Evil destroys itself...
Snow
destroy itself. John Milton said, “Better to reign in hell than serve
in heaven." The question begs, “Who reigns in hell?” because if
everybody wants to reign in hell, it seems you have a never ending
life of strife and for this reason the Messiah said:
Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This one does
not cast out demons except by Beʽelzebul, the ruler of the demons.”
Mat 12:25 And Yehoshua knew their thoughts, and said to them, “Every
reign divided against itself is laid waste, and every city or house
divided against itself shall not stand.
Mat 12:26 “And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against
himself. How then does his reign stand?
Mat 12:27 “And if I, by Beʽelzebul, do cast out demons, by whom do
your sons cast them out? Because of this they shall be your judges.
You sons will be your judge but here is another important
understanding, the reason that we should not judge other people is
that the moment we have passed our judgment on them, we are no longer
able to help them because to judge, means that you think you are
superior to that person and have the ability or authority to judge
them.
Now we all know that scriptures teach us not to judge:
Mat 7:2 “For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged. And
with the same measure you use, it shall be measured to you.
If it is truly our desire to help anybody then we must do so without
passing judgment on them, even when considering the most obnoxious
person.
When people go to psychologist, they label them, judge them and drug
them and never actually do them any service that helps them unless the
person can actually listen to them and offer practical advice.
Passing judgment on some people is exactly what they want and why they
look to push your buttons. We are in fact re-enforcing the negative
behavior by giving them the very negative response they desire in
“feeding the troll”.
Everybody has a motive but what we need to ask is, “What’s there
motive”? For some people, such as my self, my motive is to help other
people in the finding better solutions to the problems they face using
the teachings of scriptures. Some people that post seek out negative
energy and they feed off of that negativity because .. this is is
important to understand is that they have low self esteem and problems
in their life and they are looking for something to blame, somebody to
judge.
When we blame other people for whatever negative trait, we are passing
out judgment and so, while you see some people follow my posting with
calls of “antichrist” and immature name calling, like “snowjob”, they
are simply demonstrating they are troubled people.
In 2010, we have the greatest potential for making positive change in
the world and to reaching out to people to help them but to do this,
we must avoid the pitfalls of passing out own judgments or allowing
the antagonist the authority to interrupt your positive work.
The antagonist has no authority that you do not grant them, so simply
do not grant them any authority. They do not need to be attacked or
corrected, simply ignored.
Mat 15:13 But He answering, said, “Every plant which My heavenly
Father has not planted shall be uprooted.
Mat 15:14 “Leave them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And
if the blind leads the blind, both shall fall into a ditch.”
If people choose to follow after the negative behavior patterns, that
is their choice in life and they will all fall into the same ditch of
their own making. We must learn to stop rewarding the negative
behavior, refuse the violent response by training it out of our
toolbox of responses. We become the very thing we practice.
Mat 6:22 “The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is
good, all your body shall be enlightened. 23 “But if your eye is
evil, all your body shall be darkened. If, then, the light that is
within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
Put your focus on the light, forget about the darkness and start to
realize the potential of your beliefs.
Do you have a problem? I wonder if somebody would follow this up by
telling me what is wrong and see if a solution comes from talking
about it… but if you take anything away from this I hope you learn to
count your blessings and stop dwelling on what you don’t have.
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
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For true love is inexhaustible; the more you give, the more you have.
And if you go to draw at the true fountainhead, the more water you
draw, the more abundant is its flow.
Antoine de Saint-Exupery
A test of a people is how it behaves toward the old. It is easy to
love children. Even tyrants and dictators make a point of being fond
of children. But the affection and care for the old, the incurable,
the helpless are the true gold mines of a culture.
Abraham Joshua Heschel
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Snow
> Good post, Snow.
>
> A while ago, I seconded your resolution to end participation in violent
> media, including gaming, videos, music, etc.
>
> I now propose these resolutions, which I will do my best to keep in 2010:
>
> I will leave more shalom than I find.
>
> I will be quiet more often.
>
> I will be correctable and corrected..
>
> I will use salt in my speech, online and off..
>
> I will be only as blunt as YHWH's truth demands.
>
> I will be twice as mild as my nature leads me to be.
>
> Shalom ve shana tovah!
>
> Jochanan/John.
Joh 16:22 “And you, therefore, have grief now, but I shall see you
again and your heart shall rejoice, and no one takes your joy away
from you.
I just wish I would have proofed it before I posted and corrected the
errors but thank you brother.. have a great 2010. Nobody can take
your joy from you that you haven't granted the authority to do so...
something to remember.
Snow
> Snow wrote:
> > I want to let you in on something missed by most people, evil will
> > destroy itself.
>
> you, and that is proof enough that this theory is wrong.
>
> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...@netfront.net ---
“Be thou the rainbow in the storms of life. The evening beam that
smiles the clouds away, and tints tomorrow with prophetic ray.”
Lord Byron
I respect that you disagree my friend and I still love you for the
person that you are but you have to realize something.. She is not
insulting me because I have no granted her the authority to do so. To
put this in perspective...
The insane person shouting on the street corner that you are going to
hell because you are a sinner, have they actually defined you
brother? We see it everyday with the lost nation of Christians
posting “the heresy of…” but have they defined you?
