The Truth is Crisp.
Michael Christ
Since Jesus does not sin, you are not in Christ.
Michael Christ
Mark Earnest
"Michael Christ" <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote in message
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> If you say you are in Christ and sin, you are saying Jesus sins.
>
> Since Jesus does not sin, you are not in Christ.
But no one is in Christ to that degree...yet.
Michael Christ
>If you say you are in Christ and sin, you are saying Jesus sins.
>Since Jesus does not sin, you are not in Christ.
Mark wrote:
> But no one is in Christ to that degree...yet.
So what I have written is not true??
:-).
With God, all things are possible. Where the way seems impossible, there is
a Way with God.
The Lord is able to do far and above what a man thinks.
Michael Christ
Mark Earnest
"Michael Christ" <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote in message
> Michael Christ wrote:
>>If you say you are in Christ and sin, you are saying Jesus sins.
>
>>Since Jesus does not sin, you are not in Christ.
>
>
> Mark wrote:
>> But no one is in Christ to that degree...yet.
>
> So what I have written is not true??
It is not true, because we are in Christ.
Just not to that degree...the degree of not sinning any more.
bob young
Michael Christ wrote:
> If you say you are in Christ and sin, you are saying Jesus sins.
>
> Since Jesus does not sin, you are not in Christ.
>
I agree you are not - You are 'in'sane
"I contend that we are both atheists.
I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods,
you will understand why I dismiss yours."
[Stephen Roberts]
Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor)
Man creates his gods in his own image,
then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content
R E L I G I O N - it is all in the mind,
an escape from life's realities and hardships,
sixty percent ritual, forty percent fantasy
bob young
Michael Christ wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
> >If you say you are in Christ and sin, you are saying Jesus sins.
>
> >Since Jesus does not sin, you are not in Christ.
>
> Mark wrote:
> > But no one is in Christ to that degree...yet.
>
> So what I have written is not true??
>
> :-).
>
> With God, all things are possible,
You overlook something - YOU are not a god !
> Where the way seems impossible, there is
> a Way with God.
So YOU say. In that case have him get rid of . . . . .
Earthquakes that kill
Tropical cyclones that kill
Tsunamis that kill
All of the above without discretion - innocent children included.
>
> The Lord is able to do far and above what a man thinks.
garbage
>
>
> Michael Christ
bob young
Mark Earnest wrote:
> "Michael Christ" <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote in message
> news:cIFNm.56308$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > Michael Christ wrote:
> >>If you say you are in Christ and sin, you are saying Jesus sins.
> >
> >>Since Jesus does not sin, you are not in Christ.
> >
> >
> > Mark wrote:
> >> But no one is in Christ to that degree...yet.
> >
> > So what I have written is not true??
>
> It is not true, because we are in Christ.
> Just not to that degree...the degree of not sinning any more.
SIN ! ?
Sin has always been a tool of the clergy, used and adopted to bolster
membership. It is seized upon with zeal because there is a universal distaste
for sin - even a thief becomes highly agitated if someone breaks into his home
and steals his loot.
Sin was around long before man could speak in simple tongue, let alone write.
Eons later sin was hijacked, applied, used, twisted and manipulated by the
clergy with more force and enthusiasm than any other example of religious
dogma.
Until preachers and their hangers on defer from manipulating sin as a
propagating tool - they too will never be free from committing sin themselves.
Mark Earnest
"bob young" <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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God, life, whatever you call good, continually lays a path before you.
If you deviate from that path, that is sin.
Michael Christ
>If you say you are in Christ and sin, you are saying Jesus sins.
>Since Jesus does not sin, you are not in Christ.
Mark wrote:
>But no one is in Christ to that degree...yet.
Michael Christ wrote:
>> So what I have written is not true??
Mark wrote:
> It is not true, because we are in Christ.
> Just not to that degree...the degree of not sinning any more.
Well as I know it, Jesus is not Lord in a person that sins. He is light and
in Christ there is no darkness at all. But that's my experience.
