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HOW YUSUF ESTES & HIS FAMILY CAME TO ISLAM?
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Mar 12, 2012, 8:52:26 AM3/12/12
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How Yusuf Estes & His Family Came to Islam?
Interviewer: "Can you tell us briefly, how did you, your father, wife,
children and a Catholic priest all come to Islam?"
Imam Estes: "I would love to. And thanks for giving us the chance to
share our story of how we came into Islam."
"To begin, let me mention a bit of my background. I was born in the
Midwest to strong Christian parents. We moved to Texas in 1949 and by
the time I was 12, I had joined the church and been baptized. Later as
a teen, I began playing the accordion, piano and organ. I visited
other churches and attended many sermons and played a lot of music.
As I grew older my father and I worked together in many business
projects and made millions of dollars, but could not find the peace of
mind that can only come through knowing the truth and finding the real
plan of salvation.
Then one day in 1991, my dad began doing business with a man from
Egypt (Mohamed Abdel Rahman) and told me that he wanted me to meet
him. But I was shocked when my father mentioned that this man was a
'Moslem.'
I said, "Dad, these guys are terrorists, hijackers, kidnappers and who
knows what else?
Dad assured me he was a very nice person and I had nothing to worry
about. I agreed to meeting, but only on my terms. I had to be coming
directly from church, on Sunday, with my Bible, cross and cap that
said, "Jesus is Lord!" As soon as we were introduced, I asked Mohamed
- "Do you believe in God?"
He said,"Yes." (Good!)
Then I said, "Do you believe in Adam and Eve?"
He said, "Yes."
I said, "What about Abraham? You believe in him and how he tried to
sacrifice his son for God?"
He said, "Yes."
Then I asked, "What about Moses?" "Ten Commandments?" "Parting the Red
Sea?"
Again he said, "Yes."
I asked, "What about the other prophets, David, Solomon and John the
Baptist?"
He said, "Yes."
I asked. "Do you believe in the Bible?"
Again, he said. "Yes."
So, now it was time for the big question:
"Do you believe in Jesus? That he was the Messiah (Christ) of God?"
Again he says, "Yes. I do."
Well, now! This was going to be easier than I had thought. He was
about to be baptized only he didn't know it, yet. (And I was just the
one to do it, too)
Then he said he would become a Christian, if my religion was better
than his. But I would have to bring proof. I told him, "Religion is
not about proof. It is about faith."
He said, "In Islam, we have both."
I said, "You mean you can prove God really exists?"
He said, "Yes. There is proof in Islam that God exists and that Islam
is the way to worship Him."
I was amazed. He seemed so confident and sure of what he was saying.
This was not what I was used to. Even preachers have said about many
things, "Just have faith." Or they say, "Don't ask. It is a mystery."
Yusuf Estes
I'm sure you have asked yourself the question; "Why did God create
me?" or "What is it that God wants me to do?" or "Exactly who is God,
anyway?" "Why do we believe in 'original sin?" and "Why would the sons
of Adam be forced to accept his 'sins' and then as a result be
punished forever. Right?"
"And then there is the concept of the 'Trinity.' If I would ask
preachers or ministers to give me some sort of an idea how 'one' could
figure out to become 'three'? Or how is it that God, Who can do
anything He Wills to do, both in and outside of the universe as we
know it, but He cannot just forgive people's sins unless there is
blood sacrifice even if He wants to?
So, He has to come down on earth and become a human, and only then is
He able to forgive by taking the sins of people by killing Himself on
a cross? And keeping in mind that all along He is still God of the
whole universe and does as He Wills to do?" All of these were
questions I grew up with and didn't really belief in some of the
answers.
At one point I recall asking him about the Quran and how many versions
of it there were in the last 1,400 years. He told me that there was
only ONE QURAN. And that it had never been changed. Yet he let me know
that the Quran had been memorized by hundreds of thousands of people,
in it's entirety and were scattered about the earth in many different
countries. Over the centuries since the Quran was revealed millions
have memorized it completely and have taught it to others who have
memorized it completely, from cover to cover, letter perfect without
mistakes. I came to know that the Muslims believed in the Bible.
Again, I was shocked. How could this be?
I learned Islam teaches: "Allah" is the Name of God in Arabic and it
is the same 'God' as the God of Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon and
Jesus, peace be upon them all.
Islam believes in Jesus as the "Christ" or "Messiah" and he is the
Word of God Incarnate, he is the "Logos" (Greek for 'word')
But that's not all, they believe in Jesus as:
A true messenger of God.
A prophet of God.
Miracle birth without human intervention.
He was the 'Christ' or Messiah as predicted in the Bible.
He is with God now
He will be coming back in the Last Days to lead the believers
against the 'Antichrist.'
- But he was not God, nor son of God. Rather, he was a mightily
messenger and prophet of God with miracles to prove the way of
salvation by sacrificing things of this life for a better life in the
Hereafter.
I found all of this to be very interesting.
One day the priest asked the Mohamed if he might accompany him to the
mosque to see what it was like there. A few more days went by and the
Catholic priest asked Mohamed if he might join him again for a trip to
the mosque which they did. When they arrived I said to him: "Pete? --
Did you become a 'Moslem?' He said that he had entered into Islam that
very day. THE PRIEST BECAME A MUSLIM!! I was really shocked now.
I began to discuss this with my wife and suddenly she told me she
wanted a divorce. I was confused and asked her, "Why?"
She said, "A Muslim can't be married to a Christian."
I replied, "I didn't say I want to be a Muslim - and besides, it is a
Muslim lady who does not marry a Christian man."
She said, "That is what I am talking about! I want to be a Muslim,
too!"
Shocked and confused, I went downstairs and woke up Mohamed and asked
him to come outside with me for a discussion. We walked and talked
that whole night through. He told me, "This is really about you and
God. You need to go down deep into your heart and ask Him."
I went out back behind my father's house and right there I put my head
down on the ground facing the direction do when they pray. Now then in
that position, with my body stretched out on the plywood and my head
on the ground, I asked: "O God. If you are there, guide me, guide me."
And then after a while I raised up my head and I noticed a change
inside of me. I was aware now more than ever before that it was time
that I really work at being an honest and upright man, doing what God
wants and not so much what I want.
I knew now what I had to do. Around 11:00 A.M. that morning, I stood
before two witnesses, one the ex-priest, formerly known as Father
Peter Jacob's, and the other Mohamed Abel Rehman and announced my
'shahadah' (open testimony to the Oneness of God and the prophethood
of Muhammad, peace be upon him).
A few minutes later, my wife followed along and gave the same
testimony. But for her there were 3 witnesses (me being the third).
My father was more reserved on the subject and waited a few more
months before he made his shahadah (public testimony). But he did
finally commit to Islam and began offering prayers right along with me
and the other Muslims in the local masjid (mosque).
Our whole house had become Muslim along with a Catholic priest. How?
Only from the Guidance of Allah.
For the entire story with all the details Click Here.
http://islam.thetruecall.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=85
Interviewer: "Can you tell us briefly, how did you, your father, wife,
children and a Catholic priest all come to Islam?"
Imam Estes: "I would love to. And thanks for giving us the chance to
share our story of how we came into Islam."
"To begin, let me mention a bit of my background. I was born in the
Midwest to strong Christian parents. We moved to Texas in 1949 and by
the time I was 12, I had joined the church and been baptized. Later as
a teen, I began playing the accordion, piano and organ. I visited
other churches and attended many sermons and played a lot of music.
As I grew older my father and I worked together in many business
projects and made millions of dollars, but could not find the peace of
mind that can only come through knowing the truth and finding the real
plan of salvation.
Then one day in 1991, my dad began doing business with a man from
Egypt (Mohamed Abdel Rahman) and told me that he wanted me to meet
him. But I was shocked when my father mentioned that this man was a
'Moslem.'
I said, "Dad, these guys are terrorists, hijackers, kidnappers and who
knows what else?
Dad assured me he was a very nice person and I had nothing to worry
about. I agreed to meeting, but only on my terms. I had to be coming
directly from church, on Sunday, with my Bible, cross and cap that
said, "Jesus is Lord!" As soon as we were introduced, I asked Mohamed
- "Do you believe in God?"
He said,"Yes." (Good!)
Then I said, "Do you believe in Adam and Eve?"
He said, "Yes."
I said, "What about Abraham? You believe in him and how he tried to
sacrifice his son for God?"
He said, "Yes."
Then I asked, "What about Moses?" "Ten Commandments?" "Parting the Red
Sea?"
Again he said, "Yes."
I asked, "What about the other prophets, David, Solomon and John the
Baptist?"
He said, "Yes."
I asked. "Do you believe in the Bible?"
Again, he said. "Yes."
So, now it was time for the big question:
"Do you believe in Jesus? That he was the Messiah (Christ) of God?"
Again he says, "Yes. I do."
Well, now! This was going to be easier than I had thought. He was
about to be baptized only he didn't know it, yet. (And I was just the
one to do it, too)
Then he said he would become a Christian, if my religion was better
than his. But I would have to bring proof. I told him, "Religion is
not about proof. It is about faith."
He said, "In Islam, we have both."
I said, "You mean you can prove God really exists?"
He said, "Yes. There is proof in Islam that God exists and that Islam
is the way to worship Him."
I was amazed. He seemed so confident and sure of what he was saying.
This was not what I was used to. Even preachers have said about many
things, "Just have faith." Or they say, "Don't ask. It is a mystery."
Yusuf Estes
I'm sure you have asked yourself the question; "Why did God create
me?" or "What is it that God wants me to do?" or "Exactly who is God,
anyway?" "Why do we believe in 'original sin?" and "Why would the sons
of Adam be forced to accept his 'sins' and then as a result be
punished forever. Right?"
"And then there is the concept of the 'Trinity.' If I would ask
preachers or ministers to give me some sort of an idea how 'one' could
figure out to become 'three'? Or how is it that God, Who can do
anything He Wills to do, both in and outside of the universe as we
know it, but He cannot just forgive people's sins unless there is
blood sacrifice even if He wants to?
So, He has to come down on earth and become a human, and only then is
He able to forgive by taking the sins of people by killing Himself on
a cross? And keeping in mind that all along He is still God of the
whole universe and does as He Wills to do?" All of these were
questions I grew up with and didn't really belief in some of the
answers.
At one point I recall asking him about the Quran and how many versions
of it there were in the last 1,400 years. He told me that there was
only ONE QURAN. And that it had never been changed. Yet he let me know
that the Quran had been memorized by hundreds of thousands of people,
in it's entirety and were scattered about the earth in many different
countries. Over the centuries since the Quran was revealed millions
have memorized it completely and have taught it to others who have
memorized it completely, from cover to cover, letter perfect without
mistakes. I came to know that the Muslims believed in the Bible.
Again, I was shocked. How could this be?
I learned Islam teaches: "Allah" is the Name of God in Arabic and it
is the same 'God' as the God of Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon and
Jesus, peace be upon them all.
Islam believes in Jesus as the "Christ" or "Messiah" and he is the
Word of God Incarnate, he is the "Logos" (Greek for 'word')
But that's not all, they believe in Jesus as:
A true messenger of God.
A prophet of God.
Miracle birth without human intervention.
He was the 'Christ' or Messiah as predicted in the Bible.
He is with God now
He will be coming back in the Last Days to lead the believers
against the 'Antichrist.'
- But he was not God, nor son of God. Rather, he was a mightily
messenger and prophet of God with miracles to prove the way of
salvation by sacrificing things of this life for a better life in the
Hereafter.
I found all of this to be very interesting.
