Re: A called man can be rejected
Randy ®
Donna Kupp <dk...@charter.net> wrote:
> On Oct 31, 9:43 am, Randy ®<pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Donna wrote:
>
>>> > > It is true that the calling of God is because of God's sovereign
>>> > > choice and grace. No man deserves to be called. Nevertheless, a
>>> > > man's faithfulness must be tested and approved before he receives the
>>> > > crown of life.
>> >
>>> > > Paul wrote this about himself:
>> >
>>> > > "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by
>>> > > any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a
>>> > > castaway." 1 Corinthians 9:27
>> >
>>> > > 27 But235 I keep under5299 my3450 body,4983 and2532 bring it into
>>> > > subjection:1396 lest that by any means,3381 when I have preached2784
>>> > > to others,243 I myself848 should be1096 a castaway.96
>> >
>>> > > Castaway
>> >
>>> > > G96
>>> > > ἀδόκιμος
>>> > > adokimos
>>> > > ad-ok'-ee-mos
>>> > > From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1384; unapproved, that is,
>>> > > rejected; by implication worthless (literally or morally): - castaway,
>>> > > rejected, reprobate.
> Randy wrote:
>
>> > Another verse taken out of context by the false gospel
>> > proclaiming heretic.
> Donna writes:
>
> Regarding, 1 Corinthians 9:27, I showed Paul's meaning from the
> Greek. And now you accuse me of taking the verse out of context!
The Greek isn't the context. It's the meaning of the words. The
context shows he's talking about being disqualified from rewards
and partaking in the fruit of the gospel, not whether he is
personally saved or lost.
> "He who asserts must prove." Now Randy, you must go back to 1
> Corinthians 9:27 and PROVE WITHIN ITS CONTEXT that I changed Paul's
> meaning.
>
> Be warned: when you use "out of context" as a subterfuge with me,
> you will be called to "prove it".
Your whole doctrine is subterfuge, to conceal the fact salvation
is by sovereign grace, not personal merit.
The principle of clear reference is that when you have a doctrine
clearly established in a large body of Scripture, you don't
abandon that in favor of a contradictory interpretation of a
single verse snippet here and there, which is about all you do.
Entire books of the Bible were written to refute the heresy you
proclaim (such as Galatians), and the doctrine of salvation by
sovereign grace, through faith, apart from works is clearly
taught in large bodies of Scripture like Romans 1 - 4; Ephesians
2; Romans 8 - 11, and over 200 individual passages of Scripture
that present salvation on the sole basis of faith in Christ. You
don't abandon the preponderance of clear evidence like that, in
favor of a contrary interpretation of a verse snippet here and
there the way you do, then claim that was observing the context.
Now to the context of the verse you quoted:
1 Corinthians 9:24-27 NASB
(24) Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but
only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win.
(25) Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control
in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath,
but we an imperishable.
(26) Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in
such a way, as not beating the air;
(27) but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that,
after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.
Paul is talking about being disqualified for rewards for service,
and partaking in the fruit of the gospel labor, not earning
salvation.
You can't have salvation being by grace, and by human merit.
Otherwise, grace is no more grace, and works are no more works:
Romans 11:5-6 NIV
(5) So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.
(6) And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were,
grace would no longer be grace.
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not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
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Donna Kupp
Go back to my quote from 1 Corinthians 9:27 and prove from its
context that I changed the meaning of what Paul was writing. If you
don't do that, you will prove that you are a man who uses ad hominum
arguments because he has no case.
Donna Kupp
Randy ®
Donna Kupp <dk...@charter.net> wrote:
Why do you pretend that didn't already happen. Here's a quote
from my last response:
Donna Kupp
Donna writes:
First of all, let's get something straight. One cannot be good
enough to merit justification, however once Justified one must be
good enough to not merit the destruction reserved for rebellious
Christians. Randy, what you are not understanding is that our faith
must be tested and approved before we receive the crown of life.*
This is a life or death matter --so important that he warned the
church of Roman with these words:
"For if ye live after the flesh, YE SHALL DIE: but if ye through
the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, YE SHALL LIVE."
Romans 8:13
Now Randy, I thank you for presenting vs 27, in partial context.
As you can see the "Moreover, Brethren" of Chapter 10 introduces
a reason for what has preceded in chapter 9 and continues Paul's
message. It clearly shows that he is NOT talking about the rewards
for Christian service; but is warning the Christians of Corinth that
the consequences of sin is death. Read it!
Now, let us take a look at Chapter 9:25 from the King James Version:
"And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all
things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an
incorruptible." 1 Corinthians 9:25
The athletes who used great discipline to conquer in the Olympic
games were crowned with withering wreaths of olive, bays or
laurel; but Christians who overcome the sinful deeds of the body
will receive the incorruptible crown of eternal life. James said it
this way:
"Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried,
he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to
them that love him." James 1:12
-- and here the apostle tells us how we love God:
"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and
his commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5:3
Donna Kupp
* Dear Reader, Please read Deception #6 "I can fail the test"
on this website:
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Randy ®
Donna Kupp <dk...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> Donna writes:
>
> First of all, let's get something straight. One cannot be good
> enough to merit justification, however once Justified one must be
> good enough to not merit the destruction reserved for rebellious
> Christians.
A lie taught nowhere in the Bible. You're simply confusing the
fruit of saving faith with a term of salvation.
> Randy, what you are not understanding is that our faith
> must be tested and approved before we receive the crown of life.*
Your attempt to confuse that with a man-merited condition of
salvation, when it is not. Those whom God justified He also
glorified (Romans 8:30). God went out of His way to demonstrate
that salvation is based on His sovereign choice and mercy, not on
the will or merits of man. The idea you can lose your salvation
is based on the lie that salvation depends on your merits rather
than God's will in saving the elect, and Christ's imputed
righteousness. You are absolutely a perfectly perverted, Satanic
liar, preaching a false, damnable heretical gospel!
> This is a life or death matter --so important that he warned the
> church of Roman with these words:
Which is why you are going to burn in a hot corner of hell for
promoting your damnable heresies and lies in your false gospel of
justification through personal merit (Galatians).
> "For if ye live after the flesh, YE SHALL DIE: but if ye through
> the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, YE SHALL LIVE."
> Romans 8:13
> Now Randy, I thank you for presenting vs 27, in partial context.
> As you can see the "Moreover, Brethren" of Chapter 10 introduces
> a reason for what has preceded in chapter 9 and continues Paul's
> message. It clearly shows that he is NOT talking about the rewards
> for Christian service; but is warning the Christians of Corinth that
> the consequences of sin is death. Read it!
You're the Satanically energized moron who doesn't read or
understand the Bible, other than enough to twist it into a
perfect lie that contradicts everything it teaches.
For example, you tried to take the single verse out of context
and make it sound like Paul was talking about losing his
salvation, when he was talking about the possibility of losing
reward. Then, when faced with the context that exposed your
error, you have to go clear back until he's talking about
something else. You are absolutely twisted and, and pervert
everything the Bible says with your false, damnable, heresy gospel.
[snip]
I
r m
> Those Whom Unemployed Randy Young Abuses He Also Bullies
Don't we have laws on cyber-bullying?
Cheers.
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lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the
light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus
Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin,
we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our
sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us
from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him
a liar, and his word is not in us.
(1 John 1:6-10 KJV)
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Donna Kupp dk...@charter.net wrote in
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> Donna writes:
>
> First of all, let's get something straight. One cannot be good
> enough to merit justification, however once Justified one must be
> good enough to not merit the destruction reserved for rebellious
> Christians.
See above.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever
liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? (John
11:25-26 KJV)
You are preaching a false gospel of works, and have been doing so for
years already. Your godhead is not the same as the Christian God,
either.
Jesus is LORD.
