> Oh man
I spent the last part of the ep waiting for Baltar to wake up.
higgy.
> Oh man
Making it all a dream would be insanely stupid. I'd never watch again if
that turned out to be the case.
Exactly. Also, what would be the point of having this elaborate dream? It
wouldn't serve any purpose.
Except to bring Bobby Ewing back to the living? Oh sorry, wrong soap opera
:-)
Seriously folks, Ron has purportedly stated that this is all real and not
some sort of dream/hallucination of Baltar (although the guy is clearly nuts
and a narcissist).
- Andrew
>Oh man
Cogent, but short.
I've been waitign for the entire series for soemoen to put a round in
his head...
heh
-W
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I agree!! How those people could elect him president is beyond me!!
Of course, I guess we're no different than them. We elected an idiot named
Clinton . . . TWICE!!!
Anywho . . . . I wish he would just disappear . . . along with his
absolutely gorgeous, sexy, mega-fine Cylon babe!! At least the one in his
head.
MarMac
You also left out SEX MANIAC!!
MarMac
Then we elected that idiot named Bush TWICE !!!!
>> I agree!! How those people could elect him president is beyond me!!
>> Of course, I guess we're no different than them. We elected an idiot named
>> Clinton . . . TWICE!!!
>Then we elected that idiot named Bush TWICE !!!!
Bush is not an idiot. He is a highly educated man. He graduated from
Yale University and got his MBA from Harvard University.
In 20 years when the pundits sort out this period in our history, the
record will show that Bush made the right decisions given the
circumstances facing us and the options we had to deal with the
threats.
One thing is for certain - I feel a lot better with a strong military
presence in the Middle East now that Iran is about to get nukes.
--
"How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads
Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-communist?
It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."
--Ronald Reagan
And I would feel ten times better if both Iran and Iraq where carpet
bombed with nukular weapons.
The best Muslims are dead Muslims.
Bob Kolker
>And I would feel ten times better if both Iran and Iraq where carpet
>bombed with nukular weapons.
>The best Muslims are dead Muslims.
But nukuler oil is not good for the environment.
Underground oil is unlikely to be contaminated by nuclear explosion
above the ground.
Bob Kolker
>
>
Three times, really.
--
"My son is not a terrorist - he is a junior IT support officer."
>> But nukuler oil is not good for the environment.
>Underground oil is unlikely to be contaminated by nuclear explosion
>above the ground.
But the oil does us no good if it stays underground. It has to come to
the surface and that's when it will become contaminated.
Did you ever work around radioactive materials? I did. They are a real
pain to keep from contaminating everything. A minor spill can cost you
weeks in expensive decontamination procedures.
The last thing we need to do is turn the ME into a nukuler wasteland.
---
This is a true story from my days long ago as a scientist at a nuke
factory. I remember the time some co-workers borrowed some tools from
my lab and failed to return them. If anything can get you pissed off
is to reach for a tool and have it missing. So I grabbed a geiger
counter and put a very small amount of radioactive material in a
bottle which I put in my pocket. I went around to the other labs and
when I found my missing tools I put the geiger counter near the
radioactive material and it went nuts with clicks. I then informed the
culprits that if they continue to take tools out of my lab they would
not be able to have children.
The word spread and I never lost a tool again.
>> Then we elected that idiot named Bush TWICE !!!!
>Three times, really.
If either of those commies running against Bush had won we would be
well on our way to becoming like Britain.
Britain is so fucked up it is beyond description. Calling it a
clockwork orange is too rational.
>
>
> But the oil does us no good if it stays underground. It has to come to
> the surface and that's when it will become contaminated.
The level of fallout reduces very quickly. It is much overrated as a
hazard. Mostly it settles to ground or blows away. The chances of the
oil extracted after the fallout settles are very slim.
Not to worry. We import less than twenty five percent of our oil from
Saudi Arabia.
Bob Kolker
>> But the oil does us no good if it stays underground. It has to come to
>> the surface and that's when it will become contaminated.
>The level of fallout reduces very quickly.
The bastards would use dirty bombs to keep us from having the oil.
Having read what you've written and being English I think you'd make a great
US President - you certainly fit the descriptions given.
Lets see - the US holds individuals in custody without charge
oh what else, endorse torture,
consume the largest quantity of oil,
Produce the largest amount of polution,
Refuse to except global warming whilst they can plant trees in other
countries...the list could go on....
You're ignorance is astounding...
> Having read what you've written and being English I think you'd make a great US President - you certainly fit the descriptions
> given.
>
> Lets see - the US holds individuals in custody without charge
> oh what else, endorse torture,
> consume the largest quantity of oil,
> Produce the largest amount of polution,
> Refuse to except global warming whilst they can plant trees in other countries...the list could go on....
> You're ignorance is astounding...
Not one to defend Bob, BUT,
Every one of your points is either wrong, skewed, or ignores
per capita and per unit of GDP productivity.
Moreover, your poor grammar and spelling betrays a level of
ignorance FAR beyond what you've accused Bob of.
Your ignorance is astounding. (That's YOUR, not YOU'RE).
>Lets see - the US holds individuals in custody without charge
Illegal aliens are not citizens of the US and therefore are not
afforded the protections that US citizens have. If they did not want
to be held without charge then they should have stayed home.
But, whoops! They are being held on charges after all - they are being
held as illegal aliens.
>oh what else, endorse torture,
LOL.
The British Military openly practiced torture on IRA prisoners.
But if connecting a car battery to a terrorist's balls will result in
saving the life of just one US soldier, then all I can say is
Red is Positive!
