Does beer contain aspartame (NutraSweet. Equal, Spoonful, etc.) and do you know which beers
Betty Martini
of its being in beer. I'm looking for factual information. Aspartame
Disease has been declared a world epidemic by H. J. Roberts, M.D.,
You can send an empty emal to he...@dorway.com for a map of the 600
pages on aspartame on www.dorway.com
Thanks,
Betty Martini, Mission Possible International
Mike Read
American beers. After going to Germany and having many of my tastebuds
stimulated by "PURE" beers ... This is a horrible thought.
Mike
Betty Martini <mission-po...@altavista.net> wrote in message
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J2jurado
<<This is a horrible thought!!! Using more chemicals in domestic North
American beers. After going to Germany and having many of my tastebuds
stimulated by "PURE" beers ... This is a horrible thought.>>
No, this is an accusation, and one that is absolutely wrong as far as I
know...and I don't know every brewery/ What are you talking about anyway, using
"more chemicals"? There are brewers, small, medium and large (ie, A-B), which
do not use chemical additives.
The original poster may have also heard that it was approved for Elvis to brew
beer. Aspartame has been approved for use in all things comestible, that's what
the FDA did years ago...it did not just approve solely for use in soft drinks
and diet cocoa powdwers. That doesn't mean it is utilized. Besides, aspartame,
when heated...as in a pasteurizer, converts to a fairly bitter (non-sweet)
entity. Heat up some diet Coke and then cool it down...and taste it against a
control. As most major North American brewers pasteurize (except Coors and
MGD), and most regionals, that leaves the microbreweries to use aspartame.
Right.
Mike Read
are net telling us the whole truth as to what they put in beer over here.
Most beers have a chemical taste to it that doesn't seem to sit well with
me. Do you not agree with this?
Mike
J2jurado <j2ju...@aol.com> wrote in message
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J2jurado
<<They have no "Purity" laws on this continent ... I wouldn't doubt it if they
are net telling us the whole truth as to what they put in beer over here.>>
Well...you would be wrong then. Visit breweries in Canada and the USA. Maybe
you think they all are lieing to your face...I don't. What can be used in
brewing in Canada, the USa and in Mexico is very strictly controlled. It is not
the Reinheitsgebot, but I'll note there are some terrible beers to be found in
Bavaria that are Reihnheitsgebot-gebraut...fortunately just a very few.
<<Most beers have a chemical taste to it that doesn't seem to sit well with
me. Do you not agree with this?>>
I absolutely disagree...but I don't know which chemicals you normally drink to
compare with beer. I don't get chemical tatses. I don't drink American malt
liquors because I despise the estery, alcoholic notes. I do enjoy Bavarian
hefeweizens and their clovey, pphenolic notes...and a prreciate that they do
not add phenols are cloves as additives (!). I don't drink Lightbeers much
because they are too thin for me.But sorry, no chemiical tastes. It is
saddening that you have such confidence that a conspiracy of professional
brewers is hiding cemical additions from customers.
Mike Read
Particularily in the U.S.A.
Here in Canada our beers are strong ... But I am so burnt out of them. I
drink two and I find that I have a sick taste in my mouth possibly chemical
like? Who knows .. That is just the way I am going to percieve it. As for
American beers (Paricularily lagers and pilsners) can be classified under
two words "DOG PISS".
I have tasted some fine microbrews out of both the US and Canada that were
very appealing to the tastebuds but they seem to be few and far between. As
for Mexico .. hehe .. Can we truly classify that as beer?? =P I don't think
so.
While I was in Germany I can't even count how many beers I had the honor of
tasting (I know it was well over 100) but I can honestly say that there
wasn't one of those hundred that I didn't enjoy.
You also stated that we have "Strict" regulations over here. Sure .. We may
have strict regulations .. But "NO" purity laws as I pointed out. The kicker
for the big breweries is cash cash and more cash and let's see how many kegs
and cases we can get out there to promote our product. That's the American
way ;) and that will never change.
Mike
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beefjerky
Mike Read wrote in message ...
>Of course .. I think that anywhere you go there are nasty beers to be
found.
>Particularily in the U.S.A.
>Here in Canada our beers are strong ... But I am so burnt out of them. I
>drink two and I find that I have a sick taste in my mouth possibly chemical
>like? Who knows ..
BLAH BLAH BLAH
I find this to hold sort of true myself, WITH CANADIAN BEERS that is. i've
yet to find one that i truely give 2 thumbs up to. i have tried a lot of
canadian brews and most of them sucked. i've tried Molsen, Labbatt,
listwins, lakefront, mongoose, and many others that i can't think of right
now, and have not found any of them to be anything exceptional so far. i
wish someone could guide me to some really good canadian brew, because it
would be a shame to think that not 1 good beer comes out of a country like
that. sorry if i offended anyone by this statement, but i would choose alot
of American made brews over Canadian brews. i just haven't yet had one that
compares to a Sam Adams, or Guinness, or many others.