A person is either a servant of God or he is not, I can't find a
facilitation to live life in between.
Anyway...
Q: How are you a sinner, Mark?
Q: You talk of degrees, so to what degree are you a sinner?
Q: What did Jesus do on the cross?
Michael Christ wrote:
>> With God, all things are possible. Where the way seems impossible, there
>> is a Way with God.
>>
>> The Lord is able to do far and above what a man thinks.
Q: How is it that a man can walk boldly into the throneroom of God and talk
to God, a holy God, a God of fire, whereas previously he would be burned up?
This is going somewhere (something the Lord has rekindled in my memory) if
you are interested enough to have a go at the questions and take a little
walk with me in the Spirit.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> If you say you are in Christ and sin, you are saying Jesus sins.
>>
>> Since Jesus does not sin, you are not in Christ.
Bob wrote:
> I agree you are not - You are 'in'sane
Thank you Bob.
Michael Christ
Mark Earnest
"Michael Christ" <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote in message
> Michael Christ wrote:
>>If you say you are in Christ and sin, you are saying Jesus sins.
>
>>Since Jesus does not sin, you are not in Christ.
>
>
> Mark wrote:
>>But no one is in Christ to that degree...yet.
>
> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> So what I have written is not true??
>
> Mark wrote:
>> It is not true, because we are in Christ.
>> Just not to that degree...the degree of not sinning any more.
>
> Well as I know it, Jesus is not Lord in a person that sins.
Jesus will perfect us.
He is light and
> in Christ there is no darkness at all. But that's my experience.
>
> A person is either a servant of God or he is not, I can't find a
> facilitation to live life in between.
Some are more servants of God than others.
As when Jesus continually talks about the greatest and the least
of heaven.
> Anyway...
>
> Q: How are you a sinner, Mark?
None of your business. That is between me and God.
>
> Q: You talk of degrees, so to what degree are you a sinner?
None of your business.
> Q: What did Jesus do on the cross?
Now that is your business, and everybody's business.
He took the hellfire and damnation that God was going to place
on everyone...on himself.
>
>
> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> With God, all things are possible. Where the way seems impossible,
>>> there is a Way with God.
>>>
>>> The Lord is able to do far and above what a man thinks.
>
> Q: How is it that a man can walk boldly into the throneroom of God and
> talk to God, a holy God, a God of fire, whereas previously he would be
> burned up?
He has on his asbestos suit, that is, he is covered by the blood.
>
> This is going somewhere (something the Lord has rekindled in my memory) if
> you are interested enough to have a go at the questions and take a little
> walk with me in the Spirit.
I am glad you investigate all these things.
Thurisaz, warrior of Thor
> Since Jesus does not sin, you are not in Christ.
Your jeebus is a genocidal madman, according to your cult's wholly babble.
Good job lying again for your fï¿œhrer.
--
Thurisaz, warrior of Thor, natural enemy of morontheism
The judgment of morontheism: http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
Mark Earnest
>
>
>
> Michael Christ
You know, you're kind of asking for people to get short with you
when you are calling yourself Christ.
Michael Christ
"Mark Earnest" <gmea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>
> You know, you're kind of asking for people to get short with you
> when you are calling yourself Christ.
For one, the Lord gave it to me.
For two, it is not my job to please people.
Michael Christ
Mark Earnest
"Michael Christ" <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote in message
Oh, you're Jesus Christ's little known little brother Michael Christ?
Michael Christ
>If you say you are in Christ and sin, you are saying Jesus sins.
>Since Jesus does not sin, you are not in Christ.
Mark wrote:
>But no one is in Christ to that degree...yet.
Michael Christ wrote:
>So what I have written is not true??
Mark wrote:
>It is not true, because we are in Christ.
>Just not to that degree...the degree of not sinning any more.
Michael Christ wrote:
>Well as I know it, Jesus is not Lord in a person that sins.
Mark wrote:
>Jesus will perfect us.
He most certainly will if a man lets Him, yes.
