What Will Republicans Do if Health Care Passes?
John Manning
Ron Brownstein notes that if President Obama does sign a health care
reform bill, "which appears more likely than not, Republicans will face
a momentous choice between consolidation and repudiation -- between
accepting the new program and seeking to dismantle it.
The alternative paths are neatly captured by the GOP's contrasting
reactions to the two central cords of America's existing social safety
net."
"After FDR got Social Security approved in 1935, Alf Landon, his
Republican challenger in 1936, denounced it... Roosevelt's landslide
victory over Landon (and subsequent re-elections) provided Social
Security the time to build impregnable support..."
"By contrast, Republicans largely accepted Medicare soon after
President Johnson signed it into law in 1965."
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/11/13/what_will_republicans_do_if_health_care_passes.html
Joe Bruno
Gain back the Congressional majority and repeal it at the first
opportunity.
JohnN
The GOP will wait for its success or failure. If it works they will
claim credit for the amendments they put in but voted against in the
final bill. That's win-win for them.
JohnN
Syd M.
In your dreams, fascist-wanna be.
PDW
John Manning
Uh-huh.
jcon
> Ron Brownstein notes that if President Obama does sign a health care
> reform bill, "which appears more likely than not, Republicans will face
> a momentous choice between consolidation and repudiation -- between
> accepting the new program and seeking to dismantle it.
>
They won't know until Fox News tells them.
-jc
> The alternative paths are neatly captured by the GOP's contrasting
> reactions to the two central cords of America's existing social safety
> net."
>
> "After FDR got Social Security approved in 1935, Alf Landon, his
> Republican challenger in 1936, denounced it... Roosevelt's landslide
> victory over Landon (and subsequent re-elections) provided Social
> Security the time to build impregnable support..."
>
> "By contrast, Republicans largely accepted Medicare soon after
> President Johnson signed it into law in 1965."
>
> http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/11/13/what_will_republicans_do...
Syd M.
Like I said, in his dreams, esp if the conservatives continue to act
as obstructionist.
PDW
SwordoZ
"Joe Bruno" <joeb...@usa.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 13, 1:53 pm, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
Gain back the Congressional majority and repeal it at the first
opportunity.
SoZ:
Gonna happen ... with interest.
SwordoZ
"Syd M." <pdwri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9b14b8a1-0f9d-4a6a...@d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
PDW
SoZ:
What are you smoking.
SwordoZ
"JohnN" <jnor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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JohnN
SoZ:
ehhhhh...... what amendments?
MarkA
That's easy: they'll insist that they need to become MORE "conservative",
and try to make themselves more appealing to the most radical fringe of
their dwindling constituency, until Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean
Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter, and my brother-in-law are the only
people left who still call themselves "Republicans".
--
MarkA
Keeper of the Butter Dish of Balshazar
SwordoZ
"John Manning" <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote in message
news:-9mdnaVo7sfDQWDX...@giganews.com...
SoZ:
Bet the north forty on it.
Logan Sacket
They will do the same thing as the Democrats do. Suffer higher health
care costs and live under the effects of Obama care.
Logan Sacket
As obstructionists to freedom?
Joe Bruno
> "Syd M." <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
These idiot Obama lovers think the whole fight will be over if this
healthcare crap passes this year...
How fucking dumb can they get?This battle will go on forever.
We might not be able to repeal it this year or next year, but there's
always 2011,2012,2013,2014..........etc.
Syd M.
> "Joe Bruno" <joebr...@usa.com> wrote in message
<Snort> Sure son. Whatever you say.
PDW
Syd M.
> "Syd M." <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
What are you?
PDW
Syd M.
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:35:39 -0800 (PST), "Syd M."
>
> >On Nov 13, 5:23 pm, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> >> Joe Bruno wrote:
> >> > On Nov 13, 1:53 pm, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
> >> > Gain back the Congressional majority and repeal it at the first
> >> > opportunity.
>
> >> Uh-huh.
>
> >Like I said, in his dreams, esp if the conservatives continue to act
> >as obstructionist.
>
> >PDW
>
> As obstructionists to freedom?
No.
Obstructionist to progress.
PDW
SwordoZ
What are you?
PDW
SoZ:
The reality of this debacle is that democrats are obstructing democrats.
Again ... what are you smoking?
SwordoZ
PDW
SoZ:
How long did you ponder that "eloquent" reply?.
SwordoZ
"Syd M." <pdwri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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PDW
SoZ:
Anyone know what *PDW* stands for?
Syd M.
> "Syd M." <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Look it up on Google, asshole; It's out there.
PDW
SwordoZ
PDW
SoZ:
I found "Post Democratic Woes". Is this what it means?
Dr. Smartass, Troll Veterinarian
c8b9d1...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
> On Nov 13, 1:53�pm, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
>
> Gain back the Congressional majority
BAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!
Yeah.
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panam...@hotmail.com
> "JohnN" <jnorri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
One restricting reproductive rights. Even a bunch of "Democrats" voted
up the restriction, since they care more about being re-elected than
they do about living in a modern society.
http://usliberals.about.com/od/healthcare/a/StupakAmendment.htm
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
Ike E 11/05/09
<panam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
> Even a bunch of "Democrats" voted up the restriction, since they care more
> about being re->
> elected than they do about living in a modern society.
LOL
Your "modern society" sucks.
Ike
The Chief Instigator
You're congenitally clueless, anonymous coward. The answer is right in
front of what's left of your eyes, and you still can't figure it out. If
there was a minimum-IQ standard for access to Usenet, you'd have been booted
out by now.
--
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LAST GAME: Houston 6, Lake Erie 0 (November 13)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, November 14 at Lake Erie, 12:05
Dr. Smartass, Troll Veterinarian
> On Nov 13, 3:02�pm, "SwordoZ" <mar...@enter.net> wrote:
>> "Syd M." <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:9b14b8a1-0f9d-4a6a...@d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com
>> ... On Nov 13, 5:23 pm, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>> > Joe Bruno wrote:
>> > > On Nov 13, 1:53 pm, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>> > > Gain back the Congressional majority and repeal it at the first
>> > > opportunity.
>>
>> > Uh-huh.
>>
>> Like I said, in his dreams, esp if the conservatives continue to act
>> as obstructionist.
>>
>> PDW
>>
>> SoZ:
>> What are you smoking.
>
> These idiot Obama lovers think the whole fight will be over if this
> healthcare crap passes this year...
> How fucking dumb can they get?This battle will go on forever.
