Guinness Question
Bill Bannan
that the Guinness Draught (the kegs not the cans) we get here
in the States is actually brewed in England. This does not square
with what I was told by the various pub proprieters that I spoke
with on my last trip to Ireland. In fact many of them said what
we get here is the same stuff they have there just a few days
older. So I'm a little confused, can any one out there clear
this up for me?
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Tim Buss
Guinness is certainly brewed and bottled (under license) in England. The
Greene King brewery in Bury St. Edmunds bottles the stuff (comes in a big
tanker!!). A lot of the draught Guinness sold in England is also brewed
there.
I think that bottled Guinness from Ireland is bottle-conditioned, and the
stuff brewed and bottled in England is not. This is why it isn't as good
as the real thing.
As to the draught Guinness sold here in the US I don't know. Guinness
must have offices here in the US somewhere, maybe contact them??
Tim.
Edward Hartnett
Tim> Guinness Question
Tim> Guinness is certainly brewed and bottled (under license) in England. The
Tim> Greene King brewery in Bury St. Edmunds bottles the stuff (comes in a big
Tim> tanker!!). A lot of the draught Guinness sold in England is also brewed
Tim> there.
Tim> I think that bottled Guinness from Ireland is bottle-conditioned, and the
Tim> stuff brewed and bottled in England is not. This is why it isn't as good
Tim> as the real thing.
Tim> As to the draught Guinness sold here in the US I don't know. Guinness
Tim> must have offices here in the US somewhere, maybe contact them??
My understanding (from a homebrew book by Micheal Jackson (not the
singer) I think) is that the Guinness on tap in America is brewed in
Jammaca.
One thing I am sure of, the American version has a much higher alcohol
content (6%) than the Irish version (3%). The reason for this is that
beer in Ireland is taxed on alcohol content and the lower content
allows them the keep the price of a pint about 20p lower than the
standard lagers.
In America, OTOH, beer is taxed by sale price, and so alcohol content
doesn't matter.
I do know that when drinking 10 pints in NYC I get drunk, drinking 10
pints in Dublin and I do not. My brother has noticed the same thing.
I'm sure I'm going to be flamed for the 3% thing!
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Alan Marshall
No, but you are likely to get flamed for citing bogus sources. I'd
like to see this homebrew book by Michael Jackson that says Guinness
for the U.S. is brewed in Jamaica. Check out the Guinness FAQt and
Folklore, posted monthly to rec.food.drink. beer and available via
anonymous ftp from sierra.stanford.edu in /pub/homebrew/rfdb/
First, Draught Guinness sold in America is brewed at St. James Gate
Dublin and is 4.2% alcohol vy volume (3.4% by weight, the way it's
measured in the U.S. Second, according to Michael Jackson's Beer
Companion (p. 182) the same product is sold in the U.S. and Irish
markets. If you notice a difference, it is likely due to the
freshness. BTW, is is also pastuerized.
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southwestern PA has sediment in the bottom. The sediment tastes very
simular to what is in the bottom of my homebrew. Is this beer bottle
conditioned? I had to check several bottles last night to be sure each
bottle had sediment in it :)
Is Sheaf Stout any good? It is $22 a case here versus $27 for Guinness
thanks,
ben
Peter Dyer
Sorry that you found an obnoxious one (As a rule we are quite likeable really).
If I am writing America, or United States of America, I use a preceding capital
letter. Is England so poorly looked upon by you guys as to make it unecessary
to do so ?
Regards
Pete Dyer
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M MacKinnon
: I have noticed that the Guinness Extra Stout in bottles I buy here in
: thanks,
: ben
I don't know if it is still bottle conditioned, but it certainly used to
be. I worked in a bottling plant in Edinburgh while I was at nautical
college, many moons ago and we used to bottle Guinness. Naturally, I had
a few swalleys and ended up in extreme pain. Seemingly, the stuff was
left in the bottle for six weeks after bottling, before being sent to
the pubs etc.
Mike
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> In America, OTOH, beer is taxed by sale price, and so alcohol content
> doesn't matter.
>
> I do know that when drinking 10 pints in NYC I get drunk, drinking 10
> pints in Dublin and I do not. My brother has noticed the same thing.
>
> I'm sure I'm going to be flamed for the 3% thing!
Eh...Nooo, I'd rather flame you on the claim that 10 pints in Dublin doesn't
get you drunk. I want all you knowledge eager first year students to try this
at home, you mightn't exactly go unconcious , but I reckon you might have slight
co-ordinational problems / gravity problems.
Yours with 2 pints of shandy and a bag of hoola hoops please,
Ap.
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Peter Dyer
> I don't know if it is still bottle conditioned, but it certainly used to
> be. I worked in a bottling plant in Edinburgh while I was at nautical
> college, many moons ago and we used to bottle Guinness. Naturally, I had
> a few swalleys and ended up in extreme pain. Seemingly, the stuff was
> left in the bottle for six weeks after bottling, before being sent to
> the pubs etc.
Bottled Guiness sold in the U.K was all bottle conditioned up until around 1
year ago, when it was dropped. I think all of the Guiness for the U.K market
is now bottled by the Sheperd Neame brewery.
Can't speak for Ireland itself, but I am fairly sure that none of the bottled
Guiness outside Ireland is now bottle conditioned.
Dwayne Springfield
: Sorry that you found an obnoxious one (As a rule we are quite likeable really).
: If I am writing America, or United States of America, I use a preceding capital
: letter. Is England so poorly looked upon by you guys as to make it unecessary
: to do so ?
: Regards
: Pete Dyer
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not at all.... it is just that some of us are very lazy and the
thought having to push two computer keys at a time.. letter + shift
gives us palpatations :) actually it is not uncommon to see posts with
absolutely no capital letters whatsoever. i'm sure that no offense was
intended.
l8r,
dwayne
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Paraic Sheridan
user U4...@wvnvm.wvnet.edu writes:
>Is Sheaf Stout any good? It is $22 a case here versus $27 for Guinness
I've tried Sheaf Stout once in a local pup. It is considerably sweeter than
Guinness. Went down very smoothly! (It's an Australian stout).
Regards,
Paraic.
M MacKinnon
: On 05-Apr-94 in Sediment in bottom of Guinn..
: user U4...@wvnvm.wvnet.edu writes:
Call the ISPCA!!!!
Mike B*B
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Alan Marshall
(Peter Dyer) writes:
>
>> I don't know if it is still bottle conditioned, but it certainly used to
>> be. I worked in a bottling plant in Edinburgh while I was at nautical
>> college, many moons ago and we used to bottle Guinness. Naturally, I had
>> a few swalleys and ended up in extreme pain. Seemingly, the stuff was
>> left in the bottle for six weeks after bottling, before being sent to
>> the pubs etc.
>
> Bottled Guiness sold in the U.K was all bottle conditioned up until around 1
> year ago, when it was dropped. I think all of the Guiness for the U.K market
> is now bottled by the Sheperd Neame brewery.
>
> Can't speak for Ireland itself, but I am fairly sure that none of the bottled
> Guiness outside Ireland is now bottle conditioned.
The Guinness FAQt and Folklore, available at sierra,stanfrod.edu
/pub/homebrew/rfdb/ states the the only bottle-conditioned Guinness is
made in Ireland, for the Irish market. I forgot whether I included
the statement that if you find bottle conditioned Guinness anywhere
else, it is bootlegged. My source is MJ's Beer Companion.
BTW, This is the second post I've seen that suggests that the Shpeherd
Neame brewery is producing Guinness for the UK. Can someone confirm
this for me, please?
Mike Westbrook
-}Peter Dyer (pe...@tasdir.demon.co.uk) wrote:
-}
-}: If I am writing America, or United States of America, I use a preceding capital
-}: letter. Is England so poorly looked upon by you guys as to make it unecessary
-}: to do so ?
-}
-}not at all.... it is just that some of us are very lazy and the
-}thought having to push two computer keys at a time.. letter + shift
-}gives us palpatations :)
Just think of the shift key as a keyboard accelerator that reduces the number of
keystrokes needed for followup postings.
Unless, of course, the real reason is that an excessive consumption of barley
sandwiches has reduced the brain-to-keyboard interface to the two index fingers
on your right hands...
> Mike
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"So *that's* what Tiggers like!"
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Leo P Reilly
>>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Buss <tb...@fred.fhcrc.org> writes:
> Tim> Guinness Question
> Tim> Guinness is certainly brewed and bottled (under license) in England. The
> Tim> Greene King brewery in Bury St. Edmunds bottles the stuff (comes in a big
> Tim> tanker!!). A lot of the draught Guinness sold in England is also brewed
> Tim> there.
> Tim> I think that bottled Guinness from Ireland is bottle-conditioned, and the
> Tim> stuff brewed and bottled in England is not. This is why it isn't as good
> Tim> as the real thing.
> Tim> As to the draught Guinness sold here in the US I don't know. Guinness
> Tim> must have offices here in the US somewhere, maybe contact them??
>My understanding (from a homebrew book by Micheal Jackson (not the
>singer) I think) is that the Guinness on tap in America is brewed in
>Jammaca.
