1,000 years with Austria or 1 day with Serbs?
Stjepan Balog
There is a sure fire way of telling when the plum harvest was exceptionally
good in Serbia (that's what sljivovica is made from): the Serbs start
saying some really (really) stupid things (more so than usual).
One of my favorite of all the Serbian stupid lines is "we saved you
(Croatians, etc...) from Austrians." That is like someone telling me he
saved me from having to have a date with Brooke Shields. Serbs, please
don't do us any more favors.
To all those idiots (foreign and domestic) who consider living under the
backward, Byzantine like, brutal, uncivilized Serbian dictatorship as being
something better than living under (with) a civilized, technically advanced
and culturally developed Austria; "you must have been hitting the sljivovica
way too hard."
It goes without saying (however, I feel I must say it anyway) that we
Croatians don't want to live under or with anyone else ever again, but (BUT)
if we had to choose, only an idiot would even consider a "union" with the
Serbs a better choice than living with the Austrians.
An excellent example of influence which both Austria and Serbia have left on
a state is Bosnia. In other words, let's consider what Austria did while it
was in Bosnia, and what the Serbs did:
From around 1875 (OK, so I don't remember the exact date, so sue me), until
1914, and while Austria had total control over Bosnia, it (Austria) built
thousands of kilometers of roads, rail-roads, libraries, museums, schools,
hospitals and hundreds of other projects. There were also some less
visible, but even more important contributions that Austria has left in
Bosnia, such as the Geological survey, which is still used today. Actually,
a book could be written (should be) about Austria's legacy to Bosnia.
Now let's compare that to what the Serbs have "contributed" to Bosnia:
First they destroyed most of what Austria helped to build. Then they killed
or raped or "ethnically cleansed) most of Bosnians. Then the Serbs
proceeded to destroy every non-Serbian historical, religious or artistic
Bosnian edifice that they could lay their bloody hands on.
Let's not forget that even such things as the graveyards didn't escape the
Serbian hateful legacy.
I suppose that a cynic could find something positive in the Serbian actions
in Bosnia: in destroying all of Bosnia's industry, the Serbs have improved
its air-quality. Of course, since the Serbs either killed or at least drove
most of Bosnians from their homes, there aren't too many people left to
"enjoy the benefits" of this Serbian contribution.
Does the above sufficiently illustrates the difference between living with
the Serbs, and living with the Austrians?
No? OK, there is more.
A similar comparison could be made for other ex-Yugoslavia states and
regions. Kosova could be another excellent example of Austrian civility and
the Serbia's backwardness and barbarity: when the Austrians liberated
Kosova from the Serbs in 1915, they not only allowed the Albanians to use
their language again (which the Serbs have forbidden), but the Austrians
also printed books in the Albanian language, opened schools, started
improving the roads, etc. Now compare that to what the Serbs have done to
Kosovars before and after Austrian influence.
If nothing else, just compare the Austrians opening schools for Kosovars to
the Serbian extermination of Albanians (at least temporarily interrupted by
NATO).
Need any more examples of why one day under the Serbs is a worst punishment
than even a 1,000 years under the Austrians?
Stjepan Balog
Stjepan Balog
payton
Stjepan Balog wrote in message ...
>1,000 years with Austria or 1 day with Serbs?
>
>
>There is a sure fire way of telling when the plum harvest was exceptionally
>good in Serbia (that's what sljivovica is made from): the Serbs start
>saying some really (really) stupid things (more so than usual).
>
>
>One of my favorite of all the Serbian stupid lines is "we saved you
>(Croatians, etc...) from Austrians." That is like someone telling me he
>saved me from having to have a date with Brooke Shields. Serbs, please
>don't do us any more favors.
>
Most stupid thing Serbs ever did.
>
>To all those idiots (foreign and domestic) who consider living under the
>backward, Byzantine like, brutal, uncivilized Serbian dictatorship as being
>something better than living under (with) a civilized, technically advanced
>and culturally developed Austria; "you must have been hitting the sljivovica
>way too hard."
>
"Serbian dictatorship?" Tell me one thing that you had under Austrians that you didn't had under Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and
Slovenians or later called Kingdom of Yugoslavia, not to mention SFRJ? From 1945-1980 it was Croatian dictatorship wasn't it?
You are using the word "Byzantine" in a way that shows great lack of historical knowledge or great influence of western propaganda
(lies).
>
>It goes without saying (however, I feel I must say it anyway) that we
>Croatians don't want to live under or with anyone else ever again, but (BUT)
>if we had to choose, only an idiot would even consider a "union" with the
>Serbs a better choice than living with the Austrians.
>
You mean UNDER Austrians.
