Homosexuality is a stench in the nostrils of God. Is it in yours, too?
Ted L
Notes, December 31, 2010, www.wayoflife.org fb...@wayoflife.org,
866-295-4143) - The following is from Christian Newswire, Dec. 19,
2010: “After delivering 205,000 fax petitions to Congress against open
homosexual service in the military, Chaplain Gordon James
Klingenschmitt had this to say about the Senate's 65-31 vote to force
open homosexual aggression upon our troops by repealing ‘Don’t Ask,
Don’t Tell’: ‘A chaplain friend of mine asked God this week, 'why do
you allow evil to grow in America, and open homosexuality to be forced
upon our military?' To which God answered him from Psalm 92:7: 'When
the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity
do flourish; it is so that they shall be destroyed forever.’
Homosexual sin will always be a stench in the nostrils of Almighty
God, an abomination which God condemns and shall punish with
everlasting destruction. Even if the Senate had voted 100 to 0 to
legalize sin, they could not remove God from His throne of Judgment,
before which every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus
Christ is Lord.”
Jude
motion?
r m
> HOMOSEXUALITY A STENCH IN THE NOSTRILS OF GOD (Friday Church News
WOL states "God is revealed as three distinct Persons" and that Christ
"... ascended into Heaven ... promis[ing] to return..."
http://www.wayoflife.org/wayoflife/statement.html
Latent with modalism and negates Christ's omnipresence.
r
Peter B.
The principle in Psalm 92:7 is throughout the OT. God is also
longsuffering. Some take it as it doesn't bother Him anymore to their own
destruction. Thanks for reminding us of Gods word and why He waits.
Peter B.
> Is hatred a Christian value and when was this commandment of hate set into
> motion?
Romans 12:9 (King James Version)
9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to
that which is good.
Also mentioned twice in the OT.
But Hate or Abhorring does not mean you get to be Judge Jury and
Executioner. It means to keep it out of your life stay away from it, run
from it or flee from its contamination.
Jude
>> On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 14:04:32 -0600, Jude wrote:
>>
>>> Is hatred a Christian value and when was this commandment of hate
>>> set into motion?
>>
>> Romans 12:9 (King James Version)
>>
>> 9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil;
>> cleave to that which is good.
First of all you and other Fundie-type of believers (I know you deny you're
a Fundie but you believe in complete biblical inerrancy and that alone
defines you as one) only accept that homosexuality is evil by believing so
and you trust the comprehension of religious zealots from anywhere from 2-5K
years ago! There is NO knowledge that homosexual is a sinful choice, in
fact, there is absolute REASONABLE indication that it is a orientation that
isn't chosen. Second, let's just say it is evil for a point. There is
nothing to suggest that anybody should abhor any person or make it as if a
particular kind of sinner is a stench in the nostrils of men and God vs.
another. This is the kind of verbage used by bullies from your common
school bullies to the ultimate Nazi type bullies, diminishing people to the
degree of calling them "stench." This type of behavior is CLEARLY an
expression on human level and has NOTHING whatsoever to do with God, the
love of God or the love of anything but hatred and disgust by somebodyelse's
sexuality that isn't like your own.
Sensii
Sensi:
The *thoughts* centered around the idea are probably worse than the
homosexual themselves.
Back in the day black men were not allowed to fight for America.
Thank God Bible verses from then to now have a different interpretation.
It took awhile but rarely do men use those verses like they did back
then. We can only hope that all men are well equipped mentally to be
fruitful and multiply good will and peace on earth without having to
think about sex standing in their way.
I rather think the object is not about sexual tendencies but about mind
tendencies that can cause more harm to people in the long run.
Never lose an opportunity of seeing anything that
is beautiful, for beauty is God's handwriting--
a wayside sacrament. Welcome it in every fair face,
in every fair sky, in every fair flower,
and thank God for it as a cup of blessing.
- Ralph Waldo Emerson
Peter B.
> Peter B. wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 14:04:32 -0600, Jude wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is hatred a Christian value and when was this commandment of hate
>>>> set into motion?
>>>
>>> Romans 12:9 (King James Version)
>>>
>>> 9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil;
>>> cleave to that which is good.
>
> First of all you and other Fundie-type of believers (I know you deny you're
> a Fundie but you believe in complete biblical inerrancy and that alone
> defines you as one) only accept that homosexuality is evil by believing so
> and you trust the comprehension of religious zealots from anywhere from 2-5K
> years ago! There is NO knowledge that homosexual is a sinful choice, in
> fact, there is absolute REASONABLE indication that it is a orientation that
> isn't chosen. Second, let's just say it is evil for a point. There is
> nothing to suggest that anybody should abhor any person or make it as if a
> particular kind of sinner is a stench in the nostrils of men and God vs.
> another. This is the kind of verbage used by bullies from your common
> school bullies to the ultimate Nazi type bullies, diminishing people to the
> degree of calling them "stench." This type of behavior is CLEARLY an
> expression on human level and has NOTHING whatsoever to do with God, the
> love of God or the love of anything but hatred and disgust by somebodyelse's
> sexuality that isn't like your own.
>
It is the act God who created them despises. If someone calls themselves
one but never acts upon it they are not condemned.
I have no option in this, you and every other person can rail on me all
they want, it is to no affect. I am not judge, nor jury, nor executioner.
Gods word has been established for eons.
I am not God. But if it makes you feel better somehow to rail against me
that is your choice. When you get done Gods word remains with or without
me.
If you cannot make a distinction between "My Kind" and the Philips or
whoever it is' kind then it shows unreasoned prejudice on your part.
When asked what does God say, I will answer to the best of my ability, I
bear no ill will.
the salad
> HOMOSEXUALITY A STENCH IN THE NOSTRILS OF GOD (Friday Church News
> 866-295-4143) - The following is from Christian Newswire, Dec. 19,
> 2010: “After delivering 205,000 fax petitions to Congress against open
> homosexual service in the military, Chaplain Gordon James
> Klingenschmitt had this to say about the Senate's 65-31 vote to force
> open homosexual aggression upon our troops by repealing ‘Don’t Ask,
> Don’t Tell’:
Actually it doesn't force homosexual aggression on anybody. It just
prevents people from losing their carrers for being or suspected of
being gay.
> ‘A chaplain friend of mine asked God this week, 'why do
> you allow evil to grow in America, and open homosexuality to be forced
> upon our military?'
You cannot establish that homosexuality is evil. You can only show
that men wrote religious texts condemning homosexuality.
> To which God answered him from Psalm 92:7: 'When
> the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity
> do flourish; it is so that they shall be destroyed forever.’
Well if that is the case then you don't need to do anything about it
then do you?
> Homosexual sin will always be a stench in the nostrils of Almighty
> God, an abomination which God condemns and shall punish with
> everlasting destruction.
Then why did God create homosexuals? Why are there homosexual
animals? Are gay chimps an abomination to God? If so then why do
they exist?
> Even if the Senate had voted 100 to 0 to
> legalize sin, they could not remove God from His throne of Judgment,
> before which every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus
> Christ is Lord.”
The Senate doesn't vote anything regarding God or spirituality. The
Senate only votes regarding the laws and treaties and apointments of
the US.
Peter B.
> We can only hope that all men are well equipped mentally to be
> fruitful and multiply good will and peace on earth without having to
> think about sex standing in their way.
Dear, without the proper use of sex there will be no multiplying unless one
uses their calculator.
Jude
This isn't knowledge, Peter. It's what you believe. Faith is NOT KNOWLEDGE
and I'm not railing against you in particular. It's exasperating, though,
that people can't acknowledge the difference between faith and knowledge.
Sensii
Sensi:
I was speaking of being fruitful and multiplying the needs of the
*soul.* Little seeds of faith in certain things productive for the soul
like fruit of the Spirit,behaviors,etc. You know a little seed here, a
little seed there grows in a man...
Peter B.
> It is the act God who created them despises. If someone calls
>>> themselves one but never acts upon it they are not condemned.
>
> This isn't knowledge, Peter. It's what you believe. Faith is NOT KNOWLEDGE
> and I'm not railing against you in particular. It's exasperating, though,
> that people can't acknowledge the difference between faith and knowledge.
Then I am unclear about what you mean "by faith". If you mean that although
I can show you written word in the OT and NT about Gods comment on Man
lying with man as if a woman or similar. That it isn't knowledge I have
but faith?
If so then on your terms you would be correct. On my understanding it is
knowledge due to my relationship and experiences with the God of the Bible
that makes it real.
I would still understand your frustrations either way because of those that
call themselves Christian but know the man in the moon better than they
know God.
THE LORD
> Then I am unclear about what you mean "by faith".
Faith is not believing a man-made bible.
Jude
>> On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:15:27 -0600, Jude wrote:
>>
>>> It is the act God who created them despises. If someone calls
>>>>> themselves one but never acts upon it they are not condemned.
>>>
>>> This isn't knowledge, Peter. It's what you believe. Faith is NOT
>>> KNOWLEDGE and I'm not railing against you in particular. It's
>>> exasperating, though, that people can't acknowledge the difference
>>> between faith and knowledge.
>>
>> Then I am unclear about what you mean "by faith". If you mean that
>> although I can show you written word in the OT and NT about Gods
>> comment on Man lying with man as if a woman or similar. That it
>> isn't knowledge I have but faith?
>>
>> If so then on your terms you would be correct. On my understanding
>> it is knowledge due to my relationship and experiences with the God
>> of the Bible that makes it real.
Right, you got my definition correct.
>>
>> I would still understand your frustrations either way because of
>> those that call themselves Christian but know the man in the moon
>> better than they know God.
Understood. However, just because you have had religious experiences
doesn't mean you just jump to the conlcusion that all that you believe is
correct. I have to do the same and I have had religious experiences as
well. Having religious experiences isn't a guarantee that all of our
beliefs are correct. We can do our best to be open to the truth no matter
where it leads even if it makes us uncomfortable and challenges our present
stance on a issue.
Andrew W
F.Y.I we already have too much multiplying. The world is overpopulated, and
there have been homosexual people here for ages.
You don't have to be scared that we'll become extinct.
Peter B.
I am not scared of anything, least of all that.
Andrew W
> On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:15:27 -0600, Jude wrote:
>
>> It is the act God who created them despises. If someone calls
>>>> themselves one but never acts upon it they are not condemned.
>>
>> This isn't knowledge, Peter. It's what you believe. Faith is NOT
>> KNOWLEDGE
>> and I'm not railing against you in particular. It's exasperating,
>> though,
>> that people can't acknowledge the difference between faith and knowledge.
>
> Then I am unclear about what you mean "by faith". If you mean that
> although
> I can show you written word in the OT and NT about Gods comment on Man
> lying with man as if a woman or similar. That it isn't knowledge I have
> but faith?
>
Your faith is in your and some other's interpretations of those verses being
more than a simple guidance for how life could be better lived.
And your faith is also in a particular sector of Christianity's beliefs that
those verses were authored by the Creator of the universe and not just
simply being societal guidelines or laws by the authorities of the time.
The problem with zealous Christianity is that it doesn't think of these very
likely and down to earth explanations, and when it does it refuses to
consider them.
>
> If so then on your terms you would be correct. On my understanding it is
> knowledge due to my relationship and experiences with the God of the Bible
> that makes it real.
>
The "God of the Bible" is just a version/view of the Creator from the
perspective of some primitive people who understood little about divinity at
the time. We have proof that they understood little about God.
And they could have easily been deceived be negative entities who wanted to
enslave humanity. And the proof for this is that Christianity is very much
about unquestioning submission and obedience to "God".
Andrew W
Then you really have no problem with homosexuals and likely neither does the
Creator.
