U.S. Military Beer
Samuel C. Bourke
Does anyone know if the U.S. military has ever been involved in
producing beer, wine or spirits of any kind? If so, can you give me
any information about or point me to any book or article on the
subject?
If anyone has any information I would be very thankful. I am an Army
librarian trying to answer a customers question.
Samuel C. Bourke
Chase
On Sun, 09 Mar 1997 08:16:42 GMT, Samuel C. Bourke wrote:
: Does anyone know if the U.S. military has ever been involved in
: producing beer, wine or spirits of any kind? If so, can you give me
: any information about or point me to any book or article on the
: subject?
Producing it? Not that I know of, although they do get special versions
to distribute to the armed forces overseas - in Iceland, for example, you
can get Budweiser with formaldehyde in it - because they want to preserve
it from spoilage in the tropics. ;)
-- \_awless is : Chase Vogelsberg (law...@netcom.com / law...@howling.com)
--
-- The trouble with hell is that the ambient temperature is above the flash
-- point of alcohol. Which means you can't linger over your drink.
-- Alexis A. Gilliland.
mr
Chase=an overdose of 'formaldehyde' in his brain! In over 30 years of
observing test data for American and foreign beers, I have never seen so
much as a trace element of 'formaldehyde' in ANY beer. This includes malt
beverages from micros, majors, etc. etc.
I guess in the name of freedom, even idiots are allowed to post.
Chase <Law...@netcom.coma> wrote in article
<lawlessE...@netcom.com>...
Richard Spencer
In message <33226e0...@news.dacom.co.kr>
scbo...@bora.dacom.co.kr (Samuel C. Bourke) writes:
> Does anyone know if the U.S. military has ever been involved in
> producing beer, wine or spirits of any kind? If so, can you give me
> any information about or point me to any book or article on the
> subject?
> If anyone has any information I would be very thankful. I am an Army
> librarian trying to answer a customers question.
> Samuel C. Bourke
I think that you'll find that since prohibition a somewhat
puritanical streak has prevented Uncle Sam from brewing or
distilling, himself, but that he has left it to the Class VI system
to obtain supplies of all varieties of nectar, which are passed on to
the serviceman at prices significantly better than commercial, plus,
of course, any tax relief.
Almost certainly, however, pre-prohibition Commanders primarily of
the Corps of Engineers, will have made the astounding discovery that
troops work better, and mutiny less if they can have a jug of ale at
night. General George Wade, who drove roads through the trackless
mountains where I live, to enable the government in London to
exercise CONTROL over the wild Scots, fought a long running, and
ultimately successful battle with the Excise over his mobile field
brewery, and its tax free status!
Along side a jug of ale, the soldier needs a woman too, so you'd
probably better look into the question of field brothels too......
Richard
beerboat
Chase wrote:
>
> X-no-archive: no
>
> On 13 Mar 1997 23:45:36 GMT, mr wrote:
> : Chase=an overdose of 'formaldehyde' in his brain! In over 30 years of
> : observing test data for American and foreign beers, I have never seen so
> : much as a trace element of 'formaldehyde' in ANY beer. This includes malt
> : beverages from micros, majors, etc. etc.
>
> : I guess in the name of freedom, even idiots are allowed to post.
>
> or tasted various eastern beers such as the Philippines Red Horse. Of
> course, you're going to say that you -have- seen test data for said beer,
> but, clueless little bastard that you are, you probably don't realize
> that what gets imported often has little or -nothing- to do with what the
> brew is like in its native land. For instance - San Miguel, another beer
> from the Philippines : stateside, it's pasteurized, predictable and bland.
> In the Philippine Islands, the beer is -not- pasteurized, varies widely
> from batch to batch, ranging from very bad to pretty damn drinkable.
>
> Likewise, you've probably only "observed" test data for versions of the
> beverages available for commercial sale - ie, sad sack, your data would
> -not- include information on what the military distributed. Ciao, mr
> pathetic idiot.> -- It is easy to forget a promise made to someone who is in your power.
> -- But it is by such small things that adoration flourishes or withers
> -- away. -- Pat Califia
Nope. Never saw the data nor participated in the testing of aforesaid
Phillipines Red Horse. But I have on San Miguel, both imported and from
several of their breweries. Also on A-B, Miller, Heileman, Pabst and
perhaps 80, or so, 'micro' products. That includes beers from the majors
shipped to military installations and facilities in Diego Garcia,
Europe, Asia, South Pacific ad nauseum.