One day the priest asked the Mohamed if he might accompany him to the
mosque to see what it was like there. A few more days went by and the
Catholic priest asked Mohamed if he might join him again for a trip to
the mosque which they did. When they arrived I said to him: "Pete? --
Did you become a 'Moslem?' He said that he had entered into Islam that
very day. THE PRIEST BECAME A MUSLIM!! I was really shocked now.
I began to discuss this with my wife and suddenly she told me she
wanted a divorce. I was confused and asked her, "Why?"
She said, "A Muslim can't be married to a Christian."
I replied, "I didn't say I want to be a Muslim - and besides, it is a
Muslim lady who does not marry a Christian man."
She said, "That is what I am talking about! I want to be a Muslim,
too!"
Shocked and confused, I went downstairs and woke up Mohamed and asked
him to come outside with me for a discussion. We walked and talked
that whole night through. He told me, "This is really about you and
God. You need to go down deep into your heart and ask Him."
I went out back behind my father's house and right there I put my head
down on the ground facing the direction do when they pray. Now then in
that position, with my body stretched out on the plywood and my head
on the ground, I asked: "O God. If you are there, guide me, guide me."
And then after a while I raised up my head and I noticed a change
inside of me. I was aware now more than ever before that it was time
that I really work at being an honest and upright man, doing what God
wants and not so much what I want.
I knew now what I had to do. Around 11:00 A.M. that morning, I stood
before two witnesses, one the ex-priest, formerly known as Father
Peter Jacob's, and the other Mohamed Abel Rehman and announced my
'shahadah' (open testimony to the Oneness of God and the prophethood
of Muhammad, peace be upon him).
A few minutes later, my wife followed along and gave the same
testimony. But for her there were 3 witnesses (me being the third).
My father was more reserved on the subject and waited a few more
months before he made his shahadah (public testimony). But he did
finally commit to Islam and began offering prayers right along with me
and the other Muslims in the local masjid (mosque).
Our whole house had become Muslim along with a Catholic priest. How?
Only from the Guidance of Allah.
For the entire story with all the details Click Here.
http://islam.thetruecall.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=85
arah
Apr 1, 2012, 10:44:46 AM4/1/12
to
Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem
Praise be to Allah. We bear witness that there is only one god who has
no partners beside Him, and we bear witness that Muhammad is His
servant and messenger.
Praise be to Allah who blessed us with the guidance of His prophets
and messengers. Praise be to Allah whose Mercy encompasses everything.
Praise be to Allah who knows our needs and answers our calls and
brings peace to our hearts.
Praise be to Allah who breathed into us of His Spirit and placed the
light of His guidance in our inmost being. Whomever Allah guides, no
one can misguide, and whomever Allah misguides, no one can guide. We
put our trust in Allah and seek His forgiveness, aid, and support.
A man once came to the Prophet (puh) and asked him about the
hereafter. The Prophet asked him, “And what have you prepared for that
time?” The man replied, “Nothing, except that I love Allah and I love
you.” The Prophet (puh) answered him, “You are with the ones you
love.”
Dear brothers and sisters, the guidance of Islam is the guidance of
love. The innate, natural and ancient religion that is Islam is the
religion of love. The Prophet (puh) came to guide us to love and to
make clear the love that is at the core of all religion. Our purpose
as human beings is to consciously manifest Allah’s love in our lives.
This is the most significant meaning of Khilafa and Ibada that can
bring purpose to us and transform our lives. When we reflect upon the
history of the Prophet (puh) and the spread of his message we will
realize that Islam could not have taken root in the world without the
love that filled the heart of the Prophet and was clearly manifest in
his way of relating and interacting with people that brought out their
own deep and profound love for him. Without this mutual and abiding
love, none of us would be here today. Without this love Islam would
not have been possible.
Today, it seems that we too often hear and read much that is harsh and
heartless about Islam and not enough that is loving and beautiful.
There seems to be too many messages of prejudice, literalism,
legalism, violence, and oppression. The superficiality, ugliness and
darkness that is too prevalent in today’s Islamic discourse is nothing
like what the Prophet brought us.
I would like to share with you part of the first sermon ever given by
the Prophet (puh) in Medina. This is what he had to say to his
companions,
Verily, the best discourse is the Book of Allah. One is truly
successful whose heart Allah has adorned with the love of His Book,
and whom, after living in denial, Allah has caused to enter into
submission to Him, and caused him to prefer His Book above any human
discourse. The Book of Allah is the most beautiful and eloquent of
discourses.
Love that which Allah loves! Love Allah with all your hearts! Grow not
weary of hearing the Word of Allah. Do not stop remembering Him. Do
not let your hearts grow hard toward Him. For verily, Allah has
preferred His Book above all of Creation. Indeed, Allah has endowed it
with guidance to the best of deeds, and made it an example for the
elect of His servants, and filled it with righteous discourse, and has
made clear in it what is lawful and unlawful for you.
So, serve Allah alone, and associate with Him no other. Be ever
conscious of Him. Be truthful to Allah in what you utter from your
mouths. Let the Spirit of Allah be the source of love between you.
Can you hear the love in his words? Can you hear his urgent call to
our hearts? Can you sense the profound purpose in his teaching?
Love is so central to Islam that without it there can be no real
faith. The Quran tells us clearly what following the Prophet is about,
3:31 Say, if you love Allah, then follow me and Allah will love you
greatly and forgive your sins for Allah is forgiving and merciful.
And even more decisively it says to the people of faith that,
5:54 O you who have faith whoever among you turns back from his
religion Allah will surely bring forth a people He loves and who love
Him who are humble before the faithful and exalted before the deniers.
They strive in the way of Allah and fear no blame from any blamers.
This is the favor of Allah, He bestows it on whomever He wills. For
Allah is all-encompassing, all-knowing!
In these two tremendous verses we can understand some remarkable
things. We can understand that faith and faithfulness are defined as
love between God and the people of faith. A Mu’min is one who is
deeply and profoundly in love with God. It is this love that motivates
us to strive, to seek, to turn back to Allah, to give up our worldly
attachments and return to our Rabb. It is this love that gives us the
power and strength to face the various trials of our faith throughout
our lives. It is this love that teaches us humility, compassion,
trust, obedience and honesty. It is this love that enables us to
sacrifice, to give of ourselves and of our possessions for the sake of
God. It is this love that opens us to submission, to Islam. We can
also understand that this relationship of love is a special, precious
gift bestowed by God upon us. Without His will and generosity we would
be heedless of His love in our hearts. We can also understand that the
abandoning of religion in the context of this Ayah is to turn away
from love because the consequence of this abandonment is that God
promises to replace us with people who have this relationship of love
with Him. And we can understand that the way to God’s love is to
follow the Prophet (puh), to be in his footsteps, to strive to be like
him and in this striving our love is made greater and greater by God.
In a Sacred Tradition Allah says,
I was a hidden treasure and I loved to be known so I created heaven
and earth that I may be known.
One of Allah’s names, one of His attributes, is Al Wajid. This word
has several meanings among them is to bring into existence. It also
has the meaning of intense, existential love. Reflecting upon this
divine name, we can see that there is a relationship between love and
creation. And reflecting upon the sacred tradition we can see that
God’s love to be known is the primary reason for creation. In this way
we can come to a truly profound insight; Allah’s love is the very
cause of existence. We are alive today because of His love, the whole
Universe is here because of His love.
The relationship of love between us and Allah, between us and others,
and between us and all of creation is essential to reaching our full
potential as human beings. When we nourish our hearts with love, when
we manifest Allah’s love in our lives; with our families, with our
friends, in our work, in our prayers, in everything that we do, the
entire meaning of life changes for us and our own experience of our
humanness is transformed; we become adorned with the beautiful
characteristics of the Prophet.
This is the meaning of following in the footsteps of the Prophet
(puh); we follow him by adorning ourselves with the qualities of his
noble character. We follow him by striving to become like him in our
humanness, in our quality of relationships, in our conduct in society,
in our service to humanity.
The noble character of the Prophet (puh) has been best explained by
his cousin, Jaffar Ibn Abu Talib, when he was asked by the King of
Abbysinia to explain his religion. Jaffar replied:
We were a people lost in ignorance. We worshipped idols, we back-
stabbed one another in gossip, we committed sins without shame, we
severed the bonds of mercy among us, and we were unkind neighbors. The
strong among us devoured the weak. Thus we were until Allah sent to us
a messenger from among ourselves, well-known to us in his nobility,
honesty, trustworthiness, and tenderness. He called us to unity and to
devoting our worship to Allah alone and to removing the idols from our
hearts. He commanded us to be truthful when we spoke, and to fulfill
our trust, and to preserve the bonds of mercy among us, and to be kind
neighbors, and to desist from violating what is sacred. He called us
to turn back from our sins, and from falsehood, and from devouring the
wealth of orphans, and from defaming honorable women. So we believed
in him and in his message and we followed what he received from his
Lord.
Brothers and sisters, the Sunnah of the Prophet is about the kind of
character that manifests God’s love in existence. His Sunnah is that
which ennobles us, that which transforms us into better human beings.
It’s about becoming kind and tender human beings who are deeply and
profoundly in love with God.
The Prophet’s love, awe, and longing for Allah comes through with
overwhelming clarity when we reflect upon his prayers. Here is just
one example:
O my God, make me love You, make me love those who love You, make me
love all things that bring me closer to loving You. O my God, make me
love You, and Your angels, and Your prophets, and all of Your
creation. O my God, make my love for You dearer to me than myself, and
my family, and my wealth, and my children, and from cool, pure water
to the thirsty.
May Allah bless us with His love, and the love of those who love Him.
May Allah fill our hearts with love. Allah bless Prophet Muhammad, his
family, and companions. Peace be with you and Allah’s mercy.
Continue reading
http://sufism.org/articles/love-in-islam-2
On Mar 12, 10:50 pm, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeicklebo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On 3/12/2012 8:52 AM, arah wrote:
>
> > How Yusuf Estes& His Family Came to Islam?
>
> Oh, the answer to this question is easy.
>
> Stupidity.
>
> [snippeth]
>
> Ike
>
> --http://thetriunist.weebly.com/index.htmlhttp://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/The-Triune-Hypothesis/102657...
Behold Have
Apr 4, 2012, 7:22:38 AM4/4/12
to
On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:08:28 -0400
<jlgvia$4ln$1...@dont-email.me>
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." wrote:
> The REAL God isn't selfish, and shares His
> throne freely with those who love Him...
You're trying to confuse Deity with authority:
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of
Israel, and his
redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first,
and I am the last; and beside me there is no
God.
Isa 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid:
have not I told thee from that time, and have
declared it? ye are even my
witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea,
there is no God; I know not any.
Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none
else, there is no God beside me: I girded
thee, though thou hast not known me:
Isa 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea,
let them take
counsel together: who hath declared this from
ancient time? who hath told it from that
time? have not I the LORD? and there is no
God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour;
there is none beside me.
Hos 13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the
land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but
me: for there is no saviour beside me.
--
Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we
profess, for he who promised is faithful.
(Hebrews 10:23 NIV)
<jlgvia$4ln$1...@dont-email.me>
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." wrote:
> The REAL God isn't selfish, and shares His
> throne freely with those who love Him...
You're trying to confuse Deity with authority:
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of
Israel, and his
redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first,
and I am the last; and beside me there is no
God.
Isa 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid:
have not I told thee from that time, and have
declared it? ye are even my
witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea,
there is no God; I know not any.
Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none
else, there is no God beside me: I girded
thee, though thou hast not known me:
Isa 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea,
let them take
counsel together: who hath declared this from
ancient time? who hath told it from that
time? have not I the LORD? and there is no
God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour;
there is none beside me.
Hos 13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the
land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but
me: for there is no saviour beside me.
--
Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we
profess, for he who promised is faithful.