>One thing I am sure of, the American version has a much higher alcohol
>content (6%) than the Irish version (3%). The reason for this is that
>beer in Ireland is taxed on alcohol content and the lower content
>allows them the keep the price of a pint about 20p lower than the
>standard lagers.
>In America, OTOH, beer is taxed by sale price, and so alcohol content
>doesn't matter.
>I do know that when drinking 10 pints in NYC I get drunk, drinking 10
>pints in Dublin and I do not. My brother has noticed the same thing.
10 pints and you don't get drunk! Wow!
Maybe its my age, but 10 pints of diet coke and I'm looped!
Seriously, the alcohol content of stout is generally lower, tax
or no tax, but when I was in Ireland one pint of anything was all
I could take. I must say that it helps to live over there for
awhile. When I lived in England I could regularly do 2 pints and
go home and work. Course I was 25 then. Now if I do a pint all
I can do is......sleep.
Doyen T. Klein
> I recently ran into a rather obnoxious englishmen who claimed
> that the Guinness Draught (the kegs not the cans) we get here
> in the States is actually brewed in England. This does not square
> with what I was told by the various pub proprieters that I spoke
> with on my last trip to Ireland. In fact many of them said what
> we get here is the same stuff they have there just a few days
A bar tender in Santa Monica told me that all imported
beers come to the US in tankers, they take Months!
to get here and all have formaldehyde and other noxious
chemicals added. Can anyone out there substanstiate this?
I know the Guiness in Canada tasted much different, and I
have personally been disapointed with the aluminum can
versions vs. keg or bottle.
I have noticed a big variety in different establishments
keg Guiness. Do you think some guys are getting fresher beer
than others ???
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Alan Marshall
Klein) writes:
>
> A bar tender in Santa Monica told me that all imported
> beers come to the US in tankers, they take Months!
> to get here and all have formaldehyde and other noxious
> chemicals added. Can anyone out there substanstiate this?
Now think about this. The guy probably read this in the national
enquirer.
> I know the Guiness in Canada tasted much different, and I
> have personally been disapointed with the aluminum can
> versions vs. keg or bottle.
Read the Guinness FAQt and Folklore (available via anonymous FTP at
sierra.stanford.edu in /pub/homebrew/rfdb/). Bottled Guinness in
North America is a completely different beer. It like saying Anchor
Liberty does taste the same as Anchor Steam/
> I have noticed a big variety in different establishments
> keg Guiness. Do you think some guys are getting fresher beer
> than others ???
There could be a number of factors: Turnover, care of the equipment,
cleaning, etc.
bab...@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
rites:
>>I do know that when drinking 10 pints in NYC I get drunk, drinking 10
>>pints in Dublin and I do not. My brother has noticed the same thing.
The real question here is that of price. Ill bet the beer in Ireland, though
half the Alcohol is probably one third the price as NYC!! So your STILL
getting more for your money, 50% for all you number freaks out there.
Of course this is all speculation so please, flame gently.
Cheers
Bruce>
David Draper
>half the Alcohol is probably one third the price as NYC!! So your STILL
>getting more for your money, 50% for all you number freaks out there.
I'm not a number freak, but a pint of Guinness in the UK (ok, it's not
Ireland, but it's gotta be close) costs about #1.70 sterling, at current
rates that's about what, $2.75? Does a pint of Guinness in NYC cost
triple that, or $8.25?!?!? I find that hard to believe. So what does a
pint of Guinness cost in the States? When visiting my folks in S.
California over the holidays, I had a bottle of the "Original Extra
Stout", a 12-oz'er, and I think the cost was about $2.50 to $3 US. Any
body else want to offer some price info??
Cheers, Dave in Sydney
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Edward Hartnett
b> n article <2o4jb6$i...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, rei...@cats.ucsc.edu (Leo P Reilly) w
rites>
>>> I do know that when drinking 10 pints in NYC I get drunk, drinking 10
>>> pints in Dublin and I do not. My brother has noticed the same thing.
b> The real question here is that of price. Ill bet the beer in Ireland, though
b> half the Alcohol is probably one third the price as NYC!! So your STILL
b> getting more for your money, 50% for all you number freaks out there.
b> Of course this is all speculation so please, flame gently.
When I left Dublin 2 years ago the cheapest place I knew was 1.53 for
a pint.
In NYC, about the same time, it was $3 per pint.
So, at an exchange rate of 1.6 dollars/punt that makes the Dublin pint
about $.5 less than the NYC pint.
But the Dublin pint tastes a *lot* better!
Ulick Stafford
Edward Hartnett <e...@larry.gsfc.nasa.gov> wrote:
>When I left Dublin 2 years ago the cheapest place I knew was 1.53 for
>a pint.
>
>In NYC, about the same time, it was $3 per pint.
>
>So, at an exchange rate of 1.6 dollars/punt that makes the Dublin pint
>about $.5 less than the NYC pint.
>
>But the Dublin pint tastes a *lot* better!
The last time I was in Dublin a pint was #1.80-#1.90. The last time I was
in Manhatten it was about $5.50, and at and exchange rate of $1.45 = #1,
I'd say, that pricy and all as it is, the Dublin price is still much less
that the New York price.
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Doyen T. Klein
>(Peter Dyer) wrote:
>> If I am writing America, or United States of America, I use a preceding capital
>> letter. Is England so poorly looked upon by you guys as to make it unecessary
Jeez, this guy is sensitive. What about ee cummings who made a career
out of i?
You know what kind of beer he drank don't you? (quick somebody
step in a start a thread of beer choices of famous but sensitive
authors. ie Hem oops, hemmingway drank a manly beer)
I would venture that most of the people here think VERY HIGHLY OF
ENGLAND for their advancment of the beer brewing cause.
come on peter, have a drink and lighten up.
Edward Hartnett
U> The last time I was in Dublin a pint was #1.80-#1.90. The last time I was
U> in Manhatten it was about $5.50, and at and exchange rate of $1.45 = #1,
U> I'd say, that pricy and all as it is, the Dublin price is still much less
U> that the New York price.
Ah, sorry, I should have been more clear. Beer is much cheaper in
Queens than in Manhatten.
In fact, everything is much cheaper anywhere outside of Manhatten!
Peter Dyer
> ENGLAND for their advancment of the beer brewing cause.
> come on peter, have a drink and lighten up.
Very nice to know ! I am for one delighted not only that home brewing is so
widespread in the U.S, but that most of the styles and specific beers named are
also British (and Irish).
As for my earlier post, whilst I was subsequently somewhat sheepish for flaming
such a minor point of etiquette, you must admit that it has provoked quite a lot
of debate.
As Oscar Wilde said (noteable Guiness drinker), there is only one thing worse
than being talked about, and that is not being talked about :)
Regards
Pete Dyer
P.S Has spring sprung over there yet ? We are still in the depths of winter
here :(
bab...@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
pe...@tasdir.demon.co.uk (Peter Dyer) writes:
(all talk of etiquette deleted rudely)
>
>Regards
>Pete Dyer
>
>P.S Has spring sprung over there yet ? We are still in the depths of winter
> here :(
Well Mr. Dyer this depends on what part of the country you are referring to.
Down in my home town of Atlanta, GA it has been 70 degrees for the last month.
But in this armpit of a town that I presently live it snowed (8 inches) about a
week ago. And has since been 50 degrees and rainy. What town, you ask??
rochester, new york (note the lack of capitals, due to an extreme dislike of my
locale)
Cheers
Bruce
Gregory...@afs.com
Caribbean area. Hand painted signs on walls all over the island stated:
Guinness
[picture of a pint]
It's good for you
Is this Guinness' usual slogan? Could it be true?
Later,
Greg
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Brendan J. Quirk
vs. Ire.), has anyone considered the question of the size? I
think Ireland uses the imperial gallon (as did Canada), so an
Irish pint should be 5/4 as large as a U.S. one. They certainly
seem bigger to me! Any comments??
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[Any evidence of real discussion removed]
>
>P.S Has spring sprung over there yet ? We are still in the depths of winter
> here :(
>
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I'm at about 5,000 feet in Bozeman, MT, and we have been having highs of 65-70
degrees, sunny and warm. Time to take the brew out on a Picnic!!
Cameron
(DavidDraper) says:
>
>I'm not a number freak, but a pint of Guinness in the UK (ok, it's not
>Ireland, but it's gotta be close) costs about #1.70 sterling, at current
>rates that's about what, $2.75? Does a pint of Guinness in NYC cost
>triple that, or $8.25?!?!? I find that hard to believe. So what does a
>pint of Guinness cost in the States? When visiting my folks in S.
I'm a New Yorker, currently residing in Pennsylvania. I must admit, I don't
remember what Guinness goes for in the City. When I'm home I usually assume
it's too expensive for my budget (that of a grad student of vacation.) I can
cite prices for central Pennsylvania, however. In my local, a pint of
Guinness goes for $3.25. That's an English pint, mind you, 20 oz. What It
would cost back in NY would depend on where you are. I have in the past
payed $6 for a 12 oz. bottle of Rolling Rock. On that scale a pint of Guinness
for over $8 would not be inconceivable, not that I would pay it, of course.
