. My male Fundamentalist Gentile Slave will be circumcised (if not done
already).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Genesis 17:13 "He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with
thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh
for an everlasting covenant."
Genesis 17:27 "And all the men of his house, born in the house, and bought
with money of the stranger, were circumcised with him."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
3. My female Fundamentalist Gentile Slave must not be not married or engaged
as I want to use her for my own sexual pleasure. (Though if an engaged
female is all I can acquire I am prepared to pay the trespass offering, let
her be killed and get another female. )
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Leviticus 19:20-22 "And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a
bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom
given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because
she was not free. And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord,
unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a
trespass offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the
ram of the trespass offering before the Lord for his sin which he hath done:
and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
4. My Fundamentalist Gentiule Slaves will not be subject to reselling.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Exodus 21:8 "If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to
himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange
nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.
And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the
manner of daughters. If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and
her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. And if he do not these three
unto her, then shall she go out free without money."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
5. I am willing to accept as a Fundamentalist Gentile Slave a debtor (or his
/ her children) who cannot pay back creditors.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
II Kings 4:1 "Now there cried a certain woman of the wives of the sons of
the prophets unto Elisha, saying, Thy servant my husband is dead; and thou
knowest that thy servant did fear the Lord: and the creditor is come to take
unto him my two sons to be bondmen."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
6. My Fundamentalist Gentile Slaves may, themselves, own slaves.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
2 Samuel 9:10: "...Now Ziba [Saul's slave] had fifteen sons and twenty
servants."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
7. My Fundamentalist Gentile Slaves may have the Sabbath [Saturday] off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Exodus 20:10 "But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it
thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy
manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is
within thy gates."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
8. If a suitable female Fundamentalist Gentile Slave is not found soon I may
have to invade another country to obtain a female Fundamentalist Gentile
Slave for free. I will let the invaded country keep the female's children,
cattle and everything else to show that I am a true Christian who is only
following what "God's Word" says that I am allowed to do.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Deuteronomy 20:14 "But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and
all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto
thyself"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
My buying price for each Fundamentalist Gentile Slave is $1.99 (Aus)
All offers considered.
Please send photo, personal details (age, vital statistics, proof of being a
Fundamentalist True Christian Gentile) attached to your reply to this post.
Randy ®
has a Son called "Jesus", while you insist you can't know if
anything the Bible says is not an error?
Mark T's attitude towards the Bible:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwvpVRdosNc
Randy ®
I <me@home000000000000525> wrote:
You're still pretending to believe in a God called "Yahweh", who
has a Son called "Jesus", while you insist you can't know if
anything the Bible says is not an error?
Mark's Attitude Towards The Bible:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwvpVRdosNc
I
> You're still pretending to believe in a God called "Yahweh"
I don't pretend. I DO believe In Yahweh - the Exclusive One God whom Jesus
worshipped and whom Jesus told us to wosdhip ....
Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God [YAHWEH NOT YAHWEH'S HUMAN CHRIST /
MESSIAH Jesus of Nazareth] with all your heart and with all
your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest
commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'
All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Matthew
22:37-40
WHY aren't YOU following JESUS' GREATEST COMMANDMENTS?????
I
> You're still pretending to believe in a God called "Yahweh"
I don't pretend. I DO believe In Yahweh - the Exclusive One God whom Jesus
worshipped and whom Jesus told us to worship ....
Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God [YAHWEH NOT YAHWEH'S HUMAN CHRIST /
MESSIAH Jesus of Nazareth] with all your heart and with allyour soul and
Randy ®
I <me@home000000000000525> wrote:
> "Randy �"<pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > You're still pretending to believe in a God called "Yahweh"
> I don't pretend. I DO believe In Yahweh
Really? Based on a source you insist you can't know what is not
an error in?
On Sat, 10/03/09, at 6:08:47PM,
In Group: alt.christnet.christianlife
Article: <4ac7d97f$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>
I <me@home000000000000124> wrote:
*****************************************************************
You can't know for sure what is NOT an error in the bible.
*****************************************************************
Or do are you referring to some other source that identifies some
God called "Yahweh", who has a Son named "Jesus"?
<chuckle>
Randy ®
I <me@home000000000000525> wrote:
> "Randy �"<pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > You're still pretending to believe in a God called "Yahweh"
> I don't pretend. I DO believe In Yahweh - the Exclusive One God whom Jesus
> worshipped and whom Jesus told us to worship ....
Based on a source you insist you can't know what is not an error in?
On Sat, 10/03/09, at 6:08:47PM,
In Group: alt.christnet.christianlife
Article: <4ac7d97f$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>
I <me@home000000000000124> wrote:
*****************************************************************
You can't know for sure what is NOT an error in the bible.
*****************************************************************
Or are you referring to some other source that identifies a God
called Yahweh, who has a Son named Jesus?
<chuckle>
--
I
>> I don't pretend. I DO believe In Yahweh
>
> Really?
Really.
I believe In Yahweh - the Exclusive One God whom Jesus
worshipped and whom Jesus told us to worship ....
Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God [YAHWEH NOT YAHWEH'S HUMAN CHRIST /
MESSIAH Jesus of Nazareth] with all your heart and with allyour soul and
with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest
commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'
All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Matthew
22:37-40
WHY aren't YOU following JESUS' GREATEST COMMANDMENTS?????
> Based on a source you insist you can't know what is not an error in?
QUE???? Can you translate your Manglese into English?
I
>> I don't pretend. I DO believe In Yahweh
>
> Really?
Really.
I believe In Yahweh - the Exclusive One God whom Jesus
worshipped and whom Jesus told us to worship ....
Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God [YAHWEH NOT YAHWEH'S HUMAN CHRIST /
MESSIAH Jesus of Nazareth] with all your heart and with allyour soul and
with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest
commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'
All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Matthew
22:37-40
WHY aren't YOU following JESUS' GREATEST COMMANDMENTS?????
> Based on a source you insist you can't know what is not an error in?
QUE???? Can you translate your Manglese into English?
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,
I AM hath sent me unto you.
Joh 8:58 -Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said unto him,
My Lord and my God.
Jim
Col 2:9 - For in him dwelleth
all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
I
> Joh 8:58 -Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
> Before Abraham was, I am.
The historic time / space Jesus of Nazareth NEVER stated it! It CANNOT be
found in any other gospel.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Like the other I AM sayings ... this one too, has been formulated by the
evangelist, possibly out of older formulas. - Funk, Hoover & The Jesus
Seminar "The Five Gospels: Polebridge:1993) p.451
The120 Jesus Seminar Scholars designated this saying BLACK - "I would not
include this item in the primary database / Jesus did not say this; it
represents the perspective or content of a later or different tradition".
Putting it in Plain English - Jesus of Nazareth NEVER stated John 14:6. It
is the invention of the writer of the gospel (who WASN'T the apostle John.)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oh ... and you quoted a FORGERY written 90 - 120 CE when the apostle John
was DEAD ... and you CAN'T find a similar quote in the EARLIEST gospel -
Mark's gospel written 65-80 CE.
> Joh 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said unto him,
> My Lord and my God.
"I [Jesus] am ascending to MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER, MY GOD AND YOUR GOD" -
John 20:17
Does God have a God?????
Oh ... and you quoted a FORGERY written 90 - 120 CE when the apostle John
was DEAD ... and you CAN'T find a similar quote in the EARLIEST gospel -
Mark's gospel written 65-80 CE.
> Col 2:9 - For in him dwelleth
> all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
SO???? it is merely a restatement of "God was IN Christ" (2 Cor. 5:19-21)
NOT "God WAS Christ"
--
The most pronounced characteristics [of fundamentalists] are the following:
(a) a very strong emphasis on the inerrancy of the Bible, the absence from
it of any sort of error;
(b) a strong hostility to modern theology and to the methods, results and
implications of modern critical study of the Bible;
(c) an assurance that those who do not share their religious viewpoint are
not really 'true Christians' at all.
- James Barr "Fundamentalism" (SCM Press:1977) p.1
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
>
> "I" <me@home000000000000524> wrote in message
> news:4af892f1$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> :
> : <whatever>
> :
> : 1. Which is the ONE and ONLY true ending to Mark's gospel? There are
> : SEVERAL!!!!
> :
> : 2. The BIBLE CONDONES SLAVERY in both the Old and New Testament.
> :
> : WHY AREN'T YOU PETITIONING THE LAWMAKERS TO DECRIMINALISE SLAVERY
> BECAUSE
> : GOD CONDONES SLAVERY - IT SAYS SO IN "GOD'S WORD"?????
>
> I''m sick to death with Fundies. They dig their ignorant heels in to
> defend
> everything in the bible but WHY OH WHY don't they defend slavery???
I have defended it constantly and many times because God and the OT and NT
do not class it as sinful nor is owning slaves if you are a Christian if
the law of your country allows it.
>It's GOD
> ordained and SANCTIONED in the bible!!!
Absolutely, it is, and therefore not wrong or sinful.
__
Veff...
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
> To Jeff:
>
> One more addition:
>
> Next time you pound on a homosexual, just think if you were that
> homosexual
> if how you're talking to them would reach you and impact you in a positive
> way. That's how I approached people when attempting to prostelize them.
> And don't be a pansy ass and tell me you're not going to water down the
> gospel. It's the hammer head Fundie that just irks me to death. You can
> say ANYTHING strict to somebody without watering it down.
Which the Bible does, with a doubt.
