V-chip
pke...@cts.com
> da...@sternlight.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>
> )
> ) Commercial programs sell their sponsors the demographics and
> ) would likely not be willing to lose the volume of advertising
> ) revenues associated with violent programs with a big youth
> ) audience. Rather than sending the V-chip signal, they'd
> ) mild-down the content.
> )
> ) In contrast, violent shows with a primarily non-child audience
> ) (for instance some later evening programs) would probably not
> ) be softened.
>
> The thing that bothers me about the V-chip is that it
> has such limited power. Why not have all programs
> send something that would identify the program itself
> rather than just the fact that it is or is not rated
> "V"?
>
> Add one more chip and the user would be able to load
> in whatever rating system they wanted that contained a
> data base of acceptable and unacceptable programs.
> Parents could download (or have pre-installed)
> whatever group's product they wanted. Then it would
> be like the existing filter programs for the internet.
> Why lock in a one-size-fits-all type of rating system?
>
> It seems like the v-chip is 20 year old technology
> being mandated into 21st century recievers that will
> have enough computing power to handle a system that
> will give full control to parents rather than some
> board of selectors.
>
>
> --
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> [see above for information
> on gnus 5.x newsreader]
Fred,
Granted the technology is available to do as you suggest. Two issues the first
is who is going to load ALL the existing programs into the data base/or download
them for that matter.
The second and the reason for the V-chip having four levels, if I hear NBC
correctly, is to allow setting of four basic levels in three different areas, Sex,
vioance and language.
The real issue goes back to parents taking the time to control what their
offspring watch. The V-chip as designed today allows them to set it and forget it.
Your suggestion would require them to actually take time and decide what their
offspring would watch say on a weekly basis. They could do that TODAY without the
chip and aren't.
Besides, most consumers have a problem setting the time on their VCR's what
makes you think they could figure out how to program their multiprogram database
driven V-chip
Bob Fredricks
seriously until we stupidly gave the Republicans control of Congress by
not voting in the 1994 election. It just shows you how unimportant those
off-year elections are. The V-chip is totally unnecessary when there is a
perfectly good on-off switch on the TV set. These radicals in Congress
will do anything to undermine freedom. Isn't it interesting how they want
government out of some businesses and deeply into others.
Bob Fredricks
T. Carr
Bob , I suggest you review the voting record of ALL the people who
voted for the telecommunications bill. You will find plenty of wonderful
democrats that voted for the bill, including President Clinton. You can
hardly accuse the President of being afraid to veto anything he has not
liked recently.
Of course, If you discover the FACTS, it kinda blows your right wing
radical republican issue out the window (on this issue).
Last point.. "WE" did give the republicans control of the congress..
WE, the voting electorate of this country. WE have a opportunity to
confirm, or replace every congressman, 1/3 of the senators, and the
president this fall.
Funny, its only "stupid" when your party loses
T. Carr
Thomas R. Kauffman
Bob Fredricks <er...@pcsd.com> wrote:
> This whole V-chip thing is more right-wing censorship. This was't taken
>seriously until we stupidly gave the Republicans control of Congress by
>not voting in the 1994 election. It just shows you how unimportant those
>off-year elections are. The V-chip is totally unnecessary when there is a
>perfectly good on-off switch on the TV set. These radicals in Congress
>will do anything to undermine freedom. Isn't it interesting how they want
>government out of some businesses and deeply into others.
>
>Bob Fredricks
>
content') - I'm looking forward to the V-chip. No more infomercials, no more
televangelists with an 800-number for 'prayer line' and contributions -- and
if I *can't* block these, the rating system is not set up in accordance with
the legislation.
Tom Kauffman
starshadow
> This whole V-chip thing is more right-wing censorship. This was't taken
>seriously until we stupidly gave the Republicans control of Congress by
>not voting in the 1994 election. It just shows you how unimportant those
>off-year elections are. The V-chip is totally unnecessary when there is a
>perfectly good on-off switch on the TV set. These radicals in Congress
>will do anything to undermine freedom. Isn't it interesting how they want
>government out of some businesses and deeply into others.
Yeah, I'm with you there, brother. I'm just watching "the
Handmaid's Tale". If the Christian Coalition (bearing, I might add, no
resemblence to the religion practiced by a good many of my friends who
try their best to follow Christ) has their way, may well show our
future.
(These same people who cannot handle on-off switches, also cannot
deal with the plug and the choice to pull it.)
Bright Blessings,
Starshadow star...@aa.net
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joseph richard koleszar
>Bob Fredricks <er...@pcsd.com> wrote:
> Yeah, I'm with you there, brother. I'm just watching "the
>Handmaid's Tale". If the Christian Coalition (bearing, I might add, no
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is that anything like _Revolt in 2100_?
Ralph
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> This whole V-chip thing is more right-wing censorship. This was't taken
> seriously until we stupidly gave the Republicans control of Congress by
> not voting in the 1994 election. It just shows you how unimportant those
> off-year elections are. The V-chip is totally unnecessary when there is a
> perfectly good on-off switch on the TV set. These radicals in Congress
> will do anything to undermine freedom. Isn't it interesting how they want
> government out of some businesses and deeply into others.
You know, I haven't noticed anyone make the following observations, so
I will...
(1) Anyone notice that in order to limit children's access to material
which may be objectionable to children, Congress approved a
technological solution (the V-chip) for Television?
Yet Congress seems to think a technological solution doesn't
exist for the Internet to serve the same purpose?
(2) If a V-chip allows people to screen out material which is objectionable
for children through a technological solution, what is to stop
television producers to produce even _more_ hardcore stuff for
TV? That is, now that there is a method for (theoretically) screening
television violence and sex from children, what is to keep producers
from getting even _more_ hardcore?
It's the same theory as for movies: for a while there in the late
80's, often producers would _add_ sex scenes in order to _increase_
their ratings from a PG to an R, because they knew that they needed
an R rating to be taken seriously (and be successful) for the type
of movie they were producing. (Example: Time Cop--there's one very
graphic sex scene which serves no purpose other than getting the
movie rated R; without it, the movie would have clocked in only as
a PG. And for the type of movie (action-adventure), you _need_ an
R to be taken seriously...)
Just a couple of observations...
- Bill
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Bob Fredricks <er...@pcsd.com> wrote:
> This whole V-chip thing is more right-wing censorship. This was't taken
>seriously until we stupidly gave the Republicans control of Congress by
>not voting in the 1994 election. It just shows you how unimportant those
>off-year elections are. The V-chip is totally unnecessary when there is a
>perfectly good on-off switch on the TV set. These radicals in Congress
>will do anything to undermine freedom. Isn't it interesting how they want
>government out of some businesses and deeply into others.
>
>
>
>
ELMORE DANIEL JAMES
>Bob Fredricks <er...@pcsd.com> wrote:
>> This whole V-chip thing is more right-wing censorship. This was't taken
>> seriously until we stupidly gave the Republicans control of Congress by
>> not voting in the 1994 election. It just shows you how unimportant those
>> off-year elections are. The V-chip is totally unnecessary when there is a
>> perfectly good on-off switch on the TV set. These radicals in Congress
>> will do anything to undermine freedom. Isn't it interesting how they want
>> government out of some businesses and deeply into others.
First of all, I believe that Clinton and many in his crowd are
pushing this, and I would have a hard time seeing him as a right-winger.
Second of all, though I know little of this device, my understanding is
that it can be disabled by the adults. Thus no governmental censorship is
involved as it all happens or doesn't happen based on whether or not the
parents choose to engage the thing. This isn't censorship, it's giving
the parents the ability to make their choices stick even if they aren't
there.
Jim in Boulder
Babylon (Ray)
I agree. And from a parental control standpoint I think the V-Chip makes
a lot of sense. One problem tho: These same adults can't seem to get
the "12:00" to stop flashing on thier VCR's. These same kids can
outsmart the "child protector" caps on pill bottles in no time.
Do you see the same problem here that I do?
Babylon (Ray)
Louis Newstrom
Expand the V-Chip to allow blocking ANY objectionable materials.
I would love to be able to block all commercials from my TV...
Just block any program or commercial asking for money.
(Of course this would include the Christian channels...)
akl...@slip.net
> This whole V-chip thing is more right-wing censorship.
>The V-chip is totally unnecessary when there is a perfectly good on-off >switch on the TV set.
As a decidedly NON right-winger, and a parent, I have to disagree.
The V-chip gives the PARENTS the ability to censor.
The on-off switch works just fine when mommy or daddy are in the room
but, when they aren't, the chip enforces THEIR censorship. It
reinforces *parental responsibility*.
It won't censor ME at all. I just won't program my set to stop any
programs. And my daughter, who is now an adult, watches whatever she
wants. But, when she was little, I would have had the chip set to
censor violent or sexually-oriented shows. Just in case.
--
Al
J Sisk
>>>> First of all, I believe that Clinton and many in his crowd are
>>>> pushing this, and I would have a hard time seeing him as a right-winger.
>>>> Second of all, though I know little of this device, my understanding is
>>>> that it can be disabled by the adults. Thus no governmental censorship is
>>>> involved as it all happens or doesn't happen based on whether or not the
>>>> parents choose to engage the thing. This isn't censorship, it's giving
>>>> the parents the ability to make their choices stick even if they aren't
>>>> there.
>>>> Jim in Boulder
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I agree. And from a parental control standpoint I think the V-Chip makes
>>>a lot of sense. One problem tho: These same adults can't seem to get
>>>the "12:00" to stop flashing on thier VCR's. These same kids can
>>>outsmart the "child protector" caps on pill bottles in no time.
>>>Do you see the same problem here that I do?
>>>Babylon (Ray)
of thing-A big "V" button on the remote, press it, then enter a
4-digit code. No harder than using an ATM, and I'm sure most
Americans can do that. I don't really find this V-chip thing to be a
big deal...I do wish they wouldn't put them in every TV, especially
since they'll probably jack up the prices cause of it..
jsisk
djwa...@cris.com
viewer
> First of all, I believe that Clinton and many in his crowd are
>pushing this, and I would have a hard time seeing him as a right-winger.
>Second of all, though I know little of this device, my understanding is
>that it can be disabled by the adults. Thus no governmental censorship is
>involved as it all happens or doesn't happen based on whether or not the
>parents choose to engage the thing. This isn't censorship, it's giving
>the parents the ability to make their choices stick even if they aren't
>there.
Two things to consider:
1. When children can be "protected" from "objectionable" material,
you will see an even further decline of programming "content"
on "adult" channels.
2. Once the dust has settled, and a steady diet of gratuitus sex
and violence is accepted, stage two will kick in: allowing
children access to "adult" material will constitute "child abuse",
creating a pretext for "intervention".
Sulla
> >>>a lot of sense.
Of course, the V-chip will be able to program out commercials, won't it?
--
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Warren
wrote:
>It won't censor ME at all. I just won't program my set to stop any
>programs. And my daughter, who is now an adult, watches whatever she
>wants. But, when she was little, I would have had the chip set to
>censor violent or sexually-oriented shows. Just in case.
>
>--
>Al
>
But who determines what shows are "violent or sexually-oriented?" You
won't be allowed as a parent to make that determination. It will be
decided instead by either the network producers, voluntarily, or by
the govenment, if the government decides the networks aren't doing the
job very well. The networks will be under intense economic pressures
just as the movie studios are to get more people to view their
programs and sell products.
Warren.
Mike Wozmak
We could take non-alcoholic beers and insert an alcohol canister
in the can. People over the legal drinking age could be given
a special key to pop the canister to make it a regular beer.
Minors could be kept from imbibing the demon alcohol and America
would be the perfect society ;)
Woz
Gundel
networks to show whatever kind of programs they want to, as they have begun
to do already. The V-Chip, as I see it, will do away with most of the
objections that people have to uncensored network television. It could very
well do just the opposite of what everyone else seems to think it will do.
We laugh because it's funny,
and we laugh because it's true.
Dave Moorman
Su...@globaldialog.com (Sulla) wrote:
> > >>>I agree. And from a parental control standpoint I think the V-Chip
makes
> > >>>a lot of sense.
>
> Of course, the V-chip will be able to program out commercials, won't it?
Only the violent ones.
Dave
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Bill Duncan
Good luck - one cable box I had had programmable parental lockout. It
was nice because you could lock out any of the channels you never watched
and wanted to skip over. I don't know what they did but it would not lock
out the shopping channels :-(
If it's implemented well, the V-chip is a great option for tailoring what
your television will output. It's amazing that Congress is going in the
opposite direction for the Internet. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised -
this way they force people to buy V-chips. But for the Internet where
everyone has to buy software anyway, they've left the doors open to endless
court cases and dollars wasted trying to catch those spreading obscenity (
whatever the hell that really means). Big business will be happy, lawyers will
be happy, because we will be shelling out endless money to enforce this
stupid law.
is happy, law enforcement is happy
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Eugene Tyurin
> The V-chip gives the PARENTS the ability to censor.