Repeat - and I'll type this REAL SLOW so even you can understand - in
none of the chem analyses done - has so much as a trace of
'formaldehyde' been detected. If YOU have found 'formaldehyde' in U.S.
military beer, I would suggest you turn your evidence over to the
authorities because someone has been tampering with the beer.
lu...@swbell.net
about it.
Lucky
beerboat <beer...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Repeat - and I'll type this REAL SLOW so even you can understand - in
>none of the chem analyses done - has so much as a trace of
>'formaldehyde' been detected. If YOU have found 'formaldehyde' in U.S.
>military beer, I would suggest you turn your evidence over to the
>authorities because someone has been tampering with the beer.
Yea, and the next thing that you'll try and tell me is that weren't
putting saftpeter in our food to kell our sex drive.
Lucky
Chase
On Mon, 17 Mar 1997 07:54:38 -0600, beerboat wrote:
: Chase wrote:
: > you probably don't realize
: > that what gets imported often has little or -nothing- to do with what the
: > brew is like in its native land. For instance - San Miguel, another beer
: > from the Philippines : stateside, it's pasteurized, predictable and bland.
: > In the Philippine Islands, the beer is -not- pasteurized, varies widely
: > from batch to batch, ranging from very bad to pretty damn drinkable.
: Nope. Never saw the data nor participated in the testing of aforesaid
: Phillipines Red Horse. But I have on San Miguel, both imported and from
: several of their breweries. Also on A-B, Miller, Heileman, Pabst and
: perhaps 80, or so, 'micro' products. That includes beers from the majors
: shipped to military installations and facilities in Diego Garcia,
: Europe, Asia, South Pacific ad nauseum.
Look at what I typed. Look again, real slow. Didn't say San Miguel had
formaldehyde - pointed out the huge difference between the native version
and the import. San Miguel -is- a good brewery, at least for that part of
the world - no formaldehyde. Red Horse - much lower caliber brewery, much
higher alcohol content, low levels of formaldehyde.
Then there's the beer found on military deployments - -NOT- what the majors
ship to military clubs and package stores on military bases, but what used
to go along on field deployments, where the beer wasn't going to be kept
cold, and was expect to be in tropical heat. Again - not what you tested,
and not even close to resembling the list of major stateside brewers and
micros products. Again : I'm not talking beer that was for sale, not the
american ones. I'm talking beer that was given to soldiers in the field,
rather along the same lines as C-rats or MREs. MRE candy had paraffin and
chemicals in it, to keep it from A, melting, B, spoiling. Beer likewise
had additives. No, beerboat, -not- to keep it from melting, to keep it
from spoiling.
: Repeat - and I'll type this REAL SLOW so even you can understand - in
: none of the chem analyses done - has so much as a trace of
: 'formaldehyde' been detected. If YOU have found 'formaldehyde' in U.S.
: military beer, I would suggest you turn your evidence over to the
: authorities because someone has been tampering with the beer.
Real slow - you didn't test the right stuff. Even slower, using small
words and letters for your benefit : *plonk*. By the way, moron, try
learning proper netiquette and not quoting signatures and headers that
don't have anything to do with the followup. Now, run along and ask
some nice person what *plonk* means.
-- \_awless is : Chase Vogelsberg (law...@netcom.com / law...@howling.com)
--
Michael Stewart
In article <lawlessE...@netcom.com> Chase <Law...@netcom.coma> writes:
On Mon, 17 Mar 1997 07:54:38 -0600, beerboat wrote:
: Nope. Never saw the data nor participated in the testing of aforesaid
: Phillipines Red Horse. But I have on San Miguel, both imported and from
: several of their breweries. Also on A-B, Miller, Heileman, Pabst and
: perhaps 80, or so, 'micro' products. That includes beers from the majors
: shipped to military installations and facilities in Diego Garcia,
: Europe, Asia, South Pacific ad nauseum.
Look at what I typed. Look again, real slow. Didn't say San Miguel had
formaldehyde - pointed out the huge difference between the native version
and the import. San Miguel -is- a good brewery, at least for that part of
the world - no formaldehyde. Red Horse - much lower caliber brewery, much
higher alcohol content, low levels of formaldehyde.
