Rumor control: Zima defeats the breathalyzer?
Shaheen Ali
Now, I do not want to start a rumor, but I have been hearing something
that needs verification.
Here in Boston, I have had at least three friends, two bartenders, and
one stranger tell me independently, that drinking Zima (nice hat) will
not cause you to test positive on a blood alcohol level breathalyzer
test.
Is this true? This rumor defies every fact I know about BAC and
alcohol consumption. I wouldn't give the statements any credibility
whatsoever, except that six people have independently told me that its
true.
Shaheen
P.S. I assume folklore is the right place for this post.
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Glenn M. Poorman
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|>
|> Now, I do not want to start a rumor, but I have been hearing something
|> that needs verification.
|>
|> Here in Boston, I have had at least three friends, two bartenders, and
|> one stranger tell me independently, that drinking Zima (nice hat) will
|> not cause you to test positive on a blood alcohol level breathalyzer
|> test.
|>
|> Is this true? This rumor defies every fact I know about BAC and
|> alcohol consumption. I wouldn't give the statements any credibility
|> whatsoever, except that six people have independently told me that its
|> true.
|>
|> Shaheen
|>
|> P.S. I assume folklore is the right place for this post.
I think you've heard it from six people independently just because it
seems to be a very popular piece of folklore. This thread has gone
around before and I beleive the consensus was that the business about
Zima not showing up on a breathalyzer is pure fiction. Besides, I would
need a lot more incentive than that to choke down a Zima.
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William Hunt
>Now, I do not want to start a rumor, but I have been hearing something
>that needs verification.
>Here in Boston, I have had at least three friends, two bartenders, and
>one stranger tell me independently, that drinking Zima (nice hat) will
>not cause you to test positive on a blood alcohol level breathalyzer
>test.
>Is this true? This rumor defies every fact I know about BAC and
>alcohol consumption. I wouldn't give the statements any credibility
>whatsoever, except that six people have independently told me that its
>true.
Just one word for this : hogwash ( or rubbish, I can't decide). The BAC
meters work off of the EtOH concentration deep in the lungs
where the air and what is in the blood is assumed to be in equilibrium.
Therefore, if there is alcohol in it, it will shown up on a
breath-tester.
>P.S. I assume folklore is the right place for this post.
Sounds like the right place.
Imagine you are in a world without Zima, wait that used to be true.
What happened to that perfect world?
L Boyd
What I would like to know is why the hell it matters?
Rather than waste my time scamming about how to beat a breatholizer,
I would call a cab and be *absolutely* certain I made it home without
killing someone, killing myself or flunking a bac test and ending
up in jail.
It's illegal to drive drunk for a very good reason.
lauren
ps- besides, I bet zima themselves started the rumour. If your product
were reputed to beat the breatholizer, don't you think tha tmight do
some good for their pocketbooks????
DistanceMe
poo...@cc4032.pms.ford.com (Glenn M. Poorman) writes:
Besides, I would
need a lot more incentive than that to choke down a Zima.
ZIMA TASTES LIKE ZIT!
Joel Plutchak
>In article <ALI.94Ju...@asterix.hi.Com>, a...@asterix.hi.Com (Shaheen Ali) writes:
>|>
>|> P.S. I assume folklore is the right place for this post.
>
>I think you've heard it from six people independently just because it
>seems to be a very popular piece of folklore. This thread has gone
>around before and I beleive the consensus was that the business about
>Zima not showing up on a breathalyzer is pure fiction.
No, the only consensus was that since Zima is not beer, it shouldn't
be discussed in the *.beer newsgroups. Follow-ups set appropriately.
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Brown University Planetary Geology
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Joe DiMaggio
: Here in Boston, I have had at least three friends, two bartenders, and
: one stranger tell me independently, that drinking Zima (nice hat) will
: not cause you to test positive on a blood alcohol level breathalyzer
: test.
