That remains to be seen.
>
>> >> By the way, there is no JW literature which says the end was
>> >> definitely going to come in 1914.
>> >
>> >YES THERE HAS BEEN.
>> >
>> >THESE ARE QUOTED IN THE LINK THAT I GAVE.
>>
>> I didn't see any. Try quoting them again. Maybe I missed something.
>> Remember we are talking about the end of the world.
>
>WHAT A LIAR YOU ARE.
>
>THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE ARTICLE SAYS:
>
>One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is
>that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the “start” of the conclusion of
>this system of things. Rather, 1914 was predicted to be the “end” of the
>system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon, and the start of the earthly paradise.
Please show me the JW literature that says that. I can probably
verify.
From what I understand, JW's knew that 1914 was a marked year for
changes. But I think overzealous JW's at that time thought it was the
“end” that would come. They had some stuff right, but not all of it. I
tried to find some quotes from 1800 Watchtowers. Notice:
"It is a historical fact worth noting that, on the basis of the points
and evidence above presented, the March 1880 edition of the Watch
Tower magazine identified the year 1914 as the time for the close of
“the appointed times of the nations” (and the end of the lease of
power granted the Gentile rulers). This was some 34 years before the
arrival of that year and the momentous events it initiated. In the
August 30, 1914, edition of The World, a leading New York newspaper at
that time, a feature article in the paper’s Sunday magazine section
commented on this as follows: “The terrific war outbreak in Europe has
fulfilled an extraordinary prophecy. For a quarter of a century past,
through preachers and through press, the ‘International Bible
Students’ . . . have been proclaiming to the world that the Day of
Wrath prophesied in the Bible would dawn in 1914.”" (Insight, Vol 1,
p.135) Also:
>
>DOES NOT SAY "THE END OF THE WORLD".
The literature said the end of the gentile times. MANY NON JW'S, AND
SOME JW'S, MISTOOK THAT STATEMENT TO MEAN THE END OF THE WORLD. That
is what many JW hate groups throw at me all the time.
>
>AND FURTHERMORE, YEAR 1914 WAS NEITHER THE START OF THE
>END OF THE SYSTEM OF THINGS, NOR THE END OF THE SYSTEM
>OF THINGS.
>
It was the beginning of the end times. Jesus has to rule among his
enemies for a while. That started in 1914.
>THE START OF THE END OF THE SYSTEM OF THINGS, OR THE START
>OF THE END TIMES, WAS WHEN JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED.
The Bible speaks of more than one 'end time'. The first one happened
back in the 1st century with the destruction of Jerusalem. The 2nd one
will be in our day. (assuming we haven't died by then)
>
>AND THE END OF THE SYSTEM OF THINGS, OR THE END OF THE END TIMES
>AND THE START OF THE MILLENNIUM OF ONLY THE RIGHTEOUS ON EARTH,
>SHALL BE ONCE JESUS AND THE RAPTURED RESURRECTED RIGHTEOUS
>ALIGHT FROM THE AIR ABOVE THE CLOUDS ABOVE MOUNT OLIVES IN THE
>EVENING ON THE DAY THAT GOD SIGNALS TO JESUS TO BEGIN HIS DESCENT BACK TO MOUNT OLIVES WHENCE HE LAST LEFT IT AND AS PROPHESIED TO OCCUR IN THE FUTURE BY THE TWO ANGELS IN ACTS CHAPTER 1 [ACTS 1:
>As you have seen him go, so you shall see him come.] AND THEY KILL ALL
>OF THE WICKED ON EARTH WHO HAVE NOT ALREADY BEEN KILLED BY
>SEVERAL OTHER MEANS.
What a tangled mess. It would probably take many pages to straighten
that whole thing out. For now, I will just stick with the so-called
“rapture.”
As you are probably alluding to, the 'rapture' is not a Bible
teaching. It is a teaching of men, misapplying the Bible scripture of
1 Th 4:17. Even the word "rapture" is not in the Bible, which would
certainly help its case.
This dictionary defines "rapture" as:
"Theology (in some millenarian teaching) the transporting of believers
to heaven at the second coming of Christ." (Webster's Dictionary)
First of all, the Bible tells us that humans (flesh and blood) cannot
get into Heaven. (1 Co 15:50) Thus any 'rapturing' going on would
likely be invisible to human eyes, since they would have to shed their
physical bodies in order to get into Heaven. And that is what they do
in vs 51,52.
But even if the 'rapture' was real, will ALL the righteous humans be
'raptured' away to Heaven? No not at all. God's word the Bible says
that there will also be righteous people living forever right here on
the earth, as the following scriptures reveal. Mt 5:5,
"Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth." (NIV)
God created this beautiful earth to have people on it. Thus not ALL
good people will leave the earth and go to Heaven. Isa 45:18,
"For this is what the LORD says-- he who created the heavens, he is
God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not
create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited--..." (NIV)
Ps 37:29,
"The upright will have the earth for their heritage, and will go on
living there for ever." (The Bible in Basic English)
>
>
>> >> If Jesus didn't know, how would
>> >> they? Mt 24:36,
>> >>
>> >> "But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of heaven,
>> >> nor the Son, but the Father alone." (NAB)
>> >>
>> >> Also quoting 1800's JW literature, you will find a lot of mistakes,
>> >> such as believing in a pyramid. But the true religion will do it that
>> >> way. Pr 4:18,
>> >>
>> >> "The path of the righteous is like the first gleam of dawn, shining
>> >> ever brighter till the full light of day." (NIV)
>> >>
>> >> We are almost at the “full light of day”.
>> >
>> >DULL MAN.
>> >
>> >THAT PASSAGE IS ABOUT INCREASING VIRTUE,
>> >NOT ABOUT INCREASING KNOWLEDGE.
>>
>> One increases their knowledge if they increase their virtue.
>
>IDIOT.
Did you know you are fulfilling Scripture here by your name calling?
(2 Tim 3:12; John 15:18-21)
>
>ANYONE CAN INCREASE THEIR KNOWLEDGE BY EITHER
>ENGAGING IN RESEARCH OR ELSE LEARNING THE ACCURATE
>RESULTS OF ALREADY PERFORMED RESEARCH.
>
>VIRTUE IS THE A P P L I C A T I O N OF ONE'S KNOWLEDGE,
>AND TO DO SO LEADS TO UNDERSTANDING AND WISDOM.