Actually, I have only one question: what is the password length in a
V-chip? I never heard this issue raised.
--
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http://www.physics.sunysb.edu/~gene/
sp...@datasync.com
>On 15 Feb 1996 06:06:52 GMT, Bob Fredricks <er...@pcsd.com> wrote:
>
>> This whole V-chip thing is more right-wing censorship.
>
>>The V-chip is totally unnecessary when there is a perfectly good on-off >switch on the TV set.
>
>As a decidedly NON right-winger, and a parent, I have to disagree.
>
>The V-chip gives the PARENTS the ability to censor.
>
>The on-off switch works just fine when mommy or daddy are in the room
>but, when they aren't, the chip enforces THEIR censorship. It
>reinforces *parental responsibility*.
>
>It won't censor ME at all. I just won't program my set to stop any
>programs. And my daughter, who is now an adult, watches whatever she
>wants. But, when she was little, I would have had the chip set to
>censor violent or sexually-oriented shows. Just in case.
>
>--
>Al
>
Just my .02, but does anyone have an idea of what THEY will rate the
evening news. This has got to contain just about the most violence of
any show. Murder, rape, robbery, hostages, drugs, gangs, shootouts,
take downs, arson, bombings, death, destruction, riots, etc. Or how
about rating commercials? I would immediately zap all the ones for
douches, yeast infections, hemorrhoids, jock itch, etc. Definitely not
material for children.
It's funny, I look around at the people I grew up with and others in
my age group, and don't find many people who have been screwed up
because of TV. Maybe that's because the TV was never used as an
electronic baby sitter on us. We would always be chased outside to
play. 50 below, 100mph winds, with 25 ft of snow, mom would say "It's
nice outside, go play." This is as opposed to today where many kids
come home to an empty house and get in an hour or two of TV before
even seeing a parent. Our house had ONE TV. Walk into most houses
today and you'll find at least two if not three or four. They're in
the living room, kitchen, all the bed rooms, even the bathroom! What's
considered family time today? All of the family gathered around the
TV!
I'm NOT saying violence on TV doesn't exist, and I'm NOT saying that
it might not cause some problems with some of our children. What I am
saying is that we may not be fully attacking the full problem. Sort of
like setting the dog on fire to get rid of its fleas.
Well I've run out of steam and I'm overdrawn on my .02, flame away.
I've got my asbestos suit ready just in case.
Tom
Rich
> On Mon, 19 Feb 1996 17:23:47 GMT, akl...@slip.net wrote:
>
> >On 15 Feb 1996 06:06:52 GMT, Bob Fredricks <er...@pcsd.com> wrote:
> >
> >> This whole V-chip thing is more right-wing censorship.
> >
> >>The V-chip is totally unnecessary when there is a perfectly good on-off >switch on the TV set.
> >
> >As a decidedly NON right-winger, and a parent, I have to disagree.
> >
> >The V-chip gives the PARENTS the ability to censor.
> >
> >The on-off switch works just fine when mommy or daddy are in the room
> >but, when they aren't, the chip enforces THEIR censorship. It
> >reinforces *parental responsibility*.
> >
> >It won't censor ME at all. I just won't program my set to stop any
> >programs. And my daughter, who is now an adult, watches whatever she
> >wants. But, when she was little, I would have had the chip set to
> >censor violent or sexually-oriented shows. Just in case.
> >
> >--
> >Al
> >
What I am really against is censorship imposed on me by the do-
gooders who think they know better than I do what I should see
or hear or read.
When we lose our first amendment rights we might just as well invite
big brother into our homes.
Kurt Friis Hansen
| How's this for a suggestion:
| Expand the V-Chip to allow blocking ANY objectionable materials.
| I would love to be able to block all commercials from my TV...
| Just block any program or commercial asking for money.
| (Of course this would include the Christian channels...)
Although I do not suspect, that the politicos would cut their own funding,
the V-chip at least demonstrates, that it should be posible to block
commercials!
In Europe we have automatic start/stop of video machines controlled by PDC
or VPS, so that we do get the actual recording requested - even if the
film, play or whatever is delayed (say due to a football game running into
overtime).
Now the politicos will have some real hard time denying us the right to
block commercials, and we could ask them to supply signals, that stopped
our video machines before commercials and started them again after...
Imagine... a recording without commercials!!!!
Pester your local politico... (s)he'll scream bloody something... but
(s)he's shown the way...
Let's start the "citizens for video recordings without commercials"
movement....
Best regards and a big, cynical smile
Kurt Friis Hansen
Venlig hilsen/Best regards/Viele Gruesse
Kurt Friis Hansen - kfr...@aix1.danadata.dk
Bryan Ayers
>On 15 Feb 1996 06:06:52 GMT, Bob Fredricks <er...@pcsd.com> wrote:
>>The V-chip is totally unnecessary when there is a perfectly good on-off
>>switch on the TV set.
>As a decidedly NON right-winger, and a parent, I have to disagree.
>The V-chip gives the PARENTS the ability to censor.
A future police state is far worse for your kids than anything
that could be on Television. While you were sleeping the government set
the precident that they have the right to put microchips in peoples homes.
The V-chip isn't optional, it is manditory, and if you think television
is so bad for your kids just wait for the next micro-chips.
The thing that really burns me about this is that it has been done
under the guise of child protection, and they are the ones who will have
to live with the decision. Women over the age of 55' watch television
more than any other group- where's the crime wave of acts by 55+ women
turned into savages by sex and violence on TV? Over 50% of internet users
are in the top 25% wage category(IBD), again where is the crime wave? The
fact is that the evidence for sex and violence in the media causing crime
and social problems is non-existant, while evidence that other things like
poverty, lack of education, and unemployment cause crime and social problems
is very strong. We aren't going to solve our problems by chucking our
civil liberties out the window.
...And if you want a V-chip, you chose it, you buy it, who knows they may
make a chip for me to block out commercials, political campaings, and
all those stupid Religious shows ...
David Rosenfield
>
> news...@iu.net (Louis Newstrom) wrote:
>
> | How's this for a suggestion:
>
> | Expand the V-Chip to allow blocking ANY objectionable materials.
Why don't we just expand the V-chip to block EVERYTHING, then the world
would be a good and happy place again!
--
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be invented to describe how totally whatever it is you are,
but you are one, and a total, total one at that!)
Elizabeth Windsor
> How's this for a suggestion:
> Expand the V-Chip to allow blocking ANY objectionable materials.
I thank my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, that the television
industry has finally come up with a way so that we may purge the filthy
disgusting programming that many television stations broadcast.
Even PBS claims that they broadcast "quality programming." All
I've seen lately are programs that encourage abortions, godlessness and
other immoral behavior.
Whatever happened to programs that teach the moral laws that God
sent to us and Jesus died for? Why is our government, the government
founded on the principal, "In God We Trust," helping to fund programming
that is sent by way of PBS, and used for "educating" people on ways to
murder their innocent unborn? Why?
Have any of you ever wondered why PBS fails to help protect life,
yet broadcasts information that helps people murder their unborn? They
claim that they're educational, and imply that they're "moral" and only
broadcast "quality programming." Why do they refuse to broadcast sensible
programming such as Pat Robinson or the 700 Club? Who really runs that
network?
We need that chip installed in every television, in every home
across the country. We need to let the people that run filthy godless,
un-Christian networks, like PBS, that we won't take it any longer!
I consider the "V-chip" a Victory for Christ chip.
Betty
John Murray
>On 15 Feb 1996 06:06:52 GMT, Bob Fredricks <er...@pcsd.com> wrote:
>> This whole V-chip thing is more right-wing censorship.
>>The V-chip is totally unnecessary when there is a perfectly good on-off >switch on the TV set.
>As a decidedly NON right-winger, and a parent, I have to disagree.
>The V-chip gives the PARENTS the ability to censor.
>The on-off switch works just fine when mommy or daddy are in the room
>but, when they aren't, the chip enforces THEIR censorship. It
>reinforces *parental responsibility*.
>It won't censor ME at all. I just won't program my set to stop any
>programs. And my daughter, who is now an adult, watches whatever she
>wants. But, when she was little, I would have had the chip set to
>censor violent or sexually-oriented shows. Just in case.
>--
>Al
I am decidedly NON Right Winger too. I don't think the V-chip goes
far enough. Of course there's the on/off swich or the channel
changer; but what happens when you fall asleep Saturday night (drunk)
with the TV on, to be rudely awakened when programming resumes Sunday
morning with some Bible thumper preaching fire, brimstone, hell, and
damnation at 5:30 AM? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN VERN?
I want to be able to block *ALL* offensive programming; especially
preachers and paid programs (those awful 30 minute commercials).
John Murray
j...@io.com
Victokai
I sure hope that this is a troll.
Victokai, the man with no .sig
Greg Berigan
>Su...@globaldialog.com (Sulla) wrote:
>>@ () wrote:
>>>@ () wrote:
>>>>@ () wrote:
>>>>>@ () wrote:
>>>>>>I agree. And from a parental control standpoint I think the V-Chip makes
>>>>>>a lot of sense.
>>Of course, the V-chip will be able to program out commercials, won't it?
>Only the violent ones.
Not the ones like, "Mom, do you ever feel... you know... not so fresh?"
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On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Elizabeth Windsor wrote:
> A good Christian wrote:
>
> > How's this for a suggestion:
>
> > Expand the V-Chip to allow blocking ANY objectionable materials.
>
> I thank my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, that the television
> industry has finally come up with a way so that we may purge the filthy
> disgusting programming that many television stations broadcast.
Oh, _this_ is a promising start.
Personally, I'd not be thanking Jesus, as he had no influence on the
broadcast industry. The Federal Communications Commission deserves more
of the credit, or blame (as the case may be).
> Even PBS claims that they broadcast "quality programming." All
> I've seen lately are programs that encourage abortions, godlessness and
> other immoral behavior.
Yeah, Barney and Sesame Street and (locally) imported British comedies
are just *so* chock full of abortions, godlessness, and other immoral
behavior.
> Whatever happened to programs that teach the moral laws that God
> sent to us and Jesus died for? Why is our government, the government
> founded on the principal, "In God We Trust," helping to fund programming
> that is sent by way of PBS, and used for "educating" people on ways to
> murder their innocent unborn? Why?
The "moral law" programming has been taken over by the all-religion,
all-the-time broadcasters like Trinity Broadcasting Network, which is
currently leeching a perfectly good local transmitter, which *could* be
showing monster movies, syndicated reruns of STAR TREK and NIGHT COURT,
and in general taking up the slack from our local supposed FOX affiliate.
If you're not getting enough religious programming to suit you, perhaps
you should buy a sattelite dish.
THe government may have been founded on a principle of "In God We Trust",
but there's also such items as the Constitution and the Bill of Rights...
you may recall a line about "seperation of church and state" and another
noting "freedom of speech, freedom of religion"?
> Have any of you ever wondered why PBS fails to help protect life,
> yet broadcasts information that helps people murder their unborn? They
> claim that they're educational, and imply that they're "moral" and only
> broadcast "quality programming." Why do they refuse to broadcast sensible
> programming such as Pat Robinson or the 700 Club? Who really runs that
> network?
I dunno... perhaps because the unborn aren't gonna contribute to the
pledge drives? They *are* pretty educational - you'll learn a lot more
watching PBS than mindwiping yourself in front of the 700 Club. Why don't
they broadcast Bible-banger progams? Good taste. That, and the
above-mentioned "church and state" bit (being a publically-funded
corporation). And what about the fact that religious broadcasters are
able to leech off a *lot* more money from the True Believers than PBS can
convince casual viewers to cough up.
Of course, PBS doesn't co-opt God into becoming a strongarm thug, as Oral
Roberts did.
> We need that chip installed in every television, in every home
> across the country. We need to let the people that run filthy godless,
> un-Christian networks, like PBS, that we won't take it any longer!
Zu befhel, herr Thought Policeperson!
Luckily, the V-Chip will only show up in _new_ TVs. Gives all us
non-moralistas the time to figure ways to break it, to reprogram it, and
in general to make it something quite the opposite of it's design intent.
> I consider the "V-chip" a Victory for Christ chip.
Yeah, Jesus is up there high-fiving, spiking his halo, and doing the
Ickey Shuffle.
Don
Fuck the CDA.
Leanore
>On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Elizabeth Windsor wrote:
>
>> A good Christian wrote:
>>
>> > How's this for a suggestion:
>>
>> > Expand the V-Chip to allow blocking ANY objectionable materials.