> We might not be able to repeal it this year or next year, but there's
> always 2011
So what big elections happen in 2011, genius?
Is that when Mayberry gets a new shit-shoveler and replaces your sorry
ass? I wasn't aware that it was an elected position. Or do you simply
serve for the pleasure of it?
Dr. Smartass, Troll Veterinarian
@news.enter.net:
>
> "Joe Bruno" <joeb...@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:38010a84-8a42-410e-9f99-c8b9d1d662b0
@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 13, 1:53 pm, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
>
> Gain back the Congressional majority and repeal it at the first
> opportunity.
>
>
> SoZ:
> Gonna happen ... with interest.
You gomers were predicting a landslide for McCain't/Barbie. They kinda
got their asses handed to them on fine china.
Your powers of prediction--steeped deeply in wishful thinking--do not
impress.
panam...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> <panamfl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Shaddap, redneck. The adults are talking.
I'm so fucking tired of the land of my birth just being a Third World
nation with nukes (pretty ironic, since *we* are the ones who invented
the damn things, eh?), and I'm equally tired of you morons pretending
we're nothing else.
You inbred fucks wouldn't know a modern society if it took your
fucking Camaros off the cinderblocks, repainted the bitches, and
restored them to get you $22K at the Barrett-Jackson auction. It's a
shame, that...since such pathetic hopes are what you're hoping will
carry you through retirement...
A "modern" society is one where people are more important than money,
where the wealth is spread around enough that no one will pull a gun
on you to steal your shit, and where women & babies don't die in
childbirth.
The US fails on all of those tests.
http://ezinearticles.com/?Dealing-With-Insurance-Denials&id=1574617
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate
Ike, I've seen enough of your moronic ravings here in alt.atheism to
know that you're too fucking stupid to understand any path of thought
& discussion more complicated than "LETZ GO BLOW EM ALL UP!"
And spare me your fucking "LUB IT R LEEB IT!!" nonsense, shithead. I
do love the place, much more than my alleged "fellow citizens" that
are pussy enough to run away in these difficult times..
http://www.escapefromamerica.com/
If it weren't for the "liburls" you hate, your children would have
been working overtime sewing Levis.
http://www.continuetolearn.uiowa.edu/laborctr/child_labor/about/us_history.html
Now be a good boy. Go back to your moronic tax-free mental torture
centers (you call them "churches", IIRC), and stop pretending you're
educated enough about political issues to comment upon them. If your
"Christ" is so fucking important to you, perhaps you should spend more
time sucking his dick, instead of trying to vote. Read Matthew 22:20
through 22 again, idiot. Your god commands you to disengage from
political discussion, and just take it up the ass like a jailhouse
"bitch".
Alan Ford
> These idiot Obama lovers think the whole fight will be over if this
> healthcare crap passes this year...
> How fucking dumb can they get?This battle will go on forever.
> We might not be able to repeal it this year or next year, but there's
> always 2011,2012,2013,2014..........etc.
Yeah! Fuck those sick fucking people who can't afford healthcare. Fuck
them good!
--
If you don't beat your meat
You can't have any pudding
How can you have any pudding
If you don't beat your meat?
Darrin
> Ron Brownstein notes that if President Obama does sign a health care
> reform bill, "which appears more likely than not, Republicans will face
> a momentous choice between consolidation and repudiation -- between
> accepting the new program and seeking to dismantle it.
>
> The alternative paths are neatly captured by the GOP's contrasting
> reactions to the two central cords of America's existing social safety
> net."
>
> "After FDR got Social Security approved in 1935, Alf Landon, his
> Republican challenger in 1936, denounced it... Roosevelt's landslide
> victory over Landon (and subsequent re-elections) provided Social
> Security the time to build impregnable support..."
>
> "By contrast, Republicans largely accepted Medicare soon after
> President Johnson signed it into law in 1965."
>
> http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/11/13/what_will_republicans_do...
Is Obama aware of England's National State Run Health Care system?
LOL! Lack of adequate doctors (particularly dentists), and routine X-
rays/appointments that take weeks to months. They are literally
pulling out their own teeth in the streets! ehe I kibbitz you not! eh
One paper had a Brit on its cover, tooth and pliers in hand!eheh -D,
NYC "The Jew is the emblem of eternity. He who neither slaughter nor
torture of thousands of years could destroy, he who neither fire, nor
sword, nor Inquisition was able to wipe off the face of the earth. He
who was the first to produce the Oracles of God. He who has been for
so long the Guardian of Prophecy and has transmitted it to the rest of
the world. Such a nation cannot be destroyed. The Jew is as
everlasting as Eternity itself" - LEO TOLSTOY.."Think Yiddish, dress
British!" - Popular MADISON AVE slogan.."In New York, even if you're
Catholic, you're Jewish. If you live in Butte, Montana, you're going
to be Goyish, even if you're Jewish!" ehe - LENNY BRUCE (b. Leonard
Alfred Schneider, umpteenth sweet, Jewish NYer).."Christianity has
deluged the world with blood & tears - Judaism has caused neither for
religion's sake" - MARK TWAIN.."Five Jewish men influenced the history
of Western civilization: Moses said the law is everything. Jesus said
love is everything. Marx said capital is everything. Freud said sex is
everything. Einstein said everything is relative" eheee.."Hebraic
mortar cemented the foundations of American democracy" - WILLIAM
LECKY, Historian.."Western civilization is undeniably a 'Jewified'
civilization, however offensive the word may be to our ears because of
the ugly use made of it by anti-Semites - anti-Semites believed that
Jews were everywhere, and in a sense they were almost everywhere that
counted in modern society" - ALBERT LINDEMANN in Esau's Tears: Modern
anti-Semitism and the Rise of the Jews
rrrzzzooo4
> On Nov 13, 4:53 pm, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Ron Brownstein notes that if President Obama does sign a health care
> > reform bill, "which appears more likely than not, Republicans will face
> > a momentous choice between consolidation and repudiation -- between
> > accepting the new program and seeking to dismantle it.
>
> > The alternative paths are neatly captured by the GOP's contrasting
> > reactions to the two central cords of America's existing social safety
> > net."
>
> > "After FDR got Social Security approved in 1935, Alf Landon, his
> > Republican challenger in 1936, denounced it... Roosevelt's landslide
> > victory over Landon (and subsequent re-elections) provided Social
> > Security the time to build impregnable support..."