Andrew W
news:a6a8b5fc-d032-4f3b...@k25g2000vbl.googlegroups.com
> HOMOSEXUALITY A STENCH IN THE NOSTRILS OF GOD (Friday Church News
> Notes, December 31, 2010, www.wayoflife.org fb...@wayoflife.org,
> 866-295-4143) - The following is from Christian Newswire, Dec. 19,
> 2010: “After delivering 205,000 fax petitions to Congress against open
> homosexual service in the military, Chaplain Gordon James
> Klingenschmitt had this to say about the Senate's 65-31 vote to force
> open homosexual aggression upon our troops by repealing ‘Don’t Ask,
> Don’t Tell’: ‘A chaplain friend of mine asked God this week, 'why do
> you allow evil to grow in America, and open homosexuality to be forced
> upon our military?'
>
Is homosexuality really evil? Explain why you and others think it is.
>
> To which God answered him from Psalm 92:7: 'When
> the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity
> do flourish; it is so that they shall be destroyed forever.’
>
How can God answer someone 2000 years before they are born from out of
context Bible verses that were likely just the words of men? Lol.
Nothing in the Christian Bible has ever been verified as the actual dictated
words of the Creator of the universe.
But then strangely, Muslims and every other religious fundy group also
emphatically claims the same about their own religious books. You can't all
be right.
>
> Homosexual sin will always be a stench in the nostrils of Almighty
> God, an abomination which God condemns and shall punish with
> everlasting destruction. Even if the Senate had voted 100 to 0 to
> legalize sin, they could not remove God from His throne of Judgment,
> before which every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus
> Christ is Lord.”
>
This is *your* version of 'God'. Are you so arrogant and ignorant to
believe that your version is the only true one and everybody else's cannot
be?
Peter B.
That might be your problem then.
The God of the Bible that I worship would like us to test the spirits and
see whether they be of God, or not.
No one as yet has been under full submission to God and only Jesus has ever
exercised full obedience to God.
You just slammed everybody from Adam till now with the exception of
yourself.
The primitive people you speak of have accomplished things that we have yet
to accomplish.
Nothing about the NT wishes to enslave anybody.
Peter B.
I don't care for them in general, I have no fear of them nor should I, and
the Creator said that they are disrespecting His creation. It is also not
your problem to be concerned about my feelings.
Ted L
> The principle in Psalm 92:7 is throughout the OT. God is also
> longsuffering. Some take it as it doesn't bother Him anymore to their own
> destruction. Thanks for reminding us of Gods word and why He waits.- Hide quoted text -
Also 2 Peter 2:9, God reserves the unsaved guilty to be punished.
Simply horrifies me to ponder what's in store for these reprobates.
Ted L
There is no USA in the Bible and my eternal country, city, and home
are in the heavenlies. It's sad to see but as a born again child of
God through faith in Jesus Christ, I don't have much to lose and
there's nothing distressing about the worse case scenario to me. But
for you, whatever enemy that comes to antagonize Americans because of
either a weakened military was unable to defend against a foreign
aggression, or because our own government goes tyrannical with martial-
law using a morally bankrupted, anything-goes military, you'll have
lost everything. Maybe it'll be jack-booted atrocities overseas by
the now morally-lawless military bringing return retributions to your
home town. You'll enjoy less abundance of everything you value about
your way of American life. You act like a confused union worker who
stayed proudly and victoriously on a picket line after the company
closes up shop and relocates overseas because of a Union's greedy
demands. Your repugnant ideas became law. Congratulations.
Ted L
> On 1/2/2011 1:49 PM, Ted L wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > HOMOSEXUALITY A STENCH IN THE NOSTRILS OF GOD (Friday Church News
> > 866-295-4143) - The following is from Christian Newswire, Dec. 19,
> > 2010: After delivering 205,000 fax petitions to Congress against open
> > homosexual service in the military, Chaplain Gordon James
> > Klingenschmitt had this to say about the Senate's 65-31 vote to force
> > open homosexual aggression upon our troops by repealing Don t Ask,
> > Don t Tell : A chaplain friend of mine asked God this week, 'why do
> > you allow evil to grow in America, and open homosexuality to be forced
> > upon our military?' To which God answered him from Psalm 92:7: 'When
> > the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity
> > do flourish; it is so that they shall be destroyed forever.
> > Homosexual sin will always be a stench in the nostrils of Almighty
> > God, an abomination which God condemns and shall punish with
> > everlasting destruction. Even if the Senate had voted 100 to 0 to
> > legalize sin, they could not remove God from His throne of Judgment,
> > before which every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus
> > Christ is Lord.
>
> Sensi:
> The *thoughts* centered around the idea are probably worse than the
> homosexual themselves.
> Back in the day black men were not allowed to fight for America.
> Thank God Bible verses from then to now have a different interpretation.
The bible doesn't support racism. The Bible does condemn the
abomination of sodomy, and the abominable who commit it. And He calls
woe on those who call good evil and evil good. You oppose and spite
only yourself in defending the abominable.
Andrew W
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:18:24 +1100, Andrew W wrote:
>
>> "Peter B." <p...@b.org> wrote in message
>> news:1gtt0rakfsmi1$.dlg@4ever.his...
>>
>> verses being more than a simple guidance for how life could be
>> better lived.
>> And your faith is also in a particular sector of Christianity's
>> beliefs that those verses were authored by the Creator of the
>> universe and not just simply being societal guidelines or laws by
>> the authorities of the time. The problem with zealous Christianity
>> is that it doesn't think of these very likely and down to earth
>> explanations, and when it does it refuses to consider them.
>>
>>>
>>> If so then on your terms you would be correct. On my understanding
>>> it is knowledge due to my relationship and experiences with the God
>>> of the Bible that makes it real.
>>>
>>
>> The "God of the Bible" is just a version/view of the Creator from the
>> perspective of some primitive people who understood little about
>> divinity at the time. We have proof that they understood little
>> about God.
>> And they could have easily been deceived be negative entities who
>> wanted to enslave humanity. And the proof for this is that
>> Christianity is very much about unquestioning submission and
>> obedience to "God".
>
> That might be your problem then.
>
Why do you assume that I must be the one with the problem?
>
> The God of the Bible that I worship would like us to test the spirits
> and see whether they be of God, or not.
>
What makes you so sure that the 'God' referred to in your Christian Bible is
really the Creator of the universe?
There are countless Holy books on this planet that depict God.
>
> No one as yet has been under full submission to God and only Jesus
> has ever exercised full obedience to God.
>
What makes you think that our Creator only wants obedience and submission?
Hitler and many other evil ones also wanted the same. That should give you a
big clue. It looks like Christianity is to a fair degree about enslavement
like many other religions and political forces.
>
> You just slammed everybody from Adam till now with the exception of
> yourself.
>
Really? How?
>
> The primitive people you speak of have accomplished things that we
> have yet to accomplish.
>
Yes there were several things they achieved out of necessity.
But they also thought that the earth was flat and the sun and stars revolve
around the earth, and countless other false things.
>
> Nothing about the NT wishes to enslave anybody.
>
You contradict yourself. Above you talk about full submission and obedience
to God.
Sensii
Sensi:
The Bible does support slavery and we know what color was the master and
what color was the slave. ( Ahh racism)
And we know that the masters used the Bible to control the two
different colors as they now use the Bible to control the two different
orientations of man.
I oppose the kind of people who use God to be against the people rather
than for the people. Just because I'm a hetero and white does not
classify me as chosen or a better off person than my neighbor who has
just as much right to enjoy life as I do no matter their color or sexual
orientation. I don't think it's fair that hetero's think God is happy
watching them have sex while he is disgusted watching the other guys.
I don't think sex is all that important to God like it is to man nor was
slavery so important that black people had to be punished by whites for
being black. We've grown since then haven't we? I hope we continue to
grow and accept people for the way they were born to enter into life
here on earth. We can learn from all sides.
Peter B.
Simply to err is bad enough.
the salad
[...]
> But
> for you, whatever enemy that comes to antagonize Americans because of
> either a weakened military was unable to defend against a foreign
> aggression, or because our own government goes tyrannical with martial-
> law using a morally bankrupted, anything-goes military, you'll have
> lost everything.
No world power stays on top forever. We rode the success of WWII and
abundant cheap oil. Those could not last forever.
> Maybe it'll be jack-booted atrocities overseas by
> the now morally-lawless military bringing return retributions to your
> home town.
Certainly those who perpetuate atrocities should answer for them.
Sometimes we even punish our own. However our justice system is far
from ideal.
> You'll enjoy less abundance of everything you value about
> your way of American life.
That has nothing to do with the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell. We've
been in a deep economic depression for years.
> You act like a confused union worker who
> stayed proudly and victoriously on a picket line after the company
> closes up shop and relocates overseas because of a Union's greedy
> demands.
That is a trade issue. Globalization forces US workers to compete for
those who work harder for less compensation.
> Your repugnant ideas became law. Congratulations.
How many nations still persecute homosexuals? How well off are they?
Andrew W
Are you sure it wasn't humans who said that homosexuals are disrespecting
God's creation?
And in fact the scriptures don't actually say anything so explicit or
direct. Its just your interpretation of what they're getting at.
Sensii
Sensi:
This I agree. I recall studying the North American Indians and how they
revered homosexuals as being a special people giving them privileges for
being born as a split spirit meaning they were in between rather than
stuck in a physical body dominated by one strict rule of having to be
male or female. They were often considered to be spiritual advisers and
treated with respect. OF course we wiped out their lives and destroyed
much of their heritage but it's interesting to study the different
cultures and what they believed and how they remained civil to
homosexuals and at least didn't try to change them or boot them out of
the camp.
Peter B.
The Bible is explicit, God is explicit, both are direct. I can see you
studied neither.
Sidney Lambe
> On 1/2/2011 9:31 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>> "Peter B."<p...@b.org> wrote in message news:1j7kb94y...@4ever.his
That isn't true. God obviously approves of homosexuality. Most
mammals and many other creatures exhibit homosexual behavior.
Nature is the _real_ living word of God.
Jesus thought the subject so unimportant that he never mentioned
it.
[delete]
Sid
--
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THE LORD
>> And in fact the scriptures don't actually say anything so explicit or
>> direct. Its just your interpretation of what they're getting at.
>
> The Bible is explicit, God is explicit, both are direct. I can see you
> studied neither.
Peter B is an ignorant homophobic fundamentalist that doesn't understand
that the bible DOESN'T state anything about homosexuality. Jesus NEVER
mentioned homosexuality so it can't be that important.
Furthermore ignorant homophobic Peter B thinks that the bible is God's
literal word dictated to the writers. That is nonsense!
The Bible ...[is] ... a collection of human responses to God (very
human, some of them all too human), which we are at liberty to use in the
process of formulating our own individual, unique response to God. We don't
do that by imitating these responses slavishly. I mean God, if he exists,
doesn't want innumerable clones of the apostle Paul. He wants us to respond
to him, each of us in our own unique way. And we can use the Bible to do
that, but we don't do it by obeying it slavishly and blindly.
- Peter Cameron "Heretic" (Doubleday; Sydney: 1994) p. 195
Sensii
> On alt.religion.christian, Sensii<sensi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 1/2/2011 9:31 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>>> "Peter B."<p...@b.org> wrote in message news:1j7kb94y...@4ever.his
>> Subject: Re: Homosexuality is a stench in the nostrils of God. Is it in yours, too?
>
> That isn't true. God obviously approves of homosexuality. Most
> mammals and many other creatures exhibit homosexual behavior.
>
> Nature is the _real_ living word of God.
>
> Jesus thought the subject so unimportant that he never mentioned
> it.
>
>
> [delete]
>
> Sid
>
>
Sensi:
I would think Jesus would be more interested in the mind and what people
did with that rather than their genitals.
--
Peter B.
> On alt.religion.christian, Sensii <sensi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 1/2/2011 9:31 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>>> "Peter B."<p...@b.org> wrote in message news:1j7kb94y...@4ever.his
>> Subject: Re: Homosexuality is a stench in the nostrils of God. Is it in yours, too?
>
> That isn't true. God obviously approves of homosexuality. Most
> mammals and many other creatures exhibit homosexual behavior.
>
> Nature is the _real_ living word of God.
>
> Jesus thought the subject so unimportant that he never mentioned
> it.
>
> [delete]
>
> Sid
All of nature has been sin contaminated which is why it will all be
destroyed.