"9 Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of
God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,
nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, 10 nor thieves, nor
covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the
kingdom of God."1 Cor 6:9-10 (ASV)
"God gave them up unto *vile passions*: for their women changed the natural
use into that which is against nature: 27 and likewise also the men, leaving
the natural use of the woman, *burned in their lust* one toward another,
*men with men* working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that
recompense of their error which was due." Romans 1:26-27 (ASV)
It's plain enough for anyone to see, homosexual sin is forbidden to any
practising Christian.
> You can believe
> til you die that homosexuality is a sinful choice but I know better.
All fornication and adultery is sin whether indulged in by Hetros or
Homosexuals.
> Belief
> is weak in the face of knowledge and you have no knowledge, only belief.
> Have fun.
The thing used to condemn and warn against hetro & homosexual
fornication/adultery is the teaching of the Bible.....if such cannot take
it....then it is not my error of judgment, it is those who are committing
that sin who don't like the light of Truth exposing it.
They don't want to stop their fornication, they enjoy it, so they try and
make others believe they are not committing sin, when Bible teaching shows
they are, and so will never enter into God's Kingdom whether they think they
will or not.
"Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived."
Those who truly hate homosexuals will agree with them and allow them to
continue in their sinful lifestyles, those who are concerned for their
eternal welfare will warn them and show them that God hates such sinful
practises and warn them by Scripture teaching to abstain from such wicked
behaviour.
__
Veff....
I
>> : 2. The BIBLE CONDONES SLAVERY in both the Old and New Testament.
>> :
>> : WHY AREN'T YOU PETITIONING THE LAWMAKERS TO DECRIMINALISE SLAVERY
>> BECAUSE
>> : GOD CONDONES SLAVERY - IT SAYS SO IN "GOD'S WORD"?????
...
> I have defended it constantly and many times because God and the OT and NT
> do not class it as sinful nor is owning slaves if you are a Christian
I am SO glad that you believe that!
It is truly wonderful how God's Word condones slavery in both the Old
and New Testaments.
Please be my slave. I am offering a whole $2.00 as my slave price!
***********WANTED***************************
MALE AND FEMALE FUNDAMENTALIST GENTILE SLAVES
1. I want to buy two Fundamentalist Gentiles as my personal slaves (one
woman, one man) ... just like in the Bible.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Leviticus 25:44-46 "Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt
have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy
bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do
sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with
you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And
ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"I" <me@home000000000000524> wrote in message
> "Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <whatever>
>
> The BIBLE CONDONES SLAVERY in both the Old and New Testament.
Yes! it does indeed!
Just as I have always stated and been despised by so many so-called
Christians who sadly have little understanding of God's Word.
> WHY AREN'T FUNDAMENTALISTS PETITIONING THE LAWMAKERS TO DECRIMINALISE
> SLAVERY BECAUSE SLAVERY IS CONDONED IN "GOD'S WORD"?????
Because they do not involve themselves in the making of any of the laws of
any govenments.
"4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life;
that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier."
2 Tim 2:3-4 (KJV)
>
> What the Bible says about Slavery
Excellent passages, things I have been quoting since I came to
usernet.....{;o;}
AMEN!
So where are the true Christians who agree with the Inspired Apostles, where
are they Lord, increase their number.
__
Veff...
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"I" <me@home000000000000525> wrote in message
news:4af920a4$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" wrote:
>
>>> : 2. The BIBLE CONDONES SLAVERY in both the Old and New Testament.
>>> :
>>> : WHY AREN'T YOU PETITIONING THE LAWMAKERS TO DECRIMINALISE SLAVERY
>>> BECAUSE
>>> : GOD CONDONES SLAVERY - IT SAYS SO IN "GOD'S WORD"?????
> ...
>> I have defended it constantly and many times because God and the OT and
>> NT do not class it as sinful nor is owning slaves if you are a Christian
>
>
> I am SO glad that you believe that!
>
> It is truly wonderful how God's Word condones slavery in both the Old
> and New Testaments.
>
> Please be my slave. I am offering a whole $2.00 as my slave price!
I am not for sale.....sorry and all that.....{;o;}
__
Veff...
I
>> The BIBLE CONDONES SLAVERY in both the Old and New Testament.
>
> Yes! it does indeed!
I am SO glad that you believe that!
It is truly wonderful how God's Word condones slavery in both the Old
and New Testaments.
Please be my slave. I am offering a whole $2.00 as my slave price!
***********WANTED***************************
MALE AND FEMALE FUNDAMENTALIST GENTILE SLAVES
1. I want to buy two Fundamentalist Gentiles as my personal slaves (one
woman, one man) ... just like in the Bible.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Leviticus 25:44-46 "Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt
have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy
bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do
sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with
you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And
ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit
I
>>>> : 2. The BIBLE CONDONES SLAVERY in both the Old and New Testament.
>>>> :
>>>> : WHY AREN'T YOU PETITIONING THE LAWMAKERS TO DECRIMINALISE SLAVERY
>>>> BECAUSE
>>>> : GOD CONDONES SLAVERY - IT SAYS SO IN "GOD'S WORD"?????
>> ...
>>> I have defended it constantly and many times because God and the OT and
>>> NT do not class it as sinful nor is owning slaves if you are a
>>> Christian
>>
>>
>> I am SO glad that you believe that!
>>
>> It is truly wonderful how God's Word condones slavery in both the Old
>> and New Testaments.
>>
>> Please be my slave. I am offering a whole $2.00 as my slave price!
>
> I am not for sale.....sorry and all that....
What country are you from?
Are you a female?
If a suitable female Fundamentalist Gentile Slave is not found soon I may
have to invade your country to obtain you as a female Fundamentalist Gentile
Slave for free. I will let your invaded country keep your children, cattle
and everything else to show that I am a true Christian who is only following
what "God's Word" says that I am allowed to do.
Deuteronomy 20:14 "But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and
all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto
thyself"
--
"All things are probable. Try to believe. Really! Try to believe even if
it's bloody stupid and irrational. Why? Because I said so, that's why!
Don't ask questions. Just believe." - Mark 17: 1- 3 (MTV)
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
No need to, Jude, it's happening right now .....the world is full of slaves
around different areas of the world, didn't you know that?
"There are more people in slavery now than at any other time in human
history.
According to research carried out by the organization Free the Slaves, more
people are enslaved worldwide than ever before.
In its 400 years, the transatlantic slave trade is estimated to have shipped
up to 12 million Africans to various colonies in the West. Free the Slaves
estimates that the number of people in slavery today is at least 27
million."
http://matadorchange.com/10-shocking-facts-about-global-slavery-in-2008/
Enjoy the read.
Jeff...
Jude Alexander
"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com>
wrote in message news:7lsnbnF...@mid.individual.net...
:
: "Jude Alexander" <Onec...@swampland.net> wrote in message
Come on, Jeff. don't tapdance around the issue. I'm waiting for people
like you, religious fundamentals, who beleive in the absolute inerrancy of
the bible and that God's will, pleasure and displeasure is reflected in
each and every page.
Why aren't you guys fighting for the re-enactment of slavery!
According to the bible, God established it, made rules for it and sanctioned
it completely!
:
:
:
:
Jude Alexander
: On Mon, 11/09/09, at 7:23:44PM,
: I <me@home000000000000525> wrote:
:
: > "Jude Alexander" wrote:
: >
: >> Tell everybody why you don't fight for slavery?
Randy, tell us why Fundamentalist Christians don't stand up for the
re-institution of slavery. It is God commanded, God sanctioned and
regulated in the bible!
Please, we're waiting!
Jude Alexander
:
: "Jude Alexander" <Onec...@swampland.net> wrote in message
You didn't respond one iota to what I said. Are you a bot?
:
:
:
Randy ®
I <me@home000000000000525> wrote:
> I believe In Yahweh - the Exclusive One God whom Jesus
> worshipped and whom Jesus told us to worship ....
On Sat, 10/03/09, at 6:08:47PM,
In Group: alt.christnet.christianlife
Article: <4ac7d97f$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>
I <me@home000000000000124> wrote:
*****************************************************************
You can't know for sure what is NOT an error in the bible.
*****************************************************************
Why does Mark claim to believe in a God he heard about from a
source he claims he can't be sure is not an error?
You can't trust in something you know about from a source you
don't trust. Mark either does not believe in the Yahweh we know
from the Bible, or he believes in some other "Yahweh" from some
other source. If so, what is the source of truth by which Mark
knows "Yahweh"?
__________________________
__________________________
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
I have told you true Christians do not get involved or concern themselves in
changing man's laws they are commanded to keep themselves to themselves, and
keep out of all politics. They don't even vote in elections.
Now please be said.
"4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life;
that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier. 5 And if a man
also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive
lawfully." 2 Tim 2:4-5 (KJV)
"17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord,
and touch not the unclean; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father
unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." 2
Cor 6:16-18 (KJV)
Randy ®
I <me@home000000000000525> wrote:
> "Randy �"<pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> >> I don't pretend. I DO believe In Yahweh
>> >
>> > Really?
> Really.
>
> I believe In Yahweh - the Exclusive One God whom Jesus
> worshipped and whom Jesus told us to worship ....
On Sat, 10/03/09, at 6:08:47PM,
In Group: alt.christnet.christianlife
Article: <4ac7d97f$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>
I <me@home000000000000124> wrote:
*****************************************************************
You can't know for sure what is NOT an error in the bible.
*****************************************************************
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:14:46 -0800 (PST),
In alt.christnet.christianlife,
Article
<5cfb13af-4f84-43b2...@k13g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
"In My Fathers House" <hso...@hotmail.com> wrote:
*****************************************************************
However the Bible does make God out to be a dishonest and
or psycho who is messing with us and cannot be trusted...
