guinness
michael livsey
>was deelicious. ,
MP> Indeed! It brings bottled/canned stout to a whole new level!
I was so amazed about those cans that I cut one open to see who was in there
pumping out the beer. It turns out that there's a plastic insert with a small
pin-hole in it which apparently allows the Nitrogen to escape. Does anyone
know how Guinness gets those inserts into the can without them blowing up???
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Dave Breneman
>>Anybody else out there tried Guinness' Nitrogen-Gizmo stout can? Havta say it
>>was deelicious. ,
>
>MP> Indeed! It brings bottled/canned stout to a whole new level!
>
>I was so amazed about those cans that I cut one open to see who was in there
>pumping out the beer. It turns out that there's a plastic insert with a small
>pin-hole in it which apparently allows the Nitrogen to escape. Does anyone
>know how Guinness gets those inserts into the can without them blowing up???
>
It's not nitrogen in the capsule, but more beer. A couple months ago
some fine fellow in GB posted excerpts from the patent application.
Maybe this should be a monthly posting? The idea is, when you open
the can, the pressure inside drops, causing the beer to spray out the
little hole in the capsule, creating the head; at least that's what
the patent application described. Personally, I've never even *seen*
one of these cans.
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aluminum. The top, a seperate piece of aluminum, is then crimped on after the
fluid is poured into the open end. It would be very simple to put the plastic
insert in the bottom of the can before the top is permanently crimped on.
Manufacturing Facts courtesy of Mikes
Dan Hall
In article <1992Oct3....@rosedale.uucp>, d...@rosedale.uucp (Dave Breneman) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.3956.6973@dosgate> "michael livsey" <michael...@canrem.com> writes:
>>>Anybody else out there tried Guinness' Nitrogen-Gizmo stout can? Havta say it
>>>was deelicious. ,
>>
>>MP> Indeed! It brings bottled/canned stout to a whole new level!
>>
>>I was so amazed about those cans that I cut one open to see who was in there
>>pumping out the beer. It turns out that there's a plastic insert with a small
>>pin-hole in it which apparently allows the Nitrogen to escape. Does anyone
>>know how Guinness gets those inserts into the can without them blowing up???
>It's not nitrogen in the capsule, but more beer. A couple months ago
>some fine fellow in GB posted excerpts from the patent application.
>Maybe this should be a monthly posting? The idea is, when you open
>the can, the pressure inside drops, causing the beer to spray out the
>little hole in the capsule, creating the head; at least that's what
>the patent application described. Personally, I've never even *seen*
>one of these cans.
Yes, info about the less-than-amazing Guinness Smoothifier should be included
in a FAQ, or be required reading, or something. Thanks for the suggestion,
Dave. There's been enough inquiries about it (and the subsequent misinform-
ation) to warrant posting the patent info again. I'll post the original
article, and a follow-up to it, which is a bit more plain-English.
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Don't put anything in your beer that a pig wouldn't eat" --David Geary
Article 4283 of alt.beer:
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From: ha...@trlian.enet.dec.com (Dan Hall)
Subject: Re: Guinness
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 21:38:13 GMT
In article <9APR1992...@vax.cc.williams.edu>, 92...@vax.cc.williams.edu (Ba
t Rastard) writes:
>There was a thread a while ago about a new gadget appearing in Guinness
>containers, which caused the stout to pour out in a richer, foamier fashion.
>What was the official name of this innovation, and what was the name of the
>special award it won? Thanks.
The device was called a Smoothifier. Don't know what award it [won].
There's been lots of speculation, information, and misinformation in this and
other forums about how it works. Marlene Spears, a member of the Boston Wort
Processors, took the time to look up the device in the Patent Gazette. Her
article appeared in the last issue of "Brewprint", the newsletter of the Boston
Wort Processors, and I've reprinted part of it below. Drink about 6 cans of
the new Pub Draught Guinness, then read the following three times fast:
"1. A beverage package comprising a sealed, non-resealable, container having a
primary chamber containing beverage having gas in solution therewith and forming
a primary headspace comprising gas at a pressure greater than atmospheric;
enclosure means defining a secondary chamber having a volume less than said
primary chamber; restrictor means defining a restricted orifice, said secondary
chamber communicating with the beverage in said primary chamber through said
restricted orifice; said secondary chamber containing beverage supplied thereto
from the beverage in the primary chamber and having a secondary headspace
therein comprising a gas at a pressure greater than atmospheric so that the
pressures within the primary and secondary chambers are substantially at
equilibrium; said container is openable to expose the primary headspace to
atmospheric pressure, and wherein the secondary chamber is arranged so that
upon opening of the container the pressure differential caused by the decrease
in pressure at the primary headspace causes beverage in the secondary chamber
to be ejected by way of the restricted orifice into the beverage of the primary
chamber and said ejection causes gas in the solution to be evolved and form, or
assist in the formation of, a head of froth on the beverage."
Now why didn't I think of that?
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Article 4318 of alt.beer:
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From: ha...@trlian.enet.dec.com (Dan Hall)
Subject: Re: Guinness
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 16:58:38 GMT
In article <92107.135...@ESTEC.BITNET>, <FNO...@ESTEC.BITNET> writes:
> 1/ The "smoothifier" (didn't know they'd coined a name for it) is a small
>container (cylinder, pelet, whatever) of gas in the bas of the can. On openning
>the can (as stated, differential preasure) it bursts and so gassifies the beer.
>It's better than "normal" canned beer, but still notas good as real draft.
Sorry but no, there's nothing in a can of Pub Draught Guinness that bursts.
It's really quite simple. It's just a small plastic device, its length equal
to the diameter of the can, its width about half the diameter of the can, and
its height about one-half inch. It is really just a small container, capacity
probably about 10ml, with a tiny hole in it. Upon canning the beer, some of it
is forced into the container through the tiny hole. WHen the can is opened,
the pressure differential causes the liquid in the small container to leave it
through the tiny hole. The ejection of that liquid into the beer in the primary
chamber of the can causes the beer to become roused, and it foams up.
It's really the same action you got from Guinness's previous gimmick, which was
a tiny syringe with which you sucked up some of the beer from the glass and
ejected it back with the syringe's plunger. In the case of the "Smoothifier",
it's done automagically.
No mirrors, no wires, no bursting pellets, no containers charged with nitrogen
or any other gas, no liquid nitrogen. Nothing complicated at all. If you get
ahold of a can of Pub Draught Guinness, cut it open and see for yourself.
And BTW, before you cut the can open, look for the typo in the text on the back.
FWIW, the Guinness in the Pub Draught can is pasteurized. That probably is one
of the reasons it's not as good as fresh Guinness. The main reason for me is
because it's not being drunk in a pub in Ireland.
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"Adhere to Schweinheitsgebot
Don't put anything in your beer that a pig wouldn't eat" --David Geary