I see you posting and you’re a good person, you seek justice and even
if you don’t believe what I do, you still seek what is right in this
world and at some level, you do have some type of faith. Now, I do
not judge you because I care about you and I want to help you and in
return, you help me, is this not the very brotherly love our Messiah
spoke of?
Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
persecuting you, 45 so that you become sons of your Father in the
heavens. Because He makes His sun rise on the wicked and on the good,
and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous.
What these people think, is just that and nothing more and it wouldn’t
matter if there were 10,000 of them who all shared the same mind virus
because what they are doing is simply demonstrating the lack of faith
that they possess and own up to by passing judgment. Remember, their
judgment of me does not define me unless I allow it to and they have
only the authority that I grant them. If I do not grant them the
authority to judge me it is because I recognize this truth:
Jas 4:11 Brothers, do not speak against one another. He that speaks
against a brother and judges his brother, speaks against Torah and
judges Torah. And if you judge Torah, you are not a doer of Torah but
a judge.
The fact that people speak against me only weakens them and
strengthens me because where their focus goes, their energy flows and
I am mastering my own positive energy by ignoring them as my Messiah
taught, while they are demonstrating that they are completely unable
to follow even the most basic teachings of the Torah… which even you
are doing very well at.. so don’t sell yourself short and start to see
that the potential for greatness is in you too Rod, I see it in you
and must say that the light shines brightly in you, when you allow it
too. Embrace that light, that love and that joy and know that what
other people say, really isn’t important at all.
The crazy homeless guy on the corner ranting “blasphemy” to every
stranger walking by has no authority unless of course you believe him…
So, why would you argue with him? It makes no sense… Wouldn’t you
just continue to drive past and tell that special somebody you love,
“Boy, that guy was crazy” and have a good giggle…
Mat 25:23 “His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and trustworthy
servant. You were trustworthy over a little, I shall set you over
much. Enter into the joy of your master.’
It’s the little things we must make our practice because we become
what we do on a regular bases.. I have no desire to become like any of
the negative, hate filled people that are posting around here and so,
I set myself apart from the pack and stay in focus on what is true,
loving and kind. You would be well served doing the same and you will
find it has a very positive impact on your life on a whole my dear
friend. This is your year to shine Rod.
Mat 5:14 “You are the light of the world. It is impossible for a city
to be hidden on a mountain.
Linda Lee
> On Jan 1, 9:29 am, Rod <mephi...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> > Snow wrote:
> > > I want to let you in on something missed by most people, evil will
> > > destroy itself.
>
> > I have to disagree on this. Linda Lee is still insulting
> > you, and that is proof enough that this theory is wrong.
>
> > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...@netfront.net ---
>
> “Be thou the rainbow in the storms of life. The evening beam that
> smiles the clouds away, and tints tomorrow with prophetic ray.”
> Lord Byron
>
> I respect that you disagree my friend and I still love you for the
> person that you are but you have to realize something.. She is not
> insulting me because I have no granted her the authority to do so. To
> put this in perspective...
>
> The insane person shouting on the street corner that you are going to
> hell because you are a sinner, have they actually defined you
> brother?
He defines himself with his insane judgments that God is "psychotic".
That he will go to hell if he continues to reject Christ as God is a
given in Christ's teachings.
But then you have said you don't 'believe in hell'; it's one of those
things you reject about Christ's teachings. That is why you ignorantly
ask 'Do we need a saviour?'.
The Messiah said in Matt. 10:28, "fear not them which kill the body,
but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able
to destroy both soul and body in hell".
> We see it everyday with the lost nation of Christians
> posting “the heresy of…” but have they defined you?
>
> I see you posting and you’re a good person, you seek justice
He is a person given to profanity and claims that God is "psychotic"
and that all Christians are evil. No wonder that you would approve of
that state as being good and just.
>and even
> if you don’t believe what I do, you still seek what is right in this
> world and at some level, you do have some type of faith.
Why lie that he has "some type of faith" when he has repeatedly told
you he doesn't and that he rejects all religion? Likely because his
disbelieving state reflects on yourself.
> Now, I do
> not judge you because I care about you and I want to help you and in
> return, you help me, is this not the very brotherly love our Messiah
> spoke of?
No it is not "brotherly love". Your understanding of "brotherly love"
is as twisted as all of your interpretations of the teachings of the
Messiah. You've said he 'helps' you by spewing profanity at me, such
as "rotten whore", for which you commended him as helping you with a
difficult problem (criticism of your hypocrisy from me).
That is not brotherly love or any type of love. That is two warped
individuals (one who labels God as "psychotic" and both of whom deny
Christ) who like to pretend they are righteous by supporting each
others' evil behavior.
If you truly had any brotherly love for your "buddy", you would not
encourage his rejection of God nor his evil behavior by pretending
that he is just and full of "light" and that neither of you are
judgmental or unloving. At present, your behavior reveals you are God-
haters/Christ-haters who like to pretend you are moral while you are
in the process of attacking people, whose targets are always
Christians.
You are guilty of his sin and responsible for his fate because your
false teachings and hypocrisy encourage it, and you use him to your
own ends. It is no wonder you've recently confessed that yours' is a
"dysfunctional life".