If God were really like that then we are doomed anyway.
*****************************************************************
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 06:56:59 -0700 (PDT),
In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
Article
<73923621-bace-45b7...@r9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
Subject: Re: Jude's Attack On Bible
Jude <ashm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
*************************************************************
> So since it's your one purpose of being here to prove the
> Bible is full of errors, why don't you show us exactly what
> parts of the Bible you are allowing men may consider
> trustworthy:
>
> ____________________________________________
>
> ____________________________________________
[]
Are you an idiot? That kind of discussion could take a lifetime.
*************************************************************
What kind of arrogant, hard-core, delusional liar is going to
look people right in the eye and tell them he believes in a God
he knows about from a source he insists he can't be sure isn't an
error, contradicts itself, and/or would mean God is evil if it
were His word? Self-contained, self-evident lies and
self-contradiction.
Do they insist that a source which contradicts itself cannot be
trusted. Well, claiming to trust a God you know about from a
source you labor to prove isn't trustworthy, is a self-evident
contradiction.
Do they claim a source which came through fallible men can't be
trusted? Well, they are fallible men, as are their subjective
perceptions of "reality", as are their 120 Jesus Seminar
"scholars". Their own standards require them to produce what
they agree to be the "real" word of God, or their own standards
totally undermine everything they say, and their own words fall
by the claims they apparently hoped would bring down the Bible.
_IF_ any self-evident, self-contradicting liar who claims to
believe in a God he knows about from a source he insists isn't
trustworthy, believes in any God at all, it's some other God than
the One trusted by Christians who believe the Bible is God's
word. Such Satanically energized liars as attack the word of God
(our Bibles) cannot possibly be here to promote faith in the God
of that Bible, but to destroy people's faith in the God of the Bible.
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"I" <me@home000000000000525> wrote in message
> "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" wrote:
>
>>>>> : 2. The BIBLE CONDONES SLAVERY in both the Old and New Testament.
>>>>> :
>>>>> : WHY AREN'T YOU PETITIONING THE LAWMAKERS TO DECRIMINALISE SLAVERY
>>>>> BECAUSE
>>>>> : GOD CONDONES SLAVERY - IT SAYS SO IN "GOD'S WORD"?????
>>> ...
>>>> I have defended it constantly and many times because God and the OT and
>>>> NT do not class it as sinful nor is owning slaves if you are a
>>>> Christian
>>>
>>>
>>> I am SO glad that you believe that!
>>>
>>> It is truly wonderful how God's Word condones slavery in both the Old
>>> and New Testaments.
>>>
>>> Please be my slave. I am offering a whole $2.00 as my slave price!
>>
>> I am not for sale.....sorry and all that....
>
>
> What country are you from?
Malla~whalla~whalla~land
> Are you a female?
God decided I was to be male, made in His Own image and glory, woman is the
glory of man.
> "All things are probable. Try to believe. Really! Try to believe even if
> it's bloody stupid and irrational. Why? Because I said so, that's why!
Exactly and that throws you on your back and takes away your breath
completely.....{;o;}
> Don't ask questions. Just believe." - Mark 17: 1- 3 (MTV)
Ah! now we are finding your Achilles heel.
"6 And without faith it is impossible to be please him; for he that cometh
to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them those that
diligently seek him." Heb 11:6 (KJV)
__
Veff...
Jude Alexander
:
: "Jude Alexander" <Onec...@swampland.net> wrote in message
This is the biggest crap sandwich I've been asked to eat IN A LONG TIME!
Fundamentalists are CONSTANTLY trying to change laws to reflect biblical
laws (well, the ones they've kept) or trying to keep ones. What's all the
hoopla about "gay marriage?" or discrimination laws? Most Fundies want
there to be discrimination against gays so that they can get fired, not hold
any rank of any children's organization, not show public displays of
affection (i.e. holding hands), on and on ad nauseum.
Jeff, are you even capable of the simpliest level of honesty about social
"hot topics?":
:
:
:
:
Randy ®
I <me@home000000000000525> wrote:
> <jwshe...@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> > Joh 8:58 -Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
>> > Before Abraham was, I am.
> The historic time / space Jesus of Nazareth NEVER stated it! It CANNOT be
> found in any other gospel.
But you insist the Bible can't be trusted, because you claim it's
only the product of fallible men. Using the claims of men after
you claim the words of men can't be trusted to be the truth from
God, is just self-evident self-contradiction on your part. That
means you have to produce the actual word of God to support your
beliefs about God, or admit you're a self-contradicting
hypocrite. Now, please show us the "real' word of God that
supports your theology:
___________________________
___________________________
guardian Snow
> Are you an idiot? That kind of discussion could take a lifetime.
A lifetime you have, use it better then you have been.
> *************************************************************
> What kind of arrogant, hard-core, delusional liar is going to
> look people right in the eye and tell them he believes in a God
> he knows about from a source he insists he can't be sure isn't an
> error, contradicts itself, and/or would mean God is evil if it
> were His word? Self-contained, self-evident lies and
> self-contradiction.
I find it interesting that you call him a liar when he's telling you
what he believes and delusional when he demonstrates a belief system
based in reality of rational thinking. Why do you arrogantly assume
you are allowed to be his judge?
Mat 7:1 “Do not judge, lest you be judged.
Mat 7:2 “For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged. And
with the same measure you use, it shall be measured to you.
Mat 7:3 “And why do you look at the splinter in your brother’s eye,
but do not notice the plank in your own eye?
I don't agree with a lot of what Mark says but he is entitled to his
opinion and his belief system. How is a single word of your post
consider "loving"?
Mat 7:26 “And everyone who hears these words of Mine, and does not do
them,1 shall be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand,
Footnote: 1John 3:36.
Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
persecuting you,
Seems scriptures tends to hold a different view from you in my
opinion.
In conclusion it really isn’t a wonder why so many people live in the
conflict view that we must crush our enemies when the poor translation
of scriptures leads us to believe that violence is a solution that
serves the purpose of YAHWEH. A closer examination of what is written
in Hebrew truly is lost on modern society.
Mat 7:12 “Therefore, whatever you wish men to do to you, do also to
them, for this is the Torah and the Prophets.
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Every child senses, with all the horse sense that's in him, that any
parent is angry inside when children misbehave and they dread more the
anger that is rarely or never expressed openly, wondering how awful it
might be.
Benjamin Spock
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of 'Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [translated
Yahweh] your Elohim to naught, for Yahweh does not leave the one
unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
The child supplies the power but the parents have to do the steering.
Benjamin Spock
Respond directly:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download scriptures free
http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/RNKJV.zip
Restored Names King James for E-sword
http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/Jubilees.pdf
Book of Jubilees
I believe that being successful means having a balance of success
stories across the many areas of your life. You can't truly be
considered successful in your business life if your home life is in
shambles.
Zig Ziglar
Earth Song by Michael Jackson
What about sunrise
What about rain
What about all the things
That you said we were to gain.. .
What about killing fields
Is there a time
What about all the things
That you said was yours and mine...
Did you ever stop to notice
All the blood we've shed before
Did you ever stop to notice
The crying Earth the weeping shores?
Aaaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaaah
What have we done to the world
Look what we've done
What about all the peace
That you pledge your only son...
What about flowering fields
Is there a time
What about all the dreams
That you said was yours and mine...
Did you ever stop to notice
All the children dead from war
Did you ever stop to notice
The crying Earth the weeping shores
Aaaaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaaaah
I used to dream
I used to glance beyond the stars
Now I don't know where we are
Although I know we've drifted far
Aaaaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaaaaah
Aaaaaaaaaaah Aaaaaaaaaaaah
Hey, what about yesterday
(What about us)
What about the seas
(What about us)
The heavens are falling down
(What about us)
I can't even breathe
(What about us)
What about the bleeding Earth
(What about us)
Can't we feel its wounds
(What about us)
What about nature's worth
(ooo,ooo)
It's our planet's womb
(What about us)
What about animals
(What about it)
We've turned kingdoms to dust
(What about us)
What about elephants
(What about us)
Have we lost their trust
(What about us)
What about crying whales
(What about us)
We're ravaging the seas
(What about us)
What about forest trails
(ooo, ooo)
Burnt despite our pleas
(What about us)
What about the holy land
(What about it)
Torn apart by creed
(What about us)
What about the common man
(What about us)
Can't we set him free
(What about us)
What about children dying
(What about us)
Can't you hear them cry
(What about us)
Where did we go wrong
(ooo, ooo)
Someone tell me why
(What about us)
What about babies
(What about it)
What about the days
(What about us)
What about all their joy
(What about us)
What about the man
(What about us)
What about the crying man
(What about us)
What about Abraham
(What was us)
What about death again
(ooo, ooo)
Do we give a damn
Randy ®
Jude Alexander <Onec...@swampland.net> wrote:
How do you think daily persistence in trying to undermine the
Bible, somehow fails to advertise the fact you, Mark, and House
are frauds for pretending to believe in or follow the God of that
Bible?
Are you an idiot? That kind of discussion could take a lifetime.
*************************************************************
What kind of arrogant, hard-core, delusional liar is going to
look people right in the eye and tell them he believes in a God
he knows about from a source he insists he can't be sure isn't an
error, contradicts itself, and/or would mean God is evil if it
were His word? Self-contained, self-evident lies and
self-contradiction.
Do they insist that a source which contradicts itself cannot be
trusted. Well, claiming to trust a God you know about from a
source you labor to prove isn't trustworthy, is a self-evident
contradiction.
