Headaches from beer
Beer Boy
Charles Stuart wrote:
>
> Foamy wrote:
>
> > Most mass produced American beers give me a headache, especially Coors
> > and Bud. Some of the real cheap stuff like Scmidt does not. The must
> > put some really wierd chemicals into some of the brand names.
> >
> > Foamy (how much is a 6 pack of Billy's going for now?)
>
> Most beer gives me a headache or to be more precise, a migraine. I can
> consume a bottle of wine with little effect apart from drunkenness. A
> tablespoon of lager gives me a violent headache. It takes a bit more
> pale ale and I can just about risk half a pint of Newcastle Brown Ale.
> These quantities give me such a small dose of alcohol that it cannot be
> a hangover. My guess is that I have some sort of allergy or that there
> are some weird chemicals in beer. The odd thing is that Guinness does
> not affect me any more than does wine.
>
> Does anyone know what is in mass produced beer apart from water, alcohol
> and carbon dioxide?
>
All sorts of things, many of which could cause a hangover or an allergic
reaction.
I saw excerpts from a chemical jouranl article where they analyzed
various beers and spirits. Two beers included were Budweiser and
Genessee (for you non-New York folks-that's a beer made in Rochester,
NY). They have acetaldehyde, iso-amyl alochol, and some other nasty
stuff from the fermentation process. All of these have been implicated
in some hangover symptoms. Whisky has them too- as they are congeners of
(i.e., compounds with a similar boiling point to ) ethanol (drinakble
alcohol). SKYY vodka publicized this 1981 study to advertise their
vodka, which was touted as virtually free of congeners and fusel oil
(other nasty crap full of compounds that good distillation will remove
from spirits-which is what causes people to get sick or die from
poorly-made moonshine).
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms made them stop advertising
SKYY as a hangover-free beverage, as your body's enzymes can (and do)
produce these hangover compounds when the enzymes that break down
alcohol are overwhelmed (e.g., when a 150-pound male has more than
about 1 beer per hour). And the journal article, while helpful, really
was not instructive, as common sense would indicate that whisky has more
congeners (that's what gives whisky its flavor) than does vodka. And
they didn't compare SKYY to other vodkas.
Beers made with rice (Bud, Genny, Miller, Coors, Molson) cause allergic
reactions in some people, which may be the cause of your migraines.
I suppose another cause could be that some expensive industrial
corn/rice lagers such as Miller have preservatives to prevent skunking
(Molson and Bud don't, as far as I know). You could be allergic to the
preservatives they use. I doubt Schmidt's bothers spending money on
preservatives.
Just my two cents.
Beer Boy
Paul J. Ready
Beer Boy <guz...@beer.com> wrote:
>Charles Stuart wrote:
>>
>> Most beer gives me a headache or to be more precise, a migraine. I can
>> consume a bottle of wine with little effect apart from drunkenness. A
>> tablespoon of lager gives me a violent headache. It takes a bit more
>> pale ale and I can just about risk half a pint of Newcastle Brown Ale.
Sounds like an allergic reaction to me. Man that would suck, being allergic
to beer. You getting this when you wake up or shortly after you drink it?
>> are some weird chemicals in beer. The odd thing is that Guinness does
>> not affect me any more than does wine.
I've never had a Guinness hangover, must be the good stuff in it...
>All sorts of things, many of which could cause a hangover or an allergic
>reaction.
>
>I saw excerpts from a chemical jouranl article where they analyzed
>various beers and spirits. Two beers included were Budweiser and
>Genessee (for you non-New York folks-that's a beer made in Rochester,
Not to mention dehydration, caused by the liver metabolizing alcohol.
That will give you a headache and worse.
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Charles Stuart wrote:
>
> Foamy wrote:
>
> > Most mass produced American beers give me a headache, especially Coors
> > and Bud. Some of the real cheap stuff like Scmidt does not. The must
> > put some really wierd chemicals into some of the brand names.
> >
> > Foamy (how much is a 6 pack of Billy's going for now?)
>
> Most beer gives me a headache or to be more precise, a migraine. I can
> consume a bottle of wine with little effect apart from drunkenness. A
> tablespoon of lager gives me a violent headache. It takes a bit more
> pale ale and I can just about risk half a pint of Newcastle Brown Ale.
> These quantities give me such a small dose of alcohol that it cannot be
> a hangover. My guess is that I have some sort of allergy or that there
> are some weird chemicals in beer. The odd thing is that Guinness does
> not affect me any more than does wine.
