Bre,fe, exitilus cheats a
Ace
To: raw...@aol.com (Rawlem)
Subject: Bre,fe, exitilus cheats a
R>I am building a website for bbs door cheats, tricks, and tips. I am currentl
>testing 2 bre cheats for sysops participating in inter-bbs games. #1 restorin
>backup games. #2 Adding an extra node to brnodes.dat and trading stuff. Pleas
>email me your cheats and tricks.
I wish you had to get a license to be, and called, a SysOp. The only way those
cheats can be done is by a dishonest "SysOp". Any BBS where the "SysOp" is a
cheat, is a BBS destined to disappear... (Which is usually the case, thank
God)
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Bill Arkell
>
>I wish you had to get a license to be, and called, a SysOp. The only way
those
>cheats can be done is by a dishonest "SysOp". Any BBS where the "SysOp" is
a
>cheat, is a BBS destined to disappear... (Which is usually the case, thank
>God)
>
the board. However KNOWING of the cheats and the symptoms of use is good
because then you can get the cheating scum removed from the net which your
board is in.
I have seen BBS's set up so that the sysop could "win" in BRE and as soon as
it was demonstrated that even with cheating he was going to be destroyed by
all of the honest players the BBS had a "crash" and never returned. I have
seen this 4 or 5 times so far and I am sure I will see it again.
Ace
To: "Bill Arkell" <bi...@worldchat.com>
Subject: Bre,fe, exitilus cheats a
>As a BRE player and Sysop I agree about using the cheats and what happens to
>the board. However KNOWING of the cheats and the symptoms of use is good
>because then you can get the cheating scum removed from the net which your
>board is in.
Thats true I guess... We gathered proof that a local BBS was cheating (The
SysOp type) and they were banned for life. The BBS last about a year. :)
>I have seen BBS's set up so that the sysop could "win" in BRE and as soon as
>it was demonstrated that even with cheating he was going to be destroyed by
>all of the honest players the BBS had a "crash" and never returned. I have
>seen this 4 or 5 times so far and I am sure I will see it again.
hehe Yeah. Usually when mine crashes is when we are getting pummeled by 4
boards. Dunno if its the huge game xfers or what. Happened twice.
Lost clusters and cross linked files...
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Catlin
On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:34:00, "Ace" <A...@none-yet.com> wrote:
>To: raw...@aol.com (Rawlem)
>Subject: Bre,fe, exitilus cheats a
>
>R>I am building a website for bbs door cheats, tricks, and tips. I am currentl
> >testing 2 bre cheats for sysops participating in inter-bbs games. #1 restorin
> >backup games. #2 Adding an extra node to brnodes.dat and trading stuff. Pleas
> >email me your cheats and tricks.
>
>I wish you had to get a license to be, and called, a SysOp. The only way those
>cheats can be done is by a dishonest "SysOp". Any BBS where the "SysOp" is a
>cheat, is a BBS destined to disappear... (Which is usually the case, thank
>God)
If BBS software was better written, the "bad guys" wouldn't be able to
cheat! :) Bottom line is, there is a need for BETTER bbs software
and/or more beta testing.
Catlin
Susej123
>If BBS software was better written, the "bad guys" wouldn't be able to
>cheat! :) Bottom line is, there is a need for BETTER bbs software
>and/or more beta testing.
Since when did *BBS SOFTWARE* have *ANYTHING* to do with someone cheating in a
*DOOR GAME*? All a SysOp has to do is shell to Dos (or whatever) and go into
the GAME'S editor and edit THE GAME.
What BBS software someone's running doesn't have any impact on how well they
cheat in a game, or even if they do at all.
jack
On Fri, 1 May 1998 21:00:51 -0400, "Bill Arkell" <bi...@worldchat.com>
wrote:
>>
>>I wish you had to get a license to be, and called, a SysOp. The only way
>those
>>cheats can be done is by a dishonest "SysOp". Any BBS where the "SysOp" is
>a
>>cheat, is a BBS destined to disappear... (Which is usually the case, thank
>>God)
>>
>As a BRE player and Sysop I agree about using the cheats and what happens to
>the board. However KNOWING of the cheats and the symptoms of use is good
>because then you can get the cheating scum removed from the net which your
>board is in.
>
>I have seen BBS's set up so that the sysop could "win" in BRE and as soon as
>it was demonstrated that even with cheating he was going to be destroyed by
>all of the honest players the BBS had a "crash" and never returned. I have
>seen this 4 or 5 times so far and I am sure I will see it again.
>
There are no editors in these games that a sysop could use anyway to
cheat, so unless you are talking about being clever enough to edit
files, I fail to see how this cheating can be accomplished
zor...@pipeline.com.au
Cyberknight
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ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄį On Mon, May. 04, 1998, "ace" said this: ®ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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"¯To: "Bill Arkell" <bi...@worldchat.com>
"¯Subject: Bre,fe, exitilus cheats a
"¯>As a BRE player and Sysop I agree about using the cheats and what happens t
"¯>the board. However KNOWING of the cheats and the symptoms of use is good
"¯>because then you can get the cheating scum removed from the net which your
"¯>board is in.