Do they claim a source which came through fallible men can't be
trusted? Well, they are fallible men, as are their subjective
perceptions of "reality", as are their 120 Jesus Seminar
"scholars". Their own standards require them to produce what
they agree to be the "real" word of God, or their own standards
totally undermine everything they say, and their own words fall
by the claims they apparently hoped would bring down the Bible.
_IF_ any self-evident, self-contradicting liar who claims to
believe in a God he knows about from a source he insists isn't
trustworthy, believes in any God at all, it's some other God than
the One trusted by Christians who believe the Bible is God's
word. Such Satanically energized liars as attack the word of God
(our Bibles) cannot possibly be here to promote faith in the God
of that Bible, but to destroy people's faith in the God of the Bible.
--
....Matt....
Traditionalist" <broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>"I" <me@home000000000000524> wrote in message
>news:4af8a365$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>> "Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> <whatever>
>>
>> The BIBLE CONDONES SLAVERY in both the Old and New Testament.
>
>Yes! it does indeed!
>Just as I have always stated and been despised by so many so-called
>Christians who sadly have little understanding of God's Word.
>
>> WHY AREN'T FUNDAMENTALISTS PETITIONING THE LAWMAKERS TO DECRIMINALISE
>> SLAVERY BECAUSE SLAVERY IS CONDONED IN "GOD'S WORD"?????
>
>Because they do not involve themselves in the making of any of the laws of
>any govenments.
>"4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life;
>that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier."
>2 Tim 2:3-4 (KJV)
Many fundamentalists would disagree as did the Mormon church and
others in California. Do you think the above passage say's Christ
wants the government to be secular?
God Bless
Matt
Jude Alexander
: On Tue, 11/10/09, at 6:15:08AM,
: Jude Alexander <Onec...@swampland.net> wrote:
:
: > "Randy �"<pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
: > news:1vWdnb5ntJaCXmXX...@giganews.com...
: > : On Mon, 11/09/09, at 7:23:44PM,
: > : I<me@home000000000000525> wrote:
: > :
: > :> "Jude Alexander" wrote:
: > :>
: > :>> Tell everybody why you don't fight for slavery?
: >
: > Randy, tell us why Fundamentalist Christians don't stand up for the
: > re-institution of slavery. It is God commanded, God sanctioned and
: > regulated in the bible!
: >
: > Please, we're waiting!
:
:
: How do you think daily persistence in trying to undermine the
: Bible, somehow fails to advertise the fact you, Mark, and House
: are frauds for pretending to believe in or follow the God of that
: Bible?
Look, jerk off, we've answered you questions many times over. Now answer
just ONE and quit trying to smoke screen the issue!!!
ANSWER THE ISSUE!!! What about slavery in the bible? Is slavery moral or
not?
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
This one isn't....and neither are any Christian 'fundamentalists' if they
are not obeying the passages above.
>What's all the
> hoopla about "gay marriage?"
It's such a spiritual diabolical, sinfully ridiculous proposition.
>or discrimination laws? Most Fundies want
> there to be discrimination against gays so that they can get fired, not
> hold
> any rank of any children's organization, not show public displays of
> affection
That makes sense for the bounds of public decency, etc.
>(i.e. holding hands), on and on ad nauseum.
I couldn't care less what others want, as far as I am concerned they can
marry their dogs and cats, but it still won't get them saved.
> Jeff, are you even capable of the simpliest level of honesty about social
> "hot topics?":
I am being honest, but you cannot see it....{;o;}
__
Veff...
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"....Matt...." <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
news:pe5jf55o4f3dtgnpb...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:21:06 -0000, "1st Century Apostolic
> Traditionalist" <broadband1234[remove]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"I" <me@home000000000000524> wrote in message
>>news:4af8a365$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>> "Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <whatever>
>>>
>>> The BIBLE CONDONES SLAVERY in both the Old and New Testament.
>>
>>Yes! it does indeed!
>>Just as I have always stated and been despised by so many so-called
>>Christians who sadly have little understanding of God's Word.
>>
>>> WHY AREN'T FUNDAMENTALISTS PETITIONING THE LAWMAKERS TO DECRIMINALISE
>>> SLAVERY BECAUSE SLAVERY IS CONDONED IN "GOD'S WORD"?????
>>
>>Because they do not involve themselves in the making of any of the laws of
>>any govenments.
>>"4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life;
>>that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier."
>>2 Tim 2:3-4 (KJV)
>
> Many fundamentalists would disagree as did the Mormon church and
> others in California.
Let them, I follow Bible teaching not men, no matter how many disagree with
it, which almost all churches do today, especially in regards to allowing
uncovered women preachers and tolerating fornicating Hetros & Sodomites in
their heretical churches.
> Do you think the above passage say's Christ
> wants the government to be secular?
God puts into power whomsoever He wishes, and He needs no help or hindrance
from me.
Thus I do not vote for any government, God has decided whom He wants, why
should I risk voting against His wishes, which myriads of supposed
Christians do.
__
Veff...
guardian Snow
> How do you think daily persistence in trying to undermine the
> Bible, somehow fails to advertise the fact you, Mark, and House
> are frauds for pretending to believe in or follow the God of that
> Bible?
I was going to ask you the same question with different names.. irony.
I
>> I believe In Yahweh - the Exclusive One God whom Jesus
>> worshipped and whom Jesus told us to worship ....
...
> You can't know for sure what is NOT an error in the bible.
CORRECT!!!
The bible contains BOTH truth and error (and many mixes of both).
The wise person knows how to correctly divide the two.
THAT is why some parts of the bible can be quoted because they are ACCURATE
and other parts are not quoted because they are INACCURATE.
The ignorant person, such as Randy Young, believes ALL the bible to be 100%
correct even the contradictions, forgeries, editings, additions, etc.
I
<whatever>
The bible is NOT as important as God.
God is NOT the bible. Quoting the bible is NOT quoting God.
The bible contains BOTH truth and error (and many mixes of both).
The wise person knows how to correctly divide the two using one's God-given
mind (and to put to one side those parts which one is not sure of).
THAT is why some parts of the bible can be quoted because they are ACCURATE
and other parts are not quoted because they are INACCURATE.
The ignorant person, such as Randy Young, believes ALL the bible to be 100%
correct even the contradictions, forgeries, editings, additions, etc. -
though Randy Young CANNOT tell us which of the MULTIPLE endings to Mark's
gospel is the ONE and ONLY true ending!!!!
#########################################################
Christ does not read the Bible, the New Testament, or the Gospel. He is the
norm of the Bible, the criterion of the New Testament, the incarnation of
the Gospel. ... The person, not the book, and the life, not the text, are
decisive and constitutive for us.
- John Dominic Crossan "God & Empire: Jesus against Rome, then and now,"
(HarperOne:2007) p. 95
########################################################
I
Randy ®
I <me@home000000000000526> wrote:
> The bible contains BOTH truth and error (and many mixes of both).
That contradicts what you said before:
On Sat, 10/03/09, at 6:08:47PM,
In Group: alt.christnet.christianlife
Article: <4ac7d97f$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>
I <me@home000000000000124> wrote:
*****************************************************************
You can't know for sure what is NOT an error in the bible.
*****************************************************************
Before you said you can't be sure what is not an error. Now
you're saying the Bible has both truth and error. That means you
would have to know that some of the Bible is true, which would
mean you are contradicting what you said when you claimed you
can't know what is not an error.
Randy ®
I <me@home000000000000526> wrote:
> The bible contains BOTH truth and error (and many mixes of both).
That contradicts what you said before:
On Sat, 10/03/09, at 6:08:47PM,
In Group: alt.christnet.christianlife
Article: <4ac7d97f$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>
I <me@home000000000000124> wrote:
*****************************************************************
You can't know for sure what is NOT an error in the bible.
*****************************************************************
Before you said you can't be sure what is not an error. Now
you're saying the Bible has both truth and error. That means you
would have to know that some of the Bible is true, which would
mean you are contradicting what you said when you claimed you
can't know what is not an error.
--
Randy ®
I <me@home000000000000526> wrote:
> The bible contains BOTH truth and error (and many mixes of both).
That contradicts what you said before:
On Sat, 10/03/09, at 6:08:47PM,
In Group: alt.christnet.christianlife
Article: <4ac7d97f$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>
I <me@home000000000000124> wrote:
*****************************************************************
You can't know for sure what is NOT an error in the bible.
*****************************************************************
Before you said you can't be sure what is not an error. Now
you're saying the Bible has both truth and error. That means you
would have to know that some of the Bible is true, which would
mean you are contradicting what you said when you claimed you
can't know what is not an error.
--
I
<whatever>
The bible is NOT as important as God.
God is NOT the bible. Quoting the bible is NOT quoting God.
The bible contains BOTH truth and error (and many mixes of both).
The wise person knows how to correctly divide the two using one's God-given
I
<whatever>
The bible is NOT as important as God.
God is NOT the bible. Quoting the bible is NOT quoting God.
The bible contains BOTH truth and error (and many mixes of both).
The wise person knows how to correctly divide the two using one's God-given
I
Steve Hayes
>"Randy � Young" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
><whatever>
>
>The bible is NOT as important as God.
Who is "I", and why is it so obsessed with this "Randy Young" that it posts
SIX NEW THREADS DEVOTED TO RANDY YOUNG?
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
an author from the 2nd who heard Polycarp in his youth and
Polycarp knew the Apostle John, Irenaeus of Lyons.