(Hebrews 10:23 NIV)
GSI
Apr 4, 2012, 9:38:34 AM4/4/12
to
In article <hIadnSVTCa6WsuHS...@giganews.com>, Behold Have
The "Look and Feel" "Religions".
Islam is a created religion, a made-up religion. A simulation of a
"religion" used for political power. A "religion" used for conquest and
control, just like the Roman Catholic "Religion", the Jewish
"Religion", or the Christian "Religion". A "religion" that trades the
allegiance of its followers to evil politicians in exchange for
government support for the political agendas of evil religious leaders.
Something with the "look and feel" of religion. A "performance" of
"religion" good enough to fool the majority. There's a Supreme being, a
Messiah, the "Holy Scripture", the usual "thou shalt nots", lots of
ceremony carried out in gold plated monumental buildings, jewel
encrusted garments and hats, bowing and scraping, singing, waving of
gold icons, smoke and mirrors. The hated "enemy" of the "Lord" and the
"Messiah" is named as the evil one, etc etc.
None of which will ever bring peace, health, happiness, enlightenment,
or wisdom to this world. The leaders of these religions are
professional propagandists who USE religious authority to control and
manipulate the masses.
Real spirituality is about Oneness, non-ego, enlightenment, known in
the Bible as "entering the Kingdom of Heaven". The REAL God is not a
person or "being" of any kind. The REAL God has no religion, no "chosen
people". A REAL Messiah is a TEACHER who has reached the highest goal
of this world - enlightenment, a goal that is available to ALL. A
Messiah is someone who knows, who has seen with his own eyes, that
everything is ONE, and that "the Kingdom of Heaven" / Oneness is here
on earth for all to enter. A REAL Messiah is a teacher of a practical
way we ALL can enter the Kingdom, and make this world a Garden of Eden
again.
Many religions today are corrupt institutions that hide the real truth
and enslave the masses. They teach egotism, fear, division,
exclusivity, and hatred. They no longer even know what religion is for.
They are the opposite of religion. They are Satan. There is NO REAL
religion any more.
The Koran, a handbook of arrogance, insensitivity, brutality, and
social division:
Slay the infidel wherever you find him.
Execute gay people
Murder apostates
Subjugate women
Wipe out the Jews
Does this sound like Oneness and the path to the Garden of Eden?
No it doesn't. It's arrogance and hate. It's mankind at his worst.
<behol...@lifeapostle.net> wrote:
> <jlgvia$4ln$1...@dont-email.me>
> "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." wrote:
>
> > The REAL God isn't selfish, and shares His
> > throne freely with those who love Him...
>
> You're trying to confuse Deity with authority:
All of you are confusing BULLSHIT with wisdom.
> <jlgvia$4ln$1...@dont-email.me>
> "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." wrote:
>
> > The REAL God isn't selfish, and shares His
> > throne freely with those who love Him...
>
> You're trying to confuse Deity with authority:
The "Look and Feel" "Religions".
Islam is a created religion, a made-up religion. A simulation of a
"religion" used for political power. A "religion" used for conquest and
control, just like the Roman Catholic "Religion", the Jewish
"Religion", or the Christian "Religion". A "religion" that trades the
allegiance of its followers to evil politicians in exchange for
government support for the political agendas of evil religious leaders.
Something with the "look and feel" of religion. A "performance" of
"religion" good enough to fool the majority. There's a Supreme being, a
Messiah, the "Holy Scripture", the usual "thou shalt nots", lots of
ceremony carried out in gold plated monumental buildings, jewel
encrusted garments and hats, bowing and scraping, singing, waving of
gold icons, smoke and mirrors. The hated "enemy" of the "Lord" and the
"Messiah" is named as the evil one, etc etc.
None of which will ever bring peace, health, happiness, enlightenment,
or wisdom to this world. The leaders of these religions are
professional propagandists who USE religious authority to control and
manipulate the masses.
Real spirituality is about Oneness, non-ego, enlightenment, known in
the Bible as "entering the Kingdom of Heaven". The REAL God is not a
person or "being" of any kind. The REAL God has no religion, no "chosen
people". A REAL Messiah is a TEACHER who has reached the highest goal
of this world - enlightenment, a goal that is available to ALL. A
Messiah is someone who knows, who has seen with his own eyes, that
everything is ONE, and that "the Kingdom of Heaven" / Oneness is here
on earth for all to enter. A REAL Messiah is a teacher of a practical
way we ALL can enter the Kingdom, and make this world a Garden of Eden
again.
Many religions today are corrupt institutions that hide the real truth
and enslave the masses. They teach egotism, fear, division,
exclusivity, and hatred. They no longer even know what religion is for.
They are the opposite of religion. They are Satan. There is NO REAL
religion any more.
The Koran, a handbook of arrogance, insensitivity, brutality, and
social division:
Slay the infidel wherever you find him.
Execute gay people
Murder apostates
Subjugate women
Wipe out the Jews
Does this sound like Oneness and the path to the Garden of Eden?
No it doesn't. It's arrogance and hate. It's mankind at his worst.
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Apr 5, 2012, 5:23:05 AM4/5/12
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On 4/4/2012 7:22 AM, Behold Have wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:08:28 -0400
> <jlgvia$4ln$1...@dont-email.me>
> "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." wrote:
>
>> The REAL God isn't selfish, and shares His
>> throne freely with those who love Him...
>
> You're trying to confuse Deity with authority:
...said the ignorant one.
> On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:08:28 -0400
> <jlgvia$4ln$1...@dont-email.me>
> "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." wrote:
>
>> The REAL God isn't selfish, and shares His
>> throne freely with those who love Him...
>
> You're trying to confuse Deity with authority:
Meanwhile, there are three phrases in the Word that, when said in
reference to God (with one notable double up), never appear alone, but
never appear all together...
King of kings
Lord of lords
God of gods
Unfortunately, the slow and dull-witted choke on the last statement, as
they can't deal with a mono-poly/poly-monotheistic God who is the many
that are One and the One who is many, with Jesus being the focal point
of it all, KING of the kings, LORD of the lords, and, yes, GOD of the gods.
[snippeth all of the misapplications of scripture based on the same
ignorant premise]
Ike
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arah
Apr 5, 2012, 8:03:38 AM4/5/12
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My dear H.E. Eickleberry, Jr
The Bible says that: God had finished the work by the seventh day; so
on the seventh day he rested, the seventh day is holy because on it
God rested from all the work, The Lord rested on the seventh day and
blessed it and made it holy, The Lord abstained from work and rested,
On the seventh day God rested from all his work, the Lord our God rest
upon us.
Sciences say that many creatures do not rest at all e.g., the heart,
the red cells, the white cells, the platelets, the Bacteria, the
Fungi, the Sun etc.
If you read the Quran to Rest the Lord's case in respect to the
question does the Lord Rest? The Quran utters: Rest assured, the Lord
does not Rest and He never ever Rest
Does the Lord rest? In the Bible
God had finished the work by the seventh day, so on the seventh day he
rested
Genesis 2:2
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on
the seventh day he rested from all his work.
The seventh day is holy because on it God rested from all the work
Genesis 2:3
And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he
rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
The Lord rested on the seventh day and blessed it and made it holy.
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and
all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the
LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
The Lord abstained from work and rested.
Exodus 31:17
It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six
days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day
he abstained from work and rested.'
the Lord our God rest upon us
Psalm 90:17
May the favor of the Lord our God rest upon us; establish the work of
our hands for us- yes, establish the work of our hands.
On the seventh day God rested from all his work
Hebrews 4:4
And yet his work has been finished since the creation of the world.
For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "And
on the seventh day God rested from all his work."
The Sciences and the Rest:
Expressions like tired, weak, or in need of rest and fatigue are among
general practice of human beings. Fatigue is partially due to the
accumulation of lactic acid in the muscles.
It is well known that balancing work and rest is the proper way to
combat fatigue.
Researchers noticed the effect of Rest periods on productivity.
Post-exercise fatigue is the way you feel after typical enthusiastic
exercises. Proper rest leads to improved performance of the muscles.
This is applicable for man and vertebrates but not for all the
creatures.
Also, this is not applicable for some components inside our bodies.
Example of Non-Resting creatures:
The heart does not rest at all.
The red cells, the white cells, the platelets do not rest at all.
Bacteria do not rest at all.
Fungi do not rest at all.
The Sun does not rest at all.
Now, the Question is:
How come that many creatures do not rest while the Almighty Creator
Rest?
It is the Quran which answered this question more than 1400 years ago.
Does the Lord rest? In the Quran:
Now let us go to the Quran to Rest the Lord's case in respect to the
question does the Lord Rest?
The Quran says: Rest assured, the Lord does not Rest and He never ever
Rest
Allah is not like us.
No one is similar to Allah.
Surah 42:11
SHAKIR: the originator of the heavens and the earth; he made mates for
you from among yourselves, and mates of the cattle too, multiplying
you thereby; nothing like a likeness of him; and he is the hearing,
the seeing
PICKTHAL: the creator of the heavens and the earth. he hath made for
you pairs of yourselves, and of the cattle also pairs, whereby he
multiplieth you. naught is as his likeness; and he is the hearer, the
seer.
YUSUFALI: (he is) the creator of the heavens and the earth: he has
made for you pairs from among yourselves, and pairs among cattle: by
this means does he multiply you: there is nothing whatever like unto
him, and he is the one that hears and sees (all things).
They dispute concerning Allah, and Allah is far beyond your thoughts
and imaginations.
If we get tired, Allah does not.
If we rest, Allah does not
If we get sick, Allah does not
If we die, Allah does not
Surah 13:13
SHAKIR: and the thunder declares his glory with his praise, and the
angels too for awe of him; and he sends the thunderbolts and smites
with them whom he pleases, yet they dispute concerning Allah, and he
is mighty in prowess
PICKTHAL: the thunder hymneth his praise and (so do) the angels for
awe of him. he launcheth the thunderbolts and smiteth with them whom
he will while they dispute (in doubt) concerning Allah, and he is
mighty in wrath.
YUSUFALI: nay, thunder repeateth his praises, and so do the angels,
with awe: he flingeth the loud-voiced thunder-bolts, and therewith he
striketh whomsoever he will..yet these (are the men) who (dare to)
dispute about Allah, with the strength of his power (supreme)!
Allah never ever rest.
Surah 50:38
SHAKIR: and certainly We Created the heavens and the earth and what is
between them in six periods and there touched us not any fatigue
PICKTHAL: and verily We Created the heavens and the earth, and all
that is between them, in six days, and naught of weariness touched
Us.
YUSUFALI: We Created the heavens and the earth and all between them in
six days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us.
Again, to Rest the Lord's case in respect to the question does the
Lord Rest? It should be emphasized that the Quran consider saying that
the Lord rest or rested as a big unforgiving offense in respect to the
Lord the Almighty Creator.
Anyone who believes that the Lord the Almighty Creator rest or rested
put himself in the category of unbeliever and he is responsible for
himself at the Day of Judgment when the Lord the Almighty Creator asks
him:" Did I Rest? Do I rest? How I rest?
Prepare your answer for that big day.
Why serve the god in the bible who get tired and rest?
On Apr 5, 5:23 pm, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeicklebo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On 4/4/2012 7:22 AM, Behold Have wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:08:28 -0400
> > <jlgvia$4l...@dont-email.me>
>
> > On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:08:28 -0400
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Apr 5, 2012, 10:55:16 AM4/5/12
to
On 4/5/2012 8:03 AM, arah wrote:
>
> My dear H.E. Eickleberry, Jr
>
> The Bible says that: God had finished the work by the seventh day; so
> on the seventh day he rested, the seventh day is holy because on it
> God rested from all the work, The Lord rested on the seventh day and
> blessed it and made it holy, The Lord abstained from work and rested,
> On the seventh day God rested from all his work, the Lord our God rest
> upon us.