>
> Does anyone know what is in mass produced beer apart from water, alcohol
> and carbon dioxide?
>
All sorts of things, many of which could cause a hangover or an allergic
reaction.
I saw excerpts from a chemical jouranl article where they analyzed
various beers and spirits. Two beers included were Budweiser and
Genessee (for you non-New York folks-that's a beer made in Rochester,
Just my two cents.
Beer Boy
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Charles Stuart <cha...@luna.co.uk> wrote:
>Foamy wrote:
>
>> Most mass produced American beers give me a headache, especially Coors
>> and Bud. Some of the real cheap stuff like Scmidt does not. The must
>> put some really wierd chemicals into some of the brand names.
>>
>> Foamy (how much is a 6 pack of Billy's going for now?)
>
>Most beer gives me a headache or to be more precise, a migraine. I can
>consume a bottle of wine with little effect apart from drunkenness. A
>tablespoon of lager gives me a violent headache. It takes a bit more
>pale ale and I can just about risk half a pint of Newcastle Brown Ale.
>These quantities give me such a small dose of alcohol that it cannot be
>a hangover. My guess is that I have some sort of allergy or that there
>are some weird chemicals in beer. The odd thing is that Guinness does
>not affect me any more than does wine.
>
>Does anyone know what is in mass produced beer apart from water, alcohol
>and carbon dioxide?
A friend of mine had a similar problem. He was told by a doctor that some beers
use chemical surfactants (sulfur compounds of some sort if I remember right) to
increase and keep the head on the beer looking good.
The doctor identified some beers without it and sure enough my friend finds
those fine. No headaches.
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Ian Brawn
Paul J. Ready wrote:
>
> I've never had a Guinness hangover, must be the good stuff in it...
>
You're not a very big drinker are you. If you ever make it past that
fourth pint you'd better have some toilet paper and some pain killers
ready.
Ian.
Andrew Louka
You can talk...
That's a well known student money-saving idea... drink lots of Guinness
at the weekend, then you won't need any toilet paper for the rest of the
week! As for the painkillers... you were right there ;-)
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Paul J. Ready
Ian Brawn <ian....@cern.ch> wrote:
>Paul J. Ready wrote:
>>
>> I've never had a Guinness hangover, must be the good stuff in it...
>>
>
>You're not a very big drinker are you. If you ever make it past that
>fourth pint you'd better have some toilet paper and some pain killers
>ready.
Whose pints? I'm not a very big drinker, but I'd go through a sixpack
and maybe have a couple of shots of Jameson's or another beer or two
along the way. That about covers my daily food intake anyway. I
certainly won't deny the part about the TP, that's the fiber. In
contrast, one or two Buds will give me a headache. Sure, if I downed
enough of it, it would give me a headache, that would be due to
dehydration from removing the alchohol instead of by-products.
Yes, I do blaspheme by drining it out of a bottle, most bars here
don't pour it right, and I'm not going to get my own keg unless
I know there are a lot of Guinness drinkers.
Ag Academy
Andrew Louka wrote:
>
> > Paul J. Ready wrote:
> > >
> > > I've never had a Guinness hangover, must be the good stuff in it...
> > You're not a very big drinker are you. If you ever make it past that
> > fourth pint you'd better have some toilet paper and some pain killers
> > ready.
> >
> at the weekend, then you won't need any toilet paper for the rest of the
> week! As for the painkillers... you were right there ;-)
>
Ahh- yes- Guinness _is_ a money-saving item. I spent a semester in Oxford and realized
too late that the money I paid the college did not include food. So I subsisted mostly
on steak & kidney pies and three or four pints a day of the dark stuff. Lotsa
calories!
Hmm. Never noticed any extra use of TP.
-Proud to prove that man can live on beer (almost) alone!
Steve Firth
Paul J. Ready <re...@enad240-001.cc.purdue.edu> wrote:
> >Charles Stuart wrote:
> >>
> >> Most beer gives me a headache or to be more precise, a migraine. I can
> >> consume a bottle of wine with little effect apart from drunkenness. A
> >> tablespoon of lager gives me a violent headache. It takes a bit more
> >> pale ale and I can just about risk half a pint of Newcastle Brown Ale.
>
> Sounds like an allergic reaction to me. Man that would suck, being allergic
> to beer. You getting this when you wake up or shortly after you drink it?
It's not an allergic reaction. Many migraine sufferers experience this
effect. <igraines are frequently caused by low blood sugar and drinking
alcohol is one way to lower your blood sugar. Charles should swap to
Lucozade.
