I can't tune my 5 strings banjo with a tuner
Fernando Reyes (kely)
The spanish novice attacks again!!! ·{|:o)))))) When I use an electronic tuner to tune my 5 string banjo the first string brokes, so I must tune using my ear and lower than the correct tone. What must I adjust to solve this problem? I use "Pyramid" strings, I don't know if are or not good strings, but they are the only ones that I can buy in Madrid(Spain, Europe).
TIA
Best regards
Fernando Reyes
fire-me...@fire-me.teleline.es
Ken Blake
<te.quedas.s...@spamero.asqueroso.com> wrote:
> Hi folks:
>
> The spanish novice attacks again!!! 暍|:o)))))) When I use an
> electronic tuner to tune my 5 string banjo the first string
> brokes, so I must tune using my ear and lower than the correct
> tone. What must I adjust to solve this problem?
What pitch were you tring to tune it to? Forgive me if you
already know this, but the first string is normally tuned to D,
not E as a guitar is.
--
Ken Blake
Please reply to the newsgroup
Fernando Reyes (kely)
"Ken Blake" <kbl...@this.is.an.invalid.domain.com> escribió en el mensaje news:uhmujsc...@corp.supernews.com...
> What pitch were you tring to tune it to? Forgive me if you
> already know this, but the first string is normally tuned to D,
> not E as a guitar is.
>
> --
> Ken Blake
> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
>
Ken Blake
<te.quedas.s...@spamero.asqueroso.com> wrote:
> "Ken Blake" <kbl...@this.is.an.invalid.domain.com> escribió en
> el mensaje news:uhmujsc...@corp.supernews.com...
>> What pitch were you tring to tune it to? Forgive me if you
>> already know this, but the first string is normally tuned to
>> D, not E as a guitar is.
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake
>> Please reply to the newsgroup
>>
>>
> Thanks for your answer, Ken. From 1 to 5: D, B, G, D, G; an
> open G.
Yes, that's standard G tuning, probably the most common of the
many tunings the 5-string banjo is played in. Why you broke the
first D string at that pitch, I don't know.
Jeannine Everhart
small piece of projecting material) either in the tuner or on the nut. If
the string gets pulled tight, the burr will poke into the string and cause
it to break. Since the first string is the smallest, it will, of course,
break more easily if there is a burr affecting its tuning peg or its slot in
the nut.
So, you may wish to look (or feel) closely at your banjo to see if you have
a burr on the tunung peg or nut. If so, you should be able to remove it with
a file or sandpaper.
A few years ago there was a very similar discussion on the guitar newsgroup.
Good luck,
j9
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Hi folks:
The spanish novice attacks again!!! 暍|:o)))))) When I use an electronic
Philip C. Rogers, Jr
Not like I did the same thing, my first time out, :) but you can get
it too tight by going to a higher pitch on the string.
Ken Blake
> Sounds like maybe he was trying to get too much tension
> Not like I did the same thing, my first time out, :) but you
> can get it too tight by going to a higher pitch on the string.
He said he was using an electronic tuner, so that shouldn't be an
issue.
--
Ken Blake
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Fernando Reyes (kely)
"Jeannine Everhart" <j...@tanbarkacres.com> escribió en el mensaje news:nINS8.418275$Gs.31...@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...
> So, you may wish to look (or feel) closely at your banjo to see if you have
> a burr on the tunung peg or nut. If so, you should be able to remove it with
> a file or sandpaper.
>
Paulsv
>issue.
>
Unless he was trying to tune it an ocatave too high?
Paul Vander Woude
Chicago, IL
Born to Tinker
Forced to Work
Rex Hunt
Just to double check, they were 5 string banjo strings I hope. Back when
the tenor was king, the strings just said "Banjo 1st" and it was assumed it
was for tenor.
Rex
Fernando Reyes (kely)
"Paulsv" <pau...@aol.comnojunk> escribió en el mensaje news:20020628091936...@mb-fo.aol.com...
> Unless he was trying to tune it an ocatave too high?
> Paul Vander Woude
> Chicago, IL
I'm a novice in banjo but not in music, Paulsv. I play spanish guitar since 25 years ago. ·{|:o)))) I try it in the correct octave.
Fernando Reyes (kely)
"Rex Hunt" <hu...@indiana.edu> escribió en el mensaje news:afhpqa$aqc$1...@wilson.uits.indiana.edu...