>>
>> I thank my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, that the television
>> industry has finally come up with a way so that we may purge the filthy
>> disgusting programming that many television stations broadcast.
>>
>> I've seen lately are programs that encourage abortions, godlessness and
>> other immoral behavior.
>>
>> sent to us and Jesus died for? Why is our government, the government
>> founded on the principal, "In God We Trust," helping to fund programming
>> that is sent by way of PBS, and used for "educating" people on ways to
>> murder their innocent unborn? Why?
>>
>> yet broadcasts information that helps people murder their unborn? They
>> claim that they're educational, and imply that they're "moral" and only
>> broadcast "quality programming." Why do they refuse to broadcast sensible
>> programming such as Pat Robinson or the 700 Club? Who really runs that
>> network?
>>
>> across the country. We need to let the people that run filthy godless,
>> un-Christian networks, like PBS, that we won't take it any longer!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>I sure hope that this is a troll.
> Victokai, the man with no .sig
>
ranting for the day against close-minded bigots for one day....
Leanore
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>>
>> > Expand the V-Chip to allow blocking ANY objectionable materials.
>>
Good idea. I want my V-chip programmed to reject all materials containing the
words: God, Jesus, Bible, Christian, church, prophet, priest, minister,
heaven, hell.
"I never sais this. If I did, it was cited out of context.
If it wasn't, I did not mean what I said. And if I did,
I forgot everything about it."
starshadow
>In article <4g26ej$7...@Holly.aa.net>, starshadow <star...@aa.net> wrote:
>>Bob Fredricks <er...@pcsd.com> wrote:
>> Yeah, I'm with you there, brother. I'm just watching "the
>>Handmaid's Tale". If the Christian Coalition (bearing, I might add, no
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Is that anything like _Revolt in 2100_?
Something, not the same, though. I recommend both the book and the
movie, each for its own reasons. Book by Margaret Atwood.
Bright Blessings,
Starshadow star...@aa.net
"Feminism: the radical notion that women are people, too."
damion
Brian Voth
Trolling for Jesus wrote:
>> I consider the "V-chip" a Victory for Christ chip.
Not true. In actuality the V-chip legitimates violence on television.
It in effect says, "Now that children can be shielded from violence on T.V.,
the standards for the medium can be lowered to allow more violence to be
shown." The argument, "We don't want our kids to see that." will no longer
be able to be used to stop violent programming.
Soon we may see the S-chip (sex), the P-chip (profanity), and the
T-chip (televangelists), which we can optionally use to protect our kids
from the horrors of the real world. These will open the door to more vulgar
programming on the networks. Of course, putting sex, violence, and profanity
into a show won't necessarily improve it, but it will allow clever writers
and producers to present these subjects, and do so in an interesting and
provocative manner.
Brian
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is to discover them."
-- Galileo Galilei
Noah Dowd
> |>
> |> Expand the V-Chip to allow blocking ANY objectionable materials.
> |>
> |> Just block any program or commercial asking for money.
> |>
> |> (Of course this would include the Christian channels...)
> |>
> |>
>
> was nice because you could lock out any of the channels you never watched
> and wanted to skip over. I don't know what they did but it would not lock
> out the shopping channels :-(
>
> If it's implemented well, the V-chip is a great option for tailoring what
> your television will output. It's amazing that Congress is going in the
> opposite direction for the Internet. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised -
> this way they force people to buy V-chips. But for the Internet where
> everyone has to buy software anyway, they've left the doors open to endless
> court cases and dollars wasted trying to catch those spreading obscenity (
> whatever the hell that really means). Big business will be happy, lawyers will
> be happy, because we will be shelling out endless money to enforce this
> stupid law.
> is happy, law enforcement is happy
I agree. I saw the following piece of information in another of the
"Great Spam"
threads going around, but I haven't seen it yet in this one. As I feel
it's very
important and relevant knowledge when the Bill of Rights is being raped,
I've
decided to let you all know (no no, too much applause, really) in the
hopes that
the Exon bill will be defeated in the courts and be non-enforceable.
---------------------------Begin included
text---------------------------------
JURY LIBERATION
The following is genuinely forbidden information, which our rulers
would rather you not know: A jury can acquit simply because they feel
a law is unjust, regardless of the facts of the case and regardless of
the judge's instructions. We only need to reach one person in twelve
with this message to block enforcement of this latest attack on the
Bill of Rights. Defense attorneys are generally forbidden to provide
this information to the jury.
Pass it on. Please feel free to copy this message or re-write it in
your own words and distribute to your own newsgroups.
"If the jury feels the law is unjust, we recognize the undisputed
power of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the
law as given by a judge, and contrary to the evidence ... and the
courts must abide by that decision."
--US v Moylan, 4th Circuit Court of
Appeals
417 F.2d at 1006 (1969)
"The jury has unreviewable and irreversible power to acquit
in disregard of the instruction given by the trial judge."
--US v Dougherty, 1972
-----------------------------End included
text-----------------------------------
Peace and Freedom to all
-Noah
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Disclaimer: The above opinions are nobody's, and certainly not those
of BNR, Nortel, Robert Stave, or Steve Bell.
klaatu
: "Babylon (Ray)" <bab...@thelair.zynet.com> wrote:
: >>>> First of all, I believe that Clinton and many in his crowd are
: >>>> pushing this, and I would have a hard time seeing him as a right-winger.
: >>>> Second of all, though I know little of this device, my understanding is
: >>>> that it can be disabled by the adults. Thus no governmental censorship is
: >>>> involved as it all happens or doesn't happen based on whether or not the
: >>>> parents choose to engage the thing. This isn't censorship, it's giving
: >>>> the parents the ability to make their choices stick even if they aren't
: >>>> there.
: >>>> Jim in Boulder
If this could be guaranteed, that would be pretty nice. So, write your
congressman, and require that the V-chip be designed so that the TV will
work without it. If you don't have any kids, you don't ned it, and I for
one do not want a television that chooses which channels I may watch.
That path is fraught with peril. Since I have been well trained in how to
properly use paranoia, I have to say that my threat-estimation on this
subject is this: If your TV won't work without a cutout device which can
be remotely controlled, there will come a time when someone will decide
that you can't watch certain programming, but your neighbors can. Such a
two-tiered-information-access society is inherently divided.
: >>>>
: >>>>
: >>>I agree. And from a parental control standpoint I think the V-Chip makes
: >>>a lot of sense. One problem tho: These same adults can't seem to get
: >>>the "12:00" to stop flashing on thier VCR's. These same kids can
: >>>outsmart the "child protector" caps on pill bottles in no time.
: >>>Do you see the same problem here that I do?
: >>>Babylon (Ray)
: They'll probably create the V-chip tech as a password protected kind
: of thing-A big "V" button on the remote, press it, then enter a
: 4-digit code. No harder than using an ATM, and I'm sure most
: Americans can do that.
And if there were, say, an uprising of, say, a coalition of Muslim and
Asian university students, all they'd have to do is sit outside your big
picture window and use a universal remote to program a lockout to any TV
channel that carried the news of the uprising. and since you don't know
the code, you'll never know what's about to come rolling through your life.
Dumbfucks.
Give someone the power to control information to your disadvntage and
their advantage, and eventually that power will be used, to your
disadvantage.
I like this scam... "Give us control over your information sources, uh,
excuse me I mean PROTECT THE CHILDREN (god I hope the mike was off for
the first part)".
: I don't really find this V-chip thing to be a
: big deal...I do wish they wouldn't put them in every TV, especially
: since they'll probably jack up the prices cause of it..
And the price you pay might be far higher than you think.
:
: jsisk
: djwa...@cris.com
:
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Lex Jacobs
On Mon, 19 Feb 1996, Sulla wrote:
> > >>>I agree. And from a parental control standpoint I think the V-Chip makes
> > >>>a lot of sense.
>
> Of course, the V-chip will be able to program out commercials, won't it?
>
YES, YES, YES...if a V-chip is coming with every set, it seems that the
"C-Chip" is only fair; put the same offensive rating scales in the
vertical blanking interval, so that commercials may be screened.
"Everyone" would want one, and everyone would learn how to program the
pup...however, we ALL know that the broadcasters could not in clear
conscience, totally screw their advertisers by tagging the 30 second
tripe sessions, so that we could surf the weather channel, CNBC, CNN, MTV
or whatever, until the "commercials are over" message called us back.
Actually, here's an idea for anyone that wants to play. Most commercials
come in louder and brighter than the corresponding show...in addition,
most broadcasters have their slots, local and national, precisely timed
and scheduled...after all, 'dead air' would make them look like an
idiot,and send the masses scurrying for the "machine" (IR remote).
Could a relatively simple neural circuit "learn" to trap out commercials,
and plug our stereo in instead for the duration? After all, commercials
are televisions true contribution to obscenity... - LJ
terence...@ukonline.co.uk
much to do with beer (nor to do with caving in alt.caving.) Can't they get
themselves an alt.vchip or something and stay out of our beer, they're ruining
the flavour.
Best beers: Murphy's Irish Stout
Stella Artois
La Chouffe (Belgian at 8% ABV)
Ansty Ale (Dorset, England. About 14% ABV, served
only in half pints.
Not in order!
Noah Dowd
KevinScully
>make a chip for me to block out commercials, political campaings, and
>all those stupid Religious shows ...
>
Why is it that people that claim to be fighting against censorship are
some of the least tolerant of other people's ideas. No one need worry
about sex and violence being eradicated from TV. As a conservative
republican I also oppose mandatory V chips. I envision in the near
future, full feature R and X rated movies being broadcast on network TV.
After all, if access is restricted why not. It will be the only way for
the networks to compete with cable. But one key problem, how will parents
that can't or don't set the clock on their VCRs manage the V chip.
Shel
Yep, I reckon this is a troll...I believe it is.....no, I fuginwell
hope it is. But somehow, I don't really convince myself, so, what the
heck, I'm wide-awake, so let's go.....
>Victokai <vict...@eden.com> wrote:
>>On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Elizabeth Windsor wrote:
>>
>>> A good Christian wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> > Expand the V-Chip to allow blocking ANY objectionable materials.
get rid of them. Even the religious right must agree with
this.....simply ask, what would christ think of them?
>>>
>>> I thank my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, that the television
>>> industry has finally come up with a way so that we may purge the filthy
>>> disgusting programming that many television stations broadcast.
Well, I purged my viewing by simply disposing, in a very
deity-approved way of course, my house of all tv's. Quite easy really.
And before that, I had a set with an unique "purging" device, well two
actually. One was a mysterious little switch that changed channels,
and the other made the screen go blank. They were very effective.
>>> Even PBS claims that they broadcast "quality programming." All
>>> I've seen lately are programs that encourage abortions, godlessness and
>>> other immoral behavior.
Hmmm, so you watched them eh? Surely, if they were so objectionable,
you happened on them by accident. Poor baby. And of course you just
had to watch them, for educative purposes of course. Idiot, lash out
and buy a channel selector, marry that to either a remote-control or
manual dexterity, and hey presto .. .. .. no problem.
>>> Whatever happened to programs that teach the moral laws that God
>>> sent to us and Jesus died for?
Yeah, fuck all the muslims, hindus, jews etc etc etc. It doesn't
matter that they might find some of the above objectionable does it?
No way Jose. Still, I suppose if they don't like it, they can use the
channel selector or on/off switch...............
>>> Why is our government, the government
>>> founded on the principal, "In God We Trust," helping to fund programming
>>> that is sent by way of PBS, and used for "educating" people on ways to
>>> murder their innocent unborn? Why?
Which god? Doesn't really say, does it? Oh, of course, as long as it
is the deity YOU believe in, that's okay.
>>> Have any of you ever wondered why PBS fails to help protect life,
>>> yet broadcasts information that helps people murder their unborn?
Nuh. I mean, they are just a fugin tv station for a deity's sake. Blow
up your tv if it gives you so much angst. Then you might have a bit
more time to plan some really good book-burnings.
>>>They
>>> claim that they're educational, and imply that they're "moral" and only
>>> broadcast "quality programming." Why do they refuse to broadcast sensible
>>> programming such as Pat Robinson or the 700 Club? Who really runs that
>>> network?
>>>
>>> We need that chip installed in every television, in every home
>>> across the country.
Nah, we can do better than that.....we can install it in every HEAD in
the country. Just think of it, total censorship of every nasty little
bit of those things that worry you so much. Thing is, this goes
against some of the better informed opinions re: each individual being
responsible for their actions on earth, to be judged later by a rather
more important being than you, you presumptious zealot. Judgement day
carried out by a mortal human, trying to get in before their own deity
has a chance to do what they believe he/she/it is supposed to do at
some later time.