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Steve McKinty - SunConnect ICNC
> I'm not a number freak, but a pint of Guinness in the UK (ok, it's not
> Ireland, but it's gotta be close) costs about #1.70 sterling, at current
> rates that's about what, $2.75? Does a pint of Guinness in NYC cost
> triple that, or $8.25?!?!? I find that hard to believe. So what does a
> pint of Guinness cost in the States? When visiting my folks in S.
> California over the holidays, I had a bottle of the "Original Extra
> Stout", a 12-oz'er, and I think the cost was about $2.50 to $3 US. Any
> body else want to offer some price info??
1 pint (a real,one, not 500ml) of Guinness here in Grenoble (France)
is 38F, which translates to just over 4 quid, or $6.
Steve
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Brendan Perry
Guinness in the Washington DC area varies from about $3.25 to $4.75 and
also varies between for 12 ounces and for an Imperial pint. Mostly I
think they are for American (16floz) Pints. In my hometown near Philly,
I can get a 10 oz mug for $1.75.
BTW, any word on the 'Win a Pub in Ireland Sweepstakes' sponsored
by Guinness? At 'The Dubliner' in DC, I chanced upon an entry form
for a contest sponsored by Guinness in which if you wrote a 50 word
essay on 'Your perfect pint o' Guinness', you could win a real live
pub in the Irish town of 'Cove' (sorry, I forget how it's really spelled,
I just remembered that it was pronounced in English as Cove). Believe
you me, it's TOUGH to write 50 words on your perfect pint, and because
it's too SHORT! That's 3 or 4 sentences! Anyway, I filled out the form
at the bar during St Patrick's day festivities. The rules say they'll
pick the winners, send them to Ireland, then they have to compete in
Darts, THEN write another 50 word essay, and the true and golden
deserver of the pub will be chosen then. First round is on me when
I win!!! :)
cheers,
Brendan
Pierre Jelenc
Steve McKinty - SunConnect ICNC <smck...@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM> wrote:
>In article <2odaka$m...@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au>, ddr...@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (David Draper) writes:
>
>> I'm not a number freak, but a pint of Guinness in the UK (ok, it's not
>> Ireland, but it's gotta be close) costs about #1.70 sterling, at current
>> rates that's about what, $2.75? Does a pint of Guinness in NYC cost
>> triple that, or $8.25?!?!? I find that hard to believe. So what does a
>> pint of Guinness cost in the States? When visiting my folks in S.
>> California over the holidays, I had a bottle of the "Original Extra
>> Stout", a 12-oz'er, and I think the cost was about $2.50 to $3 US. Any
>> body else want to offer some price info??
>
>
>1 pint (a real,one, not 500ml) of Guinness here in Grenoble (France)
>is 38F, which translates to just over 4 quid, or $6.
In New York's pubs and bars (i.e. not night-clubs or restaurants) an
imperial pint (650 ml) costs roughly between $3.50 and $5 depending on
location, trendiness, etc.
Pierre
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Doyen T. Klein
Anyone know where I can get some?
Dennis Bartley
Cameron <CX...@psuvm.psu.edu> wrote:
>In article <2odaka$m...@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au>, ddr...@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au
>(DavidDraper) says:
>>
>>I'm not a number freak, but a pint of Guinness in the UK (ok, it's not
>>Ireland, but it's gotta be close) costs about #1.70 sterling, at current
>>rates that's about what, $2.75? Does a pint of Guinness in NYC cost
>>triple that, or $8.25?!?!? I find that hard to believe. So what does a
>>pint of Guinness cost in the States? When visiting my folks in S.
>
>I'm a New Yorker, currently residing in Pennsylvania. I must admit, I don't
>remember what Guinness goes for in the City. When I'm home I usually assume
>it's too expensive for my budget (that of a grad student of vacation.) I can
>cite prices for central Pennsylvania, however. In my local, a pint of
>Guinness goes for $3.25. That's an English pint, mind you, 20 oz. What It
>would cost back in NY would depend on where you are. I have in the past
>payed $6 for a 12 oz. bottle of Rolling Rock. On that scale a pint of Guinness
>for over $8 would not be inconceivable, not that I would pay it, of course.
>
to those in your local. In Chicago, it's usually $3. Now I can't attest to
how it compares in quality to a pint drawn in Ireland/England...
Del Cotter
ddr...@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (David Draper) writes:
>I'm not a number freak, but a pint of Guinness in the UK (ok, it's not
>Ireland, but it's gotta be close) costs about #1.70 sterling, at current
>rates that's about what, $2.75? Does a pint of Guinness in NYC cost
>triple that, or $8.25?!?!? I find that hard to believe.
Yikes! David, #1.70 is the price of Guinness in London! Do not at all
costs equate this with the price anywhere else in the British Isles and
especially not Ireland!
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The Recluse
: ddr...@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (David Draper) writes:
:
: >I'm not a number freak, but a pint of Guinness in the UK (ok, it's not
: >Ireland, but it's gotta be close) costs about #1.70 sterling, at current
: >rates that's about what, $2.75? Does a pint of Guinness in NYC cost
: >triple that, or $8.25?!?!? I find that hard to believe.
Del Cotter (mt9...@brunel.ac.uk) wrote:
:
: Yikes! David, #1.70 is the price of Guinness in London! Do not at all
: costs equate this with the price anywhere else in the British Isles and
: especially not Ireland!
A pint of Guinness here in New Orleans, LA USA costs around US$2.75
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Steve Glover
: Del Cotter (mt9...@brunel.ac.uk) wrote:
: :
: : Yikes! David, #1.70 is the price of Guinness in London! Do not at all
: : costs equate this with the price anywhere else in the British Isles and
: : especially not Ireland!
: A pint of Guinness here in New Orleans, LA USA costs around US$2.75
Yes, but is that a tiddly US pint (16oz) or an "Imperial" 20oz one.
The only good thing the English ever did was introduce a standard size that's
actually drinkable. Litres are too big, half litres and US pints too small...
However, they compensated with the 1/6 Gill (1/24th UK pint) Spirit measure.
Scots standard is usually 1/5 Gill (1floz), and back in Ireland 1/4s were
quite common (1/16 UK pint)....
A 'glass' in an Irish pub tends to be a half of beer or a double od spirit.
bestest
Steve
Ulick Stafford
Brendan J. Quirk <bj...@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU> wrote:
>After all the discussion on the relative prices of a pint (U.S.
>vs. Ire.), has anyone considered the question of the size? I
>think Ireland uses the imperial gallon (as did Canada), so an
>Irish pint should be 5/4 as large as a U.S. one. They certainly
>seem bigger to me! Any comments??
In some cases the glases were imperial pints. The imperial pint is more
like 6/5 time the US pint. The reason it is not 5/4 as you suspect is
that the fluid ounce is different. A 12 fl oz beer bottle is 341 ml in Cnada
(imp) and 356 ml in the US. From these figure that actual ratio could be
calculate (left as an excercise).
Brett Barnett
At O'Flaherty's Pub in New Orleans, it is $3.50 a pint. At other places around New Orleans, I have seen it for $3.00 for large plastic cup (a little smaller than a pint).
-BBB
Thomas H Page
>The Recluse (tre...@netcom.com) wrote:
>bestest
>Steve
Having said that though Scottish pints include the head. The Glasses are exact
pint's as opposed to having a pint line on the side. Oh for the record I bought
a couple of Guinesses yesterday for #1.50.. Jinty McGintys The glaswegian
Guinness specialists charge #1.70 if I remember rightly and it's probably the best you'll find this side of Stranraer.
Bester still
Tom Page
University of Glasgow
Edward Hartnett
B> After all the discussion on the relative prices of a pint (U.S.
B> vs. Ire.), has anyone considered the question of the size? I
B> think Ireland uses the imperial gallon (as did Canada), so an
B> Irish pint should be 5/4 as large as a U.S. one. They certainly
B> seem bigger to me! Any comments??
B> --
B> Brendan Quirk bj...@Virginia.EDU
B> University of Virginia, Charlottesville
Of course - you are absolutely correct.
But all the bars in Queens (NYC) that I have had the wonderful black
gold in have used Irish (20 oz) pints.
All the bars in D.C. that I have had it in use the American (16 oz)
pint.
So things are not always bigger in America after all!!!
I sure wish I was sitting down to a pint in the Palace right now...
William Gray
Here in Toronto a pint of Guinness (Imperial) will run around $5 Cdn.
Given the current US exchange rate, I would guess that's between
$3.50 and $4.00 US. There is one bar here (The Bow & Arrow at
Davisville for any TO people) has $3.50 weekends where all pints are,
surprisingly enough, $3.50 ($2.75US).
Every 'pint' glass I've seen here has been the same. Almost wide enough
to fit a fist in, with a little bulb thiny near the top. No pint lines,
so the head is part of your pint. Which leads to some inexperienced
bartenders to overflow the damn thing, leaving you with a tad more beer but no
head to speak of.
Which leads to another question: how thick (size) should the head be on a
properly poured Guinness? Most of the ones I've seen have been about 1-2cm.
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gr...@cmiti02.dow.on.doe.ca "William Gray" writes:
>Every 'pint' glass I've seen here has been the same. Almost wide enough
>to fit a fist in, with a little bulb thiny near the top. No pint lines,
>so the head is part of your pint. Which leads to some inexperienced
>bartenders to overflow the damn thing, leaving you with a tad more beer but no
>head to speak of.