Black is Negative!
>consume the largest quantity of oil,
So you limeys can enjoy the fruits of our industrial production,
because Britain has the worst productivity of all the industrialized
nations, right next to the third world.
>Produce the largest amount of polution,
China and India produce more than the US in terms of industrial
output.
>Refuse to except global warming
Global warming is a hoax.
>You're ignorance is astounding...
You're a stupid leftist queer.
>grammar, etc is incorrect - it's late and was written at a level where
>individuals such as Bob might understand.
Bob doesn't speak Third World English, moron.
> But if connecting a car battery to a terrorist's balls will result in
> saving the life of just one US soldier, then all I can say is
Was I talking about terrorists? I wasn't talking about IA's either.
> So you limeys can enjoy the fruits of our industrial production,
> because Britain has the worst productivity of all the industrialized
> nations, right next to the third world.
What, being obese? Enlighten me - what are you facts based on?
>The British Military openly practiced torture on IRA prisoners.
Who were funded by the US.
> China and India produce more than the US in terms of industrial
> output.
Thay makes it ok then?
> You're a stupid leftist queer.
Now thats just the stereotpycial attitude I'd expected from you Bob - If one
does not share your view then, well you said it....Bob, you'd better go and
rub some talc between the folds of your obese body....don't choke on your
8th burger of the morning....You're an idiot Bob.
'I' nice view....where Bob is just an uneducated fool your comments snipped
from the next post is.....
Sarcasm, half-wit.
nice....I see how your sarcasm slotted nicely into the post string.....too
much sun in carmal I guess.....idiot
>Now thats just the stereotpycial attitude I'd expected from you Bob - If one
>does not share your view then, well you said it....Bob, you'd better go and
>rub some talc between the folds of your obese body....don't choke on your
>8th burger of the morning....You're an idiot Bob.
<yawn>
At least I don't live in the Gay Capital of the World.
Now go bugger off, nanci boi.
> On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:18:18 -0000, "themillman" <nos...@spam.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Now thats just the stereotpycial attitude I'd expected from you Bob - If one
>>does not share your view then, well you said it....Bob, you'd better go and
>>rub some talc between the folds of your obese body....don't choke on your
>>8th burger of the morning....You're an idiot Bob.
>
>
> <yawn>
>
> At least I don't live in the Gay Capital of the World.
>
> Now go bugger off, nanci boi.
>
What is the gay capital of the world? It sure isn't Trenton NJ. It isn't
even Boston MA. My candidate for Gay Capital of the World is
Provincewoen MA at the tip of Cape Code which, if you look at it on a
map, looks just like a limp wrist. That has always amused me. One time I
actually had to go to Provincetown on software business and the glare
from the jeweled collars on the poodles being walked at mid-day nearly
blinded me.
Bob Kolker
>
>> At least I don't live in the Gay Capital of the World.
>> Now go bugger off, nanci boi.
>What is the gay capital of the world?
Britain.
Not planning for a post-war occupation of Iraq is probably by far the
worst mistake made by this administration. Not only is it costing
human lives today (as it has for three years!), it's helped destabilize
the region with no end in sight for at least 5-10 years. People can
argue back and forth about the reasons for the war now and in twenty
years' time, but I doubt that anyone will consider Iraq's current state
and immediate history a "good thing".
> One thing is for certain - I feel a lot better with a strong military
> presence in the Middle East now that Iran is about to get nukes.
What exactly do you expect the military presence to do, exactly? I
mean, if the Coalition hadn't invaded Iraq, we probably wouldn't have
ended up with Ahmedinijad as president of Iran.
Just killfile Boob and move on. He is incapable of intelligent, rational
thought, thus rendering any discussion irrelevant.
Look up "material witness" on Google. It was designed to be used to
hold witness A if he was going to testify at defendant B's trial (and
was considered a flight risk). Instead, it's now used to hold A in
jail indefinitely (weeks, months -- as long as the prosecutors can get
away with, essentially) until they develop a case against A. People
held as material witnesses are not given Miranda warnings and do not
always have prompt access to lawyers.
Whether or not the person held as a material witness is a citizen or
not is irrelevant.
Nope, it's no dream. You really are 40 and still living in your
parents' basement.
>> In 20 years when the pundits sort out this period in our history, the
>> record will show that Bush made the right decisions given the
>> circumstances facing us and the options we had to deal with the
>> threats.
>Not planning for a post-war occupation of Iraq is probably by far the
>worst mistake made by this administration. Not only is it costing
>human lives today (as it has for three years!), it's helped destabilize
>the region with no end in sight for at least 5-10 years. People can
>argue back and forth about the reasons for the war now and in twenty
>years' time, but I doubt that anyone will consider Iraq's current state
>and immediate history a "good thing".
A mind is a terrible thing to waste, so why are you letting the pinko
commie media brainwash you with this pure bullcrap.
The main purpose of the Iraq invasion was to establish a strong
military presence in the Middle East.
Mission accomplished.
>> One thing is for certain - I feel a lot better with a strong military
>> presence in the Middle East now that Iran is about to get nukes.
>What exactly do you expect the military presence to do, exactly? I
>mean, if the Coalition hadn't invaded Iraq, we probably wouldn't have
>ended up with Ahmedinijad as president of Iran.
You are living proof that Reagan was right in his assessment of
liberals (see sig below).
--
"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant:
It's just that they know so much that isn't so."
--Ronald Reagan
>Just killfile Boob and move on. He is incapable of intelligent, rational
>thought, thus rendering any discussion irrelevant.