>
> > "By contrast, Republicans largely accepted Medicare soon after
> > President Johnson signed it into law in 1965."
>
> >http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/11/13/what_will_republicans_do...
>
> Is Obama aware of England's National State Run Health Care system?
So you claim to be a NYC Jewish Democrat but you're AGAINST Obama's
healthcare? <facepalm>
Darrin, why did you accuse me of leaving crickets behind, only to run
away yourself a few days later?!! Epic AOL fail.
> LOL! Lack of adequate doctors (particularly dentists), and routine X-
> rays/appointments that take weeks to months. They are literally
> pulling out their own teeth in the streets! ehe I kibbitz you not! eh
> One paper had a Brit on its cover, tooth and pliers in hand!eheh -D,
> NYC "The Jew is the emblem of eternity. He who neither slaughter nor
> torture of thousands of years could destroy, he who neither fire, nor
> sword, nor Inquisition was able to wipe off the face of the earth. He
> who was the first to produce the Oracles of God. He who has been for
> so long the Guardian of Prophecy and has transmitted it to the rest of
> the world. Such a nation cannot be destroyed. The Jew is as
> everlasting as Eternity itself" - LEO TOLSTOY..
Why don't you acknowledge the quote where Einstein said Jews are
nothing special?
"Think Yiddish, dress
> British!" - Popular MADISON AVE slogan.."In New York, even if you're
> Catholic, you're Jewish. If you live in Butte, Montana, you're going
> to be Goyish, even if you're Jewish!" ehe - LENNY BRUCE (b. Leonard
> Alfred Schneider, umpteenth sweet, Jewish NYer).
False. Jews in NYC are "Goyified". They're NOT keeping Kosher.
They're NOT marrying Jewesses. They ARE driving around in GERMAN
cars. They ARE speaking ENGLISH.
."Christianity has
> deluged the world with blood & tears - Judaism has caused neither for
> religion's sake" - MARK TWAIN.."Five Jewish men influenced the history
> of Western civilization: Moses said the law is everything. Jesus said
> love is everything. Marx said capital is everything. Freud said sex is
> everything. Einstein said everything is relative" eheee.."Hebraic
> mortar cemented the foundations of American democracy" - WILLIAM
> LECKY, Historian.."Western civilization is undeniably a 'Jewified'
> civilization,
You still haven't explained this. This is a Gentile country in a
Gentile world Learn it, live it!
So Darrin, you're officially retreating again, but will you be
ignoring me? We'll just have to wait and see. Of course I've heard
you say that before.
Remember Darrin, anything Jew can do we can do better! Gentiles 99%
of the population and the best at 99% of everything!
SwordoZ
<panam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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SoZ:
Ahhhhhh ... continue.
SwordoZ
"The Chief Instigator" <pat...@io.com> wrote in message
news:slrnhfsnhg....@eris.io.com...
SoZ:
I also found "PTS". Help me ... what does that mean.
The Chief Instigator
I guess initials are a mystery to you. --PLH
SwordoZ
"Dr. Smartass, Troll Veterinarian" <gek...@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote
in message news:Xns9CC3123AC978...@216.196.97.131...
> "SwordoZ" <mar...@enter.net> wrote in news:4afde518$0$4059$cd3e3bf6
> @news.enter.net:
>
>>
>> "Joe Bruno" <joeb...@usa.com> wrote in message
>> news:38010a84-8a42-410e-9f99-c8b9d1d662b0
> @j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 13, 1:53 pm, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Gain back the Congressional majority and repeal it at the first
>> opportunity.
>>
>>
>> SoZ:
>> Gonna happen ... with interest.
> You gomers were predicting a landslide for McCain't/Barbie. They kinda
> got their asses handed to them on fine china.
SoZ:
They didn't impress. I betcha you had "goosebumps" running down your leg
like "screeching" matthews on msnbc ... didn't you?
> Your powers of prediction--steeped deeply in wishful thinking--do not
> impress.
SoZ:
When it happens, and *mark* my words it's going to, who are you going to
point fingers for your demise politically .... the astro-turfers,
tea-baggers, right-wingers, beck, limbaugh, hannity, seasoned citizens and
anyone else with a sense of reality?
> Hey, GOPpers: Grab a Mop!
SoZ:
I suggest you go and buy one as well because you are going to have to help
clean up this mess as well whether you want to or not.
SwordoZ
SoZ:
Guess some more. "Pretty Light Headed" .... is that what it means?
SwordoZ
<panam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 14, 2:18 am, "Ike E 11/05/09" <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> <panamfl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4c7bb238-a68a-42fe...@d5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
A "modern" society is one where people are more important than money,
SoZ:
Agree.
where the wealth is spread around enough that no one will pull a gun
on you to steal your shit,
SoZ:
But here's where the argument begins.
You mean the answer is to give someone part of someone elses wealth to teach
them to sit home, do nothing, procreate, steal, use guns to kill and drug
themselves to death as their children while their children continue the same
vicious cycle .... all in the name of "compassionate" wealth
re-distribution ... huh?
Re-distribution has been in effect for some fifty years and it's proven a
travesty concerning the human condition.
and where women & babies don't die in
childbirth.
SoZ:
agree.
tirebiter
>
> SoZ:
> When it happens, and *mark* my words it's going to, who are you going to
> point fingers for your demise politically .... the astro-turfers,
> tea-baggers, right-wingers, beck, limbaugh, hannity, seasoned citizens and
> anyone else with a sense of reality?
>
How nice for the insurance companies to get shills like you to protect
the corporate stranglehold over the cost and availability of health
care, while fighting against your own self interests like this.
BTW, do you understand what is meant in this context by "astro-
turfers"? Read my previous sentence again for a clue. Hint, it is
not a good thing to be one.
---
a.a. #2273
SwordoZ
"tirebiter" <dontsp...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:e9e00218-3d67-4f93...@p19g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 14, 9:37 am, "SwordoZ" <mar...@enter.net> wrote:
>
> SoZ:
> When it happens, and *mark* my words it's going to, who are you going to
> point fingers for your demise politically .... the astro-turfers,
> tea-baggers, right-wingers, beck, limbaugh, hannity, seasoned citizens and
> anyone else with a sense of reality?
How nice for the insurance companies to get shills like you to protect.
SoZ:
Am not speaking for nor protecting anyone.
the corporate stranglehold over the cost and availability of health
care, while fighting against your own self interests like this.
SoZ: The answer ... insurance competion between state lines. What's so
difficult about that?
