On Mon, 16 May 2022 20:36:05 -0700, Robert <
no...@none.com> wrote:
>On May 14, 2022,
zeb...@windstream.net wrote
>(in article<
5mk08hl3sk7sb00qs...@4ax.com>):
>
>> On Fri, 13 May 2022 18:10:15 -0700, Robert<
no...@none.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On May 13, 2022,
zeb...@windstream.net wrote
>> > (in article<
acmt7h5d2k0b88us6...@4ax.com>):
>> >
>> > > On Wed, 11 May 2022 00:46:00 -0700, Robert<
no...@none.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Job 19:25-27 (AFV)
>> > > >
>> > > > 25 For I know that my Redeemer lives, and that He shall stand upon the
>> > > > earth in the latter days;
>> > > >
>> > > > 26 Andthough worms destroy my skin and body, yet apart from my flesh
>> > > > shall I see God—
>> > > >
>> > > > 27 Whom I shall see for myself, and my eyes shall behold, and not
>> > > > another;though my heart be consumed within me.
>> > > >
>> > > > Though he is dead, and his body consumed down to his heart within, YET HE
>> > > > WILL see God, how? With his spiritual eyes.
>> > > >
>> > > > So all your other twisted sister understanding can be dismissed,
>> > >
>> > > How does this grab you. All my 'twisted understanding' comes from the
>> > > Scriptures.
>> >
>> > I know, and it speaks directly about people like you who will do this, in
>> > these times.
>>
>> This is practically what all JW's are doing:
>
>If the Spirit of God does not dwell in you, then you are none of His.
>>
>>
>> Mt 24:14,
>>
>> "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as
>> a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." (NIV)
>>
>> "And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the
>> whole world, so that all nations will hear it, and then, finally, the
>> end will come." (Living Bible)
>>
>> "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the world
>> as a witness to all nations, and then the end will come." (NAB)
>
>The good news of the kingdom is that Jesus Christ is risen, and seated at the
>right hand of His Father
Yes, and right after that. That is when God's government replaces all
of man's corrupt governments. God just doesn't remove them, so that
they can come up again later, but DESTROYS them. Now here is some
Scriptures of support:
(Daniel 2:44) “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set
up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not
be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all
these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever,
(Matthew 24:14) And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in
all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the
end will come.
Notice God's kingdom (government) here. That is certainly good news
for the earth.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > But that is no big surprise for the evil one knows the scriptures better
>> > than
>> > you.
>>
>> You are probably right. That is why continued Bible study is
>> recommended.
>
>But for what? Atheists who hold the same notions about Jesus as do you often
>study the Bible even to the standpoint of getting doctorates in theology.
They are probably just wanting to learn the historical aspect about
Jesus. But are missing the spiritual (paranormal) aspect.
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>>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > for this
>> > > > solidly stated what is, both then and now. Ones spirit dwells on, forever.
>> > >
>> > > The Scriptures you present doesn't contain the word "spirit" at all.
>> > > That is your opinion. And we all have those.
>> >
>> > That is correct. Yet the body was dead, consumed to its heart, so with what
>> > eyes did he see?
>>
>> According to the Bible, if he was dead then, he saw nothing. Because
>> all his thoughts have melted away. You have a bad translation. Notice
>> these:
>>
>> (Job 19:26) After my skin has thus been destroyed, While yet in my
>> flesh, I will see God,
>>
>> Yes, with his spiritual eyes. And notice these who agree with the NWT:
>
>You have said all along that a mans spirit is dead, why do you now change
>your tune?
According to the Bible, a man's spirit goes out at death and returns
to God, but there is no personality in it:
(Ecclesiastes 12:7) Then the dust returns to the earth, just as it
was, and the spirit returns to the true God who gave it.
Thus "spirit" here means his life: spirit = life
>Especially since Job declared that he will see in in his flesh?
>Job said the same as David, as he too had the promise of a resurrected body
>which is fully a part of the Gospel knowledge.
Yes, the resurrection is the main hope for most all of mankind,
whether living now (who will die) or those who have already died:
(Acts 24:15) And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also
look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the
righteous and the unrighteous.
>>
>>
>> -- King James
>> Job 19:26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my
>> flesh shall I see God:
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Answer that, It directly discounts all your previous understandings that
>> > when
>> > a person is dead, that there is nothing of them that exists from then on.
>> > And
>> > according to you, that would have to apply to Jesus as well. Yet....not only
>> > did he raise people from the dead, even after four days so that their body
>> > stank, but He was risen from the Grave and ascended into the heavens as
>> > witnessed by men.
>>
>> Yes, the dead no nothing. Yes, Jesus resurrected people (so did his
>> apostles as well as Paul) And Jesus willingly laid down his life and
>> died for our sins.
>
>And he was resurrected on the 3rd day in full accordance with the prophecies
>of Old. His body bearing the marks of his death, for all to see.
Yes, but he was raised a SPIRIT being, not a fleshly being. This is
proven by Scripture:
(1 Peter 3:18) For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous
person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put
to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. 1 Co 15:45 reads,
"So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" ; the
last Adam, a life-giving spirit." (NIV)
Also, Mary Magdalene was the first one to see the resurrected Jesus,
BUT SHE THOUGHT HE WAS THE GARDENER. Thus he didn't have his same
body. As a spirit being, just like angels who visited earth, he could
materialize a human body. But not the same one he had. For he gave
that one up for the ransom:
(Hebrews 10:10) By this “will” we have been sanctified through the
offering of the BODY of Jesus Christ once for all time. (all caps
mine)
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Nothing in your stories add up, so how about you addressing all the above?
>>
>> I did.
>
>Nope, you gave out partial truths embellished with the lies of the god of
>this world.
I disagree and so do millions of others.
>You have provided the shaded truths of the god of this world, your leader.
My leader Jesus, is not a god of this world, yet. But that will come
soon.
>
>All these understandings of yours I have rebuked many times in the name of
>the Lord, and by the quoting of the words of my Heavenly Father, yet you
>persist in twisting the words of God.
>
>For instance, the spirits of all men are eternal, some to everlasting life.
>Many to everlasting death and torture.
The "spirit" of a person is the FORCE of life. The actual meaning of
the word spirit is a moving force, like the wind. In humans your
spirit is your life. It has no personality with it. When a person dies
(good or bad), that spirit (life force) goes back to God:
-- King James
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
>
>“And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face
>the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
>And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were
>opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead
>were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to
>their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and
>hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man
>according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
>This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of
>life was cast into the lake of fire.” (Rev 20:11-15, KJV)
>
>You WILL be one of those, the choices you make in this life determine how you
>will be judged then. You know this to be so, in your gut, do not let the
>spirit of lies and deceit deceive you. They too will be bowing the knee to
>Jesus in that day.
Don't be a fish, and get hooked on the deceit and greed of the
churches. Get to know your Bible, WHAT IT MEANS, as well as quote it.
For instance that lake of fire is not literal. GOD IS NOT A SADIST.
Love AND torture are not part of a sane mind. Besides logically, the
Bible even tell us it is not literal. Notice carefully the Scripture:
-- King James
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death.
Can DEATH be thrown into a literal fire? Can hell (the grave) be
thrown into a literal fire? Of course not. And even if the Scripture
didn't say those things, it still tells that it is symbolic. It says
it REPRESENTS (is) the second death. So another way to say it is:
'And death and hell were cast into the second death. This is the lake
of fire'. lake of fire = second death
Sincerely James
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