The "near-sacrifice" of Isaac
Boyd Blaire
Elliott Friedman, "The Last Trial" by S. Spiegel, and "The Oxford
Companion to the Bible," notably the entries by William H. Barnes]
recognize two authors of the "Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac" myth in
the Hebrew Testament (starting at Genesis 22:2). The first author is
identified as "the E source," which stands for "The Elohists." (From
the word Elohim / Elohiym which means "the male powers." The Hebrew
word for male and female "powers" (gods and goddesses) combined is
"Elohin / Elohiyn.") The Elohist verses starts at Verse Two, and
continues to Verse Ten. The later insertion of four or five verses,
Verses Eleven to Fourteen or Fifteen, were added by "the J source,"
known as the Yahwehists. The Elohists account then continues at Verse
Sixteen wherein the gods (Elohim) reward Abraham for "his" sacrifice
of Isaac (though obviously it was Isaac who could be said to have made
the sacrifice).
It is precisely this change in the name (and thus nature and gender)
of the god(s) in question that have convinced Bible scholars of the
two distinct authors of the Isaac sacrifice myth: the Yahweh-centric
addition of the four verses refer to the desert war-air god YHWH
singular, while the rest of the account refers to the plural male gods
known collectively as "Elohim." (Young's Literal Version incorrectly
translates the name "YHWH" to "Jehovah," which is consistent with the
Jehovah's Witness version of the Bible). Friedman points out that it
was probably the later doctrines prohibiting human sacrifice that
caused the Yahwehists to make the insertion into the earlier Elohist
myth.
If the Bible is "without error" (pause for laughter to subside), why
would the gods who "inspired" it allow it to be changed?
Matt - Co-owner
>was probably the later doctrines prohibiting human sacrifice that
>caused the Yahwehists to make the insertion into the earlier Elohist
>myth.
Yahwehist came first. Elohist was later. In order: JEDP
>If the Bible is "without error" (pause for laughter to subside), why
>would the gods who "inspired" it allow it to be changed?
"Withouot error?" Do you mean without Historical error? LOL That's
not what
the Bible is about, you dolt! @@
Matt
charles sommers
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CHUCK
Please explain that to the American Evangelicals and right-wing
orthodox Jews in Israel who want to commit genocide against
the Palestinians to get them out of land "promised to the Jews".
Larry Righi
heard of
them before and would like to read more about this {MYTH?}I put a
guestion
mark beside the word myth because I have read that some myths have a
small
basis of truth to them sometimes......I ran into a website that claims
that
they are a God like race which fashioned the earth into a livable
place for
the human race...That they were mentioned in Genesis...That they
worship an
all powerful father God named El and That Jesus {who is actually
Jehovah}is
the head Elohiym...That Satan was an Elohiym that rebelled and caused
war in
the Elohiym dimension {which is actually heaven} etc. etc. etc. bye
Larry
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Ron
>>If the Bible is "without error" (pause for laughter to subside), why
>>would the gods who "inspired" it allow it to be changed?
>
> "Withouot error?" Do you mean without Historical error? LOL That's
> not what
> the Bible is about, you dolt! @@
>
> Matt
Matt,
I wonder . . . In your opinion . . . What is the Bible about?
In what way is it error free?
Note: If you are christian, please keep your answer short. When you
see
your scroll bar moving, stop. Few people will read it otherwise.
Ron
charles sommers
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> Hi Guys does anyone know anything about the Elohiym..I have never
> heard of
> them before and would like to read more about this {MYTH?}I put a
> guestion
> mark beside the word myth because I have read that some myths have a
> small
> basis of truth to them sometimes......I ran into a website that claims
> that
> they are a God like race which fashioned the earth into a livable
> place for
> the human race...That they were mentioned in Genesis...That they
> worship an
> all powerful father God named El and That Jesus {who is actually
> Jehovah}is
> the head Elohiym...That Satan was an Elohiym that rebelled and caused
> war in
> the Elohiym dimension {which is actually heaven} etc. etc. etc. bye
> Larry
CHUCK
First of all it is the custom in this group to put replies at the end
of
previous
post(s)
Second, regarding your question. Try a really obscure treatise...like
a
dictionary, and find the following:
.......................
elohim
\E*lo"him\, n. [Heb.] One of the principal names by which God is
designated in
the Hebrew Scriptures
...................................................
Note correct spelling.
The existence of the Israelite tribes ( in the north) who referred to
"El" and
those in the south who worshipped Jaweh is old hat to anyone who has
read the
history of the old Testament. They each had their own differing
accounts and
myths. They were unified by one or more redactors at a later time.
These two origins of the Pentatuch are referred to as "E" and "J".
This theory is the explanation for the many double stories about the
same
events, such as the two differing accounts of the creation in Genesis.
"El" is also the root for "Allah".
Desertphile
<rig...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Hi Guys does anyone know anything about the Elohiym..I have never heard of
> them before and would like to read more about this {MYTH?}I put a guestion
> mark beside the word myth because I have read that some myths have a small
> basis of truth to them sometimes......I ran into a website that claims that
> they are a God like race which fashioned the earth into a livable place for
> the human race...That they were mentioned in Genesis...That they worship an
> all powerful father God named El and That Jesus {who is actually Jehovah} is
> the head Elohiym...That Satan was an Elohiym that rebelled and caused war in
> the Elohiym dimension {which is actually heaven} etc. etc. etc. bye
Greetings.