Beefjerky
Thomas Vodacek
Betty Martini <mission-po...@altavista.net> wrote in message
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> Aspartame has been approved for malt and we have received some reports
> of its being in beer. I'm looking for factual information. Aspartame
> Disease has been declared a world epidemic by H. J. Roberts, M.D.,
> You can send an empty emal to he...@dorway.com for a map of the 600
> pages on aspartame on www.dorway.com
>
> Thanks,
> Betty Martini, Mission Possible International
Betty,
If you ment approved as a malt -substitute-, that's bogus. It is -not-
usable by yeast for in fermentation. That's a fact.
Who is this -we- that recieved the reports and where can I see them?
And what is Aspartame Desease? I never heard of it before. And being
declared a world
epidemic by -one- doctor looks fishy to me. Now if it had been the AMA or
the WHO.......
Please be polite and respond through this group. They have an intrest in
this, too.
Tom
Brewing since 1982
Wayne Granger
checked. (or may be your head)
Wayne
beefjerky <fab...@bright.net> wrote in message
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R. Rikoski
I think the Canadian beers are better but not by much in comparison to
some of the European beers. Even there, what is it, is it Becks that is
now brewed in Canada.
There is the Budweiserization of beers going on all over the world. A
lot of beers are starting to taste the same independent of their
supposed country of origin.
I had Carlsberg Lager ata concert in Wembly stadium in London a year
ago last July. Tasted like warm Budweiser.
We sell a lot of Bud; they sell a lot of Carlsberg.
Lots of people actually like that Bud taste. Go figure.
But to drink it warm at $3.20 a bottle?
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In article <88t2gt$pi2$1...@mur2.odyssey.on.ca>, Wayne Granger
beefjerky
R. Rikoski wrote in message
>I think the Canadian beers are better but not by much in comparison to
>some of the European beers. Even there, what is it, is it Becks that is
>now brewed in Canada.
Wayne Granger wrote in message
>If you prefer U.S.beer over Canadian you should have your taste buds
>checked. (or may be your head)
>Wayne
i have tried a fair amount of Canadian brews and i'm not saying that i
prefer bud-mill-coors products over the ones i mentioned, but rather GOOD
American made brews, I.E. Sam Adams, Goose Island, Gennesee, Pete's, Crooked
River, and many other smaller brew makers products.
Beefjerky
ha...@nbnet.nb.ca
what is a canadien beer any way
Bruce A. Weir
> Betty,
> If you ment approved as a malt -substitute-, that's bogus. It is -not-
> usable by yeast for in fermentation. That's a fact.
> Who is this -we- that recieved the reports and where can I see them?
> And what is Aspartame Desease? I never heard of it before. And being
> declared a world
> epidemic by -one- doctor looks fishy to me. Now if it had been the AMA or
> the WHO.......
> Please be polite and respond through this group. They have an intrest in
> this, too.
Strictly speaking Aspartame does not cause disease but it is associated with
brain tumours and nerve damage. The problem occurs in the human gut when it
is broken down in phenylalanine, methanol and something else which I cannot
remember. All three of these chemicals have been shown to be toxic to humans
at concentrations that are typically associated with common ingestion of
Aspartame.
Anyway, it shouldn't be beer. No sir.
Betty Martini
I'm most happy to respond. I found that beer had been approved for
malt in an FDA record. They will be able to confirm it for you.
The reason I asked if aspartame was in beer is because today aspartame
is sometimes in natural and artificial flavors when you run it down
with each manufacturer and unlabeled. In l996 Dr. David Kessler
granted blanket approval for this deadly drug (that originally had a
drug application) to be used like sugar. It is estimated to be in
9000 products and climbing.
I thought I had given a web site so anyone interested can find a river
of information for confirmation. You can send an empty email to
he...@dorway.com for a map of the 600 pages on aspartame that prints
out to 8000 printed pages. This web site contains many reports you
would find hard to attain since they were gotten through Freedom of
Information, the Bressler Report, FDA audit, showing aspartame was
never proven safe, the damning CDC investigation, FDA report of 92
documented symptoms triggered by aspartame including 4 types of
seizures to coma and death, the secret trade information and even two
12 page letters written by the late Dr. Adrian Gross, FDA
Toxicologist, to Senator Metzenbaum about the horrors of the original
studies, brain tumors, etc. There is even the protest of the National
Soft Drink Association that became part of the Congressional Record.
They knew the gun was loaded. It even shows you that it was illegal
to put aspartame in pop under Section 409.
H. J. Roberts, M.D., is a world renowned physician who is author of
several books on aspartame and 200 publications. In l984 he was
selected as the best physician in the nation. He has just completed a
700 page medical text on the world plague of aspartame disease. You
can go to his web site at www.sunsentpress.com for more information.
On www.dorway.com if you put "doctors" in the search engine you will
find a river of information on the many problems aspartame can
precipitate from Alzheimers to Diabetes. Also, there is a brand new
medical report on DORway by Dr. James Bowen that every red bloodied
man should read - almost first on DORway, titled "Now Tonight Darling,
He said". I doubt if any man reading this report would ever use
aspartame again. Also, for those with audio plug into the recent Fox
News expose on NutraSweet in Washington, D.C., 12 minutes on the news.