THE LORD
> All of nature has been sin contaminated which is why it will all be
> destroyed.
That contradicts Genesis 1, Romans 1 and many Psalms which state that God's
creation is is GOOD.
Paul says that one can know God through this good creation.
Peter B's fundamentalism is plagued with the Contamination Theory whereby
things are contaminated if a fundamentalist doesn't like it or it doesn't
fit into their dogma from the 1800s. Peter B thinks we are contaminated by
using our God-given minds. This is part of Calvin's theory of total
depravity. Jesus never
stated that things could contaminate. Jesus said the opposite that only
ideas and actions could contaminate.
For example ...................
Mark 7:13-16
13 In this way you make God's word ineffective for the sake of your
tradition which you have handed down. And you do many other things like
this.'
14 He called the people to him again and said, 'Listen to me, all of you,
and understand.
15 Nothing that goes into someone from outside can make that person unclean;
it is the things that come out of someone that make that person unclean.
16 Anyone who has ears for listening should listen!'
Sensii
Sensi:
Okay I went and read 2 Peter 2:9 but I didn't go with an idea already
fixed in my mind that it was speaking solely about homosexuals which is
something you are obviously not which then makes it easy for you to
blame/condemn/judge them for something you don't do.
How about looking at you and figuring out something you do that could be
considered about you as doing something unlawful. Are you a righteous
man? And if you were would you be condemning homosexuals?
In verse 9 it says that God knows how to deliver the godly out of
temptations. Are you godly? Can you describe how much more godly you
are than a homosexual who might be just as godly in mind and spirit and
may or may not even have sex.
What is more godly about you than others if you don't mind to answer.
Sensii
Sensi:
Hey, I'm thankful that life offers us the opportunities to learn from.
How else are people to learn if they don't learn from their mistakes?
Life is just as contaminated with the good if you look for good you'll
find it but if you're more a pessimist you'll only look for the bad.
Perhaps the mistakes with be destroyed and the *value* of learning will
be examined as a lesson well learned for each soul.
I hope you take the good and leave the bad and I hope the good outweighs
the bad.
When God created it saw that it was good. Why would he say it was good
and you say it is bad?
--
Sidney Lambe
> On 1/2/2011 10:07 PM, Sidney Lambe wrote:
>
>> On alt.religion.christian, Sensii<sensi...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/2/2011 9:31 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Peter B."<p...@b.org> wrote in message
>>>> news:1j7kb94y...@4ever.his
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: Homosexuality is a stench in the nostrils of
>>> God. Is it in yours, too?
>>
>> That isn't true. God obviously approves of homosexuality. Most
>> mammals and many other creatures exhibit homosexual behavior.
>>
>> Nature is the _real_ living word of God.
>>
>> Jesus thought the subject so unimportant that he never
>> mentioned it.
>>
>>
>> [delete]
>>
>> Sid
>>
>
>
>
> Sensi: I would think Jesus would be more interested in the mind
> and what people did with that rather than their genitals.
Indeed. Well said.
Sidney Lambe
That is simply non-sense. It has no basis in reality.
Other than the reality of a fear-addled and ignorant
human being...
THE LORD
> When God created it saw that it was good. Why would he say it was good and
> you say it is bad?
God declared creation was good repeatedly in Genesis 1.
###########################
Genesis 1 (New International Version, ©2010)
...
4 God saw that the light was GOOD
...
10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called
“seas.” And God saw that it was GOOD.
...
12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their
kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And
God saw that it was GOOD.
...
17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to
govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God
saw that it was GOOD.
...
21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with
which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds,
and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was GOOD.
...
25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock
according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground
according to their kinds. And God saw that it was GOOD.
...
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was VERY GOOD.
########################################
God also placed humans as stewards of this good creation on Earth.
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I Timothy 4:4
For EVERYTHING GOD CREATED IS GOOD and nothing is to be rejected if it is
received with thanksgiving,
################################################
I note that God made both heterosexuals and homosexuals so BOTH are good and
not to be rejected.
Andrew W
news:2qCdnZ0OTJDb1LzQ...@giganews.com...
> On 1/2/2011 9:31 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>> "Peter B."<p...@b.org> wrote in message news:1j7kb94y...@4ever.his
>>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:23:41 +1100, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Then you really have no problem with homosexuals and likely neither
>>>> does the Creator.
>>>
>>> I don't care for them in general, I have no fear of them nor should
>>> I, and the Creator said that they are disrespecting His creation. It
>>> is also not your problem to be concerned about my feelings.
>>>
>>
>> Are you sure it wasn't humans who said that homosexuals are disrespecting
>> God's creation?
>> And in fact the scriptures don't actually say anything so explicit or
>> direct. Its just your interpretation of what they're getting at.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Sensi:
> This I agree. I recall studying the North American Indians and how they
> revered homosexuals as being a special people giving them privileges for
> being born as a split spirit meaning they were in between rather than
> stuck in a physical body dominated by one strict rule of having to be male
> or female. They were often considered to be spiritual advisers and treated
> with respect.
I didn't know that. That's very interesting.
They sound like they were smarter and more considerate than many Christians.
Andrew W
A negativist and a doomist.
Most Christians don't see the world in such a negative way.
But you have to wonder why God would create a world that becomes so sinful
and rotten if he hates sin so much. Did he not see the future?
Or perhaps there's a very good reason why there is negativity in the world,
which would show that Christianity doesn't understand much about God after
all.
THE LORD
>"Peter B." <p...@b.org> wrote:
>> All of nature has been sin contaminated which is why it will all be
>> destroyed.
>
>A negativist and a doomist.
> Most Christians don't see the world in such a negative way.
Exactly!
################################################
I Timothy 4:4
For EVERYTHING GOD CREATED IS GOOD and nothing is to be rejected if it is
received with thanksgiving,
################################################
> But you have to wonder why God would create a world that becomes so sinful
> and rotten if he hates sin so much. Did he not see the future?
> Or perhaps there's a very good reason why there is negativity in the
> world,
> which would show that Christianity doesn't understand much about God after
> all.
The fundamentalism that Peter B follows sees evil in everything including
nature and the mind. It is FEAR driven. John 4:18 says that perfect love
casts out fear. Obviously fundamentalists like Peter B are not perfected in
love.
Andrew W
I have. So have many others who disagree with your type.
I bet you only study the Bible by reading the Bible and making
interpretations. Do you think that qualifies as study?
If the Bible is so explicit and direct then why are there 20,000 or so
Christian sects and denominations all disagreeing with each other on God's
exact will for salvation? No other religion has so many sects. This is proof
of the high interpretability of the Bible.
THE LORD
>> The Bible is explicit, God is explicit, both are direct. I can see you
>> studied neither.
>
>I have. So have many others who disagree with your type.
> I bet you only study the Bible by reading the Bible and making
> interpretations. Do you think that qualifies as study?
> If the Bible is so explicit and direct then why are there 20,000 or so
> Christian sects and denominations all disagreeing with each other on God's
> exact will for salvation?
That's because they are all deluded as only Peter B's fundamentalism can
correctly interpret the bible (literally).
That's why Peter B can say ridiculous things such as ............
####################################
PETER B MIRTH REPORT 2011 - Number 1
...
MIRTH 7
> Did you know that physical body can and does walk through walls?
PROVE it.
You can't. It is a scientific impossibility.
MIRTH 8
> We can do even Greater Works than Jesus did
WONDERFUL! Can you come over to my place and turn all my water into wine?
I could bottle it and make a fortune. Can you help feed my New Year's Eve
party by multiplying our fish and bread? (Have you thought of going to
Africa and feeding the starving people by multiplying their fish and bread?)
What other party tricks can you do?
MIRTH 9
> Which would you rather, be whole and healthy for free, or pay doctors for
> the partial privilege of that. God never put limitations on His power, man
> did. He wants today for us what the early church had yesterday.
WHY are no people with AIDS ever cured by faith?
WHY are no amputees ever given new limbs by faith?
WHY are no people with Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease ever cured by faith?
WHY are no people with Lupus Erythematosus ever cured by faith?
WHY are no people with Polio ever cured by faith?
WHY are no people with Ebola ever cured by faith?
...
MIRTH 17
> The medical system is humanist.
Illustrated at
http://fundamentalistfunhouse.blogspot.com/2007/06/sick-creationist.html
DOCTOR: ... I need to know whether you want me to treat the TB bug as it was
before antibiotics or as a multiple drug resistant strain it has since
evolved into.
PATIENT: Evolved?
DOCTOR: Your choice. If you go with the Noah's ark version, I'll just give
you streptomycin.
PATIENT: Um ... What are the newer drugs like?
DOCTOR: They're intelligently designed.
...
MIRTH 19
> The Father and the Sons (sic) thrones are side by eide (sic) , God is
> Omnipresent ...
Your God CANNOT be omnipresent as he is FINITE. To be omnipresent God must
be INFINITE by definition.
IF your father and son gods are sitting on literal thrones THEN they are
BOTH FINITE and far less than the INFINITE One God Yahweh. They are no more
than Greek gods like Zeus and Dionysus.
Peter B.
When God created it, it was all good. Better than good. No deviations, no
sicknesses, no diseases, no weed or rock to get in your way. Yes it was
good.
Is that the way you see it in the world right now? No murders, no rapes, no
sickness, no disease. Work by the sweat of our brow, weeds, etc.?
Ever wonder why it turned out this way? Ever wonder why a sister would stab
you in the back?
It was because sin entered the world when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden
fruit. Satan was handed the authority of this world.
If you are seeing sin through rose colored glasses, you are not seeing a
sin free world. Jesus can save you if you will let him.
Peter B.
> On alt.religion.christian, Peter B. <p...@b.org> wrote:
>
>> On 3 Jan 2011 05:07:02 +0100, Sidney Lambe wrote:
>>
>>> On alt.religion.christian, Sensii <sensi...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/2/2011 9:31 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Peter B."<p...@b.org> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1j7kb94y...@4ever.his
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: Homosexuality is a stench in the nostrils of
>>>> God. Is it in yours, too?
>>>
>>> That isn't true. God obviously approves of homosexuality. Most
>>> mammals and many other creatures exhibit homosexual behavior.
>>>
>>> Nature is the _real_ living word of God.
>>>
>>> Jesus thought the subject so unimportant that he never
>>> mentioned it.
>>>
>>> [delete]
>>>
>>> Sid
>>
>> All of nature has been sin contaminated which is why it will
>> all be destroyed.
>
> That is simply non-sense. It has no basis in reality.
>
> Other than the reality of a fear-addled and ignorant
> human being...
>
> Sid
You see no murders, rapes, molestations, no hard work, all is love sweet
and kindess, no wars, no bombings all is love?
I deal with reality and I deal with spirituality. I am not deceived.
Peter B.
Read the Bible, Gods word will tell you all about it. Even how to be free,
live life to its fullest. You are so quick to judge, I am positive minded,
I have never been negative, God, who supplies my needs said He will always
provide a way of escape from problems. Not in the sense of running from
them but deliverance from them. You should try it some time.
Peter B.
It is proof that man reads and develops on their own per your statement for
there are a lot among them who are being taught of the Lord according to
the teachings of His word. He promised to lead the Believer into all truth.
A born again believer has the mind of Christ Jesus within. If you are not
born again then you don't. The gift of salvation is free, why not accept
Jesus as Saviour
Andrew W
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 19:07:20 +1100, Andrew W wrote:
>
>> "Peter B." <p...@b.org> wrote in message news:zuuf8u1hp15e$.dlg@4ever.his...
>>> On 3 Jan 2011 05:07:02 +0100, Sidney Lambe wrote:
>>>
>>> All of nature has been sin contaminated which is why it will all be
>>> destroyed.
>>>
>>
>> A negativist and a doomist.
>> Most Christians don't see the world in such a negative way.
>> But you have to wonder why God would create a world that becomes so
>> sinful
>> and rotten if he hates sin so much. Did he not see the future?