"So Matthew ... issued a writting of the gospel...Peter and Paul
were preaching the gospel at Rome...after their decease, Mark, the
disciple
and interpreter of Peter, also handed down to us in writting what
Peter
had preached. Then Luke, the follower of Paul, recorded in a book
the gospel as it was preached by him. Finally John, the disciple of
the
Lord,
who had also lain on his breast, himself published the Gospel,
while he was residing at Ephesus in Asia."
"Early Christian Fathers", Cyril C. Richardson, P 370
Jim
Lu 1:2 - Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the
beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
I
news:444c4b2a-4c39-47ac...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> You are quoting scholars from the 20th century.
Yep! Contemporary biblical scholars who know FAR more than FOURTH HAND
testimony by a person who NEVER met Jesus and whose testimony would NOT be
permitted in a court of law - Irenaeus of Lyons.
##############################################
The Top Ten Discoveries for Excavating Jesus
This book is about digging for Jesus, digging down archeologically amidst
the stones to reconstruct his world and digging down exegetically amidst the
texts to reconstruct his life. It is, above all else, about integrating
those twin excavations in order to locate his life in its world, to place
his vision and his program in its time and place. Both types of digs
involved inspection and identification, reconstruction and interpretation.
Especially interpretation. We know that the stones cannot speak to us
without our interpretation. But neither can the texts. p. 1
ARCHEOLOGICAL DISCOVERIES
1. The James Ossuary ... November 2002 *[ Now proven to be a hoax]
...
2. The Caiaphas Ossuary
...
3. The Pilate Inscription
...
4. The Crucified man
...
5. The Lake of Tiberius
...
6. Caesarea Maritima and Jerusalem
...
7. Sepphoris and Tiberias
...
8. Masada and Qumran
...
9. Jodefat and Gamla
...
10. Stone Vessels and Ritual Pools pp. 1-6
EXEGETICAL DISCOVERIES
1. The Dead Sea Scrolls
2. The Nag Hammadi Codices
3. The dependence of Matthew and Luke on Mark
4. The dependence of Matthew and Luke on the Q gospel
5. The dependence of John on Mark, Matthew and Luke.
6. The independence of the Gospel of Thomas from the canonical gospels.
7. The common saying tradition in the Q gospel and the Gospel of Thomas
8. The independence of The Teaching (Didache) from the gospels
9. The existence of an independent source in the Gospel of Peter
10. The clash between James and Paul as reflected back on the historical
Jesus. p. 7
The Layers Of Gospel. ... Gospel layering has several components. Form
criticism establishes the earliest formats used in transmitting the
tradition ( a parable, an aphorism, a dialogue, a law, etc.). Source
criticism establishes who is copying from whom. Redaction criticism builds
on such copying to establish the purpose for the copyist's omission,
addition, or alteration. Tradition criticism uses all of the above to
establish successive layers of the tradition's development. .... On the one
hand, the farther removed the layers are from the time of Jesus, the more
Christian they become. Unlike earlier gospel layers, later ones tend to
distance from Judaism and "the Jews" (so John) or use Jewish texts and
interpretative devices to reinvent Judaism as Christianity (so Matthew). And
later archaeological layers commemorating Jesus' life tend to efface signs
of his Jewishness in the earlier ones and replace them with features
from Rome or Byzantium. On the other hand, the farther removed Jesus is
from his first-century Galilean context, the more elite and regal he
becomes. Unlike earlier gospel layers, later ones portray him as a
leisurely philosopher (so John) or a literate interpreter of scrolls and
erudite partner at banquets (so Luke). And later shrines and churches in
Galilee and Jerusalem efface his humble peasant beginnings in archaeological
layers and replace them with imperial and monumental architecture. In
Excavating Jesus, we want to return to that earliest layer of both earth and
text. pp. 12-15
from John Dominic Crossan & Jonathan L Reed "Excavating Jesus: Beneath the
stones, Behind the texts" ( HarperSanFrancisco: 2001).
Randy ®
Jude Alexander <Onec...@swampland.net> wrote:
> How do you think daily persistence in trying to undermine the
> : Bible, somehow fails to advertise the fact you, Mark, and House
> : are frauds for pretending to believe in or follow the God of that
> : Bible?
>
> Look, jerk off, we've answered you questions many times over. Now answer
> just ONE and quit trying to smoke screen the issue!!!
>
> ANSWER THE ISSUE!!! What about slavery in the bible? Is slavery moral or
> not?
You're illustrating the point. You don't believe in a God you
heard about from a source you labor to discredit and undermine
every single day. You're frauds.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
4cqdnWSa5peO5mbX...@giganews.com
> On Tue, 11/10/09, at 12:07:58AM,
> Jude Alexander <Onec...@swampland.net> wrote:
>
>> How do you think daily persistence in trying to undermine the
>>> Bible, somehow fails to advertise the fact you, Mark, and House
>>> are frauds for pretending to believe in or follow the God of that
>>> Bible?
>>
>> Look, jerk off, we've answered you questions many times over. Now
>> answer just ONE and quit trying to smoke screen the issue!!!
>>
>> ANSWER THE ISSUE!!! What about slavery in the bible? Is slavery
>> moral or not?
>
>
> You're illustrating the point. You don't believe in a God you
> heard about from a source you labor to discredit and undermine
> every single day. You're frauds.
Correct. And I believe he is just here for a personal vendetta against
God's people.
Jude Alexander
: On Tue, 11/10/09, at 12:07:58AM,
: Jude Alexander <Onec...@swampland.net> wrote:
:
: > How do you think daily persistence in trying to undermine the
: > : Bible, somehow fails to advertise the fact you, Mark, and House
: > : are frauds for pretending to believe in or follow the God of that
: > : Bible?
: >
: > Look, jerk off, we've answered you questions many times over. Now
answer
: > just ONE and quit trying to smoke screen the issue!!!
: >
: > ANSWER THE ISSUE!!! What about slavery in the bible? Is slavery moral
or
: > not?
:
:
: You're illustrating the point. You don't believe in a God you
: heard about from a source you labor to discredit and undermine
: every single day. You're frauds.
Re-read what you just typed and apply it to yourself.
Many of us have answered your questions, some of which several times.
NOW ANSWER ONE QUESTION:
Is slavery inherently immoral?
Randy ®
Jude Alexander <Onec...@swampland.net> wrote:
Why are you asking that question? To try and undermine the
Bible. You again illustrate the point. You are a fraud if you
claim to believe in a God from a source you labor to undermine
and discredit. Just admit you are not a christian, but that you
are out to attack and destroy faith in the God and Christ of the
Bible.
Jude Alexander
: On Thu, 11/12/09, at 9:27:46AM,
Tap dancing somehow become you.... :)
According to your best understanding, is slavery inherently moral or
immoral. A simple answer will do. :)
We ALL know that you're trying to avoid answering.
I'll answer for you. IF you believe COMPLETELY in all that the biblical
writers had to say how God spoke to them, gave them laws and instructions,
then YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES ---- SLAVERY IS MORAL!!!
Thank you for showing how FundaMENTALists bend over backwards to defend and
proclaim to all the word the truth of the bible, which includes the
God-willed and God sanctified slavery of one person owning others and
fathers selling their daughters into slavery!
I
>> Is slavery inherently immoral?
>
> Why are you asking that question? To try and undermine the Bible.
The BIBLE CONDONES SLAVERY in both the Old and New Testament.
WHY AREN'T FUNDAMENTALISTS PETITIONING THE LAWMAKERS TO DECRIMINALISE
SLAVERY BECAUSE SLAVERY IS CONDONED IN "GOD'S WORD"?????
What the Bible says about Slavery
Exodus 21:2
If thou buy an Hebrew servant....
Exodus 21:7
If a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant....
Exodus 21:20-21
And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under
his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day
or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.
Exodus 22:3
If he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.
Leviticus 22:11
If the priest buy any soul with his money....
Leviticus 25:39
And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto
thee....
Leviticus 25:44-46
Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of
the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and
bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among
you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which
they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall
take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for
a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever.
Ephesians 6:5
dolf
(derived by computation) used by Mark Tindall under the name I, the
biblical narrative quoted from Luke 4:16-17 and Isaiah 61:1-3; 6-8 in
reply to one of his erroneous assertions all seems to have a correlation.
This is not the first time where I have observed this extra-ordinary
paranormal sanctification between what the persona Mark Tindall is
posting under and the computational categories I have devised.
Today I had a friend come by and tell me the time they observed in their
dream which they had on my couch--I was able from the same the
mathematical model, tell them something of the character of the dream.
Mark and myself both respond to Randy Young with these minor miracles of
text so as to dissuade him from his destructive proof text posting and
assertions of absolutes.
Steve Hayes haye...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:10:30 GMT, dolf <dolf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I is Mark Tindall and is responding to Randy Young's lying tongue as
fundamentalist religious delusion, something which you must certainly be
aware of in Africa.
>
> I had never heard of this Randy Young before this person you say is
called
> Mark Tindall started flooding the newsgroups with messages about him
in at
> least ten different threads.
>
> A fairly well-known theologian or biblical scholar might desrve to be
named in
> a thread occasionally -- someone of the stature of, say Kark Barth or
John
> Calvin or John of Damascus or Martin Luther or John Wesley or Gregory of
> Nasianzus or Stanley Hauerwas or David Bosch or William Laud. But
having two
> threads would be pushing it, and three or four would be over the top.
>
> So why does this "Mark Tindall" (if he is who you say he is) keep
pushing this
> Randy Young whom I'f never heard of until about ten separate message
threads
> about him appeared over the last couple of days?
>
> I know nothing of Randy Young.
