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Makaveli <maka...@toolcity.net> wrote in message
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Maybe everyone has their own opinion on this, but as far as I'm concerned
"real" Guinness is that which you get in a well-pulled pint in Ireland.
With that definition of "real" Guinness, things are substantially different
to what you get in cans, and even more so in bottles. The head on such a
pint could hardly be considered sliceable. It's a nice, thick, cream which
settles on top. Perfect.
Pouring from a can with a "widget" in it gives you some sort of an
approximation of this, but that's all you can expect.
However, a plain old bottle of Guinness doesn't give you anything like
this. As far as I can see, either you get no head at all or you get a
massive frothy construction, which seems to be what you describe here.
I guess it's just a taste thing, but for me, the creamy pint rather than
the frothy bottle is where it's at. Having said that, I rarely drink
Guinness form a can or bottle any more.
Oh, and all of the above goes for Murphy's too. (and Beamish for that
matter).
Jack
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the sween <thes...@rocketmail.com> wrote in article
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Too bad. You're probably dealing with people who have swallowed motor oil and
chew spit. Get out while you can. You obviously have better taste.
S@m
Makaveli wrote:
> I just started drinking Guinness about 2 cases ago and this has to be the
> best, and i love it... Everyone around here has never heard of it or hates
> the taste, some go as far to call it "Chew spit beer" , or " motor oil",
> although funny, i hate to hear it. So i just wanted to know how many people
> on this list like Guinness as i do.
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Um yes- a few weeks back, a co-worker told me how heand some friends had
bought 2 six packs of Guinness out of curiosity-(they were looking for some
"strong" beer).They cracked a couple of bottles, didn't like it,("it didn't
taste like beer"), and proceeded to pour the rest down the drain
. Oh the horror! Oh the humanity!
> would the nitrous capsule be the widget? or is it something totally
> different? .....anyway......gotahavaGUINNESS!
>
As far as I can tell, there has never been a "nitrous capsule" in Guinness
cans. There was a "widget" attached to the bottom of the can that
contained a small amount of beer under high pressure. This has now
apparently been replaced by some sort of "floating draught system", which
appears to be a piece of plastic that floats in the can. (IMO, the
floating system is not as good as the widget.) But I don't thinks there's
anything that contains nitrous oxide to be released into the beer.
Actually, that's not right either. The widget is mainly a disk pierced with
a pinhole with an underlying set of baffles. When the can is opened, the
beer ABOVE the disk goes to atmospheric pressure. The beer below rushes
through the pinhole as the high pressure below the disk equalizes with the
atmospheric pressure above, and the nitrogen is 'sheared' out by the
constriction, same as with the constrictor disk in a Guinness tap.
> This has now
>apparently been replaced by some sort of "floating draught system", which
>appears to be a piece of plastic that floats in the can. (IMO, the
>floating system is not as good as the widget.) But I don't thinks there's
>anything that contains nitrous oxide to be released into the beer.
The floating widgets are essentially self-contained baffles and a pinhole in
either a spheroid shape or a peanut shape. Their main advantage is that they
take up less space, allowing more beer per can. I haven't really noticed any
difference between the disk and the floater.
Lew Bryson
Freelance writer and fulltime father.
My opinions are my own: the good ones I sell.
Author of Pennsylvania Breweries, now available at
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/081172879X/002-1904346-8002803
Dr. Alan Forage, creator of the technology, was on hand to explain the
mechanics of the new can. This is the way the system works: The 16.9
ounce can (containing 14.9 ounces of beer) is fitted with a small
plastic device (Guinness calls it a "smoothifier") which sits in the
bottom of the can. This device has a pocket or cavity which is open to
the atmosphere via a pin hole in its top. The can is evacuated of oxygen
and filled with beer. Prior to sealing the can, a
dose of liquid nitrogen is added to the beer. The can is closed and as
the liquid nitrogen warms a pressure is created. The pressure forces
about 1% of the beer and nitrogen into the plastic cavity. When the can
is opened, the pressure is released and the small amount of beer in the
cavity is forced back through the pinhole quite violently. The agitation
created by this "geyser" mixes the nitrogen with the beer in such a way
as to reproduce the tap handle character. Open up the first empty can
you have in order to see what the "smoothifier" looks like.
...and some details about the patent:
Uhhh, yeah I love Guinness too, but the cans aren't new!
}Here's probably more info that you need:
}
}Dr. Alan Forage, creator of the technology, was on hand to explain the
}mechanics of the new can. This is the way the system works: The 16.9
}ounce can (containing 14.9 ounces of beer) is fitted with a small
}plastic device (Guinness calls it a "smoothifier") which sits in the
}bottom of the can. This device has a pocket or cavity which is open to
}the atmosphere via a pin hole in its top. The can is evacuated of oxygen
}and filled with beer. Prior to sealing the can, a
}dose of liquid nitrogen is added to the beer. The can is closed and as
*Liquid* nitrogen? Sheesh, talk about a high tech packaging system.
Dr H