>> Or perhaps there's a very good reason why there is negativity in the
>> world,
>> which would show that Christianity doesn't understand much about God
>> after
>> all.
>
> Read the Bible, Gods word will tell you all about it.
>
No it doesn't.
No one has ever figured out by reading the Christian Bible why the Creator
created a world that became so evil.
However people who don't idolise the Bible have figured it out.
And the Christian Bible is not the word of God, Christ was.
>
> Even how to be free, live life to its fullest. You are so quick to judge,
> I am positive minded,
>
Christians don't live life to the fullest. They're too scared to even
masturbate or sleep with someone before marriage, plus several other things
in case they offend God.
>
> I have never been negative, God, who supplies my needs said He will always
> provide a way of escape from problems. Not in the sense of running from
> them but deliverance from them. You should try it some time.
>
If you think that "All of nature has been sin contaminated which is why it
will all be
destroyed." then you are very negative.
You religious yokels don't even know your own minds.
It is illogical for an all knowing God to create a perfect world, only for
it to go rotten at the drop of a hat and have to be destroyed.
If a construction company had to demolish its own building after building it
then it would be labelled incompetent and no one would give it contracts.
If the company knew that this was going to happen and still did it then it
would be labelled insane.
Elijahovah
> Actually it doesn't force homosexual aggression on anybody. It just
> prevents people from losing their carrers for being or suspected of
> being gay.
What is bad is said to be good (of God) by calling it love,
and what is good (moral of God) is said to be bad.
That too is in scripture.
Right here, heterosexuals can know longer say they are gay
nor can they be gay because the crap packers have stolen
the word, and now many of them steal the word HAPPY
too in reference of their crap packing. I do realize it was the
heterosexual "bikers", men who excuse whore orgies saying
it prevents them from being fags, etc. I was gay bashed and
if I had my freedom to go socialize with the drinkers then again
I know I would be gay bashed again, first the lies are muttered,
then a drunk will blurt it out, or maybe some hetero-pride guy
who bangs one girl per day. So many men think they are Christian
by proving their straight sex by being fornicators. You americans are
all blind and i disown you as fellow born americans because you dont
even see the Catholic prominant atitude of gay sex, namely that
in all american lands outside the USA be it Canada, Mexico, PR,
Central,
or South, all these Catholics feel that homo is the guy who takes it
not gives it. Most marred Catholic men of these lands are doing other
men
in the claim the iffeminate go to hell and the masculine go to heaven
because pioking is natural.. THESE ARE THE MEN WHO THINK CRAP PACKING
THEIR WIFE IS NOT A STENCH UP GOD'S NOSTRILS.
> > ‘A chaplain friend of mine asked God this week, 'why do
> > you allow evil to grow in America, and open homosexuality to be forced
> > upon our military?'
Was Captain-ordered group orgy part of the curriculum in the Vietnam
regiment in the claims of keeping the men straight? How Christian
is this, or is this what we expect of Christians in the military
trained
to kill for the governments instead of trained to die for God by
refusing
to be in their armies.
> You cannot establish that homosexuality is evil. You can only show
> that men wrote religious texts condemning homosexuality.
I disagree. Finally so depressed that I surrendered to the fact that
straight
people see me as gay (assuming I get my ass packed), and bummed out
that my biggest enemies are not the Christian gay-haters, but the
Christian
soothers saying to a stright man it is okay to out yourself and admit
youre gay,
we all know youre gay, we see it, you're not fooling us. I let my
guard down
and allowed the gay into my life deceived that they can care and love
like
they pretend to claim. And it is all about steal and rob and drugs and
orgies,
cheating on their wives so that you ask them do you kiss your wife
putting that tongue in her mouth after you lick the crap hole of these
men. Or you ask what would your wife say if she knew these men unload
up your ass. I see clearly that bible or no bible, God or no God, that
if God is in physics alone then all these people will soon bring
rampant death on everyone for what they now do on the internet for 14
years 1996-2010. Do note that when Abram saved Sodom in 1936bc that in
a mere 18 years in
1919bc the land exploded and they all laughed that Lot said get out of
town it is the end of the world. And they were more concerned that Lot
was protecting to men that they wanted to prove they loved these two
men more by crap-packing them. Do note that God Jehovah destroyed not
a city of men, butu a city with wives and daughters who did not flee.
Do note that God Jehovah promised that if 10 righteous men existed
then those men could save the city by evacuating them all. It is not
about miracles stopping volcanic reactions that righteous men
predicted accurately about God.
> > To which God answered him from Psalm 92:7: 'When
> > the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity
> > do flourish; it is so that they shall be destroyed forever.’
> Well if that is the case then you don't need to do anything about it
> then do you?
Yes this is true. The righteous dwell among the wicked, not to become
like them,
but to inherit the land they all own in real-estate and all claim thru
stealing
from american indians or crooked business, and all demand you buy and
sell
land as they do (the wicked). But God Jehovah promises the time comes
when the wicked die from what they do, and youre still standing so
that you will
own the land when they are dead. So leave them alone, they will die.
It is about verbal activism, the homosexuals mst die, will die, let
God do it.
Do not be physical activism by war or weapons. This is me on Oprah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFEdleJJft4
> > Homosexual sin will always be a stench in the nostrils of Almighty
> > God, an abomination which God condemns and shall punish with
> > everlasting destruction.
> Then why did God create homosexuals? Why are there homosexual
> animals? Are gay chimps an abomination to God? If so then why do
> they exist?
If a female animal humps a female animal she doesnt succeed in
intercourse.
If a male animal humps a male animal then I have yet to see two males
succeed
in entering the other except for men who I have seen trained animals
to do this.
In Racine wisconsin, a married man yet to be criminally caught goes
into gay chats
to find men with dogs because he wants to suck them off like he does
his own dog.
His wife may have found out something bad about sex, because I chatted
with him
and he said he was divorced and now married a Phillipino woman.
> The Senate doesn't vote anything regarding God or spirituality. The
> Senate only votes regarding the laws and treaties and apointments of
> the US.
EVERYTHING is an opinion about God or against God, the word God does
not
need to be mentionedx to be an act against him.
Elijahovah
A young woman working across from me in Chrysler
told me she lived on her street back in Milwaukee and
claimed they all knew her twin gay brother... twin or not
he looks exactly like her because this woman claimed this gay guy
dressed up like her and went into Water Tower Mall and charged
mega-big items to Oprah's account.
This girl from Milwaukee working at Chrysler
then told me that this gay brother died and she claims they wanted
a service for him but up from Chicago comes the sister and
"snatches" his body and has it cremated.
She claims Oprah wants to hide it.
I ask how come the rich can keep secrets while the poor are gay bashed
though straight until they allow the gays to succeed in recruiting
your virgin children who have been gay-bashed by straights and
by Christians and by atheists until they succumb to what matters any
more
if you are labeled for life and your life destroyed.
Intimidation is the most successful way to victimize a person into
a problem or addiction they never had before. Not peer pressure
intimidation, but belittling
you to feel no one wants you, youre not worth anything,
youre all bad and everyone knows it. This si what they do to get you
drinking
or on drugs with them or sex with them.
Sidney Lambe
I said absolutely nothing like that, you pathetic sick fuck.
Before you claim to be able to correctly interpret a book,
you ought to learn how to read.
>
> I deal with reality and I deal with spirituality. I am not
> deceived.
You believe a bunch of poisonous, psuedo-spiritual garbage.
I invite your false god to kiss my ass and run along.
You will notice that nothing at all happens to me.
The proof is in the pudding...
Now you are going to say that when my body dies, I am
going to go to some supposed 'Hell'.
Empty words from a sad mental case. The same sort
of sad mental cases that created the Bible in the
first place.
To bad you are into love instead of fear. THEN you
would be following the guidance of the real God.
Sidney Lambe
Quotes (>) removed for corrections:
To[o] bad you are [not] into love instead of fear. THEN you
would be following the guidance of the real God.
New material:
The one located by looking within.
"The Kingdom of Heaven is within you." -- Jesus
He also said we had to be as children to enter the
Kingdom of Heaven.
Do you see this fellow heeding the words of Jesus?
He _scares_ children. And they are right to be
scared. What he teaches is poisonous nonsense.
Sensii
Sensi:
I take notice of God's creation.. Earth, rocks, trees, oceans, plants,
dirt, rain, water, deserts, rain forest and that is not even saying much
compared to how all the different systems were created to work together.
This is all good.. Why would God destroy any of this when what he
created was good.
Now I take a look at man... I sit here and take notice of the things man
created through the process of thoughts and ideas that materialized.
My computer, chair, furniture, floors, walls, the structure of my house
all came from someones thoughts and ideas. The cars driving down the
road all were created by mans thought process, all the different models
even the different colors. Absolutely nothing wrong with any of this.
The paper I print on, the ink pens I write with, the oatmeal I'm about
to make, the milk in a carton,etc. Everything came from the origin of
thoughts and ideas.
We should all be thankful that thoughts and ideas do materialize. They
have brought us much convenience and why should they be destroyed?
There is nothing wrong with any of this..
Now if God were going to destroy something creative it would be
*stupidity* in the form of thoughts and ideas of man... Not man, but his
thoughts and ideas. How many times has a stupid idea been destroyed?
Probably thousands and millions of times. Thank God that many ideas
didn't get very far and thank God that some did. I happen to love the
man who invented air conditioning and the guy who created heating to
warm my bum. Thanking God for inventive people!
And then of course there are those who invent ideas that don't mean
diddly squat. Nothing good comes from bad ideas.
God is going to destroy the world some people say? Huh..What a stupid
idea. Destroying ideas is more like it. Life is good.
Destroying ideas of man are not always easy. For somehow they've placed
God as the creator of the idea. It's just an *idea* and that is all it
is and when come out with guns, bombs and offering plates to uphold
their ideas it's still stupid ideas!
Changing ideas is a good idea.
I'm going with the good!
@tampabay.rr.com Pastor Dave
thusly:
>> HOMOSEXUALITY A STENCH IN THE NOSTRILS OF GOD
>
> The *thoughts* centered around the idea are probably
> worse than the homosexual themselves. Back in the day
> black men were not allowed to fight for America.
>
>Thank God Bible verses from then to now have a different
> interpretation. It took awhile but rarely do men use those
> verses like they did back then. We can only hope that all
> men are well equipped mentally to be fruitful and multiply
> good will and peace on earth without having to think about
> sex standing in their way. I rather think the object is not
> about sexual tendencies but about mind tendencies that
> can cause more harm to people in the long run.
To not be able to understand the objection to homosexuals
in the military, is to be intentionally blind for the sake of
political correctness and the acceptance of society instead
of being in line with what God says.
The fact is, that it is about sexual issues and this idea that
homosexuals are being discriminated against by homophobes
is simply ridiculous and is the pressure put on by liberals,
to try to once again promote a foul agenda!
Would you be okay with your daughter being placed in
gym class with boys? Probably so, since being in the same
gym class playing volleyball together doesn't men that
anything sexual is going on. While thy may sneak a
quick look here and there, both are dressed and they
probably mostly just care that their teammates can
play some ball. :)
In the same way, soldiers don't care what someone's sexual
orientation is when they're in a foxhole together under fire.
They only care if they have good aim. :)
But now let me ask you... What about after gym class,
in the locker room? Is it okay for them to all be together
there as well, getting undressed and going to take their
showers after gym class? You know, boys and girls
together in the same locker room after gym class,
taking showers together in the same shower room?
Are you okay with this? If not, why not?
The truth is, we both know why not and even though you
will want to try to response by claiming that I'm the one with
the problem, because I'm stereotyping homosexuals as all
being perverts, you still would not want your child in the
same locker room with the opposite sex, because you know
what the situation is at that point and that it is wrong to do.
Nor can you argue that I am a caveman, because no all
homosexuals are attracted to all males, that doesn't matter,
because not all en are attracted to all women and the fact
is, that you're being a hypocrite when you object to boys
being in the same locker room with girls and don't object
to homosexual males being in the same locker room with
other males!