Would you just killfile me and be done with it.
No one is interested in your leftist queer bullshit.
Indeed. If the person is an illegal, then the US govt does not have to
treat him like a citizen. The fact that he may be a material witness
is irrelevant.
I'd think it'd be Disnaeyland, since it *IS* supposed to be the
"Happiest Place on Earth".
Michael
I thought Tijuana was the Happiest Place on Earth, as did Crusty.
--
Qapla'
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty (Spectre of the Gun)
1,079,252,848.8 km/h, not just a good idea, it's the law.
"So say we all!"
Uh...excuse me? America had a strong presence in Qatar before the war
-- lots of land, airbases, the works. The Qataris didn't hate
Americans, they were (still are, I guess) pro-American. Why give up a
good thing, wound and kill your own soldiers, deplete your morale, all
for Iraq? To get what you already had?
I'm not talking about illegal immigrants, I'm talking about native,
WASPy Americans. What I described is not a theoretical legal case,
it's what's happening today.
>> Mission accomplished.
Strong is the operative word - like a couple hundred thousand troops.
Well, they'd have to be used pretty soon, because the numbers are
already going down -- currently at 133,000 (down from 138,000) -- with
more leaving as the new Iraqi military grows stronger.
You do realize that if Iran's attacked, the newly armed Iraqi forces
won't exactly help the Coalition, don't you?
That is why we should have nuked Iraq, rather than occupy it.
Bob Kolker
>
> One thing is for certain - I feel a lot better with a strong military
> presence in the Middle East now that Iran is about to get nukes.
Yup, a large portion of our armed forces, and our most blooded, are
right where anyone in the middle east can hit them with nukes from close
range and somewhat massed rather than having to get their weaponry
across the small pond first or hit small targets.
Real great place to be.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if someone over there has already
thought of that. Although using nukes against US military forces would
be a really damned dumb idea, so would us responding likewise.
A
I gather there's still a couple tens of thousands of jews living in
Iran yet.
A
Chisholm, MN, redneck lesbians. Not a bad bunch of folk, either.
A
>
> Yup, a large portion of our armed forces, and our most blooded, are
> right where anyone in the middle east can hit them with nukes from close
> range and somewhat massed rather than having to get their weaponry
> across the small pond first or hit small targets.
>
> Real great place to be.
>
> It wouldn't surprise me at all if someone over there has already
> thought of that. Although using nukes against US military forces would
> be a really damned dumb idea, so would us responding likewise.
After 9/11 we should have persued a nukes first zero tolerance policy
wrt to Moslems. Anyone who sends in a man to do what a machine can do
much better is both stupid and criminal. Kill them all and let Allah
sweep up the ashes.
Bob Kolker
>
>
> I gather there's still a couple tens of thousands of jews living in
> Iran yet.
Actually not. In any case collateral damage is one of the infellicities
of modern war. If we go nuke in the middle east, Israel will die of
radioactive fallout. That is the way it goes. Shit happens and it mostly
flows downhill.
Bob Kolker
>>>
>
> Chisholm, MN, redneck lesbians. Not a bad bunch of folk, either.
Just don't try to make out with them if you are a male.
I have found out by personal experience that lesbians are less obnoxious
(as people) than flaming male homosexuals. When you do business in the
real world you meet up with all kinds of people. And if you want to sell
your wares, you bite your lip and keep your personal reactions private.
Bob Kolker
TJ's marketing isn't as good.
Michael
>> I thought Tijuana was the Happiest Place on Earth, as did Crusty.
>TJ's marketing isn't as good.
TJ is just great if you like to fuck donkeys.
But, whoops! They are being held on charges after all - they are being
held as illegal aliens. "
Some of the people being held are American Citizens. Few are illegal
aliens as they were captured in a foreign country and brought here
(Cuba, at least) by the US military. Few have charges against them.
The US constitution makes no mention of its clauses applying only to US
citizens - the oft repeated phrase is "No person." It applies to all
actions by the US government. The fact that this is often contradicted
by government actions only means the government is breaking the law.
"But if connecting a car battery to a terrorist's balls will result in
saving the life of just one US soldier, then all I can say is
Red is Positive!
Black is Negative! "
Extensive evidence shows that torture does not work. Overall, it does
not get information and it does not save lives. The animosity it
creates can lead to more deaths of US personnel overseas and makes it
more acceptable for US forces to be tortured (if we torture them, why
can't they torture us?). If as a last resort - bomb in a city -
torture must be used due to a lack of other, better ideas, the
interrogaters can try to find the information they need to save lives,
but knowing that what they are doing is illegal and they will still be
prosecuted.
"Global warming is a hoax. "
Come to Texas on an August day. Massive statistical and scientific
research supports the common sense notion that "You know, I don't think
it used to get to 117 in September here." Global warming is very, very
much real.
> On , Michael <jan...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>I thought Tijuana was the Happiest Place on Earth, as did Crusty.
>
>
>>TJ's marketing isn't as good.
>
>
> TJ is just great if you like to fuck donkeys.
Or just watch it.
At least that's what I hear.
Michael
Bob, you've gone too far and given the game away! You're really George W.
Bush, and "Bob" is just your non de plume.
It all makes sense now......
Cheers,
Johnboy
Bob, I know you consider your opinion to be that of a hard-nosed realist,
but all it really does is display an almost touching niavety. You seem to
believe that the only implications of your action are those that you
yourself are willing to entertain. You believe the only outcomes of your
actions are those that you wish to occur. In short, you believe that such
a plan would work exactly as you wish it to, and that no other
complications will arise. You display, in fact, the dictionary definition
of wishfull thinking.