THIS is 'brotherly love': Both of you should turn from your evil
hypocritical ways, and repent, and turn to Christ so that you don't
wind up being destroyed, body and spirit, in Hell. While you live,
there is still time, but no one knows when that will change, and you
will have relinquished your chance to repent and be saved.
Job 27:8 says, "For what is the hope of the hypocrite, though he hath
gained, when God taketh away his soul?"
<Snip the rest of Snowjob's hypocritical hateful judgments of others,
false presentation of himself as nonjudgmental, true, loving, and
kind, and his lies about his "buddy". LOL!>
Snow
> has something in common with this is only incidental. I'm not in the
> way of believing that the human race needs a redeemer, since those we
> do transgress against are ourselves or other life forms, not a god.
>
> From my POV, allegiance to a god is allegiance to slavery and
> barbarism: no one wills himself to be the property of another
> unless he is desperate to spare a life, whether it is his own
> or that of another.
>
> But alas, there is no evidence of a god, not even evidence of his
> fabled hell. Just a tale to frighten the naive and weak among humans.
>
>
>
> > Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
> > you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
> > persecuting you, 45 so that you become sons of your Father in the
> > heavens. Because He makes His sun rise on the wicked and on the good,
> > and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous.
>
> > What these people think, is just that and nothing more
>
> capabilities. Christians for example, create their own reality,
> forcing it to conform to their "programming". They are told that
> god exists and they will be destroyed painfully if they do not
> love, obey and serve him. So they mold their world and behavior
> patterns to reflect obedience to his will, without ever requiring
> evidence that it is true. Why ? They consider 1900 year old parchments
> as evidence of his existence, yet they do not question the accuracy
> and truthfulness, of their parchment treasures, YET they DO question
> the accuracy and truthfulness of Gnostic parchments that may be as
> much as a century OLDER than their own.
>
> I have an idea what is behind it when many government officials
> verbally support this kind of thinking in public while off duty..
>
>
>
> > and it wouldn’t
> > matter if there were 10,000 of them who all shared the same mind virus
> > because what they are doing is simply demonstrating the lack of faith
> > that they possess and own up to by passing judgment. Remember, their
> > judgment of me does not define me unless I allow it to and they have
> > only the authority that I grant them. If I do not grant them the
> > authority to judge me it is because I recognize this truth:
>
> > Jas 4:11 Brothers, do not speak against one another. He that speaks
> > against a brother and judges his brother, speaks against Torah and
> > judges Torah. And if you judge Torah, you are not a doer of Torah but
> > a judge.
>
> > The fact that people speak against me only weakens them and
> > strengthens me because where their focus goes, their energy flows and
> > I am mastering my own positive energy by ignoring them as my Messiah
> > taught, while they are demonstrating that they are completely unable
> > to follow even the most basic teachings of the Torah… which even you
> > are doing very well at.. so don’t sell yourself short and start to see
> > that the potential for greatness is in you too Rod,
>
> his and other species. For instance, I'm a supporter of animal
> rights; I love animals of all kinds, though I dislike the predator
> species.
>
> > I see it in you
> > and must say that the light shines brightly in you, when you allow it
> > too. Embrace that light, that love and that joy and know that what
> > other people say, really isn’t important at all.
>
> we know it when we come across it ? Only if we have a clear head
> and realize that even the simplest forms of life are not able to
> design their own DNA. Just as plant life does, humans and animals
> follow a path of evolution of their species.
>
>
>
> > The crazy homeless guy on the corner ranting “blasphemy” to every
> > stranger walking by has no authority unless of course you believe him…
>
> conservative hippie with a message. I met him back in the mid
> 1980's after he had just got stopped and ticketed for speeding
> on I-35 north just outside of Blackwell, Oklahoma, doing 173
> mph in a 65 mph zone. He was driving a Lambrogini. He came into
> the truck stop for fuel, fuming and faunching about the ticket
> and the hipo that gave it to him. I talked with him for nearly
> an hour over coffee in the cafe, then he left. He made it back
> to town two weeks later for the court date, paid his fine and
> stopped by my house and spent most of the day. I've seen the guy
> 3 times since, but I get a christmas card from him every year.
>
> He never forgets the friends he has made...a credit to humanity
> even if he still hunts animals.
>
> > So, why would you argue with him? It makes no sense… Wouldn’t you
> > just continue to drive past and tell that special somebody you love,
> > “Boy, that guy was crazy” and have a good giggle…
>
Let me put it to you in language you can understand Rod, I can't
afford to WASTE my life on SHIT. Spending my time arguing with people
that don't matter to me and have no bearing on me is pointless. My
experience has shown me that engaging people over "what they believe"
is a pointless argument and we are better served simply talking about
real world solutions that actually help people.
I respect what you believe and you have shown an element of respect
for my belief and we have become friends, this is what I choose to
focus on... helping each other by sharing our beliefs or sharing what
we can both believe:) The goal is not to change you, it's to help
both of us change our lives for the better.
In conclusion, if these thoughts help you in any way, I’d like to ask
that you join our public forum at:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
A public forum for those who believe.
Shalom,
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Be thou the rainbow in the storms of life. The evening beam that
smiles the clouds away, and tints tomorrow with prophetic ray.