BTW, do you understand what is meant in this context by "astro-
turfers"?
SoZ:
Your attempting to paint "astro-turfers" (citizens) again with a fallicious
out of context term. You seemingly are demeaning people just for
disagreeing..
Read my previous sentence again for a clue. Hint, it is
not a good thing to be one.
SoZ:
You don't consider the Goldman Sachs, GE, Unions, the Liberal establishment
and admitted Communist/Socialists of the world being "shills" in the "Waffle
House"?
You believe on the one hand it's not a good thing to be categorized as a
astro-turf or a corporate "shill" .... but yet on the other hand you
apparently have no problem and believe it's a good thing to have special
interest "shills" in the "Waffle House".
Your out of touch with the real world my friend.
---
a.a. #2273
Mike Painter
fight to keep it, just as they do everything else that is like it was in the
good old days.
I remember walking into a grocery store a bit after 9/11 and laughing
outloud.
Most of the clerks and a lot of others were wearing clothing that looked
like it had been made from a flag.
These ware the same peopel that condemned such an act during the Vietnam
era.
Syd
> "Syd M." <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:67cbe033-c4cf-4ca8...@d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 14, 12:01 am, "SwordoZ" <mar...@enter.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Syd M." <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:f5671116-6a90-43c8...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> > On Nov 13, 6:00 pm, "SwordoZ" <mar...@enter.net> wrote:
>
> > > "Joe Bruno" <joebr...@usa.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:38010a84-8a42-410e...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Nov 13, 1:53 pm, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
> > > Gain back the Congressional majority and repeal it at the first
> > > opportunity.
>
> > > SoZ:
> > > Gonna happen ... with interest.
>
> > <Snort> Sure son. Whatever you say.
>
> > PDW
>
> > SoZ:
> > Anyone know what *PDW* stands for?
>
> Look it up on Google, asshole; It's out there.
>
> PDW
>
> SoZ:
> I found "Post Democratic Woes". Is this what it means?
More liberal baiting; Is that all you got?
PDW
Syd
> "The Chief Instigator" <patr...@io.com> wrote in messagenews:slrnhftg2u....@eris.io.com...> >> "The Chief Instigator" <patr...@io.com> wrote in message
Initials, idiot... Like a name... Like what he illustrated..?
PDW
Logan Sacket
<pdwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Nov 13, 7:35�pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:35:39 -0800 (PST), "Syd M."
>>
>> <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On Nov 13, 5:23�pm, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>> >> Joe Bruno wrote:
>> >> > On Nov 13, 1:53 pm, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>
>> >> > Gain back the Congressional majority and repeal it at the first
>> >> > opportunity.
>>
>> >> Uh-huh.
>>
>> >Like I said, in his dreams, esp if the conservatives continue to act
>> >as obstructionist.
>>
>> >PDW
>>
>> As obstructionists to freedom?
>
>No.
>Obstructionist to progress.
>
>PDW
When liberals are around , obstruction to the freedom is the same
thing as progress
Logan Sacket
wrote:
You have to realize that this has nothing to do with health care.
It is about taking your freedom from you. Once they get socialize
health care, they can control more of you life.
If all it was, was to insure the uninsured, there are simple ways of
doing that, and it would cost everyone less as well.
The Chief Instigator
So, you're too clueless to read the .signature? Maybe you'll luck out on
guessing it someday.
--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Lake Erie 3, Houston 1 (November 14)
NEXT GAME: Sunday, November 15 vs. Chicago, 4:05
The Chief Instigator
>
> More liberal baiting; Is that all you got?
>
> PDW
He appears to have a sizable cave between his ears.
Darrin
> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:25:54 -0800 (PST), Darrin <darrin...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Is Obama aware of England's National State Run Health Care system?
> >LOL! Lack of adequate doctors (particularly dentists), and routine X-
> >rays/appointments that take weeks to months. They are literally
> >pulling out their own teeth in the streets! ehe I kibbitz you not! eh>
> Cites from named sources?>>
You actually need cites/sites to know that dentistry is practically
non-existent in bloody old England? eh Are you like my cyberstalker
extraordinaire?eh ie. I have to continue telling him that Einstein is
still the smartest man of the 20th century and beyond!heeheh BTW,
those nasty British choppers are no stereotype!eh Poor nutrition
(specifically during WW II - lack of vegetables) + inadequate
dentistry + poor hygiene (most of Europe is smegma-strewn!ehe) =
Austin Powers!ehe But alas, here's the cite/site (eh): http://tinyurl.com/c5nvhc
rrrzzzooo4
> On Nov 14, 10:51 am, Don Martin <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:25:54 -0800 (PST), Darrin <darrin...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >Is Obama aware of England's National State Run Health Care system?
> > >LOL! Lack of adequate doctors (particularly dentists), and routine X-
> > >rays/appointments that take weeks to months. They are literally
> > >pulling out their own teeth in the streets! ehe I kibbitz you not! eh>
> > Cites from named sources?>>
>
> You actually need cites/sites to know that dentistry is practically
> non-existent in bloody old England?
You're taking movies and humor WAAAAAAY too seriously. Of course you
don't have any "facts" to back up your claims.
eh Are you like my cyberstalker
> extraordinaire?eh ie. I have to continue telling him that Einstein is
> still the smartest man of the 20th century and beyond!heeheh
Da Vinci, Edison, Hawking, DARWIN, etc.
BTW,
> those nasty British choppers are no stereotype!eh Poor nutrition
> (specifically during WW II - lack of vegetables)
So they had bad teeth 70 years ago because of the war? What about
NOW?
+ inadequate
> dentistry + poor hygiene (most of Europe is smegma-strewn!ehe) =
> Austin Powers!ehe But alas, here's the cite/site (eh):http://tinyurl.com/c5nvhc
So you're talking 1 isolated incident as the norm for an entire
country? Yet Jews are marrying shiksas at a whopping 50 PERCENT and
that's just a rare exception!? WOW, what logic!
So is this it Darrin, are you ignoring me forever now? Remember,
ignoring = defeat.
Syd
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:02:32 -0800 (PST), "Syd M."
>
>
>
> >On Nov 13, 7:35 pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
> >> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:35:39 -0800 (PST), "Syd M."
>
> >> <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >On Nov 13, 5:23 pm, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> >> >> Joe Bruno wrote:
> >> >> > On Nov 13, 1:53 pm, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>
> >> >> > Gain back the Congressional majority and repeal it at the first
> >> >> > opportunity.
