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What happens when sinners pluck a bible verse out of scripture?
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Michael Christ
May 21, 2022, 12:13:40 AM5/21/22
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Imagine, if you will, I was to go into your home and pick up a DVD of a
movie.
I then watch that movie and proceed to tell you all there is to know
about your life.
Such is a bible verse in the hands of a sinner, atheist or religionist
alike.
Thank you, thank you very much!
Michael Christ
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.
Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."
"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are."
"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."
"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination."
"Compromise will condemn you."
"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."
"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."
"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"
"The way of truth is the testimony of life."
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."
"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."
"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."
"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."
"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."
"Priority is everything."
"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."
"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."
"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."
"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."
"Wait, rest, be still, and know."
"No man can wash his own hands!!!"
"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."
The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator. So
no evidence and proof is to be found!!"
"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."
"Man is not the centre of being."
"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."
"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."
movie.
I then watch that movie and proceed to tell you all there is to know
about your life.
Such is a bible verse in the hands of a sinner, atheist or religionist
alike.
Thank you, thank you very much!
Michael Christ
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.
Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."
"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are."
"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."
"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination."
"Compromise will condemn you."
"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."
"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."
"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"
"The way of truth is the testimony of life."
"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."
"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."
"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."
"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."
"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."
"Priority is everything."
"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."
"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."
"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."
"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."
"Wait, rest, be still, and know."
"No man can wash his own hands!!!"
"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."
The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator. So
no evidence and proof is to be found!!"
"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."
"Man is not the centre of being."
"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."
"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."
Ted
May 21, 2022, 4:28:24 PM5/21/22
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On Sat, 21 May 2022 14:13:37 +1000, Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Imagine, if you will, I was to go into your home and pick up a DVD
of a
> movie.
> I then watch that movie and proceed to tell you all there is to
know
> about your life.
> Such is a bible verse in the hands of a sinner, atheist or
religionist
> alike.
> Thank you, thank you very much!
> Michael Christ
Those sinful motherfuckers!!
<jesusisth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Imagine, if you will, I was to go into your home and pick up a DVD
of a
> movie.
> I then watch that movie and proceed to tell you all there is to
know
> about your life.
> Such is a bible verse in the hands of a sinner, atheist or
religionist
> alike.
> Thank you, thank you very much!
> Michael Christ
Michael Christ
May 21, 2022, 10:09:09 PM5/21/22
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conversation. We have no idea how sinful sin is. All we have known is
the paradigm we know and the "rightness" we design in our fallibleness!
However, it is a far, far cry from the "rightness" of God! For
instance, remember when Moses came down from the mountain and the
Israelites asked him to cover his face because the radiance of God was
upon it?
That was only a tiny brush of the rightness of God upon him and they
could not behold him!
Man has no idea how sinful, how dark sin is! Just as man has no idea
how pure, holy, and radiant the light of God actually is!
Ted
May 22, 2022, 11:30:23 AM5/22/22
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On Sun, 22 May 2022 12:09:07 +1000, Michael Christ
This is true. My thoughts were similar to yours when I was a
christer. Btw, I read that Moses always thereafter kept his face
covered in public. Is that scriptural?
christer. Btw, I read that Moses always thereafter kept his face
covered in public. Is that scriptural?
Michael Christ
May 22, 2022, 4:48:34 PM5/22/22
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He ended up stuffing up. God told him to speak to the rock but he
struck it in anger. That cooked his goose to be able to enter the
promised land.
Why do you think about that?
Michael Christ
May 22, 2022, 4:54:10 PM5/22/22
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On 23/05/2022 1:30 am, Ted wrote:
ever becomes a "was," Ted.
That would be like walking back into a Lotto news agency and giving back
the winning ticket; on a write your-own ticket value, no less.
Ted
May 22, 2022, 5:24:51 PM5/22/22
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On Mon, 23 May 2022 06:48:32 +1000, Michael Christ
LOL. It's involved, but the short answer to your question is that it
was a form of polemic against the Mushite Levites from Shiloh. (The
full explanation would require a few paragraphs.)
There are actually two accounts of Moses striking the rock at
Meribah, the one in Exodus 17 written during the 9th century BCE and
the one in Numbers 20 written two centuries later. And they weren't
combined into a single volume until over two centuries after that, no
doubt by Ezra and/or those working with him.
was a form of polemic against the Mushite Levites from Shiloh. (The
full explanation would require a few paragraphs.)
There are actually two accounts of Moses striking the rock at
Meribah, the one in Exodus 17 written during the 9th century BCE and
the one in Numbers 20 written two centuries later. And they weren't
combined into a single volume until over two centuries after that, no
doubt by Ezra and/or those working with him.
Ted
May 22, 2022, 5:26:08 PM5/22/22
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On Mon, 23 May 2022 06:54:07 +1000, Michael Christ
Thanks MX. I guess that's good to know ... in case ...
Ted
May 22, 2022, 5:36:11 PM5/22/22
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It was written during the reign of Solomon.
Michael Christ
May 22, 2022, 7:10:34 PM5/22/22
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human ability of man to understand a principle; it is the message of the
story that matters.