Assuming that they don't have lined glasses, that's exactly how they should
be serving it. The beer all over the floor is their problem.
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Ulick Stafford
William Gray <gr...@cmiti02.dow.on.doe.ca> wrote:
>so the head is part of your pint. Which leads to some inexperienced
>bartenders to overflow the damn thing, leaving you with a tad more beer but no
>head to speak of.
>
>Which leads to another question: how thick (size) should the head be on a
>properly poured Guinness? Most of the ones I've seen have been about 1-2cm.
It sounds like the inexperienced bartenders are serving excellent pints
from the customers point of view. Pints with large heads are referred to as
bishops and should always be returned for a top up. Obviously the more head
the less beer and the more 'pints' that can be pulled from the keg.
fmil...@brynmawr.edu
>In article <grayw.91...@cmiti02.dow.on.doe.ca>,
>William Gray <gr...@cmiti02.dow.on.doe.ca> wrote:
>>so the head is part of your pint. Which leads to some inexperienced
>>bartenders to overflow the damn thing, leaving you with a tad more beer but no
>>head to speak of.
>>
>>Which leads to another question: how thick (size) should the head be on a
>>properly poured Guinness? Most of the ones I've seen have been about 1-2cm.
>
>It sounds like the inexperienced bartenders are serving excellent pints
>from the customers point of view. Pints with large heads are referred to as
>bishops and should always be returned for a top up. Obviously the more head
>the less beer and the more 'pints' that can be pulled from the keg.
When I was in Ireland (in '85), the bartenders would pour it right down the
middle so the whole glass was head (some would even twirl the glass around
and form a shamrock design on the top of the head, nice touch). Then, they
said to 'let it rest'. And in a minute or two, it would settle down, leaving
a nice, creamy, head about a half-inch thick.
Recently, I saw for sale at our local distributor, 'Pub Guinness', which
comes in a can. Has anybody tried this? I seem to recall mention of it quite
some time ago and that the can contained a charge of nitrogen that was supposed
to achieve the classic Guinness head. Is this true?
Frank
Brendan Perry
wrote:
My ex-red-haired-girlfriend-whos-parents-owned-a-bar told me that if they
put a 1 inch head on their 10 oz beers, they could get 60 more glasses out
of a keg. They only charged $0.60 for a beer, so people didn't complain
too much, but they also didn't really TRY to stiff everyone (it was a
small corner bar/restaurant). She was just stating it matter-of-factly.
No, I haven't done the calculations myself, and yes, this is a keg of
Ortliebs (Joe's Beer) or Rolling Rock, or Schmidts or Bud.
Cheers,
Brendan
Patrick P. Murphy
fm> Recently, I saw for sale at our local distributor, 'Pub Guinness', which
fm> comes in a can. Has anybody tried this? I seem to recall mention of it
fm> quite some time ago and that the can contained a charge of nitrogen that
fm> was supposed to achieve the classic Guinness head. Is this true?
It's been way too long since I had the "real" thing :-( but I can attest
that (a) the Draught-Guinness-in-a-can does generate a nice creamy head, and
(b) compared to some of the less notable pints I remember from Dublin in the
late 70's, the taste is quite good. In other words, you'll probably do
better with the real thing but this is the next best substitute.
Definitely better to impress a neophyte with than the bottled stuff.
- Pat
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David Nowotnik
>I just got back from vacation in St. Lucia, a british island in the
>Caribbean area. Hand painted signs on walls all over the island stated:
>
> Guinness
> [picture of a pint]
> It's good for you
That brought back memories! Haven't seen that slogan in YEARS. Sure, it
was used as an advertising solgan in the UK for a very long time,
although it was just "Guinness is good for you" then. I think it is
based upon the high mineral content.
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David Morning
>Recently, I saw for sale at our local distributor, 'Pub Guinness', which
>comes in a can. Has anybody tried this? I seem to recall mention of it quite
>some time ago and that the can contained a charge of nitrogen that was supposed
>to achieve the classic Guinness head. Is this true?
It's called Draught Guiness here. Comes in a can fitted with a widget in the
base and yes, it does a reasonable facsimile of a tap drawn head if you
follow the instructions. If you don't, and daly, you end up with Guiness all
over you as it starts to foam out of the can.
The plastic widget is the key to the head.
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Edward Hartnett
U> In article <grayw.91...@cmiti02.dow.on.doe.ca>,
U> William Gray <gr...@cmiti02.dow.on.doe.ca> wrote:
>> so the head is part of your pint. Which leads to some inexperienced
>> bartenders to overflow the damn thing, leaving you with a tad more beer but no
>> head to speak of.
>>
>> Which leads to another question: how thick (size) should the head be on a
>> properly poured Guinness? Most of the ones I've seen have been about 1-2cm.
U> It sounds like the inexperienced bartenders are serving excellent pints
U> from the customers point of view. Pints with large heads are referred to as
U> bishops and should always be returned for a top up. Obviously the more head
U> the less beer and the more 'pints' that can be pulled from the keg.
U> _____________________________________________________________________________
Why are they called bishops?
Robert S. Mear
>From: fmil...@brynmawr.edu
>Subject: Re: Guinness Question
>Date: 19 Apr 1994 20:45:39 GMT
>Frank
I was in Ireland just last summer and they still let it rest after the
initial pour. They also filled up the glass before serving it. Value for the
Punt matters there. I have also tried the canned Guinness and find it
considerably better than bottled. Closest thing yet to real draft.
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Alan Marshall
e...@larry.gsfc.nasa.gov (Edward Hartnett) writes:
>>>>>> "U" == Ulick Stafford <ul...@ulix.cheg.nd.edu> writes:
>
> U> In article <grayw.91...@cmiti02.dow.on.doe.ca>,
> U> William Gray <gr...@cmiti02.dow.on.doe.ca> wrote:
> >> so the head is part of your pint. Which leads to some inexperienced
> >> bartenders to overflow the damn thing, leaving you with a tad more beer
> >> but no head to speak of.
> >>
> >> Which leads to another question: how thick (size) should the head be on a
> >> properly poured Guinness? Most of the ones I've seen have been about
> >> 1-2cm.
>
> U> It sounds like the inexperienced bartenders are serving excellent pints
> U> from the customers point of view. Pints with large heads are referred to
> U> more head the less beer and the more 'pints' that can be pulled from the
> U> keg.
> U> _________________________________________________________________________
>
>
> Why are they called bishops?
Obvously, because they have thick heads!
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:
:Why are they called bishops?
Because they're F***ing close to water! *chuckle*
sorry, but I'm in rather a manic phase today, trying to catch up after all
this depression lately :P
Actually it probably refers to the bishop's big white hats..
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Tom Huot
: Recently, I saw for sale at our local distributor, 'Pub Guinness', which
: comes in a can. Has anybody tried this? I seem to recall mention of it quite
: some time ago and that the can contained a charge of nitrogen that was
: supposed to achieve the classic Guinness head. Is this true?
The Pub Guinness is excellent. However the nitrogen charge is just a
rumor. I opened a can up just to find out what did give the classic
Guinness head and all I found was a round plastic disc, which seems to
spin when you pour the ale into a glass.
--
Tom Huot
Ulick Stafford
Edward Hartnett <e...@larry.gsfc.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>>>>> "U" == Ulick Stafford <ul...@ulix.cheg.nd.edu> writes:
> U> from the customers point of view. Pints with large heads are referred to as
> U> bishops and should always be returned for a top up. Obviously the more head
> U> the less beer and the more 'pints' that can be pulled from the keg.
> U> _____________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>Why are they called bishops?
They have large collars.
Robert Kershaw
for $1.75 per can. Not a bad price, also you get teh creamy head from
the special can..
--RSK
Brendan J. Quirk
in Ireland in 1983. The bottles came from the store with a
plastic device to inject air into your Guinness after poured.
This was supposed to give a good head. We called this device,
of course, a "Guinness Gooser". Anyone remember this?
--
Brendan Quirk bj...@Virginia.EDU
University of Virginia, Charlottesville
Craig Cockburn
rker...@ic1d.harris.com "Robert Kershaw" writes:
They're about 75p a can wholesale here, about L1.20 in the shops.
--
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Joel Plutchak
Yow, more misinformation, though you get points for creativity. The
truth is that nitrogen *is* used, though most people cut corners on the
explanation and say the insert is filled with nitrogen, which isn't
exactly true. Here's the scoop, culled from a past rec.food.drink posting:
> The problem has always been the fact that draught Guinness is (or should be)
> dispensed with a mixture of Nitrogen and CO2 gasses rather than the
> conventional CO2 alone. The nitrogen is used because it makes very fine
> bubbles while it is not absorbed into the brew as the CO2 is, thus it does not
> "over-carbonate" the beer. Also a special faucet is preferred which, in
> combination with the gasses, creates that wonderful creamy brown head which
> lasts to the bottom of the glass. The new can combines the original kegged
> stout recipe with technology which creates the draught effect to a tee.