Negatrons. Wisdom is the application of knowledge. Virtue is from
people with high moral standings.
>
>THE MORE KNOWLEDGE YOU APPLY,
>THE MORE UNDERSTANDING AND
>WISDOM YOU WILL HAVE.
Yes, wisdom is using your knowledge to one's advantage.
>
>> And they
>> get that virtue from the Bible. (2 Ti 3:16)
>
>LIAR.
2 Tim 3:12.
>
>ONE DOES NOT "GET VIRTUE" FROM READING THE BIBLE.
We are in a semantics go-a- round. We most certainly can get virtue
from reading the Bible, and of course following what it says.
>
>ONE BECOMES VIRTUOUS BY APPLYING THE KNOWLEDGE
>GAINED FROM READING THE BIBLE.
>
>THAT IS WHY 2 TIMOTHY 3:16 SAYS M A Y
>BECOME PERFECT:
>
>2 TIMOTHY 3:16
>All scripture written by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit is
>profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and
>for instruction in righteousness, so that God's people MAY
>become perfect, thoroughly perfected for every good work.
>
>> You must see the true
>> religion fulfilling Pr 4:18 over the years, etc.
>
>[QUIT BEING LAZY: IF YOU CITE SCRIPTURE,
>QUOTE IT TOO. THAT IS THE ONLY THING
>APPROPRIATE FOR THIS FORUM. YOU
>CANNOT EXPECT READERS TO KNOW
>THE ENTIRE BIBLE BY HEART, NOR
>TO GET OUT A BIBLE AND LOOK
>UP YOUR NON-QUOTED CITE.]
I have already written what I have written.
>
>
>THE TRUE RELIGION?
>
>THERE IS NO TRUE RELIGION.
Yes there is. The Bible calls it the “one faith”. Not many faiths all
leading to God, but only ONE. Eph 4:5,
“ One Lord, one faith, one baptism,” (KJV)
>
>PROVERBS 4:18
>But the path of the righteous is like the shining light that
>shines more and more, unto the perfect day.
>
>A RIGHTEOUS PERSON -
>SOMEONE WHO IS APPLYING THEIR KNOWLEDGE -
>WILL GAIN MORE AND MORE UNDERSTANDING AND
>WISDOM AS THEIR DAYS GO BY AND ALL THE WAY
>UP UNTIL THE DAY OF THE RETURN OF JESUS.
Of course they will gain wisdom the longer they keep reading and
applying the Bible.
They also will get more accurate in their religion. Old Bible
doctrines will be replaced by newer more accurate ones. God prefers
accuracy to insufficient knowledge.
If a person is studying false religious doctrines (such as the 4th
century post-Biblical doctrine by men: the Trinity doctrine, any
application of that knowledge will not produce wisdom, but rather
chaos and Bible contradictions.
>
>
>> >> I will look at your link to see if they are lying. AND THEY ARE.
>> >> Nowhere does it say that the end of the world will come on 1914. They
>> >> are misinterpreting the JW's literature, and assuming that is what
>> >> they meant. BUT AS USUAL, they got it messed up.
>> >>
>> >> What did end then, was the foretold times of the gentiles.
>> >
>> >THE TIME OF THE GENTILES HAS NOT EVEN STARTED.
>> >IT STARTS TIME/TIMES/HALF - 3 1/2 YEARS - 42 MONTHS -
>> >1,260 DAYS PRECEDING THE RETURN OF JESUS TO MOUNT OLIVES
>> >WHENCE HE LAST LEFT IT, WHEN THE KING OF THE NORTH
>> >(EUROPEAN UNION) INFILTRATES AND TAKES OVER ISRAEL:
>> >
>> >REVELATION 11
>> >AND there was given to me a reed like unto a rod:
>> >and the angel stood, saying, Arise and anoint the
>> >temple of God, and the altar, and those who worship therein.
>> >But leave out the outer court of the temple, and do not anoint it;
>> >for it has been given to the Gentiles; and they shall tread the
>> >holy city under foot for forty and two months.
>> >
>> >THOSE JW'S SURE DO TURN OUT A BUNCH OF JUNK.
Millions of people don't think so. But you are welcome to your
opinion.
>>
>> I don't even know where to start to make the necessary corrections.
>> Just ask if you want to see the proof that 1914 was the end of the
>> gentiles domination.
>
>THE ONLY PROOF I NEED IS WHAT THE HOLY BIBLE SAYS.
>
>AS I ALREADY SHOWED, IT DIRECTLY AND PLAINLY SAYS
>THAT THE TIME OF THE GENTILES SHALL BE FOR
>42 MONTHS PRECEDING THE RETURN OF JESUS.
>
>YOU REALLY SHOULD BELIEVE THE HOLY BIBLE,
>RATHER THAN THOSE JW PARROTS.
Sticks and stones......
Generalized summary of how JW's get to 1914 as the end of the
Gentiles, and a significant year:
607 BC Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon conquered Jerusalem. (proof of that
date is below)
Cyrus conquers Babylon 539 BC
The Jews were to be held captive for 70 years, (Jer 25:12; Dan 9:2)
then released.
Thus 607-70 years= 537 BC the time of the release of the Jews from
Babylon to go and rebuild their temple.
To find the Bible's date of Jerusalem's destruction, take 537 (when
the Jews were released) and go back 70 years
to find the date Jerusalem was destroyed. Thus 537 + 70 years= 607
B.C.
The times of the Gentiles was to be 7 times from 607. Then their
ruling would end. But how long is a "time"?
Rev 12:6,14 says that 3 1/2 times equaled 1260 days. Or 7 times is
double that= 2520 days. (this is where the Bible counts a prophetic
year as 360 days)
But Jesus said the times of the Gentiles was still going on in his
day. (Luke 21:24) Thus it has to be longer than 2520 literal days. The
clue is at Num 14:34 & Eze 4:6, "a day for a year". So 2520 days
becomes 2520 years. Thus from the date 607 BC + 2520 yrs = 1914 AD.
Here is how that is determined:
607 BC to 1 BC= 606 yrs.
2520 -606= what is left; 1914 AD
The math works out perfectly.
1914 ended the times of the gentiles (Luke 21:24) and the start of
God's kingdom.
>
>> You also are apparently waiting for a physical return of Jesus to the
>> Mount of Olives.