The first Genesis account is an overview of the entire creation process,
>
> My dear H.E. Eickleberry, Jr
>
> The Bible says that: God had finished the work by the seventh day; so
> on the seventh day he rested, the seventh day is holy because on it
> God rested from all the work, The Lord rested on the seventh day and
> blessed it and made it holy, The Lord abstained from work and rested,
> On the seventh day God rested from all his work, the Lord our God rest
> upon us.
which is still ongoing, as John writes in Revelation....
Re 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power:
for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were
created.
hast created = present
are created = future
were created = past
[snippeth]
> If you read the Quran...
No thanks.
I'll go to God, not Satan, for information.
[snippeth]
> Does the Lord rest? In the Bible
>
> God had finished the work by the seventh day, so on the seventh day he
> rested
> Genesis 2:2
>
> By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on
> the seventh day he rested from all his work.
"And ON the seventh day God ENDED his work which He had made; and he
rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made."
1) God's work hasn't ended yet, so the Genesis isn't over.
2) God hasn't entered into His prophesied "rest" yet, nor have the
believers in Christ--ALONE--entered into that rest, which comes after
the end of all things, when God will END His work in the creation.
> The seventh day is holy because on it God rested from all the work
>
> Genesis 2:3
believers will enter.
And all of this is without even getting into the fact that 1) block
Hebrew had no verb tenses, and 2) the first Genesis creation account
gives both the macro- and micro-definition of "days," the
micro-definition not starting until the third "day" of the macro-definition.
> On Apr 5, 5:23 pm, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."<xeicklebo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On 4/4/2012 7:22 AM, Behold Have wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:08:28 -0400
>>> <jlgvia$4l...@dont-email.me>
>>> "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." wrote:
>>
>>>> The REAL God isn't selfish, and shares His
>>>> throne freely with those who love Him...
>>
>>> You're trying to confuse Deity with authority:
>>
>> ...said the ignorant one.
>>
>> Meanwhile, there are three phrases in the Word that, when said in
>> reference to God (with one notable double up), never appear alone, but
>> never appear all together...
>>
>> King of kings
>> Lord of lords
>> God of gods
>>
>> Unfortunately, the slow and dull-witted choke on the last statement, as
>> they can't deal with a mono-poly/poly-monotheistic God who is the many
>> that are One and the One who is many, with Jesus being the focal point
>> of it all, KING of the kings, LORD of the lords, and, yes, GOD of the gods.
>>
>> [snippeth all of the misapplications of scripture based on the same
>> ignorant premise]
Ike
arah
Apr 6, 2012, 9:53:22 AM4/6/12
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Birth Announcement
The Noble Qur'an Al-'Imran 3:42-63
42. And (remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily,
Allâh has chosen you, purified you (from polytheism and disbelief),
and chosen you above the women of the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinns) (of
her lifetime)."
43. O Mary! "Submit yourself with obedience to your Lord (Allâh, by
worshipping none but Him Alone) and prostrate yourself, and Irkâ'i
(bow down etc.) along with Ar-Râki'ûn (those who bow down etc.)."
44. This is a part of the news of the Ghaib (unseen, i.e. the news of
the past nations of which you have no knowledge) which We inspire you
with (O Muhammad SAW). You were not with them, when they cast lots
with their pens as to which of them should be charged with the care of
Maryam (Mary); nor were you with them when they disputed.
45. (Remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allâh
gives you the glad tidings of a Word ["Be!" - and he was! i.e. 'Iesa
(Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the
Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in
this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near
to Allâh."
46. "He will speak to the people in the cradle and in manhood, and he
will be one of the righteous."
47. She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has
touched me." He said: "So (it will be) for Allâh creates what He
wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: "Be!" and it
is.
48. And He (Allâh) will teach him ['Iesa (Jesus)] the Book and Al-
Hikmah (i.e. the Sunnah, the faultless speech of the Prophets, wisdom,
etc.), (and) the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel).
49. And will make him ['Iesa (Jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of
Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that
I design for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and
breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allâh's Leave; and I heal
him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by
Allâh's Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in
your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe.
50. And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Taurât
(Torah), and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you,
and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear Allâh and
obey me.
51. Truly! Allâh is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (Alone).
This is the Straight Path.
52. Then when 'Iesa (Jesus) came to know of their disbelief, he said:
"Who will be my helpers in Allâh's Cause?" Al-Hawâriûn (the disciples)
said: "We are the helpers of Allâh; we believe in Allâh, and bear
witness that we are Muslims (i.e. we submit to Allâh)."
53. Our Lord! We believe in what You have sent down, and we follow the
Messenger ['Iesa (Jesus)]; so write us down among those who bear
witness (to the truth i.e. Lâ ilâha ill-Allâh - none has the right to
be worshipped but Allâh).
54. And they (disbelievers) plotted [to kill 'Iesa (Jesus) <], and
Allâh planned too. And Allâh is the Best of the planners.
55. And (remember) when Allâh said: "O 'Iesa (Jesus)! I will take you
and raise you to Myself and clear you [of the forged statement that
'Iesa (Jesus) is Allâh's son] of those who disbelieve, and I will make
those who follow you (Monotheists, who worship none but Allâh)
superior to those who disbelieve [in the Oneness of Allâh, or
disbelieve in some of His Messengers, e.g. Muhammad SAW, 'Iesa
(Jesus), Mûsa (Moses), etc., or in His Holy Books, e.g. the Taurât
(Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), the Qur'ân] till the Day of
Resurrection[10]. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between
you in the matters in which you used to dispute."
56. "As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe
torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no
helpers."
57. And as for those who believe (in the Oneness of Allâh) and do
righteous good deeds, Allâh will pay them their reward in full. And
Allâh does not like the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers).
58. This is what We recite to you (O Muhammad SAW) of the Verses and
the Wise Reminder (i.e. the Qur'ân).
59. Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allâh is the likeness
of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and
he was.
60. (This is) the truth from your Lord, so be not of those who doubt.
61. Then whoever disputes with you concerning him ['Iesa (Jesus)]
after (all this) knowledge that has come to you, [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus)]
being a slave of Allâh, and having no share in Divinity) say: (O
Muhammad SAW) "Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and
your women, ourselves and yourselves - then we pray and invoke
(sincerely) the Curse of Allâh upon those who lie."
62. Verily! This is the true narrative [about the story of 'Iesa
(Jesus)], and, Lâ ilâha ill-Allâh (none has the right to be worshipped
but Allâh, the One and the Only True God, Who has neither a wife nor a
son). And indeed, Allâh is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.
63. And if they turn away (and do not accept these true proofs and
evidences), then surely, Allâh is All-Aware of those who do mischief.
Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 4.641, Narrated Sa'id bin Al Musaiyab
Abu Huraira said, "I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'There is none born
among the off-spring of Adam, but Satan touches it. A child therefore,
cries loudly at the time of birth because of the touch of Satan,
except Mary and her child." Then Abu Huraira recited: "And I seek
refuge with You for her and for her offspring from the outcast
Satan" (3.36)
He was one of many Prophets of Allah
The Noble Qur'an Al-Ma'idah 5:44-48
44. Verily, We did send down the Taurât (Torah) [to Mûsa (Moses)],
therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted
themselves to Allâh's Will, judged the Jews. And the rabbis and the
priests [too judged the Jews by the Taurât (Torah) after those
Prophets] for to them was entrusted the protection of Allâh's Book,
and they were witnesses thereto. Therefore fear not men but fear Me (O
Jews) and sell not My Verses for a miserable price. And whosoever does
not judge by what Allâh has revealed, such are the Kâfirûn (i.e.
disbelievers - of a lesser degree as they do not act on Allâh's
Laws).
45. And We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye,
nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for
equal." But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it
shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that
which Allâh has revealed, such are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong
doers - of a lesser degree).
46. And in their footsteps, We sent 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam
(Mary), confirming the Taurât (Torah) that had come before him, and We
gave him the Injeel (Gospel), in which was guidance and light and
confirmation of the Taurât (Torah) that had come before it, a guidance
and an admonition for Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).
47. Let the people of the Injeel (Gospel) judge by what Allâh has
revealed therein. And whosoever does not judge by what Allâh has
revealed (then) such (people) are the Fâsiqûn (the rebellious i.e.
disobedient (of a lesser degree) to Allâh.
48. And We have sent down to you (O Muhammad SAW) the Book (this
Qur'ân) in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it and
Mohayminan (trustworthy in highness and a witness) over it (old
Scriptures). So judge between them by what Allâh has revealed, and
follow not their vain desires, diverging away from the truth that has
come to you. To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a clear
way. If Allâh willed, He would have made you one nation, but that (He)
may test you in what He has given you; so strive as in a race in good
deeds. The return of you (all) is to Allâh; then He will inform you
about that in which you used to differ.
Every Prophet of Allah was given signs
'Isa was miraculously able to speak plainly and wisely while still in
the cradle.
Hadith - Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 4, No. 645, Narrated Abu Huraira, r.a.
Narrated Abû Huraira : The Prophet (saaws) said, "None spoke in the
cradle but three: (The first was) Jesus, (the second child was): There
was a man from Banî Israel called Juraij. While he was offering
prayer, his mother came and called him. He said (to himself), "Shall I
answer her or keep on praying?" (He went on praying and did not answer
her).
His mother said, "O Allah! Do not let him die till he sees the faces
of prostitutes." So while he was in his hermitage, a lady came and
sought to seduce him, but he refused. So she went to a shepherd and
presented herself to him to commit illegal sexual intercourse with
her, and then later she gave brith to a child and claimed that it
belonged to Juraij. The people, therefore, came to him and dismantled
his hermitage and expelled him out of it and abused him. Juraij
performed ablution and offered prayer, and then came to the child and
said: "O child! Who is your father?" The child replied, "The
shepherd" (afteer hearing this) the people said, "We shall rebuild
your hermitage of gold," but he said: "No, of nothing but mud."
(The third was the hero of the following story): A lady from Banî
Israel was nursing her child at her breast when a handsome rider
passed by her. She said, "O Allah! Make my child like him." on that
the child left her breast and, facing the rider said: "O Allah! Do not
make me like him." The child then started to suck her breast again.
[(Abû Huraira further said, "As if I were now looking at the Prophet
sucking his finger (in way of demonstration.")]. After a while they
(some people) passed by, with a lady slave and she (i.e. the child's
mother) said, "O Allah! Do not make my child like this (slave girl)!"
On that the child left her breast, and said, "O Allah! Make me like
her." When she asked why, the child replied, "The rider is one of the
tyrants while this slave girl is falsely accused of theft and illegal
sexual intercourse."
Not on a cross - Taken Up by Allah
The Noble Qur'an - 4:157-158
And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa
(Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh," - but they
killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa
(Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those
who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain)
knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed
him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)]: But Allâh raised
him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he
is in the heavens). And Allâh is Ever AllPowerful, AllWise.
Hadith - Bukhari 4.656, Narrated Ibn Abbas, r.a.
Allah's Apostle said, "You will be resurrected (and assembled) bare-
footed, naked and uncircumcised." The Prophet then recited the Divine
Verse: "As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it: A promise
We have undertaken. Truly we shall do it." (21.104)
He added, "The first to be dressed will be Abraham. Then some of my
companions will take to the right and to the left. I will say: 'My
companions!' It will be said, 'They had been renegades since you left
them.' I will then say what the Pious Slave Jesus, the son of Mary
said: 'And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them; when
You did take me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a
Witness to all things. If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and
if you forgive them, You, only You are the All-Mighty the All-Wise.'