Michael Christ wrote:
>He is light and in Christ there is no darkness at all. But that's my
>experience.
>A person is either a servant of God or he is not, I can't find a
>facilitation to live >life in between.
Mark wrote:
> Some are more servants of God than others.
Well to Him you are either a servant or you are not.
Mark wrote:
> As when Jesus continually talks about the greatest and the least
> of heaven.
A servant is a servant regardless or he is not. Greatest and the least is
not talking about dipping in and out of servanthood and the flesh wills.
But you know that.
Michael Christ wrote:
>> Anyway...
>>
>> Q: How are you a sinner, Mark?
Mark wrote:
> None of your business. That is between me and God.
Wasn't particularly looking for details, just wanting you to think about
what you have said.
Michael Christ wrote:
>Q: You talk of degrees, so to what degree are you a sinner?
Mark wrote:
>None of your business.
Same as above.
Michael Christ wrote:
>> Q: What did Jesus do on the cross?
Mark wrote:
> Now that is your business, and everybody's business.
> He took the hellfire and damnation that God was going to place
> on everyone...on himself.
That's right.
He took away the sin of the world, the debt of our sins, ripping the veil of
the temple/separation apart so that we could walk boldly into the throneroom
of God and make our petitions to Him personally...amongst other things.
So now it can be seen that the issue with God is not sin, or being a sinner,
for sin has been dealt with, it is something so much more basic.
It is about whether we want Him or not.
The Lord has declared His love for us and stands on the highest point (for
He has been to the lowest) in all the earth and voices from the east to the
west..."Please come to Me"...for so many reasons.
You see it is not about what a man has done, it is about what a man hasn't
done.
Michael Christ wrote:
>With God, all things are possible. Where the way seems impossible, there
>is a >Way with God.
>The Lord is able to do far and above what a man thinks.
>Q: How is it that a man can walk boldly into the throneroom of God and
>talk to God, a holy God, a God of fire, whereas previously he would be
>burned up?
Mark wrote:
> He has on his asbestos suit, that is, he is covered by the blood.
There is nothing any accuser can say that has any authority against anyone
for the debt that was is no more.
Yes, Jesus shed His blood, but that was the payment. I can stand (and I do)
before God and have every right, not dripping in any blood, but by the blood
that was shed for me.
A free gift.
Michael Christ wrote:
>This is going somewhere (something the Lord has rekindled in my memory) if
>you are interested enough to have a go at the questions and take a little
>walk with me in the Spirit.
Mark wrote:
> I am glad you investigate all these things.
The world has been conned about sin. It has been made to focus on the
necessity to deny it, get away from it, resist it, deal with it, avoid it
and God's know what else, but it is not the real issue.
The real issue is...do you want Me with all your heart...or not?
There is no facilitation, again, for something in between...as you know in
Rev...hot, cold, lukewarm. If a man wants God He must lose his life as the
Lord says, not battle sin. It is through faith you lose your life to Him.
Paul begged for a man to offer up his life as a living sacrifice, as a
reasonable service I might add, because he knew the faith it required.
You see it is not about what you have done, it is about what you haven't
done.
While people are buried in the vanity of trying to rid themselves of their
sin (that is spiritual wickedness, if you have the understanding), the walk
in faith that is required by God to change a man permanently and completely
cannot happen.
The truth is crisp.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
Please don't waste this Mark.
Michael Christ
bob young
Michael Christ wrote:
always happy to oblige
The universe revolves around the earth.
Stars are pinpricks in the heavens.
The world is flat (and on pillars)
Bats are a kind of bird.
Rabbits chew their cud.
There is enough water to flood the entire planet
Women were created from a man's rib
Rainbows are a promise from God
[Acknowledgements to 'James, Seattle']
But it can be corrected you know
>
Mark Earnest
"Michael Christ" <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote in message
You can either say the least are little his servant, or are not his servant.
It matters little.
>
> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> Anyway...
>>>
>>> Q: How are you a sinner, Mark?
>
> Mark wrote:
>> None of your business. That is between me and God.