>
>THAT IS WHAT WAS PROPHESIED BY THE TWO ANGELS QUOTED IN
>ACTS CHAPTER 1, AND THAT IS WHAT IS DEPICTED IN NUMEROUS
>HOLY BIBLE PASSAGES, SUCH AS ZECHARIAH 14: And his feet shall
>stand upon the mount of Olives, which is opposite Jerusalem on the east,
>and the mount of Olives shall split in two, half toward the east and
>the other half toward the west, and there shall be in it a great valley;
>and half of the mountain shall be left toward the north, and half of it
>toward the south. I WILL BELIEVE THE HOLY BIBLE, RATHER THAN
>EVIL JW PARROTS SUCH AS YOURSELF.
You are certainly helping to fulfill Scripture. 2 Tim 3:12,
“Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer
persecution.”
>
>> That won't happen,
>
>EVIL LIAR.
2 Tim 3:12
>
>> since Jesus no longer has a
>> physical body.
>
>EVIL LIAR:
>
>LUKE 24
>[Resurrected] Jesus said to them,
>Why do you tremble? and why do thoughts
>arise in your hearts? Look at my hands and
>my feet, that it is I; feel me and understand;
>for a spirit has no flesh and bones, as you see I have.
Jesus materialized a body at that time, just like angels in Noah's day
did, although they did not have God's approval, whereas Jesus did. If
Jesus went back to his resurrected spirit body, he would have been
invisible.
You forgot vs 14,
“She glanced over her shoulder and saw someone standing behind her. It
was Jesus, but she didn't recognize him!”
Why didn't she recognize him if he was raised with the same body he
died with? BECAUSE JESUS MATERIALIZED A DIFFERT BODY.
The Bible said he died as flesh and blood, but was raised a
“spirit”being.
1 Peter 3:18,
“
"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust,
in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in
the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;" (NASB)
If he was raised with the same body, that would have NULLIFIED THE
RANSOM SACRIFICE, for it was his perfect physical body that Jesus
sacrificed for us. He couldn't take it back. And that is why nobody at
first recognized him until he would speak, etc.
>
>> Jesus said the world will not literally see him ever
>> again, so he can't come back with a physical body, esp the one he gave
>> up for the ransom. (see John 14:19)
>
>LIAR:
2 Tim 3:12
>
>JOHN 14:19
>[Pre-crucified Jesus]
>And the world will not see me,
Yes, those on the earth will never see Jesus. Only those who go to
Heaven, like his apostles, will see him as he is, in a spirit body.
>BUT Y O U W I L L S E E M E .
Yes, his apostles were Heaven bound. They would also see God;
something that no human imperfect human had ever seen.
>
>AT ONE POINT, THERE WERE 500 GATHERED TOGETHER THAT
>SAW HIM AFTER HE WAS CRUCIFIED BY MAN AND THEN
>RESURRECTED BY GOD, IN ADDITION TO HIS 12 APOSTLES.
>
>> >> That meant
>> >> that Jesus was in Heaven and took over kingdom power.
>> >
>> >UNBIBLICAL MALARKY.
>>
>> Your opinion is noted.
>
>"TOOK OVER KINGDOM POWER"?
>
>WHICH KINGDOM?
Jesus kingdom comes from Heaven. He will rule the earth from Heaven.
As we saw earlier, those on the earth will never see him with their
literal eyes again. But they will see him with their spiritual eyes.
(Rev 1:7)
>
>HEAVEN?
>
>EARTH?
>
>NOT HEAVEN. HE IS SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD -
>HE IS GOD'S RIGHT HAND MAN. HE IS NOT GOD. AND GOD
>HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND SHALL ALWAYS BE THE TOP DOG:
There is just something wrong by comparing God to a dog, even though
God spelled backwords is “dog”
Congratulations, you found something we agree with: Jesus is not God.
>
>1 CORINTHIANS 15
>But when God said all things are put under Jesus,
>it is clear that God, who put all things under Jesus,
>is excepted. And when all things shall be subdued
>unto God, then shall the Son also himself be subject
>unto God who put all things under Jesus, so that
>God may be all in all.
>
>NOT ON EARTH. THE EARTH IS A SHAMBLES
>CURRENTLY RULED BY SATAN:
That's two in a row. That's a new record.
Jesus CAN'T come back to the earth in his physical body. Jesus plainly
said: John 14:19,
"A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will
see Me. Because I live, you will live also. “
“THE WORLD WILL SEE ME NO MORE”
That is because he was raised in a spirit body, which in its natural
state is invisible to the literal eyes of humans.
>
>
>
>> >> To fulfill
>> >> Scripture Jesus has to reign with his enemies still around. Ps
>> >> 110:1,2,
>> >>
>> >> "1 Psalm 110 Of David. A psalm. The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at my
>> >> right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." 2 The
>> >> LORD will extend your mighty scepter from Zion; you will rule in the
>> >> midst of your enemies." (NIV)
>> >
>> >RULE YES - WITH A ROD OF IRON: THAT MEANS K I L L THEM,
>> >IDIOT. AND THAT IS WHAT JESUS WILL DO THE DAY THAT HE
>> >RETURNS TO MOUNT OLIVES WHENCE HE LAST LEFT IT -
>> >HE WILL KILL ALL THOSE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN KILLED
>> >ALREADY BY SOME OTHER MEANS.
>>
>> See above at John 14:19 where the world will never again see Jesus.
>
>IDIOT.
>
>THE WORLD DID NOT NEED TO SEE JESUS YET.
>THAT IS WHY THE WORLD DID NOT SEE HIM.
>
>BUT THOSE WHO WERE HIS SAW HIM,
>PLUS A GATHERING OF AT LEAST 500.
Jesus had materialized a human body when the 500 saw him. It was AFTER
his resurrection to Heaven, that ALL those on the earth would not see
him again.
Satan is alive a well somewhere in the vicinity of the earth. His
'chains of darkness' are not literal, but are spiritual darkness. Why
do you think there is so much trouble on this earth? Because Satan is
its “god”. He and his demon friends cause all kinds of problems.
For a little diversion here, where did Moses and Abraham and Ezekiel
go right when they died?
>
>THERE ARE NO FALLEN DEMON ANGELS RUNNING AROUND
>CAUSING HUMAN BEINGS TROUBLE OR OVERSEEING
>ASTROLOGY AND TAROT CARDS, LIKE YOUR JW JUNK
>TELLS PEOPLE.