You wish to nuke every muslim country, wether they are fundamentalist,
secular, reactionary, progressive, democratic, despotic, or whatever. Let
Allah sort them out later. That's a lot of countries, in a lot of places
all over the world. About, what, 20-25% percent of the world's population?
And you think that everyone will then just sit back and say... well, what
would they say? "oh well, I'm sure President Bob had his reasons..." and
then turn back to the TV?
Just one example of an unintended consequence: a very, very significant
proportion of the US population would be convinced that the President is a
mass-murdering war criminal, and will want him treated as such. So the US
government would either have to immediately arrest the architect of it's own
policies, or it would have to transform itself into a repressive police
state to maintain even a veneer of order.
Either way, you would have a massive increase in the amount of terrorist
activity in the USA, and not one of those terrorists would need to be
Moslem - just disaffected citizens from every religion and all walks of life
determined to bring the architect of these atrocities to account.
Another example: Before you launched your nukes you'd have to tell Russia
and China, lest they panic and think the missiles are heading their way.
What if they turn around and say, basically, "Holy shit, man, you are crazy?
There is no way we can stand back and let you do that. Launch your nukes at
the Moslems and we'll launch our nukes at you". What do you do then? Still
launch? Your shoulder-shrugging dismissal of "collateral damage" might be a
bit harder to maintain if that collateral damage includes 10's of millions
of American men, women and children.
Think a bit more with your head, Bob, and not with your nuke-'em-all
hard-on.
Cheers,
Johnboy
Actually I expect us to bleed some. But the point is: we would prevail.
The last one standing is the winner.
>
> You wish to nuke every muslim country, wether they are fundamentalist,
> secular, reactionary, progressive, democratic, despotic, or whatever. Let
> Allah sort them out later. That's a lot of countries, in a lot of places
> all over the world. About, what, 20-25% percent of the world's population?
Just about. About 1.2 billion.
I think of the words to the Lord High Excutioner's Song from -The Mikado-
If someday it should happen that a victim must be found
I have a little list, I have a little list
Of society offenders who are best off undergound
And never will be misse, no never will be missed.
I have a little list, you see.
>
> And you think that everyone will then just sit back and say... well, what
> would they say? "oh well, I'm sure President Bob had his reasons..." and
> then turn back to the TV?
And who is going to stop us. Britian. No. France. I laugh. Russia -- No.
They will take up the tune and solve their Moslem Problem. China - No.
They need us. We owe them too much money. So who is going to stop us.
Who has nukes they can deliver in sufficient number to the U.S.. If any
one tries to interfer we will kill them. Easy Peasy.
>
> Just one example of an unintended consequence: a very, very significant
> proportion of the US population would be convinced that the President is a
> mass-murdering war criminal,
Not if there is an attack with WMDs that can be pinned on Moslems. The
country will be screaming for their hides. Look what happened when the
Japs bombed Pearl Harbor. We locked up innocent Jap-Americans and we
nuked two Japanese cities.
We have to wait for
1. The Moslems to attack us with a WMD
2. The U.S. to fake such an attack and convince the people.
How long do you think it will be?
Bob Kolker
And what, exactly, do you think they would be standing in?
>>
>> And you think that everyone will then just sit back and say... well,
>> what would they say? "oh well, I'm sure President Bob had his
>> reasons..." and then turn back to the TV?
>
> And who is going to stop us. Britian. No. France. I laugh. Russia -- No.
> They will take up the tune and solve their Moslem Problem. China - No.
> They need us. We owe them too much money. So who is going to stop us. Who
> has nukes they can deliver in sufficient number to the U.S.. If any one
> tries to interfer we will kill them. Easy Peasy.
>
No, you miss my point. You just aren't thinking this through, are you?
I am thinking about the reaction of your own citizens *after* the missles go
BANG. A point that you do not ever seem to consider.
I assume you think that everyone in the USA thinks the way you do, and
would applaud these actions.
But what if you are wrong?
What if the majority of USA citizens believe this is the act of a completely
loopy mass-murdering war criminal, and attempts are made to overthrow the
government as soon as possible? Blood in the streets? Complete breakdown
of law and order? Retaliatory repression against the little guys running
around the streets with guns from the People With Big Guns?
Think about these possibilities, and it may be that your Nirvana of
Nuke-em-First is not quite as heavenly as you believe.
>
>
>>
>> Just one example of an unintended consequence: a very, very significant
>> proportion of the US population would be convinced that the President is
>> a mass-murdering war criminal,
>
> Not if there is an attack with WMDs that can be pinned on Moslems. The
> country will be screaming for their hides. Look what happened when the
> Japs bombed Pearl Harbor. We locked up innocent Jap-Americans and we nuked
> two Japanese cities.
>
Well, there is a little problem of the distinction between Mulsim terrorists
and Mulsim countries.
Pearl Harbor was an attack by one country against another. So the result
was war, and a war that was almost fought to the death. But it was one
country against another. That's how it started, and that's how it ended.
But a terrorist attack is an attack *by* terrorists, not by a country. So,
yes, your country will be screaming for their hides. But *whose* hides,
exactly?
You are claiming that an attack by *terrorists* justifies a retaliatory
attack on a *country*. Justified, yes, if you can show the country
sponsored the terrorist.
But you are claiming that an attack by Muslim terrorists will lead to an
overwhelming demand for the extinction of Muslims, to be achieved by the
annhilation of all Muslim countries. I think you are wrong.