>
> Wasn't particularly looking for details, just wanting you to think about
> what you have said.
That is a well known trap question meant to take down God's
annointed.
>
>
> Michael Christ wrote:
>>Q: You talk of degrees, so to what degree are you a sinner?
>
> Mark wrote:
>>None of your business.
>
> Same as above.
>
>
> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> Q: What did Jesus do on the cross?
>
> Mark wrote:
>> Now that is your business, and everybody's business.
>> He took the hellfire and damnation that God was going to place
>> on everyone...on himself.
>
> That's right.
>
> He took away the sin of the world, the debt of our sins, ripping the veil
> of the temple/separation apart so that we could walk boldly into the
> throneroom of God and make our petitions to Him personally...amongst other
> things.
>
> So now it can be seen that the issue with God is not sin, or being a
> sinner, for sin has been dealt with, it is something so much more basic.
>
> It is about whether we want Him or not.
>
> The Lord has declared His love for us and stands on the highest point (for
> He has been to the lowest) in all the earth and voices from the east to
> the west..."Please come to Me"...for so many reasons.
>
> You see it is not about what a man has done, it is about what a man hasn't
> done.
**You could look at it that way. We all have our unique ways of looking
at things.
>
>
> Michael Christ wrote:
>>With God, all things are possible. Where the way seems impossible, there
>>is a >Way with God.
>
>>The Lord is able to do far and above what a man thinks.
>
>>Q: How is it that a man can walk boldly into the throneroom of God and
>>talk to God, a holy God, a God of fire, whereas previously he would be
>>burned up?
>
> Mark wrote:
>> He has on his asbestos suit, that is, he is covered by the blood.
>
> There is nothing any accuser can say that has any authority against anyone
> for the debt that was is no more.
>
> Yes, Jesus shed His blood, but that was the payment. I can stand (and I
> do) before God and have every right, not dripping in any blood, but by the
> blood that was shed for me.
>
> A free gift.
Sure.
>
>
> Michael Christ wrote:
>>This is going somewhere (something the Lord has rekindled in my memory) if
>>you are interested enough to have a go at the questions and take a little
>>walk with me in the Spirit.
>
> Mark wrote:
>> I am glad you investigate all these things.
>
> The world has been conned about sin. It has been made to focus on the
> necessity to deny it, get away from it, resist it, deal with it, avoid it
> and God's know what else, but it is not the real issue.
>
> The real issue is...do you want Me with all your heart...or not?
Jesus would not announce himself with a trumpet, Michael.
He would not go everywhere when the first thing he says is,
"I am Christ, who are you?"
Jesus is subtle. He reveals who he is from the inside.
Besides, when Jesus comes, every eye will see him, and
it will be as the lightning which strikes from the east and is seen
as far away as the west.
>
> There is no facilitation, again, for something in between...as you know in
> Rev...hot, cold, lukewarm. If a man wants God He must lose his life as
> the Lord says, not battle sin. It is through faith you lose your life to
> Him. Paul begged for a man to offer up his life as a living sacrifice, as
> a reasonable service I might add, because he knew the faith it required.
>
> You see it is not about what you have done, it is about what you haven't
> done.
>
> While people are buried in the vanity of trying to rid themselves of their
> sin (that is spiritual wickedness, if you have the understanding), the
> walk in faith that is required by God to change a man permanently and
> completely cannot happen.
>
> The truth is crisp.
Sure, you are certainly welcome to look at things that way.
Ike E 11/16/09
[snip]
You mistake Jesus' demeanor at His first coming with His demeanor at His
second.
> Jesus would not announce himself with a trumpet, Michael.
> He would not go everywhere when the first thing he says is,
> "I am Christ, who are you?"
Oh, that's precisely what He'll be saying...to antichrist.
> Jesus is subtle. He reveals who he is from the inside.
Same problem: You're mistaking Jesus at His first coming (Lamb of God
Messiah) for Jesus at His second (Lord-God-King Messiah).