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Donna Kupp dk...@charter.net wrote in
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> Randy,
>
> Go back
Nah, go above, please. Do loop.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
r m roy...@gmail.com wrote in
673db51a-41a8-4dd1...@q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com
> On Nov 2, 7:08 am, "I" <me@home000000000000469> wrote:
>> Those Whom Unemployed Roy Mock Abuses He Also Bullies
....Matt....
This is the original Vera changed it without telling you
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On Nov 2, 7:08=A0am, "I" <me@home000000000000469> wrote:
> Those Whom Unemployed Randy Young Abuses He Also Bullies
Don't we have laws on cyber-bullying?
Cheers.
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Deceptive of Vera Six isn't it.
r m
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:50:33 +0100, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
>
> >YUCK!
>
> >r m roym...@gmail.com wrote in
> >673db51a-41a8-4dd1-a613-8b5dd7dd4...@q40g2000prh.googlegroups.com
> >> On Nov 2, 7:08 am, "I" <me@home000000000000469> wrote:
> >>> Those Whom Unemployed Roy Mock Abuses He Also Bullies
>
> >> Don't we have laws on cyber-bullying?
>
> >> Cheers.
>
> This is the original Vera changed it without telling you
>
> *********************************
>
> On Nov 2, 7:08=A0am, "I" <me@home000000000000469> wrote:
>
> > Those Whom Unemployed Randy Young Abuses He Also Bullies
>
> Don't we have laws on cyber-bullying?
>
> Cheers.
>
> ***********************************8
>
> Deceptive of Vera Six isn't it.
There have been instance, here, for cyber bullying amongst high school
kids (including with mobile/cell phones) that the authorities are
trying to take action. Some cases have surfaced in the news recently
with some claimants winning compensation. Heavens knows what goes on
unreported.
Dunno if it happens in other countries as well.
Cheers.
[BTW I don't know how anyone could say I'm unemployed since I'm
salaried.]
I
> >> Don't we have laws on cyber-bullying?
...
> There have been instance, here, for cyber bullying amongst high school
> kids (including with mobile/cell phones) that the authorities are
> trying to take action. Some cases have surfaced in the news recently
> with some claimants winning compensation. Heavens knows what goes > on
> unreported.
>
> Dunno if it happens in other countries as well.
There are laws against cyber-bullying but Randy Young and Vera Six ignore
them. The Christian women bullied by Randy Young would have a HUGE
DOCUMENTED HISTORY were they ever to press charges against him.
Oh, and there are also laws against homosexual vilifiation which Randy Young
and Vera Six have also been guity of.
The laws to protect people from thse crimes (and sins) were enacted because
some of the victims of such thugs committed suicide. Recently a schoolboy
suicided after being the victim of the same types of bullying Randy Young
has committed on Christian women.
As a professional educator, it is mandatory for me to report instances of
abuse of school children.
> [BTW I don't know how anyone could say I'm unemployed since I'm
> salaried.]
... and I am retired. Such truth doesn't matter much to cyber-bullies such
as Randy Young and Vera Six.
WHO did Jesus abuse and bully??????
I can't think of anyone but Randy Young and Vera Six think they are
following Jesus by abusing and bullying other people.
It must be a different Jesus than I know.
r m
> "r m" <roym...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Don't we have laws on cyber-bullying?
> ...
> > There have been instance, here, for cyber bullying amongst high school
> > kids (including with mobile/cell phones) that the authorities are
> > trying to take action. Some cases have surfaced in the news recently
> > with some claimants winning compensation. Heavens knows what goes > on
> > unreported.
>
> > Dunno if it happens in other countries as well.
>
> There are laws against cyber-bullying but Randy Young and Vera Six ignore
> them. The Christian women bullied by Randy Young would have a HUGE
> DOCUMENTED HISTORY were they ever to press charges against him.
>
> Oh, and there are also laws against homosexual vilifiation which Randy Young
> and Vera Six have also been guity of.
>
> The laws to protect people from thse crimes (and sins) were enacted because
From memory: it also spills over into social sites such as Twitter,
Facebook etc.
> ... Recently a schoolboy
> suicided after being the victim of the same types of bullying Randy Young
> has committed on Christian women.
>
> As a professional educator, it is mandatory for me to report instances of
> abuse of school children.
>
> > [BTW I don't know how anyone could say I'm unemployed since I'm
> > salaried.]
>
> ... and I am retired. Such truth doesn't matter much to cyber-bullies such
> as Randy Young and Vera Six.
>
> WHO did Jesus abuse and bully??????
>
> I can't think of anyone but Randy Young and Vera Six think they are
> following Jesus by abusing and bullying other people.
My guess; license is provided by "Do not think that I have come to
bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a
sword."
> It must be a different Jesus than I know.
Aye.
Cheers.
Mordecai
r m wrote:
People can always find reasons to justify their ideas ... but it is usually based
upon their own needs.
Fundamentalists (all religions) have dedicated themselves to their deity and are
earnest. It is usually based upon their needs for ... say love ... which is not in
their "natural" families and so they transfer it to G_d.
Their religious institution is often, to them, a surrogate family and they have
chosen a branch of the family which caters to their own needs.
You usually find ... rigidity, emotional needs and a place where childish ideas
are expressed. "Us" versus "them" is a common theme - as well as gang like
behaviour. Their G_d is often authoritarian like a father ... or endlessly
forgiving like a mother - but both of these roles typical of a physically abusive
family ... possibly with alcohol thrown in. Authority, power, arbitrary rulings,
heavy handed punishments ... sigh.
BUT ... the people who come ... NEED such a place. It is ... their home.
Others forget that those people who attend have a need for such relationships.
And they often do for decades ... as it takes a long tome to allow changes to
occur within.
Think Phelps and those who attend his church. Real physical abusive "pastor" and
real people desiring that sort of relationship and church.
We condemn Phelps as we should, but I do not condemn the abused who need his
church.
Though ... they often become abusive in turn, typical of those raised in
dysfunction.
>
>
> > It must be a different Jesus than I know.
>
> Aye.
Randy would not know JC if he would walk up to him ... haul him up and shove him
against a brick wall and say "Look at me."
Randy has chosen a fantasy world and the real JC would scare him into dirtying his
pants.
And as he has consciously rejected JC ... and chosen to go the fantasy route, it
is not going to change in the foreseeable future.
Vera is ... different. But she also does not know JC - as she hangs around people
who only see a childish little punk. But I have hopes.
It is frightening to ask someone to accept real love and to go forward, away from
the seeming perfection of a church ... the miracles, the answers, the love of the
church which seemingly almost is perfect ...
G_d's love, her churches love ... and a choice. Which will she choose? And all we
can do is watch.
>
>
> Cheers.
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When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is wrong,
and reality is Never wrong.
Ike E 10/29/09
"Donna Kupp" <dk...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:e625ea18-bee3-441c...@m3g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
> Donna writes:
>
> First of all, let's get something straight. One cannot be good
> enough to merit justification, however once Justified one must be
> good enough to not merit the destruction reserved for rebellious
> Christians.
Bullshit. That's just reverse legalism.
If at ANY time we try to justify ourselves according to the law--before or
after our epiphany of God's Grace--or expect God to condemn us according to
the law (rather than the works of the Gospel) then GRACE IS NULLIFIED.
And what the hell is a "rebellious Christian?"
There is "antichristian," which is someone posing as a Christian who is not
a Christian, but there is no such thing as a "rebellious Christian:" If
they're rebelling, they're "antichrist," and not Christian at all.
And Jesus describes six (then seven and eight) kinds of "antichristians" in
the seven letters.
1) Legalists.
2) Universalists.
3) Religionists.
4) Liberals.
5) Worldliness.
6) Marginalists.
And even then, Jesus doesn't say "all you people are condemned," but rather,
that He'll take what He will and leave what He will in mixtures, to whit...
"But I hold these things against you."
Conditional warning.
"I have a few things against you."
"I have a thing against a few of you."