> Just to double check, they were 5 string banjo strings I hope. Back when
> the tenor was king, the strings just said "Banjo 1st" and it was assumed it
> was for tenor.
>
> Rex
>
>
I think you got it. How can I know if my banjo is tenor?
Ken Blake
news:20020628091936...@mb-fo.aol.com...
> >He said he was using an electronic tuner, so that shouldn't be
an
> >issue.
> >
>
> Unless he was trying to tune it an ocatave too high?
I would assume that that would result in *every* string breaking,
not just the first.
Ken Blake
"Rex Hunt" <hu...@indiana.edu> escribió en el mensaje
news:afhpqa$aqc$1...@wilson.uits.indiana.edu...
> Just to double check, they were 5 string banjo strings I hope.
Back when
> the tenor was king, the strings just said "Banjo 1st" and it
was assumed it
> was for tenor.
>
> Rex
>
>
> I think you got it. How can I know if my banjo is tenor?
No, you said it's a five-string. The five-string and the tenor
are two different instruments.
Fernando Reyes (kely)
"Ken Blake" <kbl...@this.is.an.invalid.domain.com> escribió en el mensaje news:uhp3el8...@corp.supernews.com...
> No, you said it's a five-string. The five-string and the tenor
> are two different instruments.
>
> --
> Ken Blake
> Please reply to the newsgroup
>
Don L. Hergert
Sorry for all the dumb questions, but we're just trying to figure out what is going on there...
How many frets does your banjo have? Could it be a long-neck "folk style" 5-string? These long neck
banjos typically have 25 frets and a 32" scale instead of 22 frets and a 26 1/4" scale for most
standard 5-string banjos. While some strings on these long neck banjos will stretch to normal G
tuning (Ernie Ball light guage, perhaps other brands, too), this can break normal strings as you have
described, so the long-neck 5-string banjo is usually tuned to an open E (e, B, E, A-flat,
b)chord instead of an open G (g, D, G, B, d) chord.
The only other thing I could think of is perhaps you aren't winding the string around the tuner's
string post enough... If you don't have at least a full turn of string wrapped around the tuner's
string post, often the string will fatigue where it comes out of the string post hole, which can put
a crimp in the string and cause it to break at the hole. I'm guessing this isn't your problem,
though, since you've undoubtedly run into this with your guitar work in the past.
But just thought I'd better ask...
BTW, light guage strings tend to stretch better than heavier guage strings. Also, if your new
strings have been on the shelf for a long time, they may be weakened by corrosion.
Best,
-- Don
=================================
Paulsv
>I would assume that that would result in *every* string breaking,
>not just the first.
Good point! Never mind.....
Paul Vander Woude
Chicago, IL
Born to Tinker
Forced to Work
Fernando Reyes (kely)
"Don L. Hergert" <res0...@gte.net> escribió en el mensaje news:3D1C8B75...@gte.net...
> Hi Fernando,
>
> Sorry for all the dumb questions, but we're just trying to figure out what is going on there...
>
> How many frets does your banjo have? Could it be a long-neck "folk style" 5-string? These long neck
> banjos typically have 25 frets and a 32" scale instead of 22 frets and a 26 1/4" scale for most
> standard 5-string banjos. While some strings on these long neck banjos will stretch to normal G
> tuning (Ernie Ball light guage, perhaps other brands, too), this can break normal strings as you have
> described, so the long-neck 5-string banjo is usually tuned to an open E (e, B, E, A-flat,
> b)chord instead of an open G (g, D, G, B, d) chord.
It haves 22 frets
> The only other thing I could think of is perhaps you aren't winding the string around the tuner's
> string post enough... If you don't have at least a full turn of string wrapped around the tuner's
> string post, often the string will fatigue where it comes out of the string post hole, which can put
> a crimp in the string and cause it to break at the hole. I'm guessing this isn't your problem,
> though, since you've undoubtedly run into this with your guitar work in the past.
>
> But just thought I'd better ask...
As you say I run into this with my guitar in the past
> BTW, light guage strings tend to stretch better than heavier guage strings. Also, if your new
> strings have been on the shelf for a long time, they may be weakened by corrosion.