We, as human beings, tell stories all the time. We get creative, make
stuff up, stretch the truth, bend the truth, twist the truth, add stuff,
take away stuff, but to what end?? To deliberately lie?? No, to try
and get our story over, to send a message!
Listen to people speak. We all have a message to relate. So what is
really the important point? The means or the message??
By sheer common human behaviour, it is the message. For example, I told
a story the other day, it was true, but it didn't matter. About waking
up in the middle of the night, yadda, yadda, yadda, to get to the point
of the story, God declaring, "I see everything." In light of that, who
cares if the details were exactly, perfectly described?
Most of us on our best days find it hard to be utterly and absolutely
humanly 100% perfect to the finest detail, y'know! :-). There is only
you and me, and I am not sure about you. :-).
God said no, you can't go into the promised land because Moses hit the
rock in anger instead of speaking to the rock like he was instructed.
Why do you think God would do that? What is the point of the story?
What is the message?
It would be impossible to plumb the depths of such an incident here
(books could be written), but one reason you could give would suffice
for the exercise.
What the hell, why don't you just have a go? If there is nothing to
lose, what have you got to lose?
Ted
May 22, 2022, 9:03:13 PM5/22/22
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On Mon, 23 May 2022 09:10:32 +1000, Michael Christ
Like the first century Christians telling people about Jesus.
> Listen to people speak. We all have a message to relate. So what
is
> really the important point? The means or the message??
> By sheer common human behaviour, it is the message. For example, I
told
> a story the other day, it was true, but it didn't matter. About
waking
> up in the middle of the night, yadda, yadda, yadda, to get to the
point
> of the story, God declaring, "I see everything." In light of that,
who
> cares if the details were exactly, perfectly
> described?
True.
> Most of us on our best days find it hard to be utterly and
absolutely
> humanly 100% perfect to the finest detail, y'know! :-). There is
only
> you and me, and I am not sure about
> you. :-).
Heh. Yeah.
> God said no, you can't go into the promised land because Moses hit
the
> rock in anger instead of speaking to the rock like he was
instructed.
> Why do you think God would do that? What is the point of the
story?
> What is the message?
> It would be impossible to plumb the depths of such an incident here
> (books could be written), but one reason you could give would
suffice
> for the exercise.
> What the hell, why don't you just have a go? If there is nothing to
> lose, what have you got to lose?
> Michael Christ
Oh, I already know why it was written that way. But, as I said above,
the explanation would require several paragraphs. And I doubt you'd
want to hear it anyway. Basically, it was polemic against the Levites
from Shiloh.
You're probably interested in the Christian explanation of such a
harsh punishment for such a vague offense. And I'm sure you can find
multiple reasons online. But none of them would be the real reason.
It began with the death of David and the decision on which of his
sons would succeed him.
> Listen to people speak. We all have a message to relate. So what
is
> really the important point? The means or the message??
> By sheer common human behaviour, it is the message. For example, I
told
> a story the other day, it was true, but it didn't matter. About
waking
> up in the middle of the night, yadda, yadda, yadda, to get to the
point
> of the story, God declaring, "I see everything." In light of that,
who
> cares if the details were exactly, perfectly
> described?
> Most of us on our best days find it hard to be utterly and
absolutely
> humanly 100% perfect to the finest detail, y'know! :-). There is
only
> you and me, and I am not sure about
> you. :-).
> God said no, you can't go into the promised land because Moses hit
the
> rock in anger instead of speaking to the rock like he was
instructed.
> Why do you think God would do that? What is the point of the
story?
> What is the message?
> It would be impossible to plumb the depths of such an incident here
> (books could be written), but one reason you could give would
suffice
> for the exercise.
> What the hell, why don't you just have a go? If there is nothing to
> lose, what have you got to lose?
> Michael Christ
the explanation would require several paragraphs. And I doubt you'd
want to hear it anyway. Basically, it was polemic against the Levites
from Shiloh.
You're probably interested in the Christian explanation of such a
harsh punishment for such a vague offense. And I'm sure you can find
multiple reasons online. But none of them would be the real reason.
It began with the death of David and the decision on which of his
sons would succeed him.
Michael Christ
May 23, 2022, 7:28:53 PM5/23/22
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heart' message from God about Himself. Who He is, what He is, why He
is, and what He wills.
So simply and very briefly, the bible is all about the Person of God,
and Moses made it all about himself, but he is not an almighty and
beneficent Creator.
By the way, it was God that gave the people the water from the rock, not
Moses. Seeing that reveals to you the whole problem of man. He makes
it all about himself and he is not worthy, and neither is he able to...
Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
Ted
May 23, 2022, 10:05:13 PM5/23/22
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On Tue, 24 May 2022 09:28:49 +1000, Michael Christ
I think I see what you mean. Moses behaved as though he was
accomplishing it apart from Jehovah. Makes sense.
accomplishing it apart from Jehovah. Makes sense.
Michael Christ
May 24, 2022, 6:43:54 AM5/24/22
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He made himself God. No promised land for him!!!
Chlisterns, like Boob Dungcan and Robber Robert, are classic for that
behaviour! Thinking themselves to be righteous according to their own
verbal bullshit and undertaking of biblical theology!
Liars, of course! Vile operatives of fallen man self-righteous
prostitution and filled with gay pride!
Michael Christ
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.
Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
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