Now if homosexuals are sexually attracted to the same sex,
then they will be in the same shower room with other males
and what happened to the rights of those males not to have
to be forced to have those who want them sexually ogling
them? And yes, they will ogle them!
Homosexuals are not these "above all human temptation"
saints that you liberals try to make them out to be! They
are human, just like everyone else! And notice, I haven't
even touched the issue of homosexual acts being perversion!
I left it alone and showed you just how ridiculous the position
of liberals on this matter is, without even having to go there!
Now unless you are willing to have your young daughter in
the same locker room with boys, getting naked to take showers
together and so forth and unless you can say that you have
no problem with what you know is going to be the case with
that type of situation, then you are a hypocrite when you claim
that it is wrong for folks to object to homosexuals being in the
military, because their objection isn't about heterosexuals saying
that homosexuals can't shoot, that is the reason they're objecting!
They are objecting, because they don't think it's right to be forced
to shower together and to have to drop their pants in a row of toilets
without walls between them, in the same setup as homosexuals who
will (at least some toward some, depending on the personal taste of
each one) be attracted to the men there!
So while liberals try to hide behind their rhetoric, they have not
fooled anyone! And to those liberals who actually believed they
were making a good argument with that, then to them I say;
You are gullible, brainwashed and don't care about truth at all!
--
Pastor Dave
"The face is the mirror of the mind and eyes without speaking
confess the secrets of the heart." -Saint Jerome
@tampabay.rr.com Pastor Dave
thusly:
> We can only hope that all men are well equipped
> mentally to be fruitful and multiply good will and
> peace on earth without having to think about sex
> standing in their way.
Without thinking about sex, there would be no "fruit". :)
--
Pastor Dave
"The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz
did see. Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is AT HAND;
it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's
heart shall melt:" - Isaiah 13:1,6-9
This is the prophecy regarding Babylon, which was
fulfilled in 539 B.C.. Did "every man's heart
(actually, physically) melt? If not, then maybe
you need to think about how you read the New Testament,
sibce it is not an all new thing, but is the fulfillment
of various prophecies in the Old Testament.
And if you still try to claim that the New Testament
should be taken as physically literal anyway, then
you admit that you lie when you claim to interpret
Scripture by Scripture. It is that simple!
Sensii
Sensi:
Ok, so it's the shower room and the toilets where genitals are exposed.
Suppose you worked in a hospital and saw other peoples genitals all the
time?
The nurse who has to do catheterizing through the genital area would not
have a job if their *thoughts* were solely about sex.
What would you do? And what are *you* thinking? Would you instantly
start thinking sex? Not everyone thinks sex every time they see a set
of genitals.
So who is looking at who and why and where do you train your eyes to
look? Are you saying that grown straight men have a *fear* that they'll
lose their heterosexual origin should they look where they shouldn't be
looking? Is it possible that you could see a shower as a place to
cleanse and not lose your willpower while cleansing your body or use a
toilet to remove bodily waste.
Why would you be afraid of losing your willpower if you saw a naked
man? Are men so weak that they can't take control of their sexual
desires in a toilet or shower room?
It's rather doubtful that a homosexual would desire you just because
they saw you go potty or wash yourself. So why are you making the stink
unless you would somehow lose your self control?
Don't you have the ability to stop your thoughts from going in certain
directions? Shouldn't we all have that ability?
Sensii
> On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:49:37 -0600, Sensii<sensi...@yahoo.com> spake
> thusly:
>
>
>> We can only hope that all men are well equipped
>> mentally to be fruitful and multiply good will and
>> peace on earth without having to think about sex
>> standing in their way.
>
> Without thinking about sex, there would be no "fruit". :)
>
Sensi:
Lol. You're a fruit of the loom kind of guy.
Your fruit is showing.
A new pair of Hanes for you to keep your fruit intact.
Not everything in life is centered around sex, Pastor.
I was kind of taking into consideration what Jesus was
exposing in men in the form of seeds of a different kind of nature
rather than their sperm counts and how many times they stuck.
--
Sensii
Medicinal plants were created for a certain purpose. The musical scale
also created, the mind created to think with, to create with and to
experience with.
> Is that the way you see it in the world right now? No murders, no rapes, no
> sickness, no disease. Work by the sweat of our brow, weeds, etc.?
Sensi:
Each person lives in their own world. I don't have to connect my world
into things that I cannot control from you in your world or others who
live in a *state* of misery. It's no different today then when Jesus
lived in his world.
Choices are indeed wise or not.
>
> Ever wonder why it turned out this way? Ever wonder why a sister would stab
> you in the back?
Sensi:
From the realm of thoughts and ideas coupling with emotional turmoil.
>
> It was because sin entered the world when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden
> fruit. Satan was handed the authority of this world.
Sensi:
There is as much good fruit as their is rotten. Why always choose
rotten when God also gave the good. You can grow from either seed.
Bitter or sweet? You may have given Satan authority to rule your world
but he no longer exist in mine. I let him rot.
>
> If you are seeing sin through rose colored glasses, you are not seeing a
> sin free world. Jesus can save you if you will let him.
Sensi:
I see people grappling around with thoughts and ideas about the world.
Some seek bad, some seek good. If my focus is solely on how awful the
world is how can Jesus save me if my focus is not on the good of God in
the world?
@tampabay.rr.com Pastor Dave
thusly:
> Pastor Dave wrote:
>
>> Sensii spake thusly:
>>
>>> We can only hope that all men are well equipped
>>> mentally to be fruitful and multiply good will and
>>> peace on earth without having to think about sex
>>> standing in their way.
>>
>> Without thinking about sex, there would be no "fruit". :)
>
> Sensi:
> Lol. You're a fruit of the loom kind of guy.
I just checked. You're right! :)
> Your fruit is showing.
No. I'm careful about that. You won't see me
in the pants down to my knees look. :)
> Not everything in life is centered around sex, Pastor.
When did I say, or even imply that it was?
I simply countered the notion that people
go through life without thinking about sex,
even when they're doing something else.
> I was kind of taking into consideration what Jesus
> was exposing in men in the form of seeds of a
> different kind of nature rather than their sperm
> counts and how many times they stuck.
Of course with a new nature, comes a different way
of thinking. But sex is not unnatural and is only sin
in the wrong circumstances.
--
Pastor Dave
"Evolution destroys utterly and finally the very reason
Jesus' earthly life was supposedly made necessary.
Destroy Adam and Eve and the original sin and in the
rubble, you will find the sorry remains of the Son of
God. If Jesus was not the Redeemer... and this is
what evolution means, then Christianity is nothing."
- Richard Bozarth, Atheist
Make your choice, people! You can't have both!
the salad
wrote:
[...]
> To not be able to understand the objection to homosexuals
> in the military, is to be intentionally blind for the sake of
> political correctness and the acceptance of society instead
> of being in line with what God says.
You cannot demonstrate that. However it isn't hard to understand that
certain people are afraid of homosexuals. There is even a word to
describe that simple concept.
> The fact is, that it is about sexual issues and this idea that
> homosexuals are being discriminated against by homophobes
> is simply ridiculous and is the pressure put on by liberals,
> to try to once again promote a foul agenda!
That is not true. There are real people who lost their careers. That
is discrimination.
> Would you be okay with your daughter being placed in
> gym class with boys?
If she is attractive the boys will lust after her the moment she steps
into view regardless of what she wears. Its the nature of males being
visual.
> Probably so, since being in the same
> gym class playing volleyball together doesn't men that
> anything sexual is going on.
I hate to break this to you but if you have children then eventually
they will try to have sex. It's a natural instinct.
> While thy may sneak a
> quick look here and there, both are dressed and they
> probably mostly just care that their teammates can
> play some ball. :)
You are joking.
> In the same way, soldiers don't care what someone's sexual
> orientation is when they're in a foxhole together under fire.
> They only care if they have good aim. :)
You must be joking.
> But now let me ask you... What about after gym class,
> in the locker room? Is it okay for them to all be together
> there as well, getting undressed and going to take their
> showers after gym class? You know, boys and girls
> together in the same locker room after gym class,
> taking showers together in the same shower room?
There is a rape issue.
> Are you okay with this? If not, why not?
>
> The truth is, we both know why not and even though you
> will want to try to response by claiming that I'm the one with
> the problem . . .
Dave why don't you let other people decide what they think and what
they will say?
> . . . because I'm stereotyping homosexuals as all
> being perverts, you still would not want your child in the
> same locker room with the opposite sex,
It's a rape issue.
> . . . because you know
> what the situation is at that point and that it is wrong to do.
Hey don't fly on a plane ever again. All the security guards see
people naked all day long.
> Nor can you argue that I am a caveman, because no all
> homosexuals are attracted to all males, that doesn't matter,
> because not all en are attracted to all women and the fact
> is, that you're being a hypocrite when you object to boys
> being in the same locker room with girls and don't object
> to homosexual males being in the same locker room with
> other males!
I would be concerned with rape issues. Otherwise what is the big
deal?
> Now if homosexuals are sexually attracted to the same sex,
> then they will be in the same shower room with other males
> and what happened to the rights of those males not to have
> to be forced to have those who want them sexually ogling
> them? And yes, they will ogle them!
Wow is that your big argument?
> Homosexuals are not these "above all human temptation"
> saints that you liberals try to make them out to be!
Who tried to make them out to be that?
> They
> are human, just like everyone else!
Of course. Exclamation points add nothing.
> And notice, I haven't
> even touched the issue of homosexual acts being perversion!
Very wise since you cannot establish that. Rape is wrong regardless
of the victim's gender.
> I left it alone and showed you just how ridiculous the position
> of liberals on this matter is, without even having to go there!
You have not shown that. You seem to be afraid of homosexuals seeing
other people in the bathroom. That was your whole argument.
> Now unless you are willing to have your young daughter in
> the same locker room with boys
It's a rape issue. Girls are weaker than boys.
> . . . getting naked to take showers
> together and so forth and unless you can say that you have
> no problem with what you know is going to be the case with
> that type of situation, then you are a hypocrite when you claim
> that it is wrong for folks to object to homosexuals being in the
> military
Dude maybe they should build shower rooms for one. It can be done.
There problem solved. Put up stalls or walls.
[..]
Ted L
> Sensi:
> Okay I went and read 2 Peter 2:9 but I didn't go with an idea already
> fixed in my mind that it was speaking solely about homosexuals
That's a good way to approach it. And you should continue on in the
passage to verse 22 aware that you yourself have rejected the gospel
after many times of hearing it, choosing yourself to go the way of
Balaam, attempting to curse the works of grace and righteousness,
approving of and approved in sin by the false faith you are following.
But the scriptures tell you that for such "the latter end is worse
with them than the beginning"(v.20), and the scriptures do not lie,
and do not change.
Jude
> On Jan 2, 4:11 pm, "Peter B." <p...@b.org> wrote:
>
>> The principle in Psalm 92:7 is throughout the OT. God is also
>> longsuffering. Some take it as it doesn't bother Him anymore to
>> their own
>> destruction. Thanks for reminding us of Gods word and why He waits.-
>> Hide quoted text -
>
> Also 2 Peter 2:9, God reserves the unsaved guilty to be punished.
> Simply horrifies me to ponder what's in store for these reprobates.
You skank, you don't give a SHIT about these people. You're sitting there
all smug in your approved heterosexuality liking the idea that homosexuals
are going to be tormented for eternity? You are the stench here!
Jude
So who are you that knows Sensi? Some sock puppet of a asshole? The "way of
Balaam?" LOL What kind of magical land do you live in, you skank, full of
shit, no-way chrisshun pretense! Thanks for teh best laugh I've had in
WEEKS!
Jude
> On Jan 2, 5:03 pm, the salad <hsot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 2, 11:49 am, Ted L <spamtaddl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Notes, December 31, 2010,www.wayoflife.orgf...@wayoflife.org,
>>> 866-295-4143) - The following is from Christian Newswire, Dec. 19,
>>> 2010: “After delivering 205,000 fax petitions to Congress against
>>> open homosexual service in the military, Chaplain Gordon James
>>> Klingenschmitt had this to say about the Senate's 65-31 vote to
>>> force open homosexual aggression upon our troops by repealing
>>> ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’:
>>
>> Actually it doesn't force homosexual aggression on anybody. It just
>> prevents people from losing their carrers for being or suspected of
>> being gay.