The following is historical: I won't bother mentioning "Satan" and
"Jesus" and "Jehovah," as the Hebrews had no such gods in their
pantheon.
The Hebrew word "El" means "power" or "strength." Since Hebrews were
first polytheists and then mostly henothesists, they worshiped many
goddesses and gods. The Elohim were the body of all of the Hebrew male
gods. YHWH was just one of these gods.
During and after the Babylonian, the Hebrews incorporated a few
Babylonian goddesses and gods into their pantheon, and/or modified
some of their own goddesses and gods along Babylonian beliefs. While
the Bible appears to be wrong about the "Egyptian captivity" myth, the
Hebrews also flavored their gods with some Egyptian beliefs.
The Hebrews came to hold one of their gods, YHWH, as stronger and
worthy of the greatest worship over all of their others. YHWH is a
desert tribal war god associated with wind and dust storms as well as
war and conquest. He had an equal named "The Adversary" with whom he
hung out and made bets with (see for instance the Book of Job).
Modern Jews are mostly secular or henotheists (there might be a few
monotheists, but monotheism in the world is rare). Very few Jews know
who their anvestors' gods were, and fewer still care. (This is true of
most people in the world.)
> Larry
vestee
>On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:41:36 +0000, "Larry Righi"
><rig...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > them before and would like to read more about this {MYTH?}I put a guestion
> > mark beside the word myth because I have read that some myths have a small
> > basis of truth to them sometimes......I ran into a website that claims that
> > they are a God like race which fashioned the earth into a livable place for
> > the human race...That they were mentioned in Genesis...That they worship an
> > all powerful father God named El and That Jesus {who is actually
> Jehovah} is
> > the head Elohiym...That Satan was an Elohiym that rebelled and caused
> war in
> > the Elohiym dimension {which is actually heaven} etc. etc. etc. bye
>
>
>The following is historical: I won't bother mentioning "Satan" and
>"Jesus" and "Jehovah," as the Hebrews had no such gods in their
>pantheon.
>
>The Hebrew word "El" means "power" or "strength." Since Hebrews were
>first polytheists and then mostly henothesists, they worshiped many
>goddesses and gods. The Elohim were the body of all of the Hebrew male
>gods. YHWH was just one of these gods.
Larry
Please tell me your source for this information. I find this to be
quite
interesting!
Mike Night HaShev
of the Host. When they say we will make man in our image they are
talking about essence type image not form type image through making
man righteous like they.
When they say man will try to take the knowledge from the forbidden
tree and be like them it's talking about the imposter hosts (temple
priests) the ones set up in Rome trying to emulate the Jerusalem
Hosts.
The Biblical and Dead Sea Scrolls Commentary on the head of the Hosts
/head of the congregation is Michael but the first false one (the
fallen and overturned one) is deemed Lucifer by Christians.
If you claim Jesus to be the head of the Hosts (Elohim) and his church
is in Rome not JeruSalem then you are calling Jesus that first and
failed Imposter viceroy aka Lucifer as he himself admited to be and
fulfilled to be:
[See here etymology of "Lucifer": "[ the morning star, a fallen rebel
archangel, THE Devil, fr. OE. fr. Latin, the morning star, fr. Lucifer
light-bearing, fr. luc light + -fer -ferous--more at LIGHT]"
(Webster's, p.677) I Jesus am the bright morning star (Lucifer)
Rev 22:16
Genesis uses the term 'nachash' for the serpent which is not the word
used to viper type snake .
This word means "serpent" at Numbers 21:9, and Jesus used nachash
(serpent) to refer to himself in John 3:14
Now read Genesis 3:4
In Genesis 3:4 the temptation by the Serpent
(as the shining one not a viper type snake) saying:
"eat from this tree and "ye shall not surely die."
This becomes very familar - a false promise from the followers who
call hanging on a tree, the cross.
Jesus the bright shining one said, "Believe in my cross (tree) and you
will not die" - found in the book of Matthew and Thomas.
The New Testament also says that Jesus remarked, "He who seeks to save
his life will lose it." as well as saying: "Unless the seed die it
cannot bring forth fruit."
Same lie to merely 'believe' in him instead of seeking out truth and
knowledge.
Believe = Bel/Lie/Eve = Bel's Lie to Eve.
The lore of the apple being the forbidden fruit not to partake of on
that tree, is not biblical or indigenous to the region, thus it holds
a deeper revelation.
It was the Helenized Paul who brought this mixed faith and wrote
1/2-3/4 the new "testament" Bible, thus 'A-Paul' is the forbidden
fruit they did partake from.
lorraine ledonne
^^^ Quite honestly, I have had thoughts like this,
things in the Bible that throw me off. (I'm a
Christian). I was hoping this list might be a place
to air those thoughts and examine them, but in my time
here, I've found there are a lot of mean-spirited
people on here, who in the name of truth, call others
stupid. I'm only replying to you who wrote this then.
How about the way Jesus compared himself to the
bronze serpent that was lifted up in the OT? Wouldn't
that speak something of God's plan? ^^^
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