" (5.117-118) Narrated Quaggas, "Those were the apostates who renegade
from Islam during the Caliphate of Abu Bakr who fought them".
Jesus will return
Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 4.657, Narrated Abu Huraira, r.a.
Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely
(Jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge
mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill the
pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non-
Muslims). Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it,
and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the
whole world and whatever is in it." Abu Huraira added "If you wish,
you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): 'And there is none Of
the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe in
him (i.e Jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his
death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness Against
them." (4.159) (See Fateh Al Bari, Page 302 Vol 7)
Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 4.658, Narrated Abu Huraira, r.a.
Allah's Apostle said "How will you be when the son of Mary (i.e.
Jesus) descends amongst you and he will judge people by the Law of the
Qur'an and not by the law of Gospel (Fateh-ul Bari page 304 and 305
Vol 7).
On Apr 4, 4:38 pm, GSI <G...@itchymail.com> wrote:
> In article <hIadnSVTCa6WsuHSnZ2dnUVZ_oydn...@giganews.com>, Behold Have
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> <beholdh...@lifeapostle.net> wrote:
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The Noble Qur'an Al-'Imran 3:42-63
42. And (remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily,
Allâh has chosen you, purified you (from polytheism and disbelief),
and chosen you above the women of the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinns) (of
her lifetime)."
43. O Mary! "Submit yourself with obedience to your Lord (Allâh, by
worshipping none but Him Alone) and prostrate yourself, and Irkâ'i
(bow down etc.) along with Ar-Râki'ûn (those who bow down etc.)."
44. This is a part of the news of the Ghaib (unseen, i.e. the news of
the past nations of which you have no knowledge) which We inspire you
with (O Muhammad SAW). You were not with them, when they cast lots
with their pens as to which of them should be charged with the care of
Maryam (Mary); nor were you with them when they disputed.
45. (Remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allâh
gives you the glad tidings of a Word ["Be!" - and he was! i.e. 'Iesa
(Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the
Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in
this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near
to Allâh."
46. "He will speak to the people in the cradle and in manhood, and he
will be one of the righteous."
47. She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has
touched me." He said: "So (it will be) for Allâh creates what He
wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: "Be!" and it
is.
48. And He (Allâh) will teach him ['Iesa (Jesus)] the Book and Al-
Hikmah (i.e. the Sunnah, the faultless speech of the Prophets, wisdom,
etc.), (and) the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel).
49. And will make him ['Iesa (Jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of
Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that
I design for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and
breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allâh's Leave; and I heal
him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by
Allâh's Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in
your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe.
50. And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Taurât
(Torah), and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you,
and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear Allâh and
obey me.
51. Truly! Allâh is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (Alone).
This is the Straight Path.
52. Then when 'Iesa (Jesus) came to know of their disbelief, he said:
"Who will be my helpers in Allâh's Cause?" Al-Hawâriûn (the disciples)
said: "We are the helpers of Allâh; we believe in Allâh, and bear
witness that we are Muslims (i.e. we submit to Allâh)."
53. Our Lord! We believe in what You have sent down, and we follow the
Messenger ['Iesa (Jesus)]; so write us down among those who bear
witness (to the truth i.e. Lâ ilâha ill-Allâh - none has the right to
be worshipped but Allâh).
54. And they (disbelievers) plotted [to kill 'Iesa (Jesus) <], and
Allâh planned too. And Allâh is the Best of the planners.
55. And (remember) when Allâh said: "O 'Iesa (Jesus)! I will take you
and raise you to Myself and clear you [of the forged statement that
'Iesa (Jesus) is Allâh's son] of those who disbelieve, and I will make
those who follow you (Monotheists, who worship none but Allâh)
superior to those who disbelieve [in the Oneness of Allâh, or
disbelieve in some of His Messengers, e.g. Muhammad SAW, 'Iesa
(Jesus), Mûsa (Moses), etc., or in His Holy Books, e.g. the Taurât
(Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), the Qur'ân] till the Day of
Resurrection[10]. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between
you in the matters in which you used to dispute."
56. "As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe
torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no
helpers."
57. And as for those who believe (in the Oneness of Allâh) and do
righteous good deeds, Allâh will pay them their reward in full. And
Allâh does not like the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers).
58. This is what We recite to you (O Muhammad SAW) of the Verses and
the Wise Reminder (i.e. the Qur'ân).
59. Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allâh is the likeness
of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and
he was.
60. (This is) the truth from your Lord, so be not of those who doubt.
61. Then whoever disputes with you concerning him ['Iesa (Jesus)]
after (all this) knowledge that has come to you, [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus)]
being a slave of Allâh, and having no share in Divinity) say: (O
Muhammad SAW) "Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and
your women, ourselves and yourselves - then we pray and invoke
(sincerely) the Curse of Allâh upon those who lie."
62. Verily! This is the true narrative [about the story of 'Iesa
(Jesus)], and, Lâ ilâha ill-Allâh (none has the right to be worshipped
but Allâh, the One and the Only True God, Who has neither a wife nor a
son). And indeed, Allâh is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.
63. And if they turn away (and do not accept these true proofs and
evidences), then surely, Allâh is All-Aware of those who do mischief.
Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 4.641, Narrated Sa'id bin Al Musaiyab
Abu Huraira said, "I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'There is none born
among the off-spring of Adam, but Satan touches it. A child therefore,
cries loudly at the time of birth because of the touch of Satan,
except Mary and her child." Then Abu Huraira recited: "And I seek
refuge with You for her and for her offspring from the outcast
Satan" (3.36)
He was one of many Prophets of Allah
The Noble Qur'an Al-Ma'idah 5:44-48
44. Verily, We did send down the Taurât (Torah) [to Mûsa (Moses)],
therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted
themselves to Allâh's Will, judged the Jews. And the rabbis and the
priests [too judged the Jews by the Taurât (Torah) after those
Prophets] for to them was entrusted the protection of Allâh's Book,
and they were witnesses thereto. Therefore fear not men but fear Me (O
Jews) and sell not My Verses for a miserable price. And whosoever does
not judge by what Allâh has revealed, such are the Kâfirûn (i.e.
disbelievers - of a lesser degree as they do not act on Allâh's
Laws).
45. And We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye,
nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for
equal." But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it
shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that
which Allâh has revealed, such are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong
doers - of a lesser degree).
46. And in their footsteps, We sent 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam
(Mary), confirming the Taurât (Torah) that had come before him, and We
gave him the Injeel (Gospel), in which was guidance and light and
confirmation of the Taurât (Torah) that had come before it, a guidance
and an admonition for Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).
47. Let the people of the Injeel (Gospel) judge by what Allâh has
revealed therein. And whosoever does not judge by what Allâh has
revealed (then) such (people) are the Fâsiqûn (the rebellious i.e.
disobedient (of a lesser degree) to Allâh.
48. And We have sent down to you (O Muhammad SAW) the Book (this
Qur'ân) in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it and
Mohayminan (trustworthy in highness and a witness) over it (old
Scriptures). So judge between them by what Allâh has revealed, and
follow not their vain desires, diverging away from the truth that has
come to you. To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a clear
way. If Allâh willed, He would have made you one nation, but that (He)
may test you in what He has given you; so strive as in a race in good
deeds. The return of you (all) is to Allâh; then He will inform you
about that in which you used to differ.
Every Prophet of Allah was given signs
'Isa was miraculously able to speak plainly and wisely while still in
the cradle.
Hadith - Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 4, No. 645, Narrated Abu Huraira, r.a.
Narrated Abû Huraira : The Prophet (saaws) said, "None spoke in the
cradle but three: (The first was) Jesus, (the second child was): There
was a man from Banî Israel called Juraij. While he was offering
prayer, his mother came and called him. He said (to himself), "Shall I
answer her or keep on praying?" (He went on praying and did not answer
her).
His mother said, "O Allah! Do not let him die till he sees the faces
of prostitutes." So while he was in his hermitage, a lady came and
sought to seduce him, but he refused. So she went to a shepherd and
presented herself to him to commit illegal sexual intercourse with
her, and then later she gave brith to a child and claimed that it
belonged to Juraij. The people, therefore, came to him and dismantled
his hermitage and expelled him out of it and abused him. Juraij
performed ablution and offered prayer, and then came to the child and
said: "O child! Who is your father?" The child replied, "The
shepherd" (afteer hearing this) the people said, "We shall rebuild
your hermitage of gold," but he said: "No, of nothing but mud."
(The third was the hero of the following story): A lady from Banî
Israel was nursing her child at her breast when a handsome rider
passed by her. She said, "O Allah! Make my child like him." on that
the child left her breast and, facing the rider said: "O Allah! Do not
make me like him." The child then started to suck her breast again.
[(Abû Huraira further said, "As if I were now looking at the Prophet
sucking his finger (in way of demonstration.")]. After a while they
(some people) passed by, with a lady slave and she (i.e. the child's
mother) said, "O Allah! Do not make my child like this (slave girl)!"
On that the child left her breast, and said, "O Allah! Make me like
her." When she asked why, the child replied, "The rider is one of the
tyrants while this slave girl is falsely accused of theft and illegal
sexual intercourse."
Not on a cross - Taken Up by Allah
The Noble Qur'an - 4:157-158
And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa
(Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh," - but they
killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa
(Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those
who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain)
knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed
him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)]: But Allâh raised
him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he
is in the heavens). And Allâh is Ever AllPowerful, AllWise.
Hadith - Bukhari 4.656, Narrated Ibn Abbas, r.a.
Allah's Apostle said, "You will be resurrected (and assembled) bare-
footed, naked and uncircumcised." The Prophet then recited the Divine
Verse: "As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it: A promise
We have undertaken. Truly we shall do it." (21.104)
He added, "The first to be dressed will be Abraham. Then some of my
companions will take to the right and to the left. I will say: 'My
companions!' It will be said, 'They had been renegades since you left
them.' I will then say what the Pious Slave Jesus, the son of Mary
said: 'And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them; when
You did take me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a
Witness to all things. If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and
if you forgive them, You, only You are the All-Mighty the All-Wise.'
" (5.117-118) Narrated Quaggas, "Those were the apostates who renegade
from Islam during the Caliphate of Abu Bakr who fought them".
Jesus will return
Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 4.657, Narrated Abu Huraira, r.a.
Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely
(Jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge
mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill the
pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non-
Muslims). Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it,
and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the
whole world and whatever is in it." Abu Huraira added "If you wish,
you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): 'And there is none Of
the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe in
him (i.e Jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his
death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness Against
them." (4.159) (See Fateh Al Bari, Page 302 Vol 7)
Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 4.658, Narrated Abu Huraira, r.a.
Allah's Apostle said "How will you be when the son of Mary (i.e.
Jesus) descends amongst you and he will judge people by the Law of the
Qur'an and not by the law of Gospel (Fateh-ul Bari page 304 and 305
Vol 7).
On Apr 4, 4:38 pm, GSI <G...@itchymail.com> wrote:
> In article <hIadnSVTCa6WsuHSnZ2dnUVZ_oydn...@giganews.com>, Behold Have
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> <beholdh...@lifeapostle.net> wrote:
> > <jlgvia$4l...@dont-email.me>
arah
Apr 6, 2012, 9:59:43 AM4/6/12
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As per Revelation, the "seventh day" hasn't come yet. ?????
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr, are you saying the bible contracdicted again?
Darby Bible Translation
but the seventh day is the sabbath of Jehovah thy God: thou shalt not
do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy bondman, nor
thy handmaid, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor
thy sojourner that is within thy gates; that thy bondman and thy
handmaid may rest as well as thou.