>
> Dr. Alan Forage, creator of the technology, was on hand to explain the
> mechanics of the new can. This is the way the system works: The 16.9 ounce
> can (containing 14.9 ounces of beer) is fitted with a small plastic device
> (Guinness calls it a "smoothifier") which sits in the bottom of the can. This
> device has a pocket or cavity which is open to the atmosphere via a pin hole
> in its top. The can is evacuated of oxygen and filled with beer. Prior to
> sealing the can, a dose of liquid nitrogen is added to the beer. The can is
> closed and as the liquid nitrogen warms a pressure is created. The pressure
> forces about 1% of the beer and nitrogen into the plastic cavity. When the
> can is opened, the pressure is released and the small amount of beer in the
> cavity is forced back through the pinhole quite violently. The agitation
> created by this "geyser" mixes the nitrogen with the beer in such a way as to
> reproduce the tap handle character. Open up the first empty can you have in
> order to see what the "smoothifier" looks like.
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Rob Ingram
|> In article <EJH.94Ap...@larry.gsfc.nasa.gov>,
|> Edward Hartnett <e...@larry.gsfc.nasa.gov> wrote:
|> >>>>>> "U" == Ulick Stafford <ul...@ulix.cheg.nd.edu> writes:
|> > U> from the customers point of view. Pints with large heads are referred to as
|> > U> bishops and should always be returned for a top up. Obviously the more head
|> > U> the less beer and the more 'pints' that can be pulled from the keg.
|> > U> _____________________________________________________________________________
|> >
|> >
|> >Why are they called bishops?
|>
|> They have large collars.
No, no, no! Beer is supposed to have a head. Especially Guinness.
When did you last see a picture of a pint of guinness which was just
a solid black glass? Obviously this shouldn't take up half the glass
but it should be present.
Rob.
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Rob Ingram
Sorry but this is completely wrong. The Nitrogen rumour is
in fact TRUE. What did you expect to see, a mini nitrogen
cylinder in the bottom of the can?
The disk holds the Nitrogen under pressure which is released
through a small hole when the pressure of the can is changed
through opening it.
David Morning
>In article <1994Apr20.1...@walter.cray.com>, hu...@cray.com (Tom Huot) writes:
>|> fmil...@brynmawr.edu wrote:
>|>
>|> : Recently, I saw for sale at our local distributor, 'Pub Guinness', which
>|> : comes in a can. Has anybody tried this? I seem to recall mention of it quite
>|> : some time ago and that the can contained a charge of nitrogen that was
>|> : supposed to achieve the classic Guinness head. Is this true?
>|>
>|> The Pub Guinness is excellent. However the nitrogen charge is just a
>|> rumor. I opened a can up just to find out what did give the classic
>|> Guinness head and all I found was a round plastic disc, which seems to
>|> spin when you pour the ale into a glass.
>|>
>Sorry but this is completely wrong. The Nitrogen rumour is
>in fact TRUE. What did you expect to see, a mini nitrogen
>cylinder in the bottom of the can?
>The disk holds the Nitrogen under pressure which is released
>through a small hole when the pressure of the can is changed
>through opening it.
Not so. the disk holds Guinness in it. When the pressure is released by
opening the can, the Guinness in the plastic thingey skooshes out and brings
up the head. The gas is a mix of CO2 and Nitrogen.
A friend brought back a few bottles of Guinness back from Dublin a few years
back. They came with a syringe which performed the same function. Sook up
some of the flat looking Guinness in your tumbler, keep the syringe submerged
and skoosh it back in. Magically the classic Guinness head appeared.
Edward Hartnett
Rob> In article <2p3uqo$l...@news.nd.edu>, ul...@ulix.cheg.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:
>>> In article <EJH.94Ap...@larry.gsfc.nasa.gov>,
>>> Edward Hartnett <e...@larry.gsfc.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>> >>>>>> "U" == Ulick Stafford <ul...@ulix.cheg.nd.edu> writes:
>>> > U> from the customers point of view. Pints with large heads are referred to as
>>> > U> bishops and should always be returned for a top up. Obviously the more head
>>> > U> the less beer and the more 'pints' that can be pulled from the keg.
>>> > U> _____________________________________________________________________________
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Why are they called bishops?
>>>
>>> They have large collars.
Rob> No, no, no! Beer is supposed to have a head. Especially Guinness.
Rob> When did you last see a picture of a pint of guinness which was just
Rob> a solid black glass? Obviously this shouldn't take up half the glass
Rob> but it should be present.
This reminds me of a truely horrible experience I had in a bar in
Philadelphia called "The New Deck." My friend was playing piano there
and I dropped by and he told the bartender to give me a free beer. I
asked for Guinness. He poured it and it was so flat that it was dead
black - not even one bubble. When he had filled the pint glass almost
all the way up he moved it underneath the Bud tap and shot out a
little foamy bud to give it a head.
I was so disgusted. If it wasn't a free beer I would have been
*screaming* and maybe would have cut the bartender's head off with my
pocketknife. As it was I simply thanked him and just left it untouched
on the bar.
The amazing thing about it is that he did this right in front of me,
knowing I was watching him. Apparently he didn't think it was unusual
or bad in any way. In fact I saw hime do it again later than night for
some other people - drunk college students. No wonder Guinness has a
bad reputation (for taste) in this country!
Naturally I notified the Guinness hit squad and they eliminated him.
It was the most horrifying experience of my life.
Matthew Carlson
>>Sorry but this is completely wrong. The Nitrogen rumour is in fact TRUE.
>
>opening the can, the Guinness in the plastic thingey skooshes out and brings
>up the head. The gas is a mix of CO2 and Nitrogen.
Yes, the third is the charm. Here's the real scoop. Sorry for lack of proper
credit to the original author, but let's clear this up once again.
The device was called a Smoothifier. Don't know what award it [won].
There's been lots of speculation, information, and misinformation in this and
other forums about how it works. Marlene Spears, a member of the Boston Wort
Processors, took the time to look up the device in the Patent Gazette. Her
article appeared in the last issue of "Brewprint", the newsletter of the Boston
Wort Processors, and I've reprinted part of it below. Drink about 6 cans of
the new Pub Draught Guinness, then read the following three times fast:
"1. A beverage package comprising a sealed, non-resealable, container having a
primary chamber containing beverage having gas in solution therewith and forming
a primary headspace comprising gas at a pressure greater than atmospheric;
enclosure means defining a secondary chamber having a volume less than said
primary chamber; restrictor means defining a restricted orifice, said secondary
chamber communicating with the beverage in said primary chamber through said
restricted orifice; said secondary chamber containing beverage supplied thereto
from the beverage in the primary chamber and having a secondary headspace
therein comprising a gas at a pressure greater than atmospheric so that the
pressures within the primary and secondary chambers are substantially at
equilibrium; said container is openable to expose the primary headspace to
atmospheric pressure, and wherein the secondary chamber is arranged so that
upon opening of the container the pressure differential caused by the decrease
in pressure at the primary headspace causes beverage in the secondary chamber
to be ejected by way of the restricted orifice into the beverage of the primary
chamber and said ejection causes gas in the solution to be evolved and form, or
assist in the formation of, a head of froth on the beverage."
--
David Paul
>In article (Tom Huot) writes:
>|> fmil...@brynmawr.edu wrote:
>|>
>|> : Recently, I saw for sale at our local distributor, 'Pub Guinness', which
>|> : comes in a can. Has anybody tried this? I seem to recall mention of it quite
>|> : some time ago and that the can contained a charge of nitrogen that was
>|> : supposed to achieve the classic Guinness head. Is this true?
>|>
>|> The Pub Guinness is excellent. However the nitrogen charge is just a
>|> rumor. I opened a can up just to find out what did give the classic
>|> Guinness head and all I found was a round plastic disc, which seems to
>|> spin when you pour the ale into a glass.
>|>
>Sorry but this is completely wrong. The Nitrogen rumour is
>in fact TRUE. What did you expect to see, a mini nitrogen
>cylinder in the bottom of the can?
>The disk holds the Nitrogen under pressure which is released
>through a small hole when the pressure of the can is changed
>through opening it.
If I remember my jr-high science correctly. The majority of the air we breath
is Nitrogen. So, if Guinness uses it in their Pub Beer, is shouldn't be any
worse than charging a keg artificially with carbon dioxide.
PS. Personally, I think the best way to imitate the Guinness taste is brew
your own and use very little priming sugar. I wouldn't serve canned beer to
my dog.
Joel Plutchak
>>>|> The Pub Guinness is excellent. ...the nitrogen charge is just a rumor.
>>
>>>Sorry but this is completely wrong. The Nitrogen rumour is in fact TRUE.
>>
>>Not so. the disk holds Guinness in it. When the pressure is released by
>>opening the can, the Guinness in the plastic thingey skooshes out and brings
>>up the head. The gas is a mix of CO2 and Nitrogen.
>
>Yes, the third is the charm. Here's the real scoop. Sorry for lack of proper
>credit to the original author, but let's clear this up once again.
>
>The device was called a Smoothifier. Don't know what award it [won].
[...technical description deleted...]
I think the third and fourth (deleted) explanations said the same thing.
The third explanation has the advantage of being concise and readable.
sew...@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
>
>Not so. the disk holds Guinness in it. When the pressure is released by
>opening the can, the Guinness in the plastic thingey skooshes out and brings
>up the head. The gas is a mix of CO2 and Nitrogen.