Wow, you don't even believe they are around. That makes you very
vulnerable. How can Satan be the god of this system, if he is not
literally influencing humans at this time?
>
>> The fallen angels were cohabiting
>
>COHABITING?
>
>HA HA HA ! ! !
>
>CONJUGATING - CONJUGATING - CONJUGATING.
>
>SEX - SEX - SEX.
>
>EVEN THE ANGELS WERE LED BY THEIR PENISES.
When in the days of Noah, they materialized human-looking bodies, and
had babies from the daughters of men, called the Nephilim, who grew up
to be bullies, greatly adding to the violence on the earth at that
time.
Alright, try these:
-- American Standard
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son,
who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
-- Living Bible
John 1:18 No one has ever actually seen God, but, of course, his only
Son has, for he is the companion of the Father and has told us all
about him.
-- Revised Standard
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom
of the Father, he has made him known.
-- International English
John 1:18 No one has ever seen deity, but Jesus, who is in the arms
of the Father, he unfolded the story.
-- Transliterated, Pronounceable
John 1:18 Theo'n oudei's heoo'rakenpoo'pote.{*} Monogenee's Theo's
{*} ho oo'n eis to'n ko'lpon tou'Patro's ekei'nos exeegee'sato.
-- Transliterated, Unaccented
John 1:18 Theon oudeis heorakenpopote.{*} Monogenes Theos {*} ho on
eis ton kolpon touPatros ekeinos exegesato.
-- New American Standard
John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who
is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained {Him.}
The Testimony of John
-- New Jerusalem with Apocrypha
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God;
it is the only Son, who is close to the Father's heart,
who has made him known.
-- New American with Apocrypha
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God. The only Son, God, who is at the
Father's side, has revealed him.
-- New Revised Standard with Apocrypha
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God. It is God the only Son, {Other
ancient authorities read [It is an only Son, God,] or [It is the only
Son]} who is close to the Father's heart, {Gk [bosom]} who has made
him known.
-- Young's Bible
John 1:18 God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on
the bosom of the Father - he did declare.
-- Darby's Bible
John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, who
is in the bosom of the Father, *he* hath declared him.
-- Weymouth's New Testament
John 1:18 No human eye has ever seen God: the only Son, who is in the
Father's bosom - He has made Him known.
-- Webster's Bible
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son,
who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].
-- New Living Translation
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God. But his only Son, who is himself
God,* is near to the Father's heart; he has told us about him.
The Testimony of John the Baptist
--New World Translations
John 1:18 No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who
is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.
If no earthly human ever seen God, who was Moses talking to?
>
>
>> I hope you don't take that “bosom” remark as literal.
>
>IT HERE MEANS BEING IN GOD'S HEART,
>BECAUSE ONE'S OWN HEART IS THE SAME.
>
>
>> It just means an
>> especially close relationship.
>
>NOT SO.
>
>SEE LAST TEXT.
Being in God's heart is not a close relationship?
>
>
>> (in another Scripture, the parable of
>> Lazarus and the rich man, the “bosom” of Abraham is not literal
>> either)
>
>JESUS DID MEAN IT LITERALLY.
>
>ABRAHAM IS STILL ALIVE - OR RATHER THAT SOUL
>THAT HAD BEEN INCARNATE IN THAT PHYSICAL BODY
>NAMED ABRAHAM. GOD IS NOT A GOD OF THE DEAD,
>BUT OF THE LIVING, AND GOD IS THE GOD OF
>ABRAHAM AND ISAAC AND JACOB, AND SO
>ABRAHAM AND ISAAC AND JACOB ARE STILL
>EXISTENT OR ALIVE.
>
>ALL THE WICKED ARE GATHERED WITH THE WICKED WHEN THEY DIE;
>ALL THE RIGHTEOUS ARE GATHERED WITH THE RIGHTEOUS WHEN THEY DIE.
>
>ALL NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCES AND STUDIES PROVE JESUS' STATEMENT
>HERE TOO.
Don't you recall that at one point, all Jesus talks were basically
parables? (illustrations) There is just too many things wrong with it
in order to be literal. Such as:
(a) when righteous people die, they end up in Abraham's bosom. (Verse
22)
(b) a drop of water would not evaporate in a blazing fire and would
bring a person in this blazing fire, relief. (Verse 24)
(c) Hades is within calling distance of Heaven. (Verse 24,25)
Also people are alive in Hades (hell). This contradicts other
scriptures such as Ec 9:5 and Ps 146:3,4 which says that the dead are
not conscience.
(d) just being rich puts you in a fiery hell when you die. His only
fault was he didn't share with the poor. (Verse 23)
(e) just being poor gets you into Heaven when you die. (Verse 22)
Also, what is Abraham doing in Heaven when Jesus said that no human up
to this time had EVER been to heaven? Jesus says at John 3:13,
"No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from
heaven--the Son of Man." (NIV)
No, there is no hellfire doctrine here. Jesus was telling a story (a
parable) to make a point.
>
>> By the way, where did Moses and Abraham and Ezekiel, etc, go right
>> when they died?
>
>WHEREVER GOD WANTED THEM TO GO TO.
And what places were that?
>
>> >> >What drugs are you on?
>> >>
>> >> Multiple prescription drugs.
>> >
>> >I BELIEVE IT.
>>
>> I am glad you believe something I wrote.
>
>WHAT YOU WROTE WAS PERSONAL.
>
>SHOULD I NOT BELIEVE IT?
Although I have a lot of faults and sin too much of the time, I am
proud to say, I don't have a problem with lying. I seem to have
complete control over that. So if I tell you something, you can take
it to the bank that it is what I firmly believe. (of course jokes not
withstanding) And have you ever looked up the definition of lying? It
is a malicious thing to try to deceive someone.
>
>> >> >God can do anything, manifest as anything, and
>> >> >it is His choice, not your's.
>> >>
>> >> No, according to the Bible God cannot do anything. For example, God
>> >> cannot lie. Titus 1:2,
>> >
>> >IDIOT.
>> >
>> >THE SUBJECT IS NOT ABOUT TALKING.
>>
>> It is about lying, something that God cannot do.
>
>A LIE IS DELIVERED BY VERBAL COMMUNICATION.
>
>THE MANIFESTATION OF A PHYSICAL BODY IS NOT VERBAL
>COMMUNICATION.
