FRUIT FLIES SPEAK UP AND BOY ARE THEY PISSED
Richard Dawkins
Yes, fruit flies speak up! They want to tell you that they, and their
ancestors for nearly a century, have given their health and very lives to
the cause of disproving evolutionary theory. The facts are in. Evolution is
a fake. The fruit flies tell you so.
A NEW SPECIES IS NEVER PRODUCED
The fruit flies always remain fruit flies.
After decades of study, without immediately killing or sterilizing them, 400
different mutational features have been identified in fruit flies. But none
of these changes the fruit fly to a different species.
"Out of 400 mutations that have been provided by Drosophila melanogaster,
there is not one that can be called a new species. It does not seem,
therefore, that the central problem of evolution can be solved by
mutations."-*Maurice Caullery, Genetics and Heredity (1964), p. 119.
*"Richard Goldschmidt fell into despair. The changes, he lamented, were so
hopelessly micro [insignificant] that if a thousand mutations were combined
in one specimen, there would still be no new species."-Norman Macbeth,
Darwin Retried (1971), p. 33.
A thousand known fruit-fly mutations placed in one individual-would still
not produce a new species!
"In the best-known organisms, like Drosophila, innumerable mutants are
known. If we were able to combine a thousand or more of such mutants in a
single individual, this still would have no resemblance whatsoever to any
type known as a [new] species in nature."-*Richard B. Goldschmidt,
"Evolution, As Viewed by One Geneticist," American Scientist, January 1952,
p. 94.
The obstinate, stubborn little creatures!
"Fruit flies refuse to become anything but fruit flies under any
circumstances yet devised."-*Francis Hitching, The Neck of the Giraffe:
Where Darwin Went Wrong (1982), p. 61.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE MUTATED FRUIT FLIES?
We have had opportunity to clearly learn what mutations do to a physical
organism.
Fruit flies which receive mutations are always weakened in one way or
another.
"The clear-cut mutants of Drosophila, with which so much of the classical
research in genetics were done, are almost without exception inferior to
wild-type flies in viability, fertility, longevity."-*Theodosius Dobzhansky,
Heredity and the Nature of Man (1964), p. 126.
The mutated creatures die out, when placed out in nature with normal hardy
specimens.
"A review of known facts about their ability to survive has led to no other
conclusion than that they [the mutated offspring] are always
constitutionally weaker than their parent form or species, and in a
population with free competition they are eliminated . . Therefore they are
never found in nature (e.g. not a single one of the several hundred [types]
of Drosophila mutation), and therefore, they are able to appear only in the
favorable environment of the experimental field or laboratory."-*H. Nilsson,
Synthetische Artbildng (1957), p. 1186.
The classical example of the damaging effects of mutations is to be found in
what scientists have done to fruit flies by inducing mutations in them.
"Most mutants which arise in any organism are more or less disadvantageous
to their possessors. The classical mutants obtained in Drosophila usually
show deterioration, breakdown, or disappearance of some organs. Mutants are
known which diminish the quantity or destroy the pigment in the eyes, and in
the body reduce the wings, eyes, bristles, legs. Many mutants are, in fact
lethal to their possessors. Mutants which equal the normal fly in vigor are
a minority, and mutants that would make a major improvement of the normal
organization in the normal environments are unknown."-*Theodosius
Dobzhansky, Evolution, Genetics, and Man (1955), p. 105.
No new-species fruit flies have ever resulted from sixty years of
irradiation the poor creatures.
"It is a striking, but not much mentioned fact that, though geneticists have
been breeding fruit flies for sixty years or more in labs all round the
world-flies which produce a new generation every eleven days-they have never
yet seen the emergence of a new species or even a new enzyme."-*Gordon R.
Taylor, The Great Evolution Mystery (1983), p. 48.
Pitman says the experiments have only produced geneticists' monsters.
"Take the example of fruit flies (Drosophila). Morgan, Goldschmidt, Muller,
and other geneticists have subjected generations of fruit flies to extreme
conditions of heat, cold, light, dark, and treatment by chemicals and
radiation. All sorts of mutations, practically all trivial or positively
deleterious, have been produced. Man-made evolution? Not really: Few of the
geneticists' monsters could have survived outside the bottles they were bred
in. In practice mutants die, are sterile, or tend to revert to the wild
type."-*Michael Pitman, Adam and Evolution (1984), p. 70.
SUMMARY
Once a fruit fly, always a fruit fly.
The following news article sums it all up. Notice the fact that, in those
instances in which damaged fruit flies survive long enough, they change back
into regular fruit flies-even those without eyes!
"For 80 years scientists have been experimenting with the lowly fruit fly
(Drosophila), trying to prove that all life on planet earth is the result of
a series of `good accidents.'
"Evolutionists, through a marvelous leap of faith, believe that the almost
endless variety and complexity of plants and animals `evolved' from an
ancient pool of `primordial soup.'
