Happy To Kill Children
M.McGill
"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the
stones." (Psalm 137:9, KJV) "Happy the man who shall seize and smash your
little ones against the rock!" (Psalm 137:9, New American Bible) "a blessing
on anyone who seizes your babies and shatters them against a rock!" (Psalm
137:9, Jerusalem Bible)
Ask a Christian friend whether he or she should feel happy to dash a child
against the rocks. Your friend will most likely stare at you in horror, much
less believe this idea exists in their sacred Bible.
Many Churches have found this verse as quite embarrassing. It gives no
wonder then why priests, Jews, and Christians alike, have quoted from Psalm
137, but always leaving out this last verse.
This is a verse they never teach in Sunday school.
(See also Isaiah 13:16)
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"Jesus loves me, this I know...For the Bible tells me so"-Popular children's
Sunday school song.
Steven Carr
>MCGILL
>"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the
>stones." (Psalm 137:9, KJV) "Happy the man who shall seize and smash your
>little ones against the rock!" (Psalm 137:9, New American Bible) "a blessing
>on anyone who seizes your babies and shatters them against a rock!" (Psalm
>137:9, Jerusalem Bible)
>
>Ask a Christian friend whether he or she should feel happy to dash a child
>against the rocks. Your friend will most likely stare at you in horror, much
>less believe this idea exists in their sacred Bible.
>
>Many Churches have found this verse as quite embarrassing. It gives no
>wonder then why priests, Jews, and Christians alike, have quoted from Psalm
>137, but always leaving out this last verse.
>
>This is a verse they never teach in Sunday school.
Carr
Curiosly, there was a recent 'Thought for the Day on BBC Radio where
the Christian speaker complained about censorship of songs by China ,
Russia etc. He then said Psalms and hymns were very powerful and read
out Psalm 137 to prove it. Naturally, he did not read out the last
verse. Perhaps he thought it should be censored , or at least
hushed-up.
Redbullbob
losing ones identity, which the author associates with jerusalem and ha-aretz.
The poem ends with a curse on those who forced the israelites off of theirt
sacred land, this someone being Balylon. To wit, the last two verses of the
poem:"O daughter of Bavel, marked for devastation; happy is he who shall repay
thee thy recompense for what thou hast done to us. Happy is he who shall
sieze
and dash thy little ones on the rocks." this is not a commandment; no one is
obligated to smash any heads on rocks, nor any rocks on heads for that matter.
this is instead the voice of an individual whose side got their butts kicked,
and now hes shaking his literary fist and saying, "boy, god sure is gonna get
you some day, and itll be just fine with me."
Steve McCanse
wrote:
So, god is the one that's going to 'get you' some day, and he's gonna
do it by smashing in the brains of your children? Why would this guy
think his god would do that? What is it in his understanding of the
attributes of his god that would lead him to ascribe those 'qualities'
to a deity?
Steve
Larry Smith
>
>So, god is the one that's going to 'get you' some day, and he's gonna
>do it by smashing in the brains of your children? Why would this guy
>think his god would do that? What is it in his understanding of the
>attributes of his god that would lead him to ascribe those 'qualities'
>to a deity?
>
>Steve
>
I think you have misunderstood the nuance of this verse. Some of the
verses of the Bible are easier to misunderstand sometimes than they
are to fathom.
Let's take another one. On the cross, Jesus is credited with saying
"Eli, Eli, lameth sabachthani (sp?)" , or "My God, My God, why hast thou
forsaken me"
Why do you think he would have said such a thing?
G. R. Gaudreau
Larry Smith wrote in message <369a6d9f...@news.idir.net>...
I think you have misunderstood the nuance of this verse. Some of the
verses of the Bible are easier to misunderstand sometimes than they
are to fathom.
[grgaud]
The NUANCE of this verse?!?! PLEASE! It's about as subtle as a twenty
pound sledge hammer. It's right up there with all the other immortal
"words of YHWHW" where he, for instance, ordered Joshua to slaughter
anything and everything that breathed. No "nuances" there.
[Steve]
Let's take another one. On the cross, Jesus is credited with saying
"Eli, Eli, lameth sabachthani (sp?)" , or "My God, My God, why hast
thou forsaken me"
Why do you think he would have said such a thing?
[grgaud]
he probably never said it. They just put it there to make it appear he
was fulfilling some prophecy, just like all the other alleged
"prophecy fulfillments".
Prophecies Imaginary & Unfulfilled, by Farrell Till, would be a good
place for you to start examining the prophetic fulfillment claims of
the NT writers.
http://members.xoom.com/grgaud/till_improph.html
Cheers,
G. R. Gaudreau
grg...@sprint.ca
http://members.xoom.com/grgaud/
When you're having a bad day and it seems like people are trying your
patience, remember, it takes 42 muscles to frown and only 4 to pull
the trigger of a decent sniper rifle.
Steve McCanse
wrote:
>
>>
>>So, god is the one that's going to 'get you' some day, and he's gonna
>>do it by smashing in the brains of your children? Why would this guy
>>think his god would do that? What is it in his understanding of the
>>attributes of his god that would lead him to ascribe those 'qualities'
>>to a deity?
>>
>>Steve
>>
>
>I think you have misunderstood the nuance of this verse. Some of the
>verses of the Bible are easier to misunderstand sometimes than they
>are to fathom.