>
fool of yourself. The mere fact that your terminology is equal to my nephew's
steals any semblance of credibility from your weak argument. Further, if you
are aware of the principles of basic pressurization, you will realize that the
cartridge does not have to be sealed in the can to keep the gas segregated from
the beer. Equal pressure in conjunction with the tiny hole suffices.
Upon equalization of can to atmosphere pressure, the plastic cartridge
equalizes as well. Thus the release of pressurized NITROUS OXIDE (laughing
gas) and the creation of the rich creamy head.
any questions?
cheers,
scott
Gary A. Whitten
> n article <2o4jb6$i...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, rei...@cats.ucsc.edu (Leo P Reilly
> rites:
>
>
> >>I do know that when drinking 10 pints in NYC I get drunk, drinking 10
> >>pints in Dublin and I do not. My brother has noticed the same thing.
>
>
> The real question here is that of price. Ill bet the beer in Ireland, thoug
> half the Alcohol is probably one third the price as NYC!! So your STILL
> getting more for your money, 50% for all you number freaks out there.
>
> Of course this is all speculation so please, flame gently.
>
> Cheers
>
> Bruce>
Actually, tht's a fact, Brucme...Beer over there is taxed by alcohol I
believe...more alcohol, more for the revenuers
Alan Marshall
Yes, what are you smoking?
Look people, there have been three intelligent posts on this thread:
The technical one that quote the patent, Joel Plutchak's (the best,
I've saved this to revise the FAQ) and the one that cited Guinness
FAQt and Folklore (available via anonymous ftp at sierra.stanford.edu
in /pub/homebrew/rfdb).
Let's get some things straight.
1. The "thingy" does spin.
2. The smoothifier contains a mixture of nitrogen and Guinness under
pressure,
NOT CO2
NOT Nitrous Oxide
NOT Nitrogen Dioxide <I know, nobody's suggested this yet, but
given enough time on this thread...>
3. Other company are licenced to use this technology including
Murphy's, Boddington, and a few other UK brewers.
The next anally retentive idiot that posts dumb crap about the
smoothifier should be sentance to a puragtory of drinking flat
Guinness topped with Bud to give it some head.
Remember RTFFAQ!
Ulick Stafford
Alan Marshall <ak20...@sol.yorku.ca> wrote:
>
>3. Other company are licenced to use this technology including
> Murphy's, Boddington, and a few other UK brewers.
>
>The next anally retentive idiot that posts dumb crap about the
>smoothifier should be sentance to a puragtory of drinking flat
>Guinness topped with Bud to give it some head.
You are full of shit too, I'm afraid. If you ever cut open a can you would
be quite aware that the technology of the doo-hicky in a Murphy's can is
a lot different from that in a Guinness can. In Murphy's and others using
similar technology there is a large capsule that contains pressurised
nitrogen, and if you pop the top it'll go flying accross the room. The
Guinness doo-hicky is a dumb lump of plastic with a hole in the top. When
the Guinness is canned the doohicky contains gas, but when the can is
pressurised prior to closing some Guinness is forced in. Upon opening it is
forced out again, while the device in Murphy's relaeses gas that was put
specially put into it prior to closure. The reason for the two is to
prevent patent infringement.
Ulick Stafford
<sew...@ritvax.isc.rit.edu> wrote:
>
>Upon equalization of can to atmosphere pressure, the plastic cartridge
>equalizes as well. Thus the release of pressurized NITROUS OXIDE (laughing
>gas) and the creation of the rich creamy head.
You are a flame baiter, right? Did they use nitrous oxide because thay
had run out of tabun?
John Mayo
>>Recently, I saw for sale at our local distributor, 'Pub Guinness', which
>>comes in a can. Has anybody tried this? I seem to recall mention of it quite
>>some time ago and that the can contained a charge of nitrogen that was supposed
>>to achieve the classic Guinness head. Is this true?
>>Frank
>I was in Ireland just last summer and they still let it rest after the
>initial pour. They also filled up the glass before serving it. Value for the
>Punt matters there. I have also tried the canned Guinness and find it
>considerably better than bottled. Closest thing yet to real draft.
Did you ever try Draught Guinness in a bottle?
This was Guinness's take-home draught beer before the invention of the
"widget" (plastic insert), and it was a treat for me to pick up a couple of
6-packs at Dublin Airport on the way home to England.
It was a small, maybe 1/2 pint bottle, which when poured (no matter how
vigourously) was flat! The secret was a little plastic syringe, taped to the
box, and the finger grips of the syringe looked like the leaves of a Shamrock.
The syringe was inserted into the flat beer, the plunger withdrawn, and then
forced down with gusto. Lo and behold, the beer creamed up and settled into a
perfect black & white Guinness. Further plunging had no effect - it didn't get
frothier or anything. I used to experiment lots (like you do) and was always
fascinated by this little trick.
Alas, on my recent trips, only "widget" cans to be found now!
BTW for any non-Brit readers, the "widget" is the name given to the plastic
insert in "draught cans" of beer which contain gas under pressure, released
upon opening to give a creamy head. The term "widget" was coined in John
Smith Bitter advertisements by the comedian Jack Dee.
Widget, it's got a widget, it's got a widget,
A widget's what it's got!
John Mayo
Edward A. Morgan x2509
[SNIP]
>Hint: Check the Newsgroup line. What's the connection between *.celtic and
>Guinness?
Just about as much as the connection between this current thread and
BREWING.
... Really, anyone else who adds to this in R.C.B should pay a toll.
I suggest one of the following...
1) Every contributer must supply thier favorite Guinness recipe.
2) Every contributer must detail how homebrewers could reuse
these 'widgets' in thier own Guinness copies
3) Every contributer must mail in a Guinness Pub Draft as payment
of the toll.
I'd nominate myself for the last one, but I'm just a _very_ small
fish in this pond. I suggest they go to either Plutchak or Carlson
as they supplied the best, most informative replies.
It's a shame, REC.FOOD.DRINK.BEER would love to have a thread as
animated as this about _serious_ beer drinking. And all they're
getting is drinking game rules...
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^ E ^
^ A A L C H E M I S T ^
^ M ^
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Scott Hurt
> Recently, I saw for sale at our local distributor, 'Pub Guinness', which
> comes in a can. Has anybody tried this? I seem to recall mention of it quite
> some time ago and that the can contained a charge of nitrogen that was supposed
> to achieve the classic Guinness head. Is this true?
>
> Frank
Well, I bought a package that had 3 four packs of the 16 ounce cans at the
price club warehouse here in Albuquerque New Mexico. The price was incredibly
cheap but I can't remember what it was. The can says it has a special patented
device that allows you to enjoy the creamy head from the can. When the can is
opened, there is quite a bit of pressure and even when it's very cold it starts
to foam out. It does indeed provide a very nice creamy head. The can has a
white plastic disk in the bottom that has pulled away from the can edges
apparently upon opening of the can. There is no indication as to how the
device works though.
-scott
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Alan Marshall
Stafford) writes:
> In article <1994Apr21...@sol.yorku.ca>,
> Alan Marshall <ak20...@sol.yorku.ca> wrote:
>>
>>3. Other company are licenced to use this technology including
>> Murphy's, Boddington, and a few other UK brewers.
>>
>>The next anally retentive idiot that posts dumb crap about the
>>smoothifier should be sentance to a puragtory of drinking flat
>>Guinness topped with Bud to give it some head.
>
> You are full of shit too, I'm afraid. If you ever cut open a can you would
> be quite aware that the technology of the doo-hicky in a Murphy's can is
> a lot different from that in a Guinness can. In Murphy's and others using
> similar technology there is a large capsule that contains pressurised
> nitrogen, and if you pop the top it'll go flying accross the room. The
> Guinness doo-hicky is a dumb lump of plastic with a hole in the top. When
> the Guinness is canned the doohicky contains gas, but when the can is
> pressurised prior to closing some Guinness is forced in. Upon opening it is
> forced out again, while the device in Murphy's relaeses gas that was put
> specially put into it prior to closure. The reason for the two is to
> prevent patent infringement.
Wrong, yes. But full of shit, no. I am quite regular. Several
months ago, when the technology of the GPD can was being discussed in
alt.beer, someone posted that the technology had been licenced to the
other firms I mentioned. That statement went unchallenged, so a
incorrectly accepted it.
For my pennance, I will open a Guinness this evening and let it go
flat. I will pour some Messina (I don't allow Bud in the house;
Messina is the closest I have) to give it a head.
David Morning
>>>|> The Pub Guinness is excellent. ...the nitrogen charge is just a rumor.
>>
>>>Sorry but this is completely wrong. The Nitrogen rumour is in fact TRUE.
>>
>>Not so. the disk holds Guinness in it. When the pressure is released by
>>opening the can, the Guinness in the plastic thingey skooshes out and brings
>>up the head. The gas is a mix of CO2 and Nitrogen.
>Yes, the third is the charm. Here's the real scoop. Sorry for lack of proper
>credit to the original author, but let's clear this up once again.
it was me :-)
>The device was called a Smoothifier. Don't know what award it [won].