Lord Byron
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Linda Lee
>
>
> Let me put it to you in language you can understand Rod, I can't
> afford to WASTE my life on SHIT. Spending my time arguing with people
> that don't matter to me and have no bearing on me is pointless. My
> experience has shown me that engaging people over "what they believe"
> is a pointless argument
Plus the fact that he can't support ANY of his anti-christ allegations
that Christ was only one of many sons of God and no different than any
other person who believes in God.
So instead of debating (the purpose of this newsgroup), he ignores all
evidence to the contrary from the Hebrew Scriptures and New Testament
Scriptures and continues on preaching his brand of eternal confusion
(always calling it "something missed by most people" as if he's some
prodigy, and claiming that it's going to cause a stir all over the
Internet), which grows more twisted every day. Or else he just calls
names and attacks all Christians as immoral thereby claiming Christ
has no real followers. It is all, at heart, simply the anti-Christ
spirit.
Rod
> On Jan 2, 2:09 am, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>>
>> Let me put it to you in language you can understand Rod, I can't
>> afford to WASTE my life on SHIT. Spending my time arguing with people
>> that don't matter to me and have no bearing on me is pointless. My
>> experience has shown me that engaging people over "what they believe"
>> is a pointless argument
>
>
> Plus the fact that he can't support ANY of his anti-christ allegations
> that Christ was only one of many sons of God and no different than any
> other person who believes in God.
>
> So instead of debating (the purpose of this newsgroup), he ignores all
> evidence to the contrary from the Hebrew Scriptures and New Testament
> Scriptures and continues on preaching his brand of eternal confusion
> (always calling it "something missed by most people" as if he's some
> prodigy, and claiming that it's going to cause a stir all over the
> Internet), which grows more twisted every day.
Linda, the reason that the bible isn't considered evidence is that
very little of it's content can be verified thru outside sources, and
as such we have no way of knowing if the scriptures contained within
it are the authentic scriptures that so many claim that Christ and god
were responsible for issuing. You actually have no evidence that the
Christ existed at all, though there is historical evidence that Yeshu
existed, which is provided in the Talmud.
> Or else he just calls
> names and attacks all Christians as immoral thereby claiming Christ
> has no real followers. It is all, at heart, simply the anti-Christ
> spirit.
Linda, from my heart to yours, I am very sorry that you are hurt,
and I would heal you if I were able, but I am not.
Rod
> On Jan 2, 4:26 am, Rod <mephi...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> Snow wrote:
>>> On Jan 1, 9:29 am, Rod <mephi...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>> Snow wrote:
>>>>> I want to let you in on something missed by most people, evil will
>>>>> destroy itself.
>>>> I have to disagree on this. Linda Lee is still insulting
>>>> you, and that is proof enough that this theory is wrong.
>>>> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...@netfront.net ---
>>> smiles the clouds away, and tints tomorrow with prophetic ray.�
>>> Lord Byron
>>> I respect that you disagree my friend and I still love you for the
>>> person that you are but you have to realize something.. She is not
>>> insulting me because I have no granted her the authority to do so. To
>>> put this in perspective...
>>> The insane person shouting on the street corner that you are going to
>>> hell because you are a sinner, have they actually defined you
>>> brother? We see it everyday with the lost nation of Christians
>>> I see you posting and you�re a good person, you seek justice and even
>>> if you don�t believe what I do, you still seek what is right in this
>>> world and at some level, you do have some type of faith. Now, I do
>>> not judge you because I care about you and I want to help you and in
>>> return, you help me, is this not the very brotherly love our Messiah
>>> spoke of?
>> It's the love of one person for his species. The fact that the messiah
>> has something in common with this is only incidental. I'm not in the
>> way of believing that the human race needs a redeemer, since those we
>> do transgress against are ourselves or other life forms, not a god.
>>
>> From my POV, allegiance to a god is allegiance to slavery and
>> barbarism: no one wills himself to be the property of another
>> unless he is desperate to spare a life, whether it is his own
>> or that of another.
>>
>> But alas, there is no evidence of a god, not even evidence of his
>> fabled hell. Just a tale to frighten the naive and weak among humans.
>>
>>
>>
>>> you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
>>> persecuting you, 45 so that you become sons of your Father in the
>>> heavens. Because He makes His sun rise on the wicked and on the good,
>>> and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous.
>>> What these people think, is just that and nothing more
>> This is true to within the natural limits of the human minds
>> capabilities. Christians for example, create their own reality,
>> forcing it to conform to their "programming". They are told that
>> god exists and they will be destroyed painfully if they do not
>> love, obey and serve him. So they mold their world and behavior
>> patterns to reflect obedience to his will, without ever requiring
>> evidence that it is true. Why ? They consider 1900 year old parchments
>> as evidence of his existence, yet they do not question the accuracy
>> and truthfulness, of their parchment treasures, YET they DO question
>> the accuracy and truthfulness of Gnostic parchments that may be as
>> much as a century OLDER than their own.
>>
>> I have an idea what is behind it when many government officials
>> verbally support this kind of thinking in public while off duty..