> Besides, when Jesus comes, every eye will see him, and
> it will be as the lightning which strikes from the east and is seen
> as far away as the west.
Actually, the word "asteras" means a heavenly event, like a comet or meteor
(as in asteroid).
And Jesus didn't say "as the lightning which strikes from the east and is
seen in the west."
He said...
Mt 24:27 For as the [asteras] cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto
the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Lightning in the Middle East doesn't come out of the east: It comes out of
the west and moves to the east, just like everywhere else in the northern
hemisphere.
Celestial phenomenon like comets and meteors move from east to west, counter
to the earth's rotation.
So Jesus second coming will be VERY noticeable--everywhere.
Such is the dichotomy between Jesus' first and second advents.
FYI
[snip]
Ike
Thommadura
> "Mark Earnest" <gmea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1P-dnTLNueeJ_5XW...@posted.internetamerica...
>
> [snip]
>
> You mistake Jesus' demeanor at His first coming with His demeanor at His
> second.
You mistake the MYTH of the christ as written at two different times -
obviously based on the WRITERS idea - not a real person
>
>> Jesus would not announce himself with a trumpet, Michael.
>> He would not go everywhere when the first thing he says is,
>> "I am Christ, who are you?"
>
> Oh, that's precisely what He'll be saying...to antichrist.
A belief at most- something the christ was never quoted to have talked
about either
>
>> Jesus is subtle. He reveals who he is from the inside.
>
> Same problem: You're mistaking Jesus at His first coming (Lamb of God
> Messiah) for Jesus at His second (Lord-God-King Messiah).
Same problem - two different writers making up a story the way they want to
>
>> Besides, when Jesus comes, every eye will see him, and
>> it will be as the lightning which strikes from the east and is seen
>> as far away as the west.
>
> Actually, the word "asteras" means a heavenly event, like a comet or meteor
> (as in asteroid).
>
> And Jesus didn't say "as the lightning which strikes from the east and is
> seen in the west."
>
> He said...
Sorry - but you cannot prove he said anything
>
> Mt 24:27 For as the [asteras] cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto
> the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
>
> Lightning in the Middle East doesn't come out of the east: It comes out of
> the west and moves to the east, just like everywhere else in the northern
> hemisphere.
>
> Celestial phenomenon like comets and meteors move from east to west, counter
> to the earth's rotation.
>
> So Jesus second coming will be VERY noticeable--everywhere.
>
> Such is the dichotomy between Jesus' first and second advents.
Such is the dichotomy of the different writers - who made up the MYTH
Mark Earnest
"Michael Christ" <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote in message
I have no problem with you saying you are Christ's little brother, Michael.
We all are supposed to be Christ's little brother or sister.
Just don't call yourself Christ, because to be Christ means to be
every son as God's Son.
You take it from there.
Michael Christ
>
> "Michael Christ" <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote in message
> news:QEONm.56440$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> "Mark Earnest" <gmea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:-5qdnes1fM5hMJrW...@posted.internetamerica...
>>>
>>> "Michael Christ" <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote in message
>>> news:KnNNm.56430$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>
>>>> "Mark Earnest" <gmea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:U4KdnSwwgfZTC5rW...@posted.internetamerica...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>>
>>>>> You know, you're kind of asking for people to get short with you
>>>>> when you are calling yourself Christ.
>>>>
>>>> For one, the Lord gave it to me.
>>>>
>>>> For two, it is not my job to please people.
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, you're Jesus Christ's little known little brother Michael Christ?
>>
>> Please don't waste this Mark.
>
Mark wrote:
> I have no problem with you saying you are Christ's little brother,
> Michael.
> We all are supposed to be Christ's little brother or sister.
>
> Just don't call yourself Christ, because to be Christ means to be
> every son as God's Son.
>
> You take it from there.
What would you do? Do as One without sin tells you to do, or do as one who
has a 'degree' of sin tells you to do?
In other words, get over it, you don't know everything. But if you want to
condemn me because of your 'degree of sin' interpretations, go for it Mark.