I'm not sure I understand. It sounds like you are suggesting that
formaldehyde appears as a by-product of fermentation with a high
alcohol brew fermented under dubious conditions. I can't find any
support for yeast producing formaldehyde when thumbing through Fix's
Principles of Brewing Science.
On the off chance you are suggesting that some breweries add
formaldehyde then that sounds like some sort of urban legend. Why
would anyone want to add it?
Either way I'm puzzled and at least a bit skeptical.
--
Michael Stewart http://www-sccm.stanford.edu/~stewart
"Good people drink good beer." For non-spammers: ste...@sccm.stanford.edu
--Hunter S. Thompson
beerboat
Chase wrote:
>
> On Mon, 17 Mar 1997 07:54:38 -0600, beerboat wrote:
> : >
> --
> -- The trouble with hell is that the ambient temperature is above the flash
> -- point of alcohol. Which means you can't linger over your drink.
> -- Alexis A. Gilliland.
Actually, Chase, I don't know what *plonk or whatever means and I don't
really care. Nor do I know what Red Horse or a number of brands have in
them, be it formaldehyde or whatever.
In your original post, sometime back, you made the statement that there
was 'formaldehyde' in Budweiser served to U.S. service personel. Now I
don't much care where they drank it, be it in 'Nam or Korea or
Guadacanal, your statement was a falsehood. Period, plonk or whatever.
If there was any formaldehyde in the beer (which I doubt), it was placed
there after it left the on-shore breweries. My knowledge on this is
first-hand, covering most major domestic brands, including malt
beverages shipped to military installations for redistribution to field
personnel. Capice?
Some brewers used other 'preservatives', as you call them, but no
American brewer made or shipped beer to anyone anywhere with
formaldehyde added to the beer.
If you still insist that American brewers use or have used
'formaldehyde' as a preservative in offshore beer, then perhaps you
should at least have the courtesy to post in the proper NG, alt.bs
mfk...@ibm.net
I got to spend a fair number of days on leave in the Phillipenes(sp)
durring my stay in the Military. I also heard that the beer from the
states had formaldehyde in it. I don't know if it was true or a
folktale, but it was a well told story. I mainly drank San Miguel, as
Hawkeye would say "Only to excess".
And as stated before. I don't believe they had any standards. Each beer
tasted the same as far as I remember but the alcohol content was
different from batch to batch. We could tell after a couple. We would go
to another bar if we felt it was a low batch. The bars were many and the
beers were cheep, 30 cents at the cheep bars. Over a buck at the dance
type bars. This was in 78-80 timeframe. To bad we pulled out of there.
It was a great place to party. A regular male adult disneyland. But now
i'm rambling.
Regards
mikeski
The truth is out there..
Oliver Weatherbee
mfk...@ibm.net wrote:
>
>
> I got to spend a fair number of days on leave in the Phillipenes(sp)
> durring my stay in the Military.
>
>
> The bars were many and the beers were cheep, 30 cents at the cheep
> bars. Over a buck at the dance type bars. This was in 78-80 timeframe.
> To bad we pulled out of there. It was a great place to party. A
> regular male adult disneyland. But now i'm rambling.
>
Yea, such a shame politics and economic development got in the
way of such a "good time". Why couldn't they leave a good military
whore house alone, dammit. I mean hey, nobody was forcing women
into prostitution, it just happens around major military R&R
facilities like Illongapo. Its not like the military is supposed
to set any kind of example of behavior, god forbid.
Oliver Weatherbee - Peace Corps Philippines (88-90)
beerboat
Michael Stewart wrote:
>
> In article <lawlessE...@netcom.com> Chase <Law...@netcom.coma> writes:
>
> On Mon, 17 Mar 1997 07:54:38 -0600, beerboat wrote:
>
>
> I'm not sure I understand. It sounds like you are suggesting that
> formaldehyde appears as a by-product of fermentation with a high
> alcohol brew fermented under dubious conditions. I can't find any
> support for yeast producing formaldehyde when thumbing through Fix's
> Principles of Brewing Science.
>
> On the off chance you are suggesting that some breweries add
> formaldehyde then that sounds like some sort of urban legend. Why
> would anyone want to add it?
>
> Either way I'm puzzled and at least a bit skeptical.