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Rob Worsnop
On Tue, 06 May 1997 13:14:09 -0700, Ag Academy <aga...@inw.net> wrote:
>Andrew Louka wrote:
>Ahh- yes- Guinness _is_ a money-saving item. I spent a semester in Oxford and realized
>too late that the money I paid the college did not include food.
Could have been worse I suppose. You could have been one of those
hapless Americans who were conned into thinking that crappy college
(can't remember it's name) on the outskirts of Oxford was the real
thing.
Rob.
Ian Brawn
Paul J. Ready wrote:
>
> Ian Brawn <ian....@cern.ch> wrote:
> >Paul J. Ready wrote:
> >>
> >> I've never had a Guinness hangover, must be the good stuff in it...
> >>
> >
> >You're not a very big drinker are you. If you ever make it past that
> >fourth pint you'd better have some toilet paper and some pain killers
> >ready.
>
> and maybe have a couple of shots of Jameson's or another beer or two
> along the way.
But have you ever had more than four pints of guiness in one go? I find
it hard to believe that anyone can drink five or six pints of guiness
and not notice the distinctive effects which a hangover from stout will
give you. This was why I mentioned the toiler paper....
Personally, I don't much care for guiness. I await the day when one of
the Irish bars in Geneva is replaced by a Yorkshire bar, and I can get
a decent pint of bitter.
Ian.
Peter Harding
On Wed, 7 May 1997, Ian Brawn wrote:
> Personally, I don't much care for guiness. I await the day when one of
> the Irish bars in Geneva is replaced by a Yorkshire bar, and I can get
> a decent pint of bitter.
For a fiver?
David Roberts
Rob Worsnop wrote:
> Could have been worse I suppose. You could have been one of those
> hapless Americans who were conned into thinking that crappy college
> (can't remember it's name) on the outskirts of Oxford was the real
> thing.
Hapless eh? That's not quite the word I would have chosen.
David
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Didn't think the Swiss went in for that sort of thing........being happy.
Anthony Potts
On Wed, 7 May 1997, The Nit Nurse wrote:
> |>
> |>
> |>Yes. During Happy Hour.
>
> Didn't think the Swiss went in for that sort of thing........being happy.
>
There don't seem to be too many Swiss in the pubs. They are full of
British, Australians and U.S. people.
I think that the Swiss tend to prefer having a schnapps in a restaurant.
At least the ones I know do.
They actually view drinking a gallon of lager as something bizarre.
Charles Stuart
Steve Firth wrote:
> It's not an allergic reaction. Many migraine sufferers experience this
> effect. <igraines are frequently caused by low blood sugar and drinking
> alcohol is one way to lower your blood sugar. Charles should swap to
> Lucozade.
I didn't know that migraine could be caused by low blood sugar. But, if
this beer reaction is not an allergy, why the difference in reaction
between lager and stout? Thinking as I type, I wonder if it is
something to do with CO2? Lagers tend to be much fizzier and have the
CO2 added whereas stout has only the natural gas from fermentation.
Another thing is that wine causes me no trouble, nor do spirits and
adding a carbonated mixer does not cause me to get a headache either.
With migraines, I get them most often from disturbed sleep and more
often in the winter than the summer.
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The Nit Nurse
|>Paul J. Ready wrote:
|>>
|>> Beer Boy <guz...@beer.com> wrote:
|>> >Charles Stuart wrote:
|>> >>
|>> >> Most beer gives me a headache or to be more precise, a migraine. I can
|>> >> consume a bottle of wine with little effect apart from drunkenness. A
|>> >> tablespoon of lager gives me a violent headache. It takes a bit more
|>> >> pale ale and I can just about risk half a pint of Newcastle Brown Ale.
|>>
|>> Sounds like an allergic reaction to me. Man that would suck, being allergic
|>> to beer. You getting this when you wake up or shortly after you drink it?
|>
|>Immediately after I drink it. A lot less than a minute.
It's not migraine. Probably an allergic reaction as has been pointed out.
Red wine is one of the worst culprits for migraine, followed by dark beers.
Chocolate is also notorious for it. WHite wine tends to be 'migraine free'.
|>
|>That is a hangover and I rarely drink enough to get one. The headaches
|>I get are like getting an axe in the head...
That doesn't sound like a migraine - it's more a 'crushing of your skull'
pain, tends to cover an area, rather than focused on one point.