>
> >> >> Uh-huh.
>
> >> >Like I said, in his dreams, esp if the conservatives continue to act
> >> >as obstructionist.
>
> >> >PDW
>
> >> As obstructionists to freedom?
>
> >No.
> >Obstructionist to progress.
>
> >PDW
>
> When liberals are around , obstruction to the freedom is the same
> thing as progress
More lies and hate.
PDW
Syd
Yep. And a bigger one below his nose.
PDW
SwordoZ
"Syd" <pdwri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2ae2d8bd-4182-463f...@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
Initials, idiot...
SoZ:
That's what he gave me.
Like a name...
SoZ:
I understand. Isn't "Pretty Light Headed" indicative of a name?
Like what he illustrated..?
SoZ:
I did what he illustrated as follows:
I asked what *PDW* stood for ... *then* the first thing he does is call me
an "asshole" for no apparent reason.
I stated "Post Democratic Woes" ... *then* apparently this struck a nerve of
sorts because he refers to me as being a "congenitally clueless, anonymous
coward".
I mentioned "PTS". That didn't suit either ... *then* he stated ... "I
guess initials are a mystery to you and ended it with -- ... "PLH".
*Then* I guessed as he opined and came up with ... "Pretty Light Headed"
... which is an accurate illustration of what the the initials ... "PLH" ...
stood for.
SoZ
SwordoZ
More liberal baiting;
SoZ:
Looks like you've got a full stomach for now.
Is that all you got?
SoZ:
Wait until 2010 and 2012 when your stomachs going to be a bit empty.
SoZ:
SwordoZ
SoZ:
I believe it accurately describes the nature of the "signature" of an
instigator. I'm helping you out and you don't comprehend.
SwordoZ
SoZ:
Fearful of engaging what's in the cave?
SwordoZ
"Syd" <pdwri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e9eb2c87-25a5-4156...@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
SoZ:
Fearful of engaging what comes out of the *bigger* cave?
The Chief Instigator
You're about as helpful as a screen door on a submarine.
--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Chicago 2, Houston 1 (November 15)
NEXT GAME: Wednesday, November 18 vs. Peoria, 7:05
The Chief Instigator
If it's that big, that's your personal problem.
--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
Syd
> "Syd" <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
I called you an asshole because your acting like one.
And making up stuff for my initials is not going to help.
PDW
Syd
> "Syd" <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
IOW, no, you've got nothing.
Just another loudmouthed troll.
PDW
Syd
> "Syd" <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Yes, you do have a fear of engaging.
PDW
panam...@hotmail.com
> <panamfl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:c672c81b-e45f-4ed3...@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 14, 2:18 am, "Ike E 11/05/09" <xhermaneicklebe...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > <panamfl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:4c7bb238-a68a-42fe...@d5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> A "modern" society is one where people are more important than money,
>
> SoZ:
> Agree.
>
> where the wealth is spread around enough that no one will pull a gun
> on you to steal your shit,
>
> SoZ:
> But here's where the argument begins.
>
> You mean the answer is to give someone part of someone elses wealth to teach
> them to sit home, do nothing, procreate, steal, use guns to kill and drug
> themselves to death as their children while their children continue the same
> vicious cycle .... all in the name of "compassionate" wealth
> re-distribution ... huh?
>
> Re-distribution has been in effect for some fifty years and it's proven a
> travesty concerning the human condition.
I guess I was getting all "utopian" with that one...<g>
I didn't mean direct redistribution..you're correct. Any tour of a
public housing project in the US would be evidence of the failures you
describe. I just meant a `ground-up' reconstruction of the conditions
that cause the inequality in the first place. I'm talking about
adressing poverty, poor education, etc. And I realize that just
throwing money at those problems doesn't make them go away-we tried
that in the 1960s, and the problems still remain.
> and where women & babies don't die in
> childbirth.
>
> SoZ:
> agree.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
SwordoZ
PDW
SoZ:
For questioning what ... "PDW" ... represented. Your trying to win a battle
of words using a "water pistol". Your too immature to handle a "PDW".
SoZ
SwordoZ
SoZ:
That's *NOT* too intellegent a response coming from one who handle is ...
"The Chief Instigator". You would be fine in a kindergarten setting ...
but your playing with the men now.
SwordoZ
SoZ:
The proof is in your replys that I'm engaging a "PLH" ... otherwise known as
being "Pretty Light Headed".
PDW ... hopefully you have access to more water.
SwordoZ
PDW=WPW
SoZ:
:)
Liberal "thinkers" are having their "day" in the sun and it's turning into
the end of liberalism. Your going to shed tears for a while ... but be of
good cheer .... you'll adjust to what's coming down the pike.
SwordoZ
<panam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5a3c9206-fa60-47df...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
SoZ:
This is the end result of liberal "intelligentsia" *slaving* people for
personal political gain.
I just meant a `ground-up' reconstruction of the conditions
that cause the inequality in the first place.
SoZ:
How do you "reconstruct" the concept in place?
Not referring to the principles which this nation was founded on.
I'm talking about
adressing poverty, poor education, etc.
SoZ:
How do you address that?
And I realize that just
throwing money at those problems doesn't make them go away-we tried
that in the 1960s, and the problems still remain.
SoZ:
I agree.
SwordoZ
SoZ:
"Fearful" is what was stated. I'm stating you don't have the "gonads" to
engage what's in the sizeable cave as opine.
Andre Lieven
> "The Chief Instigator" <patr...@io.com> wrote in messagenews:slrnhg1pr5....@eris.io.com...> >> "The Chief Instigator" <patr...@io.com> wrote in message
> >>news:slrnhfuf4r....@eris.io.com...
> >>> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:57:57 -0800 (PST), Syd <pdwrigh...@yahoo.com>
Why should any reasonable person want to play in that giant shithole
that is your skull ?
Social Security isn't going away, Medicare isn't going away,
and a public health care system, as desired by the MAJORITY of
US citizens, won't go away just because some dumbass ReThugs
want it gone.
But, please, by all means, nominate Sarah Pallid in 2012. It would
guarantee Four More Years for Obama, even though he's been far
too timid about fixing the MESS of 8 years of the Chimpenfuhrer.
Andre
Jimbo
LOL! You keep telling yourself that.
Syd
<Snort> Another failed prophet.
The 'End of liberalism' has been predicted before, son... Usually by
smug right-wing Christian assholes just before the public lose their
taste for 'conservatism.'