> --
> Michael Stewart http://www-sccm.stanford.edu/~stewart
> "Good people drink good beer." For non-spammers: ste...@sccm.stanford.edu
> --Hunter S. Thompson
This whole thing started because someone posted a question as to whether
the U.S. Government had ever brewed or produced beer, or something to
that effect. Chase responded by posting that Budweiser sold and/or
served to military installations contained 'formaldehyde', which it does
not. Nor, in fact, do any other malt beverages produced in the U.S. by
licensed brewers.
It was a fairly obvious attempt to denigrate A-B and/or other U.S.
brewers by posting a piece of BS. When I called him on it, he went
crackers over my internet manners, rambling and raving about San Miguel
and Red Horse. My only point was, and still is, that U.S. malt
beverages, along with reputable off-shore breweries, have not and do not
use 'formaldehyde' as an ingredient in their beverages. It does not
'preserve' beer - it poisons it.
BeerFly
Oliver, it's the way of the world. Since the dawn of time, the military
has attracted prostitutes and booze-sellers and pawnbrokers. Come to
think of it, any large, all-male endeavor has done that. Money comes to
an area, and the locals do everything they can to get a piece of it. No,
it ain't pretty, but you can't stop it without a bunch of blue laws that
are going to hurt the local economy more than the military.
ObBeer: MY Bigfoot is finally on its way, just got confirmation from my
connection. Just thinking about a Celebration/Bigfoot half-n-half...
--
Lew Bryson
sms...@prodigy.com
"I try to love the Bud-drinker and hate the Bud."
Donald L. Barber
>> I got to spend a fair number of days on leave in the Phillipenes(sp)
>> durring my stay in the Military.
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>> <snip>
> Oliver Weatherbee - Peace Corps Philippines (88-90)
Say,......I knew a Oliver Weatherbee that was posted in Petawawa, ON back
in the early 80's could u be the one ???? I tried to send this msg. via
e-mail, but I got back a demon...
With regards,
Don
--
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can smack you with it, and not feel a thing...
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Daniel Juliano
ste...@antispam.fake (Michael Stewart) writes:
>I'm not sure I understand. It sounds like you are suggesting that
>formaldehyde appears as a by-product of fermentation with a high
>alcohol brew fermented under dubious conditions. I can't find any
>support for yeast producing formaldehyde when thumbing through Fix's
>Principles of Brewing Science.
>On the off chance you are suggesting that some breweries add
>formaldehyde then that sounds like some sort of urban legend. Why
>would anyone want to add it?
According to my class notes for my graduate class on "Fermented and
Distilled Beverages" here at U of Illinois, formaldehyde can help
reduce beer haze. "With excess polyphenol, formaldehyde can be
added to the sweet or hopped wort to crosslink the polyphenols (not
legal in the *civilized* countries)." I think the point is that
this would precipitate the protein-tannin haze out of the beer.
--
Daniel Juliano | Finger me for my
d...@starfire.ne.uiuc.edu | PGP Public Key
Michael Stewart
Good answer Dan! I guess I should have stuck around Illinois long
enough to sit in on Bill Artz's fermentation class. It's good to see
Universities offering classes on important stuff like this so
physicists like Dan can broaden their background and prepare to become
brewers.
tommyb
>beerboat <beer...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>This whole thing started because someone posted a question as to whether
>the U.S. Government had ever brewed or produced beer, or something to
>that effect. Chase responded by posting that Budweiser sold and/or
>served to military installations contained 'formaldehyde', which it does
>not. Nor, in fact, do any other malt beverages produced in the U.S. by
>licensed brewers.
>It was a fairly obvious attempt to denigrate A-B and/or other U.S.
>brewers by posting a piece of BS. When I called him on it, he went
>crackers over my internet manners, rambling and raving about San Miguel
>and Red Horse. My only point was, and still is, that U.S. malt
>beverages, along with reputable off-shore breweries, have not and do not
>use 'formaldehyde' as an ingredient in their beverages. It does not
>'preserve' beer - it poisons it.
a) This thread went to hell with the first reply.
b) The U.S. Gov't produces or manufactures nothing. Work is
contracted out to the likes of Lockheed Martin, GE etc.
c) No wonder most inquiry posters never come back with a
"thanks", though many should since I've seen some good
dope disseminated in these threads.
tommyb