"How do they believe this is possible? By millions and billions of
accidents. For example, an early fish might accidentally grow a new kind of
fin which helped him swim faster and escape his enemies. Then his fins might
accidentally turn to legs he could use to walk on land, and so on.
"All this is based on a faith by the evolutionists that somehow, somewhere a
gene changed to give this higher life form. It has to be faith, because
there is yet no evidence that when genes have accidents (called mutations),
that is for the better.
"The evidence is overwhelming that such accidents either make the gene worse
or, at best, no better than the original.
"After all, how often do you see a car run faster and more smoothly after a
head-on collision?
"Well, back to fruit flies. Because fruit flies reproduce many generations
in a very short time, scientists picked them for the experiment hoping to
compress thousands of years of `evolution' into a few years of lab work.
"After 80 years and millions of generations of fruit flies subjected to X
rays and chemicals which cause mutations, all they have been able to produce
are more of the same: fruit flies.
"And-more importantly-they have all been no better or stronger, and many
have been weaker. All the changes eventually reached limits that, when
approached, the strains of the fruit flies grew progressively weaker and
died.
"And when the mutated strains were allowed to breed for several generations,
they gradually changed back to the original form.
"One experiment produced fruit flies without eyes. Yet, after a few life
cycles, flies with eyes began to appear. Some kind of genetic repair
mechanism took over and blocked any possibility of evolution.
"God was very careful in Genesis to state that each of the animals were
created `after his kind.' After 80 years and millions of generations, God
was proven right: A fruit fly will always be a fruit fly."-"Evolutionists
Still Looking for a `Good Accident,' " Battle Cry, July-August, 1990.
--
~There are no true atheists in Christian newsgroups.~
~Science is infallible but those hiding behind it are not~
Thurisaz the Einherjer
> A NEW SPECIES IS NEVER PRODUCED
> The fruit flies always remain fruit flies.
Aaaah, the idiocy... *rolls on floor laughing, biting the carpet, scaring
the rat*
--
Romans 2:24 revised:
"For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you
cretinists, as it is written on aig."
aaa
"Richard Dawkins" <Daw...@Hell.com> wrote in message
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> "God was very careful in Genesis to state that each of the animals were
> created `after his kind.' After 80 years and millions of generations, God
> was proven right: A fruit fly will always be a fruit fly"
....and given the chance, most flies prefer fresh shitpiles every time!
Praise "Bob"! www.subgenius.com
"You'll PAY to KNOW what you really THINK"
- JR "Bob" Dobbs 1961
JPG
(Apologies to most Americans who will not see the humour).).
Ingeniur
"Richard Dawkins" <Daw...@Hell.com> wrote in message
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>
> Yes, fruit flies speak up! They want to tell you that they, and their
> ancestors for nearly a century, have given their health and very lives to
> the cause of disproving evolutionary theory. The facts are in. Evolution
is
> a fake. The fruit flies tell you so.
>
>
the meantime have a look at bacteria and viruses.
Oh - and rememeber it's the red tablet in the morning and the blue one at
night.
Ing
Richard Dawkins
"Ingeniur" <i...@ingers.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Richard Dawkins" <Daw...@Hell.com> wrote in message
> news:_87of.65$Vd6....@news.uswest.net...
>> http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/10mut10.htm
>>
>> Yes, fruit flies speak up! They want to tell you that they, and their
>> ancestors for nearly a century, have given their health and very lives to
>> the cause of disproving evolutionary theory. The facts are in. Evolution
> is
>> a fake. The fruit flies tell you so.
>>
>>
> Yep - hang around for a few more million years though if you have time. In
> the meantime have a look at bacteria and viruses.
The subject is evoluiton and not mutation.
Nice try though.
> Oh - and rememeber it's the red tablet in the morning and the blue one at
> night.
>
> Ing
>
Translation: I have no refutation to this post nor can think for myself so
I'll just hurl insults.
The Truth Squad
decended from Homo Megasoreass Erectus into a slightly intelligent
hiuman being..
BUT DON'T BET THE FARM ON THAT ONE
naebad
http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.0030381
Mutational (genetic) robustness is phenotypic constancy in the face of
mutational changes to the genome. Robustness is critical to the
understanding of evolution because phenotypically expressed genetic
variation is the fuel of natural selection. Nonetheless, the evidence
for adaptive evolution of mutational robustness in biological
populations is controversial. Robustness should be selectively favored
when mutation rates are high, a common feature of RNA viruses. However,
selection for robustness may be relaxed under virus co-infection
because complementation between virus genotypes can buffer mutational
effects. We therefore hypothesized that selection for genetic
robustness in viruses will be weakened with increasing frequency of
co-infection. To test this idea, we used populations of RNA phage ϕ6
that were experimentally evolved at low and high levels of co-infection
and subjected lineages of these viruses to mutation accumulation
through population bottlenecking. The data demonstrate that viruses
evolved under high co-infection show relatively greater mean magnitude
and variance in the fitness changes generated by addition of random
mutations, confirming our hypothesis that they experience weakened
selection for robustness. Our study further suggests that co-infection
of host cells may be advantageous to RNA viruses only in the short
term. In addition, we observed higher mutation frequencies in the more
robust viruses, indicating that evolution of robustness might foster
less-accurate genome replication in RNA viruses.