>>> We need to let the people that run filthy godless,
>>> un-Christian networks, like PBS, that we won't take it any longer!
Shit, are there any Islamic broadcasters out there? Watch out, you're
in deep trouble because of your "un-christian" type of network. I
hope, in the interest of christian charity, you include
money-soliciting "christians" in your sights. They too are very
un-christian.
>>> I consider the "V-chip" a Victory for Christ chip.
I'm sure christ wouldn't though. He reportedly prefered to try to
convince people, not force them like you do. You are more un-christian
than the devils you see fit to find in a tv network of all places.
Fifty push-ups, in a hair-shirt, and a little flagellation is what you
probably need before looking up the instruction manual's reference to
channel selection and on/off switching.
I consider tv to be such a crashing bore that it is not part of my
life...perhaps you should get a life, concentrate on your own, and
stop trying to gain Brownie-points by trying to enact your own little
version of judgement day's judgements on your fellow beings.
>>> Betty
>>>
>>>
>>I sure hope that this is a troll.
If it is, at least I've got in some typing practice, so no worries.
Victokai, the man with no .sig
>>
>It would be a sad case indeed if it isn't a troll, either way I've done enough
>ranting for the day against close-minded bigots for one day....
If christ ever returns, I sure hope he comments on those idiots who so
often speak such crap in his name. Actually, I hope he gets into a bit
of smiting and whatever else was in fashion in his times, and socks it
to 'em, in front of the whole lot of us.
>Leanore
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>brood hen you can slip duck eggs under, not a purse, holding the coins
>of your descendants till you spend them in wars." (Marge Piercy)
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G.Larson
>Bob Fredricks <er...@pcsd.com> wrote:
>> This whole V-chip thing is more right-wing censorship. This was't taken
>> seriously until we stupidly gave the Republicans control of Congress by
>> not voting in the 1994 election. It just shows you how unimportant those
>> off-year elections are. The V-chip is totally unnecessary when there is a
>> perfectly good on-off switch on the TV set. These radicals in Congress
>> will do anything to undermine freedom. Isn't it interesting how they want
>> government out of some businesses and deeply into others.
>You know, I haven't noticed anyone make the following observations, so
>I will...
>(1) Anyone notice that in order to limit children's access to material
> which may be objectionable to children, Congress approved a
> technological solution (the V-chip) for Television?
> Yet Congress seems to think a technological solution doesn't
> exist for the Internet to serve the same purpose?
>(2) If a V-chip allows people to screen out material which is objectionable
> for children through a technological solution, what is to stop
> television producers to produce even _more_ hardcore stuff for
> TV? That is, now that there is a method for (theoretically) screening
> television violence and sex from children, what is to keep producers
> from getting even _more_ hardcore?
> It's the same theory as for movies: for a while there in the late
> 80's, often producers would _add_ sex scenes in order to _increase_
> their ratings from a PG to an R, because they knew that they needed
> an R rating to be taken seriously (and be successful) for the type
> of movie they were producing. (Example: Time Cop--there's one very
> graphic sex scene which serves no purpose other than getting the
> movie rated R; without it, the movie would have clocked in only as
> a PG. And for the type of movie (action-adventure), you _need_ an
> R to be taken seriously...)
>Just a couple of observations...
> - Bill
Those are two excellent points.
There was absolutely no effort to come up with a software solution to the
'filthy Internet' problem, even though a system similar to the V-chip could have
been fairly easily implemented.
What may happen to television is that certain channels will offer only 'decent'
programming, while others will offer mainly violent, sex-filled programming.
Then you will be in the same place where we are now, where you basically
disable/enable programming on a per-channel basis. Maybe this is all driven by
people without a cable switchbox or by people who don't watch TV in the first
place.
Susan C. Mitchell
: wo...@alumni.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody) writes:
: >Bob Fredricks <er...@pcsd.com> wrote:
: >> This whole V-chip thing is more right-wing censorship. This was't taken
: >> seriously until we stupidly gave the Republicans control of Congress by
: >> not voting in the 1994 election. It just shows you how unimportant those
: >> off-year elections are. The V-chip is totally unnecessary when there is a
: >> perfectly good on-off switch on the TV set. These radicals in Congress
: >> will do anything to undermine freedom. Isn't it interesting how they want
: >> government out of some businesses and deeply into others.
: First of all, I believe that Clinton and many in his crowd are
: Jim in Boulder
: pushing this, and I would have a hard time seeing him as a right-winger.
: Second of all, though I know little of this device, my understanding is
: that it can be disabled by the adults. Thus no governmental censorship is
: involved as it all happens or doesn't happen based on whether or not the
: parents choose to engage the thing. This isn't censorship, it's giving
: the parents the ability to make their choices stick even if they aren't
: there.
I'm disturbed to realize that the V-chip technology is likely to have the
same chilling effect on television that the movie ratings system has had
on filmmaking in the US. Remember when the ratings were instituted, back
in the late 1960s? They were *intended* to be, and for a very brief
period actually *were*, purely descriptive -- answering the question,
"Does this movie have language, sexual content, or violence that I as a
parent might not want my children to see?" A serious movie could get
*any* rating from G (_2001: A Space Odyssey_, _The Andromeda Strain_) to
X (_Midnight Cowboy_).
Then studios started tailoring movies *deliberately* to get certain
ratings. Within a few years no studio, except for Disney, was willing to
release a movie with a G rating. The X rating had to be replaced by a
new one, NC-17, because X had come to symbolize "pornography."
And now I suspect that studios are often specifically aiming for a
PG-13 rating when they release films: the rating that will provide the
*greatest* "thrills" of sex and violence to the *widest* audience. Take
out violence or sexual content, and you might get a milder rating,
leading viewers to think the film is "for kids" (if _Andromeda Strain_
were made today, they'd have to add a load of personal violence and
sexual tension); add too much, and you risk getting an R rating and
losing the under-17 audience. Films are often re-edited to get or aviod
a certain rating.
The ratings system, which was intended to be only descriptive, has
become a shaping influence on the film industry. I do not doubt that the
V-chip will similarly influence television.
Think globally, act locally.
Susan
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Chris Lanteigne
>under the guise of child protection, and they are the ones who will have
>to live with the decision. Women over the age of 55' watch television
>more than any other group- where's the crime wave of acts by 55+ women
>turned into savages by sex and violence on TV? Over 50% of internet users
>are in the top 25% wage category(IBD), again where is the crime wave? The
>fact is that the evidence for sex and violence in the media causing crime
>and social problems is non-existant, while evidence that other things like
>poverty, lack of education, and unemployment cause crime and social problems
>is very strong. We aren't going to solve our problems by chucking our
>civil liberties out the window.
cause"... That is proven through-out history. The church (the most
evil instituation of all time) called for the crusades against the
very peaceful (though powerful) muslims, they later supported the
spanish inquisition where almost all the Jewish and Muslim people were
driven out of Spain. Church hatred towards the Jewish people spurred
Hitler and his concentration camps... The true power in America lies
with a limited few and that few does not include the president. Tell
my why there is another level of security that the president does not
have, when he is supposed to be the one in charge???
~Chris
James Nichols
writes:
>
>>> This whole V-chip thing is more right-wing censorship. This
was't taken
>>> seriously until we stupidly gave the Republicans control of
Congress by
>>> not voting in the 1994 election. It just shows you how unimportant
those
>>> off-year elections are. The V-chip is totally unnecessary when
there is a
>>> perfectly good on-off switch on the TV set. These radicals in
Congress
>>> will do anything to undermine freedom. Isn't it interesting how
they want
>>> government out of some businesses and deeply into others.
>
>
basically use the T.V. as a babysitter for there kids have no reason to
complain. This way, they have no reason to whine about how voilent or
sex filled the television is. Also these parents can pump as much of
the 700club into there kids heads as possible so we can have more Pat
Robertsons and dare I say Pat Buchanons of the world as well. Scarry
thought huh? Can you imagine if Buchanon really becomes president it
will be a country not of freedom of religion, but one of freedom of
inquisition. If we remember in our history books correctly, there was
such a thing as the Spanish Inquisition, this will be the Christian
Coalition Inquisition. Nice thought huh. Here's even a scarrier
senario, ( President Pat Buchanon and Vice President Ralph Reed you
know the head of the Christian Coalition) That is truely a pathetic and
scarry thought. Women who are reading this remember Mr. Buchanon said
that, Women are not endowed with the knowlege to be successful in
business. The weird part about is women are voting for this man. I
don't understand it.
>
Stephanie
>
Stephanie
Ferry
>Just my .02, but does anyone have an idea of what THEY will rate the
>evening news. This has got to contain just about the most violence of
>any show. Murder, rape, robbery, hostages, drugs, gangs, shootouts,
>take downs, arson, bombings, death, destruction, riots, etc. Or how
>about rating commercials? I would immediately zap all the ones for
>douches, yeast infections, hemorrhoids, jock itch, etc. Definitely not
>material for children.
>It's funny, I look around at the people I grew up with and others in
>my age group, and don't find many people who have been screwed up
>because of TV. Maybe that's because the TV was never used as an
>electronic baby sitter on us. We would always be chased outside to
>play. 50 below, 100mph winds, with 25 ft of snow, mom would say "It's
>nice outside, go play." This is as opposed to today where many kids
>come home to an empty house and get in an hour or two of TV before
>even seeing a parent. Our house had ONE TV. Walk into most houses
>today and you'll find at least two if not three or four. They're in
>the living room, kitchen, all the bed rooms, even the bathroom! What's
>considered family time today? All of the family gathered around the
>TV!
>I'm NOT saying violence on TV doesn't exist, and I'm NOT saying that
>it might not cause some problems with some of our children. What I am
>saying is that we may not be fully attacking the full problem. Sort of
>like setting the dog on fire to get rid of its fleas.
>Well I've run out of steam and I'm overdrawn on my .02, flame away.
>I've got my asbestos suit ready just in case.
>Tom
Not nescessary on my acount Tom, I totally agree with your post. It's
absolutely rediculous the way TV sneaked into our lives and took
charge. I would say, that about 90% of the population in the
"civilised" world is a total TV-addict and that's a damn shame!
People don't talk anymore and when somebody does try to make some
pleasant conversation in a public place, people think they want to
either sell something or they must be crazy or up to no good!
I'm from Holland and I thank our lucky stars, that we don't have or
plan such censorship devices (yet!), although our government is also
getting pretty nuts in trying to rule every aspect of our lives.
The way things are going in the U.S. seems pretty scary from overhere.
How about your bill of rights, the land of the free and all those
great, but now pretty empty slogans? Amerika is slowly but surely
turning into something George Orwell predicted in his novel "1984".
Big Brother is watching all the time and it is getting worse.
These religous extremists from that dangerous "Christian Coalition"
will have everybody, that doesn't want to live according to their
values and believes, "eliminated", as soon as they're in power. And
they will get that power sooner or later if nobody stops them in their
tracks. They allready control the Republican Party and they will soon
control the rest of your country, you'll see.
This scares the shit out of me and a lot more people here in Europe.
We allready feel a lot of pressure from the U.S. when it comes to
drugs and sex. Frankly I'm amazed by the arrogance of it all, how the
U.S. feels it has the right to demand and/or to enforce their puritan
views onto the rest of the world. It seems totally natural to
Americans it seems, that American laws also apply to the rest of the
world.
I allways laughed when I heard the blown up rethoric from the
communists, about "American Imperialism", but the facts prove that
they had a valid argument there. That you guys have the biggest
fighting machine in the world certainly doesn't give you the moral
right to behave in this manner I would say.
The problem is of course that this kind of behavior can only be
changed from the inside and we are pretty much powerless to do
something from overhere. I hope the american people will come to
their senses soon and elect a couple of "good guys" this year. I doubt
it though, political interest was never one of America's strong points
(about a 50% turn out on election days, I believe?)
Okay......., the-the-that's all folks, don't let us down comes
november!
Ferry
Paul Nadj
G.Larson <lars...@maroon.tc.umn.edu> wrote:
>wo...@alumni.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody) wrote:
>
>>Bob Fredricks <er...@pcsd.com> wrote:
>>You know, I haven't noticed anyone make the following observations, so
>>I will...
>
>>(1) Anyone notice that in order to limit children's access to material
>> which may be objectionable to children, Congress approved a
>> technological solution (the V-chip) for Television?
>
>> Yet Congress seems to think a technological solution doesn't
>> exist for the Internet to serve the same purpose?
>
>
>Those are two excellent points.
>
>There was absolutely no effort to come up with a software solution to the
>'filthy Internet' problem, even though a system similar to the V-chip could have
>been fairly easily implemented.