"a few of you are worthy."
All praise.
All rebuke.
Sounds to me like you're tripping the line into legalism, which is just as
much "antichrist" as liberalism.
[snip]
Ike
Mordecai
Ike E 10/29/09 wrote:
Ah ... legalism.
Yes - i know that accusation.
Prove to me that you are not legalistic - go out and murder someone.
That's it ... just go out and murder. After all, let sin abound that grace can
more abound.
No? You mean, AFTER you have attained grace, go and sin ... NO MORE?
But what is sin?
Well the NT says that sin is in the law. Without the law, there is no
condemnation for sin. The law defines sin.
Now go out and break the law so you can sin so that grace can abound ... and do
not warn people that if they sin and thus are workers of iniquity ... like the
five foolish virgins, like the ones who claim to cast out devils in his name ...
remember these people who have faith and thus are saved ... remember these who
have no fruits and are workers of iniquity?
Go and instruct them in your legalism that they are to deliberately go out and
murder so that grace might abound! After all, they can gain salvation by murder
and lose salvation by legalistically keeping the law and the only way to prove
to Ike that they are not keeping the law is by breaking it.
Prove to Ike you are not a legalist - GO OUT AND MURDER!
Fred A Stover
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> Those Whom Unemployed Randy Young Abuses He Also Bullies
I for idiot harasses people for having opinions different from his own. He
can't defend his own opinions because he doesn't know what they are. That's
one of the things that makes him an idiot.
Fred A Stover
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:50:33 +0100, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
> <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>> YUCK!
More drivel from Satan's lackey.
r m
I think that one of the dangers we face is taking our experience of
Christianity as the only valid expression for God's church and His
people, when it would be diverse.
What constitutes the norm (or should be the norm) would probably be
open to debate, but those falling outside the norm (statistically)
have a greater chance of missing the mark IMHO.
I s'ppose the extreme end of Fundamentalism (e.g. Phelps) falls into
the latter category.
It is said that "Fundamentalism is militant orthodoxy set on fire with
soul winning zeal."
Cheers.
I
> I think that one of the dangers we face is taking our experience of
> Christianity as the only valid expression for God's church and His
> people, when it would be diverse.
My acceptance of a broad range of belief has come through contact with
friends of diverse belief. I have learnt much about community through
Catholics. I have learnt much about tradition through Orthodox, I have
learnt much about wisdom through Jews. I have learnt much about bible
memorisation through Fundamentalists.
> What constitutes the norm (or should be the norm) would probably be
> open to debate, but those falling outside the norm (statistically)
> have a greater chance of missing the mark IMHO.
What I used to think was the norm (fundamentalism) isn't the norm. My views
about the norm are in a state of flux. Many of the great biblical figures
such as Abraham, Moses and Jesus were not normal if by "normal" that means
fitting in with the majority view.
> It is said that "Fundamentalism is militant orthodoxy set on fire with
> soul winning zeal."
"A fundamentalist is an Evangelical who is angry about something. ...
militancy is crucial to their outlook." George M. Marsden (William B.
Eerdmans:1991) p.1
....Matt....
wrote:
>....Mutt yelped.... wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:50:33 +0100, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
>> <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>> YUCK!
>
>More drivel from Satan's lackey.
You call Vera Satan's Lackey?
You still a nutcase Fred.
Give us some old time eisegesis
God Bless
Matt
....Matt....
wrote:
>I wrote:
RM you hurt Fred's feeling you forgot him. Lying in Christ name is
what the unholy 3 are all about. Oh and calling people satan.
Placing a lie within a truth they are good at.
Randy Young, Vera Six and Fred A Stover use deceptive practices often.
God Bless
Matt
r m
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:05:46 -0600, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >I wrote:
False witness is a breach of the 9th Commandment. Isn't it?
Cheers.
>
> God Bless
>
> Matt
....Matt....
wrote:
Yep I believe it is.
>
>
>>
>> God Bless
>>
>> Matt
Randy ®
....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>> >False witness is a breach of the 9th Commandment. Isn't it?
>> >
>> >Cheers.
> Yep I believe it is.
>
>
Then you know what you're doing every time you bear false
witness, such as in this thread, and when you try to discredit
people when they are correctly proclaiming the gospel:
On Tue, 10/06/09, at 11:43:21AM,
In Group: alt.christnet.christianlife
Article: <dqsmc5hb14cenetrv...@4ax.com>
..Matt.. <trdel...@gmail.comnospam> wrote:
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On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:29:48 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
<jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that
believeth not is
>>condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of
the only
>>begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light
is come
>>into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light,
because their
>>deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the
light, neither
>>cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he
that
>>doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made
manifest,
>>that they are wrought in God. (John 3:18-21 KJV)
Vera Six so your lying, Misdirection, Deceptive practices and
Hate are
"Justified" by your and Randy's Eisegesis LOL
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Randy �: Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
from the dead? Did you know God saves you
from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this
finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph.
2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God
alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
(<iqjfa51qs8mtmjfqt...@4ax.com>)
Dan Listermann: Silliness.
(<6046d$4aa7ee2c$4a53bf9f$48...@FUSE.NET>)
Randy �: 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 NIV
(3) And even if our gospel is veiled, it is
veiled to those
who are perishing.
(4) The god of this age has blinded the minds of
unbelievers,
so that they cannot see the light of the gospel
of the glory
of Christ, who is the image of God.
(<iqjfa51qs8mtmjfqt...@4ax.com>)
Marty: Is this what you call exegesis. Sad example.
I have seen real exegesis and this isn't even close.
(<pgvfa5dcl0agat2e2...@4ax.com>)
....Matt....
wrote:
>On Mon, 11/02/09, at 1:54:13PM,
>....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> >False witness is a breach of the 9th Commandment. Isn't it?
>>> >
>>> >Cheers.
>> Yep I believe it is.
>>
>>
>
>Then you know what you're doing every time you bear false
>witness, such as in this thread, and when you try to discredit
>people when they are correctly proclaiming the gospel:
You are not always correct Randy and it is your method of lies and
deceit that are the problem I have. Such as your use of Chucks post
to me even after he told you his meaning. Deception and misdirection
are not needed for a true teacher of the Gospel. No I do not consider
myself a teacher of the Gospel.
I know for a fact some of your teachings are Eisegesis: the process of
misinterpreting a text in such a way that it introduces one's own
ideas, reading into the text,
The Below is a example of your merit as a teacher of Christ. You
don't have any credibility as you are using the cut and paste method
of your spam. Like I have said before you hide the lie in a little
truth.
God Bless
Matt
Ike E 10/29/09
"Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:-rCdnepVQYfgrW3X...@giganews.com...
[snip]
> Then you know what you're doing every time you bear false witness, such as
> in this thread, and when you try to discredit people when they are
> correctly proclaiming the gospel:
Oh, really? When did you stop being a Dispensationalist?
[snip]
Ike
Ike E 10/29/09
"....Matt...." <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
news:bsg0f59kt6vckm2it...@4ax.com...
[snip]
> I know for a fact some of your teachings are Eisegesis...
"SOME?"
Try "MOST."
[snip]
Ike
....Matt....
LOL
What is being discussed about Rev. is over my head. I do find it
interesting though.
God Bless
Matt
Ike E 10/29/09
Well, here's some advice: If you want to understand prophecy future, study
the history of the times in which the prophets gave their prophecies, then
study the times of Jesus Christ, then put A and B together, and you'll
arrive at a pretty good picture of prophecy future, or, as the Teacher
said...
"That which has been is now, and that which it to be has already become, and
God requires that which is past." [Ecc 3:15]
That's prophecy in a nutshell.
Ike
I
<whatever>
What is Randy � Young's standard for measuring whether something is true?
A man-made fallible bible!
Randy � Young of Ankeny, IA is ignorant of the fact ALL of Randy �Young's
perceptions about the bible have come through his five senses.
CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE
By name: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html
By book: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_book.html
Randy � Young of Ankeny, IA - IDOLATROUS BIBLE WORSHIPPER
Randy � Young of Ankeny, IA - USELESS UNEMPLOYED BUM! LOOK FOR WORK!
Ike E 10/29/09
"I" <me@home000000000000480> wrote in message
news:4af08d32$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
Then we have the other extreme, the cultists of the Jesus Seminar et al, who
think that a few variations and errors undo the whole story.
Ike
Fred A Stover
The more you blaspheme the Holy Spirit, the worse your fate becomes.
Slither back under your rock, Satan.
Fred A Stover
No Mutt, you're Satan's lackey.
Fred A Stover
Amen!!
You don't get much falser than Matt, but his forte is blaspheming the Holy
Spirit.
--
His,
More @ www.selah-tx.net
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the
Lord
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Verily I say unto you, Whosoever
shall not receive the kingdom of God
as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
(Mark 10:15)
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<)))))))><
>>
>> Matt
Fred A Stover
Cursed, I for idiot risks all he has to criticize a blessed believer for
reading the Lord's word instead of conjuring up archaeologists digging up a
mummified Hilkiah with a scroll of deuteronomy in his hand.
It looks like Randy won't need his salary. He'll own the idiot's home and
the idiot's internet provider.
Fred A Stover
> "r m" <roy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think that one of the dangers we face is taking our experience of
>> Christianity as the only valid expression for God's church and His
>> people, when it would be diverse.
>
> My acceptance of a broad range of belief has come through contact with
> friends of diverse belief.
So broad and open-minded that you're flat and empty-headed.
....Matt....
wrote:
>....Matt.... wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:03:37 -0600, "Fred A Stover" <fst...@tx.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ....Mutt yelped.... wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 23:50:33 +0100, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
>>>> <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> YUCK!
>>>
>>> More drivel from Satan's lackey.
>>
>>
>> You call Vera Satan's Lackey?
>>
>> You still a nutcase Fred.
>>
>> Give us some old time eisegesis
>>
>> God Bless
>>
>> Matt
>
>
>No Mutt, you're Satan's lackey.
Freddy boy. How are you? Credibility Zero for Fred.
Now go fight with yourself you old fraud you.
God Bless
Matt
....Matt....
wrote:
>r m wrote:
LOL Wrong again you old fake you. LOL
Better get randy to do more of his Eisegesis: is the process of
misinterpreting a text in such a way that it introduces one's own
ideas, reading into the text.
Your good at it too Fred A Stover
You do know your little gang is powerless and impotent as you have no
true authority except for your lies and deceptive practices
Well at least you didn't call anyone satan in this post got to give
you that. LOL
Now go fight with yourself.
God Bless
Matt
Think it might be time for a little spam Sad that
....Matt....
wrote:
Fred Fred Fred here you go calling people satan and making false
judgements again. Well what have we all come to expect. You are
powerless and a fraud.
Now go fight with yourself bet you loose that debate too LOL
Oh fake one get a life. You have shown me proof you are not of Christ
many times. You claim the Holy Spirit and still lie and use
deception. Sorry the Holy Spirit is perfect and TRUTH.
God Bless You
Matt
Randy ®
....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
> Fred Fred Fred here you go calling people satan and making false
> judgements again.
Who empowers believers to understand spiritual truths?
1 Corinthians 2:12-16 NIV
(12) We have not received the spirit of the world but the
Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has
freely given us.
(13) This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human
wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual
truths in spiritual words.
(14) The man without the Spirit does not accept the things
that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to
him, and he cannot understand them, because they are
spiritually discerned.
(15) The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but
he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
(16) "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may
instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
Answer: The Holy Spirit
To whom does Marty attribute Vera's ability to understand
Scripture?
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:04:09 -0800,
In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
Article <9qkh63hgmaqptrppt...@4ax.com>,
Subject: Re: ******This is Flamer
Matt/Duane/Lurker/mematt/whatever else******
Matt. <trdell1234@......gmail.com > wrote:
**************************************************************
Satan is Vera. Look at her words for the last few years. they
are Satans words using scripture, twisted to satans wishes.
**************************************************************
Answer: Satan.
Now then, if the Holy Spirit empowered Vera to understand any
of those Scriptures over the years, while she's been defending
the doctrine of the deity of Christ, the reliability of our
Bibles, and the triune nature of God, and Matt said that power
came from Satan, how has Marty not attributed power that came
from the Holy Spirit to Satan?
--
Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
....Matt....
wrote:
>On Sat, 11/07/09, at 10:26:33AM,
>....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Fred Fred Fred here you go calling people satan and making false
>> judgements again.
>
I thought you'd bring out the spam Randy. Now go to Rodine park and
pray and meditate.
Now go fight with yourself
God Bless
Matt
I
Fred A Stover
LOL is right. Your nutso posts are a matter of record.
Fred A Stover
Still lying. Satan is the spirit being addressed. He inhabits the ones who
let him enter.
Fred A Stover
> How Is Randy Young Not An Abusive Bully?
Only to liars who feel bullied by the truth.
Mordecai
Fred A Stover wrote:
> I wrote:
> > How Is Randy Young Not An Abusive Bully?
>
> Only to liars who feel bullied by the truth.
Randy? Truth?
He condemns those who do not break the law of Moses and exonerates those who do.
How? He condemns homosexuals and lesbians, not those who engage in male to male anal sex.
Lesbians do not break the law. Many male homosexuals do not break the law as they say "If I wanted sex,
I would go to a woman" and refuse anal sex - to either give or receive.
Bi-sexual people are not condemned as they are not homosexuals.
Heterosexuals who engage in such anal sex ... for example in temple prostitution, rape (including male
child rape or pedophilia), sexual outlet where there are no women (example jails of the old long
distance sailors) ... These are acceptable.
Further - the old concept was men who engage in sex with men, sodomites ... and for 1900 years before
the psychologists defined the words for homosexuality, the word was translated as those who have anal
sex with men.
But it is only the last century that this word was translated as "homosexual." and it is only in the
last century that paul was magically understood as to what he meant because ... Translators used the
word homosexual and commentaries repeated the use of the term.
BTW - for over half of the last century, the word "homosexual" was still used as males who had anal sex
with men rather than the clinical definition related to desires which is being used today. This is a
case of the English language changing its terminology.
Sigh .., I am sorry, you have presented Randy as having the truth.
In this subject, he does not ... but even that is not important.
He does not seek the truth, does not live the truth - and when his ideas are wrong, will not allow truth
to change him and to grow and repent. That IS important.
Please note, he might be a christian, might be save, might be accepted, might be going to heaven ... I
have no idea. That is between him and the most high ... and I do not know the mind of the most high upon
this point ... nor do I particularly care to know.
But he is not a truth follower, a truth holder, a truth lover, a man who walks and lives truth.
It is not the correctness of beliefs which sets aside those who love truth - but rather what they do
when they find they have made a mistake which shows if a person loves the truth.
You should not have chosen this as a defence for Randy as you have condemned him ...and yourself.
Randy is openly sinning. It is not exactly secret.
It takes ten minutes of research to check it out.
You could have checked.
You did not.
Thus - in using this as a defence of Randy, you have also condemned yourself.
Sorry Fred.
Unfortunately - you are not a reliable witness.
You do not love truth.
--
Mordecai!
When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is wrong, and reality is Never
wrong.
....Matt....
wrote:
>I wrote:
>> How Is Randy Young Not An Abusive Bully?
>
>Only to liars who feel bullied by the truth.
This from a person that is one of the biggest fakes on these NGs.
Fred A Stover you are a total fraud, fake and fool.
You speak for no other than yourself.
God Bless
Matt
....Matt....
wrote:
All our post are a matter of record. Your being a false teacher is
beyond doubt.