>>
>>
>>
>>> matter if there were 10,000 of them who all shared the same mind virus
>>> because what they are doing is simply demonstrating the lack of faith
>>> that they possess and own up to by passing judgment. Remember, their
>>> judgment of me does not define me unless I allow it to and they have
>>> only the authority that I grant them. If I do not grant them the
>>> authority to judge me it is because I recognize this truth:
>>> Jas 4:11 Brothers, do not speak against one another. He that speaks
>>> against a brother and judges his brother, speaks against Torah and
>>> judges Torah. And if you judge Torah, you are not a doer of Torah but
>>> a judge.
>>> The fact that people speak against me only weakens them and
>>> strengthens me because where their focus goes, their energy flows and
>>> I am mastering my own positive energy by ignoring them as my Messiah
>>> taught, while they are demonstrating that they are completely unable
>>> are doing very well at.. so don�t sell yourself short and start to see
>>> that the potential for greatness is in you too Rod,
>> A person should follow what he knows to be in the best interests of
>> his and other species. For instance, I'm a supporter of animal
>> rights; I love animals of all kinds, though I dislike the predator
>> species.
>>
>>> I see it in you
>>> and must say that the light shines brightly in you, when you allow it
>>> too. Embrace that light, that love and that joy and know that what
>> Where would one begin to search for evidence of a creator ? Would
>> we know it when we come across it ? Only if we have a clear head
>> and realize that even the simplest forms of life are not able to
>> design their own DNA. Just as plant life does, humans and animals
>> follow a path of evolution of their species.
>>
>>
>>
>>> stranger walking by has no authority unless of course you believe him�
>> I know a guy like this. He is a guitar picking, gun toting
>> conservative hippie with a message. I met him back in the mid
>> 1980's after he had just got stopped and ticketed for speeding
>> on I-35 north just outside of Blackwell, Oklahoma, doing 173
>> mph in a 65 mph zone. He was driving a Lambrogini. He came into
>> the truck stop for fuel, fuming and faunching about the ticket
>> and the hipo that gave it to him. I talked with him for nearly
>> an hour over coffee in the cafe, then he left. He made it back
>> to town two weeks later for the court date, paid his fine and
>> stopped by my house and spent most of the day. I've seen the guy
>> 3 times since, but I get a christmas card from him every year.
>>
>> He never forgets the friends he has made...a credit to humanity
>> even if he still hunts animals.
>>
>>> just continue to drive past and tell that special somebody you love,
>> No...turns out he isn't so crazy after all
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> servant. You were trustworthy over a little, I shall set you over
>>> It�s the little things we must make our practice because we become
>>> what we do on a regular bases.. I have no desire to become like any of
>>> the negative, hate filled people that are posting around here and so,
>>> I set myself apart from the pack and stay in focus on what is true,
>>> loving and kind. You would be well served doing the same and you will
>>> find it has a very positive impact on your life on a whole my dear
>>> friend. This is your year to shine Rod.
>>> to be hidden on a mountain.
>>> Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
>>> Shalom,
>>> *��)
>>> �.�� �.�*��) �.�*�)
>>> (�.�� (�.� (Snow(.�.�*��)
>>> For true love is inexhaustible; the more you give, the more you have.
>>> And if you go to draw at the true fountainhead, the more water you
>>> draw, the more abundant is its flow.
>>> Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>>> A test of a people is how it behaves toward the old. It is easy to
>>> love children. Even tyrants and dictators make a point of being fond
>>> of children. But the affection and care for the old, the incurable,
>>> the helpless are the true gold mines of a culture.
>>> Abraham Joshua Heschel
>>> Respond directly:
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
>>> http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download scriptures free
>>> http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/RNKJV.zip
>>> Restored Names King James for E-sword
>> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...@netfront.net ---
>
> Let me put it to you in language you can understand Rod, I can't
> afford to WASTE my life on SHIT. Spending my time arguing with people
> that don't matter to me and have no bearing on me is pointless.
Bull...you KNOW you care about her! This is anger talking. Every life
matters, and if you truly believe in your god then you know he will want
you to do your dead level best to help them. You can care for a person
simply by staying away from them and allow them to make their own
mistakes, at least stopping them short of harming themselves.
> My
> experience has shown me that engaging people over "what they believe"
> is a pointless argument and we are better served simply talking about
> real world solutions that actually help people.
And what if that solution means the only route left is to correct
that persons faulty beliefs ? What then ? Hands off ? Let them go
down the tubes ? What is one life among many ? No..this dog can't
hunt.
>
> I respect what you believe and you have shown an element of respect
> for my belief and we have become friends, this is what I choose to
> focus on... helping each other by sharing our beliefs or sharing what
> we can both believe:) The goal is not to change you, it's to help
> both of us change our lives for the better.
>
> In conclusion, if these thoughts help you in any way, I�d like to ask
> that you join our public forum at:
Aren't you afraid that the little atheist will corrupt your
views ?
I'll come with the understanding that at anytime you don't care
for my POV you'll tell me, at which time my participation will
be pointless...
Agreed ?
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
> A public forum for those who believe.
>
> Shalom,
> *��)
> �.�� �.�*��) �.�*�)
> (�.�� (�.� (Snow(.�.�*��)
Snow
> > Let me put it to you in language you can understand Rod, I can't
> > afford to WASTE my life on SHIT. Spending my time arguing with people
> > that don't matter to me and have no bearing on me is pointless.