And how do you figure that? Anyone can set up a web page/site. Not everyone
can set up a TV station. TV networks can be forced (legislated) to rate
shows before they are aired. How are you going to rate the 1 billion Web
pages on the net? How are you going to ensure that when a web page is
edited it is then re-rated so that current rating is the accurate rating?
Are you suggesting the service providers do this? If I run an information-
based page which is updated daily, my SP is going to re-rate it daily? Not!
There's a huge scalability problem here, folks.
There are far more technical difficulties with regulating the internet than
with regulating TV.
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>What I am really against is censorship imposed on me by the do-
>gooders who think they know better than I do what I should see
>or hear or read.
>When we lose our first amendment rights we might just as well invite
>big brother into our homes.
He won't wait for your invitation! Stop this shit now, vote
libertarian in november, that seems to be your only alternative!
Ferry
BOBM5
Bob M
Thomas Fritz
>
>I am decidedly NON Right Winger too. I don't think the V-chip goes
>far enough. Of course there's the on/off swich or the channel
>changer; but what happens when you fall asleep Saturday night (drunk)
>with the TV on, to be rudely awakened when programming resumes Sunday
>morning with some Bible thumper preaching fire, brimstone, hell, and
>damnation at 5:30 AM? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN VERN?
>
>I want to be able to block *ALL* offensive programming; especially
>preachers and paid programs (those awful 30 minute commercials).
>John Murray
>j...@io.com
I agree, if they rate shows / movies... then commercials should have a
special rating... like "F". Trash that crap!
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Stephanie
trying to scrape together what little credit we have left to
buy a news TV before this V-chip is put in all of them. We're
horrified by the idea that the government, specifically a
person other than ourselves, can regulate what is available for
our viewing pleasure. The scariest thing about this V-chip, is
that over half the people I've talked to have never heard of
it. Of those that have, less than half know what it is and
does. Unfortunately, too many Americans are underinformed when
it comes to these issues. The real issues get lost in
propaganda from both sides and we get so caught up in trying to
decide moral issues for eachother (and imposing our decisions
on other people) that we neglect the rights our founding
fathers fought for. We are slowly loosing our rights without
realizing it. On the internet, specifically, Americans tend to
forget that it isn't solely an American thing. People from all
nations with differening viewpoints congragate here and
Americans have no more right to be trying to regulate the
internet than we do trying to regulate the rest of the world.
We claim (or try to anyway) to be the leaders in this world,
but just because we ignorantly volunteer away many of our
rights does not give us the power to volunteer away the rights
of other people. Right now, I hope no other country follows
America's lead in cersoring ourselves and I hope (although I
fear otherwise) that in the next election people will see the
real issues of freedom that need to be addressed and not just
elect someone to impose their own moral issues on us.
And just before anyone decides to flame me-- I've had little
opportunity to debate my view points but felt the need to
express them; if you want to flame me, feel free and I'll feel
free to ignore you; if you have a logical arguement for or
against my view point, I'd love to here it, though.
Stephanie
sp...@datasync.com
>
>Not nescessary on my acount Tom, I totally agree with your post. It's
>absolutely rediculous the way TV sneaked into our lives and took
>charge. I would say, that about 90% of the population in the
>"civilised" world is a total TV-addict and that's a damn shame!
>
absorbed in the fantasy world of TV that they don't have time to
bother anyone in the real world. I agree, it is a damn shame.
>
>People don't talk anymore and when somebody does try to make some
>pleasant conversation in a public place, people think they want to
>either sell something or they must be crazy or up to no good!
>
thinking, that they will either try to impose theirs on you or find
some way to have you censored. Some people just can't stand the idea
of others being different.
>
>I'm from Holland and I thank our lucky stars, that we don't have or
>plan such censorship devices (yet!), although our government is also
>getting pretty nuts in trying to rule every aspect of our lives.
>
paranoid, or both? And the bigger the government the more noticeable
it is, especially to the rest of the world.
>
>The way things are going in the U.S. seems pretty scary from overhere.
>How about your bill of rights, the land of the free and all those
>great, but now pretty empty slogans? Amerika is slowly but surely
>turning into something George Orwell predicted in his novel "1984".
>Big Brother is watching all the time and it is getting worse.
>
paraphrase a quote, "All men are created equal, but some are more
equal than others." I know that it wasn't originally a parallel of
the US, but looking around today ........
>
>These religous extremists from that dangerous "Christian Coalition"
>will have everybody, that doesn't want to live according to their
>values and believes, "eliminated", as soon as they're in power. And
>they will get that power sooner or later if nobody stops them in their
>tracks. They allready control the Republican Party and they will soon
>control the rest of your country, you'll see.
>
religion. I also believe in freedom FROM religion. I have my own
beliefs and am willing to let you (generic) have yours. The problem
starts when you start FORCING your beliefs on others. Or to the more
extreme, killing the non-believers (of your god) and anyone else who
doesn't think the same way as you. Wars have been started because of
this intolerance. Even those who DO believe in the same god, but have
different interpretations, can't get along. (Sorry, you pushed my
religious button <g>)
>
>This scares the shit out of me and a lot more people here in Europe.
>We allready feel a lot of pressure from the U.S. when it comes to
>drugs and sex. Frankly I'm amazed by the arrogance of it all, how the
>U.S. feels it has the right to demand and/or to enforce their puritan
>views onto the rest of the world. It seems totally natural to
>Americans it seems, that American laws also apply to the rest of the
>world.
>
primary language usually get flamed (and usually by an american) for
speaking their own language. Even worse is when they TRY to use
english, some idiot flames them for bad spelling and grammar. Which
reminds me of a joke I heard.
Q: What do you call someone who speaks 3 languages?
A: Trilingual.
Q: What do you call someone who speaks 2 languages?
A: Bilingual.
Q: What do you call someone who speaks only 1 language?
A: American.
>
>I allways laughed when I heard the blown up rethoric from the
>communists, about "American Imperialism", but the facts prove that
>they had a valid argument there. That you guys have the biggest
>fighting machine in the world certainly doesn't give you the moral
>right to behave in this manner I would say.
>
And we got the blown up rhetoric about communism. You can take almost
any type of government and have it be a good thing for the common
people. It's when the leaders decide to use their power to oppress and
suppress the people, that the government becomes bad. I believe that
had communism gone down a different path, it may have not been a bad
thing. As for the rest of your statement, take an sufficiently
paranoid government, give them lots of neat "toys" to play with, give
them the power to use those "toys" and see what happens. They will
either use them or threaten to use them if they don't get their way.
Sounds almost like the behavior of a child, doesn't it?
>
>The problem is of course that this kind of behavior can only be
>changed from the inside and we are pretty much powerless to do
>something from overhere. I hope the american people will come to
>their senses soon and elect a couple of "good guys" this year. I doubt
>it though, political interest was never one of America's strong points
>(about a 50% turn out on election days, I believe?)
>
Yea, voter apathy is getting quite high. Then again look what happened
2 years ago in our off year elections. Many people were unhappy with
the way things were being done. We all decided to 'Vote The Bums OUT'.
What did we get? More BUMS! More and more over here you find yourself
voting for a person, not because you like him, but that you like the
other choice even less. So you either vote the 'lesser of two evils'
or you simply don't vote. Hence the voter apathy that you see.
>
>Okay......., the-the-that's all folks, don't let us down comes
>november!
>
Sorry, but the CC and the CDA have ruled that Porky Pig is to be
banned. So you can no longer quote him. There was too much violence in
those cartoons, and he was indecent because he always went around half
dressed. <g>
>
>Ferry
>
PS: If you want to continue this, I'd suggest that we take it to
e-mail. I doubt that most of the groups that this is going to really
care about our conversation.
sp...@datasync.com
One thing Big Brother either can't or won't understand, it that the
net (usenet, WWW, IRC, FTP, gopher, etc) is not the domain of one
country. It is WORLD WIDE. Many different countries means many
different ideas of what is right/wrong, legal/illegal, immoral,
unethical, etc. Or does BB intend to try to impose its annaly
retentive point of view on the rest of the world? I believe that
software and parental involvement is the only way to go. Anything else
is a waste of time and taxpayer money (like THEY really care about
that <g>).
Tom
Mike Harper
Perry Baker
Then don't activate it and you won't have a problem.
William Edward Woody
> G.Larson <lars...@maroon.tc.umn.edu> wrote:
> >There was absolutely no effort to come up with a software solution to the
> >'filthy Internet' problem, even though a system similar to the V-chip
> >could have been fairly easily implemented.
>
> And how do you figure that? Anyone can set up a web page/site. Not everyone
> can set up a TV station. TV networks can be forced (legislated) to rate
> shows before they are aired. How are you going to rate the 1 billion Web
> pages on the net? How are you going to ensure that when a web page is
> edited it is then re-rated so that current rating is the accurate rating?
> Are you suggesting the service providers do this? If I run an information-
> based page which is updated daily, my SP is going to re-rate it daily? Not!
> There's a huge scalability problem here, folks.
>
> There are far more technical difficulties with regulating the internet than
> with regulating TV.
The difficulties are cultural, not technical.
Give me an HTML command which establishes the rating of my web pages,
and I'll stick it in. No problem.
Why, heck; you could even rig the HTML daemon (the thingy on the host
computer which actually sends people's web pages out) so that it won't
send web pages that have not been rated. [Not that I'm saying this should
be done; just saying that technically, this is easy to do.]
Of course there are those who would complain "censorship," and those who
would rate their page 'G' and provide 'X' content, but hey; that's not
my problem.
Personally, while I have very strong objections about censorship, I don't
mind self-censoring myself to the kiddies in our viewing audience. In fact,
I'd love it if I had a switch that would allow me to let down my hair,
so to speak, and know that the things I write and the pictures I send won't
be seen by someone who is (say) 13...
- Bill
Violens Schultz
The problem is that when you buy a new TV, YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR IT! I'd
much rather spend that money, no matter how small the cost might be, on
something more important such as food and education. Let's try this
hypothetical situation: each new TV with the V-chip only costs one dollar
more. But there's probably around 500,000 TVs (possibly more) made and sold
every year. Think of something truly useful you can do with the $500,000 that
will be wasted because some whining ass feeble-minded weaklings couldn't bear
the thought that there are people who don't think like they do (and couldn't
simply change the channel or turn the fucking TV off!). Let's further suppose
our wasteful federal gov't pays for these chips. Well, shit, that's still
moeny we're going to have to spend, money we'll have to waste.
And if the Communications (in)Decency Act isn't overturned, we're going to have
a duplication of the problems of the movie industry vs. the MPAA. There are
people who still bitch about some movie(s) being offensive when they could have
easily stayed the fuck out of the theater! Now I can see people who will be
offended by some show that will "push the envelope" (an "envelope" we shouldn't
have) and it will turn out this prude didn't set the V-chip correctly, or at
all (and this could be someone who thought the V-chip was a good idea!)
I work for my money. I don't like wasting my wages. How do you I'll feel with
something like the V-chip around? Nothing but a wast of time, money, and
resources. A technological abuse if I ever saw one.
--
hc...@calstatela.edu Censorship and religion: tools of the weak and
_______________________________________________________________\ feeble-minded.
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Better to be hated for what you are than to be liked for what / you're not.
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> In <4goqbe$u...@maze.dpo.uab.edu> Mike Harper
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Date: 15 Feb 1996 05:23:09 GMT
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What in the hell is going on with all of this politically correct
bull shit when it comes to racism. Every white person has the right to
be racist and detest what is happening to the western world which was
created by the white race. We have the right to stick up for white
rights.... the world has too many uncivilized colored savages that
threaten all that the white race has achieved. They over breed...far
beyond the capacity of their homeland to offer a reasonable quality of
life...so they infest other areas of the world that the white race has
made prosperous. First they come in form of cheap labor, but once they
get their foot in the door........
Germany, the most racist country in history is now infested with the
“dark plague” from Turkey. It is happening to every Western country.
Look at Canada, it used to be “British”......now its infested with
Asians and East Indians. Vancouver is incredible.....if you were
dropped there blindfolded you would swear you were in Hong Kong.
Britain is the Middle East of Northern Europe, and France an extension
of North Africa. The U.S. is fast becoming the swamp juice of the
world....what a foul taste!
I'm sure glad over 50,000,000 savage Native Indians died in North
America and Mexico a few hundred years ago because of disease brought in
with the white man. Very few were actually killed by white people.
Imagine all of those savages still infesting the United States. It
seemed as though the problem was solved for us, that is until the
Negroes were brought in. They should all have been sent back to
Africa.......as a rare, few, wise politicians suggested. But the white
race is inherently self destructive because of the bleeding white
liberals that exist within our race, like some kind of virus. Look at
the problems in southern California....it used to such a nice
place.....now a putrid Taco Town, infested with greasy sulsa slurping
sister fucking spics. These bleeding heart arm chair sick white
liberals should move to East L.A. Just see how their twisted views of
reality will change, in fact it would most likely drive them to seek KKK
memberships.