>
>WHEN I REPLIED THAT GOD CAN D O ANYTHING,
>I IN CONTEXT AND OBVIOUSLY MEANT SOMETHING PHYSICAL
>NOT SOMETHING VERBAL.
God can talk to a person literally, or in their dreams, etc. If he was
like Satan, he could lie.
>
>BUT GOD CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS A N D
>HE CAN SAY WHATEVER HE WANTS.
No argument here.
>
>YOU SURE ARE A STRANGE CAT SATISFIED TO WORSHIP A GOD
>WHO DOES NOT HAVE FREE WILL ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Since when?
>
>MY GOD IS THE BIBLICAL GOD -
>WHO IS:
>
>ALL-KNOWING
You are limiting God's abilities. God can choose NOT to know things,
if He wants. He did that with Sodom and Gomorrah. Ge 18:20,21,
"20 Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so
great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what
they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I
will know."" (NIV)
>ALL-POWERFUL
>EVERYWHERE-PRESENT.
Negatrons. God has location. And that location is Heaven.
>
>
>> >> "in the hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised long
>> >> ages ago," (NASB)
>> >
>> >
>> >POOR TRANSLATION.
>> >
>> >GOD HAS FREE WILL
>> >
>> >GOD IS NOT A ROBOT.
>> >
>> >GOD CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS.
>>
>> Then that makes Titus 1:2 a lie!
>
>I AM NOT GOING TO LOOK THIS UP.
>
>I AM TIRED OF YOUR LAZINESS.
>
>YOU ARE LAZY, BUT THEN EXPECT
>OTHERS TO NOT BE SO.
>
>SEE WHAT A HYPOCRITE YOU
>ARE IN THIS REGARD ALSO?
>WARNING: ALL HYPOCRITES
>SHALL BE THROWN INTO
>THE LAKE OF FIRE
>BURNING WITH
>BRIMSTONE.
That fire is not literal. Notice what is tossed into it.
>
>> You can't have your cake and eat it too.
>
>TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE.
>
>> >> God can only do righteous things, not unrighteous things. As silly as
>> >> it sounds, that means we can do things that God cannot. That is just a
>> >> fact of His perfect personality.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >> Jesus said that NO ONE (on earth) has ever seen Almighty God. (except
>> >> >> for Jesus)
>> >> >
>> >> >Quote him.
>> >>
>> >> Sure. Joh 6:46,
>> >>
>> >> "No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he
>> >> has seen the Father." (NIV)
>> >
>> >JOHN 6
>> >No man can see the Father,
>> >except he who is from God,
>> >he can see the Father.
>>
>> Your translation is not agreeable with many other translations:
>
>THANK GOODNESS.
>
>DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT TRUTH IS RARE?
Not with me. I do not lie.
>
>THE WORLD - THE WORLDLY - WHICH IS MOST SOULS/PEOPLE -
>PREFER LIES AND VAIN IMAGININGS TO THE TRUTH.
>
>GET A CLUE, JW PARROT.
Always
Tell the truth, member of Christendom.
Yes, that is one of the traps of Satan.
>
>> >I AM FROM GOD, AND
>> >I CAN SEE THE FATHER.
>>
>> You wouldn't be alive if you literally saw God. The Creator of those
>> trillions of suns out there is too much for our physical bodies to
>> handle.
>
>IDIOT.
>
>1. I AM NOT MY PHYSICAL BODY;
>2. GOD CAN AND HAS MANIFESTED HIMSELF TO NUMEROUS PEOPLE -
>THE HOLY BIBLE SAYS SO.
They might read like God, but they were angels representing God. We
know for sure, that was who Moses was conversing with. The literal
statement to believe is when Jesus said no person has ever seen God.
I for one, believe everything Jesus says.
>
>> But you can 'see' God with your spiritual eyes.
>
>YOU CAN SEE GOD WITH SPIRITUAL EYES,
>AND IF GOD SO WISHES YOU CAN SEE
>HIM WITH YOUR PHYSICAL EYES TOO.
>GOD CAN MANIFEST AS ANYTHING HE
>WISHES TO MANIFEST AS.
You don't want to call God a liar do you? Ex 33:20,
"But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and
live."" (NIV)
I posted this statement and showed the Scriptures which gives us that
conclusion. Do you wish to see the full posting?
But don't forget Jesus' words at Joh 14:19,
"Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me.
Because I live, you also will live." (NIV)
>
>
>> I must then assume
>> this is your opinion again.
>
>YOU MUST NOT ANYTHING.
>
>GOD GAVE YOU FREE WILL.
>
>AND I DON'T HAVE A SINGLE OPINION.
>
>EVERYTHING THAT I SAY HERE IS BASED
>ON WHAT THE ENTIRE HOLY BIBLE SAYS,
>ALLOWING THE ENTIRE HOLY BIBLE TO
>INTERPRET ITSELF.
Sorry, but how can you get it so wrong? We should look at the context,
the Hebrew and Greek and Aramaic words, and other Scriptures that talk
on the same subject, we have to determine is something is literal or
not, like the symbolic lake of fire. Like most of Christendom, do you
believe our God is a sadist, and burns living beings alive? We would
expect that of Hitler, but not a God of love. (1 John 4:8) The thought
of burning people alive never even entered His mind. Jer 7:31,
"They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben
Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire--something I did
not command, nor did it enter my mind." (NIV)
>
>> >> >> >I GAVE YOU THIS CORRECT INSTRUCTION BEFORE, AND YOU
>> >> >> >HAVE STUBBORNLY AND SINFULLY REFUSED TO FOLLOW IT
>> >> >> >AND SO STILL KEEP POSTING JUNK.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I wouldn't call the Bible “junk”,
>> >> >
>> >> >I wouldn't either.
>> >> >
>> >> >You are an evil liar suggesting that I did.
>> >>
>> >> Sorry if I offended you, that was not my purpose. But what am I
>> >> supposed to think? I post things from the Bible.
>> >
>> >YOU HAVE NOT POSTED ANYTHING FROM THE BIBLE.
>>
>> How do they say it again? Liar, liar, pants on fire. You must have
>> completely different Bibles than I have.
>
>YES, SO TRUE.
>
>MY BIBLE DOES NOT SAY THAT THE END TIMES STARTED IN YEAR 1914,
>NOR THAT JESUS WAS AND/OR IS ARCHANGEL MICHAEL, NOR ANY
>OF THE OTHER LUDICROUS UNBIBLICAL CRAP THAT YOU HAVE
>POSTED TO THIS FORUM.