H.E. Eickleberry, JrOn Apr 5, 5:55 pm, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr, are you saying the bible contracdicted again?
Darby Bible Translation
but the seventh day is the sabbath of Jehovah thy God: thou shalt not
do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy bondman, nor
thy handmaid, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor
thy sojourner that is within thy gates; that thy bondman and thy
handmaid may rest as well as thou.
H.E. Eickleberry, JrOn Apr 5, 5:55 pm, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
>
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Apr 6, 2012, 10:42:53 AM4/6/12
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On 4/6/2012 9:53 AM, arah wrote:
> Birth Announcement
>
>
> The Noble Qur'an Al-'Imran 3:42-63
The Qur'an was inspired by Satan to 1) reverse the roles between the
> Birth Announcement
>
>
> The Noble Qur'an Al-'Imran 3:42-63
accepted and rejected sons of the Old Testament, and 2) to minimize
Jesus Christ as Lord, God, and King of all.
It was one of Satan's most clever works, and Esau's acceptance of such
jealousy was the reason God rejected him and your kind all along, even
BEFORE you actually committed such blasphemies.
[snippeth the irrelevant citations of lies that no Christian will hear
in the first place]
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Apr 6, 2012, 10:43:53 AM4/6/12
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On 4/6/2012 9:59 AM, arah wrote:
> As per Revelation, the "seventh day" hasn't come yet. ?????
>
> H.E. Eickleberry, Jr, are you saying the bible contracdicted again?
>
> Darby Bible Translation
LOL
> As per Revelation, the "seventh day" hasn't come yet. ?????
>
> H.E. Eickleberry, Jr, are you saying the bible contracdicted again?
>
> Darby Bible Translation
The Dispensationalist cult versions by Darby and Scofield are NOT "the
Bible."
<chuckle>
GSI
Apr 6, 2012, 11:40:04 AM4/6/12
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In article <op9pn7tgd7mnvq5uk...@4ax.com>, meh
<y...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 06:38:34 -0700, GSI <G...@itchymail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <hIadnSVTCa6WsuHS...@giganews.com>, Behold Have
> ><behol...@lifeapostle.net> wrote:
> >
> >> <jlgvia$4ln$1...@dont-email.me>
> >> "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." wrote:
> >>
> >> > The REAL God isn't selfish, and shares His
> >> > throne freely with those who love Him...
> >>
> >> You're trying to confuse Deity with authority:
> >
> >All of you are confusing BULLSHIT with wisdom.
> >
> >
> >The "Look and Feel" "Religions".
> >
> >Islam is a created religion, a made-up religion.
>
> FUCKING wow!! SO CLOSE, but obviously not QUITE THERE yet.
>
> ALL religions are 'made up' and false.
>
Only to the stupid and arrogant.
<y...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 06:38:34 -0700, GSI <G...@itchymail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <hIadnSVTCa6WsuHS...@giganews.com>, Behold Have
> ><behol...@lifeapostle.net> wrote:
> >
> >> <jlgvia$4ln$1...@dont-email.me>
> >> "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." wrote:
> >>
> >> > The REAL God isn't selfish, and shares His
> >> > throne freely with those who love Him...
> >>
> >> You're trying to confuse Deity with authority:
> >
> >All of you are confusing BULLSHIT with wisdom.
> >
> >
> >The "Look and Feel" "Religions".
> >
> >Islam is a created religion, a made-up religion.
>
>
> ALL religions are 'made up' and false.
>
Only to the stupid and arrogant.
arah
Apr 7, 2012, 12:11:35 PM4/7/12
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My dear H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Have you completed reading the bible? It seem that you missed some or
you don't understand the meaning of jealous God!!!!
Eventhough I am a muslim but I know the 10 Commandments which you
overlooked. He don't share his throne freely with others and He
clearly mentioned He is a jealous God
And God spoke all these words, saying: “I am the Lord your God, who
brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
1.You shall have no other gods before me.
2.You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of
anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or
that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them
nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting
the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth
generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to
those who love Me and keep My commandments.
3.You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the
Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
4.Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor
and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord
your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your
daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle,
nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord
made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and
rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and
hallowed it.
5.Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon
the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6.You shall not murder.
7.You shall not commit adultery.
8.You shall not steal.
9.You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10.You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your
neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox,
nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
On Apr 4, 11:08 am, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeicklebo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Have you completed reading the bible? It seem that you missed some or
you don't understand the meaning of jealous God!!!!
Eventhough I am a muslim but I know the 10 Commandments which you
overlooked. He don't share his throne freely with others and He
clearly mentioned He is a jealous God
And God spoke all these words, saying: “I am the Lord your God, who
brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
1.You shall have no other gods before me.
2.You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of
anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or
that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them
nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting
the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth
generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to
those who love Me and keep My commandments.
3.You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the
Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
4.Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor
and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord
your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your
daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle,
nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord
made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and
rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and
hallowed it.
5.Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon
the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6.You shall not murder.
7.You shall not commit adultery.
8.You shall not steal.
9.You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10.You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your
neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox,
nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
On Apr 4, 11:08 am, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeicklebo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
arah
Apr 7, 2012, 12:23:36 PM4/7/12
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My dear H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Let me help you to understand simple English.
Learning The Past Tense
Look at these verbs:
Present
(Today)
talk
walk
play
laugh
help
ask
answer
shout
finish
look
rest
finish
Past Tense:
(Yesterday)
talked
walked
played
laughed
helped
asked
answered
shouted
finished
looked
rested
finished
The Bible says that: God had finished the work by the seventh day; so
on the seventh day he rested, the seventh day is holy because on it
God rested from all the work, The Lord rested on the seventh day and
blessed it and made it holy, The Lord abstained from work and rested,
On the seventh day God rested from all his work, the Lord our God
rest
upon us.
Thus, the bible clearly contradicted, can we used a contradicted
document as an evidence to Court?
On Apr 5, 5:55 pm, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeicklebo...@gmail.com>
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Apr 8, 2012, 4:51:28 AM4/8/12
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On 4/7/2012 12:11 PM, arah wrote:
> My dear H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
>
> Have you completed reading the bible?
Bub, I've read the Bible from cover-to-cover more times than you can
> My dear H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
>
> Have you completed reading the bible?
shake a stick at.
That's how I know you are your ilk are lying frauds, and what manner of
lies you tell.
[snippeth the rest of the satanic misappropriation and corruption of
God's Word]
Ike
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Apr 8, 2012, 4:53:03 AM4/8/12
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On 4/7/2012 12:23 PM, arah wrote:
> My dear H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
>
> Let me help you to understand simple English.
>
>
> Learning The Past Tense
LOL
> My dear H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
>
> Let me help you to understand simple English.
>
>
> Learning The Past Tense
The Old Testament wasn't written in English, and there were no verb
tenses in block Hebrew, moron.
<chuckle>
arah
Apr 8, 2012, 9:21:57 AM4/8/12
to
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." wrote
"...Bub, I've read the Bible from cover-to-cover more times than you
can
shake a stick at. "
Are you reading the Aramic, Hebrew, Greek or English bible?
shake a stick at. "
Are these not what you wrote earlier?
"...hast created = present
are created = future
were created = past .."
Now we know who is the moron!!!
(Proverb 18-21) The tongue has the power of life and death, and those
who love it will eat it's fruit.
What does that say? It says that you will live or die by what you say.
Speak positive. Praise God and live. Speak negative and die.
On Apr 8, 11:53 am, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeicklebo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Apr 9, 2012, 4:34:44 AM4/9/12
to
On 4/8/2012 9:21 AM, arah wrote:
>
> "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." wrote
>
> "...Bub, I've read the Bible from cover-to-cover more times than you
> can
> shake a stick at. "
>
> Are you reading the Aramic, Hebrew, Greek or English bible?
There is no "Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek, or English Bible," moron.
>
> "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." wrote
>
> "...Bub, I've read the Bible from cover-to-cover more times than you
> can
> shake a stick at. "
>
> Are you reading the Aramic, Hebrew, Greek or English bible?
The Old Testament was written in block Hebrew with a couple of Aramaic
sections in Daniel.
The New Testament was written in Koine Greek, with the possible
exception of an early form of Matthew that was "written in the Jews
tongue" (whatever that means) that has been lost to antiquity.
The Syriac "Aramaic" Bible didn't even exist until the 9th Century AD.
English is a language that the Bible was TRANSLATED INTO.
> Are these not what you wrote earlier?
> "...hast created = present
> are created = future
> were created = past .."
>
> Now we know who is the moron!!!
συ εκτισας τα παντα = you created all things [that presently exist]
σου εισιν και εκτισθησαν = they are and were created
God created everything that now exists, God created everything that will
exist, and God created everything that existed in the past.
In other words, the creation is still ongoing, and the first Genesis
account ISN'T OVER YET; we're still in the sixth "day," with the
seventh, the Sabbath, yet to come.
[snip the pointless citation from Satan who winds up only accusing
himself using God's Word the way he does]
arah
Apr 9, 2012, 8:00:47 AM4/9/12
to
Clear proof of someone who read the bible cover to cover but don't
understand the meaning!!!
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr wrote:
>In other words, the creation is still ongoing, and the first Genesis
> account ISN'T OVER YET; we're still in the sixth "day," with the
> seventh, the Sabbath, yet to come.
15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the Sabbath of
rest, holy to the LORD: whoever does any work in the Sabbath day, he
shall surely be put to death.
A Story in the bible regarding those who break Almighty Creator laws
NUMBERS 15:32-36
32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found
a man that gathered sticks upon the Sabbath day.
33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and
Aaron, and to all the congregation.
34 And they put him under guard because it was not declared what
should be done with him.
35 And the LORD said to Moses, The man shall be surely put to death:
all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.
36 And all the congregation brought him outside the camp, and stoned
him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.
Note 1: Here we can see that the penalty for breaking the Sabbath
commandment in the time of Moses was physical death.
Story in the Quran regarding the Jews who disobey Almighty Creator
laws
2:65 The Sabbath
YUSUFALI: And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the
matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and
rejected."
So Muhammad tell us about Jews who broke the Sabbath and became apes.
What did they do?
In another place there's more info:
YUSUFALI: Ask them concerning the town standing close by the sea.
Behold! they transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath. For on the day
of their Sabbath their fish did come to them, openly holding up their
heads, but on the day they had no Sabbath, they came not: thus did We
make a trial of them, for they were given to transgression. (7:163)
The full explain on what happened we can hear from Tafsir Ibn Kathir :
They began using deceitful means to avoid honoring the Sabbath by
placing nets, ropes and artificial pools of water for the purpose of
fishing before the Sabbath. When the fish came in abundance on
Saturday as usual, they were caught in the ropes and nets for the rest
of Saturday. During the night, the Jews collected the fish after the
Sabbath ended.
On Apr 9, 11:34 am, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeicklebo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Apr 9, 2012, 8:43:21 AM4/9/12
to
On 4/9/2012 8:00 AM, arah wrote:
>
>
> Clear proof of someone who read the bible cover to cover but don't
> understand the meaning!!!
Moron, if you ever even came close to understanding the Bible, you would
>
>
> Clear proof of someone who read the bible cover to cover but don't
> understand the meaning!!!
know what a lie Islam is.
> H.E. Eickleberry, Jr wrote:
>
>> In other words, the creation is still ongoing, and the first Genesis
>> account ISN'T OVER YET; we're still in the sixth "day," with the
>> seventh, the Sabbath, yet to come.
>
> EXODUS 31:15
> 15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the Sabbath of
> rest, holy to the LORD: whoever does any work in the Sabbath day, he
> shall surely be put to death.