>
>An excellent example of influence which both Austria and Serbia have left on
>a state is Bosnia. In other words, let's consider what Austria did while it
>was in Bosnia, and what the Serbs did:
>
>
>From around 1875 (OK, so I don't remember the exact date, so sue me), until
>1914, and while Austria had total control over Bosnia, it (Austria) built
>thousands of kilometers of roads, rail-roads, libraries, museums, schools,
>hospitals and hundreds of other projects. There were also some less
>visible, but even more important contributions that Austria has left in
>Bosnia, such as the Geological survey, which is still used today. Actually,
>a book could be written (should be) about Austria's legacy to Bosnia.
>
Yes and they even kept the old feudal system of Turkish empire, so Bosnian Serbs and Croats were still Turkish serfs after 1878.
>
>Now let's compare that to what the Serbs have "contributed" to Bosnia:
>First they destroyed most of what Austria helped to build. Then they killed
>or raped or "ethnically cleansed) most of Bosnians. Then the Serbs
>proceeded to destroy every non-Serbian historical, religious or artistic
>Bosnian edifice that they could lay their bloody hands on.
>Let's not forget that even such things as the graveyards didn't escape the
>Serbian hateful legacy.
>
Bla, bla, bla. Same old propaganda.
>
>I suppose that a cynic could find something positive in the Serbian actions
>in Bosnia: in destroying all of Bosnia's industry, the Serbs have improved
>its air-quality. Of course, since the Serbs either killed or at least drove
>most of Bosnians from their homes, there aren't too many people left to
>"enjoy the benefits" of this Serbian contribution.
>
>
>Does the above sufficiently illustrates the difference between living with
>the Serbs, and living with the Austrians?
>
>
>No? OK, there is more.
>
>
>A similar comparison could be made for other ex-Yugoslavia states and
>regions. Kosova could be another excellent example of Austrian civility and
>the Serbia's backwardness and barbarity: when the Austrians liberated
>Kosova from the Serbs in 1915,
"Liberated" has realy strange meaning in your sentences.
they not only allowed the Albanians to use
>their language again (which the Serbs have forbidden),
When was any language forbidden in Serbia? Which ruler, in which law forbidden Albanian language?
but the Austrians
>also printed books in the Albanian language, opened schools, started
>improving the roads, etc. Now compare that to what the Serbs have done to
>Kosovars before and after Austrian influence.
>
Those Austrians were realy nice fellows. Please remind me why was the rest of Europe fighting against tham in that same year (1915)?
>
>If nothing else, just compare the Austrians opening schools for Kosovars to
>the Serbian extermination of Albanians (at least temporarily interrupted by
>NATO).
>
Or started by NATO.
>
>Need any more examples of why one day under the Serbs is a worst punishment
>than even a 1,000 years under the Austrians?
>
Like the example that Croatia didnt existed as a republic or a country under Austria.
>
>Stjepan Balog
>
I will have to ask you again (4th time): Are you reporter in HRT sport program?
Mark
better than 1minute with you.
The Serbs have become heros to millions across the world - millions of peace
loving, anti war, anti greed, anti cult of money and anti US trash people.
Whether you like it or not.
Had your holidays yet?
Albania would be a good choice for you...and we all will get some long
deserved break from your obsessive hate mails.
Stjepan Balog wrote in message ...
>1,000 years with Austria or 1 day with Serbs?
>
>
>There is a sure fire way of telling when the plum harvest was exceptionally
>good in Serbia (that's what sljivovica is made from): the Serbs start
>saying some really (really) stupid things (more so than usual).
>
>
>One of my favorite of all the Serbian stupid lines is "we saved you
>(Croatians, etc...) from Austrians." That is like someone telling me he
>saved me from having to have a date with Brooke Shields. Serbs, please
>don't do us any more favors.
>
>
>backward, Byzantine like, brutal, uncivilized Serbian dictatorship as being
>something better than living under (with) a civilized, technically
advanced
>and culturally developed Austria; "you must have been hitting the
sljivovica
>way too hard."
>
>
>Croatians don't want to live under or with anyone else ever again, but
(BUT)
>if we had to choose, only an idiot would even consider a "union" with the
>Serbs a better choice than living with the Austrians.
>
>
on
>a state is Bosnia. In other words, let's consider what Austria did while
it
>was in Bosnia, and what the Serbs did:
>
>
>From around 1875 (OK, so I don't remember the exact date, so sue me), until
>1914, and while Austria had total control over Bosnia, it (Austria) built
>thousands of kilometers of roads, rail-roads, libraries, museums, schools,
>hospitals and hundreds of other projects. There were also some less
>visible, but even more important contributions that Austria has left in
>Bosnia, such as the Geological survey, which is still used today.
Actually,
>a book could be written (should be) about Austria's legacy to Bosnia.
>
>
>First they destroyed most of what Austria helped to build. Then they
killed
>or raped or "ethnically cleansed) most of Bosnians. Then the Serbs
>proceeded to destroy every non-Serbian historical, religious or artistic
>Bosnian edifice that they could lay their bloody hands on.
>Let's not forget that even such things as the graveyards didn't escape the
>Serbian hateful legacy.