Your opinions of my postings is noted.
>
>> >YOU POST SCRIPTURE QUOTES AND THEN GIVE THEM
>> >INTERPRETATIONS THAT GO AGAINST MANY OTHER
>> >SCRIPTURES.
>>
>> In your opinion.
>
>NO.
>
>NEVER.
>
>I HAVE ALWAYS SHOWN SCRIPTURE QUOTES WHICH GO AGAINST
>YOUR PERSONAL INTERPRETATION OF SOME SINGULAR SCRIPTURE
>OR SCRIPTURES.
>
>
>> I usually support my statements with Scriptural
>> proof.
>
>YOU NEED TO CHANGE THAT TO ALWAYS.
Many Scriptures don't need support to be understood, such as “God is
love” and “love your neighbor as yourself.” (1 John 4:8; Mt 19:19)
>
>> >LIKE WHEN YOU SAID THERE ARE NO DEAD SPIRITS.
>> >YET THE BIBLE DIRECTLY PLAINLY STATES THAT JESUS
>> >PREACHED TO THE DEAD (1 PETER 4),
>>
>> This “dead” is metaphorically meaning dead spiritually. As it says at
>> 1 Pet 4:6,
>>
>> “For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are
>> dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but
>> live according to God in the spirit.”
>
>
>S E R I O U S L Y ? ? ? ?
>
>NOW YOUR MEDS ARE DEFINITELY DOING THE TALKING.
>
>HOW BLIND OR DISHONEST CAN YOU BE ?
>
>SAYS MEN IN THE SPIRIT VERSUS MEN IN THE FLESH.
>
>JESUS PREACHED TO THE MEN IN THE SPIRIT WHEN
>HE JESUS WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE THE THREE DAYS
>AND THREE NIGHTS, SO THAT THEY MIGHT BE JUDGED
>THE SAME AS THE MEN IN THE FLESH THAT HE HAD
>ALREADY PREACHED TO FOR APPROXIMATELY 3 YEARS.
>
>
>> Notice that they “live” to God.
>
>LIAR.
>
>IT DOES NOT SAY THAT.
That they “live” to God? Maybe you need glasses because that is
exactly what they say.
>
>IT SAYS: "that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but
>live according to God in the spirit.”
>
>SOULS DO NOT "LIVE TO GOD".
>
>THEY EITHER LIVE TO GOD MOSTLY OR
>ELSE LIVE TO SATAN MOSTLY -
>IT IS EACH SOULS CHOICE
>WHICH THEY WANT OR PREFER.
I assume by “soul” you mean some mysterious part of humans that
survives death, and is immortal, as the churches mostly preach.
The Bible uses the word “soul” (Hebrew nephesh) to mean the whole
organism. It first uses the word soul to describe fish. Ge 1:20,
"And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living souls, and
let fowl fly above the earth in the expanse of the heavens. " (DBY)
The first use of the word “soul” for a human is at Genesis 2:7,
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
(KJV)
Notice that Adam wasn't 'given' a soul, but when he started to breath
he BECAME a soul. So when a person dies, a soul dies, thus it can't be
immortal. Eze 18:4,
"Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the
soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die." (KJV)
>
>
>> Thus these people are not literally
>> dead. It is like Eph 2:1,
>>
>> “ AND YOU he made alive, when you were dead through the trespasses and
>> sins “ (RSV)
>
>
>THAT PASSAGE IS ABOUT SPIRITUAL DEATH.
That's exactly what I am talking about. “ Thus these people are not
literally dead.”
>
>THE OTHER PASSAGES ARE ABOUT DISINCARNATE SOULS ON
>THE OTHER SIDE OR SAME DIFFERENCE IN THE UNSEEN REALM
>WHERE THE DISINCARNATE OR PHYSICALLY DEAD OR "DEAD"
>RESIDE. JESUS PREACHED TO THEM WHEN HE WAS ON THE
>OTHER SIDE.
Jesus had to be in the heart of the earth 3 days and nights. (Mt
12:40) He was not conscious of anything during that time. (Ec 9:5; Ps
146:3,4)
>
>> It is a waste of time to preach to those literally dead, because they
>> are not conscious of anything. Ec 9:5,
>
>GOD DOES NOT WASTE TIME,
>AND SCRIPTURE TESTIFIES THAT
>GOD WILL JUDGE BOTH THE CARNATE
>LIVING SOULS AND THE DISINCARNATE
>DEAD SOULS.
You told me you don't give opinions, but rather back your statements
up with Scriptures. I failed to see any here on your last comment.
>
>> "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing;
>> they have no further reward, and even the memory of them is
>> forgotten." (NIV)
>
>HANG YOUR BELIEF ON ONE STATEMENT OF IMPERFECT SOLOMON
>IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, RATHER THAN THE MAJORITY OF SCRIPTURES
>ON THE SUBJECT AND PRIORITY TO JESUS' WORDS?
>
>NO THANKS.
Then you are deliberately contradicting 2 Tim 3:16,
"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for
refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness." (NAB)
You forget that God inspired those imperfect men to accurately write
things down. He was aware of their imperfections.
>
>YOU CAN BE SUCH AN EXTREME IDIOT AND FOOL, BUT I SHALL NOT BE.
>
>AND BTW: IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT STATEMENT WAS MEANT BY
>SOLOMON AS A RIDICULE AGAINST THE LIES AND VAIN IMAGININGS
>OF THE STUPID POPULACE.
>
>> Ps 146:3,4,
>>
>> "3 Do not trust in princes, In mortal man,
>
>IN SOLOMON.
>
>> in whom there is no
>> salvation.
>> 4 His spirit departs, he returns to the earth; In that very
>> day his thoughts perish." (NASB)
>>
>> Jesus did go to where those fallen angels were,
>
>
>JESUS NEVER PREACHED TO ANGELS ! ! ! !
He most certainly did. And this was not done while Jesus was dead
because he had to be in the heart of the earth for 3 days and nights.