I've also heard that things like Binaca, Certs, TicTacs, Clorets, etc will
"mask" the alcohol and fool the breathalyzer. Needless to say, they work as
well as Zima does ie not at all...
Joe D
Steve Dunham
While we're on the topic of Zima. :) I'll post my version of a recent
Zima advert.
(Two kids walk into a bar)
Kids: We'll have two beer's.
Bartender: Never heard of it.
Kids: (looking around, seeing everybody drinking Zima) We'll have two
Bud's then.
Bartender: (Hands them two bottles of Bud (sic)) OK.
Gerald Belton
> ps- besides, I bet zima themselves started the rumour. If your product
> were reputed to beat the breatholizer, don't you think tha tmight do
> some good for their pocketbooks????
You must be right. Surely no one is buying Zima because they like the
taste. . . .
Gordon Baldwin
I thought Zima causes impotence. All the studies that have been done
have been mysterously hushed up. If the results were not so bad why
havn't we heard about them?
I would be carefull with that stuff unless you want to lead a celibate
life.
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Ted Shai-Hulud Bedwell
Shaheen Ali <a...@asterix.hi.Com> wrote:
>
>Here in Boston, I have had at least three friends, two bartenders, and
>one stranger tell me independently, that drinking Zima (nice hat) will
>not cause you to test positive on a blood alcohol level breathalyzer
>test.
>
>Is this true?.....
Well it shouldn't matter...if you never drink and drive that is.
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David A. Podgursky
Zima is one of those inexplicable accidents that won't go away
ZIMA...first of all is made by COORS and therefore should be
boycotted... COORS is a proud sponsor of all sorts of racist bull like
the clan and a few white supremacist and neo-nazi groups...Adolf Coors
just loved those pinheads...
second...without cranberry juice it is wholly unpalatable....and with it
it does NOT resemble Sam Adams Cranberry Lambic at all...it is more like
a fake Madras...
next...no matter what anyone says there is little or no alcohol in the
shit...so that is how you fool the breathalizer!...because there is
nothing to set it off
now...having a brother that is permanently scarred because of a drunk
driver...I sympathize with those in Madd and the like...
but no company...not even coors would be so stupid to push
a product because it "defeats a breathalizer"
what that would do would promote those that have been convicted
to start drinking again and wreck someone elses life...
BUT...it is false to say that any alcohol will not register...BUT Zima
only fools its consumers by appearing in restaurants and bars as
something to savor....
David
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Marc de Jonge
Yes, this is definitely true, Zima is now the compulsory drink
for trappist monks.
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Joel Plutchak
>Ok....let's first start off by my 2cents about Zima...
>Zima is one of those inexplicable accidents that won't go away
>ZIMA...first of all is made by COORS and therefore should be
>boycotted... COORS is a proud sponsor of all sorts of racist bull like
>the clan and a few white supremacist and neo-nazi groups...Adolf Coors
>just loved those pinheads...
Could you document this for those of us who actually like a little
truth, rather than simple unsubstantiated folklore? So far, everybody
I challenged in private on the subject has been unable to document
claims such as the above.
Personally, I'd suggest "boycotting" Coors for making insipid
beers, rather than for some perhaps imagined political sympathies of
the founder (?) of the company.
[Followup where appropriate, please.]
Mark M Wehner
there goes all that trappist ale i drink.
Brian Scearce
> I thought Zima causes impotence.
It's not the Zima, it's that damned hat.
Brian "Zorry, thiz doezn't uzually happen to me" Scearce
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It's not Beavis & Butthead's fault their viewers are as stupid as they are.
David Delaney
It's not that Zima causes impotence, it's that just about anybody I know, male
or female, wouldn't want to sleep with the kind of loser trendoid yuppie slave-
to-advertising that drinks that crap that tastes like Sprite's evil twin!
-Cakeboy
David Delaney
: Now, I do not want to start a rumor, but I have been hearing something
: that needs verification.
: Shaheen
I have a very plausible theory as to how this ridiculous rumor got started.