>>
>>> you allow evil to grow in America, and open homosexuality to be
>>> forced upon our military?'
>>
>> that men wrote religious texts condemning homosexuality.
>>
>>> the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity
>>> do flourish; it is so that they shall be destroyed forever.’
>>
>> Well if that is the case then you don't need to do anything about it
>> then do you?
>>
>>> God, an abomination which God condemns and shall punish with
>>> everlasting destruction.
>>
>> Then why did God create homosexuals? Why are there homosexual
>> animals? Are gay chimps an abomination to God? If so then why do
>> they exist?
>>
>>> legalize sin, they could not remove God from His throne of Judgment,
>>> before which every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that
>>> Jesus Christ is Lord.”
>>
>> The Senate doesn't vote anything regarding God or spirituality. The
>> Senate only votes regarding the laws and treaties and apointments of
>> the US.
>
> are in the heavenlies.
Thanks for teh SECOND biggest laugh I've had all week! Your home is up your
freaking ignorant, hateful ass! :)
It's sad to see but as a born again child of
> God through faith in Jesus Christ, I don't have much to lose and
> there's nothing distressing about the worse case scenario to me. But
> for you, whatever enemy that comes to antagonize Americans because of
> either a weakened military was unable to defend against a foreign
> aggression, or because our own government goes tyrannical with
> martial- law using a morally bankrupted, anything-goes military,
> you'll have lost everything. Maybe it'll be jack-booted atrocities
> overseas by the now morally-lawless military bringing return
> retributions to your home town. You'll enjoy less abundance of
> everything you value about your way of American life. You act like a
> confused union worker who stayed proudly and victoriously on a picket
> line after the company closes up shop and relocates overseas because
> of a Union's greedy demands. Your repugnant ideas became law.
> Congratulations.
Geez, you in league with a figment of your imaginatio and you've set
yourself up as central role of magical land with all your religious
arrogance and disgust of others. YOU ARE THE DISGUSTING ONE. What you are
doing is projecting in your OWN disgusting self onto others! Get a freaking
clue!
Spock Jenkins
> HOMOSEXUALITY A STENCH IN THE NOSTRILS OF GOD (Friday Church News
> Notes, December 31, 2010,www.wayoflife.orgf...@wayoflife.org,
> 866-295-4143) - The following is from Christian Newswire, Dec. 19,
> 2010: “After delivering 205,000 fax petitions to Congress against open
> homosexual service in the military, Chaplain Gordon James
> Klingenschmitt had this to say about the Senate's 65-31 vote to force
> open homosexual aggression upon our troops by repealing ‘Don’t Ask,
> you allow evil to grow in America, and open homosexuality to be forced
> the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity
> do flourish; it is so that they shall be destroyed forever.’
> God, an abomination which God condemns and shall punish with
> legalize sin, they could not remove God from His throne of Judgment,
> before which every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus
> Christ is Lord.”
I am a married straight man and i have never had problems with the gay
community. That said, the homosexuals i have encountered online have
been crass, rude, prejudicial, and downright ignorant. They are poor
role models for other homosexuals and subsequently i would think twice
before start a friendship with a homosexual.
Miles Evans
Funny that the homophobic rant posted by several people doesn't seem
to bother you at all. Talk about crass, rude and ignorant.
They are poor
> role models for other homosexuals and subsequently i would think twice
> before start a friendship with a homosexual.-
And that would make you a bigot.
Would you say that about Blacks? Jews?
Jude
Thank you and why the hell not? I'm pretty sure women don't bath/shower
together. I've never understood why we had to shower together nude anyway
like men don't have a sense of modesty. Well, nevermind, some of us have.
:)
Sensii
Sensi:
A new nature doesn't occur overnight. It's a long process to grow a
tree into maturity as is the process long to grow a man into a
Christlike nature. That would account for behaviors that need to be
controlled by self in self and not something outside of the self.
Each self is responsible for it's conduct. I think that's the whole
concept of becoming fruit of the spirit. Perhaps it's an intimacy and a
desire to want this nature so bad that you become what you truly desire.
There might be a problem when discussing seeds of this nature, intimacy
and how man is impregnated with the desire to be Christlike and or
develop into Fruit of the Spirit. I'm quite sure that fruit of the
spirit is indeed more productive for man than his sex life ever could
be. More often than not all that talk about seeds, intimacy,
affections,multiplying and producing is looked at as a sexual experience
instead of a spiritual experience.
I vote that spiritual intimacy is between man and God rather than man
and man and that would change the whole picture of what you *think.*
And since a new nature comes from a different way of thinking perhaps
the thoughts are indeed a problem for man and it's his duty to change
his thoughts so he can solve his problems. I mean after all there is a
whole host of thoughts you could go with.. Think about it.
Peter B.
You said all nature is God.
> Before you claim to be able to correctly interpret a book,
> you ought to learn how to read.
>
You have not read it through.
>>
>> I deal with reality and I deal with spirituality. I am not
>> deceived.
>
> You believe a bunch of poisonous, psuedo-spiritual garbage.
>
Yet you post in Christian ng's?
> I invite your false god to kiss my ass and run along.
> You will notice that nothing at all happens to me.
> The proof is in the pudding...
>
Yes pudding, you have all proof.
Not.
> Now you are going to say that when my body dies, I am
> going to go to some supposed 'Hell'.
>
You said so.
> Empty words from a sad mental case. The same sort
> of sad mental cases that created the Bible in the
> first place.
>
Yet you claimed to understand it.
> To bad you are into love instead of fear. THEN you
> would be following the guidance of the real God.
>
> Sid
That makes no sense.
Peter B.
Yet you posted in Christian ng's
your logic proves you never understood the Bible
Jude
Well said, really. The myths of the bible with an angry, killing God who
apparently didn't know people were going to be so bad that they needed to be
be mass killed, at least several times 4/5 thousand years ago. Then it
seems God "repented" and said He wasn't going to kill people any more.
Maybe God finally figured out that people have half self nature which leads
to many acts of selfishness and harm to others. God making deals with the
devil who destroyed a man and killed his whole family? God hating this one
for not worshipping Him but apparently he never revealed Himself to the ones
he hated like he supposedly did to Abraham and all the prophets. So much
insantity created by men to explain all the destruction and fearful
happenings around them and yes, sometimes the seemingly miraclous things
that occur. If one looks to the bible or the Quran for a complete guide to
God is going on a fool's adventure. I believe God exist but that there is
no book that gives us a guideline on how to understand Him.
@tampabay.rr.com Pastor Dave
thusly:
> Pastor Dave wrote:
>
>> Sensii spake thusly:
>> mean that anything sexual is going on. While they
> Ok, so it's the shower room and the toilets where genitals
> are exposed. Suppose you worked in a hospital and saw
> other peoples genitals all the time?
I don't and we're not talking about working in a hospital
and your attempt to avoid the very simple question that
I asked you won't fly with me.
People in general simply do not look at other people of
the gender that they're attracted to naked and then start
thinking of medical procedures and we both know that!
The question here is about YOU and whether or not YOU
would say the things you're saying now, if it came to the
decision as to whether or not to allow YOUR young daughter
to change and shower with young men who are attracted
to women in the locker room after gym class. Yes or no???
Do you feel confident that the young men there would not
ogle at and sexualize your daughter, because they've seen
a bunch of genitals? Yes? No? Which is it???
> So who is looking at who and why and where do
> you train your eyes to look?
You're not going to make this about me and pretending
that this isn't reality will not serve any purpose except
that of you making yourself look foolish. (:
Where I train my eyes to look is irrelevant. It's where
the young man's eyes that is next to your naked daughter
in the shower trains his eyes to look that matters.
The question here is about YOU and whether or not YOU
would say the things you're saying now, if it came to the
decision as to whether or not to allow YOUR young daughter
to change and shower with young men who are attracted
to women in the locker room after gym class. Yes or no???
Do YOU TRUST that the young men would "train their eyes"
to look somewhere else, Sensi???
> Are you saying that grown straight men have a *fear*
> that they'll lose their heterosexual origin should they
> look where they shouldn't be looking?
Once again, you try to make it about what it is not about.
Why would someone who claims to be an honest person
do this?
Homosexual or heterosexual doesn't matter and I made
that very clear, by stating that it was about people with
the gender that they are attracted to being in the same
place, naked, whether changing clothes, or showering,
or whatever the case may be and it has nothing to do
with heterosexual, or homosexual issues. I told you,
the issue is the hypocrisy of people like you.
After all, why is it called discrimination by people like you
when heterosexuals object to homosexuals being present
for these things, but it is not considered discrimination
by people like you if they object to heterosexuals being
present for these same exact things?! That is hypocrisy!
The question here is about YOU and whether or not YOU
would say the things you're saying now, if it came to the
decision as to whether or not to allow YOUR young daughter
to change and shower with young men who are attracted
to women in the locker room after gym class. Yes or no???
Do YOU TRUST that the young men would "train their eyes"
to look somewhere else, Sensi???
> Is it possible that you could see a shower as a place
> to cleanse and not lose your willpower while cleansing
> your body or use a toilet to remove bodily waste.
> Why would you be afraid of losing your willpower
> if you saw a naked man?
Your despicable tactics of trying to imply things about me,
to avoid the issue do not fool anyone.
The issue is whether or not the world in general does that
an you know as well as I do that the fact is that they don't
and you whining about how they should, does not change
this fact and does not answer the question of how you
would feel about the scenario I provided, which, if you
do truly want to be fair, must be considered, or you're
just a hypocrite!
Now the question that you are trying to dodge remains...
Is it okay with you for your young daughter to be showering
naked in a shower room with heterosexual males after gym?
If not, then why not?
Because unless you are willing to have your young daughter
in the same locker room with boys, getting naked to take
showers together and so forth and also say that you have
no problem with what you know is going to be the case
with that type of situation, then you are a hypocrite when
you claim that it is wrong for folks to object to homosexuals
being in the military, because their objection isn't about
heterosexuals saying that homosexuals can't shoot, that
is the reason they're objecting!
The fact is, that people have a right to object to being forced
to undress in front of other people who find their gender to
be sexually attractive. You objecting to that thought is not
sensible, but hypocritical, because you don't object to it when
the discussion is about members of the opposite sex and you
would not approve of that and yet, make a big deal out of it
when people object to have to be naked on a daily basis in
front of those who find them sexually attractive, if the people
under discussion are homosexuals! Gee, why would that be?
And the other important question... Why is it called discrimination
when heterosexuals object to homosexuals being present for these
things, but it is not considered discrimination if they object to
heterosexuals being present for these things? That describes your
approach as well and it is hypocrisy, which makes you a hypocrite!
Now go ahead and dodge the issue again and pretend that
trying to pretend that there's something wrong with me and
that I'm a homophobe is a real answer. <chuckle>
Ted L
> On Jan 3, 6:46 am, Pastor Dave <newsgroup-mail @ tampabay.rr.com>
> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > To not be able to understand the objection to homosexuals
> > in the military, is to be intentionally blind for the sake of
> > political correctness and the acceptance of society instead
> > of being in line with what God says.
>
> You cannot demonstrate that.
He can if he knows what God says about it. So can I. So can you. It's
not that difficult: Popular opinion (by 2 to 1 in the US Senate) says
sodomy is acceptable in the military. God's Word says it is never
acceptable. (Leviticus 18:22)
Q.E.D.
Popular opinions change but God's Word is immutable. Popular opinion
is fallable, God's Word is inerrant, infallible, complete, and
perfect. God's Word is inspired by the Spirit of the everlasting
God. Popular opinion is the inspired word of wicked men and the
spirit that works in the children of disobedience, fragmented, having
not the truth, here today, like you, gone tomorrow, temporal, like
yourself. Your clever and exalted thinking is going to be a base
mean in light of the evidence at the judgement according to Romans
1:15, so your pathetic excuses have no standing. Think of it like a
stage fright similar to Deuteronomy 5:23-26, except you won't survive
without the faith of Jesus Christ. You have God's Word on it.