During the past 15 years America has been flooded with hordes of
these savages........and its only a small drop in the huge endless ocean
of them that exist all over the world. In 500 years from now there will
be no such thing as the white race. We will be diluted out of
existence....become some kind of light colored Spick Chink Nigger thing
with black hair and slitty eyes. We have the right to survive!
This political crap about speaking out......How many times have you
or your friends make private racist remarks, or felt that strange
feeling when in the company of Negroes, East Indians, Asians, etc. How
many white people call Negroes “Niggers”? It is only natural. Even
George Shultz of the Regan Administration was accidentally recorded as
he referred to the Arabs as “Sand Niggers”. Negroes are the lowest form
of human life, they simply can not adjust to modern society. Over 50%
of all American Negroes have been through the penal system. Even O.J.
conducts typical niggardly acts. What a joke! They should all stay in
their areas of the world. Of course, the white race being technically,
socially, and genetically superior have the right to occupy any part of
the world chosen.
If it wasn’t for the white race all dark people would still be living
in mud huts and Asians in paper/bamboo houses to this day. They have
only advanced because of the charity from the white race or stealing
technology created by the white race. The Asians, apart from a few
simple inventions, were nothing but savage peasants while Europe became
of the Industrial Age. The Negroes were like creatures at the beginning
of “2001 A Space Odyssey”, and North American Indians were still
cutting apart dead animals with stone knives as did their ancestors
30,000 years ago. At that rate it would have taken them 1,000,000
years to get to the freak’n moon. When the Vikings came to Canada for
the first time they described the Native Indians as “the retched ones” .
We all know what the Vikings were like. It would be like a gang of
bikers referring to others as “thugs”. Nice impressions these savage
vermin things left. The Vikings were not sure if they were some king of
evil demonic savage animal things. To make sure they hacked a few apart
with their swords to make sure they bled.
We conquered the savages and made something of the new areas, built
up modern civilized countries from the dust. Now the few remaining
native savages are taking advantage of sick white politicians and
traitorous back stabbing blood sucking scum lawyers by attempting to
reclaim every square inch of land that there ancestors might have bent
over and took a shit on.
There is a province in Canada called Newfoundland. Years ago the
government decided to exterminate the Native Indian savages and even
paid a bounty on every one of the creatures shot. The province is far
better off with regards to its native problem because of that wise
decision made so many years ago. On the other side, the government in
British Columbia was gutless and had no such policies. The province is
now having terrible problems with land claims...in fact the Native
Indian savages have claims on 110% of the land mass of British Columbia,
there are similar problems in New Zealand and Australia. South Africa
is ruined now, in fact most of those savage Negroes were imported from
the North as cheap labor....now they have taken over the damned country.
All of those nice Caribbean countries should belong to the U.S. and
populated by white people, not misfit run away slave savages.
Africa is the worst, most mismanaged continent on the face of this
Earth. They should all be left alone to live as they did for thousands
of years....without the white man’s medicine. This way their population
would be kept in a natural balance for what the land can provide.
Because of these sick white missionaries going in they have really
screwed up the place, at the expense of threatening the world’s greatest
reserve of wildlife. I say pullout and let nature take its toll.
There is nothing wrong with that as it had already been going on for
thousands of years.
It is time these sick politicians wake up and see what is happening.
These savages come here and make no attempt to assimilate to our way of
life. They do not populate new areas, but crowd our already
overpopulated cities. They bring their language, behavior, smelly
cooking, crime, and perverted religions with them. They infest our
neighborhoods, speak their chatter put up signs in their own barbed wire
printing and end up teaching in public schools in their twisted tongue.
They drug, manipulate, infiltrate, molest, pollute, poison, corrupt,
spoil, infect and crossbreed with previously pure white women. The end
will come when these savages are elected to office by their own people
and begin changing laws. This is already starting to happen. I
remember when the “Bogwan” took over that town in Oregon......what a sad
state of affairs for the United States! The government in British
Columbia already has a filthy thieving Wog as some kind of Minister, but
they keep moving him about each time he breaks the law. The last I
heard he helped the communist NDP party steal money belonging to some
charity. The various Negro politicians elected to in the U.S. are sort
of taking it easy right now, but as their numbers grow with other savage
races, the Spicks and Asians, they will all then stick it to Whitey.
The Asians are the worst for silently scheming and plotting against
the white American population. Remember Pearl Harbor? The Asians are
like termites, so many of these little insignificant bug like robot
creatures, yet they can destroy a house from within. We should have
never set foot in Japan after WWII. Just bomb the bastards and let them
deal with it. But oh no.....the sick white liberal do gooders had to go
in assist them in rebuilding with more modern facilities than most of
the U.S. had.............as a result the little yellow parasites
continued their war with the U.S. for 50 years, but fought it
economically. Things only began to change when the Soviet Union
collapsed and some U.S. politicians told the Japs to go fuck themselves
since the military basis over there were no longest as important.
Anyway, Northern Islands of Japan should have been confiscated from
Japan at the end of the war to serve as such basis, with no ass sucking
to the Japs. The other Asian countries have learned from their yellow
cousins and have taken up the Jap’s slack. Beware, the Asians provide
the greatest future threat to white America.
The Arab Moslem filth is already beginning to make it mark on US
soil. Beware, these are the most twisted, backward, savage, violent
creatures on the face of this Earth. They bomb, assassinate, torture,
kidnap and terrorize most of Europe already. These Sand Niggers have
mentalities on par with what was prevalent in the Middle ages, they are
totally backward in their thinking and have absolutely no control over
their insane bursts of hatred for one and another. Can’t wait for
electric cars.....then we can sit back and watch this nest of insane
Moslem fanatics wipe each other out in the Middle East. In fact, give
most of these third world savages the technology they will destroy each
other anyway. Maybe give each country a few nuclear war heads each and
watch the fireworks! It makes no difference to them....they all think
they will go meet “Allah”. What a useless religion, praying 5 times a
day....these savages are insane! Mohammed was a butt fucking fag
anyway.
When will the white race finally realize what is happening, pull their
thumbs out and do something about it?????????? We
must............otherwise we will all end up looking like some kind of
Slitty Eyed Bumble Bee dog boys things.........Spic Niggers that is!
Remember.......the fittest shall survive! Hail AIDS .........ARYAN
REVENGE
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In article <4gm2vm$9...@kannews.ca.newbridge.com>,
pn...@Newbridge.COM (Paul Nadj) wrote:
>And how do you figure that? Anyone can set up a web page/site. Not everyone
>can set up a TV station. TV networks can be forced (legislated) to rate
>shows before they are aired. How are you going to rate the 1 billion Web
>pages on the net? How are you going to ensure that when a web page is
>edited it is then re-rated so that current rating is the accurate rating?
>Are you suggesting the service providers do this? If I run an information-
>based page which is updated daily, my SP is going to re-rate it daily? Not!
>There's a huge scalability problem here, folks.
>
>There are far more technical difficulties with regulating the internet than
>with regulating TV.
Ah, so now I get it. The government can't regulate it, so just outlaw it,
right?
As inadequate as they may be, there are filtering tools available right
now. Some even provide updates for up to a year after registration. I
suspect that you can pay some more to get updates after that. IOW, someone
is ALREADY DOING THIS!
John
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>
>akl...@slip.net wrote:
>
>>On 15 Feb 1996 06:06:52 GMT, Bob Fredricks <er...@pcsd.com> wrote:
>
>>> This whole V-chip thing is more right-wing censorship.
>
>switch on the TV set.
>
>
>>The V-chip gives the PARENTS the ability to censor.
>
>>The on-off switch works just fine when mommy or daddy are in the room
>>but, when they aren't, the chip enforces THEIR censorship. It
>>reinforces *parental responsibility*.
>
>>It won't censor ME at all. I just won't program my set to stop any
>>programs. And my daughter, who is now an adult, watches whatever she
>>wants. But, when she was little, I would have had the chip set to
>>censor violent or sexually-oriented shows. Just in case.
>
>>--
>>Al
>
>I am decidedly NON Right Winger too. I don't think the V-chip goes
>far enough. Of course there's the on/off swich or the channel
>changer; but what happens when you fall asleep Saturday night (drunk)
>with the TV on, to be rudely awakened when programming resumes Sunday
>morning with some Bible thumper preaching fire, brimstone, hell, and
>damnation at 5:30 AM? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN VERN?
>
>I want to be able to block *ALL* offensive programming; especially
>preachers and paid programs (those awful 30 minute commercials).
>John Murray
>j...@io.com
>
"power" to "censor" will suppossedly be more controllable by the parent, then
the media will have a greater freadom to promulgate what they see fit. What
they see fit is what sells . What sells is sex. The general populace now
wants more. Since the parents are cencoring what thier children see(!!!) then
it will be o.k. to put on the more risque stuff. They are already pushing the
envelope. All you got to do is watch. Then as usual the group concioussness
will see that the children are some how getting around their parents cencor.
Of course the usual argument will follow. Namely that the gov. and hollywood
shouldn't raise children against the parents aren't doing their job. As usual
the argument will stagnate and the level of nudity increase and ave
age of cardinal Knowledge will decrease.
I don't know if that is good are bad. What I do strongly suspect is
though that the problems that sexuality generate in general are causeb by the
divided opinions of the earth's populace.
Knowledge is a mighty force and ignorance is a mighty force. Together
they are disaster.
EYE'm Nasty
Ray Finch
> Perry Baker wrote:
> >
> > In <4goqbe$u...@maze.dpo.uab.edu> Mike Harper
> > <zu0...@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu> writes:
>
> What in the hell is going on with all of this politically correct
> bull shit when it comes to racism. Every white person has the right to
> be racist and detest what is happening to the western world which was
<snip>
> Remember.......the fittest shall survive! Hail AIDS .........ARYAN
> REVENGE
>
You are one *sick* puppy!!! You have a right to express you opinoins,
but express them in an appropriate group - alt.bbs.doors is definately
*NOT* the right group for racism trash such as this.
BTW: Whites can get aids just as easily as anyone else...
Babylon (Ray)
Violens Schultz
Are the rest of us non-bigots supposed to feel sorry for lazy-ass bigots like
you? If caucasoids are supposed to be so fucking superior, why did the nazis
lose? Why is it that when I hear about a serial killer or somebody filing a
ridiculous lawsuit, it's ALWAYS some caucasoid?
You claim you caucasoids have the right to be wherever they wish because of
this so called superiority. Has it ever occurred to you maybe YOU are the
inferior being? Those Southern state bigots had thought they were superior,
yet they were afraid of being contaminated so they had segregated facilities,
denied non-caucasoids jobs, or even a decent place to buy food. Sounds pretty
fucking inferior.
And to think people like Colin Powell and my father were ready to give their
lives so lying bigot assholes like you could speak badly of them because of
what they were born as.
Jeff B.
> Perry Baker wrote:
> >
> > In <4goqbe$u...@maze.dpo.uab.edu> Mike Harper
> > <zu0...@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu> writes:
> Path:
>
> What in the hell is going on with all of this politically correct
> bull shit when it comes to racism. Every white person has the right to
> be racist and detest what is happening to the western world which was
> created by the white race. We have the right to stick up for white
> rights....
>
>When will the white race finally realize what is happening, pull their
>thumbs out and do something about it?????????? We
>must............otherwise we will all end up looking like some kind of
>Slitty Eyed Bumble Bee dog boys things.........Spic Niggers that is!
>
>Remember.......the fittest shall survive! Hail AIDS .........ARYAN
>REVENGE
I'm white, and happy to be white, but I can't stand hate-filled shits like
you no matter what color you are. I've read bullshit like yours from more
morons than I care to think of. Your history is totally inaccurate
garbage probably read from a roll of specially printed 'Nazi-of-the-Month'
pin-up toilet paper...
Crawl back under your rock...
--
J. Bosch/FOIA & PA Researcher
Federal Information Research Services Team: FI...@snni.com
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M Simon
> What a joke! They should all stay in
>their areas of the world. Of course, the white race being technically,
>socially, and genetically superior have the right to occupy any part of
>the world chosen.
If you white guys are SOOO superior how come the Jews have been
running your asses for 2000 years? You are just a bunch of dumb
fucks when compared to the REAL Master Race. Haha. The Jews let
you occupy anything you want because they have a system superior
to occupation. Its called control. White guys take the heat.
Jews take the money.
> If it wasn’t for the white race all dark people would still be living
>in mud huts and Asians in paper/bamboo houses to this day. They have
>only advanced because of the charity from the white race or stealing
>technology created by the white race.