Since Zima is a "unique alcohol beverage" (ie not beer but crap) it does not
smell like beer, or leave a very strong alcohol smell on your breath. So
therefore 16 year-old kids in can go out and get bombed on Zima, come home,
and fool mom and dad with their non-reeking breath. From there it probably
ballooned into "it can fool a breathalizer"
Maybe?
-cakeboy
Andrew Rogers
>: Now, I do not want to start a rumor, but I have been hearing something
>: that needs verification.
>
>Since Zima is a "unique alcohol beverage" (ie not beer but crap) it does not
>smell like beer, or leave a very strong alcohol smell on your breath.
I heard basically the same rumor about vodka in the 1950's - since it did
not have a whiskey-like smell, the theory was that it would neither show
up on your breath nor on a Breathalyzer.
>Maybe?
Wishful thinking - the Breathalyzer detects the alcohol from your lungs (a
byproduct of metabolizing it: stomach -> bloodstream -> lungs), not the
alcohol in your mouth or stomach.
Andrew
Mark Shaw
>Ok....let's first start off by my 2cents about Zima...
>Zima is one of those inexplicable accidents that won't go away
>ZIMA...first of all is made by COORS and therefore should be
>boycotted... COORS is a proud sponsor of all sorts of racist bull like
>the clan and a few white supremacist and neo-nazi groups...Adolf Coors
>just loved those pinheads...
Their dreadful (except Winterfest) products aside, Coors does
not sponsor or support these organizations.
Please stop propagating this libel.
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Mark Shaw
(my opinions, not Texas Instruments')
"The radio didn't kill Edward. Edward killed the radio."
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khay...@pixels.com
Id> While we're on the topic of Zima. :) I'll post my version of a
Id> recent Zima advert.
Id>
Id> (Two kids walk into a bar)
hehehe... love it.... ummm... has anyone found out yet if zima has any
alcohol in it yet?!? we still can't find out...
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P.S.: for crying out loud, let's get back to talking about beer!!
Glenn M. Poorman
|> Could someone tell me once and for all whether this business about
|> Adolph Coors being racist is true or not? If it is true, what evidence
|> is there to support it? If it is false, how and why was this urban
|> legend created?
|>
|> Thanks in advance,
|> Lel
I really don't think you'll ever get a straight answer. My suggestion
to you is .... do what I do. Skip these posts and move on to the beer
posts.
Mike Czaplinski
No, you're both wrong.
Zima isn't selling well in Spanish-speaking countries because, in Spanish,
Zima means "Clear, tasteless mildly alcoholic beverage with far too much
carbonation".
Mike "Taurets R Us" Czaplinski
mcc<at>nsscmail.att.com
David A. Podgursky
>|> Adolph Coors being racist is true or not? If it is true, what evidence
>|> is there to support it? If it is false, how and why was this urban
>|> legend created?
>|>
>|> Thanks in advance,
>|> Lel
>
>I really don't think you'll ever get a straight answer. My suggestion
>to you is .... do what I do. Skip these posts and move on to the beer
>posts.
>
how much it matters...I just hate supporting those
who are so narrow minded and vociferous in their support
of such hate inspired causes....
btw...You who work for Ford...
Henry Ford is one of the country's/world's most
outrageous antiSemites...
he cowrote THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION
that is the required reading for most skinhead/neonazi groups...
Glenn M. Poorman
|> >|> Could someone tell me once and for all whether this business about
|> >|> Adolph Coors being racist is true or not? If it is true, what evidence
|> >|> is there to support it? If it is false, how and why was this urban
|> >|> legend created?
|> >|>
|> >|> Thanks in advance,
|> >|> Lel
|> >
|> >I really don't think you'll ever get a straight answer. My suggestion
|> >to you is .... do what I do. Skip these posts and move on to the beer
|> >posts.
|> >
|> Look...I am not sure
|> how much it matters...I just hate supporting those
|> who are so narrow minded and vociferous in their support
|> of such hate inspired causes....
|>
|> btw...You who work for Ford...
|> Henry Ford is one of the country's/world's most
|> outrageous antiSemites...
|> he cowrote THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION
|> that is the required reading for most skinhead/neonazi groups...
|>
|> David
I'll quit immediately!
