Re: Notice how ever[y] false teacher here...

[Sam Taylor]

"Sam Taylor" <cyg...@cncnet.com> wrote in message news:...
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> > "Sam Taylor" <cyg...@cncnet.com> wrote in message
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> > > "vince garcia" <vggar...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> > > > Anathema wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "vince garcia" wrote:
> > > > > > Anathema wrote:
> > > > > > > "vince garcia" wrote:
> > > > > > > > ...has two things in common:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1. Deny the deity of Christ.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I can accept Christ as theos.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Meaning waht? _A_ god? A "lord"? A "master"? But soimething
> > > > > > less than FULLY GOD co-eual in every way to the Father?
> > > > >
> > > > > Precisely as it is written John 1:1
> > > > >
> > > > > > > But not as ton Theon.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Based upon the above, do I deny the divinity of Christ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you tell me.
> > > > >
> > > > > The fact that I accept John 1:1 precisely as it is written should
be
> > > enough
> > > > > for you.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Is your christ a created being that is not fully God, and
> > > > > > not eternally pre-existent with the Father?
> > > > >
> > > > > He was there from before the heavens or the earth were made.
> > > > >
> > > > > So now I ask you: Do I deny the divinity of Christ?
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > These are the earmarks of deception: create a false Christ
to
> > > start
> > > > > > > > with, then add to that leavening the gospel by justification
> > > through
> > > > > > > > keeping commandments to make sure the ones embracing this
> > paradigm
> > > > > > > > are lost
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In the above, is it your intention to state that anyone not
> > > believing in
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > 'trinity' has created a false Christ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > yes, absolutely.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for clearly answering.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > As for justification:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2Ti 2:5 Also, if anyone competes in athletics, he isn't
crowned
> > > > > > > unless he has competed by the rules.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rom 2:13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God,
> > > > > > > but the doers of the law shall be justified:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jam 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only,
> > > > > > > deluding your own selves.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jam 2:24 Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not
> > > > > > > only by faith.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Meaning justified by keeping a law, just as I indicated the
> > > > > > heretics teach
> > > > >
> > > > > Then your argument is not with me, but rather with the Scripture
> > above.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Your faith is in vain because your Christ and way of
justification
> > > > > > are both damnable heresy
> > > > >
> > > > > You have not yet proven that I deny the divinity of Christ.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think you are trying to play word games like a JW. Either to YOU,
> > > > Jesus Christ is fully God, and co-equal with the Father and
eternally
> > > > pre-existent with the Father, or He is LESS than fully GOD and IS
NOT
> > > > eternally pre-existent with the Father.
> > > Vince,
> > If He was "Very G-D of Very G-D he would be
> > G-D's G-D
> > If He were G-D of G-D there would now be Two G-Ds
> > If He was Very G-D of G-D he would be again
> > G-D's G-D, and You again would Have One (1)
> > G-d, and His G-D (2) Two G-Ds
> > and then Add to it G-D's Ghost and You now
> > have Three (3) G-ds.
> > that is not Mono theistic but Poly theistic.
> > Sam
> > > Vince,
> > > What did You Say?
> > > If Jesus Christ is eternally prexistant with the Father,
> > > then he could not have died for Your Sins.
> > > He had to come into existance at Some Time
> > > within Time, as Time has progressed beyond
> > > the Prexistance.
> > > Now just what do You mean by Fully G-D?
> > > as I understand You believe in a Daddy, a Son
> > > of Daddy, and a Ghost of Daddy, and all Three of these
> > > a G-D.
> > > Now none of these can be Fully G-D, as Your G-D
> > > is all three of these.
> > > So Daddy the Daddy is G-d
> > > and the Son of Daddy is G-d
> > > and Daddy's Ghost is G-D
> > > So each can logicly be only 1/3rd G-D
> > >
> > > You and I agree G-D brought forth a Son,
> > > or I think We do.
> > > I believe it was before anything else existed
> > > G-D brought forth His Only begotten Son
> > > That would Make the Son "Devine", not
> > > neccesarily "Diety"
> > > to be with G-D that which proceeds must be
> > > With G-D and not G-D, but WITH G-D
> > > or Divinity (that which proceeds from G-D)
> > > G-D cannot proceed from G-D , BUT can be
> > > Similar to G-D, but if it is to Maintain a Seperate
> > > distinct, and Equal to G-D position CANNOT BE G-D.
> > > Sam
> > >
>
> Vince,
> This doesn't sound "Very" Mono Theistic, nor Even Pure
> Poly Theism, It sounds like to Me Plyo Theism
> In other words add enough Fine Sounding Illogical Words, and most Will
think
> Your smart.
> Sam
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Sam Taylor]

"Sam Taylor" <cyg...@cncnet.com> wrote in message

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If He were G-d of very G-D He would be G-D lite
or G-D junior, is that what You believe?
If He was "Very G-D" of G-D, he would Be G-D Heavy
or Senior G-D, or better thinking G-d's G-D
If he was "Very G-d of Very G-d he would be a twin
Is He G-d's Twin, or is He His Son?
with all this double speak it's very (there is the Very word again in proper
Usage) hard to understand just what you believe.
Sam