>
> I do know that "Mark Tindall" (is he a Rastafarian, calling himself
"I"?) is a
> troll and a spammer.
>
> If Randy Young is sufficiently important as a theologian to deserve
not one,
> but ten different threads, then please will someone explain his
theological
> importance and why we should take notice of him.
>
>
>
>
Subject: Re: UNEMPLOYABLE RANDY YOUNG OCD POSTING - GET A JOB, BUM!!!
From: dolf <dolf...@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.bible,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.christnet.evangelical,alt.relig
ion.christian.episcopal,aus.religion.christian,england.religion.christian
PLEASE EXCUSE THE TYPOS
"...But you shall be called priests of the LORD, men shall speak of you
as those who minister before our God; you shall eat the possessions of
the Gentiles, and in their glory you shall be indulged.
Instead of your being ashamed and confounded, two for one the benefits I
promised you I will bring to you, and the Gentiles will be ashamed who
were boasting in their lot; therefore in their land they shall possess
two for one: theirs shall be everlasting joy. For I the LORD love
judgment, despised before me are deceit and oppression: I will in truth
give them a reward of their deeds, and I will make an eternal covenant
with them." [Aramaic Targum Isaiah 61: 6-8]
- dolf
- http://www.grapple.id.au/about.html
Randy � <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <snip ratbaggery>
>
> On Sat, 10/03/09, at 6:08:47PM,
> In Group: alt.christnet.christianlife
> Article: <4ac7d97f$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>
> I <me@home000000000000124> wrote:
> *****************************************************************
> You can't know for sure what is NOT an error in the bible.
> *****************************************************************
>
> The dolt attacks the source by which he knows Christ, insists he
can't be sure what is not an error in that source, then claims to trust
the same Christ that source proclaimed to him? Self-evident,
self-contradiction!
>
>
I <me@home000000000000531> wrote:
> "Randy � Young" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snip ratbaggery>
>
"So [Jesus] came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And as his
custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up
to read. And he has handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when he
had opened the book, he found the place where it was written:" [Luke
4:16-17]
"...A spirit of prophecy before the LORD God is upon me, because the
LORD has exalted me to announce good tidings to the poor; he has sent me
to strengthen the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, to
those who are bound, be revealed to light; to proclaim the year of
pleasure before the LORD, and the day of vengeance before our God; to
comfort all those who mourn; to confuse those who mourn in Zion--to give
them a diadem instead of ashes, oil of joy instead of mourning, a
praising spirit instead of their spirit which is dejected; that they may
call them true princes, the people of the LORD, that he maybe
glorified." [Isaiah 61:1-3]
It seems to me that Jesus read the Bible and claimed to be the norm of
the Bible as recorded in the New Testament.
> #########################################################
> Christ does not read the Bible, the New Testament, or the Gospel. He
is the
> norm of the Bible, the criterion of the New Testament, the incarnation
of
> the Gospel. ... The person, not the book, and the life, not the text,
are
> decisive and constitutive for us.
>
> - John Dominic Crossan "God & Empire: Jesus against Rome, then and
now,"
> (HarperOne:2007) p. 95
> ########################################################
Nous: #78
Time:
Date:
Torah: #8 #5 #6 %81 = #19
Dao: Recognizing Fidelity, Trust in Faith
Tetra: #47 - Pattern
I-Ching: H59 - Dispersal
Latin: Requies {God good in himself} Alt: Momyah {Blemish of God} {
1. TO OBTAIN GRACE
2. THE EXILED, FUGITIVE & CONDEMNED PRISONERS
3. AGAINST THIEVES AND MURDERERS
4. Thuimis
}
Perez {Divided}
Strata Super (male): #531
77 #77 Natural Guide, Heaven's Reason
140 #63 Origins in Reversal, Consider Beginnings
209 #69 Profound Use, Function of the Mysterious
277 #68 Coinciding with Nature, Complying With Heaven
349 #72 Self-Love, Holding Oneself Dear
421 #72 Self-Love, Holding Oneself Dear
490 #69 Profound Use, Function of the Mysterious
491 #1 To Guide with Names, Reason's Realisation
531 #40 Reversal, Avoiding Activity
6 Categories
#20, #70, #30, #1, #200, #10, #50 kolasis - punishment 1, torment 1; 2
#50, #400, #50, #1, #30 Nethane'l - Nethaneel 14; 14 Nethaneel =
'given of God'
#1, #30, #50, #400, #50 'Elnathan - Elnathan 7; 7 Elnathan = 'God has
given'
#2, #8, #9, #500, #1, #3, #8 Bethphage - Bethphage 3; 3 Bethphage =
house of unripe figs
#20, #400, #100, #10, #1 Kuria - lady 2; 2
#6, #1, #30, #400, #100, #5 'Elteqe - Eltekeh 2; 2 Eltekeh = 'let God
spew thee out'
#531 English Words: accommodation; aesthetic; antitank; awl;
bronchitis; certificate; chinstrap; christening; diminuendo;
embroilment; full-blooded; heartbroken; hibiscus; igneous; insistence;
intimidated; irregardless; kindergarten; law; leaver; machinations;
marauder; patroon; perforated; predictor; prejudicial; reveal; shucks;
smarts; streamer; subjoin; telepathic; time-honored
Begin
Pater noster, qui es in caelis, Sanctificetur nomen tuum. Adveniat regnum
tuum. Fiat voluntas tua, sicut in coelo et in terra.
Panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie. Et dimitte nobis debita nostra,
sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. Et ne nos inducas in
tentationem: Sed libera nos a malo. Amen.
Start
Our Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we
forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation:
But deliver us from evil. Amen.
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
>
> "Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:R96dneCIYfnWsGHX...@giganews.com...
> : On Thu, 11/12/09, at 9:27:46AM,
> : Jude Alexander <Onec...@swampland.net> wrote:
> :
> : > "Randy �"<pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> :
> : Why are you asking that question? To try and undermine the
> : Bible. You again illustrate the point. You are a fraud if you
> : and discredit. Just admit you are not a christian, but that you
> : are out to attack and destroy faith in the God and Christ of the
> : Bible.
>
>
> According to your best understanding, is slavery inherently moral or
> immoral. A simple answer will do. :)
>
> We ALL know that you're trying to avoid answering.
>
> I'll answer for you. IF you believe COMPLETELY in all that the biblical
> writers had to say how God spoke to them, gave them laws and instructions,
> then YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES ---- SLAVERY IS MORAL!!!
>
> Thank you for showing how FundaMENTALists bend over backwards to defend
> and
> proclaim to all the word the truth of the bible, which includes the
> God-willed and God sanctified slavery of one person owning others and
> fathers selling their daughters into slavery!
What's all the trouble here?
God approves of slavery and His children owning them, so what is all the
fuss about?
__
Veff...
Randy ®
I <me@home000000000000531> wrote:
>>> Is slavery inherently immoral?
>> >
>> > Why are you asking that question? To try and undermine the Bible.
> The BIBLE CONDONES SLAVERY in both the Old and New Testament.
In claiming you can't know what is not an error in the Bible, and
constantly attacking that source as you do, you undermine any
basis for claiming you have faith in the God that source
proclaims. You are thus not here to promote faith in the God of
the Bible, but to attack and destroy faith in the God of that Bible.
Jude Alexander
:
: "Jude Alexander" <Onec...@swampland.net> wrote in message
: news:hdhg2b$toc$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
: >
: > "Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
: > news:R96dneCIYfnWsGHX...@giganews.com...
: > : On Thu, 11/12/09, at 9:27:46AM,
: > : Jude Alexander <Onec...@swampland.net> wrote:
: > :
Thank you for telling the world (acknowledging the truth of what the bible
really says) is that not only APPROVES of slavery, that the "God" of the
bible instituted it, sanctioned it and gave rules for it and even the rules
had a double standard, one for Jews and one for non-Jews (and yet "God" is
not a respecter of persons!) BWAHAHA
ONLY delusional and pathetic souls can continue to believe in the inerrancy
of the O.T., N.T. or Koran as anything coming from a great and loving God.
Randy ®
Jude Alexander <Onec...@swampland.net> wrote:
> : What's all the trouble here?
> : God approves of slavery and His children owning them, so what is all the
> : fuss about?
>
> Thank you for telling the world (acknowledging the truth of what the bible
> really says) is that not only APPROVES of slavery, that the "God" of the
> bible instituted it, sanctioned it and gave rules for it and even the rules
> had a double standard, one for Jews and one for non-Jews (and yet "God" is
> not a respecter of persons!) BWAHAHA
Thank you for telling the world you do not believe in the God of
the Bible, and are trying to undermine people's faith in that God.
Jude Alexander
: On Thu, 11/12/09, at 2:42:42PM,
: Jude Alexander <Onec...@swampland.net> wrote:
:
: > : What's all the trouble here?
: > : God approves of slavery and His children owning them, so what is all
the
: > : fuss about?
: >
: > Thank you for telling the world (acknowledging the truth of what the
bible
: > really says) is that not only APPROVES of slavery, that the "God" of the
: > bible instituted it, sanctioned it and gave rules for it and even the
rules
: > had a double standard, one for Jews and one for non-Jews (and yet "God"
is
: > not a respecter of persons!) BWAHAHA
:
:
: Thank you for telling the world you do not believe in the God of
: the Bible, and are trying to undermine people's faith in that God.