> A Story in the bible regarding those who break Almighty Creator laws
>
> NUMBERS 15:32-36
> 32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found
> a man that gathered sticks upon the Sabbath day.
> 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and
> Aaron, and to all the congregation.
> 34 And they put him under guard because it was not declared what
> should be done with him.
> 35 And the LORD said to Moses, The man shall be surely put to death:
> all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.
> 36 And all the congregation brought him outside the camp, and stoned
> him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.
law is only HALF of the "Holy" (read "whole") story.
> Note 1: Here we can see that the penalty for breaking the Sabbath
> commandment in the time of Moses was physical death.
covers the entire creation, from beginning to end?
> Story in the Quran regarding the Jews who disobey Almighty Creator
> laws
[snippeth]
arah
Apr 9, 2012, 10:43:36 AM4/9/12
to
OOOp we still in the sixth days according to H.E. Eickleberry, What a
joke!!!
The Bible declares many times that the Lord our God rest.
The Bible says that: God had finished the work by the seventh day; so
on the seventh day he rested, the seventh day is holy because on it
God rested from all the work, The Lord rested on the seventh day and
blessed it and made it holy, The Lord abstained from work and rested,
On the seventh day God rested from all his work, the Lord our God rest
upon us.
he abstained from work and rested.’
the Lord our God rest upon us
Psalm 90:17
May the favor of the Lord our God rest upon us; establish the work of
our hands for us— yes, establish the work of our hands.
Article Source: http://www.articlesbase.com/ – Bible Versus Quran
Versus Sciences, (40) Does the Lord Rest?
On Apr 9, 3:43 pm, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeicklebo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> --http://thetriunist.weebly.com/index.htmlhttp://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/The-Triune-Hypothesis/102657...
joke!!!
The Bible declares many times that the Lord our God rest.
The Bible says that: God had finished the work by the seventh day; so
on the seventh day he rested, the seventh day is holy because on it
God rested from all the work, The Lord rested on the seventh day and
blessed it and made it holy, The Lord abstained from work and rested,
On the seventh day God rested from all his work, the Lord our God rest
upon us.
Sciences say that many creatures do not rest at all e.g., the heart,
the red cells, the white cells, the platelets, the Bacteria, the
Fungi, the Sun etc.
If you read the Quran to Rest the Lord’s case in respect to the
question does the Lord Rest? The Quran utters: Rest assured, the Lord
does not Rest and He never ever Rest
the red cells, the white cells, the platelets, the Bacteria, the
Fungi, the Sun etc.
If you read the Quran to Rest the Lord’s case in respect to the
question does the Lord Rest? The Quran utters: Rest assured, the Lord
does not Rest and He never ever Rest
Does the Lord rest? In the Bible
God had finished the work by the seventh day, so on the seventh day he
rested
God had finished the work by the seventh day, so on the seventh day he
rested
Genesis 2:2
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on
the seventh day he rested from all his work.
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on
the seventh day he rested from all his work.
The seventh day is holy because on it God rested from all the work
Genesis 2:3
Genesis 2:3
And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he
rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
The Lord rested on the seventh day and blessed it and made it holy.
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and
all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the
LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
The Lord abstained from work and rested.
Exodus 31:17
It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six
days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day
rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
The Lord rested on the seventh day and blessed it and made it holy.
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and
all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the
LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
The Lord abstained from work and rested.
Exodus 31:17
It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six
he abstained from work and rested.’
the Lord our God rest upon us
Psalm 90:17
May the favor of the Lord our God rest upon us; establish the work of
Versus Sciences, (40) Does the Lord Rest?
On Apr 9, 3:43 pm, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeicklebo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Apr 10, 2012, 8:36:06 AM4/10/12
to
On 4/9/2012 10:43 AM, arah wrote:
> OOOp we still in the sixth days according to H.E. Eickleberry, What a
> joke!!!
The only joke here is you...
> OOOp we still in the sixth days according to H.E. Eickleberry, What a
> joke!!!
If God is still creating--and He is--then the first prophecy isn't over
yet, clueless one.
[snip the rest of the satanic idiocy]
arah
Apr 10, 2012, 10:47:59 AM4/10/12
to
Ooop, you don't believed what are clearly written in your own bible
and called them the satanic idiocy!!!!!
On Apr 10, 3:36 pm, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeicklebo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> --http://thetriunist.weebly.com/index.htmlhttp://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/The-Triune-Hypothesis/102657...
and called them the satanic idiocy!!!!!
wrote:
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Apr 10, 2012, 3:29:35 PM4/10/12
to
On 4/10/2012 10:47 AM, arah wrote:
> Ooop, you don't believed what are clearly written in your own bible
> and called them the satanic idiocy!!!!!
>
> God had finished the work by the seventh day, so on the seventh day
> he
> rested
Once again for the dull and slow witted: The original block Hebrew had
> Ooop, you don't believed what are clearly written in your own bible
> and called them the satanic idiocy!!!!!
>
> God had finished the work by the seventh day, so on the seventh day
> he
> rested
NO VERB TENSES.
Especially where prophecy is concerned, everything was stated in an "as
is" condition.
Moreover, as declared in Revelation, the creation process is continuing
and ongoing, and will be until God enters into His rest, which hasn't
happened yet, and won't until God "ends" the creation.
Re 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power:
for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were
created.
And conventional days & nights weren't even created until the THIRD
macro-day of the prophecy, which shoots your childish literalism all to
hell.
GSI
Apr 10, 2012, 7:26:45 PM4/10/12
to
In article <jlulhe$2qq$1...@dont-email.me>, H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
professional propagandists. You are doing exactly what they want you to
do.
Note: They may not even BE Muslim. Just here to create fear of
encroaching muslim insanity. Working for Israel. (They are posting from
the middle-east, (Aman, Jordan, and Riyad, Saudi Arabia) however).
<xeickl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/9/2012 8:00 AM, arah wrote:
> >
> >
> > Clear proof of someone who read the bible cover to cover but don't
> > understand the meaning!!!
>
> Moron, if you ever even came close to understanding the Bible, you would
> know what a lie Islam is.
You are wasting your time, Dinkyweeny. These guys (<bv> , <arah>) are
> On 4/9/2012 8:00 AM, arah wrote:
> >
> >
> > Clear proof of someone who read the bible cover to cover but don't
> > understand the meaning!!!
>
> Moron, if you ever even came close to understanding the Bible, you would
> know what a lie Islam is.
professional propagandists. You are doing exactly what they want you to
do.
Note: They may not even BE Muslim. Just here to create fear of
encroaching muslim insanity. Working for Israel. (They are posting from
the middle-east, (Aman, Jordan, and Riyad, Saudi Arabia) however).
arah
Apr 14, 2012, 3:28:23 PM4/14/12
to
For those who seach for Inner Peace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKAL0YSDHIs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
On Apr 10, 10:29 pm, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeicklebo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Apr 15, 2012, 5:47:13 AM4/15/12
to
On 4/14/2012 3:28 PM, arah wrote:
>
> For those who seach for Inner Peace
...leave behind the jealous rage of the lying Muslims and come on over
>
> For those who seach for Inner Peace
to Jesus Christ, King of kings, Lord of lords, and, yes, God of gods.
[snippeth]
nw...@live.com
Mar 12, 2012, 10:19:24 AM3/12/12
to
On Monday, March 12, 2012 8:52:26 AM UTC-4, arah wrote:
> How Yusuf Estes & His Family Came to Islam?
>
> Interviewer: "Can you tell us briefly, how did you, your father, wife,
> children and a Catholic priest all come to Islam?"
>
> Imam Estes: "I would love to. And thanks for giving us the chance to
> share our story of how we came into Islam."
>
> "To begin, let me mention a bit of my background. I was born in the
> Midwest to strong Christian parents. We moved to Texas in 1949 and by
> the time I was 12, I had joined the church and been baptized. Later as
> a teen, I began playing the accordion, piano and organ. I visited
> other churches and attended many sermons and played a lot of music.
>
> As I grew older my father and I worked together in many business
> projects and made millions of dollars, but could not find the peace of
> mind that can only come through knowing the truth and finding the real
> plan of salvation.
>
> Then one day in 1991, my dad began doing business with a man from
> Egypt (Mohamed Abdel Rahman) and told me that he wanted me to meet
> him. But I was shocked when my father mentioned that this man was a
> 'Moslem.'
>
> I said, "Dad, these guys are terrorists, hijackers, kidnappers and who
> knows what else?
> Dad assured me he was a very nice person and I had nothing to worry
> about. I agreed to meeting, but only on my terms. I had to be coming
> directly from church, on Sunday, with my Bible, cross and cap that
> said, "Jesus is Lord!" As soon as we were introduced, I asked Mohamed
> - "Do you believe in God?"
> He said,"Yes." (Good!)
> Then I said, "Do you believe in Adam and Eve?"
> He said, "Yes."
> I said, "What about Abraham? You believe in him and how he tried to
> sacrifice his son for God?"
> He said, "Yes."
> Then I asked, "What about Moses?" "Ten Commandments?" "Parting the Red
> Sea?"
> Again he said, "Yes."
> I asked, "What about the other prophets, David, Solomon and John the
> Baptist?"
> He said, "Yes."
> I asked. "Do you believe in the Bible?"
> Again, he said. "Yes."
> So, now it was time for the big question:
> "Do you believe in Jesus? That he was the Messiah (Christ) of God?"
> Again he says, "Yes. I do."
>
> Well, now! This was going to be easier than I had thought. He was
> about to be baptized only he didn't know it, yet. (And I was just the
> one to do it, too)
>
> Then he said he would become a Christian, if my religion was better
> than his. But I would have to bring proof. I told him, "Religion is
> not about proof. It is about faith."
>
> He said, "In Islam, we have both."
> I said, "You mean you can prove God really exists?"
> He said, "Yes. There is proof in Islam that God exists and that Islam
> is the way to worship Him."
> I was amazed. He seemed so confident and sure of what he was saying.
> This was not what I was used to. Even preachers have said about many
> things, "Just have faith." Or they say, "Don't ask. It is a mystery."
>
> Yusuf Estes
>
> I'm sure you have asked yourself the question; "Why did God create
> me?" or "What is it that God wants me to do?" or "Exactly who is God,
> anyway?" "Why do we believe in 'original sin?" and "Why would the sons
> of Adam be forced to accept his 'sins' and then as a result be
> punished forever. Right?"
>
> "And then there is the concept of the 'Trinity.' If I would ask
> preachers or ministers to give me some sort of an idea how 'one' could
> figure out to become 'three'? Or how is it that God, Who can do
> anything He Wills to do, both in and outside of the universe as we
> know it, but He cannot just forgive people's sins unless there is
> blood sacrifice even if He wants to?
>
> So, He has to come down on earth and become a human, and only then is
> He able to forgive by taking the sins of people by killing Himself on
> a cross? And keeping in mind that all along He is still God of the
> whole universe and does as He Wills to do?" All of these were
> questions I grew up with and didn't really belief in some of the
> answers.
>
> At one point I recall asking him about the Quran and how many versions
> of it there were in the last 1,400 years. He told me that there was
> only ONE QURAN. And that it had never been changed. Yet he let me know
> that the Quran had been memorized by hundreds of thousands of people,
> in it's entirety and were scattered about the earth in many different
> countries. Over the centuries since the Quran was revealed millions
> have memorized it completely and have taught it to others who have
> memorized it completely, from cover to cover, letter perfect without
> mistakes. I came to know that the Muslims believed in the Bible.
> Again, I was shocked. How could this be?
>
> I learned Islam teaches: "Allah" is the Name of God in Arabic and it
> is the same 'God' as the God of Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon and
> Jesus, peace be upon them all.