Charles Stuart
Paul J. Ready wrote:
>
> Beer Boy <guz...@beer.com> wrote:
> >Charles Stuart wrote:
> >>
> >> Most beer gives me a headache or to be more precise, a migraine. I can
> >> consume a bottle of wine with little effect apart from drunkenness. A
> >> tablespoon of lager gives me a violent headache. It takes a bit more
> >> pale ale and I can just about risk half a pint of Newcastle Brown Ale.
>
> Sounds like an allergic reaction to me. Man that would suck, being allergic
> to beer. You getting this when you wake up or shortly after you drink it?
Immediately after I drink it. A lot less than a minute. The problem
doesn't really bother me. The only beers that I've really liked are
brown ale and stout. Stout, which includes Guinness, doesn't cause the
problem so that is what I drink when I have beer. But I prefer wine or
spirits anyway.
>
> >> are some weird chemicals in beer. The odd thing is that Guinness does
> >> not affect me any more than does wine.
>
> I've never had a Guinness hangover, must be the good stuff in it...
On a serious note, that is very interesting. Perhaps there is something
unusual about Guinness.
>
> >All sorts of things, many of which could cause a hangover or an allergic
> >reaction.
> >
> >I saw excerpts from a chemical jouranl article where they analyzed
> >various beers and spirits. Two beers included were Budweiser and
> >Genessee (for you non-New York folks-that's a beer made in Rochester,
>
> Not to mention dehydration, caused by the liver metabolizing alcohol.
> That will give you a headache and worse.
That is a hangover and I rarely drink enough to get one. The headaches
I get are like getting an axe in the head...or at least how I imagine
that to feel!
Premium Bill Mugrage
Gulliver wrote:
>
> On Thu, 8 May 1997, Anthony Potts wrote:
>
> > I think that the Swiss tend to prefer having a schnapps in a restaurant.
> >
> > At least the ones I know do.
> >
> > They actually view drinking a gallon of lager as something bizarre.
>
>
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Probally another English assault on their sanity!
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Gulliver
On Thu, 8 May 1997, The Nit Nurse wrote:
> In article <337136...@luna.co.uk>, cha...@luna.co.uk wrote:
> |>
> |>That is a hangover and I rarely drink enough to get one. The headaches
> |>I get are like getting an axe in the head...
>
> That doesn't sound like a migraine - it's more a 'crushing of your skull'
> pain, tends to cover an area, rather than focused on one point.
You know, reading all this just makes me so glad that (to my knowledge)
nothing gives me migraine and beer doesn't give me a headache.
You poor people have my sympathy!
Steve Firth
Charles Stuart <cha...@luna.co.uk> wrote:
> I didn't know that migraine could be caused by low blood sugar. But, if
> this beer reaction is not an allergy, why the difference in reaction
> between lager and stout?
Well, I'll retract a little.. it's not as likely to be an allergy as it
is to be plain low blood sugar. I wouldn't rule it out completely. I
guess one possible reason for a lager/stout difference is that stout has
more sugar in it than lager. The point of lager brewing is to ferment
out as much sugar as possible. Stout OTOH is designed to have a
relatively high sugar content.
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Jim Nichols
In article <336bd072...@news.accessone.com>, envi...@accessone.com
wrote:
>Charles Stuart <cha...@luna.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Foamy wrote:
>>
>>> Most mass produced American beers give me a headache, especially Coors
>>> and Bud. Some of the real cheap stuff like Scmidt does not. The must
>>> put some really wierd chemicals into some of the brand names.
Formaldehyde.
Some brewers put it into the process. Speeds things up. They say they
take it all out but a little remains and will give you a headache every
time.
I drink Miller Sharps and O'Doules and never a problem. These are
non-alcoholic so they may process differently.
Anyway, it is the formaldehyde (the spelling looks right to me!)
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Gulliver
In article <33734...@pc-breweriana.com>, Premium Bill Mugrage
<pre...@pc-breweriana.com> writes
>Gulliver wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 8 May 1997, Anthony Potts wrote:
>>
>> > I think that the Swiss tend to prefer having a schnapps in a restaurant.
>> >
>> > At least the ones I know do.
>> >
>> > They actually view drinking a gallon of lager as something bizarre.
>>
>> What do they think of a yard of ale?
>>
What do you mean "another" ?
You know your name sounds like a beer.
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Jim Nichols <ka...@olympus.net> wrote in article
<karl-09059...@papm021.olympus.net>...
i thinkoyur write,trying drinking stout(guinness,murpphys,beamish).tastes
nicer(beware you may not like youre first) and the hangovers are not as bad