PDW
SwordoZ
"Andre Lieven" <andre...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:48e070d4-6a5f-4df8...@s15g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
SoZ:
What "reasonable person" would make such a derogatory remark such as you've
made ... other than one who possesses and speaketh from an experienced giant
hole such as that.
Social Security isn't going away, Medicare isn't going away,
SoZ:
agree.
and a public health care system, as desired by the MAJORITY of
US citizens,
SoZ:
Remember the numbers 2010/2012 ... if your still around.
won't go away just because some dumbass ReThugs
want it gone.
SoZ:
....and this coming from a "reasonsonable person"?
But, please, by all means, nominate Sarah Pallid in 2012.
SoZ:
I have nothing to do with that, but if nominated remember to thank the
independents and conservatives with your "reasonable persona".
It would
guarantee Four More Years for Obama,
SoZ:
:) He's been hung out to dry by his "minions" and you try to convince
yourself otherwise.
even though he's been far
too timid about fixing the MESS of 8 years of the Chimpenfuhrer.
Andre
SoZ:
Information to the clueless "minion" ... this mess began 49 years ago.
SwordoZ
"Jimbo" <ckdb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b769417c-0c45-4ac1...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
SoZ:
No ... I'm telling "you" at the moment so as to prepare yourself by loading
up on crying towels and disposal diapers.
SwordoZ
<Snort> Another failed prophet.
SoZ:
:) We shall see.
The 'End of liberalism' has been predicted before, son...
Usually by
smug right-wing Christian assholes just before the public lose their
taste for 'conservatism.'
SoZ:
Enjoy the arrogrance for the moment .... it's short lived.
PDW = WPDW
SoZ
Jimbo
> "Jimbo" <ckdbig...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Sorry, but you aren't telling me a thing. You're here trying to
convince yourself.
The Chief Instigator
...and how long have you been amusing your betters in this medium? I've
been a Usenet contributor for a few months past two decades. (Maybe you can
figure out what my ID was in my first post.)
The Chief Instigator
Fearful? *yawn* Slightly amused, in your case.
The Chief Instigator
Hopefully, yours will be straight from the ocean. (No Lake Houston for you,
wot?)
Andre Lieven
> "Andre Lieven" <andrelie...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
Any reasonable person who is sick and tired of wingnutters trying to
pose as
a reasonable political party.
"Bill Maher: Democrats Have Moved To The Right And The Right Has
Moved
Into A Mental Hospital".
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/21/bill-maher-democrats-have_n_218593.html
He was 100% right.
> Social Security isn't going away, Medicare isn't going away,
>
> SoZ:
> agree.
>
> and a public health care system, as desired by the MAJORITY of
> US citizens,
>
> SoZ:
> Remember the numbers 2010/2012 ... if your still around.
<Laughs> Please ! With lunatics like Rush the drug addict, and Glenn
the loony speaking for the ReThugs, them winning back the House is
as sure a bet as Cheney fessing up for all of his fuckups and lies.
Ain't. Gonna. Happen.
> won't go away just because some dumbass ReThugs
> want it gone.
>
> SoZ:
> ....and this coming from a "reasonsonable person"?
Yep, I call a spade a spade. Or, in this case, a fucking shovel.
You got a problem with that ? Then feel free to shove your head even
farther up your own dumbass.
> But, please, by all means, nominate Sarah Pallid in 2012.
>
> SoZ:
> I have nothing to do with that, but if nominated remember to thank the
> independents and conservatives with your "reasonable persona".
"What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
Christopher Hitchens.
Here's the list, oh toolish twat:
If you think that Sarah Pallid is anything other than a walking
advertisement
for retroactive abortion, you're a wingnut.
If you think that evolution isn't true, you're a wingnut.
If you think that Obama is a "socialist", you're a wingnut.
If you thnk that the US health care ayatem is the greatest in the
world, you're
a wingnut.
If you think that Bush wasn't the worst President in at least 100
years, you're a
wingnut.
QED, bumpkin.
> It would
> guarantee Four More Years for Obama,
>
> SoZ:
> :) He's been hung out to dry by his "minions" and you try to convince
> yourself otherwise.
Ibid Hitchens.
> even though he's been far
> too timid about fixing the MESS of 8 years of the Chimpenfuhrer.
> Andre
>
> SoZ:
> Information to the clueless "minion" ... this mess began 49 years ago.
Are you claiming that the US invaded, as an aggressor, Iraq in 1960 ?
Well then, you ARE a wingnutter. Don't forget to adjust your TinHat
(tm)...
Andre
SwordoZ
SoZ:
:) and this coming from a "reasonable person". Go crawl under your rock.
SoZ
SoZ
SwordoZ
SoZ:
:) Feel left out. Now you know as well.
SoZ
The Chief Instigator
Sorry, that's not my policy. You'll have to consider something rational,
like filtering me out, which is your right.
SwordoZ
PDW
SoZ:
Your going to need more than Lake Houston for your "WPDW".
SwordoZ
SoZ:
You will need a supply of diapers and crying towels when "reasonable
persons" answer in 2010/2012.
"Bill Maher: Democrats Have Moved To The Right And The Right Has
Moved
Into A Mental Hospital".
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/21/bill-maher-democrats-have_n_218593.html
He was 100% right.
SoZ:
Maher suffers from myopic visions of grandeur.
Apparently your intellect is keeping from you the fact that *true* democrats
have been running away from the "funny" farm mentality of their own party
for quite a few months. The polls reveal such.
> Social Security isn't going away, Medicare isn't going away,
>
> SoZ:
> agree.
>
> and a public health care system, as desired by the MAJORITY of
> US citizens,
>
> SoZ:
> Remember the numbers 2010/2012 ... if your still around.
<Laughs> Please ! With lunatics like Rush the drug addict, and Glenn
the loony speaking for the ReThugs, them winning back the House is
as sure a bet as Cheney fessing up for all of his fuckups and lies.
Ain't. Gonna. Happen.
SoZ:
Again ... remember the numbers 2010/2012 ... if your still around.
> won't go away just because some dumbass ReThugs
> want it gone.
>
> SoZ:
> ....and this coming from a "reasonsonable person"?
Yep, I call a spade a spade. Or, in this case, a fucking shovel.
SoZ:
Good choice. I believe the f------ shovel, as you stated, is a much faster
way to finalize digging your own grave.
You got a problem with that ? Then feel free to shove your head even
farther up your own dumbass.