Thank you for asking for more information. Our warning flyer is at
www.dorway.com/handouts.html titled NutraSweet Disease Is A worldwide
Plague. This is the one we distribute the world over.
All my best,
BettyOn Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:42:13 -0600, "Thomas Vodacek"
<vod...@compaq.net> wrote:
>
>Betty Martini <mission-po...@altavista.net> wrote in message
>news:38b0042f...@news.mindspring.com...
>> Aspartame has been approved for malt and we have received some reports
>> of its being in beer. I'm looking for factual information. Aspartame
>> Disease has been declared a world epidemic by H. J. Roberts, M.D.,
>> You can send an empty emal to he...@dorway.com for a map of the 600
>> pages on aspartame on www.dorway.com
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Betty Martini, Mission Possible International
>
>Betty,
>If you ment approved as a malt -substitute-, that's bogus. It is -not-
>usable by yeast for in fermentation. That's a fact.
>Who is this -we- that recieved the reports and where can I see them?
>And what is Aspartame Desease? I never heard of it before. And being
>declared a world
>epidemic by -one- doctor looks fishy to me. Now if it had been the AMA or
>the WHO.......
>Please be polite and respond through this group. They have an intrest in
>this, too.
>Tom
>Brewing since 1982
>
>
BsmntBrewr
>have strict regulations .. But "NO" purity laws as I pointed out.
Do you even know aything about what the Reinheitsgetbot, the precious purity
law you keep spouting off about? Do you even know how beer is made? From what
you have posted I would suggest not.
The beer purity law was enacted in Bavaria in 1516. According to the original
law only barley, water and hops were allowed in beer. They chaged it later
when science caught up with the breweing process and it was discovered that you
couldn't make beer with out yeast. Oh some other things allowed are slake
lime, chlorinization, ozonation, UV light, gypsum and calcium chloride. Some
other tricks of the trade include growing lactic acid bacteria for use in the
pure beers. Hmmm, just how pure is that beer?
Heck, its very arguable and likely that the purity law had more to do with
economics than quality beer. It protected barley farmers, maintained
reasonable prices, provided a steady tax revenue, and the omission of wheat as
an accepted ingredient helped to insure it was available for making bread to
feed the people.
Oh by the way, beer made for export does not have to comply. So if your
sucking down German sudds here in the states thinking its "pure", better check
that label.
I don't know what you think is in beer made in countries other than Germany.
American breweries use these very same ingredients and little else except
adjunts such as rice and corn, not allowed under the purity law, but they do
have a place in brewing some great beers. German brewers are not even allowed
to use roasted and/or flaked barley, commonly used in stouts or unmalted wheat
used in fine brews like Belgian witbeir. The fact is the damn purity law has
nothing to do with making German beer better than American beer. The Volstead
Act, world war and mass marketing have had more to do with altering our
Nation's taste to the insipid lagers that are now popular.
Learn something of the brewing process. If you were to do that you could
identify that "chemical taste" as a product of the brewing process, be it from
the malting of the grains, mashing, fermentation temperatures, yeast strain
used, how long it was boiled or even packaging and handling, not from some damn
imagined additive.
Hey after its all said and done the law is not a bad thing. Its steeped in
tradition and national pride. But it is not a garuntee of good brew that takes
a good brewer. Its very nature is limiting to the brewing imagination.
Bob
Brewing in the Blue Ridge Mountains
Owenbrau
>sucking down German sudds here in the states thinking its "pure", better
>check
>that label.
The Reinheitsgebot is not mandatory hese days, thanks to the EU. Most German
breweries still follow it voluntarily, but not all, and foriegn (to Germany)
beers that don't can now be sold in Germany.
Owen
"May be going to Hell in a bucket,
but at least I'm enjoying the ride..."
Dr H
On 4 Mar 2000, Owenbrau wrote:
}>Oh by the way, beer made for export does not have to comply. So if your
}>sucking down German sudds here in the states thinking its "pure", better
}>check that label.
}
}The Reinheitsgebot is not mandatory hese days, thanks to the EU. Most German
}breweries still follow it voluntarily, but not all, and foriegn (to Germany)
}beers that don't can now be sold in Germany.
I missed the beginning of this thread, but I have to ask: for what
earthly reason would any *brewer* add a non-nutritive sweetener to
a beer? They're all unfermentable, and some might actually inhibit
yeast activity.
Dr H
beefjerky
Dr H wrote in message ...
> I missed the beginning of this thread, but I have to ask: for what
> earthly reason would any *brewer* add a non-nutritive sweetener to
> a beer? They're all unfermentable, and some might actually inhibit
> yeast activity.
>
>Dr H
>
the original postee said that they heard it was Approved for use in beer,
not that it Was Being used in beer, and they wanted to know if any brew
masters were using the shit.
And, if you missed the begining of this thread, you probably missed the talk
about Canadian beer. where i mentioned the fact that i have never found any
of their beers to Exceptional, descent yes but not Great. and i was hoping
that you or somebody else would point me in the direction of a Canadian brew
that might be comparable to Guinness, Sam Smith, or Sam Adams in quality.
Beefjerky