Andrew W
No, that's what you think.
Your response proves that you didn't even comprehend what I said.
Now why did you try to redirect me to alt.cad?
Very sneaky.
Andrew W
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 19:23:53 +1100, Andrew W wrote:
>
>> "Peter B." <p...@b.org> wrote in message news:d4gmftlsrlr$.dlg@4ever.his...
>>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:31:27 +1100, Andrew W wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Peter B." <p...@b.org> wrote in message news:1j7kb94y...@4ever.his
>>>>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:23:41 +1100, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Peter B." <p...@b.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 11:57:23 +1100, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> F.Y.I we already have too much multiplying. The world is
>>>>>>>> overpopulated, and
>>>>>>>> there have been homosexual people here for ages.
>>>>>>>> You don't have to be scared that we'll become extinct.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not scared of anything, least of all that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then you really have no problem with homosexuals and likely neither
>>>>>> does the Creator.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't care for them in general, I have no fear of them nor should
>>>>> I, and the Creator said that they are disrespecting His creation. It
>>>>> is also not your problem to be concerned about my feelings.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are you sure it wasn't humans who said that homosexuals are
>>>> disrespecting
>>>> God's creation?
>>>> And in fact the scriptures don't actually say anything so explicit or
>>>> direct. Its just your interpretation of what they're getting at.
>>>
>>> The Bible is explicit, God is explicit, both are direct. I can see you
>>> studied neither.
>>>
>>
>> I have. So have many others who disagree with your type.
>> I bet you only study the Bible by reading the Bible and making
>> interpretations. Do you think that qualifies as study?
>> If the Bible is so explicit and direct then why are there 20,000 or so
>> Christian sects and denominations all disagreeing with each other on
>> God's
>> exact will for salvation? No other religion has so many sects. This is
>> proof
>> of the high interpretability of the Bible.
>
> It is proof that man reads and develops on their own per your statement
> for
> there are a lot among them who are being taught of the Lord according to
> the teachings of His word. He promised to lead the Believer into all
> truth.
>
Who and where are these people who have been led to all truths? All we see
is people in different Christian sects preaching different stuff.
>
> A born again believer has the mind of Christ Jesus within. If you are not
> born again then you don't. The gift of salvation is free, why not accept
> Jesus as Saviour
>
What is involved in becoming born again? Define. And how does one know when
they are born again?
No one has ever been certified as born again in human history.
the salad
> On Jan 3, 11:28 am, the salad <hsot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 3, 6:46 am, Pastor Dave <newsgroup-mail @ tampabay.rr.com>
> > wrote:
> > [...]
>
> > > To not be able to understand the objection to homosexuals
> > > in the military, is to be intentionally blind for the sake of
> > > political correctness and the acceptance of society instead
> > > of being in line with what God says.
>
> > You cannot demonstrate that.
>
> He can if he knows what God says about it. So can I. So can you.
You cannot produce "what God says". Thus you cannot demonstrate what
is or isn't in line with the "what God says" that you cannot produce.
What you can do is produce what some men say and pretend that God said
that. But that isn't producing "what God says".
> It's
> not that difficult: Popular opinion (by 2 to 1 in the US Senate) says
> sodomy is acceptable in the military. God's Word says it is never
> acceptable. (Leviticus 18:22)
You cannot produce God's word. Leviticus was written by men.
Pretending it is God's word doesn't show us what God says.
> Q.E.D.
You have done nothing of the kind.
> Popular opinions change but God's Word is immutable.
You can't demonstrate that either. Don't you get it? You know
nothing about God's word. You don't have it. You don't know anything
about it.
> Popular opinion
> is fallable, God's Word is inerrant, infallible, complete, and
> perfect.
Well if that were true then you know the Bible cannot be God's word.
> God's Word is inspired by the Spirit of the everlasting
> God.
What kind of double talk is that? Ted's posts are inspired by Ted's
spirit. It doesn't work that way. The author of a work writes the
work. The Bible was not written by God so we proclaim all this
theology to deny that fact.
> Popular opinion is the inspired word of wicked men . . .
The men who wrote the Bible were just as human and flawed as the rest
of us.
> . . . and the
> spirit that works in the children of disobedience, fragmented, having
> not the truth, here today, like you, gone tomorrow, temporal, like
> yourself.
I didn't claim to be immortal.
> Your clever and exalted thinking is going to be a base
> mean in light of the evidence at the judgement according to Romans
> 1:15, so your pathetic excuses have no standing.
What pathetic excuses? Do you mean the facts that you cannot get
around?
> Think of it like a
> stage fright similar to Deuteronomy 5:23-26, except you won't survive
> without the faith of Jesus Christ.
I already have faith in Jesus Christ. Why would you assume otherwise?
> You have God's Word on it.
No I do not and neither do you.
the salad
wrote:
[...]
> > Ok, so it's the shower room and the toilets where genitals
> > are exposed. Suppose you worked in a hospital and saw
> > other peoples genitals all the time?
>
> I don't and we're not talking about working in a hospital
Never the less her point is valid. All sorts of people do work in
hospitals - both genders and a wide range of sexual orientations.
People can be adults about this. People can behave themselves.
> and your attempt to avoid the very simple question that
> I asked you won't fly with me.
It has a very simple solution. Put privacy walls around the showers
so that each trooper has their own space. You do realize that for
over a decade homosexuals have been in the military? Don't Ask Don't
Tell did not remove gays - it only removed those who claimed they were
gay.
> People in general simply do not look at other people of
> the gender that they're attracted to naked and then start
> thinking of medical procedures and we both know that!
You miss her point. Doctors and Nurses have sexual urges just like
everyone else. They can behave themselves. Others can behave
themselves too.
> The question here is about YOU and whether or not YOU
> would say the things you're saying now, if it came to the
> decision as to whether or not to allow YOUR young daughter
> to change and shower with young men who are attracted
Hello? Stall walls can be installed? You know the military might
have already thought of this in it's DADT restructuring.
> to women in the locker room after gym class. Yes or no???
Put in stall walls. It would cost a bit of money but problem solved.
> Do you feel confident that the young men there would not
> ogle at and sexualize your daughter . . .
If she was attractive they do that anyway even when through clothes.
[...]
Ted L
> You cannot produce "what God says". Thus you cannot demonstrate what
> is or isn't in line with the "what God says" that you cannot produce.
> What you can do is produce what some men say and pretend that God said
> that. But that isn't producing "what God says".
> You cannot produce God's word. Leviticus was written by men.
> Pretending it is God's word doesn't show us what God says.
I cannot produce it, but God has divinely inspired His Word in the
scriptures. No need to "pretend". God's Word was with Him from the
beginning and endureth forever. See below.
...
> The men who wrote the Bible were just as human and flawed as the rest
> of us.
Yes they were, but they didn't speak in their own power, see below.
...
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness" 2 Timothy 3:16
"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy
men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:21
> I already have faith in Jesus Christ. Why would you assume otherwise?
Luke 6:46; Titus 1:15-16, for example.
By the way "Christian", lest you continue in your conceit: "the LORD
will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain." (Exodus
20:5)
Andrew W
> On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:15:27 -0600, Jude wrote:
>
>> It is the act God who created them despises. If someone calls
>>>> themselves one but never acts upon it they are not condemned.
>>
>> This isn't knowledge, Peter. It's what you believe. Faith is NOT
>> KNOWLEDGE
>> and I'm not railing against you in particular. It's exasperating,
>> though,
>> that people can't acknowledge the difference between faith and knowledge.
>
> Then I am unclear about what you mean "by faith". If you mean that
> although
> I can show you written word in the OT and NT about Gods comment on Man
> lying with man as if a woman or similar. That it isn't knowledge I have
> but faith?
>
> If so then on your terms you would be correct. On my understanding it is
> knowledge due to my relationship and experiences with the God of the Bible
> that makes it real.
>
How have you tied together your experiences with the Bible God?
This is the big question for Bible Christians, and one I'm sure they cannot
answer.
Andrew W
> On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 22:40:58 -0600, Sensii wrote:
>
>> On 1/2/2011 10:19 PM, Peter B. wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On 1/2/2011 9:31 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hey, I'm thankful that life offers us the opportunities to learn from.
>> How else are people to learn if they don't learn from their mistakes?
>> Life is just as contaminated with the good if you look for good you'll
>> find it but if you're more a pessimist you'll only look for the bad.
>>
>> Perhaps the mistakes with be destroyed and the *value* of learning will
>> be examined as a lesson well learned for each soul.
>>
>> I hope you take the good and leave the bad and I hope the good outweighs
>> the bad.
>> When God created it saw that it was good. Why would he say it was good
>> and you say it is bad?
>
> When God created it, it was all good. Better than good. No deviations, no
> sicknesses, no diseases, no weed or rock to get in your way. Yes it was
> good.
>
> no
> sickness, no disease. Work by the sweat of our brow, weeds, etc.?
>
I don't experience hardly any of those things. If you are then you're not
properly following Christ's example of grace.
Sensii
Sensi:
Did you know your thoughts are seeds and create more for you or against
you than any one of your sperm seeds?
You've just ejaculated some of the worst thoughts and ideas I've ever
seen. Am I responsible for what you ejaculate from your minds eye?
Nope! Not hardly!
Who planted these ideas in your mind that you would try to impregnate me
with your ideas? It won't work.. it never has and never will.
What you're trying to do is called control, manipulation and using fear
tactics that don't exist for me but exist in you. In other words it's
your problem not mine.
First of all I don't reject grace nor do I pretend that righteousness is
only about Jesus and him alone, I also have to live by the law.I
understand morality, honesty and integrity and would not abuse it by
using Biblical scripture to pretend something is true when it is not. I
also have to share God's grace with others and not be so selfish with it
that I keep it all for myself. And nor would I ever accuse someone of
following Balaam just because that person disagreed with an *idea.*
You're *creating* a lie by using Scripture to do so. Not a good idea,
that. Do you have anything good to offer in the form of an idea? This
idea you just presented is ignorant and uncalled for. Surely you can do
better than that.
And no the scriptures do not tell me what you say they tell me.
--
Sensii
Sensi:
Go to another room or as "the salad" suggested build a shower stall
and stop worrying that someone desires your ass. You probably don't have
a thing to worry about. Make something out of it and then worry about
what you made but I do hope you get the part that worry is something
your invent 99% of the time and never actually pans out like you *imagine.*
Spock Jenkins
The majority of heterosexuals over 50 were raised on their parents
knees to hate homosexuals. Homosexuality is repulsive and abhorrent to
most hetero's, especially hetero men. Their attitudes and actions are
understandable especially since rampant homosexual promiscuity leads
them to aggressively approach heterosexual men for sex in bars and
nightclubs.
> They are poor
> > role models for other homosexuals and subsequently i would think twice
> > before start a friendship with a homosexual.-
>
> And that would make you a bigot.
> Would you say that about Blacks? Jews?
This thead is not about blacks or jews. Please pay attention and do
not attempt to change the subject.
Ted L
wrote:
> "Ted L" <spamtaddl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a6a8b5fc-d032-4f3b...@k25g2000vbl.googlegroups.com
>
> > HOMOSEXUALITY A STENCH IN THE NOSTRILS OF GOD (Friday Church News
> > Notes, December 31, 2010,www.wayoflife.orgf...@wayoflife.org,
> > 866-295-4143) - The following is from Christian Newswire, Dec. 19,
> > 2010: After delivering 205,000 fax petitions to Congress against open
> > homosexual service in the military, Chaplain Gordon James
> > Klingenschmitt had this to say about the Senate's 65-31 vote to force
> > open homosexual aggression upon our troops by repealing Don t Ask,
> > Don t Tell : A chaplain friend of mine asked God this week, 'why do
> > you allow evil to grow in America, and open homosexuality to be forced
> > upon our military?'