An attack on a US city with a crude nuclear bomb by muslim terrorists
trained in, equipped by, and financed and assisted by the agents of, say,
Syria? Then Syria would be a pool of bubbling glass before a month was out.
Sure, that would happen.
Would politicians then stand up and say the US should nuke all the rest of
those pesky Muslim countries as well, you know, just in case? A few,
probably.
Would everyone clammer for that to happen? No, just you and the other Bob,
and a few of your friends.
> We have to wait for
>
> 1. The Moslems to attack us with a WMD
>
They did. Something that can take out 3,000 civilians in two swift blows is
by definition a WMD.
> 2. The U.S. to fake such an attack and convince the people.
>
Convince them of what? That there are terrorists? Yeah, sure, easily doable.
That Muslim Country XYZ was behind it? Yes again. Done already. They
managed to finger two country after 9/11 - Afghanistan (correctly) and Iraq
(incorrectly).
And it has been done before - The Gulf of Tonkin incident was (I believe,
anyone care to dispute?) a fabrication that allowed the USA to go into
Vietnam. The Bay of Pigs was another example that went badly wrong.
So, yes, I agree, you can fake an incident to allow you to attack a country.
Maybe even a couple, if you can spin the truth hard enough.
But a fake that is good enough to justify genocide against 20% of the
world's population? That pig is never going to fly.
> How long do you think it will be?
>
Which "it" are we talking about?
Cheers,
Johnboy
> Bob Kolker
>
.
> 1. The Moslems to attack us with a WMD
>
> 2. The U.S. to fake such an attack and convince the people.
>
> How long do you think it will be?
>
> Bob Kolker
it is sickening to see you repeat this everywhere.
if you were right, this would still and above all be the wrong place
to babble about it.
you are operating with cartoon concepts
WMD = a nuke or a radiological dirty bomb or chemical or gas or
biological weapon. Knocking a building down is not a WMD attack although
the WTC attack was horrendous.
> Convince them of what? That there are terrorists? Yeah, sure, easily doable.
>
> That Muslim Country XYZ was behind it? Yes again. Done already. They
> managed to finger two country after 9/11 - Afghanistan (correctly) and Iraq
> (incorrectly).
Forget countries. Islam is the enemy. The entire religion is the enemy.
Its adherents are the enemy. After a WMD attack by Moslems, convincing
the public will be a slam dunk. The public will -demand- we kill Moslems
on a grand scale. I am -counting on- the essential racism and nastiness
of the American public. If the thing happens quickly enough there will
be few or no second thoughts. Ethnocide will enter an entirely new
realm. It will make the Holocaust look like a Sunday School picnic. I
can hardly wait. Speedily and in my day. Imagine. A world without Islam.
The thought is breathtaking.
Bob Kolker
> But you are claiming that an attack by Muslim terrorists will lead to an
> overwhelming demand for the extinction of Muslims, to be achieved by the
> annhilation of all Muslim countries. I think you are wrong.
Just another day at the office for Robert "Torah! Torah! Torah!" Kolker.
Deal with it or killfile him, because on this point he won't see sense or
reason.
--
"My son is not a terrorist - he is a junior IT support officer."
>
>
> it is sickening to see you repeat this everywhere.
It is an idea whose time has come. Just wait.
Your comment reminds me of what some people in Lexington Mass said when
Paul Revere road through town:
"Revere! Do you know what time it is? Shut up and let us sleep!"
Bob Kolker
A WMD is what the proponents of invading another country choose to claim it
to be, nothing more, and nothing less.
It has no proper definition, although various snake-oil selling politicians
might claim otherwise. It's an acronym for a made-up slogan, with as much
credence as any slogan used to sell flash cars, or hair spray, or a Real
Man's Drink.
A chemical or gas attack in downtown NY is not going to kill any more people
that two jet planes slamming into the WTC. The level of mass destruction is
going to be smaller, so why is one a WMD and the other is not?
>> Convince them of what? That there are terrorists? Yeah, sure, easily
>> doable.
>>
>> That Muslim Country XYZ was behind it? Yes again. Done already. They
>> managed to finger two country after 9/11 - Afghanistan (correctly) and
>> Iraq (incorrectly).
>
> Forget countries.
Why Bob? Because you say so? Because they are not convenient in your
world-view?
> Islam is the enemy.
No, it isn't. Extremists of any description are the enemy. There are a
number of Mulsim countries where Islam is the religion of the majority.
Many of those countries are *not* hostile to the USA. A number are allies
of the USA.
The vast majority of all of the mulsims in the world are not a danger to the
USA, because they have no interest in taking up arms against Americans.
They just want to get on with their lives.
Sure, many Islamic extremists want to take on the decadent west, which
means taking on the USA. But they are not unique. The first federal
building blown sky-high in your country was not attacked by Islam militants,
was it?
The entire religion is the enemy.
> Its adherents are the enemy. After a WMD attack by Moslems, convincing the
> public will be a slam dunk. The public will -demand- we kill Moslems on a
> grand scale. I am -counting on- the essential racism and nastiness of the
> American public.
Then you are niave, or delusional. About as sane as Charles Manson, who
thought exactly the same as you do about the underlying nastiness of the
American public. Funnily enough, no-one rose in a blood-thirst when he
tried to instigate a color war. They just demanded that he be locked away
for everyone's safety.
You would be quite wrong and, I imagine, rather stunned by the lack of
support if you advocated this in public - before, during, or after any
attack on US soil by terrorists wielding WMDs.