He was nonexistent during that time. (or “asleep” as Jesus calls it) 1
Pe 3:18-20,
“18. For Christ also suffered {Other ancient authorities read [died]}
for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, in order to
bring you {Other ancient authorities read [us]} to God. He was put to
death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit,
19. in which also he went and made a proclamation to the spirits in
prison,
20. who in former times did not obey, when God waited patiently in
the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that
is, eight persons, were saved through water.” (NRS)
Notice the wording of verse 18. Jesus was made alive in the spirit (as
a spirit being), then it goes on to say he (in that state of
resurrection as a spirit being) preached to the spirits in prison. It
was a message of doom, because God has already adversely judged them.
Satan and his demon friends are on this earth and tempt us humans. 1
Peter 5:8,
“ Discipline yourselves, keep alert. {Or [be vigilant]} Like a roaring
lion your adversary the devil prowls around, looking for someone to
devour.” (NRS)
>
>AND THERE IS NO "WERE" - IN CHAINS OF DARKNESS
>IS WHERE THOSE ANGELS STILL ARE AND WILL BE
>UNTO JUDGMENT DAY ! ! ! !
Negatrons. See 1 Peter 5:8 above.
>
>
>> and likely preached a
>> message of doom. But they were all alive in Tartarus.
>>
>>
>> <AND JESUS HIMSELF
>> >PLAINLY TAUGHT THAT THE DEAD ARE COGNIZANT (LUKE 16).
>>
>> Luke 16 is about the PARABLE of the rich man and Lazarus. It was not
>> meant to be taken literally.
>
>WOW! WHAT AN IDIOT AND/OR LIAR YOU ARE!
>
>JESUS NEVER SAID IT WAS A PARABLE.
I don't recall Jesus saying that any of them were parables. That was
the Bible writer's assertions. Mt 13:34.35,
“34. Jesus told the crowds all these things in parables; without a
parable he told them nothing.
35. This was to fulfill what had been spoken through the prophet:
{Other ancient authorities read [the prophet Isaiah]}
"I will open my mouth to speak in parables;
I will proclaim what has been hidden from the foundation of the
world." {Other ancient authorities lack [of the world]}”
>
>AND IT WAS MEANT TO BE TAKEN AS A STORY
>ILLUSTRATIVE OF FACT, TRUTH, REALITY.
Like I believe we covered this once before. If you take the parable
literal, you run into all kinds of problems. Concerning Lazarus and
the rich man at Luke 16:19-31, it is a parable. As one dictionary
defines a parable,
"a short allegorical story designed to convey a truth or moral
lesson." (The Random House College Dictionary)
If we take the story as literal and not allegorical then we run into
some problems. It would mean that all those with divine favor could
fit into the bosom of one man, Abraham. Also, that any water on a
person's fingertip would not evaporate by the fire of Hades. That a
small drop of water would bring relief to one suffering there. Does
that sound reasonable to you? As the Jerusalem Bible says in a
footnote on this parable, that it is a
"parable in story form without reference to any historical personage".
Did Jesus mean for us to take the parable literal? If so, we would
have to draw these conclusions.
(a) when righteous people die they end up in Abraham's bosom.
(Verse 22)
(b) a drop of water would not evaporate in a blazing fire and
would bring a person in this blazing fire relief. (Verse 24)
(c) people are alive in Hades. This contradicts other
scriptures. Also, Hades is within calling distance of Heaven.(Verses
24,25)
(d) just being rich puts you in a fiery hell when you die. His
only fault was he didn't share with the poor. (Verse 23)
(e) just being poor gets you into Heaven when you die. (Verse 22)
Also, what is Abraham doing in Heaven when Jesus said that no human
up
to this time had been to heaven? Jesus says at John 3:13,
"Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from
heaven, the Son of man."
No, there is no hellfire here. Jesus was telling a story to make a
> point.
>
>
>> >ALL OF THE JW TEACHINGS ARE JUNK, EXCEPT FOR THAT
>> >GOD AND JESUS ARE TWO BEINGS NOT ONE AND THE
>> >SAME BEING.
>>
Your opinion of JW's is noted. I would hope you would change your mind
some day:)
>>
>>
>> You just disagreed with most of the churches of Christendom, who
>> believe in the Trinity.
>
>
>JAMES, HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY AT THIS GROUP
>THAT I AM A SPIRITUAL BIBLICIST, EXACTLY AS JESUS WAS,
>AND AS IS PREACHED BY THE HOLY BIBLE ITSELF.
>
>THE HOLY BIBLE DOES NOT PREACH RELIGION.
I beg to differ. It says there is only “one faith”. (Eph 4:5) The
apostle Paul says that Christians should come together as a
congregation. Heb 10:25,
“not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but
encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day
approaching.”
Paul even tells the qualifications for bishops and Deacons in the
congregations. This is truly a Christian religion. (1 Tim 3:1-13)
>
>AND THE HOLY BIBLE SAYS THAT THE LORD GOD IS ONE.
Yes, that is Deut 6:4. And most of the churches ignore that verse in
order to promote their Trinity doctrine of the 4th century
>
>> >> If you call the
>> >> postings “junk”, then you are calling the Bible junk. Maybe you want
>> >> to reword it.
>> >
>> >THAT JESUS WAS AND/OR IS MICHAEL IS JUNK.
>> >THAT JESUS HAS BEEN RULING FROM HEAVEN SINCE 1914 IS JUNK.
>> >THAT THERE ARE NO DEAD SPIRITS IS JUNK.
>>
>> In the Bible, angels are called spirits.
>
>THEY ARE CALLED BY DIFFERENT NOUNS,
>NOT JUST 'SPIRITS' - LIKE ANGELS, SPIRITS,
>MINISTERS, MESSENGERS, MORE.
>
>AND THE SOULS INCARNATE IN HUMAN BODIES
>ARE ALSO CALLED 'SPIRITS'.
Negatrons. Even animals have “spirit” as this inspired Scripture tells
us:
Ec 3:19,
“for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they
all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies; and
they all have but one spirit. So man has no superiority over animals,
for everything is futile.” (NWT)
>
>
>> Every angel that has been
>> created, is still alive. Although they are dead spiritually,
>
>ONLY THE FALLEN ANGELS ARE DEAD SPIRITUALLY.
That is what I meant.
>
>> they
>> literally are alive. But their time is short and soon they will be
>> nonexistent along with the unrighteous humans.
>
>
>NOT SO.
>
>JESUS SAID THAT BEING LIKE AN ANGEL,
>ONE COULD NOT DIE:
That couldn't be true, since the wicked angels will be destroyed, not
live forever. Mr 1:24,
“and he cried out, "What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth?
Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are, the Holy One of
God."” (NRS)
>
>LUKE 20
>For they cannot die again, because they are like angels.
>
>SATAN AND THE OTHER FALLEN ANGELS
>WILL EXIST AND SUFFER TORMENT ETERNALLY.
No they won't. God is no sadist and will not torture anyone. All
unrighteous beings whether angel or human will cease to exist. (be
destroyed)
>
>
>> >THAT THERE ARE A BUNCH OF DEMONIC ANGELS ON THE LOOSE IS JUNK.
>>
>> Is Scriptural. That is why the Bible says “woe for the earth”. (Rev
>> 12:12b) Because the Devil and his demon angels have been tossed down
>> to the vicinity of the earth.
>
>IDIOT.
>
>THAT IS THE SAME EVENT AS DESCRIBED IN GENESIS 6 ET CETERA.
>
No it isn't.
>THAT IS NOT FUTURE OR PRESENT, BUT ABOUT THE PAST.
The Revelation Scripture is as yet future to us
>
>ALL THOSE ANGELS, EXCEPT FOR LUCIFER, ARE KEPT IN CHAINS
>OF DARKNESS RESERVED UNTO JUDGMENT DAY.
Yes, they cannot materialize physical bodies like they did in the days
of Noah. But they can influence humans. What do you think these
'ghosts' are? They are demons pretending to be dead humans, which goes
contrary to the Bible.
>
>
>> >THAT ASTROLOGY TAROT CARDS ETC. ARE DEMONIC IS JUNK.
>>
>> I never addressed that topic yet, but I agree with you. All forms of
>> spiritism are junk.
>
>I STUDIED ALL THE RELIGIONS.
>
>I KNOW WHAT JW TEACH.
>
>YOU AGREE WITH ME THAT THE JW STATEMENT THAT
>ASTROLOGY TAROT CARDS ETC. ARE DEMONIC IS JUNK?
>
>THANK YOU.
I mean that Astrology and tarot cards are demonic junk, and real
Christians stay away from all things of that nature. (such as wigi
boards, talking to the dead (which is really talking to the lying
demons), and all spiritualistic practices.
>
>BUT SPIRITISM IS INTEREST IN THE DISINCARNATE
>SPIRITS - WHETHER ANGELS OR HUMAN SOULS.
>
>GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
Like I said, you are so far out of it, that it would take a while to
set matters straight.
>
>ASTROLOGY AND TAROT CARDS ETC. HAVE NOTHING TO DO
>WITH SPIRITISM.
And I am supposed to just believe you? Astrology is a pseudoscience.
I once was into it, and even made a few horoscopes. People's birth
signs are not correct, because of precession of the equinoxes. It
throws them off one or two signs.
>
>
>> >THAT SALVATION IS NOT EARNED IS JUNK.
>>
>> I don't recall stating such a thing.
>
>YOU DID.
>
>> Salvation is earned, as Jesus
>> shows us at Mt 24:13,
>>
>> "But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved." (NASB)
>>
>> Thus salvation is conditional upon a person remaining righteous to the
>> end.
>
>
>NOW YOU HAVE DISAGREED WITH EVERYONE AT THIS GROUP
>EXCEPT FOR ME.
I call it like it is.
>
>
>> >THAT THE EARTH SHALL EXIST FOREVER IS JUNK.
>>
>> Are you sure you have read the Bible? Ec 1:4,
>>
>> "Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever."
>> (NIV)
>>
>> And Ps 104:5,
>>
>> "Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed
>> for ever." (KJV)
>
>
>ARE YOU SURE Y O U HAVE READ THE BIBLE?
>
>JESUS:
>HEAVEN AND EARTH SHALL PASS AWAY.
What is wrong with Heaven? That is where God lives. Why destroy the
earth? Just remove the bad people on it and put good ones there. No
need to destroy the earth.
>
>PETER:
>THE EARTH AND EVERYTHING ON IT SHALL BE DECREATED BY FIRE.
>
>JOHN:
>AND FIRE CAME DOWN FROM GOD OUT OF HEAVEN...
>AND THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS FLED AWAY, AND
>THERE WAS NO PLACE FOUND FOR THEM....
>FOR THE FIRST HEAVEN AND THE FIRST EARTH
>HAD PASSED AWAY, AND THE SEA WAS NOR MORE.
>
>AS FAR AS YOUR OLD TESTAMENT QUOTES ABOVE,
>THE WORD TRANSLATED "FOREVER" MEANT
>FOR A LONG TIME, NOT FOR ETERNITY.
Actually it does according to Strong's Concordance:
“Strong's Ref. # 5769
Romanized `owlam
Pronounced o-lawm'
or `olam {o-lawm'}; from HSN5956; properly, concealed, i.e. the
vanishing point; generally, time out of mind (past or future), i.e.
(practically) eternity; frequentatively, adverbial (especially with
prepositional prefix) always: “
>
>WHEN YOU STOOD IN LINE TOO LONG AND
>SAID THAT IT TOOK FOREVER, DID YOU
>MEAN YOU STOOD IN LINE FOR ALL
>ETERNITY?
You can't compare idioms in modern English with the definition of
ancient Hebrew words.
>
>
>
>> >THAT PEOPLE NEED A RELIGION IS JUNK.
>>
>> God will judge those who do not follow the religion of the Bible for
>> whatever their reasons.
>
>THE BIBLE DOES NOT HAVE A RELIGION,
>NOR DOES IT PREACH RELIGION.
>
>IT PREACHES SPIRITUALITY:
It preaches lots of things such as morality etc. But it does teach a
true religion called the “one faith”. (Eph4:5)
>
>Galatians 5:16
>This I say then: Lead a spiritual life.
>--
>Romans 8:6
>To be carnally minded is death; but to be
>spiritually minded is life and peace.
>--
>1 Peter 2:5
>As living stones, build up yourselves and become
>spiritual temples and holy priests to offer up
>spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God.
>--
>Colossians 1:7-10
>Epaphras our beloved fellow servant...has made
>known to us your love for spiritual things. For
>this cause we...do not cease to pray for you and
>to ask that you might be filled with the knowledge
>of the will of God in all wisdom and in all spiritual
>understanding, that you might live a righteous
>life, please God with all good works, and bring
>forth good fruits.
James 1:27,
“ Religion that is pure and undefiled before God and the Father is
this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep
oneself unstained from the world.“