>
> Bull...you KNOW you care about her! This is anger talking. Every life
> matters, and if you truly believe in your god then you know he will want
> you to do your dead level best to help them.
I'll disagree. I did (past tense) my best to help and in the end it
was vanity to speak to her and served nothing but to make me angry and
to make me hate her.. the best thing for me is follow my own
scriptures:
Isa 55:7 Let the wrong forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his
thoughts.
> You can care for a person
> simply by staying away from them and allow them to make their own
> mistakes, at least stopping them short of harming themselves.
True and so.. isn't it more caring to allow her to rant and simply
ignore her from my perspective..
> > My
> > experience has shown me that engaging people over "what they believe"
> > is a pointless argument and we are better served simply talking about
> > real world solutions that actually help people.
>
> And what if that solution means the only route left is to correct
> that persons faulty beliefs ? What then ? Hands off ? Let them go
> down the tubes ?
In life, you are given choices.. You can lead the horse to water but
you can't make it drink my friend and this is true in all things. She
can rant all day but she will not convert me and I will not convert
you and you will not convert me... we all have different views and the
best thing for all of us is to respect that as I respect you.
> What is one life among many ? No..this dog can't
> hunt.
Who said anybody was going to die? I believe in a Creator that is
just and loves his creation.. he is compassionate and to think anybody
is condemned is simply my judgment.. that means nothing. The reality
is that I don't know... I have a promise and I live by that promise.
Isa 45:4 ‘For the sake of Yaʽaqoḇ My servant, and of Yisra’ĕl My
chosen, I also call you by your name, I give you a title, though you
have not known Me.
I do not "KNOW" YAHWEH but my deity knows me:)
Joh 8:55 “And you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I
do not know Him,’ I shall be like you, a liar. But I do know Him and I
guard His Word.
I know his son and he called me brother:)
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Respond directly:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
The heart of another is a dark forest, always, no matter how close it
has been to one's own.
Willa Cather
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation,
nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mohandas Gandhi
Rod
>
> In life, you are given choices.. You can lead the horse to water but
> you can't make it drink my friend and this is true in all things. She
> can rant all day but she will not convert me and I will not convert
> you
We had better stop here and take a closer look at this. What would
convert me ? Evidence would do that. What would evidence of god look
like ? Logic...logic that doesn't fit in the box, but fits outside the
box. A box doesn't make itself, nor does logic create itself. An
external force has to act upon it. IF god EXISTS, there is evidence of
it somewhere. So the question begs, if so, is it worth searching for ?
Isn't the truth the beginning of understanding ?
Linda Lee
> On Jan 3, 1:38 am, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Let me put it to you in language you can understand Rod, I can't
> > > afford to WASTE my life on SHIT. Spending my time arguing with people
> > > that don't matter to me and have no bearing on me is pointless.
>
> > Bull...you KNOW you care about her! This is anger talking. Every life
> > matters, and if you truly believe in your god then you know he will want
> > you to do your dead level best to help them.
>
> I'll disagree. I did (past tense) my best to help and in the end it
> was vanity to speak to her and served nothing but to make me angry and
> to make me hate her..
How ironic, considering the title of this thread. (He'd better watch
out, his evil will destroy him.) There is the difference between me
and him; he hates.
I don't hate him no matter how poorly and dishonestly he acts or how
horrible he is at interpreting the Scriptures.
Am I seeing a pattern here? He hates what he cannot control. He used
to say he hated Debra, who also pointed out his hypocritical ways, and
whom he couldn't sway to his belief system no matter how many filthy
names he called her (his belief system at that time was he believed
Christ had been God), and now he can't sway my belief system (and I
still believe Christ was God).
Linda Lee
Not much has changed in almost two years:
On Mar 3 [2008], 8:33 pm, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au>
wrote:
> On Mar 4, 1:58 pm, Debra <the2goldilo...@aol.com> wrote:
> But the fact still remains that you aren't going to because your goal
> is to drive people insane. You want people to verbally abuse you
> whore. You know your an evil person and you want me to confirm it.
> I'm telling you that your a wicked seed that refuses to stop stalking
> people. You like abuse and thats why you married an abusive husband
> and you stalk people until they do abuse you.
Are you saying you are an abusive man...Interesting.
Debra - http://groups.google.com/group/alt.messianic/msg/df7f770c7bac7868
On Mar 5, 6:13 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
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> On Mar 5, 6:02 pm, Linda Lee <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
> > Abusive people abuse people. Period. You also had the choice to walk
> > away.
> I initiated this thread in the hopes of helping Debra. She's the one
> who thinks it's alright to go around asking on the internet about
> peoples personal life. At this stage, I don't even know why your
> still posting to me.
> Take care and follow your own advice, walk away.
> Shalom,
> Snow
> Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains to bring it to
> light.
> George Washington
LOL. I like your quote and have decided to act on it and take the
pains to see the truth is brought to light.