That's a fairly recent term for it. It was called the rather un-novel name
of a 'widget' for a while, then it became the 'Draught-flow System'. The
version of it used in Bodingtons Draught is still called the Draught-flow.
Boddingtons is owned by Guinness.
Rather amusingly, Murphy's brought out there own version - Murphy's Draught.
Following the instructions on the can, it appeared to be identical to the
Guinness instructions - chill the can then pour quickly after opening, with
one exception - you poured from a height. Dismantling the can revelead
inside - *nothing*!! The head was created by the turbulence caused by the
stout sloshiing into the glass from a height - not quite the same!
I believe Beamish have a reverse-engineered version of the thingy which allows
them to side-step Guiness' patent but I'm not certain. Anyone confirm it or
otherwise?
Steve Gilford
> vigourously) was flat! The secret was a little plastic syringe, taped to the
> box, and the finger grips of the syringe looked like the leaves of a Shamrock
> forced down with gusto. Lo and behold, the beer creamed up and settled into a
> perfect black & white Guinness. Further plunging had no effect - it didn't ge
> fascinated by this little trick.
>
> Alas, on my recent trips, only "widget" cans to be found now!
>
> BTW for any non-Brit readers, the "widget" is the name given to the plastic
> insert in "draught cans" of beer which contain gas under pressure, released
> upon opening to give a creamy head. The term "widget" was coined in John
> Smith Bitter advertisements by the comedian Jack Dee.
>
> Widget, it's got a widget, it's got a widget,
> A widget's what it's got!
>
> John Mayo
THe word "widget" has an old and honorable history on the US stock
market. Whenever someone wants to create an example, they talk about a
company that makes, distributes, repairs or design improvements for
widgets. I think I can vouch personally for "widget" being in common use
for thirty years. How old is the John Smith Bitter advert?
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>In article <CoMB0...@dcs.gla.ac.uk>, d...@dcs.gla.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
>>
>>Not so. the disk holds Guinness in it. When the pressure is released by
>>opening the can, the Guinness in the plastic thingey skooshes out and brings
>>up the head. The gas is a mix of CO2 and Nitrogen.
>Im not pne for flaming, as I'm new to this group.
Which group? There a 3 in the header
> But sir, you are making a
>fool of yourself.
Really? Given that I've drank and served the stuff for the last 20 odd
years, I think I've got experience of it. What's yours?
>The mere fact that your terminology is equal to my nephew's
>steals any semblance of credibility from your weak argument.]
The mere fact that you seek to make fun of my
dialect indicates to me that you are a complete and utter dork.
Hint: Check the Newsgroup line. What's the connection between *.celtic and
Guinness?
> Further, if you
>are aware of the principles of basic pressurization, you will realize that the
>cartridge does not have to be sealed in the can to keep the gas segregated from
>the beer. Equal pressure in conjunction with the tiny hole suffices.
What on earth are you blabbing about? WHere did I say anything about sealing
anything? Do improve your reading skills!
>Upon equalization of can to atmosphere pressure, the plastic cartridge
>equalizes as well. Thus the release of pressurized NITROUS OXIDE (laughing
>gas) and the creation of the rich creamy head.
Nitrous oxide eh? Just as well they don't employ you in the pub I worked in
or you'd poison all the customers. It gives me great pleasure in pronouncing
you WRONG. Find a pub selling draught Guinness from the keg and go read the
label, the bit that warns not to connect to CO2 as the keg is already
pressurised by....what does it say the gasses it is precharged with are
please??
>any questions?
Yes. What were you sniffing before you wrote this ludicrous and culturally
ignorant article.? Glue or nitrous oxide?
What an idiot!!!
Is everyone in the two beer groups listed in the header as stupid as you?
..or are you the resident pompous oaf?
acli...@dub-fdev.dub.comm.mot.com
draught can.
1. The Guinness in the can is ACTUALLY brewed here in Dublin at St. James Gate
on the quays beside the river Liffey. It is this one fact that probably makes
all the difference. Guinness brewed elsewhere has different procedures and is
terrible stuff. Even the Guinness brewed in London is awful.
2. The Guinness is transported to a town called Runcorn, just outside Liverpool
in the UK. It is canned at this location. As a result of the worldwide
demand for the canned product a new plant is planned for the the town of
Dundalk just below the border with the North of Ireland.
3. The plastic insert is an integral part of the the draught flow system and
releases some gas (nitogen) into the liquid as soon as the pressure within
the can is released.
4. To avoid the dreaded and sarcriligious spillage of Guinness make sure that
you have a large enough glass (to accomodate a pint (circa 560 ml)) and
ensure that the can has been chilled for some time. The can will only
overflow violently if warm.
5. Occasionally the plastic insert will fail but Guinness have this down to only
a few units at this stage. If you're desperate you'll still drink it.
6. I believe the plastic insert was fully developed by Guinness and have now
shared the technology with a number of beer producers including other stouts
and some ales.
7. If the opportunity arises, try "Murphys" in a can. This is an old Irish
brewing company now owned (saved) by the the Dutch company Heineken. It is
very similar to Guinness though slightly sweeter in taste.
A GUIDE FOR THE UN-INITATED TO BUYING GUINNESS IN AN IRISH PUB.
1. Choose your pub carefully. A pint of Guinness does not appreciate loud music,
loud people or bright flashing lights.
2. Ask politely for a pint of Guinness. Depending on the pub, it is possible to
catch the barmans eye and mouth the word "pint", he will translate this
accurately.
3. The barman will fill the glass between 70% and 80% capacity. It will then be
put to the side for a few moments to allow it "to settle". Once the brownish
liquid has almost turned to a solid black the barman will then fill the rest
of the glass. NB: do not under any circumstances take the glass
before it is filled. Some virgins seem to think that the settling stage is
the final stage and walk away with an unfinished pint. At this point we Irish
DO understand the predicament, but I assure you it causes endless mirth
as well.
4. Once you have received your pint, find a comfortable stool or seat, gaze
with awe into the deep blackness, raise the pint to your mouth and take a
large mouthful. Be firm.
5. A good pint can distinguished by a number of methods. A smooth, slightly off-
white head is one, another is the residue left on the inside of the glass.
These, surpise surprise, are known as rings. As long as they are there you
know your're okay. A science of rings is developing - the instance that comes
to mind is determining a persons nationality by the number of rings (a ring
is dependent on a swig of Guinness each swig leaving it's own ring). An
Irishman will have in the region of 5-6 rings (we pace ourselves), an
Englishman will have 8-10 rings, an American will have 17-20 (they sip) and an Australian won't have any at all as they tend to knock it back in one go!
6. As you near the end of your pint, it is the custom to order another one. It
is a well known fact that a bird does not fly on one wing.
To ensure that you are jealous this evening, I need to point out that after work, circa 2.5 hours, I will be celebrating the start of another weekend in glorious Dublin with a few well earned pints.
"A pint of plain is yer only man" ......the brother
Regards
Alan.
Patrick P. Murphy
(Robert Kershaw) writes:
RK> I bought a case of the new Guinness Pub Draught cans which hold 14.9 oz
RK> for $1.75 per can. Not a bad price, also you get teh creamy head from
RK> the special can..
Around here it is available in supermarkets like Giant for less than $6
for a 4-pack of cans. A small convenience store SW of the UVa campus has
it for about the same price --- and a 4-pack of Murphy's stout with the
same "pub draught" technology for under $5 (but this may have been a
"sale" price) for 14.5 US fluid ounces per can.
- Pat
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David Draper <ddr...@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au> wrote:
>I'm not a number freak, but a pint of Guinness in the UK (ok, it's not
>Ireland, but it's gotta be close) costs about #1.70 sterling, at current
>rates that's about what, $2.75? Does a pint of Guinness in NYC cost
>triple that, or $8.25?!?!? I find that hard to believe. So what does a
>pint of Guinness cost in the States? When visiting my folks in S.
FYI, the price of Guinness in the UK varies enormously depending on the
region. These days in London you're lucky to be getting change from 2 quid,
while hear in NI you're looking at 1.50ish. Now, if you should take it into
your head to venture south, you'll be hit for more like 2.20-2.30.
Just for a second compare with lager: London c. 1.80, Belfast c. 1.50, Dublin
c. 2.40. Will the EU sort this mess out? Nope.
The moral is therefore, come to rainy Belfast as it's a cheap distraction from
the cold and the rain.
Pete
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|>
|> 4. To avoid the dreaded and sarcriligious spillage of Guinness make sure that
|> you have a large enough glass (to accomodate a pint (circa 560 ml)) and
|> ensure that the can has been chilled for some time. The can will only
|> overflow violently if warm.
|>
This is the thing that I hate most about these systems. We're talking
good(ish) British and Irish beer here not crappy Aussie lager. One of
the worst things you can do to this beer is drink it chilled but all
of the `draughtflow' type systems require it. Maybe it is so that
it's so cold you can't actually tell that it still tastes like it
came from a can.
Rob.
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fm> Recently, I saw for sale at our local distributor, 'Pub Guinness', which
fm> comes in a can. Has anybody tried this? I seem to recall mention of it
fm> quite some time ago and that the can contained a charge of nitrogen that
fm> was supposed to achieve the classic Guinness head. Is this true?