Perhaps this is the problem. Banjo isn't the most popular instrument in Spain, you know? Probably the string were in the shop from a long time ago. My "maestro" of flamenco always said me that the strings must be "frescas"(fresh), the sound is better. Do you know an online store to buy it; probably the string will be more "frescas". Can you suggest me some brands?
Thank you very much for all, Don
Don L. Hergert
I usually buy my strings locally, so I'm not a great source for names of stores that are online. I know there are some, though, as folks here at alt.banjo have discussed them. We'll have to rely on others here for the best recommendations...
As far as strings themselves are concerned, I usually stick with Ernie Ball because I've been satisfied with them for years, but there are other good brands out there, too... Again, the rest of the group here will probably have some good recommendation...
So... How about it, folks, who do you recommend Fernando work with for international online (or telephone order) string purchases, and what kind of strings have you had the best experience with???
That should get the ball rolling.....
Fernando, it is pretty exciting that you are getting into banjo. It is easy to understand that it might be difficult, considering that banjo is probably not the most common instrument there in Spain... As you have seen, alt.banjo is probably the best way for you to get and share information, pleasantly, breaking just about all international barriers.
Enjoy!!
Best,
-- Don
David W.
enjoyed my D'Addarios. But then again - for guitar I've always played
with Ernie Ball strings... I think that most all the manufacters make
good strings in general, and it's the subtle differences that make it
more a matter of personal preference.
I also like to purchase strings locally (I find enjoyment in it - for
whatever reason) but I'm sure the folks at First Quality
http://www.fqms.com) could ship strings internationally at a fair
price. Their domestic shipping prices are great - only 8 bucks to ship
my travel banjo, and I think it was 18 for my big rig.)
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:52:23 GMT, "Don L. Hergert" <res0...@gte.net>
wrote:
OLDRETIREDCHIEF
Just stand ten feet away from a garbage can and toss your five string into it
untill you can do it without hitting the sides of the garbage can. Then leave
it there!
Ragtime Banjo 4
Fernando Reyes (kely)
"OLDRETIREDCHIEF" <oldreti...@aol.com> escribió en el mensaje news:20020628165043...@mb-cd.aol.com...
Ok, It is the perfect method. You'll give me another banjo after I'll do it, you'll don't? Of course a pretty 5 string, not an useless 4 string.....
robb
>Perhaps this is the problem. Banjo isn't the most popular instrument
in >Spain, you know? Probably the string were in the shop from a long
time >ago. My "maestro" of flamenco always said me that the strings must
be >"frescas"(fresh), the sound is better. Do you know an online store
to >buy it; probably the string will be more "frescas". Can you suggest
me >some brands?
>Thank you very much for all, Don
>Best regards
>Fernando Reyes
>fire-me...@fire-me.teleline.es
You mean Fresca (TM) soda comes from 'fresh' in Spanish? Doh.
Well, I was 25 before I realized 'Pub' was the shortened form of 'Public
House'; I am sheepish but not surprised.
Learning 5-string after flamenco guitar should be interesting. I expect
you are using metal finger picks and a plastic thumb pick - as you
mentioned enjoying bluegrass? I'd recommend spending time
experimenting with the finger picks, adjusting the curve, amount of tip
projection, and the angle at which the blade strikes the strings.
Find a photo of Earl Scruggs' right hand and start there.
I have found that having no banjo for over a year (and losing the picks
I had perfected), it took me quite a while to remember what worked
for me pick-wise. I think I've read that the late John Hartford said he
used to be addicted to his favourite picks but with
effort was able to become more flexible, pickwise? Not me.
I also like to polish them each time before playing. Put them on, bend
to the carpet and rub vigorously, just hard/long enough to get them warm
but careful not to burn your fingers - which happens surprisingly
quickly and can really hurt! But clean tone requires clean picks. I
prefer the curved Dunlop 0.025 with very little projection and curved
snugly to my finger: pushing the strings sideways like Earl suggests.
Your Mileage May Vary (YMMV)
robb
Ken Blake
news:3D1CEF4D...@telus.net...
> Fernando Reyes (kely) wrote:
>
> >Perhaps this is the problem. Banjo isn't the most popular
instrument
> in >Spain, you know? Probably the string were in the shop from
a long
> time >ago. My "maestro" of flamenco always said me that the
strings must
> be >"frescas"(fresh), the sound is better. Do you know an
online store
> to >buy it; probably the string will be more "frescas". Can you
suggest
> me >some brands?