Why am I still posting to you? Because you're being dishonest. You
claim that you initiated this thread (allegedly) for the purpose of
'helping' Debra. But when she responded to you in this thread you said
you were opening especially for her, you accused her of stalking you
again (??!!), and called her a whore half a dozen times. Do you really
expect people to fall for your claim that you were 'helping'? You
arranged for her to post to you, and when she did, you attacked and
attacked. Do you really expect people to believe you're innocently
being 'stalked'? Not believable. You're being extremely dishonest,
manipulative, and abusive.
"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people
all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time'. -
Abraham Lincoln - http://groups.google.com/group/alt.messianic/msg/d4022accab520c57
Rod
I hope you're able to work this out. I'm going back to
my painting.
Snow
Somethings you have to find for yourself Rod.:)
Snow
> I hope you're able to work this out. I'm going back to
> my painting.
That's a good way to be... What are you painting and with what medium?
Rod
Acrylic on canvas. I'm getting my submissions ready for the "Taped
Mouth" exhibit in Wichita Kansas January 23. I've done my preliminaries
on computer using Paintshop pro 7 and Photoshop 7, and putting them on
canvas.
Snow
Hope you can share it with me too.. make it beautiful.. inspire men to
great things.. be great.
Professor Keating of “Dead Poets Society” said,
“Here it? (students whispering around him)
Carpe. Carpe Diem. Seize the day boys,
make your lives extraordinary."
Rod
> On Jan 3, 2:24 pm, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Snow wrote:
>>> On Jan 3, 1:20 pm, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> I hope you're able to work this out. I'm going back to
>>>> my painting.
>>> That's a good way to be... What are you painting and with what medium?
>> Acrylic on canvas. I'm getting my submissions ready for the "Taped
>> Mouth" exhibit in Wichita Kansas January 23. I've done my preliminaries
>> on computer using Paintshop pro 7 and Photoshop 7, and putting them on
>> canvas.
>
> Hope you can share it with me too.. make it beautiful.. inspire men to
> great things.. be great.
>
> �Here it? (students whispering around him)
> Carpe. Carpe Diem. Seize the day boys,
> make your lives extraordinary."
I'll put up a link to a gallery after I have it set up. It may
take a couple of days to get it set up.
Linda Lee
>
> > > Let me put it to you in language you can understand Rod, I can't
> > > afford to WASTE my life on SHIT. Spending my time arguing with people
> > > that don't matter to me and have no bearing on me is pointless.
>
> > Bull...you KNOW you care about her! This is anger talking. Every life
> > matters, and if you truly believe in your god then you know he will want
> > you to do your dead level best to help them.
>
> I'll disagree. I did (past tense) my best to help and in the end it
> was vanity to speak to her and served nothing but to make me angry and
> to make me hate her..
I wonder what he hates more? My belief that the Messiah was God, or
my pointing out his incessant hypocrisies and his rejection of both
the Hebrew Scriptures and the New Testament Scriptures that tell us
the Son of God was unique among the sons of God, was in fact God
Himself as our only Saviour, and that we must accept the Son of God or
else we do not have the Father?
And Snowjob can quit pretending he follows the teachings of the
Messiah since he can't resist public professions of his hatred towards
those he's decided to make his enemy.
Matt. 5:44 Yahashua` the Messiah said, "But I say unto you, Love your
enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and
pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you".
And here is my love, blessings, and prayer in order for me to do good
to he who hates me:
John 14:9 says, "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with
you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath
seen the Father".
John 14:6 says, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me".
1 John 2:22 says, "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the
Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son".
1 John 2:23 says, "Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the
Father".
2 John 1:9 says, "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the
doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of
Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son".
John 5:23 Yahashua` the Messiah said, "That all men should honour
[revere] the Son, even as they honour [revere] the Father. He that
honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him".
Here "the LORD" is saying people will know the "LORD of hosts" has
"sent" him to us (in other words, we will know that Messiah is God as
the Saviour):
Zec. 2:10 says, "Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I
come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD. And many
nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my
people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know
that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee".
Psa. 2:11-12 says, "Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with
trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way,
when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put
their trust in him".
Perhaps he can't help himself, as it may not the Father's will that he
should be saved in the Day of Judgment, and so the Father does not
draw him to the Son:
In John 6:44 Yahashua` the Messiah says, "No man can come to me,
except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up
at the last day."
Snow
> Snow wrote:
> > On Jan 3, 2:24 pm, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Snow wrote:
> >>> On Jan 3, 1:20 pm, Rod <spa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> I hope you're able to work this out. I'm going back to
> >>>> my painting.
> >>> That's a good way to be... What are you painting and with what medium?
> >> Acrylic on canvas. I'm getting my submissions ready for the "Taped
> >> Mouth" exhibit in Wichita Kansas January 23. I've done my preliminaries
> >> on computer using Paintshop pro 7 and Photoshop 7, and putting them on
> >> canvas.
>
> > Hope you can share it with me too.. make it beautiful.. inspire men to
> > great things.. be great.
>
> > “Here it? (students whispering around him)
> > Carpe. Carpe Diem. Seize the day boys,
> > make your lives extraordinary."
>
> I'll put up a link to a gallery after I have it set up. It may
> take a couple of days to get it set up.
Sounds good Rod... Look forward to it..