Give them a picture of the man who ordered such an attack and, yes, they'd
want him drawn and quartered. Point to a country and say "they paid the guy
to do this" and, yes, the American peoplpe would demand that this country be
invaded and the leaders dealt with.
But stand up and say "the people who did this were Muslims, so let's kill
every Muslim on the planet" and the American people would call you a right
proper dick, and demand that you be put away.
If the thing happens quickly enough there will
> be few or no second thoughts. Ethnocide will enter an entirely new realm.
> It will make the Holocaust look like a Sunday School picnic. I can hardly
> wait. Speedily and in my day. Imagine. A world without Islam. The thought
> is breathtaking.
>
The thought is ludicrous. I hate to burst your bubble, but Islam is a
faith, not a race. If you waved your magic nuclear-tipped wand today and
killed every single muslim, do you think that is the end of it?
I would think that a vast number of people would react with revulsion, and
a not-insignificant number of those would adopt the religion of the prophet
because, frankly, they would be repulsed by the alternative - a Christian
God whose religion has been so debased that it can allow genocide to happen
on the scale that you find so appealing.
You know, the Romans tried to exterminate a religion, way back when. There
was no-one to stand up for those people - they were all marked down as
lion-food, and the Empire's behavior could not be restrained by outside
forces. Yet try as they might (and they were mighty) the Romans failed. To
the extent that that religion ended up *being* the ruling religion of the
Empire.
Something to think about, really.
Cheers,
Johnboy
> Bob Kolker
>
>Extensive evidence shows that torture does not work.
Bullshit. If it didn't work, then govts would not use it.
>"Global warming is a hoax. "
>Come to Texas on an August day. Massive statistical and scientific
>research supports the common sense notion that "You know, I don't think
>it used to get to 117 in September here." Global warming is very, very
>much real.
Bullshit. The trend over the past 100 years has been cooling.
>"Bob" <sp...@uce.gov> wrote in message
>> One thing is for certain - I feel a lot better with a strong military
>> presence in the Middle East now that Iran is about to get nukes.
>Bob, you've gone too far and given the game away! You're really George W.
>Bush, and "Bob" is just your non de plume.
>It all makes sense now......
I am a Texas Conservative. GW Bush is a Texas Conservative.
>And who is going to stop us. Britian. No. France. I laugh. Russia -- No.
According to the most respected interpretations of Prophesy, there
will be a showdown on this matter called the War of Gog and Magog,
comprised of the New Roman Empire (10-nation WEU) vs Russia and
Radical Islam. The latter will lose the war and Russia will fade into
obscurity. Presumably so will Radical Islam.
>Your comment reminds me of what some people in Lexington Mass said when
>Paul Revere road through town:
>"Revere! Do you know what time it is? Shut up and let us sleep!"
Nothing happened that night so everyone went to bed. They were
supposed to meet again the following day. Most did not show up.
>
>
> Bullshit. The trend over the past 100 years has been cooling.
Really????
Take a look at this:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/
There is good evidence that ocean temperatures have been on the rise for
a long time. The increase in the length of the hurricane season and the
increase in the occurence of category 4, 5 hurricanes reflect this
increase, since it is water temperature that drives the hurricanes. With
the oceans getting warmer, the latent heat output from the evaporation
of the water leads to large and more severe hurricanes.
There is also a lot of glacier melting. The Iceland Glacier is melting
rather rapidly and large hunks of the Antarctic Glacier have brooken
off. Last year a piece of glacier the size of Rhode Island broke away.
That indicates some melting is going on.
No doubt the EcoPhreaks will attribute this to the Evil Capitalsts. But
there are other possible causes. Changes in the earths tilt (even small
ones) can cause temperature variations and changes in the sun's output
can do this also. There is a general trend for the sun to become hotter
as it uses up its hydrogen. In about one billion years the sun will be
hot enough to evaporate the oceans. I am not going to worry about that
one. The EcoPhreaks will probably blame the Evil Capitalists for that too.
Bob Kolker
>
>
> I am a Texas Conservative. GW Bush is a Texas Conservative.
A conservative who likes government programs. Yup.
The only government programs I want to see is weapons building and
nation wrecking (other nations of course). The private economy should be
able to handle our domestic needs.
Bob Kolker
>
>
> According to the most respected interpretations of Prophesy, there
> will be a showdown on this matter called the War of Gog and Magog,
> comprised of the New Roman Empire (10-nation WEU) vs Russia and
> Radical Islam. The latter will lose the war and Russia will fade into
> obscurity. Presumably so will Radical Islam.
That is Revelations Bullshit and shame on you! A physicist taken this
SHIT seriously. Wash your brains out with soap you naughty man.
John of Patmos was a faggot and ate strange mushrooms for dinner.
Bob Kolker
>
>
This is exactly and *solely* why there hasn't been a peep out of them since
9/11. Last week, in a test, 21 out of 21 bomb kits got onto our planes.
Any group that wanted to repeat 9/11 can do so any day of the week.
No mideast nation will allow any attacks under any circumstances by their
own or by any agents, under penalty of annihilation. Why? Because,
happily, Bush is nuts. He only managed to get attacking the right nation
one for two.
The Muslim nations themselves are our protectors now. That's why stuff like
the "patriot" act are not *just* ineffectual, liberty-destroying,
full-employment programs for losers.
>> I am a Texas Conservative. GW Bush is a Texas Conservative.
>A conservative who likes government programs. Yup.
Name the govt programs and why you think they are not good.
>The only government programs I want to see is weapons building and
>nation wrecking (other nations of course). The private economy should be
>able to handle our domestic needs.