> >Thank you very much for all, Don
>
> >Best regards
> >Fernando Reyes
> >fire-me...@fire-me.teleline.es
>
>
>
> You mean Fresca (TM) soda comes from 'fresh' in Spanish? Doh.
Or from the Italian. It's the same word there.
Steve Collins
When you say first string, do you understand how banjo strings are
differently numbered? Do you really mean the fifth (highest tuned) string?
Is the peg geared - I seem to remember breaking many fifth strings on my
'learner'.
Sorry if this is insulting to someone who is already an accomplished
musician. It's difficult to learn from books alone - I also remember when I
started with the Wernick 'Bluegrass Banjo' book: I wore the picks as 'claws'
for a while because it isn't clearly shown in any of the photos. It seems
stupid now, but outside the US it is rare to see anyone playing this style
and you have to learn in isolation.
Just a suggestion,
Good Luck,
Steve
Fernando Reyes (kely) <te.quedas.s...@spamero.asqueroso.com> wrote
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Hi folks:
The spanish novice attacks again!!! 暍|:o)))))) When I use an electronic
Paula Franke
"Ken Blake" <kbl...@this.is.an.invalid.domain.com> wrote in message
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> "Paulsv" <pau...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
> news:20020628091936...@mb-fo.aol.com...
>
> > >He said he was using an electronic tuner, so that shouldn't be
> an
> > >issue.
> > >
> >
> > Unless he was trying to tune it an ocatave too high?
>
>
> I would assume that that would result in *every* string breaking,
> not just the first.
Heeheeheeeheee!!
Actually, this happened two weeks ago when SO "helped" me my re-stringing my
banjo.
The first string broke.
I immediately took the banjo back into my possession.
I have no idea how he broke the string, but managed to salvage everything.
The first string ("D") and the fifth string ("G") happened to be the exact
same string out of the package. So I just swapped them out.
As for Ken's observation, all I can say is that I'm seriously concerned
about anyone who breaks the rest of the strings after the first one breaks.
How does one tune to an adjacent broken string? By memory humming???
(Just being silly....!!!!)
Paula
the Happy Holler Witch
Fernando Reyes (kely)
"robb" <gran...@telus.net> escribió en el mensaje news:3D1CEF4D...@telus.net...
> Learning 5-string after flamenco guitar should be interesting. I expect
> you are using metal finger picks and a plastic thumb pick - as you
> mentioned enjoying bluegrass?
I use metal pick both, finger and thumb. Why the plastic thumb pick?
> I'd recommend spending time
> experimenting with the finger picks, adjusting the curve, amount of tip
> projection, and the angle at which the blade strikes the strings.
> Find a photo of Earl Scruggs' right hand and start there.
I'll do it; thanks for the recommendation.
> I have found that having no banjo for over a year (and losing the picks
> I had perfected), it took me quite a while to remember what worked
> for me pick-wise. I think I've read that the late John Hartford said he
> used to be addicted to his favourite picks but with
> effort was able to become more flexible, pickwise? Not me.
>
> I also like to polish them each time before playing. Put them on, bend
> to the carpet and rub vigorously, just hard/long enough to get them warm
> but careful not to burn your fingers - which happens surprisingly
> quickly and can really hurt! But clean tone requires clean picks. I
> prefer the curved Dunlop 0.025 with very little projection and curved
> snugly to my finger: pushing the strings sideways like Earl suggests.
> Your Mileage May Vary (YMMV)
I'll do it. Thank you very much for all, robb.
> robb
>
Fernando Reyes (kely)
"Steve Collins" <st...@behemoth.fsnet.co.uk> escribió en el mensaje news:afissp$9ra$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Hello Reyes,
>
> When you say first string, do you understand how banjo strings are
> differently numbered? Do you really mean the fifth (highest tuned) string?
> Is the peg geared - I seem to remember breaking many fifth strings on my
> 'learner'.
·{|:o))))))) When I say first i mean first, not fifth ·{|:o))))))
> Sorry if this is insulting to someone who is already an accomplished
> musician. It's difficult to learn from books alone - I also remember when I
> started with the Wernick 'Bluegrass Banjo' book: I wore the picks as 'claws'
> for a while because it isn't clearly shown in any of the photos. It seems
> stupid now, but outside the US it is rare to see anyone playing this style
> and you have to learn in isolation.