Besides, I have stopped speaking about what I have been talking about
because you show no respect and are obviously saying in the Spirit that what
I am saying is not worth listening to.
Okay then.
Michael Christ
Mark Earnest
"Michael Christ" <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote in message
You have plenty that is worth listening to, Michael!
I just refuse to worship you.
I'm sure you understand.
Test the spirits.
If the spirit confesses that Jesus is come in the flesh,
and that he is the commandant, then that spirit is true.
And it has to come from the heart, or it is not a true confession.
And in a way, we all know everything.
It just lies dormant in each us, until someone is able to draw it out.
Certain angels are actually quite good at that.
Randy ®
Michael Christ <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote:
> Besides, I have stopped speaking about what I have been talking about
> because you show no respect and are obviously saying in the Spirit that
> what I am saying is not worth listening to.
On the contrary. You're the one who doesn't respect what God said.
You: I have no sin.
God's word:
1 John 1:8 NASB
(8) If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves
and the truth is not in us.
Any questions?
--
Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
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> You: I have no sin.
I never said that.
You made it up.
Otherwise quote me.
Right here will do.....................................................
The truth is crisp and clean, Randy, but a deceiver is easily snared in his
deceit.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
Reread all my words to you...this time listen.
That's all I have for you.
Michael Christ
Randy ®
Michael Christ <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote:
> Randy wrote:
>> You: I have no sin.
[Notice, no quote marks. I did not claim those were his exact
words. Just trying to make it easy for everyone to follow along,
without going and digging up the verbatim quote, with article
references.]
> I never said that.
>
> You made it up.
>
> Otherwise quote me.
*sigh*...apparently you're going to go the obfuscation route...
See what happens when you try to make things simple, instead of
digging up the actual verbatim quote with article references?
*****************************************************************
NOTICE, ladies and gentlemen, Michael is challenging the idea he
said that, and is CALLING FOR A QUOTE. This kind of obfuscation,
right here, is WHY YOU HAVE TO GO DIG UP EXACT QUOTES AND ARTICLE
REFERENCES. Don't blame me, blame people who won't own up to
what they said.
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> "1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his
> seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of
> God."
Gabriel wrote:
> So are you claiming you have not sinned since being saved?
Michael Christ wrote:
> That is exactly what the verse is saying! It cannot be clearer!
> But you in your sin and looking through a glass darkly decides
that the
> verse says something else.Gabriel wrote:
Gabriel wrote:
> So are you claiming you have not sinned even once since being
> saved?
How on earth are you supposed to understand that answer being
blind??!!
If you say you are in Christ and sin, you are saying Jesus sins.
Since Jesus does not sin, you are not in Christ.
Just what part of this Bible verse do you not understand, Gabriel???
"1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his
seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of
God."
Please tell me. It is not going to do you any good trying to
judge me,
that is not your role.
A person that sins and says they are in Christ is declaring in
spiritual
places that Jesus is a sinner. How can anyone not understand that??
The problem with you and Randy, and God knows who else, is that
you lack
faith.
Michael Christ
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> Right here will do.....................................................
Now then, by your own claims here in this reference, are you
admitting you're not in Christ, or are you claiming you have no sin?
> The truth is crisp and clean, Randy, but a deceiver is easily snared in
> his deceit.
Precisely.
You: I have no sin
God: You are deceiving yourself and the truth is not in you (1
John 1:8).
Any questions?
> Michael Christ
Michael Christ
Randy wrote:
>>> You: I have no sin.
Never said it.
You also said this in your easy for everyone...ing......
Randy wrote:
>You're the one claiming you're without sin
Again, quote me.
................................................................................................................
Where???
Why you can never find it: Because it is not about sin, it is about giving
your life to the Lord Jesus or not.
Jesus died on the cross for a reason. You are not a believer, Randy, that
is what being buried in theology will do for you. Jesus found many of those
running around back then.
Randy wrote:
> [Notice, no quote marks. I did not claim those were his exact words.
> Just trying to make it easy for everyone to follow along, without going
> and digging up the verbatim quote, with article references.]