SoZ:
Funny ... but everytime I look ... you are stuck up your own to the
shoulders. Apparently the only time you come out is when you hit the
keyboard.
> But, please, by all means, nominate Sarah Pallid in 2012.
>
> SoZ:
> I have nothing to do with that, but if nominated remember to thank the
> independents and conservatives with your "reasonable persona".
"What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
Christopher Hitchens.
SoZ:
Is he your god?
Here's the list, oh toolish twat:
If you think that Sarah Pallid is anything other than a walking
advertisement
for retroactive abortion, you're a wingnut.
SoZ:
FEAR is the reason why humans fixate on demeaning and ultimately destroying
another individual.
If you think that evolution isn't true, you're a wingnut.
Soz:
What would you call someone who believes nothing is responsible for
everything?
If you think that Obama is a "socialist", you're a wingnut.
SoZ:
What would you call someone lacking the intelligence to understand and
differentiate between the results produced by "democracy" as opposed
to"socialism"?
If you thnk that the US health care ayatem is the greatest in the
world, you're
a wingnut.
SoZ:
What do you call someone who lacks the intelligence of comparative analysis?
If you think that Bush wasn't the worst President in at least 100
years, you're a
wingnut.
QED, bumpkin.
SoZ:
How would you describe "someone" who presently occupies Waffle House who
throws stones at everyone to cover his ineptness?
> It would
> guarantee Four More Years for Obama,
>
> SoZ:
> :) He's been hung out to dry by his "minions" and you try to convince
> yourself otherwise.
Ibid Hitchens.
SoZ:
:)
> even though he's been far
> too timid about fixing the MESS of 8 years of the Chimpenfuhrer.
> Andre
>
> SoZ:
> Information to the clueless "minion" ... this mess began 49 years ago.
Are you claiming that the US invaded, as an aggressor, Iraq in 1960 ?
SoZ:
No - that's when liberalism began to get it's hook into the fabric of
America democracy. President Obama is the epitome of liberal timidity and
waffling. Apparently you agree.
Well then, you ARE a wingnutter. Don't forget to adjust your (tm)... TinHat
Andre
SoZ:
I adjust respectfully to all "TinHats" who lie 6 ft. under ground in
Normandy, Arlington and where ever they fell around the globe. Try to sell
your liberal spin to the parents, wives and children of those "TinHats".
SoZ
SwordoZ
SoZ: :)
Quite a while. The amusing part ... the disrespectful having to bite their
tongues?
I've
> been a Usenet contributor for a few months past two decades.
SoZ:
Spinning your seniority rank on me?
(Maybe you can
> figure out what my ID was in my first post.)
SoZ: :)
Since you've asked ... I guessed as you asked of me ... and the shoe fits
"Pretty Light Headed".
Hopefully your not of american indian descent ... otherwise they probably
would disown you.
SwordoZ
SoZ: :)
Oh ... you sound civil. Are you in need of bandaids
or medical assistance of sorts.
The Chief Instigator
Not particularly, just providing the information.
>> (Maybe you can figure out what my ID was in my first post.)
>
> SoZ: :) Since you've asked ... I guessed as you asked of me ... and
> the shoe fits "Pretty Light Headed".
Still a bit off...my first post would have been by
patr...@uncle-bens.rice.edu (the SunLab subnet, whose namespace was kinds
of rice).
> Hopefully your not of american indian descent ... otherwise they probably
> would disown you.
It's not certain, but could be possible...in any event, I spent all but six
months of my first seven and a half years in the Lakeview Heights part of
Tulsa, which had a few Osages, Choctaws, and Cherokees in the neighborhood.
(We were last there two years ago, and Lakeview is going away...90+%
abandoned houses on my old street, and it would make the Fifth Ward look
like River Oaks by comparison, in only 52 years.)
The Chief Instigator
I'm pretty much civil (excepting the occasional referee at an Aeros game).
If I hadn't been, I wouldn't be coming up on 45 years in this city, coming
in about six months.
SwordoZ
SoZ:
Any factual reasons as why this has occured?
SwordoZ
SoZ:
Are you referring to lacrosse?
The Chief Instigator
Good question...the neighborhood we moved out to the week after Kennedy and
Khrushchev shut down the squabble over Soviet missiles in Cuba, a couple of
blocks east of Mingo Creek south of East 11th (the old US 66) had new houses
building, and it's aged well in the 44 years since we headed south. I
suspect that Crescent Heights had a bit better access to the rest of the
city, with I-44 and the future Mingo Valley Expressway (starting
construction), as opposed to Lakeview, which was on the west edge of Mohawk
Park and accessed only by Mohawk Boulevard. and East 41st Street North.
Even so, when the US 75 freeway was built between Lakeview and Mohawk Park
(and Lake Yahola), that reduced the access from the east, and there never
has been access from the north. The collapse of big oil (the summer of
1961, the six gas stations at the 36th Street North/Mohawk/North Lewis
Avenue triangle got into an insane gas war that had regular leaded gas going
for 5.9� a gallon for a week or so. Just my luck I wouldn't be old enough
to drive for another decade, and I could have filled the tank and gotten a
quarter and change back from a dollar. ;-)
The Chief Instigator
Not quite...it's the modern version of the two pro hockey teams bearing that
name in town. (The original Aeros were in the WHA for its first six
seasons, 1972-73 through 1977-78, and had Gordie Howe and his two sons on
the roster from 1973-74 through 1976-77.) After the 1978 shutdown, there was
a season of the old CHL Apollos in 1980-81, and it was 1993 when a Houston
investor put up the money for an IHL franchise (to be housed at The Summit,
which was shut down when Toyota Center opened in 2003) and it was given the
Aeros name, with a slightly revised logo, and were taken into the AHL (the
NHL's developmental league; the Aeros are the Triple-A club of the NHL
Minnesota Wild) and are in their 16th season, with a home game tomorrow
night. Believe it or not, Texas has as many pro hockey teams as all of
Canada: we have one NHL, three AHL, and seven CHL teams; Canada has six
NHL, four AHL, and one ECHL. (Minnesota is the State of Hockey, but Texas
is The State of Pro Hockey, go figure.)
SwordoZ
SoZ:
"It's not what you say but how you say it"
Gotcha.
SwordoZ
SoZ:
Are you faulting the manner in which the road sytem was constructed for the
area's deterioration?
The Chief Instigator
If nothing else, you learned a few bits you hadn't encountered before.
(in my .signature URL, you can see the eleven pro teams in Texas this
season...go to txhockey.html with this season's population.