Don't be worried, it's very difficult to insulte me ·{|:o)))))))))
> Just a suggestion,
Thank for your suggestion.
Fernando Reyes (kely)
"robb" <gran...@telus.net> escribió en el mensaje news:3D1CEF4D...@telus.net...
>
> You mean Fresca (TM) soda comes from 'fresh' in Spanish? Doh.
> Well, I was 25 before I realized 'Pub' was the shortened form of 'Public
> House'; I am sheepish but not surprised.
I think was not the best traduction. "Fresco" mean, in this case, recently. When the fish is recently fished we say that is "fresco", a fish with a long history in the fish shop is a not "fresco" fish; so the string that are "frescas" are strings with a short live in the shop.
robb grant
>>
>
> I use metal pick both, finger and thumb. Why the plastic thumb pick?
>
Though I've only tried a few, I have never been able to get the a sound
I like with a metal pick. The plastic thumb pick sounds a little
different than the metal finger picks, allowing a melody note played
with the thumb to stand out not only in volume but with a different
tone: makes the vocal melody sing to me. "Play the words" as the great
man once said...
robb
Mike Stanger
Thanks for the interesting translation of fresco! I have heard the word
before, but never knew exactly what it meant...
Most of the 3-finger players in the U.S. and Canada use a plastic
thumbpick and 2 metal fingerpicks. The reasons for the plastic thumbpick
are varied- tradition, comfort, and tone are the most prominent reasons.
There are many sizes and shapes of plastic thumbpicks and metal
fingerpicks, and here, you will see all of them being used by someone,
but probably the most popular combination is a National brand plastic
thumbpick and 2 National or Dunlop brand fingerpicks... this is the "old
standard" for a lot of players.
If you would like some other brand names, I'll be happy to post them to
you.
regards,
Stanger
OLDRETIREDCHIEF
Where in Montana are you now stanger, I played at a Jazz festival in Helena
last week
Mike Stanger
Regards,
Stanger
Fernando Reyes (kely)
"OLDRETIREDCHIEF" <oldreti...@aol.com> escribió en el mensaje news:20020630233752...@mb-cd.aol.com...
> >Stanger
>
> Where in Montana are you now stanger, I played at a Jazz festival in Helena
> last week
Hi OldRetiredChif:
At least I can tune my banjo; it's not necesary to toss it into a garbage can untill I can do it without hitting the sides of the garbage can and leave it there. The problem has resolved re-tensioned the head. I'm a novice and never retensioned the head before, it was like the shop shold me. I re-tensioned on my own. Can you say me how is the perfect form to re-tension a 5 string banjo? wihtout use a garbage can, please. ·{|:o))))))))
OLDRETIREDCHIEF
>
>At least I can tune my banjo; it's not necesary to toss it into a =
>garbage can untill I can do it without hitting the sides of the garbage =
>can and leave it there. The problem has resolved re-tensioned the head.
On that old five string, dont use more than 250 foot pounds or you might break
your torque wrench!
4 string player retired navy
Fernando Reyes (kely)
"OLDRETIREDCHIEF" <oldreti...@aol.com> escribió en el mensaje news:20020707200531...@mb-ma.aol.com...
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
What is the equivalence in PSI or best in Kg/m2? Can I use a manometer?
Tyler Gingrich
wrote in news:agcfs5$hpe$1...@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net:
> What is the equivalence in PSI or best in Kg/m2? Can I use a manometer?
>
Fernando,
foot-pounds is a measure of torque not pressure. I don't know what the
european equivalent would be - Newton-Meters I suppose.
Anyway what they're talking about is how tight you make the little nuts on
the tension-hoop hooks. 8-10 ft-lbs or so is usually where I set my
banjos.
http://www.janetdavismusic.com/drmtrq.html
This device is what most folks use...
Tyler Gingrich
Sandy, Utah
Erik Newman
> What is the equivalence in PSI or best in Kg/m2? Can I use a
> manometer?
>
When people quantify head tension, they usually refer to how tight the
bolts that tighten the head are in units of torque (ft-lb or N-m), not
the actual tension in the head itself (psi, kPa, or kg/cm^2).