You, a constant quoter of 1 John1:8, assumed in your glory and then judged,
making it easy for everyone.
:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))).
Oh boy!!
You lied to try and establish what you say as truth.
A deceiver is easily snared in his deceit.
You translate me like you translate the bible.
Michael Christ
Randy ®
Michael Christ
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God's word showing Michael deceives himself and the truth is not
in him:
1 John 1:8 NIV
(8) If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the
truth is not in us.
Any questions?
Michael Christ
Truth is a alive and independent, not some remnant left over from something
else.
**You can't quote me**, you can only obfuscate and smoke screen to give an
impression you are righteous, while constantly quoting 1 John 1:8. :-).
Randy wrote:
>>> You: I have no sin.
Never said it.
You also said this in your easy for everyone...ing......
Randy wrote:
>You're the one claiming you're without sin
Again, quote me.
................................................................................................................
Where???
Why you can never find it: Because it is not about sin, it is about giving
your life to the Lord Jesus or not.
Jesus died on the cross for a reason. You are not a believer, Randy, that
is what being buried in theology will do for you. Jesus found many of those
running around back then.
Randy wrote:
> [Notice, no quote marks. I did not claim those were his exact words. Just
> trying to make it easy for everyone to follow along, without going and
> digging up the verbatim quote, with article references.]
You, a constant quoter of 1 John 1:8, assumed in your glory and then judged,
Michael Christ
condemning nature spirit of this world.
The whole world says, its your fault, its you, you're the one, you're the
reason things are not right. The Arabs say it is the Americans, the
Americans say it is the Arabs, black says it is white and white says it is
black and on and on and on and on and on and on.
Jesus says, no its you.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
"Diana" <shech...@reborn.com> wrote in message
news:7mtoaoF...@mid.individual.net...
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>
>
> "Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:kt-dnccEwKIV35TW...@giganews.com...
>> On Sun, 11/22/09, at 4:56:42AM,
>> Michael Christ <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Randy wrote:
>>>> You: I have no sin.
>>
>>
>> [Notice, no quote marks. I did not claim those were his exact words.
>> Just trying to make it
>> easy for everyone to follow along, without going and digging up the
>> verbatim quote, with
>> article references.]
>>
>>
>>> I never said that.
>>>
>>> You made it up.
>>>
>>> Otherwise quote me.
>>
>>
>> *sigh*...apparently you're going to go the obfuscation route...
>> See what happens when you try to make things simple, instead of digging
>> up the actual
>> verbatim quote with article references?
>>
>> *****************************************************************
>> NOTICE, ladies and gentlemen, Michael is challenging the idea he said
>> that, and is CALLING
>> FOR A QUOTE. This kind of obfuscation, right here, is WHY YOU HAVE TO GO
>> DIG UP EXACT QUOTES
>> AND ARTICLE REFERENCES. Don't blame me, blame people who won't own up to
>> what they said.
>> *****************************************************************
>>
>>
Diana wrote:
> What I noticed is you lied on Michael like you do everyone else. You said
> that he said "I have
> no sin" and he has told you NO he did not say that and for you to prove it
> and once again you
> fail to give the "honest" "real" proof that Michael said that.
Thank you Diana.
Simply put and very clear.
Michael Christ
::: Jesus is LORD :::
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>
>
>
> "Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:kt-dnccEwKIV35TW...@giganews.com...
>> On Sun, 11/22/09, at 4:56:42AM,
>> Michael Christ <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Randy wrote:
>>>> You: I have no sin.
>>
>>
>> [Notice, no quote marks. I did not claim those were his exact
>> words. Just trying to make it easy for everyone to follow along,
>> without going and digging up the verbatim quote, with article
>> references.]
>>> I never said that.
>>>
>>> You made it up.
>>>
>>> Otherwise quote me.
>>
>>
>> *sigh*...apparently you're going to go the obfuscation route...
>> See what happens when you try to make things simple, instead of
>> digging up the actual verbatim quote with article references?