Snow
different results. “
Albert Einstein
I think that people might find it interesting that we can learn a lot
from stalkers, web trolls and spammers. Many people on usenet have
discovered a deep truth by the collective of these people that have an
insane need to attack other people… It is insanity to post the same
messages to people expecting different results and I have to admit, at
times I’ve been guilty of that same insanity but I’m learning from it
an important truth:
“Where Focus goes, energy flows”
To me, if religion isn’t helping other people work out problems, its
just vanity being shouted from the pulpit. In Hebrew religion and the
religion of the Messiah, the FOCUS was on the spirit YAHWEH, on belief
and on helping others though healing and teachings.
Denis Waitley says, “Don't dwell on what went wrong. Instead, focus on
what to do next. Spend your energies on moving forward toward finding
the answer.”
I believe in explaining the same principle in several different ways
and by doing this, it’s my hope that the real life examples I speak
about help the reader to know how to apply these basic principles in
their own life.
Finding a different way to communicate the same message is something
that I work on developing. If we consider the patters of the person
attacking another person’s point of view, we come to realize that we
empower the very things we are against but I didn’t always understand
this notion until I got into a spam war with other users.
People would tell me, “don’t feed the troll” and I didn’t listen to
them because I didn’t consider the principle (“where focus goes”) but
the more I posted to the threads of those people I considered insane,
the more their threads stayed at the top of the board… I posted a
response and the link to his message went straight back to the top
where some other person would tell me, “if you stop posting to him he
will go away”.
Henry Rollins said, “To hate is to show you still care, who needs
that, focus on what's really important.”
Mat 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those cursing
you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those insulting you and
persecuting you,
Positive action does not come about by negative contemplation. We
can’t bring about world peace by going to war or thinking combat is a
solution to anything. War must be thought of as a mental illness that
is not an option. Instead of attacking population centers, simply cut
off the heads of state that promote this agenda.
We are not going to find solutions to world poverty, hunger or
environmental destruction by focusing on the problems; we must find a
better solution to them. I can throw a barrel of money and food at
the starving poor people but until they are taught how to provide for
themselves, I haven’t done them any favors except reward apathy like a
welfare system does.
Rod Blagojevich says, “A successful economic development strategy must
focus on improving the skills of the area's workforce, reducing the
cost of doing business and making available the resources business
needs to compete and thrive in today's global economy.” Notice that
he doesn’t talk about what people don’t have? Anything successful
must focus on the resources already available and making use of what
we have and improving that. Finally, we do not teach the Good News by
focusing on false ministry and attacking everybody else’s belief and
it’s for this reason the Messiah taught:
Mat 10:13 “And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it.
But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.” 14 “And
whoever does not receive you nor hear your words, when you leave that
house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.”
You are either part of the problem or part of the solution and the
axiom that says, “Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach a man
to fish, feed him for life”… Let’s make some fishermen and provide
some solutions.
The question is, who has the best solution and who has problems? I
always think that what brings out the best in people is competition.
Do you have a problem? I wonder if somebody would follow this up by
telling me what is wrong and see if a solution comes from talking
about it… but if you take anything away from this I hope you learn to
count your blessings and stop dwelling on what you don’t have.
Num 6:24 “Yahweh bless you and guard you;
Num 6:25 Yahweh make His face shine upon you, and show favour to you;
Num 6:26 Yahweh lift up His face upon you, and give you peace.” ’
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
For true love is inexhaustible; the more you give, the more you have.
And if you go to draw at the true fountainhead, the more water you
draw, the more abundant is its flow.
Antoine de Saint-Exupery
A test of a people is how it behaves toward the old. It is easy to
love children. Even tyrants and dictators make a point of being fond
of children. But the affection and care for the old, the incurable,
the helpless are the true gold mines of a culture.
Abraham Joshua Heschel
Respond directly:
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
http://www.isr-messianic.org/ <- download scriptures free
http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/RNKJV.zip
Restored Names King James for E-sword
http://messianicyehoshua.googlegroups.com/web/Jubilees.pdf
Book of Jubilees
Snow
> In John 6:44 Yahashua` the Messiah says, "No man can come to me,
> except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up
> at the last day."
I have to wonder if there is ever a point.
Linda Lee
Yes, the point is you don't believe anything Yahashua` the Messiah
said. You don't believe that he fulfilled all the prophecies in the
Hebrew Scriptures as he taught; you don't believe that no one can go
to the Father except through the Son, you don't believe in salvation
from being blotted out of the book of life like he taught; you don't
believe in the hell that he taught; etc., etc. You're deaf, dumb, and
blind to the way, the truth, and the life that the Messiah taught.
Snow
wrote:
> > Now go back and actually read my post again.
>
> I never read your post, am I supposed to read them?
"Those who will not read have no advantage of those who can't read."
Mark Twain
Snow
wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:48:27 -0800 (PST), Snow
>
> <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> >"Those who will not read have no advantage of those who can't read."
>
> People who have neither tongue or ears can hear God's voice.
> Plagiarism is testimony of others lacking in God's intimacy.
I'm sorry, did you confuse me for somebody that cares what you thought?
Snow
> May God have mercy on you.....
You first.
Jas 2:13 For the judgment is without compassion to the one who has
shown no compassion. And compassion boasts over judgment.