Re: Gish Gallop

[Jack]

On 2014-10-08 3:57 PM, in article
G4mdnRf_m_uAFKjJ...@giganews.com, "James Warren"
<jwwar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 10/8/2014 3:31 PM, IanC wrote:
>> On Tuesday, October 7, 2014 6:29:35 PM UTC-3, James Warren wrote:
>>> Mark Twain once famously said, �A lie can travel halfway around the world
>>> while the truth is putting
>>>
>>> on its shoes.� Twain wasn�t praising lies with this comment, of course,
>>> but modern-day conservatives
>>>
>>> seem to think he was dishing out advice instead of damning the practice of
>>> dishonesty. Conservatives
>>>
>>> have figured out a neat little rhetorical trick: One lie is easy for your
>>> opponents to debunk. Tell
>>>
>>> one lie after another, however, and your opponent�s debunkings will never
>>> catch up. By the time the
>>>
>>> liberal opposition has debunked one lie, there�s a dozen more to take its
>>> place.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Science educator Eugenie Scott deemed the technique the �Gish Gallop,�
>>> named for a notoriously
>>>
>>> sleazy creationist named Duane Gish. The Urban Dictionary defines the Gish
>>> Gallop as a technique
>>>
>>> that �involves spewing so much bullshit in such a short span on that your
>>> opponent can�t address let
>>>
>>> alone counter all of it.� Often users of the Gish Gallop know their
>>> arguments are nonsense or made
>>>
>>> in bad faith, but don�t particularly care because they are so dead set on
>>> advancing their agenda.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, the strategy is so effective that it�s been expanding
>>> rapidly in right-wing circles.
>>>
>>> Here are just a few of the most disturbing examples of the Gish Gallop in
>>> action.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. Creationism. It�s no surprise creationists inspired the coining of the
>>> term Gish Gallop, as they
>>>
>>> have perfected the art of making up nonsense faster than scientists can
>>> refute it. The list of false
>>>
>>> or irrelevant claims made by creationists, as chronicled by Talk Origins,
>>> numbers in the dozens,
>>>
>>> perhaps even hundreds, and more are always being spun out. Trying to argue
>>> with a creationist,
>>>
>>> therefore, turns into a hellish game of Whack-A-Mole. Debunk the lie that
>>> the speed of light is not
>>>
>>> constant, and you�ll find he�s already arguing that humans co-existed
>>> with dinosaurs. Argue that
>>>
>>> it�s unconstitutional to put the story of Adam and Eve in the science
>>> classroom, and find he�s
>>>
>>> pretending he was never asking for that and instead wants to �teach the
>>> controversy.�
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> �Teaching the controversy" is a classic Gish Gallop apology. The
>>> conservative wants to make it seem
>>>
>>> like he�s supporting open-minded debate, but instead he just wants an
>>> opportunity to dump a bunch of
>>>
>>> lies on students with the knowledge that they�ll never have the time and
>>> attention to carefully
>>>
>>> parse every debunking.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. Climate change denialism. This strategy worked so well for creationism it
>>> makes perfect sense
>>>
>>> that it would be imported to the world of climate change denialism. Climate
>>> change denialists have
>>>
>>> many changing excuses for why they reject the science showing that
>>> human-caused greenhouse gases are
>>>
>>> changing the climate, but what all these reasons have in common is they are
>>> utter nonsense in
>>>
>>> service of a predetermined opposition to taking any action to prevent
>>> further damage.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Skeptical Science, a website devoted to debunking right-wing lies on this
>>> topic, has compiled a
>>>
>>> dizzying list of 176 common claims by climate denialists and links to why
>>> they are false. Some of
>>>
>>> these lies directly contradict each other. For instance, it can�t both be
>>> true that climate change
>>>
>>> is �natural� and that it�s not happening at all. No matter, since the
>>> point of these lies is not to
>>>
>>> create a real discussion about the issue, but to confuse the issue so much
>>> it�s impossible to get
>>>
>>> any real momentum behind efforts to stop global warming.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is more at:
>>> http://www.alternet.org/5-things-conservatives-lie-shamelessly-about
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> -jw
>>
>> jack serves up gish gallop on a daily basis
>>
>
> If he bothers to make an argument at all, which is seldom.
>


I'm still waiting for your incontrovertible proof of man made climate change
??? And I will be waiting right Jimmy...because it's all a scam...which the
world is finally waking up too...Told them so.....


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