Hey, twitter boy, I believe in the Creator of all things. Maybe or maybe
not some of the people of the bible believed in him as well. How can I know
such a thing. All I know is that God didn't author the book because God
doesn't create confusion and errors.
dolf
A. "The whole notion of Torah as the giving of the 10 Commandments was
that Israel had sovereignty, in being redeemed and led out of the
furnace of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery." [Exodus 20:2]
dolf
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist wrote:
>
> "Jude Alexander" <Onec...@swampland.net> wrote in message
> news:hdhg2b$toc$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Thank you for showing how FundaMENTALists bend over backwards to defend
dolf
(derived by computation) used by Mark Tindall under the name I, the
biblical narrative quoted from Luke 4:16-17 and Isaiah 61:1-3; 6-8 in
reply to one of his erroneous assertions all seems to have a correlation.
This is not the first time where I have observed this extra-ordinary
paranormal sanctification between what the persona Mark Tindall is
posting under and the computational categories I have devised. I also
had a friend come by and tell me the time they observed in their dream
which they had while napping on my couch--I was able from the same the
mathematical model, to tell them something of the character of the dream.
Mark and myself both respond to Randy Young with these minor miracles of
text so as to dissuade him from his destructive proof text posting and
assertions of absolutes: "...But you shall be called priests of the
LORD, men shall speak of you as those who minister before our God; you
shall eat the possessions of the Gentiles, and in their glory you shall
be indulged.
Instead of your being ashamed and confounded, two for one the benefits I
promised you I will bring to you, and the Gentiles will be ashamed who
were boasting in their lot; therefore in their land they shall possess
two for one: theirs shall be everlasting joy. For I the LORD love
judgment, despised before me are deceit and oppression: I will in truth
give them a reward of their deeds, and I will make an eternal covenant
with them." [Aramaic Targum of Isaiah 61: 6-8]
Nous: #51
Time: 16:50 hrs
Date: 2009.12.5
Torah: #6 #6 #30 %81 = #42
Dao: Natural Guides and Nursing Virtuosity
Tetra: #69 - Exhaustion
I-Ching: H47 - Exhaustion
Latin: Exauditor {Dominating King} Alt: Loyah {Desire of God} {
1. HELPS DESTROY ENEMIES & FREES FROM SLAVERY
2. PEACE
3. PROSPERITY OF EMPIRES & STRENGTHENS A KING'S POWER
4. Stochene
}
Hezekiah {Strength of the Lord}
Jude Alexander (Onec...@swampland.net): "Randy, Tell everybody why you
don't fight for slavery?"
Mark [I] Tindall (me@home525): "C'mon, Randy! Tell us all why you DON'T
fight for biblical slavery to be re-instated. The BIBLE CONDONES SLAVERY
in both the Old and New Testament. WHY AREN'T YOU PETITIONING THE
LAWMAKERS TO DECRIMINALISE SLAVERY BECAUSE SLAVERY IS CONDONED IN "GOD'S
WORD"?????"
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "You're still pretending
to believe in a God called "Yahweh", who has a Son called "Jesus", while
you insist you can't know if anything the Bible says is not an error?"
Mark [I] Tindall (me@home525): "I don't pretend. I DO believe In Yahweh
- the Exclusive One God whom Jesus worshiped and whom Jesus told us to
worship .... WHY aren't YOU following JESUS' GREATEST COMMANDMENTS?????"
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist (broadb...@ntlworld.com):
"What's all the trouble here? God approves of slavery and His children
owning them, so what is all the fuss about?"
(ru) dolf: "The whole notion of Torah as the giving of the 10
Commandments was that Israel had sovereignty, in being redeemed and led
out from the house of slavery as the furnace which was the
religious/political system in the land of Egypt. [Exodus 20:2]"
Mark [I] Tindall (me@home124): "You can't know for sure what is NOT an
error in the bible."
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "Based on a source you
insist you can't know what is not an error in? Or are you referring to
some other source that identifies a God called Yahweh, who has a Son
named Jesus? <chuckle>"
In My Father's House (hso...@hotmail.com): "Yes Mark let us know that
he believes in Yahweh years ago. Try to keep up. And yes we do have to
live within the confines of what is. Sure it would be nice is things
were different but they are not. So we do the best we can. However
knowledge dispels faith. If you knew the things you think you know you
would have no faith about them."
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "The dolt attacks the
source by which he knows Christ, insists he can't be sure what is not an
error in that source, then claims to trust the same Christ that source
proclaimed to him? Self-evident, self-contradiction!"
Jude Alexander (Onec...@swampland.net): "Randy, tell us why
Fundamentalist Christians don't stand up for the re-institution of
slavery. It is God commanded, God sanctioned and regulated in the bible!
Please, we're waiting!"
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist (broadb...@ntlworld.com): "I
don't avoid it Jude......{;o;}"
Jude Alexander (Onec...@swampland.net): "Then tell me if slavery is
inherently immoral or not."
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist (broadb...@ntlworld.com): "No!
it is not immoral, before God, neither is it wrong in God's opinion for
His children to own slaves, and that is the only opinion that matters,
but homosexual fornication is, indeed it is an "Abomination" [ Hateful &
Disgusting ] before Almighty God."
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "You're illustrating the
point. You don't believe in a God you heard about from a source you
labor to discredit and undermine every single day. You're frauds."
Jude Alexander (Onec...@swampland.net): "Re-read what you just typed
and apply it to yourself. Many of us have answered your questions, some
of which several times. NOW ANSWER ONE QUESTION: Is slavery inherently
immoral?"
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "Why are you asking that
question? To try and undermine the Bible. You again illustrate the
point. You are a fraud if you claim to believe in a God from a source
you labor to undermine and discredit. Just admit
(ru) dolf: "Its actually a misunderstanding of the religious mystery
cults, sacred prostitution and the need to maintain survival of the
autonomic right, given that Judaeo-Christian identity was familiar to
Caesar's household who also embraced the gods of Egypt.
Just as the Christian Gospel was known to the Praetorian Guard, so too
as body guards, they would have been aware of Caesar's homosexual
nepotism: "Now I would have you know, brethren, that the things which
happened unto me have fallen out rather unto the progress of the gospel;
so that my bonds became manifest in Christ throughout the whole
praetorian guard, and to all the rest; and that most of the brethren in
the Lord, being confident through my bonds, are more abundantly bold to
speak the word of God without fear." [Philippians 1:12-14]
To avoid any possibility of nepotism, the Apostle Paul limits his
bestowal of deified prerogative: "I thank God that I baptized none of
you, save Crispus and Gaius; lest any man should say that ye were
baptized into my name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas:
besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. For Christ sent me not
to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not in wisdom of words, lest the
cross of Christ should be made void." [1 Corinthians 1:14-17 (ASV)]
The notion advanced is one of compliance given to Roman
Imperial/Religious governance--The Apostle Paul has baptized a prominent
Roman Citizen. And yet the preaching of Christ appeared to some Jews to
be "...contrary-APENANTI to the decrees-DOGMA of Caesar {ie. as Pontifex
Maximus being the anthropocentric manifest of Divinity}, saying-LEGO
that there is another-HETEROS king-BASILEIA, one Jesus-IESOUS {He is
saved; Jehovah is salvation; a deliver}." [Acts 17:7]
Repeating oneself is getting tiresome."
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "How do you think daily
persistence in trying to undermine the Bible, somehow fails to advertise
the fact you, Mark, and House are frauds for pretending to believe in or
follow the God of that Bible?"
Jude Alexander (Onec...@swampland.net): "Thank you for showing how
FundaMENTALists bend over backwards to defend and proclaim to all the
word the truth of the bible, which includes the God-willed and God
sanctified slavery of one person owning others and fathers selling their
daughters into slavery!"
Mark [I] Tindall (me@home124): "Christ does not read the Bible, the New
Testament, or the Gospel. He is the norm of the Bible, the criterion of
the New Testament, the incarnation of the Gospel. ... The person, not
the book, and the life, not the text, are decisive and constitutive for
us. [John Dominic Crossan "God & Empire: Jesus against Rome, then and
now" (HarperOne:2007) p. 95]"
you are not a christian, but that you are out to attack and destroy
faith in the God and Christ of the Bible."
(ru) dolf: "It seems to me that Jesus read the Bible and claimed to be
the norm of the Bible as recorded in the New Testament: "So [Jesus] came
to Nazareth {separated; crowned; sanctified}, where he had been brought
up. And as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath
day, and stood up to read. And he has handed the book of the prophet
Isaiah. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was
written: [Luke 4:16-17]
...A spirit of prophecy before the LORD God is upon me, because the LORD
has exalted me to announce good tidings to the poor; he has sent me to
strengthen the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, to
those who are bound, be revealed to light; to proclaim the year of
pleasure before the LORD, and the day of vengeance before our God; to
comfort all those who mourn; to confuse those who mourn in Zion--to give
them a diadem instead of ashes, oil of joy instead of mourning, a
praising spirit instead of their spirit which is dejected; that they may
call them true princes, the people of the LORD, that he maybe
glorified." [Aramaic Targum of Isaiah 61:1-3]
According to Rabbi Dovid Rosenfeld, Maimonides (Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon
1135-1204 CE) writes in (Law 6): "Whoever's heart impels him to fulfill
this mitzvah properly and to be crowned with the crown of Torah may not
interrupt his mind with other matters. He should not imagine that he
will acquire Torah together with wealth and honor." In Law 8: "One
should lessen his worldly activities and study Torah." Law 12: "The
words of Torah do not remain with someone who is lax about them. Nor do
they remain with those who study while pampering themselves or
[enjoying] food and drink. They remain only with one who kills himself
for it, who constantly exerts himself, and who does not give sleep to
his eyes nor slumber to his eyelids." Law 13: "He who wants to merit the
crown of Torah must be careful with all his nights not to waste a single
one with sleep, food, drink, idle chatter, and the like, rather with the
study of Torah and words of wisdom."