PPM> It's been way too long since I had the "real" thing :-( but I can
PPM> attest that (a) the Draught-Guinness-in-a-can does generate a nice
PPM> creamy head, and (b) compared to some of the less notable pints I
PPM> remember from Dublin in the late 70's, the taste is quite good. In
PPM> other words, you'll probably do better with the real thing but this is
PPM> the next best substitute.
PPM> Definitely better to impress a neophyte with than the bottled stuff.
I was not impressed at all with 'Pub Guinness'. I found it better than
all the US mass produced beers, but there are MANY US micro brews which
are much better. I think it would be worth a taste if your interested,
but I wouldn't buy a six.
Dave
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Patrick P. Murphy <pmu...@nrao.edu> wrote:
>In article <CoKpD...@news.ess.harris.com>, rker...@ic1d.harris.com
> (Robert Kershaw) writes:
>
>RK> I bought a case of the new Guinness Pub Draught cans which hold 14.9 oz
>RK> for $1.75 per can. Not a bad price, also you get teh creamy head from
>RK> the special can..
>
>Around here it is available in supermarkets like Giant for less than $6
>for a 4-pack of cans. A small convenience store SW of the UVa campus has
>it for about the same price --- and a 4-pack of Murphy's stout with the
>same "pub draught" technology for under $5 (but this may have been a
>"sale" price) for 14.5 US fluid ounces per can.
Ouch - don't sacrifice Guinness for Murphy's - pay the extra buck
and enjoy the real thing!
Del Cotter
sew...@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>In article <CoMB0...@dcs.gla.ac.uk>,
>d...@dcs.gla.ac.uk (David Morning) writes:
>
>>Not so. the disk holds Guinness in it. When the pressure is released by
>>opening the can, the Guinness in the plastic thingey skooshes out and brings
>>up the head. The gas is a mix of CO2 and Nitrogen.
>
>Im not pne for flaming, as I'm new to this group. But sir, you are making a
>fool of yourself. The mere fact that your terminology is equal to my nephew's
>steals any semblance of credibility from your weak argument.
Im not pne for flaming either, but you're the one who's making a fool of
himself. Dave's terminology is informal and friendly, just the way we
like it. Any more dumb posts like that, and you'll find out how equal
Dave's *mind* is to yours or that of the relative of your choice.
Pompous twit.
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but I can't let this go unchallenged.
In article <ConLI...@dcs.gla.ac.uk> d...@dcs.gla.ac.uk "David Morning" writes:
>That's a fairly recent term for it. It was called the rather un-novel name
>of a 'widget' for a while, then it became the 'Draught-flow System'. The
>version of it used in Bodingtons Draught is still called the Draught-flow.
>Boddingtons is owned by Guinness.
No, it isn't. Boddingtons is owned by Whitbread. Before somebody suggests
that Whitbread owns Guinness or vice versa, they don't. I believe that
there are a number of slightly different designs of 'widget' to avoid a
variety of patent infringements.
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Not so. the disk holds Guinness in it. When the pressure is released by
opening the can, the Guinness in the plastic thingey skooshes out and brings
up the head. The gas is a mix of CO2 and Nitrogen.
The disk has to have some gas in it also. Guinness doesn't just
'skoosh' by itself. Liquids are virtually incompressible. I don't
think that the pressurized gas in the beer is enough to cause a
draught effect. I think there is more news about the thingy on
the network than on TV. This is a first in the states! :)
Cheers to all,
keith c.
Chris Cooke
pbok> Ouch - don't sacrifice Guinness for Murphy's - pay the extra buck and
pbok> enjoy the real thing!
Don't sacrifice decent stout for Guinness - pay the extra buck and enjoy the
real thing.
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David Morning
>Actually, I hate joining this thread because it's such an utter flamefest,
>but I can't let this go unchallenged.
>In article <ConLI...@dcs.gla.ac.uk> d...@dcs.gla.ac.uk "David Morning" writes:
>>That's a fairly recent term for it. It was called the rather un-novel name
>>of a 'widget' for a while, then it became the 'Draught-flow System'. The
>>version of it used in Bodingtons Draught is still called the Draught-flow.
>>Boddingtons is owned by Guinness.
>No, it isn't. Boddingtons is owned by Whitbread. Before somebody suggests
>that Whitbread owns Guinness or vice versa, they don't.
Sure about that? You might be surprised at what the Guinness conglomorate
actually owns indirectly.
James Brockman
seems like everyone 'knows' that their version of what this
'thingie/widget/smoothifier' is is right. I think perhaps I sould call
Guinness and ASK them....maybe they'll send me a diagram. Maybe they'll
send me some free stout :) :) :)
j.
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made out of a special space alloy that is not found on this planet. It is
delivered secretly to the Guinness plant every three week by SPACE ALIENS!
FACT 2. The can contains some special addictive MIND CONTROL DRUG that
makes you want to drink more!
FACT 3. The diabolical mastermind behind this plot to control the world is
ACTUALLY ELVIS!
Yes, I do realize how silly these statements are, but they're not any
worse (or more worn out) than many of the others I've read over the past two
weeks.
Cheers!
Richard Bridgman
I remember seeing an explanation of these widget thingys on the TV about
a year ago. Apparently, the widget sits at the top of the can when unopened,
you'll notice that there are gaps to the side of it (or holes around the
middle of it, depending on the variation). Well anyway, when you open the
can you burst a small section of the widget that contains gas at a higher
pressure than the overall pressure of the can. This has the effect of forcing
the widget down to the bottom of the can, which in turn forces the beer
rapidly through the small gaps at the sides (or through the small holes
in the middle) thereby frothing it up somehow.
I suppose it's a bit like those bodum coffee thingys, you know, the ones
with a plunger thingy.
--
Richard Bridgman
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Rob Ingram
|>
|> FACT 2. The can contains some special addictive MIND CONTROL DRUG that
|> makes you want to drink more!
|>
Hey, isn't this one true? I think it's called alcohol.
:-)
Rob.
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Joel Plutchak
>Another twist on the Guinness issue is a bottled version I saw
>in Ireland in 1983. The bottles came from the store with a
>plastic device to inject air into your Guinness after poured.
>This was supposed to give a good head. We called this device,
>of course, a "Guinness Gooser". Anyone remember this?
Remember it? I've still got a bottle (now empty) and "gooser" a
friend brought me from the brewery several years back.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Brown University Planetary Geology
http://lager.geo.brown.edu:8080/~plutchak/plutchak.html
Chris Bourne
> Ali...@moose.demon.co.uk (Alison Scott) writes:
>
> >No, it isn't. Boddingtons is owned by Whitbread. Before somebody suggests
> >that Whitbread owns Guinness or vice versa, they don't.
>
> Sure about that? You might be surprised at what the Guinness conglomorate
> actually owns indirectly.
To muddy the waters (is that the right phrase?) further, I understand that
Whitbread didn't actually buy the brewery, just the right to market the beer.
I believe they paid 54m for the privilege?
This may imply control, but I think my boss Mr Boddington would be cross to
learn that his family's business was no longer owned by his family...:) --
(PS: Before anybody writes for free electronic samples, I should say that my
Mr Boddington runs a completely different company from the one which makes
the beer...)
Chris Bourne
Sarah Gannon
>fmil...@brynmawr.edu wrote:
>
>The Pub Guinness is excellent. However the nitrogen charge is just a
>rumor. I opened a can up just to find out what did give the classic
>Guinness head and all I found was a round plastic disc, which seems to
>spin when you pour the ale into a glass.
>
>--
>Tom Huot
Sorry to have to nit-pick but guiness is a stout, not an ale :-)
Sarah
Mr P. A. Moss
> In article <Cov0G...@dcs.gla.ac.uk> d...@dcs.gla.ac.uk "David Morning" writes:
>
> > Ali...@moose.demon.co.uk (Alison Scott) writes:
> >
> > >No, it isn't. Boddingtons is owned by Whitbread. Before somebody suggests
> > >that Whitbread owns Guinness or vice versa, they don't.
> >
> > Sure about that? You might be surprised at what the Guinness conglomorate
> > actually owns indirectly.
>
> To muddy the waters (is that the right phrase?) further, I understand that
> Whitbread didn't actually buy the brewery, just the right to market the beer.
> I believe they paid 54m for the privilege?
As I understood it, Whitbread paid the money and took over the brewing process and
all the associated marketing of Boddingtons Beer.
The Company Boddingtons is now just a holding company for a number of pubs
(this is at least how I heard it)
OBBEER
One for all in the uk this.
Last night I had a pint of the new Marstons EBONY, a rich dark beer with a burnt
chocolatey type of taste. only 1.50 GBP well worth the effort of findingit I think
also The Marstons head brewers choice range of beers, the've done an IPA, Porter
(on at my local at the moment) and other beers. All MOST excelent brews :)
Phil
Alan Marshall
I also harvest nits. First, you spelled Guinness wrong -- two `n's
and a capital G, to show appropriate reverence. Second, stout is a
sub-category of ale, just as Pilsner is a sub-catergory of lager.
--
-- Alan Marshall "That's, as they say, a chunk of
AK20...@SOL.YORKU.CA change," KTB in the WSJ
York University
Toronto, Canada