Except for superior Jewish technology. Which we would have used
against that coward Hitler if he had given us just a few more
months of resistance. Jews invented the A bomb. Because you
Aryans were too dumb. We got Roosevelt to finance it for us.
With the White peoples money.
The White people will never wake up because they are too dumb!
Simon
John Merrall
: future, full feature R and X rated movies being broadcast on network TV.
Great!!! Being a Canadian living near the US border, who is NOT being
forced by his government to use a V-chip, I just have to say that I
really look forward to the day when I can get some hardcore porn just by
watching TV!
--
=-=-=-=- http://www.freenet.hamilton.on.ca/~ac096/Profile.html =-=-=-=-=-=
God, grant me the serenity to accept those things I cannot change, courage
to change what I can, and the wisdom to hide the corpses of the people who
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I had to kill because they pissed me off -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Codifex Maximus
> EYE'm Nasty
A very realistic view. The V-Chip is censorship. I was talking to a
few people in my office, and they said that the chip wont work until
the broadcasters are required to and do attach a special signal to the
broadcast. The signal is picked up by the chip which uses the info to
filter out material based on the users preferences. The chip wont
block commercials though... pity. The point is, violence and sexual
explicit material does SELL and most things in the world are PROFIT
driven. Bottom line: It's not profitable to comply with the
requirements of the V-Chip. Will the V-Chip block violent cartoons?
I doubt it. Will the V-Chip block talk shows that discuss
controversial issues? What do you think?
Although I think that the V-Chip is a well intentioned idea, I don't
think that in practical application it will work.
Nuff said.
Codifex Maximus
cod...@airmail.net
Marty E.
fascist/inhuman statements. As cliche' as it might sound to you, the
only race which we should be concerned about is th HUMAN race...and its
people like you who retard the advancement of HUMANITY...
Mr. Hess
I think you miss the point. He was talking about race, Negroes, East
Indians, Asians, etc., not about religion, regardless if some jews fall
into those categories. Anyways, are you implying that most Jews are not
white? Religion in all forms is a mentall illness and the sooner it is
abolished the sooner the world will be a better place. Look at Israel,
fine bloody place to live. Just about every violent conflict going on
in this world is based upon religios hate. You guys are fucked!
Tre Hellman
(Paul Nadj) wrote:
> And how do you figure that? Anyone can set up a web page/site. Not everyone
> can set up a TV station. TV networks can be forced (legislated) to rate
> shows before they are aired. How are you going to rate the 1 billion Web
> pages on the net? How are you going to ensure that when a web page is
> edited it is then re-rated so that current rating is the accurate rating?
> Are you suggesting the service providers do this? If I run an information-
> based page which is updated daily, my SP is going to re-rate it daily? Not!
> There's a huge scalability problem here, folks.
>
> There are far more technical difficulties with regulating the internet than
> with regulating TV.
Really? More of a problem? When there already exists software that can
scan webpages for certain words and abort the download?
The Congress and the President established draconian measures to regulate
internet speech when anyone who took a fraction of the time one would
expect parents to take in regard to their children's welfare could find
easily implementable solutions to the perceived problem.
Scalability isn't the problem, software is the problem. In in a large
number of ways it's been solved. Of course, *parental involvement* is the
real problem but we can't legislate that can we? Much easier to trample on
everyone's rights than to encourage people to actually take part in
raising their children.
There is *NO* excuse for this legislation except ignorance and totalitarianism.
Tre.
Fenvala
<anti-everybody bullshit circumcised for your viewing pleasure...>
PEOPLE Wake Up! This imbecile is ONLY trying to get a rise out of all of
you; just look at all the irrelevant newsgroups he's posted to! Most of
the racists stay in their own newsgroups; they don't like being flamed for
their opinions any more than you do and in this society they catch plenty
of flack. We've had our share of them in the alt.asatru newgroup and
toasted their buns. It ONLY kept them coming back for more! (Killfile;
what a boon to humankind!) This person has a sick need for attention and
your hatred and revulsion of him only fuels his (her?) flames. DO NOT post
back to people like this! It's the only solution to end such idiocy. If a
spamster finds their flames being IGNORED, they will GO AWAY.
(((I find it all too interesting that out of all the multitude of
newsgroups this person, posted to, that s/he forgot alt.religion.asatru.
Glad really, because we've had about all the Spam(TM) we can take. There's
no more bread and the mustard ran out long ago, so it's all just sitting
in the corner in its unopened cans...which shall duly rot and return to
the Earth as compost. Best way to deal with shit IMO is to let it go where
it will be of the most use....)))
** "Congress shall make no law respecting an
** ** establishment of religion....or abridging
** ** the freedom of speech, or of the press"
** **
** THIS SIG IS WEARING A BLUE CYBER-RIBBON IN
** ** VEHEMENT PROTEST OF UNCONSTITUTIONAL
** ** 'NET CENSORSHIP BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT
**........**............................................................
- Maryam Povey <fen...@best.com>
...........................................................................
akl...@slip.net
>I'm NOT saying violence on TV doesn't exist, and I'm NOT saying that
>it might not cause some problems with some of our children. What I am
>saying is that we may not be fully attacking the full problem. Sort of
>like setting the dog on fire to get rid of its fleas.
Democratic method of flea removal - buy a more expensive flea powder.
Republican method - set the dog on fire. It DOES kill the fleas, so
what are you complaining about?
--
Al
Alan B. Combs
wrote to all of the following groups
alt.activism, alt.alien.visitors, alt.angst, alt.atheism, alt.bbs,
alt.bbs.ads, alt.bbs.doors, alt.beer, alt.books.reviews, alt.california,
alt.callahans, alt.caving, alt.censorship, alt.config, alt.conspiracy,
alt.cult-movies, alt.cyberpunk, alt.drugs, alt.fan.monty-python,
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.fashion, alt.feminism, alt.music.alternative,
alt.music.nin, alt.music.nirvana, alt.music.progressive, alt.pagan,
alt.peeves, alt.personals, alt.personals.bondage, alt.personals.spanking,
alt.personals.spanking.punishment, alt.politics.clinton, alt.rap,
alt.religion.kibology, alt.rock-n-roll.metal, alt.romance,
alt.romance.chat, alt.security.pgp, alt.sex, alt.sex.bondage,
alt.sex.fetish.fat, alt.sex.fetish.hair, alt.sex.wanted,
alt.sexual.abuse.recovery, alt.tasteless, soc.penpals:
Notice the name is erSPAMmg. No more said.
Robert Kaml
>
>Victokai <vict...@eden.com> wrote:
>>On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Elizabeth Windsor wrote:
>>
>>> A good Christian wrote:
>>>
>>> > How's this for a suggestion:
>>>
>>> > Expand the V-Chip to allow blocking ANY objectionable materials.
>>>
>>> I thank my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, that the television
>>> industry has finally come up with a way so that we may purge the filthy
>>> disgusting programming that many television stations broadcast.
>>>
>>> Even PBS claims that they broadcast "quality programming." All
>>> I've seen lately are programs that encourage abortions, godlessness and
>>> other immoral behavior.
>>>
>>> Whatever happened to programs that teach the moral laws that God
>>> sent to us and Jesus died for? Why is our government, the government
>>> founded on the principal, "In God We Trust," helping to fund programming
>>> that is sent by way of PBS, and used for "educating" people on ways to
>>> murder their innocent unborn? Why?
>>>
>>> Have any of you ever wondered why PBS fails to help protect life,
>>> yet broadcasts information that helps people murder their unborn? They
>>> claim that they're educational, and imply that they're "moral" and only
>>> broadcast "quality programming." Why do they refuse to broadcast sensible
>>> programming such as Pat Robinson or the 700 Club? Who really runs that
>>> network?
>>>
>>> We need that chip installed in every television, in every home
>>> across the country. We need to let the people that run filthy godless,
>>> un-Christian networks, like PBS, that we won't take it any longer!
>>>
>>> I consider the "V-chip" a Victory for Christ chip.
>>>
>>> Betty
>>>
>>>
>>I sure hope that this is a troll.
>> Victokai, the man with no .sig
>>
>It would be a sad case indeed if it isn't a troll, either way I've done enough
>ranting for the day against close-minded bigots for one day....
>
>Leanore
>
> |\ _,,,---,,_
>ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_
> |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-'
> '---''(_/--' `-'\_)
>"A woman is not a basket you place your buns in to keep them warm, not a
>brood hen you can slip duck eggs under, not a purse, holding the coins
>of your descendants till you spend them in wars." (Marge Piercy)
I've been slammed for responding to an article which _should_ have been in the
alt.personals area, so let me ask this: what does THIS^^^^^^ have to with
romance?!?!!
Jason Gilford
>
>wh...@aryan.com wrote:
>> What a joke! They should all stay in
>>their areas of the world. Of course, the white race being technically,
>>socially, and genetically superior have the right to occupy any part of
>>the world chosen.
>
>If you white guys are SOOO superior how come the Jews have been
>running your asses for 2000 years? You are just a bunch of dumb
>fucks when compared to the REAL Master Race. Haha. The Jews let
>you occupy anything you want because they have a system superior
>to occupation. Its called control. White guys take the heat.
>Jews take the money.
>
>> If it wasn’t for the white race all dark people would still be living
>>in mud huts and Asians in paper/bamboo houses to this day. They have
>>only advanced because of the charity from the white race or stealing
>>technology created by the white race.
>
>Except for superior Jewish technology. Which we would have used
>against that coward Hitler if he had given us just a few more
>months of resistance. Jews invented the A bomb. Because you
>Aryans were too dumb. We got Roosevelt to finance it for us.
>With the White peoples money.
>
>The White people will never wake up because they are too dumb!
>
>Simon
>
>
>
There is no such thing as the "Jewish" race you stupid goof. Its only a
religion like all others....brainwashing ignorant people. Religion casuses
most of the problems in this world and should be abolished.
You are an ignorant goof!
Tom L Gabbard
listen you twisted ,inbred, six toed, sister fucking bigot,
this group has no interest in your idiotic, archaic, backwater, ideas.
keep these stupidity laced ideas to yourself, and your shit head friends!
it is so obvious, you fear and hate those who are your betters
Marty E.
mark edward balcom
Remember the Christians in southern Sudan
day. I decided today to check out this newsgroup for the hell of it,
and see what kind of shit goes on in here. I really can't believe what
I see. You dumb pieces of shit have nothing better to do than to
argue. Well, that seems to be the case of the rest of the world. So
while I'm busy telling all of you how dumb you are to fight amongst
each other, I may as well state that the whole worked too is fucked up.
One day we will all have a big war and blow each other to shit. Then
all the animals could re-take the earth, while the survivors of the
human race will be walking around with 3 heads. Better yet, I think a
huge plague would be nice. We would die in immense suffering, and maybe
our skin would peel off at that, too. Well, I can't take this planet,
nor the fucks living on it. Time to cleanse the earth, and give it
back to whom it belongs; NATURE. Have fun quibling. For while you're
facing your computer, arguing, I'll be gathering my followers, and
we'll do justice to everyone soon after. You may as well enjoy
yourselves for now, cause as soon as I get the chance...Well, the whole
world will be better off, and the everyone will just be what they're
looking for here...Fucked.
reverend_damaskaii
>wh...@aryan.com wrote:
>> What a joke! They should all stay in
>>their areas of the world. Of course, the white race being technically,
>>socially, and genetically superior have the right to occupy any part of
>>the world chosen.
>If you white guys are SOOO superior how come the Jews have been
>running your asses for 2000 years? You are just a bunch of dumb
>fucks when compared to the REAL Master Race. Haha. The Jews let
>you occupy anything you want because they have a system superior
>to occupation. Its called control. White guys take the heat.
>Jews take the money.
>> If it wasn’t for the white race all dark people would still be living
>>in mud huts and Asians in paper/bamboo houses to this day. They have
>>only advanced because of the charity from the white race or stealing
>>technology created by the white race.
>Except for superior Jewish technology. Which we would have used
>against that coward Hitler if he had given us just a few more
>months of resistance. Jews invented the A bomb. Because you
>Aryans were too dumb. We got Roosevelt to finance it for us.
>With the White peoples money.
>The White people will never wake up because they are too dumb!
>Simon
please tell me that is is meant to be sarcasm. *sigh*, why do you
guys let yourselves get so riled up? ignore the fuck.
either that, or go to his house. with a big bat. do whatever, i
don't care.
Reverend Damaskaii, the SIMIAN.