"¯Thats true I guess... We gathered proof that a local BBS was cheating (The
"¯SysOp type) and they were banned for life. The BBS last about a year. :)
"¯>I have seen BBS's set up so that the sysop could "win" in BRE and as soon a
"¯>it was demonstrated that even with cheating he was going to be destroyed by
"¯>all of the honest players the BBS had a "crash" and never returned. I have
"¯>seen this 4 or 5 times so far and I am sure I will see it again.
"¯hehe Yeah. Usually when mine crashes is when we are getting pummeled by 4
"¯boards. Dunno if its the huge game xfers or what. Happened twice.
"¯ Lost clusters and cross linked files...
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hmmm, can i get a list of the cheats? and the symtoms? im in a league game
now.. and well, i wonder about one of the bbs's.. plz and thanx
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jack wrote:
> >I have seen BBS's set up so that the sysop could "win" in BRE and as soon as
> >it was demonstrated that even with cheating he was going to be destroyed by
> >all of the honest players the BBS had a "crash" and never returned. I have
> >seen this 4 or 5 times so far and I am sure I will see it again.
> >
> There are no editors in these games that a sysop could use anyway to
> cheat, so unless you are talking about being clever enough to edit
> files, I fail to see how this cheating can be accomplished
In an interBBS league, there are plenty of ways to cheat at the sysop level.
Especially when the LC sets MIT times to anything over, say, 4 days.... You can
do some serious damage with packet transfers..
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Bill Arkell
>
>> >I have seen BBS's set up so that the sysop could "win" in BRE and as
soon as
>> >it was demonstrated that even with cheating he was going to be destroyed
by
>> >all of the honest players the BBS had a "crash" and never returned. I
have
>> >seen this 4 or 5 times so far and I am sure I will see it again.
>> >
>> There are no editors in these games that a sysop could use anyway to
>> cheat, so unless you are talking about being clever enough to edit
>> files, I fail to see how this cheating can be accomplished
>
Example 1/ Who better to set multiple ids up on a system and ensure that
they can ALWAYS play? (Seen it done)
Example 2/ Encourage their players to play duplicate accounts on other
boards to spy BUT monitor the players to see who is working for the enemy in
the same fasthion and ban them from the board and assimilate the regions.
(Seen it done).
Example 3/ A board begins to destroy you. Delete the incoming packets from
that board to make them lose the military for the MIA time. Buys you time
where your enemies can't attack and you can. (Seen it done)
Example 4/ Use ther BRE VIEW command to review everyones current status and
issue detailed instructions to all players. (Seen this too)
Example 5/ I know of a system (and how to implement it) whereby you can
AUTOMATICALLY delete any packet containing an attack AGAINST you but allow
your attacks to go out and return. (I have seen this by two boards)
Example 6/ Coordinator can reset the settings for their board and not send
out an update. Would you like it if your fought the CO's board and they had
settings for optimum growth and yours setting were for minimum?
Example 7/ I don't know how this was done but in two nets that I know of if
the military purchasing is set to limited the amount of everything for sale
grows by about 1 million units per day beginning the first day.
Enough examples? I have seen all of these and more.
Catlin
When I said "bbs software", that also meant doors, etc... software for
bbs's. There are all kinds of cheats that can be done in door games
and it doesn't take a sysop dropping to dos to do it either.
Susej123
>When I said "bbs software", that also meant doors, etc... software for
>bbs's. There are all kinds of cheats that can be done in door games
>and it doesn't take a sysop dropping to dos to do it either.
If you don't mean "BBS software," then don't SAY "BBS software." If you mean
"software for BBSs," say THAT.
Please, give me an example of an "in game" cheat. The only one that I've ever
run into throughout the years is the "Computer Interrogation Mode" in
TradeWars, which was put there on purpose.
Amit Patel
Catlin <cat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
|
| If BBS software was better written, the "bad guys" wouldn't be able to
| cheat! :) Bottom line is, there is a need for BETTER bbs software
| and/or more beta testing.
|
Mehul and I fought BRE cheating a lot but there's just no way to catch
ALL of the cheats that can be done. The game's data and the game's
access to the network is under control of the sysop. If the sysop
really wants to edit that information, there's little we can do.
There _are_ some places that BRE tries to verify that the data *files*
were not tampered with, but there are still things you can do like
deleting the packet files before they get sent, or making a backup,
processing an incoming attack, and restoring the backup.
I think BRE could have had some more protection mechanisms built in,
such as encryption and duplicate packet detection. Mehul and I talked
about many possibilities for protecting the files, but it came down to
this: No matter how we protect the DATA FILES, the sysop still has
complete control over the machine's MEMORY. There are programs
available that let you cheat in games by altering the game's memory as
it runs. For example, you can go in, find the place in RAM that
stores the number of fighters you have, and change it to a million.