God Bless
Matt
....Matt....
wrote:
Then maybe you should not let him in. I don't, although I will
admit my human nature comes out from time to time. Your such a fraud
with your judgements.
God Bless
Matt
Fred A Stover
His judgments: Titus 3:10-11
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
[11] Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned
of himself.
Fred A Stover
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:32:36 -0600, "Fred A Stover" <fst...@tx.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I wrote:
>>> How Is Randy Young Not An Abusive Bully?
>>
>> Only to liars who feel bullied by the truth.
>
>
> This from a person that is one of the biggest fakes on these NGs.
>
> Fred A Stover you are a total fraud, fake and fool.
Obviously not, for you're still feeling the sting of the truth.
>
> You speak for no other than yourself.
He speaks clearly, Satan:
Titus 3:10-11
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
[11] Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned
of himself.
Fred A Stover
Antichrist, Mutt, blaspheme's again, calling the Lord's testimony a lie.
--
His,
More @ www.selah-tx.net
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Lord
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shall not receive the kingdom of God
as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
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<)))))))><.
....Matt....
wrote:
>....Matt.... wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:32:36 -0600, "Fred A Stover" <fst...@tx.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I wrote:
>>>> How Is Randy Young Not An Abusive Bully?
>>>
>>> Only to liars who feel bullied by the truth.
>>
>>
>> This from a person that is one of the biggest fakes on these NGs.
>>
>> Fred A Stover you are a total fraud, fake and fool.
>
>Obviously not, for you're still feeling the sting of the truth.
What truth yours? You seldom speak truth just false judgements that
apply more to yourself.
>
>>
>> You speak for no other than yourself.
>
>He speaks clearly, Satan:
No that was you speaking Fred A Stover.
>
>Titus 3:10-11
> A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
>[11] Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned
>of himself.
Yep your a heretic Fred
....Matt....
wrote:
Not the Lord's teaching as they are all truth. You false
interpretations of them maybe at times and your false judgements.
Face it your a Fraud, Fake and Fool.
You are a False teacher.
Your judgement was false so therefor you must be as well.
1 Corinthians 4:5
5 Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord
comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and
will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive
commendation from God.
God knows my heart you did not.
God Bless
Matt
....Matt....
wrote:
I have rejected your teachings Fred A Stover and Vera's and Randy's.
Heretics all.
I follow God's teachings and serve Christ with the help of the Holy
Spirit.
God Bless
Matt
Randy ®
....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
> God knows my heart you did not.
You reveal the condition of your heart by what you say:
Answer: The Holy Spirit
Answer: Satan.
--
....Matt....
wrote:
>On Mon, 11/09/09, at 10:35:49AM,
>....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> God knows my heart you did not.
>
>You reveal the condition of your heart by what you say:
Yes and no. What is in your heart God knows. What is in your heart
is longer lasting than words spoken. God knows every ones heart.
>
>Who empowers believers to understand spiritual truths?
Yes thank you I do feel Empowered today. The Holy Spirit is a
wonderful teacher.
PS.. so Randy is saying that Vera Six was directly told by the Holy
Spirit to make a post with the subject line saying
******This is Flamer Matt/Duane/Lurker/mematt/whatever else******
Your credibility is none existent as I would not believe you or her in
this.
Randy the eisegete You are sad Randy.
God Bless and Help you.
Matt
Randy ®
....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
No, I cited the example being referred to. It was you
attributing everything she said in here for years to Satan.
> ******This is Flamer Matt/Duane/Lurker/mematt/whatever else******
On Tue, 10/06/09, at 11:43:21AM,
In Group: alt.christnet.christianlife
Article: <dqsmc5hb14cenetrv...@4ax.com>
..Matt.. <trdel...@gmail.comnospam> wrote:
*****************************************************************
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:29:48 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
<jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that
believeth not is
>>condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of
the only
>>begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light
is come
>>into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light,
because their
>>deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the
light, neither
>>cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he
that
>>doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made
manifest,
>>that they are wrought in God. (John 3:18-21 KJV)
Vera Six so your lying, Misdirection, Deceptive practices and
Hate are
"Justified" by your and Randy's Eisegesis LOL
*****************************************************************
Randy �: Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
from the dead? Did you know God saves you
from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this
finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph.
2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God
alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
(<iqjfa51qs8mtmjfqt...@4ax.com>)
Dan Listermann: Silliness.
(<6046d$4aa7ee2c$4a53bf9f$48...@FUSE.NET>)
Randy �: 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 NIV
(3) And even if our gospel is veiled, it is
veiled to those
who are perishing.
(4) The god of this age has blinded the minds of
unbelievers,
so that they cannot see the light of the gospel
of the glory
of Christ, who is the image of God.
(<iqjfa51qs8mtmjfqt...@4ax.com>)
Marty: Is this what you call exegesis. Sad example.
I have seen real exegesis and this isn't even close.
(<pgvfa5dcl0agat2e2...@4ax.com>)
> Your credibility is none existent as I would not believe you or her in
> this.
The gospel you attack is the credible word of God.
> Randy the eisegete You are sad Randy.
>
> God Bless and Help you.
>
> Matt
You attack the gospel, not me, liar. See above.
Ike E 11/05/09
"Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5KCdnUsbMLor7mXX...@giganews.com...
[snip]
> No, I cited the example being referred to. It was you attributing
> everything she said in here for years to Satan.
Which isn't that far from the truth, so what's the problem with his
statement? (Not that I've heard his doctrines and are prepared to defend
them).
You've been preaching the doctrines of Satan--the missing week theory, the
front-loaded fake "gospel," the rapture myth--for years, TOO, and yet claim
to be "led in the Spirit."
Go figure.
Ike
Randy ®
Ike E 11/05/09 <xhermanei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Randy �"<pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5KCdnUsbMLor7mXX...@giganews.com...
>
> [snip]
>
>> > No, I cited the example being referred to. It was you attributing
>> > everything she said in here for years to Satan.
> Which isn't that far from the truth, so what's the problem with his
> statement? (Not that I've heard his doctrines and are prepared to defend
> them).
He says the same thing when someone does nothing other than quote
the gospel to others:
....Matt....
wrote:
>On Mon, 11/09/09, at 2:02:09PM,
>Ike E 11/05/09 <xhermanei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Randy �"<pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5KCdnUsbMLor7mXX...@giganews.com...
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> > No, I cited the example being referred to. It was you attributing
>>> > everything she said in here for years to Satan.
>> Which isn't that far from the truth, so what's the problem with his
>> statement? (Not that I've heard his doctrines and are prepared to defend
>> them).
>
>
>He says the same thing when someone does nothing other than quote
>the gospel to others:
>
Not normally just your interpretations of them Your Eisgesis of them.
I love quoting the Gospel do it all the time in here. I think if you
checked you would find Vera was doing much more than quoting gospel.
Maybe a little lying, name calling and use of deceptive practices.
Fred and Vera call people satan all the time.
I consider misdirection, lies and deceptive practices to not be from
God.
God Bless
Matt
Randy ®
....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:07:40 -0600, Randy �<pulpi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> >On Mon, 11/09/09, at 2:02:09PM,
>> >Ike E 11/05/09<xhermanei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>>> >> "Randy �"<pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:5KCdnUsbMLor7mXX...@giganews.com...
>>> >>
>>> >> [snip]
>>> >>
>>>>> >>> > No, I cited the example being referred to. It was you attributing
>>>>> >>> > everything she said in here for years to Satan.
>>> >> Which isn't that far from the truth, so what's the problem with his
>>> >> statement? (Not that I've heard his doctrines and are prepared to defend
>>> >> them).
>> >
>> >
>> >He says the same thing when someone does nothing other than quote
>> >the gospel to others:
>> >
> Not normally just your interpretations of them Your Eisgesis of them.
Prove it. Show from the below where we were eisegeting, not
proclaiming the truth of the gospel:
....Matt....