P.S. Henry is dead.
Gus Iverson
>Look...I am not sure
>how much it matters...I just hate supporting those
>who are so narrow minded and vociferous in their support
>of such hate inspired causes....
>btw...You who work for Ford...
>Henry Ford is one of the country's/world's most
>outrageous antiSemites...
>he cowrote THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION
>that is the required reading for most skinhead/neonazi groups...
>David
Isn't boycotting a product just because of rumors just as narrow
minded as the religous right claiming that the bible is factual? I mean
really if you like a product buy it, since I am sure most of the people
who are interested in beer don't drink much in the way of megabrewed
anymore then it really makes no differnce. Boycotting a product which you
wouldn't buy anyway accomplishes little more than annoying others.
Claiming that others should buy or not buy what you say is very similar to
telling them what they should belive as well. Seeing as you are implying a
liberal attitude that also incompases an open minded view of people who
don't like other people for a particular reason as well as a product.
(Equasion of anti-semitism and boycotts). From a middle standpoint your
boycotts are just as "Nazi" as the alleged actions of Adolf Coors. Write
him a letter instead.
Personal aside and potential flamebait. I think that his name is
the unfortunate cause of the problems. And every time a union wants its
way it strongarms as hard as a big company.
Gus Iverson
n914...@cc.wwu.edu
Please keep flames off the groups and feel free to send me hate (or
support) at home.
Dave Ratcliffe
- Zima isn't selling well in Spanish-speaking countries because, in Spanish,
- Zima means "Clear, tasteless mildly alcoholic beverage with far too much
- carbonation".
I knew there was ZOMETHING I didn't like about that stuff.
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Harrisburg, Pa.
McKown
plut...@lager.geo.brown.edu writes:
> Could you document this for those of us who actually like a little
> truth, rather than simple unsubstantiated folklore? So far,
everybody
> I challenged in private on the subject has been unable to document
> claims such as the above.
> Personally, I'd suggest "boycotting" Coors for making insipid
> beers, rather than for some perhaps imagined political sympathies of
> the founder (?) of the company.
Read "The Coors Connection" by Russ Belant. This should clear up your
doubts.
Jon Richards
: In article <2ts5n4$m...@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> Joel Plutchak,
Yeah. That boycott has been over for several years. The local hispanic organizations now work with Coors on all sorts of things. Jeez, you'd think
people could keep up...<g>
Doak Heyser
> Personally, I'd suggest "boycotting" Coors for making insipid
> beers, rather than for some perhaps imagined political sympathies of
> the founder (?) of the company.
Back in '76 I came out to Colorado from a state where I'd been able
to drink for two years. I turned 21 after a few months and went into a
bar on Pearl called Shannons that was a pretty rough place (for
Boulder) with biker and blue-collar types outnumbering the students by
a wide margin. Unknown to me at the time, Coors was trying to break
the union (they succeeded) and there were some hard feelings.
Being the wet-eared ignoramous I am, I asked the young lady behind
the bar for a Coors. She got a disgusted look on her face, leaned in
my face, and yelled, "WE DON'T SERVE THAT SHIT HERE!". The whole place
stopped dead quiet. Flustered and red-faced, I said, "Oh. Give me a
Vodka Collins then." She poured me a glass of straight vodka, tossed a
lime in it, and charged me $3 for the pleasure. I've never had the
desire to drink a Coors since.
Speaking of Coors, there's my friend Bob, a true alky and major
mega-swiller, who just might have drunk more beer than everyone on
rec.food.drink.beer combined. The last time I saw someone offer him a
Coors he got a pained look on his face, shook his head, and said, "I
can't drink that cheap stuff. It gives me the trots."