If a person studies in the manner described by Maimonides, he earns the
crown of Torah. What is different about this person? He has devoted
himself wholly to the Torah, body and soul. It is not just a subject he
studies, even studies well. It is his life pursuit. He puts aside all
other interests and activities, even justifiable ones, in his search for
the Torah and for G-d.
Such devotion is not required of us all. Every Jew must study -- at
least a little bit each day, as Maimonides writes in Chapter 1, but he
may pursue a career, enjoy other interests, take vacations, and live
"normal" lives. This is how most of us live and is perfectly acceptable
within the bounds of Jewish law. One who does so serves G-d properly,
even admirably. And he fully fulfills the mitzvah of Torah study. But he
does not earn the crown.
What is a crown? It is an object which serves no utilitarian purpose. It
*does* nothing, yet universally, kings and queens wear it, while
non-royalty virtually never do. A crown represents that its bearer
completely identifies with his mission. A king does not only rule. He
identifies with and becomes one with the state. He is so bound to his
country that it becomes his life and sole identity. He *is* the state,
so much so that his essential self -- his head -- is crowned with the
symbol of his calling.
So too with the Torah scholar. One whose sole purpose of existence is to
study, to understand, and to spread Torah wears the crown of Torah. It
is not an activity of his; it is his life work. And in assuming this
mission and unswervingly dedicating himself to it, he becomes the
embodiment of the Torah and all it represents.
(Possibly for this reason there were times in our history in which it
was customary for a bride and groom to don crowns as part of their
wedding regalia (see Mishna Sotah 9:14). In wearing crowns they
symbolize that they are not only celebrating a joyous occasion, but they
are devoting their essences, wholly giving themselves over to a new
relationship and level of existence. They no longer exist as separate
individuals. They merge into a new, indivisible unit known as a Jewish
home. Towards this end they dedicate and give themselves over, body and
soul.)
Nous: #78
Time:
Date:
Torah: #8 #5 #6 %81 = #19
Dao: Recognizing Fidelity, Trust in Faith
Tetra: #47 - Pattern
I-Ching: H59 - Dispersal
Latin: Requies {God good in himself} Alt: Momyah {Blemish of God} {
1. TO OBTAIN GRACE
2. THE EXILED, FUGITIVE & CONDEMNED PRISONERS
3. AGAINST THIEVES AND MURDERERS
4. Thuimis
}
Perez {Divided}
Extending the metaphor of a crown a bit further, the true Torah scholar
cannot skip a single night in his pursuit. If a crown would be missing a
single jewel, it would be no crown. A crown's beauty is not in its
functionality but in its perfection. It must be whole and complete --
just as the Torah scholar's dedication must be complete and unswerving.
Something would just be missing if the scholar takes off a single night
to watch a game. If his devotion to Torah is divided, he may be a
wonderful and devoted Jew: how many of us take off only an occasional
evening for our diversions? But his crown is no longer whole. A table
which is a little wobbly is still basically functional, but a dented
crown is worse than useless.
Our mishna concludes that the crown of a good name is superior to the
other crowns, or more literally "goes up above them." As we observed and
the commentators note, this cannot be a separate crown but one which
enhances the other three. I.e., the other three crowns are only truly
becoming if they carry with them a good name. What exactly is a "good
name" and why is it so imperative for one who possesses a crown?
The answer is that if I identify so wholly with my mission, I must have
a good "name" as well. Identifying *too* strongly with a cause can be a
dangerous thing. Is my calling an obsession, a fanaticism I am committed
to against all rationality and common sense? Such a person will be
devoted to the Torah so utterly as to be to the detriment of everyone
and everything around him. It is easy -- in fact tempting -- to turn
ironclad commitment into a barrier between myself and mankind. All I
care is about "it", say about getting my studies done -- and the fact
that "its" purpose is ultimately to love G-d and mankind is somehow
forgotten along the way. A cause easily assumes a life of its own, and
my intense devotion to it may cause me to lose all sense of what it's
truly all about.
Thus, a crown must reflect positively on its bearer. The true Torah
scholar must not only diligently study; he must transform himself into a
being loved and admired by others as well. Or to state it differently,
he must not only reflect the wisdom of Torah; he must reflect its beauty
as well. I'll conclude with a relevant (paraphrased) passage from the
Talmud (Yoma 86a), since it says it far better than I could: One who
studies Torah and deals gently with others, what do people say about
him? "Fortunate is his father who taught him Torah! Fortunate is his
teacher who taught him Torah! Woe to those who do not study Torah! This
one to whom they have taught Torah, see how beautiful are his ways!"
[(c) 2009 By Rabbi Dovid Rosenfeld, Pirkei Avos, "The Crown of Torah
Chapter 4, Mishna 17, Project Genesis 2009.11.12]
- dolf
- http://www.grapple.id.au/
dolf
The days of your proof text obsessive compulsive disordered 'christian'
evangelism on the Internet are now numbered. As we can now associate
STRONGS numbering to all our Categories of Understanding as the basis
for our own religious belief, your circumlocution is now rendered
ineffectual by our technological achievement. Your offensive dogmas
about our not regarding Yahweh and his son Jesus of Nazareth is rendered
a lie--whoever has the father has the son.
Do us all a favour and if you can't shut your dammed mouth, think
carefully before you proffer an uninformed opinion again. This is being
sent directly to your pulpi...@gmail.com email address to ensure that
you receive it.
If you wish to take a look at our achievement, this post with the
embedded technology of the bible is available at this URL...
- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/crown.html
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "You're illustrating the
point. You don't believe in a God you heard about from a source you
labor to discredit and undermine every single day. You're frauds."
Jude Alexander (Onec...@swampland.net): "Re-read what you just typed
and apply it to yourself. Many of us have answered your questions, some
of which several times. NOW ANSWER ONE QUESTION: Is slavery inherently
immoral?"
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "Why are you asking that
question? To try and undermine the Bible. You again illustrate the
point. You are a fraud if you claim to believe in a God from a source
you labor to undermine and discredit."
(ru) dolf: "Its actually a misunderstanding of the religious mystery
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "How do you think daily
persistence in trying to undermine the Bible, somehow fails to advertise
the fact you, Mark, and House are frauds for pretending to believe in or
follow the God of that Bible?"
Jude Alexander (Onec...@swampland.net): "Thank you for showing how
FundaMENTALists bend over backwards to defend and proclaim to all the
word the truth of the bible, which includes the God-willed and God
sanctified slavery of one person owning others and fathers selling their
daughters into slavery!"
Mark [I] Tindall (me@home124): "Christ does not read the Bible, the New
Testament, or the Gospel. He is the norm of the Bible, the criterion of
the New Testament, the incarnation of the Gospel. ... The person, not
the book, and the life, not the text, are decisive and constitutive for
us. [John Dominic Crossan "God & Empire: Jesus against Rome, then and
now" (HarperOne:2007) p. 95]"
Randy � [Sody] Barbara (pulpi...@gmail.com): "Just admit you are not a
christian, but that you are out to attack and destroy faith in the God
and Christ of the Bible."
(ru) dolf: "It seems to me that Jesus read the Bible and claimed to be
I
The BIBLE CONDONES SLAVERY in both the Old and New Testament.
WHY AREN'T FUNDAMENTALISTS PETITIONING THE LAWMAKERS TO DECRIMINALISE
Steve Hayes
>Randy Young luvs his Bible
Just what the entire Christian world is dying to know.
We all want to read about Randy You, so there is not one, but NINE (countem)
new threads posted on the subject of Randy Yo0ung.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://khanya.wordpress.com
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
The instruments of the churl are evil: he deviseth
wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words,
even when the needy speaketh right.
But the liberal deviseth liberal things;
and by liberal things shall he stand (Isaiah 32:7-8).
James
Hello,
Actually, the Bible's slavery is quite different from what we moderns
perceive as slavery.
For example, under certain conditions it is desirable to be a slave.
Ro 6:22,
"But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves
to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is
eternal life." (NIV)
Under the Mosaic Law, Israelites who became poor could sell themselves
into slavery in order to get out of debt. It was thus voluntary
servitude. There also were many laws governing the treatment and
rights of slaves, whether they were Israelite or non Israelite slaves.
(for example, see 21st Chapter of Exodus)
Also, a Hebrew slave was to be released from that obligation in the
seventh year of his servitude or in the Jubilee year, whichever came
first. During the time of his servitude the Hebrew slave was to be
treated as a hired laborer. (Ex 21:2; Le 25:10; De 15:12)
(some of the above taken from "Insight On The Scriptures")
During Christ's time, the Roman government permitted slavery. Since
Christians back then (as well as today) are to obey the governments
they find themselves under, (unless they tell them to do something
unscriptural) a Christian living within the jurisdiction of Rome could
own a slave. (Ro 13:1; Ac 5:29)
The "International Standard Bible Encyclopedia" comments about the
Roman period: "Large numbers of people sold themselves into slavery
for various reasons, above all to enter a life that was easier and
more secure than existence as a poor, freeborn person, to obtain
special jobs, and to climb socially. . . . Many non-Romans sold
themselves to Roman citizens with the justified expectation, carefully
regulated by Roman law, of becoming Roman citizens themselves when
manumitted [set free]."
These are historical facts. Research them yourself.
Thus the Bible's mention of slavery has very little to do with the
modern's idea of 'slavery'.
Sincerely, James
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