>
>Let's take another one. On the cross, Jesus is credited with saying
>"Eli, Eli, lameth sabachthani (sp?)" , or "My God, My God, why hast thou
>forsaken me"
>
>Why do you think he would have said such a thing?
Probably because he knew this god to be the kind who would forsake him
- just as he knew him to be one who would answer a prayer to stone
children. Just as he knew him to be one to order the slaughter of
men, children, and non-virgin women - saving the virgins for the old
post-victory debauchery.
Your point?
Steve
raven1
>
> >
> >So, god is the one that's going to 'get you' some day, and he's gonna
> >do it by smashing in the brains of your children? Why would this guy
> >think his god would do that? What is it in his understanding of the
> >attributes of his god that would lead him to ascribe those 'qualities'
> >to a deity?
> >
> >Steve
> >
>
> I think you have misunderstood the nuance of this verse. Some of the
> verses of the Bible are easier to misunderstand sometimes than they
> are to fathom.
>
> Let's take another one. On the cross, Jesus is credited with saying
> "Eli, Eli, lameth sabachthani (sp?)" , or "My God, My God, why hast thou
> forsaken me"
>
> Why do you think he would have said such a thing?
Because he had really expected his imaginary friend to come down and
save him, and was disappointed that he was still hanging up there?
Saleem G. Gailen
> Let's take another one. On the cross, Jesus is credited with saying
> "Eli, Eli, lameth sabachthani (sp?)" , or "My God, My God, why hast thou
> forsaken me"
>
> Why do you think he would have said such a thing?
Saleem:
This is merely another example of the Gospel writer(s) blatant attempts
at validating Jesus' mission and Messianic nature by means of
'borrowing' passages and prophecies from the Jewish texts and weaving
them into their story of him. This line is probably from a Psalm(can't
remember which one).
The only difference being the Hebrew verb and its suffixes 'azavtani'
which were substituted with the Aramaic/Arabic 'sabakhtani'.
Saleem
William Barwell
Pope Charles
Luke claims he said "Father, into my hands I commit my Spirit!"
Matthew claims he said "My God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?"
Eli, eli, ect.
Mark claims he said that too.
John claims he said, "It is finished".
What did he say?
Nobody knows.
So no use making a big deal out of it all.
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope Of Houston
Slack!
Scott Blankenship
G. R. Gaudreau wrote in message <369f4f45...@news.idir.net>...
>[grgaud]
>The NUANCE of this verse?!?! PLEASE! It's about as subtle as a twenty
>pound sledge hammer. It's right up there with all the other immortal
>"words of YHWHW" where he, for instance, ordered Joshua to slaughter
>anything and everything that breathed. No "nuances" there.
>
>[Steve]
>Let's take another one. On the cross, Jesus is credited with saying
>"Eli, Eli, lameth sabachthani (sp?)" , or "My God, My God, why hast
>thou forsaken me"
>
>Why do you think he would have said such a thing?
Most likely it was added to the story later, as the author used the OT to
help explain/justify jesus as messiah. That phrase is straight from Psalm
22.
Diego Nabartek
>Pope Charles
>Luke claims he said "Father, into my hands I commit my Spirit!"
>Matthew claims he said "My God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?"
> Eli, eli, ect.
>Mark claims he said that too.
>John claims he said, "It is finished".
>What did he say?
>Nobody knows.
Diego
Maybe he said all of those things (not at the same time, of course.)
Auti...@aol.com
Paul Robson:
Of course !
Jesus : Oi God : Where are you ? I've been nailed to this cross all day !
[God appears in the clouds a la Lion King]
[Enter first disciple]
Jesus : My God My God why hast thou forsaken me ?
[First disciple exits]
God : Don't panic , I'm here - I just had to go to the bathroom
[Enter second disciple]
Jesus : It is finished ?
[Second disciple exists]
God : Yes, I feel much better now.
[Enter third disciple]
Jesus : Father , into thy hands I commit thy spirit
[third disciple exits]
God : Okay then (zaps him) see you in three days and three nights
Farrell Till
>>Pope Charles
>>Luke claims he said "Father, into my hands I commit my Spirit!"
>>Matthew claims he said "My God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?"
>> Eli, eli, ect.
>>Mark claims he said that too.
>>John claims he said, "It is finished".
>>What did he say?
>>Nobody knows.
>Diego
>Maybe he said all of those things (not at the same time, of course.)
TILL
The problem is that the different records indicate that these were the final
comments that Jesus made.
Farrell Till
Skepticism, Inc.
jft...@midwest.net
Tmrx8
>[God appears in the clouds a la Lion King]
>[Enter first disciple]
>Jesus : My God My God why hast thou forsaken me ?
>[First disciple exits]
>God : Don't panic , I'm here - I just had to go to the bathroom
>[Enter second disciple]
>Jesus : It is finished ?
>[Second disciple exists]
>God : Yes, I feel much better now.
>[Enter third disciple]
>Jesus : Father , into thy hands I commit thy spirit
>[third disciple exits]
>God : Okay then (zaps him) see you in three days and three nights
Tmrx8
But Mark and Luke weren't apostles, they were probably not even Jews
mah...@my-dejanews.com
"Diego Nabartek" <oran...@usa.net> wrote:
> Maybe he said all of those things (not at the same time, of course.)
And since there are no eye-witness accounts, who knows ? (Neither do there
appear to be eye-witness accounts of the actual existence of Jesus either.)
M
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