The program has no idea you did this. When it saves the data files,
it will store a million there, even if we had protected the data files
with encryption and hash signatures.
I had some ideas about how to protect against packet duplication and
deletion, but if implemented, they would have slowed the game down --
attacks that go through in days might take weeks, for example, because
there would have to be more back-and-forth communication between BBSes
to ensure the data wasn't tampered with. Even these techniques
wouldn't take care of the in-memory editing; they'd only reduce some
of the file tampering.
There's no way to stop ALL the cheating. It's just a question of how
much you want to prevent. The more sophisticated techniques require
more long distance phone traffic, more CPU power, and slower game
play. Implementing them would increase the likelihood of bugs, and
still wouldn't completely prevent cheating, so we implemented the
straightforward protection mechanisms and not the more complex ones. :(
- Amit Patel
Andrew
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ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄį On Sat, May. 09, 1998, ® said this: ®ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
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hey.. i have been trying to get in touch with you...
its nice that you try to make the game impossible to cheat in, but with one of
your methods it makes things worse.. expecially in interbbs leagues..
i would be talking about your time/date check..
i have been kicked outta the games more than once because my lan computers
times are not exactly the same.. also the fact that sometimes the time needs to
be reset, and they think that you are trying to cheat..
can you add something in there so that it sees if the game was played before it
wont let you play?
i am sorry to say, but that is a really annoying feature, but i think it could
become a good one if done right.
btw: i really enjoy these games.. i have been playing bre,sre,fe,fh,tal for a
while now.. they are great.. all i need to do is register fh and tal and i am
all set..
Andrew
Amit Patel
|
| its nice that you try to make the game impossible to cheat in, but with one of
| your methods it makes things worse.. expecially in interbbs leagues..
|
| i would be talking about your time/date check..
|
| i have been kicked outta the games more than once because my lan computers
| times are not exactly the same.. also the fact that sometimes the time needs to
| be reset, and they think that you are trying to cheat..
|
| can you add something in there so that it sees if the game was played before it
| wont let you play?
|
|
| i am sorry to say, but that is a really annoying feature, but i think it could
| become a good one if done right.
Hi there,
I've heard that BRE, FE, TAL, and a few other games were sold to
another BBS game company. Check out www.srgames.org for more details.
- Amit
Elizabeth
Yes, the SRGames now belong to John Dailey Software. Here's part of the
press release I received (from BBSNews see http://www.bbsdirect.com for
info). Hope it helps...
---------------------------
May 10, 1998
John Dailey Software acquires Solar Realms products:
Barren Realms Elite (BRE)
Falcon's Eye (FE)
Falcon's Honor (FH)
The Arcadia Legends (TAL)
Revised versions of each product featuring the author information are
currently being assembled and will be released as soon as possible.
Users who currently own valid registrations will retain their
registrations as indicated when they originally purchased the
software. No new registration codes will be required for the time
being, although future versions may implement new codes with no fees
involved.
All registration prices and policies remain the same aside from that
of the mass registration offer which is now: All four products for
$35.00. Users who have not yet registered may do so via postal mail,
or online the JDS website or support BBS using check, money order or
major credit cards Visa, Mastercard and American Express.
Download at www.johndaileysoftware.com, download from BBS at (407)
654-9705 or FREQ from 1:363/277 using the magic name "BRE," "FE,"
"FH," or "TAL."
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Amit Patel wrote in message <6jd7qt$rbt$1...@nntp.Stanford.EDU>...
Brett Frymire
I missed the original post to this.
The easiest, and best fix is to sync the time with the server everytime
someone enters the game. I do it with a net time \\server /set /yes
added to the batch file that runs the game. (I am not 100% certain of
the command line as I am not at my bbs right now, but you can look up
that command in the reference. The above is for MSN.)
Hope that helps!
-- brett
Amit Patel wrote:
>
> Andrew <godp...@value.net> wrote:
> | RE: Re: Bre,fe, exitilus cheats a
> |
> | hey.. i have been trying to get in touch with you...
> |
> | its nice that you try to make the game impossible to cheat in, but with one of
> | your methods it makes things worse.. expecially in interbbs leagues..
> |
> | i would be talking about your time/date check..
> |
> | i have been kicked outta the games more than once because my lan computers
> | times are not exactly the same.. also the fact that sometimes the time needs to
> | be reset, and they think that you are trying to cheat..
> |
> | can you add something in there so that it sees if the game was played before it
> | wont let you play?
> |
> |
> | i am sorry to say, but that is a really annoying feature, but i think it could
> | become a good one if done right.
>
> Hi there,
>
> I've heard that BRE, FE, TAL, and a few other games were sold to
> another BBS game company. Check out www.srgames.org for more details.
>
> - Amit