>
>
>in Bosnia: in destroying all of Bosnia's industry, the Serbs have improved
>its air-quality. Of course, since the Serbs either killed or at least
drove
>most of Bosnians from their homes, there aren't too many people left to
>"enjoy the benefits" of this Serbian contribution.
>
>
>Does the above sufficiently illustrates the difference between living with
>the Serbs, and living with the Austrians?
>
>
>No? OK, there is more.
>
>
>A similar comparison could be made for other ex-Yugoslavia states and
>regions. Kosova could be another excellent example of Austrian civility
and
>the Serbia's backwardness and barbarity: when the Austrians liberated
>their language again (which the Serbs have forbidden), but the Austrians
>also printed books in the Albanian language, opened schools, started
>improving the roads, etc. Now compare that to what the Serbs have done to
>Kosovars before and after Austrian influence.
>
>
>the Serbian extermination of Albanians (at least temporarily interrupted by
>NATO).
>
>
>than even a 1,000 years under the Austrians?
>
>
>
>
>
_...@_.org
Alex
I see you still have slaverian philosophy.
You are dreaming about better Lord, as slaver.
Perhaps, the best time for Croatia was under Hitler? He had biggest power in
the World, At the time of Independent Croatian State during 4 years in IIWW?
You are saying about Serbian dictatorship. But Tito was Croatian, isn't it?
How many Serbs were killed in Croatian concentration camp at the IIWW? How
many Serbs were killed in Croatia in 90th?
I am Ukrainian and history of our (Croatia & Ukraine) countries looks very
similar in many things: the same union under "elder brother"(Russia), the
same "desire" to have independence etc. Even part (very small) of my country
decelerated "independence" under Hitler at IIWW. But, unlike you (if you are
from Croatia) we had great Resistance against Hitler.
We never had so great hating of our neighbours. We are never wanted to see
them killed.
Why you are so aggressive? Why you have faschist philosophy? You are saying
like jackal who has "powerful friend". "To fight dragon, you must have own
dragon"?
Your brain too much dirty.
Take it easy.
Alex
Zoran Brlecic
> Dear Stefan,
I really don't want to get into a discussion of this kind, especially considering Stjepan's
obsession with Serbs who are no longer a factor in Croatia's future. Yet, I have to point out a few
inconsistencies in your post.
> Perhaps, the best time for Croatia was under Hitler?
If you're trying to be sarcastic here, it doesn't work. If you're serious, it's ridiculous.
> You are saying about Serbian dictatorship. But Tito was Croatian, isn't it?
What is this supposed to prove? Stalin was Georgian, wasn't he? Did that make USSR a "Georgian"
dictatorship from the perspective of the Baltic states (and Ukraine for that matter)?
> How many Serbs were killed in Croatian concentration camp at the IIWW? How many Serbs were killed
> in Croatia in 90th?
Repeating Serbian propaganda (even if true) in the style of the 1962 Bob Dylan proves nothing. What
is your point?
> I am Ukrainian and history of our (Croatia & Ukraine) countries looks very similar in many things:
> the same union under "elder brother"(Russia), the same "desire" to have independence etc. Even
> part (very small) of my country decelerated "independence" under Hitler at IIWW. But, unlike you
> (if you are from Croatia) we had great Resistance against Hitler.
Unlike us? Get your facts straight before you bother anybody with useless moralizing. Or is that
what they taught you in school?
> We never had so great hating of our neighbours. We are never wanted to see them killed.
Hate is relative. It comes and goes. Certainly Croatians did not join the fight for independence
motivated by "hate", but by the vision of a better future. Obviously there was a sharp increase in
"hate" well into the war, which is not surprising after witnessing the brutality of the JNA
onslaught on the practically defenseless nation. Vukovar, Celije, Skabrnja massacres come to mind.
However, save for the few unfortunate people who witnessed the atrocities first hand, everybody has
a tendency to forget and forgive, and no normal person harbors hate forever.
--
Support freedom of speech, or I'll kill you!
ALEXANDER
think u are going to join the western european gravy train. u have not
contributed one thing to europe, and u should look to your friends in the
east for your future. no third world country is to be alllowed to join the
EU.
Stjepan Balog wrote in message ...
Nikoll A Mirakaj
Markan
wrote:
>dont get too excited, we dont regard croatia as a western country so dont
>think u are going to join the western european gravy train. u have not
>contributed one thing to europe, and u should look to your friends in the
Alexander, you should learn some history.
Croatians stopped the Turkish invasion on Europe. At that time Europe
was divided and helpless, but Croatians sacrified themselves to defend
Croatia nad Austria. Turks won some battles but they were exhausted
and they gave up of invasion. Croatians lost many lives and country
was destroyed. Europe did nothing to help.
>east for your future. no third world country is to be alllowed to join the
>EU.
>
OK.
Markan
Mario
You said it like it is.
It is people like you that can paint a clearer picture for
those that have a distorted view through Serbian rose-
colored glasses and propoganda.
Best regards,
Mario (a.k.a. Brko)
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