How about protecting the essential rights of individuals? Is that not
the primary justification for govt?
"Robert J. Kolker" <now...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:48noigF...@individual.net...> Really????
>
> Take a look at this:
>
> http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/
The whole issue is annoyingly stupid. You need three things before you take
*any* action, never mind mass action such as the Kyoto nonsense:
1. Prove there's warming.
2. Prove the causation
3. If 1 and 2 are proved, prove the results would be bad or even Not Good.
The actual state of the controversy is that (1) is still under legitimate
consideration. Not a shred of true scientific evidence exists as to (2) and
(3). It's total voodoo. It's religion, and an unusually dangerous one.
>> According to the most respected interpretations of Prophesy, there
>> will be a showdown on this matter called the War of Gog and Magog,
>> comprised of the New Roman Empire (10-nation WEU) vs Russia and
>> Radical Islam. The latter will lose the war and Russia will fade into
>> obscurity. Presumably so will Radical Islam.
>That is Revelations Bullshit and shame on you! A physicist taken this
>SHIT seriously.
It may be Revelation Bullshit but if it is believed by a significant
number of people, it takes on a life of its own. Therefore it is
prudent to watch it closely.
It all starts in modern times with the last "week", which is
interpreted as 70 Biblical years or 69 Calendar years (a Biblical year
is 360 days). The event that starts the final last "week" countdown to
Armegeddon is the formation of the State of Israel in 1948. That puts
Armegeddon in year 2017 or thereabouts.
Prior to that event, there is the 7 year Tribulation period,
consisting in 3 1/2 years of peace followed by 3 1/2 years of the
worst tyrany ever experienced by mankind. The architect of the
Tribulation is the AntiChrist, who assumes global dictatorial powers
at the beginning of the Tribulation. He moves into the newly rebuilt
Hebrew Temple and exposes the world to the abomination of desolation.
Prior to that there is the War of Gog and Magog in which the New Roman
Empire (10-nation WEU) defeats the combined forces of Russia and
Radical Islam (Iran and others). That is expected sometime around
2008, a few years before the AntiChrist emerges and begins the
Tribulation.
The AntiChrist emerges from the victory of the War of Gog and Magog.
He is the victorious leader who is now looked upon as the only person
who can maintain world peace. That person is Tony Blair, the only
leader in the WEU who has all the necessary credentials to assume
leadership and emerge victorious. For one thing he is the only WEU
leader who can call upon the US to support his policies including
supporting his war efforts.
We have a couple more years before the shit starts hitting the fan.
The events transpiring right now are leading up to such a
confrontation as the War of Gog and Magog.
I am not saying I believe Prophesy. What I am saying is that a lot of
people in the world do believe it and are acting in accordance with
its predictions.
For those who may be interested in a concise book that details the
timeline:
Armageddon : Appointment with Destiny
by Grant R. Jeffrey
Paperback: 320 pages
Publisher: WaterBrook Press;
Revised edition (January 7, 1997)
ISBN: 0921714408
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"Robert J. Kolker" <now...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:48np18F...@individual.net...
> That is Revelations Bullshit and shame on you! A physicist taken this SHIT
> seriously. Wash your brains out with soap you naughty man.
Totally. I thought he was discussing ANDROMEDA, except ANDROMEDA makes more
sense.
>Bullshit. If it didn't work, then govts would not use it.
>>"Global warming is a hoax. "
>>Come to Texas on an August day. Massive statistical and scientific
>>research supports the common sense notion that "You know, I don't think
>>it used to get to 117 in September here." Global warming is very, very
>>much real.
>Bullshit. The trend over the past 100 years has been cooling.
Torture is used more by govts to inspire fear than collect useful
intelligence. Also, if govts were doing it to collect intel, they
wouldn't necessarily be right. They could just be stupid or just plain
old wrong. Same reasoning as "if snorting cocaine was bad for you,
people wouldn't do it."
Um... the trend over the past 100 years has not been cooling. That is
just not true. I think someone else posted a link to a graph. So
unless you're like one of those monkey's on the commercial during the
Super Bowl who had the graph upside down, the trend is increasing
temperatures. I think I read somewhere that global warming is uneven-
some places cool a little, most others rise a whole lot. I don't know
if this was correct or even if I'm just imagining it. Anyways, its
moot, because you would still be wrong. Overall, temperatures have
gone up.
That read like the Silmarillion.
A
>Ethnocide will enter an entirely new
>realm. It will make the Holocaust look like a Sunday School picnic. I
>can hardly wait. Speedily and in my day. Imagine. A world without Islam.
>The thought is breathtaking.
I'll be waiting in the background in my Guy Fawkes mask when
that day comes.
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for I have already survived Theta-G!
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>I am a Texas Conservative. GW Bush is a Texas Conservative.
Say, Bob, where you ever on the Delphi internet service years ago? I
was describing your posts to a friend of mine and he said you sound
awfully familiar to him.
> On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 14:44:29 GMT, sp...@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:
>
> >I am a Texas Conservative. GW Bush is a Texas Conservative.
>
> Say, Bob, where you ever on the Delphi internet service years ago? I
> was describing your posts to a friend of mine and he said you sound
> awfully familiar to him.
Not Bob here, and neither a Texan nor a Conservative except in certain
specific ways, but I was. Actually to a small degree I still am, although,
of course, it is a VERY changed service. And, since Delphi pre-dated the
Internet, I guess it was more likely called an online service.
--
Donna B 8^> shallotpeel <*> Yahoo Messenger: shallotpeel
"All a man can betray is his conscience." - Joseph Conrad, UNDER WESTERN
EYES
Delphi was created in March 1983, although the company that created it
(Kussmaul) had existed for a year or so at that point.