<xhermanei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:5KCdnUsbMLor7mXX...@giganews.com...
>
>[snip]
>
>> No, I cited the example being referred to. It was you attributing
>> everything she said in here for years to Satan.
>
>Which isn't that far from the truth, so what's the problem with his
>statement? (Not that I've heard his doctrines and are prepared to defend
>them).
I'm a Southern Baptist and my Doctrinal beliefs are in line with them.
You will find Randy's main dispute with me is I believe we are all
allowed to have opinions. I like a read a good debate which means I
need to see all sides of the issue, not just automatically have to
agree with Randy and Vera's little group.
To make it short I won't attack those he says to and am polite to even
those I disagree with.
I want as many as possible to find Christ and you can't force that the
way Randy seems to want to.
Luke 15:7 (New King James Version)
7 I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one
sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no
repentance.
God Bless
Matt
Randy ®
....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:02:09 -0600, "Ike E 11/05/09"
> <xhermanei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>> >"Randy �"<pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:5KCdnUsbMLor7mXX...@giganews.com...
>> >
>> >[snip]
>> >
>>> >> No, I cited the example being referred to. It was you attributing
>>> >> everything she said in here for years to Satan.
>> >
>> >Which isn't that far from the truth, so what's the problem with his
>> >statement? (Not that I've heard his doctrines and are prepared to defend
>> >them).
> I'm a Southern Baptist and my Doctrinal beliefs are in line with them.
> You will find Randy's main dispute with me is I believe we are all
> allowed to have opinions.
If you think you're going to suck Herman into some idiotic
political consensus that favors you or your little group, you
don't know Herman.
....Matt....
wrote:
>On Mon, 11/09/09, at 2:20:03PM,
>....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:07:40 -0600, Randy �<pulpi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> >On Mon, 11/09/09, at 2:02:09PM,
>>> >Ike E 11/05/09<xhermanei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>>> >> "Randy �"<pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> news:5KCdnUsbMLor7mXX...@giganews.com...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> [snip]
>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> > No, I cited the example being referred to. It was you attributing
>>>>>> >>> > everything she said in here for years to Satan.
>>>> >> Which isn't that far from the truth, so what's the problem with his
>>>> >> statement? (Not that I've heard his doctrines and are prepared to defend
>>>> >> them).
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >He says the same thing when someone does nothing other than quote
>>> >the gospel to others:
>>> >
>> Not normally just your interpretations of them Your Eisgesis of them.
>
>Prove it. Show from the below where we were eisegeting, not
>proclaiming the truth of the gospel:
>
Sorry Randy prove that you were. You are powerless and have no
authority over me at all.
I have the truth from a higher source than you.
God Bless
Matt
....Matt....
wrote:
>On Mon, 11/09/09, at 2:27:34PM,
>....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:02:09 -0600, "Ike E 11/05/09"
>> <xhermanei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >
>>> >"Randy �"<pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >news:5KCdnUsbMLor7mXX...@giganews.com...
>>> >
>>> >[snip]
>>> >
>>>> >> No, I cited the example being referred to. It was you attributing
>>>> >> everything she said in here for years to Satan.
>>> >
>>> >Which isn't that far from the truth, so what's the problem with his
>>> >statement? (Not that I've heard his doctrines and are prepared to defend
>>> >them).
>> I'm a Southern Baptist and my Doctrinal beliefs are in line with them.
>> You will find Randy's main dispute with me is I believe we are all
>> allowed to have opinions.
>
>
>If you think you're going to suck Herman into some idiotic
>political consensus that favors you or your little group, you
>don't know Herman.
No not at all. Just explaining my Doctrinal stance. It is fact and
truth that matter here.
I think anyone here knows I believe we all have a right to our
opinions even you. Your eisegesis also.
God Bless
Matt
Randy ®
....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
And there you have it ladies and gentlemen. Matt once again
refuses to back up his claims from Scripture. He simply levels
the accusation, then tries to rally a political consensus behind it.
Randy ®
....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
> No not at all. Just explaining my Doctrinal stance. It is fact and
> truth that matter here.
>
> I think anyone here knows I believe we all have a right to our
> opinions even you. Your eisegesis also.
Why do you feign you are championing the cause of personal
opinion, while you attack us for even quoting what the Bible
says, and even if you were, why would the cause of personal
opinion be more important to a christian than the gospel you attack?
Randy �: Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
from the dead? Did you know God saves you
from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this
finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph.
2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God
alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
(<iqjfa51qs8mtmjfqt...@4ax.com>)
Dan Listermann: Silliness.
(<6046d$4aa7ee2c$4a53bf9f$48...@FUSE.NET>)
Randy �: 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 NIV
(3) And even if our gospel is veiled, it is
veiled to those
who are perishing.
(4) The god of this age has blinded the minds of
unbelievers,
so that they cannot see the light of the gospel
of the glory
of Christ, who is the image of God.
(<iqjfa51qs8mtmjfqt...@4ax.com>)
Marty: Is this what you call exegesis. Sad example.
I have seen real exegesis and this isn't even close.
(<pgvfa5dcl0agat2e2...@4ax.com>)
--
....Matt....
wrote:
>On Mon, 11/09/09, at 2:35:04PM,
>....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No not at all. Just explaining my Doctrinal stance. It is fact and
>> truth that matter here.
>>
>> I think anyone here knows I believe we all have a right to our
>> opinions even you. Your eisegesis also.
>
>
>Why do you feign you are championing the cause of personal
>opinion, while you attack us for even quoting what the Bible
>says, and even if you were, why would the cause of personal
>opinion be more important to a christian than the gospel you attack?
Randy your opinions on interpretations of Bible Verses are not
necessarily correct. Your eisegesis is not gospel just your opinion.
Sad but true.
Your judgements are also in doubt.
God Bless
Matt
....Matt....
wrote:
There you have it Randy can't back up his claims that his eisegesis is
correct. I don't need a consensus Randy. You are impotent in power
and authority over me.
Randy you loose more debates than you win in here because you have no
credibility anymore.
God Bless
Matt
Randy ®
....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
> Randy your opinions on interpretations of Bible Verses are not
> necessarily correct.
That's a lie. You attack the gospel even when it's just being
quoted directly from Scripture, then you label it an "opinion",
as if that will somehow justify your behavior:
--
Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
Randy ®
....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>> And there you have it ladies and gentlemen. Matt once again
>> >refuses to back up his claims from Scripture. He simply levels
>> >the accusation, then tries to rally a political consensus behind it.
>
> There you have it Randy can't back up his claims that his eisegesis is
> correct. I don't need a consensus Randy. You are impotent in power
> and authority over me.
>
> Randy you loose more debates than you win in here because you have no
> credibility anymore.
>
> God Bless
>
> Matt
You attacking someone who is quoting the gospel directly from
Scripture, nor your idiotic attempts to cover that up by acting
like it was simply an "opinion" or "eisegesis" does not establish
you as a credible witness, idiot:
Randy �: Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
from the dead? Did you know God saves you
from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this
finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph.
2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God
alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
(<iqjfa51qs8mtmjfqt...@4ax.com>)
Dan Listermann: Silliness.
(<6046d$4aa7ee2c$4a53bf9f$48...@FUSE.NET>)
Randy �: 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 NIV
(3) And even if our gospel is veiled, it is
veiled to those
who are perishing.
(4) The god of this age has blinded the minds of
unbelievers,
so that they cannot see the light of the gospel
of the glory
of Christ, who is the image of God.
(<iqjfa51qs8mtmjfqt...@4ax.com>)
Marty: Is this what you call exegesis. Sad example.
I have seen real exegesis and this isn't even close.