Tired of the same old religion? Stop by THE CHURCH OF THE ANGRY
MONKEY!
http://www.tripod.com/~dcminor/church.htm
Gregg
>A very realistic view. The V-Chip is censorship. I was talking to a
>few people in my office, and they said that the chip wont work until
>the broadcasters are required to and do attach a special signal to the
>broadcast. The signal is picked up by the chip which uses the info to
>filter out material based on the users preferences. The chip wont
>block commercials though... pity. The point is, violence and sexual
>explicit material does SELL and most things in the world are PROFIT
>driven. Bottom line: It's not profitable to comply with the
>requirements of the V-Chip. Will the V-Chip block violent cartoons?
>I doubt it. Will the V-Chip block talk shows that discuss
>controversial issues? What do you think?
If only it would block *commercials*, I'd be all for it!
>Although I think that the V-Chip is a well intentioned idea, I don't
>think that in practical application it will work.
Those who still haven't learned to set the clock on their VCRs are
likely to have a problem in programming out violent programs.
--
Gregg
Dan Hillman
: Perry Baker wrote:
: >
: > In <4goqbe$u...@maze.dpo.uab.edu> Mike Harper
: > <zu0...@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu> writes:
: Path:
: newsfeed.direct.ca!hookup!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!sparky.midwest.net!usenet
: From: Jon Keller
: Newsgroups: alt.sex.wanted
: Subject: Test
: Date: 15 Feb 1996 05:23:09 GMT
: Organization: Figure it out
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: NNTP-Posting-Host: dial4-20.midwest.net
: X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.)
: What in the hell is going on with all of this politically correct
: bull shit when it comes to racism. Every white person has the right to
: be racist and detest what is happening to the western world which was
: created by the white race. We have the right to stick up for white
: rights.... the world has too many uncivilized colored savages that
: threaten all that the white race has achieved. They over breed...far
: beyond the capacity of their homeland to offer a reasonable quality of
: life...so they infest other areas of the world that the white race has
: made prosperous. First they come in form of cheap labor, but once they
: get their foot in the door........
[ plenty-o extreme racist twaddle snipped ]
: Remember.......the fittest shall survive! Hail AIDS .........ARYAN
: REVENGE
Come on bro, you can't deny that anglo-saxons can't cook worth shit!
I much prefer to live among a diverse crowd and sample the
cuisine (food) of the world.
Thai, Mexican, Vietnamese, these "brown" people can cook circles
around any anglo-saxon any fucking day.
-Dan
john wilker
Computers are the way of the future. Now if you beg nicelike we'll let
you clean our keyboards. Arguing is hardly the word for it. We discuss
potent political issues. Things you might not understand. Who'd
areciate nature if we're all dead you goober. Why don't you turn off
the computer and let a nine year old with double your IQ have it. I'm
sure the rock you crawled out of is getting lonely. Bye bye
ICEMAN
Matthias V. Ellinger
obviously suffering of a weak brain and of delusions of superiority; the
white race has come down from the tree-tops long after many other races, but
I don't suppose you even know that.
Go see your doctor - there are no sick idiots for your compüany here!
--
Matthias V. Ellinger, violinist
E-Mail: mael...@stud.uni-sb.de
"If you think education is expensive, try ignorance."
-- Derek Bok, president of Harvard --
Graham Shevlin
<guff deleted>
What a waste of bandwidth. And whoever wrote this is a waste of the
Earth's natural resources.
The Generalissimo
anything other than white, hispanic, black, African, jewish, muslim,
hindu, gay, or indian nothing would have been said. If you beleive the
constitution all people have the same rights. This govt. document is
only RECOGNITION of the fact.
The truth is that a few years ago a student was kicked out of the Univ.
at Ann Arbor MI. for attempting to start a white students union. There
were student unions of all shades and sexual choices already present.
Funny how only he was a racist.
Brett E. Fricke
On 27 Feb 1996, mark edward balcom wrote:
> You are not even worth answering.
True, but you just did.
Queenie
>wh...@aryan.com wrote:
>> What a joke! They should all stay in
>>their areas of the world. Of course, the white race being technically,
>>socially, and genetically superior have the right to occupy any part of
>>the world chosen.
>
>If you white guys are SOOO superior how come the Jews have been
>running your asses for 2000 years? You are just a bunch of dumb
>fucks when compared to the REAL Master Race. Haha. The Jews let
>you occupy anything you want because they have a system superior
>to occupation. Its called control. White guys take the heat.
>Jews take the money.
>
than this racist pig. NO Race is superior to another they are
just different. Grow up. You seriously need to look into your
history books. And this type of attitude and propaganda is what
caused the Jews to be targeted for so many years in Europe. The
so called Aryan race didn't dislike the Jews for any reason except
that they thought they were controlling the world.
>> If it wasn t for the white race all dark people would still be living
>>in mud huts and Asians in paper/bamboo houses to this day. They have
>>only advanced because of the charity from the white race or stealing
>>technology created by the white race.
>
>Except for superior Jewish technology. Which we would have used
>against that coward Hitler if he had given us just a few more
>months of resistance. Jews invented the A bomb. Because you
>Aryans were too dumb. We got Roosevelt to finance it for us.
>With the White peoples money.
>
>The White people will never wake up because they are too dumb!
>
You seriously need a history lesson on WW2. The only reason the US
got involved in because of Japan attacking Pearl Harbor, before that
they were merely supplying Britain and that wasn't helping anything.
The US, including most Jews didn't know what was going on (the common
people that is and in fact critizied the victims of the Holocaust in
the seventies because of their seemingly lack of resistence.) If Hitler
had held out for longer, that would have only made it easier for him to
continue his war against the Jews. More people would have died
senselessly. Hitler's main priority was the extermination of the Jews
first and then the war with the rest of the world.
And as far as white vs Jew, there is no difference. The last I checked
the Jewish people I know don't look that much different than me. There
is no difference and the percieved difference is something that pseudo-
science made up and was very popular because of the already present
hatred of the Jews left over from earlier times involving deicide and
the catholic church.
Don't be fooled into thinking that this was just a Jewish problem. It
can happen to anyone. For those of you who think that it can never
happen to you, YOU ARE WRONG! This is an illness of humanity and has
nothing to do with specific people.
>.
Unknown
Actually, Al, the Democratic method is to obtain a far more expensive
flea powder at the expense of those who have neither dogs nor fleas.
--
Gregg
Renee M. Carlson
>wh...@aryan.com wrote:
>: What in the hell is going on with all of this politically correct
>: bull shit when it comes to racism. Every white person has the right
>: to be racist and detest what is happening to the western world which
>: was created by the white race. We have the right to stick up for
>: white
>: rights.... the world has too many uncivilized colored savages that
>: threaten all that the white race has achieved. They over
>:breed...far
>: beyond the capacity of their homeland to offer a reasonable quality
>:of
>: life...so they infest other areas of the world that the white race
>: has
>: made prosperous. First they come in form of cheap labor, but once
>: they
>: get their foot in the door........
>
>[ plenty-o extreme racist twaddle snipped ]
>
>: Remember.......the fittest shall survive! Hail AIDS .........ARYAN
>: REVENGE
Blah, blah, blah. It amazes me that you think this way. #1, it has
been documented (see your local library) that the first humans were
located in Africa. Therefore, the black man is truely the purest of
all humans. I am white. My herritage is Scottish and English. I
certainly hope that all people of color do not think that all whites
view the world as you do. You close-minded twit.
#2, I believe the Native Americans were red, not white, and they
created the origional western world and #3, The United States is made
up of all races, it's a hodge-podge of people and mixes. If you don't
like it, find a deserted island and take some of your friends with you.
L. Davis
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: > > >>>I agree. And from a parental control standpoint I think the V-Chip
: makes
: > > >>>a lot of sense.
: >
: > Of course, the V-chip will be able to program out commercials, won't it?
: Only the violent ones.
Hey, now THERE's an idea! A chip that'll blank out commercials! I'd
buy it! :)
=-Jason
Brett E. Fricke
Exactly. I am Jewish, and a lot of people I know think I look very
similar to such Mediterranean nationalities as the Italians and Portugese
(I've been mistaken for both). I don't know why so many people think
that Jews have a distinct look, or that all Jews look the same. We are
all different, just as members of all ethnic and/or religious groups are
different.
-Frick
LawyerBoy 0.001
>I'm a college student and my boyfriend and I are currently
>trying to scrape together what little credit we have left to
>buy a news TV before this V-chip is put in all of them. We're
>horrified by the idea that the government, specifically a
>person other than ourselves, can regulate what is available for
>our viewing pleasure.
Oh GEEZUS, you really are stupid aren't you? The V-Chip doesn't "regulate
what is available for your viewing pleasure." It only gives you the *ability*
to regulate what shows up on *your* screen. Are you afraid someone is going
to sneak into your house and block out all the sex and violence and not tell
you the password they used? Come on. The point is to give parents some
method of policing what their own kids watch.
Granted, it will be ineffective for numerous reasons: mainly, parents that
don't care aren't even going to bother using the V-chip in the first place.
Only the goody goody parents will bother but odds are they *already* took an
interest in their kids' choice of TV programming so the V-chip is redundant
and likely unnecessary. As for the kid-less (ala me), it means we'll end up
paying for one extra doohickey we don't need. This part pisses me off because
all I want is a huge fucking hi-res monitor. I don't need those dinky
"surround sound" speakers. I've got un stereo grande that makes that bullshit
pitifully redundant. Hell, I don't even want a tuner in my TV. I've got a
hi-fi Sony VCR that does that for me. I certainly don't need some gov't
mandated V-chip to block out violence. Hell, I *like* watching violence. But
the V-chip won't stop *Me*. In fact, it won't stop any hacker kids out there
either. You're paranoid.
What I'm saying is that the only consequence of the V-chip will be a little
extra silicone in your set that does absolutely nothing. It doesn't stop what
is being broadcast to your set. It only works if *you* engage it. It doesn't
keep track of everything you watch. Only Neilsen guinnea pigs subject
themselves to that but hey! They're compensated with free cable!
>The scariest thing about this V-chip, is
>that over half the people I've talked to have never heard of
>it. Of those that have, less than half know what it is and
>does. Unfortunately, too many Americans are underinformed when
>it comes to these issues.
So it seems.
Look: I don't like government involvement any more than say... the most
psychotic of libertarians, but this is really nothing to be afraid of. It's
just another piece of bogus legislation designed to make a few people feel
good. "Ahh... well, we've finally solved the social ills of society!"
Bah! They didn't solve shit. But if it makes them *feel* better, maybe they
will leave the censorship up to parents and their own damned children rather
than dictating what's good and bad across the board for the rest of us. If
we're lucky, the V-chip might give legislators an excuse to get away from
censorship by saying they already gave us a tool to deal with "inappropriate"
programming.
It's the difference between a police state and the right to bear arms. A
police state might be "safer" in that everyone cowers in fear of the
government whereas the right to bear arms provides the populace with the tool
of self-defense.
Wage your war against *real* censorship and don't worry about the V-chip. If
anything bring suit against the government to recuperate the additional costs
to your new tv set. You'll be thrown out of court of course, but you might
get on TV yourself.
>And just before anyone decides to flame me-- I've had little
>opportunity to debate my view points but felt the need to
>express them; if you want to flame me, feel free and I'll feel
>free to ignore you; if you have a logical arguement for or
>against my view point, I'd love to here it, though.
You do what you will but notice the "follow-up to:" line and feel free to trim
it even more.
LawyerBoy 0.001 | http://www.neosoft.com/~jjsims/
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"Humanity is loved in general in order to avoid having
to love anybody in particular." - Albert Camus
Randy Gouge
> The White people will never wake up because they are too dumb!
>
What ? ... is this, like, a contest to see who can be the most
arrogant and insulting. If it is ... its lookin' neck-n-neck from here.
Chamberlain
> To sum it all up-I think the V-chip sucks.
>
>
>
All,
Granted I just recently tuned in on all of this conversation but
having one of my degrees in communications I thought an avenue of this
predicament may not have been explored. I can't believe TV people
(networks) are worried about this V-chip thing. They say they will lose
advertising but I see it quite to the contrary. The select nature of the
viewing audience will allow them to target a potential audience much more
efficiently. Some companies may want to advertise that normally could
not and this can create new revenue. Also the V-chip seems as though it
would *allow* more on television. If every TV had a V-chip you could
program very graphic or very true to life adult situations- sex violence
and all- without having to worry about the censors and the religous right
crawling down your neck, the shows would be personally censored at their
viewing source by the viewing audience the way it should be!!! The chip
just takes it one step farther by insuring that if a program you find
objectionable comes on the air you won't even have to get up and change
the chanel or turn it off. So those of us that want to see people get
shot or have sex can simply by turning off our chip. Perhaps more decent
programming will make its way to our airwaves! I think the V-chip could
be potentially better in the long run!
The Chamberlain
Paul Drysdale
Why the fuck are you responding in this newsgroup...asshole?