David Jensen
>
>"Ingeniur" <i...@ingers.com> wrote in message
>news:K1eof.8226$vH5.4...@news.xtra.co.nz...
>>
>> "Richard Dawkins" <Daw...@Hell.com> wrote in message
>> news:_87of.65$Vd6....@news.uswest.net...
>>> http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/10mut10.htm
>>>
>>> Yes, fruit flies speak up! They want to tell you that they, and their
>>> ancestors for nearly a century, have given their health and very lives to
>>> the cause of disproving evolutionary theory. The facts are in. Evolution
>> is
>>> a fake. The fruit flies tell you so.
>>>
>>>
>> Yep - hang around for a few more million years though if you have time. In
>> the meantime have a look at bacteria and viruses.
>
>The subject is evoluiton and not mutation.
>Nice try though.
Your ignorance is noted.
Wim Morrison
a...@aaa.us says...
Fruit flies like a banana.
--
Wim Morrison
ab...@html.com.au
Richard Dawkins
"naebad" <minn...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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You really need to get out and read some more... sigh!!
http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.0030381
snip
sigh...and so do you!!
Five Major Evolutionist Misconceptions
about Evolution
http://www.trueorigin.org/isakrbtl.asp
Ingeniur
"Richard Dawkins" <Daw...@Hell.com> wrote in message
permissable to question. In religion you jusy make a statement 'God made
everything' and that's it. You don't believe that and tough luck.
There is not a shread of evidence for a Deity of any sort so it requires
faith and this is where we differ (apart from the fact you're a complete
Twat of course).
Ing
Michael Gray
<j_peasemold_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>They should lay off the rotten and fermenting fruit, then.
>
>(Apologies to most Americans who will not see the humour).).
No wucken furries, mate!
I got it.
(An it don't half itch.)
Bobbo
>Yes that's interesting but remember Science works like this - it is
permissable to question. In religion you jusy make a statement 'God
made
everything' and that's it. You don't believe that and tough luck.
There is not a shread of evidence for a Deity of any sort so it
requires
faith and this is where we differ (apart from the fact you're a
complete
Twat of course).
Oscar Wilde would have been proud of that one ! (it made me laugh out
loud in the office btw)
jacob navia
a fruit fly told me that you believe that everything must have been
created by some "intelligent designer" isn't it?
Who made the designer then?
Because, just following your logic, the designer must have
been created by someone... Such a good designer can't just
appear by chance, it must have been designed too. You do
not believe in evolution of intelligent designers surely :-)
Then, we have the intelligent design of intelligent designers.
And who made *those* designers then?
Ad infinitum.
Happy Holidays Mr Dawkins
jacob
Richard Dawkins
"jacob navia" <ja...@jacob.remcomp.fr> wrote in message
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> Hi Mr Dawkings
>
> a fruit fly told me that you believe that everything must have been
> created by some "intelligent designer" isn't it?
>
> Who made the designer then?
The designer needed no designer.
Thats why they call him God.
>
> Because, just following your logic, the designer must have
> been created by someone... Such a good designer can't just
> appear by chance, it must have been designed too. You do
> not believe in evolution of intelligent designers surely :-)
>
(slap)
And following your logic you attempt to turn the table by avoiding the main
topic.
Why...that is so very God-Hater of you :0)
jacob navia
>
> The designer needed no designer.
> Thats why they call him God.
SO, you believe that something can evolve without needing a designer
to exist, isn't it?
Then, why it can't be that life designs itself?
I.e. EVOLVES????
Religion is the root of all evil.
jacob
Richard Dawkins
Faulty premise,
There is no *evolution*.
btw, your God-Hater is showing.
David Jensen
You claim that, but the evidence has long since proven that you are
wrong.
>btw, your God-Hater is showing.
How can people hate something that is not? Now, I can see how some
people can hate the fake followers of Jesus who pollute America with
their lies, their self-righteousness, their hateful attitude toward
others, their rejection of Jesus's teachings, and their smug refusal to
learn.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
been trained well...
"Richard Dawkins" <Daw...@Hell.com> wrote in message
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Sanity's little helper
What this jerk is doing is proving the real Richard Dawkins right about
religion, and I've been saying it at least 20 years longer than he has. The
breathtaking arrogance of the intellectual perverts who cling to religion
four centuries into the modern era is only surpassed by their dishonesty,
and they are collectively responsible for things like 9/11, 7/7 Waco,
Oklahoma, Jonestown etc. etc. etc.
--
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208, HB #6
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
"Richard Dawkins" <Daw...@Hell.com> wrote in message
So you drive a "Model T" or is it a "Model A" ? Wait, the horse carriage,
never evolved into a horseless one !
Sanity's Little Helper
> "Richard Dawkins" <Daw...@Hell.com> wrote in message
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