Ken Blake
> "Fernando Reyes \(kely\)"
> <te.quedas.s...@spamero.asqueroso.com> wrote in
> news:agcfs5$hpe$1...@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net:
>
>> What is the equivalence in PSI or best in Kg/m2? Can I use a
>> manometer?
>>
>
> Fernando,
>
> foot-pounds is a measure of torque not pressure. I don't know
> what the european equivalent would be - Newton-Meters I
> suppose.
A foot-pound is basically a unit of work or energy, although the
term is also used for a unit of torque. From
http://www.slider.com/enc/19000/foot-pound.htm:
"foot-pound
abbr. ft-lb, unit of work or energy in the customary English
gravitational system; it is the work done or energy expended by a
force of 1 pound acting through a distance of 1 foot. It is equal
to 1.356 joules. The term foot-pound is also used to designate a
unit of torque that is sometimes called the pound-foot to
distinguish it from the energy unit. A force of 1 pound applied 1
foot from and perpendicular to the direction to an axis of
rotation produces a 1 foot-pound (or pound-foot) torque at the
axis."
Fernando Reyes (kely)
Perhaps I must buy a book like this:
http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?sku=HL.330367&cart=3235125323115099&searchtitle=Sheet%20Music&s=s1
Or perhaps you can suggest me another one or an Internet site that explain me how to setup correctly a banjo.
TIA
OLDRETIREDCHIEF
>Best regards
>Fernando Reyes
7.145x10-6
Brittles
wrote:
<< On that old five string, dont use more than 250 foot pounds or you = might
break your torque wrench! >>
<< Fernando Reyes
fire-me...@fire-me.teleline.es >>
replied:
<< What is the equivalence in PSI or best in Kg/m2? Can I use a manometer? >>
Other responses included:
Tyler Gingrich <A
HREF="mailto:tgin...@speakeasy.net">tgin...@speakeasy.net</A>
foot-pounds is a measure of torque not pressure. I don't know what the
european equivalent would be - Newton-Meters I suppose.
"Ken Blake" <A
HREF="mailto:kbl...@this.is.an.invalid.domain.com">kbl...@this.is.an.inval
id.domain.com</A>
A foot-pound is basically a unit of work or energy, although the term is also
used for a unit of torque.
Erik Newman <A
HREF="mailto:ejne...@students.uiuc.edu">ejne...@students.uiuc.edu</A>
When people quantify head tension, they usually refer to how tight thebolts
that tighten the head are in units of torque (ft-lb or N-m), not the actual
tension in the head itself (psi, kPa, or kg/cm^2).
Ummm... guys.... Wayyyyy too much engineering/math/science. NOT enough HUMOR!
The O.R.C. was trying to "trick" Fernando into destroying another of those
dreaded 5-strings ....
O brother....
Ed Britt
Please Remove *UNSPAM* from my address, to e-mail me.
Erik Newman
>
> Ummm... guys.... Wayyyyy too much engineering/math/science. NOT
> enough HUMOR!
>
>
> The O.R.C. was trying to "trick" Fernando into destroying another of
> those dreaded 5-strings ....
Darn. And I already spent part of the afternoon trying to figure out
how how you could measure the head tension with a manometer.
It actually would be pretty straightforward to make some type of
spring-based gauge to measure head tension directly. You would have to
know the exact thickness and stiffness of the calfskin/mylar along with
the head diameter to calibrate it though. Elastic theory applied to
banjos anyone?
Fernando Reyes (kely)
>
>
> The O.R.C. was trying to "trick" Fernando into destroying another of those
> dreaded 5-strings ....
>
>
> O brother....
> Ed Britt
> Please Remove *UNSPAM* from my address, to e-mail me.
So, 250 foot pound isn't a good value? ·{|;o))))))))))
A O Trey
looking at it and listening to it.
Mike
Bill Hays
kilogram-centimeters, not pounds-feet. Most of us who use the drum-torque
usually tighten the head nuts to between 8-10 kg-cm (not 8-10 pounds-feet
-- you'd crank the tension hooks right off at that rate). Bill Palmer has
a good description of how to use the Neary drum-torque at his website.
B.