(<pgvfa5dcl0agat2e2...@4ax.com>)
--
....Matt....
wrote:
>On Mon, 11/09/09, at 3:26:12PM,
>....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> And there you have it ladies and gentlemen. Matt once again
>>> >refuses to back up his claims from Scripture. He simply levels
>>> >the accusation, then tries to rally a political consensus behind it.
>>
>> There you have it Randy can't back up his claims that his eisegesis is
>> correct. I don't need a consensus Randy. You are impotent in power
>> and authority over me.
>>
>> Randy you loose more debates than you win in here because you have no
>> credibility anymore.
>>
>> God Bless
>>
>> Matt
>
>
>You attacking someone who is quoting the gospel directly from
>Scripture, nor your idiotic attempts to cover that up by acting
>like it was simply an "opinion" or "eisegesis" does not establish
>you as a credible witness, idiot:
Ok Whatever better say I'm a drunk again LOL
Your really low on credibility how many people you attacking to day.
Oh pious one Randy Young LOL
Randy your time would be better spent looking for work. Your
eisegesis will never be universally excepted.
I serve and obey only God as led by the Holy Spirit. You are not in
my opinion as you are to interested in your power and authority.
You would think DM, IA would give you more to do.
God Bless
Matt
I
> Your really low on credibility how many people you attacking to day.
> Oh pious one Randy Young LOL
>
> Randy your time would be better spent looking for work. Your
> eisegesis will never be universally excepted.
Randy Young has major psychological problems. He has a bible idoloatry that
disrupts the whole of his life including looking for work.
Would you want to hire him as a fellow worker? Can you imagine staff
meetings if Randy was in attendance? A bible verse for every action!
Maybe Randy Young doesn't have anything else in his life EXCEPT a bible.
How very sad!
One learns SO much about God from meeting new people with different ideas.
I've explained how I've learnt much from Jews, Catholics, Orthodox,
Fundamentalists, Moselms, Gnostics, Agnostics, Atheists.
Truth can be found in the strangest of places. All truth is God's truth.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
OOednWsHLO2ZFGXX...@giganews.com
> On Mon, 11/09/09, at 3:23:07PM,
> ....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Randy your opinions on interpretations of Bible Verses are not
>> necessarily correct.
>
> That's a lie. You attack the gospel even when it's just being
> quoted directly from Scripture, then you label it an "opinion",
> as if that will somehow justify your behavior:
Correct!
::: Jesus is LORD :::
OOednWoHLO0_FGXX...@giganews.com
> On Mon, 11/09/09, at 3:26:12PM,
> ....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> And there you have it ladies and gentlemen. Matt once again
>>>> refuses to back up his claims from Scripture. He simply levels
>>>> the accusation, then tries to rally a political consensus behind
>>>> it.
>>
>> There you have it Randy can't back up his claims that his eisegesis
>> is correct. I don't need a consensus Randy. You are impotent in
>> power and authority over me.
>>
>> Randy you loose more debates than you win in here because you have no
>> credibility anymore.
>>
>> God Bless
>>
>> Matt
>
>
> You attacking someone who is quoting the gospel directly from
> Scripture, nor your idiotic attempts to cover that up by acting
> like it was simply an "opinion" or "eisegesis" does not establish
> you as a credible witness, idiot:
Correct!
Ike E 11/05/09
"I" <me@home000000000000524> wrote in message
news:4af8...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
[snip]
> One learns SO much about God from meeting new people with different ideas.
> I've explained how I've learnt much from Jews, Catholics, Orthodox,
> Fundamentalists, Moselms, Gnostics, Agnostics, Atheists.
>
> Truth can be found in the strangest of places. All truth is God's truth.
<sniff, sniff>
I smell a two-bit whore around here.
Ike
Ike E 11/05/09
"....Matt...." <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
news:obugf5ln94fqcbvtd...@4ax.com...
[snip]
> I'm a Southern Baptist and my Doctrinal beliefs are in line with them.
Oh, this isn't going to be pretty...
[snip]
Ike
Ike E 11/05/09
[snip]
> If you think you're going to suck Herman into some idiotic political
> consensus that favors you or your little group, you don't know Herman.
Well, you've got that part right. I don't rely on consensus--that's how the
churches (and the world) got into the current morass.
[snip]
Ike
Fred A Stover
ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!
The froot-looped banana nut plays psychoanalyst..........
--
His,
More @ www.selah-tx.net
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Fred A Stover
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 04:58:28 -0600, "Fred A Stover" <fst...@tx.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> ....Matt.... wrote:
>>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:32:36 -0600, "Fred A Stover"
>>> <fst...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wrote:
>>>>> How Is Randy Young Not An Abusive Bully?
>>>>
>>>> Only to liars who feel bullied by the truth.
>>>
>>>
>>> This from a person that is one of the biggest fakes on these NGs.
>>>
>>> Fred A Stover you are a total fraud, fake and fool.
>>
>> Obviously not, for you're still feeling the sting of the truth.
>
> What truth yours? You seldom speak truth just false judgements that
> apply more to yourself.
>>
>>>
>>> You speak for no other than yourself.
>>
>> He speaks clearly, Satan:
>
> No that was you speaking Fred A Stover.
>>
>> Titus 3:10-11
>> A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition
>> reject; [11] Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth,
>> being condemned of himself.
>
> Yep your a heretic Fred
Your heresy and self condemnation is a matter of record.
....Matt....
<fst...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>....Matt.... wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 04:58:28 -0600, "Fred A Stover" <fst...@tx.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ....Matt.... wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:32:36 -0600, "Fred A Stover"
>>>> <fst...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I wrote:
>>>>>> How Is Randy Young Not An Abusive Bully?
>>>>>
>>>>> Only to liars who feel bullied by the truth.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This from a person that is one of the biggest fakes on these NGs.
>>>>
>>>> Fred A Stover you are a total fraud, fake and fool.
>>>
>>> Obviously not, for you're still feeling the sting of the truth.
>>
>> What truth yours? You seldom speak truth just false judgements that
>> apply more to yourself.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You speak for no other than yourself.
>>>
>>> He speaks clearly, Satan:
>>
>> No that was you speaking Fred A Stover.
>>>
>>> Titus 3:10-11
>>> A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition
>>> reject; [11] Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth,
>>> being condemned of himself.
>>
>> Yep your a heretic Fred
>
>
>Your heresy and self condemnation is a matter of record.
Please show it Fred A Stover. If you can't then yours is.
God Bless
Matt
Randy ®
....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>> Your heresy and self condemnation is a matter of record.
> Please show it Fred A Stover.
On Tue, 10/06/09, at 11:43:21AM,
....Matt....
LOL I know I have read many of your post. The difference between
myself and many others is that I believe you have a right to your own
views.
I don't believe people are controlled by satan for disagreeing with
Randy, Vera and Fred's so called exegesis.
I have found this article
http://christianity.about.com/od/denominations/a/baptistdenom.htm
The Below I do not agree with as myself and my wife are equal out of
love. Respect is foremost in our relationship. I do agree it is the
husbands job to protect the family.
***************************
Equality - In a resolution released in 1998, Southern Baptists view
all people as equal in God's eyes, but believe the husband or man has
authority in the household and responsibility to protect his family.
The wife or woman ought to respect and love her husband and submit
graciously to his demands.
****************************
The Southern Baptist convention also has this just less plain.
What is your opinion on this? I was raised a SB, but interested in
your opinions of thier core values.
I now visit many denominations and have found few I truly dislike.
Have also found a few SB pastors that rubbed me the wrong way.
God Bless
Matt
....Matt....
wrote:
Randy this is a cut and paste spam. I agree with the Bible just not
your eisegesis of it. So to disagree with the Randy is to commit
heresy. BTW the first quote was Vera's reply to my post on pure
scripture that you removed for effect. A deceptive practice. My
statement was about your and Vera's eisegesis of scripture not the
scripture itself. Better to go back to calling me a drunk it might
work better.