>
Yes, homosexuality really is evil. See Leviticus 18:22 from God's
Word. King James Version is a faithful translation.
God calls homosexuality an abomination. The abominable will die their
second, eternal, everlasting punishment being cast in the lake of
fire. Rev 21:8. Every mention and incident involving homosexuals in
the Bible is in the context of those who are evil. See Gen 19:1-28,
Judges 19:22. Sodom is held as an example of the wickedness of these
types and the judgement of holy wrath for their unrepentance. They're
likened to dogs and their affections are considered vile. Deut
23:17-18, Romans 1:26.
Yes, homosexuality really is evil.
Andrew W
news:00f6c6c5-5660-42e1...@30g2000yql.googlegroups.com
Something being an abomination is different to a person being evil.
And evil can be transformed back to light because those who are evil are
very misled about God and creation. Someone who is misled and in high ego
delusion can be enlightened and return to a more harmonious state with time.
And how do you know that the scripture verses weren't just fearful people
saying and writing negative things?
How much of the Bible is inspired? No one knows. Most of it is societal
laws, guidelines and traditions.
@tampabay.rr.com Pastor Dave
thusly:
> what you made, but I do hope you get the part that
> worry is something your invent 99% of the time and
> never actually pans out like you *imagine*.
As expected, you have once again dodged the question
with insults directed toward me. You don't answer it,
because you know that your answer would indeed be
"No" and you haven't got the integrity to admit it.
One thing is for sure though... next time, you won't
feel so comfortable about twisting up the issue and
trying to make it about homophobia.
--
Pastor Dave
"Be courteous to all, but intimate with few. And let those
few be well tried before you give them your confidence.
True friendship is a plant of slow growth and must undergo
and withstand the shocks of adversity before it is entitled
to the appellation." - George Washington
Ted L
wrote:
> Something being an abomination is different to a person being evil.
> And evil can be transformed back to light because those who are evil are
> very misled about God and creation. Someone who is misled and in high ego
> delusion can be enlightened and return to a more harmonious state with time.
> And how do you know that the scripture verses weren't just fearful people
> saying and writing negative things?
> How much of the Bible is inspired? No one knows. Most of it is societal
> laws, guidelines and traditions.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
All of what you said is controverted by the Bible, which is to be
expected when you are trying to divine truth within your own
understanding. When a soul is born again, the old man in Adam dies
and a new person, with a new life, a new spirit, a new song, and a new
eternal destination is created. Our sin nature doesn't transform, it
dies. Slowly, and daily, as we conform to become more like Christ day
by day, until we finally do break free of our fence of clay and see
Christ as He really is, when then we'll be just like Him.
Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21 contains the complete inspired Word of
God, inerrant, infallible, unperjurable, immutable. Present from
everlasting to everlasting, God's Word endureth forever. If there's
only one book you ever read or have read to you, it should be this
text. You will not understand it all, but you'll be unable to deny
honestly that it is not the work of man. I recommend the King James
translation, one with uncommon words defined.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness" 2 Timothy 3:16
"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy
men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:21
Ted
Sensii
>> Sensi:
>> Go to another room or as "the salad" suggested build
>> a shower stall and stop worrying that someone desires
>> your ass. You probably don't have a thing to worry
>> about. Make something out of it and then worry about
>> what you made, but I do hope you get the part that
>> worry is something your invent 99% of the time and
>> never actually pans out like you *imagine*.
>
> As expected, you have once again dodged the question
> with insults directed toward me. You don't answer it,
> because you know that your answer would indeed be
> "No" and you haven't got the integrity to admit it.
>
> One thing is for sure though... next time, you won't
> feel so comfortable about twisting up the issue and
> trying to make it about homophobia.
>
Sensi:
Dream up whatever you like.
The analogy you imagined had nothing to
do with the issue. I can't answer what you imagine.
Your imagination answered your own questions and whatever
I would say would not be what *YOU* imagined as the right answer cause
you imagined the problem and then imagined you already had the answer to
your imagined problem. There was nothing for me to twist from what you
imagined. I can't twist your imagination like you can. I don't have a
homophobia about homosexuals like you do.. Imagine that!
Peter B.
> On 1/3/2011 3:23 AM, Peter B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 22:40:58 -0600, Sensii wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/2/2011 10:19 PM, Peter B. wrote:
>>>> On 3 Jan 2011 05:07:02 +0100, Sidney Lambe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On alt.religion.christian, Sensii<sensi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/2/2011 9:31 PM, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>> "Peter B."<p...@b.org> wrote in message news:1j7kb94y...@4ever.his
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Homosexuality is a stench in the nostrils of God. Is it in yours, too?
>>>>>
>>>>> That isn't true. God obviously approves of homosexuality. Most
>>>>> mammals and many other creatures exhibit homosexual behavior.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nature is the _real_ living word of God.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jesus thought the subject so unimportant that he never mentioned
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> [delete]
>>>>>
>>>>> Sid
>>>>
>>>> All of nature has been sin contaminated which is why it will all be
>>>> destroyed.
>>>
>>> Sensi:
>>>
>>> Hey, I'm thankful that life offers us the opportunities to learn from.
>>> How else are people to learn if they don't learn from their mistakes?
>>> Life is just as contaminated with the good if you look for good you'll
>>> find it but if you're more a pessimist you'll only look for the bad.
>>>
>>> Perhaps the mistakes with be destroyed and the *value* of learning will
>>> be examined as a lesson well learned for each soul.
>>>
>>> I hope you take the good and leave the bad and I hope the good outweighs
>>> the bad.
>>> When God created it saw that it was good. Why would he say it was good
>>> and you say it is bad?
>>
>> When God created it, it was all good. Better than good. No deviations, no
>> sicknesses, no diseases, no weed or rock to get in your way. Yes it was
>> good.
>>
> Sensi:
> Medicinal plants were created for a certain purpose. The musical scale
> also created, the mind created to think with, to create with and to
> experience with.
>
>> Is that the way you see it in the world right now? No murders, no rapes, no
>> sickness, no disease. Work by the sweat of our brow, weeds, etc.?
>
> Sensi:
> Each person lives in their own world. I don't have to connect my world
> into things that I cannot control from you in your world or others who
> live in a *state* of misery. It's no different today then when Jesus
> lived in his world.
> Choices are indeed wise or not.
>
>>
>> Ever wonder why it turned out this way? Ever wonder why a sister would stab
>> you in the back?
>
> Sensi:
> From the realm of thoughts and ideas coupling with emotional turmoil.
>
>>
>> It was because sin entered the world when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden
>> fruit. Satan was handed the authority of this world.
>
> Sensi:
> There is as much good fruit as their is rotten. Why always choose
> rotten when God also gave the good. You can grow from either seed.
> Bitter or sweet? You may have given Satan authority to rule your world
> but he no longer exist in mine. I let him rot.
>
>>
>> If you are seeing sin through rose colored glasses, you are not seeing a
>> sin free world. Jesus can save you if you will let him.
>
> Sensi:
>
> I see people grappling around with thoughts and ideas about the world.
> Some seek bad, some seek good. If my focus is solely on how awful the
> world is how can Jesus save me if my focus is not on the good of God in
> the world?
>
Amazing to me are the ones who would walk in this life as some ethereal
existence where all is pleasant and kindness and light. To whom others that
live in reality without fear are those that somehow live in evil.
One cannot see to help the needy when their denying realities. They can
only see it when it turns into a bloody mess.
the salad
> On Jan 3, 2:31 pm, the salad <hsot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You cannot produce "what God says". Thus you cannot demonstrate what
> > is or isn't in line with the "what God says" that you cannot produce.
> > What you can do is produce what some men say and pretend that God said
> > that. But that isn't producing "what God says".
> ...
> > You cannot produce God's word. Leviticus was written by men.
> > Pretending it is God's word doesn't show us what God says.
>
> I cannot produce it, but God has divinely inspired His Word in the
> scriptures. No need to "pretend".
Yet you cannot demonstrate. You can only make claims.
> God's Word was with Him from the
> beginning and endureth forever. See below.
You do not demonstrate. You only claim.
> ...
>
> > The men who wrote the Bible were just as human and flawed as the rest
> > of us.
>
> Yes they were, but they didn't speak in their own power, see below.
I've looked. You provide no evidence.
> ...
> "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
> doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
> righteousness" 2 Timothy 3:16
>
> "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy
> men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:21
Yes that is what the word of men states. But what about the word of
God?
> > I already have faith in Jesus Christ. Why would you assume otherwise?
>
> Luke 6:46; Titus 1:15-16, for example.
So you let the word of men shape your thinking.
> By the way "Christian", lest you continue in your conceit: "the LORD
> will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain." (Exodus
> 20:5)
I have not taken the name in vain. I stated that I believe in Jesus
Christ because this is fact.
Miles Evans
If their parents were bigots, yes. If their parents were decent
people, no.
Homosexuality is repulsive and abhorrent to
> most hetero's, especially hetero men.
False. People's private life doesn't bother me at all.
Their attitudes and actions are
> understandable especially since rampant homosexual promiscuity leads
> them to aggressively approach heterosexual men for sex in bars and
> nightclubs.
Obviously, you have serious issues... on top of first-hand knowledge.
Get help.
>
> > They are poor
> > > role models for other homosexuals and subsequently i would think twice
> > > before start a friendship with a homosexual.-
>
> > And that would make you a bigot.
> > Would you say that about Blacks? Jews?
>
> This thead is not about blacks or jews. Please pay attention and do
> not attempt to change the subject.-
Thanks for proving that you're a bigoted asshole.
Peter B.
Yes. If what I experience and believe does not line up with His word then
it is in error. That does not mean He quotes me scripture but at times He
has reminded me of it.
Peter B.
It is truth, not truths. Yes, you will see many sects, your should be able
to tell the differences by their what the live. Not all are focused on the
same jewel, yet most are part of the same necklace. Those that are show the
common thread of love that ties the necklace together.
>>
>> A born again believer has the mind of Christ Jesus within. If you are not
>> born again then you don't. The gift of salvation is free, why not accept
>> Jesus as Saviour
>>
>
> What is involved in becoming born again? Define. And how does one know when
> they are born again?
Knowing that one has done wrong in their life, sin. Believing that Jesus is
the Son of God who came to die for your sins and rose from the dead that
you might have eternal life, then asking Jesus to come into your heart, ask
for the forgiveness of your sins, then confessing that to someone that you
have been saved/born again. For with the mouth confession is made towards
salvation and with the heart man believeth unto righteousness.
> No one has ever been certified as born again in human history.
Yes, every person that has been born again is sealed by the Holy Spirit as
a child of God. Sealed as when a king takes his signet ring and impresses
it into the wax on the joint of an envelope. No one is authorized to tamper
with it without His permission.
As to certified by humans, some would make a certificate for it, some write
the date and time down in the front of their Bibles, but as to an
organization outside the realm of the Church I know of none.
@tampabay.rr.com Pastor Dave
spake thusly:
Don't hold back Ted. Tell us how ya really feel. :)
--
Pastor Dave
"Read not to contradict and confute, nor to find talk
and discourse, but to weigh and consider."
-Sir Francis Bacon
@tampabay.rr.com Pastor Dave
thusly:
> The analogy you imagined had nothing
> to do with the issue.
You mean the issue you imagine up. The truth is,
people objecting to having homosexuals in the army
has nothing to do with homophobia. It does have
to do with not wanting to be forced to get naked
in front of people that are attracted to ones gender.
This is evident by the fact that you dodged the
question you were asked about whether or not
it would be okay with you, if your young daughter
was told that after gym class, she had to change
and shower with the guys in the same locker room.
Or are you, by your own standard, a heterophobe?
I mean, what if they had to work in a hospital and
saw genitals every day and had to do catheterizing
through the genital area and would not have a job
if their *thoughts* were solely about sex? :)
--
Pastor Dave
"The religion that does not begin at home, does not begin."
- Adrian Rogers
Sid9
"Pastor Dave" <newsgroup-mail @ tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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You are obsessed. Seek help.