On 16/12/2023 4:04 am, ChristRose wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Dec 2023 12:04:46 +1100,
> Michael Christ
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>> But you won't, and you don't go near scriptures like this...
>>
>> 1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil
>> sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was
>> manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
>> 1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed
>> remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> --Just a question here to help me
> understand your perspective on this.
> Which of these ideas comes closest to
> your understanding here:
>
> A) A true believer does not sin. Ever.
> Period. There is no sin at all in any
> part of his being or body. He walks
> about in sinless perfection, in the
> totality of his being, and in every
> regard.
>
> B) A true believer has a new nature
> which cannot sin. His physical body may
> sin, but it's not him sinning, it's his
> body (Romans 7:17).
>
> C) A true believer has a new nature
> which cannot sin. His old nature may
> sin, but it's not him sinning, it's his
> old nature (Romans 7:17).
>
> D) Other (please explain)
D) None of the above, but bits of all of the above. Obviously, I cut
and pasted below so I can comment within your words.
I just love the way you approach things. Stay open, receptive,
objective, keep asking (it will be given), seeking (you will see), and
knocking (opened), and John 1:47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and
saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! Please
forgive me when I say, make sure to stay out of the Robert Religion
death-guile.
Also, it wouldn't be complicated, but I want to talk to you on the
newsgroup about King David and Job also at some point. It relates to the
God knowing all our "framework" since the foundation of the world; what
we were, what we are, but God always looks forward to what we will be -
within our time-frame, that is.
> --Just a question here to help me
> understand your perspective on this.
> Which of these ideas comes closest to
> your understanding here:
>
> A) A true believer does not sin.
> Ever.
> Period.
A true believer is a true believer. If you say a true believer is born
again, sure, he does not sin, ever, period. He is a new creature and
all the old has passed away. Or he loves God with ===>>> ALL <<<=== his
heart, soul, and mind; all his being.
The Lord Jesus has to wrought that in a man for that to be a reality,
though. No amount of da bible learnin' can bring that to pass.
He is the potter, we are the clay; clay with a choice, nonetheless.
Or, just a final thought as I checked what I wrote, would you throw your
child into a fire? Is it because you cannot?
What if you were sweating drops of blood?
> There is no sin at all in any
> part of his being or body.
We are spiritual beings with dying, sin-death decreed physical bodies.
The fruit of sin is ravaging our body, our flesh - our bodies of death.
So too is the universe, we are in a "body" of death.
Hey, this is an interesting thought, there ain't much going on on the
moon, but what if in the beginning before the fall there was? And all
the other planets? Which means there is nothing out there or if there
was, they, it, whatever would be subject to the same "body" of death
that we are.
> He walks
> about in sinless perfection, in the
> totality of his being, and in every
> regard.
"Sinless perfection" is a nonsensical term on a number of levels,
including what is mentioned above, because it's unclear to what extent
is one referring: the spirit, the body of death, or both? It is an
engineered, emotive, manipulation by individuals with an agenda in
making meaning mean what they want it to mean.
Righteousness is righteousness, and unrighteousness is unrighteousness.
There is no comfy continuum in between - that is JW James' fantasy
world, and unfortunately, with a great deal of others.
Rev_22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is
filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be
righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
> B) A true believer has a new nature
> which cannot sin.
In that definition, absolutely. But understand this clearly, "cannot
sin" is like the negative of a colour picture. The new heart and the
right spirit finds it impossible to not love his God.
Love conquers all.
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things,
endureth all things.
> His physical body may
> sin, but it's not him sinning, it's his
> body (Romans 7:17).
18, Paul tells the reader, "For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh)..."
The physical body is just a physical body; sin comes from the heart.
For example, "in your heart you know something is true." Or, everyone
in their hearts know God exists - He cannot be denied because everyone
was made in His image.
The search for meaning in man relentlessly continues; a groaning of the
heart, but the physical heart is just an electrical, muscular organ and
as such has nothing to do with the ACT of sin.
> C) A true believer has a new nature
> which cannot sin. His old nature may
> sin, but it's not him sinning, it's his
> old nature (Romans 7:17).
Then the old nature (carnal desires out of the spirit of a man) has not
passed away. Non-crucified.
2Co_5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old
things are passed away; behold, all things are become new (spirit).
We are spiritual beings made in the image of our Creator.
Gal_6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing,
nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
A true believer (born again) has a new nature which finds it impossible
not to love his God. 1Co 13:13 And now ===>>> abideth <<<=== faith,
hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
By the way, I just spotted this relating to the other discussion...
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in
part shall be done away.
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a
child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away
childish things.
2 Timothy 3:16 to become 2 Timothy 3:17.
> D) Other (please explain)
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Michael Christ
> --
> Have you heard the good news that Christ
> died for our sins (†), and God raised
> Him from the dead?