The Internet went through numerous significant development phases in its
early life, the *latest* of which was when NSFNet went live in Jan 1983,
two months before Delphi was created (although ARPANET had existed for
14 years by then).
> Your comment reminds me of what some people in Lexington Mass said when
> Paul Revere road through town:
>
>
> "Revere! Do you know what time it is? Shut up and let us sleep!"
>
> Bob Kolker
I will look up who this Revere is to see what you mean.
the point, however, was not in the timing of your idea. you can talk
like that at home, with your friends. you might also drop the hint now
and then here on the net to see if you catch a friend.
but you are standing at the street corner and hollering at passers-by.
recently I have not been reading much kolkeriana, but jeeeee! how this
reflects back on even the best things you wrote.
> There is also a lot of glacier melting. The Iceland Glacier is melting
> rather rapidly and large hunks of the Antarctic Glacier have brooken
> off.
Where in the world is "The Iceland Glacier" ?
> A chemical or gas attack in downtown NY is not going to kill any more
> people that two jet planes slamming into the WTC. The level of mass
> destruction is going to be smaller, so why is one a WMD and the other is
> not?
Because gas attacks, nukes etc. are scaleable. As was shown by the plane
forced to crash by the passengers on 9/11, there's a finite and small limit
to the number of 747s you can ram into buildings. Given enough
manufacturing capacity, you could gas half of America's cities.
>>I am a Texas Conservative. GW Bush is a Texas Conservative.
>Say, Bob, where you ever on the Delphi internet service years ago? I
>was describing your posts to a friend of mine and he said you sound
>awfully familiar to him.
Nope.
>The Internet went through numerous significant development phases in its
>early life, the *latest* of which was when NSFNet went live in Jan 1983,
>two months before Delphi was created (although ARPANET had existed for
>14 years by then).
Then in May/June of 1995, the NSF sold the Internet to a private
consortium of interested parties called CIX, where is has remained
ever since.
Make that Greenland.
By the way, the Vikings who found iceland to be a nice place to live
named it so. Greenland on the other hand has pisspoor so they named it
greenland.
Bob Kolker
>
>On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:39:28 -0500, "Robert J. Kolker"
><now...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>And I would feel ten times better if both Iran and Iraq where carpet
>>bombed with nukular weapons.
>
>>The best Muslims are dead Muslims.
>
>But nukuler oil is not good for the environment.
E85. If cars only needed 15% of the gasoline they need now, we could basically tell the
Arab Muslims to go pound sand (they do have enough of it!). Then we'll see how the
Arab Muslims like dealing with the Chinese.
-Stephen
--
Space Age Cybernomad Stephen Adams
malchu...@AMgmail.com (remove SPAM to reply)
>
> That read like the Silmarillion.
Actually the Silmarillion is better written than either the Hebrew
Scriptures or the (so-called) New Testament. Eru Illuvatar is much less
of a prick than either Yaweh or The Father. And what can you say of the
Holy Ghost? Getting it on with Jewish poontang.
Bob Kolker
>Given enough
>manufacturing capacity, you could gas half of America's cities.
As long as they are in blue states, I'm all for it. When do we start?
That is what I thought, there are glaciers in Iceland but none of them
is called "the Iceland glacier" and they are way too small to make any
difference on the level of the world´s oceans. The glaciers on
Greenland would, however.
> By the way, the Vikings who found iceland to be a nice place to live
> named it so. Greenland on the other hand has pisspoor so they named it
> greenland.
Greenland was a lot better farmland when it was settled than it is now
but the area that is green is bigger than the whole of Iceland,
Greenland is just so big that the green part is only a relatively small
part of the total
Hmmm, interesting. Can you provide a source that says that scaleability is a
necessary part of the definition of a WMD?
Or is the definition flexible enough so that it means exactly what an author
needs it to mean, no more and no less.
Cheers,
Johnboy
No, but it fits the bill. WMDs are manufactured with the intent to kill
lots of people at one go. Planes are not, no matter how you use them.
> It is an idea whose time has come. Just wait.
>
> Your comment reminds me of what some people in Lexington Mass said when
> Paul Revere road through town:
>
I see. I ought to have looked him up before answering.
yet, anyway, your line of "an idea whose time has come" stinks
(literally) to the high heavens. it is so wretched that again I
thought you are using yourself as a vaccine.
just too bad.
>On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 01:17:08 -0500, Neil Nadelman
><ar...@navzr-genafyngbe.pbz (ROT13)> wrote:
>
>>>I am a Texas Conservative. GW Bush is a Texas Conservative.
>
>>Say, Bob, where you ever on the Delphi internet service years ago? I
>>was describing your posts to a friend of mine and he said you sound
>>awfully familiar to him.
>
>Nope.
Okay. Thanks.
It probably finished melting while he was posting. That's just how fast
it was going.
G
>
>
> It probably finished melting while he was posting. That's just how fast
> it was going.
Mistype. I meant the Greenland Glacier, which IS melting and melting fast.
For example see:
http://www.innovations-report.com/html/reports/earth_sciences/report-57140.html
The ocean temperatures are on the increase for whatever reason. The
ecophreaks blame it on the Evil Capitalists but it could have other causes.
Bob Kolker
> The ocean temperatures are on the increase for whatever reason. The
> ecophreaks blame it on the Evil Capitalists but it could have other
> causes.
My guess is that will end up, somehow, being caused by the ecofreaks...