>
> Islam believes in Jesus as the "Christ" or "Messiah" and he is the
> Word of God Incarnate, he is the "Logos" (Greek for 'word')
>
> But that's not all, they believe in Jesus as:
>
> A true messenger of God.
>
> A prophet of God.
>
> Miracle birth without human intervention.
>
> He was the 'Christ' or Messiah as predicted in the Bible.
>
> He is with God now
>
> He will be coming back in the Last Days to lead the believers
> against the 'Antichrist.'
>
> - But he was not God, nor son of God. Rather, he was a mightily
> messenger and prophet of God with miracles to prove the way of
> salvation by sacrificing things of this life for a better life in the
> Hereafter.
>
> I found all of this to be very interesting.
>
> One day the priest asked the Mohamed if he might accompany him to the
> mosque to see what it was like there. A few more days went by and the
> Catholic priest asked Mohamed if he might join him again for a trip to
> the mosque which they did. When they arrived I said to him: "Pete? --
> Did you become a 'Moslem?' He said that he had entered into Islam that
> very day. THE PRIEST BECAME A MUSLIM!! I was really shocked now.
>
> I began to discuss this with my wife and suddenly she told me she
> wanted a divorce. I was confused and asked her, "Why?"
>
> She said, "A Muslim can't be married to a Christian."
>
> I replied, "I didn't say I want to be a Muslim - and besides, it is a
> Muslim lady who does not marry a Christian man."
>
> She said, "That is what I am talking about! I want to be a Muslim,
> too!"
>
> Shocked and confused, I went downstairs and woke up Mohamed and asked
> him to come outside with me for a discussion. We walked and talked
> that whole night through. He told me, "This is really about you and
> God. You need to go down deep into your heart and ask Him."
>
> I went out back behind my father's house and right there I put my head
> down on the ground facing the direction do when they pray. Now then in
> that position, with my body stretched out on the plywood and my head
> on the ground, I asked: "O God. If you are there, guide me, guide me."
>
> And then after a while I raised up my head and I noticed a change
> inside of me. I was aware now more than ever before that it was time
> that I really work at being an honest and upright man, doing what God
> wants and not so much what I want.
>
> I knew now what I had to do. Around 11:00 A.M. that morning, I stood
> before two witnesses, one the ex-priest, formerly known as Father
> Peter Jacob's, and the other Mohamed Abel Rehman and announced my
> 'shahadah' (open testimony to the Oneness of God and the prophethood
> of Muhammad, peace be upon him).
>
> A few minutes later, my wife followed along and gave the same
> testimony. But for her there were 3 witnesses (me being the third).
>
> My father was more reserved on the subject and waited a few more
> months before he made his shahadah (public testimony). But he did
> finally commit to Islam and began offering prayers right along with me
> and the other Muslims in the local masjid (mosque).
>
> Our whole house had become Muslim along with a Catholic priest. How?
> Only from the Guidance of Allah.
>
> For the entire story with all the details Click Here.
> http://islam.thetruecall.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=85
~~~
Nancy
I've put his out here before, looking for enlightment.
Islam,this is the religion that men run through the streets like a pack of wild dogs, yes?
> How Yusuf Estes & His Family Came to Islam?
>
> Interviewer: "Can you tell us briefly, how did you, your father, wife,
> children and a Catholic priest all come to Islam?"
>
> Imam Estes: "I would love to. And thanks for giving us the chance to
> share our story of how we came into Islam."
>
> "To begin, let me mention a bit of my background. I was born in the
> Midwest to strong Christian parents. We moved to Texas in 1949 and by
> the time I was 12, I had joined the church and been baptized. Later as
> a teen, I began playing the accordion, piano and organ. I visited
> other churches and attended many sermons and played a lot of music.
>
> As I grew older my father and I worked together in many business
> projects and made millions of dollars, but could not find the peace of
> mind that can only come through knowing the truth and finding the real
> plan of salvation.
>
> Then one day in 1991, my dad began doing business with a man from
> Egypt (Mohamed Abdel Rahman) and told me that he wanted me to meet
> him. But I was shocked when my father mentioned that this man was a
> 'Moslem.'
>
> I said, "Dad, these guys are terrorists, hijackers, kidnappers and who
> knows what else?
> Dad assured me he was a very nice person and I had nothing to worry
> about. I agreed to meeting, but only on my terms. I had to be coming
> directly from church, on Sunday, with my Bible, cross and cap that
> said, "Jesus is Lord!" As soon as we were introduced, I asked Mohamed
> - "Do you believe in God?"
> He said,"Yes." (Good!)
> Then I said, "Do you believe in Adam and Eve?"
> He said, "Yes."
> I said, "What about Abraham? You believe in him and how he tried to
> sacrifice his son for God?"
> He said, "Yes."
> Then I asked, "What about Moses?" "Ten Commandments?" "Parting the Red
> Sea?"
> Again he said, "Yes."
> I asked, "What about the other prophets, David, Solomon and John the
> Baptist?"
> He said, "Yes."
> I asked. "Do you believe in the Bible?"
> Again, he said. "Yes."
> So, now it was time for the big question:
> "Do you believe in Jesus? That he was the Messiah (Christ) of God?"
> Again he says, "Yes. I do."
>
> Well, now! This was going to be easier than I had thought. He was
> about to be baptized only he didn't know it, yet. (And I was just the
> one to do it, too)
>
> Then he said he would become a Christian, if my religion was better
> than his. But I would have to bring proof. I told him, "Religion is
> not about proof. It is about faith."
>
> He said, "In Islam, we have both."
> I said, "You mean you can prove God really exists?"
> He said, "Yes. There is proof in Islam that God exists and that Islam
> is the way to worship Him."
> I was amazed. He seemed so confident and sure of what he was saying.
> This was not what I was used to. Even preachers have said about many
> things, "Just have faith." Or they say, "Don't ask. It is a mystery."
>
> Yusuf Estes
>
> I'm sure you have asked yourself the question; "Why did God create
> me?" or "What is it that God wants me to do?" or "Exactly who is God,
> anyway?" "Why do we believe in 'original sin?" and "Why would the sons
> of Adam be forced to accept his 'sins' and then as a result be
> punished forever. Right?"
>
> "And then there is the concept of the 'Trinity.' If I would ask
> preachers or ministers to give me some sort of an idea how 'one' could
> figure out to become 'three'? Or how is it that God, Who can do
> anything He Wills to do, both in and outside of the universe as we
> know it, but He cannot just forgive people's sins unless there is
> blood sacrifice even if He wants to?
>
> So, He has to come down on earth and become a human, and only then is
> He able to forgive by taking the sins of people by killing Himself on
> a cross? And keeping in mind that all along He is still God of the
> whole universe and does as He Wills to do?" All of these were
> questions I grew up with and didn't really belief in some of the
> answers.
>
> At one point I recall asking him about the Quran and how many versions
> of it there were in the last 1,400 years. He told me that there was
> only ONE QURAN. And that it had never been changed. Yet he let me know
> that the Quran had been memorized by hundreds of thousands of people,
> in it's entirety and were scattered about the earth in many different
> countries. Over the centuries since the Quran was revealed millions
> have memorized it completely and have taught it to others who have
> memorized it completely, from cover to cover, letter perfect without
> mistakes. I came to know that the Muslims believed in the Bible.
> Again, I was shocked. How could this be?
>
> I learned Islam teaches: "Allah" is the Name of God in Arabic and it
> is the same 'God' as the God of Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon and
> Jesus, peace be upon them all.
>
> Islam believes in Jesus as the "Christ" or "Messiah" and he is the
> Word of God Incarnate, he is the "Logos" (Greek for 'word')
>
> But that's not all, they believe in Jesus as:
>
> A true messenger of God.
>
> A prophet of God.
>
> Miracle birth without human intervention.
>
> He was the 'Christ' or Messiah as predicted in the Bible.
>
> He is with God now
>
> He will be coming back in the Last Days to lead the believers
> against the 'Antichrist.'
>
> - But he was not God, nor son of God. Rather, he was a mightily
> messenger and prophet of God with miracles to prove the way of
> salvation by sacrificing things of this life for a better life in the
> Hereafter.
>
> I found all of this to be very interesting.
>
> One day the priest asked the Mohamed if he might accompany him to the
> mosque to see what it was like there. A few more days went by and the
> Catholic priest asked Mohamed if he might join him again for a trip to
> the mosque which they did. When they arrived I said to him: "Pete? --
> Did you become a 'Moslem?' He said that he had entered into Islam that
> very day. THE PRIEST BECAME A MUSLIM!! I was really shocked now.
>
> I began to discuss this with my wife and suddenly she told me she
> wanted a divorce. I was confused and asked her, "Why?"
>
> She said, "A Muslim can't be married to a Christian."
>
> I replied, "I didn't say I want to be a Muslim - and besides, it is a
> Muslim lady who does not marry a Christian man."
>
> She said, "That is what I am talking about! I want to be a Muslim,
> too!"
>
> Shocked and confused, I went downstairs and woke up Mohamed and asked
> him to come outside with me for a discussion. We walked and talked
> that whole night through. He told me, "This is really about you and
> God. You need to go down deep into your heart and ask Him."
>
> I went out back behind my father's house and right there I put my head
> down on the ground facing the direction do when they pray. Now then in
> that position, with my body stretched out on the plywood and my head
> on the ground, I asked: "O God. If you are there, guide me, guide me."
>
> And then after a while I raised up my head and I noticed a change
> inside of me. I was aware now more than ever before that it was time
> that I really work at being an honest and upright man, doing what God
> wants and not so much what I want.
>
> I knew now what I had to do. Around 11:00 A.M. that morning, I stood
> before two witnesses, one the ex-priest, formerly known as Father
> Peter Jacob's, and the other Mohamed Abel Rehman and announced my
> 'shahadah' (open testimony to the Oneness of God and the prophethood
> of Muhammad, peace be upon him).
>
> A few minutes later, my wife followed along and gave the same
> testimony. But for her there were 3 witnesses (me being the third).
>
> My father was more reserved on the subject and waited a few more
> months before he made his shahadah (public testimony). But he did
> finally commit to Islam and began offering prayers right along with me
> and the other Muslims in the local masjid (mosque).
>
> Our whole house had become Muslim along with a Catholic priest. How?
> Only from the Guidance of Allah.
>
> For the entire story with all the details Click Here.
> http://islam.thetruecall.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=85
~~~
Nancy
I've put his out here before, looking for enlightment.
Islam,this is the religion that men run through the streets like a pack of wild dogs, yes?
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Mar 12, 2012, 3:50:00 PM3/12/12
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On 3/12/2012 8:52 AM, arah wrote:
> How Yusuf Estes& His Family Came to Islam?
Oh, the answer to this question is easy.
Stupidity.
> How Yusuf Estes& His Family Came to Islam?
Oh, the answer to this question is easy.
Stupidity.
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
Apr 4, 2012, 4:08:28 AM4/4/12
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On 4/1/2012 10:44 AM, arah wrote:
>
> Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem
>
> Praise be to Allah. We bear witness that there is only one god who has
> no partners beside Him...
The REAL God isn't selfish, and shares His throne freely with those who
love Him...
Re 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne,
even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Meanwhile, Satan wants it all for Satan...
Isa 14:
11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols:
the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how
art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will
exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount
of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the
most High.
In other words, Allah = Satan.
>
> Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem
>
> Praise be to Allah. We bear witness that there is only one god who has
> no partners beside Him...
The REAL God isn't selfish, and shares His throne freely with those who
love Him...
even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Meanwhile, Satan wants it all for Satan...
Isa 14:
11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols:
the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how
art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will
exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount
of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the
most High.
In other words, Allah = Satan.
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