>>
>> *****************************************************************
>> NOTICE, ladies and gentlemen, Michael is challenging the idea he
>> said that, and is CALLING FOR A QUOTE. This kind of obfuscation,
>> right here, is WHY YOU HAVE TO GO DIG UP EXACT QUOTES AND ARTICLE
>> REFERENCES. Don't blame me, blame people who won't own up to what
>> they said.
>> *****************************************************************
> said that he said "I have no sin" and he has told you NO he did not
> say that and for you to prove it and once again you fail to give the
> "honest" "real" proof that Michael said that.
But it is not Randy's fault that you are as stupid as you are, nor that
you are an attention seeking Spiritual whore. If you do not like my
words, I am so sorry. But people should be cleared up and warned about
you and that you defend any heretick around, attack the Christians who
regard the Bible as God's infallible Word, and have done so for years.
Mark Earnest
"Michael Christ" <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote in message
I'm not just going to listen, self appointed guru.
Conversation is a two way street.
Michael Christ
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>
>
> "Michael Christ" <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote in message
Diana wrote:
> You are welcome Michael. Randy has a way of twisting what others say to
> make it look like they
> said something they didn't. He operates as a deceiver. I have never once
> seen where you wrote what he accuses.
>
> Just like they are always on your back about your name. I don't know if
> "Christ" is your real last name or not but here is a link with 300 people
> having that last name so wonder if they want to condemn them too.
> http://tinyurl.com/ygh95m6
My newsgroup name Michael Christ was given to me by the Lord in
1998...sheesh, the time has gone fast. Nothing like having the family name
and being a vessel of the ministry. :-).
I think that I have said 'Jesus is Lord' and spoken of His glory so many
many times now that it is obvious who I worship. Still, if the accusers
don't find one thing they will find another...in their imperfection. :-).
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
" ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:hecm3f$mqo$1...@news.eternal-september.org...>> "Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:kt-dnccEwKIV35TW...@giganews.com...
>>> On Sun, 11/22/09, at 4:56:42AM,
>>> Michael Christ <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Randy wrote:
>>>>> You: I have no sin.
>>>
>>>
>>> [Notice, no quote marks. I did not claim those were his exact
>>> words. Just trying to make it easy for everyone to follow along,
>>> without going and digging up the verbatim quote, with article
>>> references.]
>>>> I never said that.
>>>>
>>>> You made it up.
>>>>
>>>> Otherwise quote me.
>>>
>>>
>>> *sigh*...apparently you're going to go the obfuscation route...
>>> See what happens when you try to make things simple, instead of
>>> digging up the actual verbatim quote with article references?
>>>
>>> *****************************************************************
>>> NOTICE, ladies and gentlemen, Michael is challenging the idea he
>>> said that, and is CALLING FOR A QUOTE. This kind of obfuscation,
>>> right here, is WHY YOU HAVE TO GO DIG UP EXACT QUOTES AND ARTICLE
>>> REFERENCES. Don't blame me, blame people who won't own up to what
>>> they said.
>>> *****************************************************************
Diana wrote:
>> What I noticed is you lied on Michael like you do everyone else. You
>> said that he said "I have no sin" and he has told you NO he did not
>> say that and for you to prove it and once again you fail to give the
>> "honest" "real" proof that Michael said that.
Vera wrote:
> But it is not Randy's fault that you are as stupid as you are, nor that
> you are an attention seeking Spiritual whore. If you do not like my words,
> I am so sorry. But people should be cleared up and warned about you and
> that you defend any heretick around, attack the Christians who regard the
> Bible as God's infallible Word, and have done so for years.
Vera, Diana merely stated the truth and you viciously slash at her with your
mouth that should be kissing me (on the cheek, that is)...at first.
Why?
You have to be perfect to call someone stupid (in other words, a fool) and a
spiritual whore before the Lord. If you are not perfect and say the things
you say, death is your future if you don't repent.
It is quite clear, all jokes aside.
And I don't want to lose you baby.
Michael Christ