It looks like your trying to replace Griz here. Won't work you have
less than half the brain Griz does. Griz I could respect and agree
with even although not always. Your not even half the man Griz is.
Now go make a spam of how often Griz and I disagreed. I learned in
time to respect him as he and I both changed.
God Bless
Matt
::: Jesus is LORD :::
7lt7fmF...@mid.individual.net
> I for idiot babbled nonsense:
>
>
>
>
> ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!
>
> The froot-looped banana nut plays psychoanalyst..........
But Fred, how can you write such a thing about our dear heretick Mark
Tindall? It should have been "foot-looped" banana nut!
By the way... talking of nuts... my new diet is to eat only five
spoonful of nuts every day.
Question: Are cocos nuts nuts?
What I did not know was that peanuts are no nuts at all, so I should
better use the cocos nuts for my diet.
Randy ®
::: Jesus is LORD ::: <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
> By the way... talking of nuts... my new diet is to eat only five
> spoonful of nuts every day.
I'm not sure that's healthy.
--
Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
Randy ®
....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with the Bible just not
> your eisegesis of it. So to disagree with the Randy is to commit
> heresy.
You repeat the same unsubstantiated lie by which you attacked us
when we were quoting the gospel from Scripture, as if that proves
you aren't attacking the gospel we quoted?
--
Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
....Matt....
wrote:
>On Tue, 11/10/09, at 10:54:03AM,
>....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree with the Bible just not
>> your eisegesis of it. So to disagree with the Randy is to commit
>> heresy.
>
>You repeat the same unsubstantiated lie by which you attacked us
>when we were quoting the gospel from Scripture, as if that proves
>you aren't attacking the gospel we quoted?
Can you show more than this one time?
God Bless
Matt
PS the lie is still there.
Randy ®
....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:47:29 -0600, Randy �<pulpi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> >On Tue, 11/10/09, at 10:54:03AM,
>> >....Matt....<trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>>> >> I agree with the Bible just not
>>> >> your eisegesis of it. So to disagree with the Randy is to commit
>>> >> heresy.
>> >
>> >You repeat the same unsubstantiated lie by which you attacked us
>> >when we were quoting the gospel from Scripture, as if that proves
>> >you aren't attacking the gospel we quoted?
> Can you show more than this one time?
You just made the same claim again about it. Show from what the
Bible says and we said those posts, that we were practicing
eisegesis:
--
Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
::: Jesus is LORD :::
8JqdnXz8fKqDKWTX...@giganews.com
> On Tue, 11/10/09, at 12:34:53AM,
> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>> By the way... talking of nuts... my new diet is to eat only five
>> spoonful of nuts every day.
>
> I'm not sure that's healthy.
Okay, I will leave the nuts in ACC. Enough is enough. :-)
Joking and ACC nuts aside, nuts are healthy. But I would not eat five
coconuts on a spoon a day. I have come to the conclusion that all the
"light" products are contra-productive to any diet for losing weight.
There are less calories, but they do not make one full. It is better to
eat something that has valuable things in it. If I eat a banana every
day, I get almost all the vitamins I need, and since bananas are sweet,
my longing for chocolate stops naturally. I have lost 9.6 kg (more than
21 pounds) of weight like this since April, and I have not been hungry
in this time and eaten whatever I liked to eat. I think losing weight
can be easy - gaining it can sometimes be much more difficult. But I had
to lose some weight, and my plan works well, although I had to have a
break for five weeks in between when I just tried not to gain back what
I had lost. After that I am now losing one pound after the other.
I watched a man on TV who had lost 140 kg (more than 300 lb) in a year,
so I thought I could lose a few pounds, too. :-) It can be easy if one
does not want to lose too much at once. It just takes patience and the
knowledge that one cannot keep diets if you have to reject your
favourite food all the time, or if you have to run around hungry all the
time. My diet is based on eating much at the right time. I also eat
chips and mayonnaise. :-) And cream cake. :-) Once a week I eat more
than on the other days, so my body is tricked out the next day when I am
back to the normal portions. :-) I have exchanged the white bread with
dark bread, though, and I do not eat too much fat.
Prayer helped much, too. My prophecy: If the person reading this can
manage to lose 2 lb in a month, he will have lost 24 lb until November
10, 2010! ;-)
....Matt....
wrote:
>On Tue, 11/10/09, at 1:31:07PM,
>....Matt.... <trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:47:29 -0600, Randy �<pulpi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> >On Tue, 11/10/09, at 10:54:03AM,
>>> >....Matt....<trdel...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>>> >> I agree with the Bible just not
>>>> >> your eisegesis of it. So to disagree with the Randy is to commit
>>>> >> heresy.
>>> >
>>> >You repeat the same unsubstantiated lie by which you attacked us
>>> >when we were quoting the gospel from Scripture, as if that proves
>>> >you aren't attacking the gospel we quoted?
>> Can you show more than this one time?
>
>You just made the same claim again about it. Show from what the
>Bible says and we said those posts, that we were practicing
>eisegesis:
LOL Randy this is looking more like the time you claimed Chuck said
I was a drunk over and over it is to no point.
Looks like you said I said over and over.
If I made a mistake and you weren't using Eisegesis I'm sorry.
When you post Bible verses alone and you claim they make your point it
sounds like your version of eisegesis.
Matt
I
<whatever>
The bible is NOT as important as God.
God is NOT the bible. Quoting the bible is NOT quoting God.
The bible contains BOTH truth and error (and many mixes of both).
The wise person knows how to correctly divide the two using one's God-given
mind (and to put to one side those parts which one is not sure of).
THAT is why some parts of the bible can be quoted because they are ACCURATE
and other parts are not quoted because they are INACCURATE.
The ignorant person, such as Randy Young, believes ALL the bible to be 100%
correct even the contradictions, forgeries, editings, additions, etc. -
though Randy Young CANNOT tell us which of the MULTIPLE endings to Mark's
gospel is the ONE and ONLY true ending!!!!
#########################################################
Christ does not read the Bible, the New Testament, or the Gospel. He is the
norm of the Bible, the criterion of the New Testament, the incarnation of
the Gospel. ... The person, not the book, and the life, not the text, are
decisive and constitutive for us.
- John Dominic Crossan "God & Empire: Jesus against Rome, then and now,"
(HarperOne:2007) p. 95
########################################################
--
The most pronounced characteristics [of fundamentalists] are the following:
(a) a very strong emphasis on the inerrancy of the Bible, the absence from
it of any sort of error;
(b) a strong hostility to modern theology and to the methods, results and
implications of modern critical study of the Bible;
(c) an assurance that those who do not share their religious viewpoint are
not really 'true Christians' at all.
- James Barr "Fundamentalism" (SCM Press:1977) p.1
Randy ®
I <me@home000000000000526> wrote:
> The bible contains BOTH truth and error (and many mixes of both).
That contradicts what you said before:
On Sat, 10/03/09, at 6:08:47PM,
In Group: alt.christnet.christianlife
Article: <4ac7d97f$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>
I <me@home000000000000124> wrote:
*****************************************************************
You can't know for sure what is NOT an error in the bible.
*****************************************************************
Before you said you can't be sure what is not an error. Now
you're saying the Bible has both truth and error. That means you
would have to know that some of the Bible is true, which would
mean you are contradicting what you said when you claimed you
can't know what is not an error.
I
<whatever>
The bible is NOT as important as God.
God is NOT the bible. Quoting the bible is NOT quoting God.
The bible contains BOTH truth and error (and many mixes of both).
The wise person knows how to correctly divide the two using one's God-given
Fred A Stover
Jesus: "The one who has ears to hear" (Mt 11:15).
Matt: "a heretic"
Jesus: "He that has an ear, let him hear" (Rev 3:5).
Matt: "a heretic."
Jesus: "He that has an ear, let him hear" (Rev 3:13)
Matt: "a heretic."
Jesus: "in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be
established" (Matt 18:16).