The Chief Instigator
>> my luck I wouldn't be old enough to drive for another decade, and I could
>> have filled the tank and gotten a quarter and change back from a dollar.
>> ;-)
>
> SoZ:
> Are you faulting the manner in which the road sytem was constructed for the
> area's deterioration?
No. The economy had a part in it, and the '90s weren't good to north Tulsa
(except for the Million Dollar Elm Tree Casino just across the county line
in Osage Nation). The neighborhoods between Lakeview and Osage County were
still in fair condition when we were there two years ago, but Lakeview is
still in a slightly out-of-way part of the city. (It could have been worse:
the old Tulsa airport was at North Yale and East Apache, but the terminal
got relocated to just east of where Memorial Drive would have been and a
couple of blocks south of the old East Apache that used to run straight to
Mingo Road in the late '50s. We weren't surprised by flights (mostly props,
in that age) over the neighborhood, but those days are long gone.)
Logan Sacket
Here is an interesting graph.
Logan Sacket
There's big news for climate change students. A hacker has gotten into
the computers at Hadley CRU, Britain's largest climate research
institute and a proponent of global warming, and seems to have
uncovered evidence of substantial fraud in reporting the "evidence" on
global warming; the unlawful destruction of records to cover up this
fraud ,conspiracy,and deceit in the entire operation.
While hacking into the institute's records is inappropriate if not
illegal, the activities disclosed appear illegal and damaging to
science and the economies of the world.
At first many of us were inclined to dismiss the posted emails from
the Institute as fraud, but the head of the institute admits the
records were hacked and the emails seem genuine.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/11/scientific_scandal_appears_to.html
Here is a sample of the purportedly hacked material (1079 emails and
72 documents) available online:
From: Phil Jones
To: ray bradley ,mann@XXXX, mhughes@XXXX
Subject: Diagram for WMO Statement
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:31:15 +0000
Cc: k.br...@XXX.osborn@XXXX
Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,
Once Tim's got a diagram here we'll send that either later today or
first thing tomorrow.
I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to
each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961
for Keith's to hide the decline. Mike's series got the annual land and
marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land N of 20N.
The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999 for NH
combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with data
through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.
Thanks for the comments, Ray.
Cheers
Phil
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone XXXX
School of Environmental Sciences Fax XXXX
University of East Anglia
Norwich
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From: Kevin Trenberth
To: Michael Mann
Subject: Re: BBC U-turn on climate
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:57:37 -0600
Cc: Stephen H Schneider , Myles Allen , peter stott , "Philip D.
Jones" , Benjamin Santer , Tom Wigley , Thomas R Karl , Gavin Schmidt
, James Hansen , Michael Oppenheimer
Hi all
Well I have my own article on where the heck is global warming ? We
are asking that here in Boulder where we have broken records the past
two days for the coldest days on record. We had 4 inches of snow. The
high the last 2 days was below 30F and the normal is 69F, and it
smashed the previous records for these days by 10F. The low was about
18F and also a record low, well below the previous record low.
This is January weather (see the Rockies baseball playoff game was
canceled on saturday and then played last night in below freezing
weather).
Trenberth, K. E., 2009: An imperative for climate change planning:
tracking Earth's global energy. Current Opinion in Environmental
Sustainability, 1, 19-27, doi:10.1016/j.cosust.2009.06.001. [1][PDF]
(A PDF of the published version can be obtained from the author.)
***
The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the
moment and it is a travesty that we can't. The CERES data published in
the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more
warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is
inadequate.***
Thomas Lifson adds:
One interesting hacked email childishly insults American Thinker, by
calling us "American Stinker."
It is distressing to read that American Stinker item. But Keith
does seem to have got himself into a mess. As I pointed out in
emails, Yamal is insignificant. And you say that (contrary to
what M&M say) Yamal is *not* used in MBH, etc. So these facts
alone are enough to shoot down M&M is a few sentences (which
surely is the only way to go - complex and wordy responses
will be counter productive).
But, more generally, (even if it *is* irrelevant) how does Keith
explain the McIntyre plot that compares Yamal-12 with Yamal-all? And
how does he explain the apparent "selection" of the less
well-replicated
chronology rather that the later (better replicated) chronology?
Of course, I don't know how often Yamal-12 has really been used in
recent, post-1995, work. I suspect from what you say it is much less
often that M&M say - but where did they get their information? I
presume they went thru papers to see if Yamal was cited, a pretty
foolproof method if
you ask me. Perhaps these things can be explained clearly and
concisely - but I am not
sure Keith is able to do this
as he is too close to the issue and probably quite pissed of.
And the issue of with-holding data is still a hot potato, one that
affects both you and Keith (and Mann). Yes, there are reasons - but
many *good* scientists appear to be unsympathetic to these. The
trouble here is that with-holding data looks like hiding something,
and hiding means (in some eyes) that it is bogus science that is
being hidden.
I think Keith needs to be very, very careful in how he handles this.
I'd be willing to check over anything he puts together.
Tom.
Update from Thomas Lifson: Charlie Martin has more at Pajamas,
including confirmation that "the CRU confirmed to the BBC that they
had indeed been hacked." But he exercises appropriate caution:
The problem is that the files and emails seem just too good to be
true. A number of files seem to be smoking guns -- revealing how to
resist Freedom of Information Act requests for their data (which would
both be scientific misconduct and actually illegal); long-term
marketing plans on how to push the climate-change agenda; and
discussions of how to pressure peer-reviewed journals to stop
accepting papers that disagree with the "accepted" view of global
warming.
In other words, just what the skeptics have been suggesting for years.
It seems just too neat, and we don't have independent verification of
where the files came from. Someone who is willing to hack might also
be willing to create fakes.
But then, the whole package is very large -- 63 megabytes -- and seems
to be very internally consistent. Several people have already
corroborated a number of the emails as being ones they wrote or
received. The package also includes substantial data and computer
programs, which are being explored as this is being written.
Logan Sacket
Climate Change: As scientists confirm the earth has not warmed at all
in the past decade, others wonder how this could be and what it means
for Copenhagen. Maybe Al Gore can Photoshop something before December.
Gore Photoshopped NASA imagery of the earth for the fold-out cover
photo of his new book, adding four hurricanes at once, including one
spinning in the wrong direction next to Florida and, in a physical
impossibility, one on the equator next to Peru.
Somewhere in the process, the island of Cuba was deleted.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20091120/bs_ibd_ibd/20091120issues01Gore