In article <Xns92456FF44FFD0tg...@216.168.3.40>, Tyler
Don Hergert
Whoa! Keep in mind that all of this torque and pressure measuring largely
depends on what kind of head you have on your banjo... All this talk about
torque is meaningful only for the kind of head that the pressure is applied
against. We're talking skin heads vs plastic, Mylar vs FiberSkin, Remo
WeatherKing vs 5-Star and etc. There are lots of different types and brands
of heads, and most of them have dissimilar pressure tolerances.
Also, many many folks do not use torque wrenches at all. Instead many folks
judge the head tension by how far it can be pushed down next to the bridge
or at the rim... Others judge by the note that the head "plays", thus
tuning the head like one might tune a tympani drum.
But most importantly, if you apply the same measured amount of torque that
would be safe for example on a WeatherKing head against a skin head or a
FiberSkin head, you'll break it. Many of the very common, less expensive
no-brand-name plastic banjo heads cannot come anywhere near the tension that
a WeatherKing or 5-Star head can. Also, if you're working on some very old
banjos trying to put a tight Mylar head on it, you're likely to break some
hooks and/or strip some nuts before you reach optimum head pressure.
Best,
-- Don
OLDRETIREDCHIEF
W. Paul Mills
>> Ummm... guys.... Wayyyyy too much engineering/math/science. NOT enough HUMOR!
>>
>>
>> The O.R.C. was trying to "trick" Fernando into destroying another of those
>> dreaded 5-strings ....
>>
>>
>> O brother....
>> Ed Britt
>> Please Remove *UNSPAM* from my address, to e-mail me.
>
> So, 250 foot pound isn't a good value? ·{|;o))))))))))
The head would break LONG before you get to 250 ft-lbs. Some
people are just jealous, because they have only four (strings).
Paul
--
* For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, *
* that whoever believes in Him should not perish... John 3:16 *
OLDRETIREDCHIEF
>* that whoever believes in Him should not perish... John 3:16 *
>
IF GOD REALLY LOVED THE WORLD HE WOULD ISSUE A BANJO WITH EACH CHILD BORN, THEN
THERE WOULD BE PEACE ON EARTH!
PEANUTS!
Fernando Reyes (kely)
>
> Darn. And I already spent part of the afternoon trying to figure out
> how how you could measure the head tension with a manometer.
It's simply, Erik. You must put the banjo on the ground, toss the manometer to the head and when it crash the ceilling lamp the head is correctly tensioned ·{|:o))))
robb grant
(such as for measuring the deflection in beams, etc.)
Never used them myself.
robb
Alan Philpotts
OLDRETIREDCHIEF <oldreti...@aol.com> writes
>IF GOD REALLY LOVED THE WORLD HE WOULD ISSUE A BANJO WITH EACH CHILD BORN, THEN
>THERE WOULD BE PEACE ON EARTH!
>
>PEANUTS!
A truly wonderful idea. But there'd still be no peace, those kids would
all be arguing about the number of strings a banjo should have. ;)
--
Alan Philpotts
Fernando Reyes (kely)
"OLDRETIREDCHIEF" <oldreti...@aol.com> escribió en el mensaje news:20020709102811...@mb-ma.aol.com...
Only if all banjos will be 5 string; only one 4 strings and the harmony will be broken
Mike Stanger
Regards,
Stanger
Mike Stanger
Regards,
Stanger
di...@funf.com
<te.quedas.s...@spamero.asqueroso.com> wrote:
>Hi folks:
>
>The spanish novice attacks again!!! 暍|:o)))))) When I use an electronic tuner to tune my 5 string banjo the first string brokes, so I must tune using my ear and lower than the correct tone. What must I adjust to solve this problem? I use "Pyramid" strings, I don't know if are or not good strings, but they are the only ones that I can buy in Madrid(Spain, Europe).
>TIA
>
>Best regards
>Fernando Reyes
>fire-me...@fire-me.teleline.es
>
Fernando
It way sound and possibly be an innane question,.....Is the tuner set
to 440 at tuning? I had a friend destroy a bass G string the other
day trying to tune it to 486 and trying an octave of that......
Regards
Fernando Reyes (kely)
<di...@funf.com> escribió en el mensaje news:97rtju42tps12rk2t...@4ax.com...
> Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:05:25 +0200,
>
> to 440 at tuning? I had a friend destroy a bass G string the other
> day trying to tune it to 486 and trying an octave of that......
>
> Regards
Thank you very much for the advice. The problem is resolved. It was because the head was not enought tensioned.
Jazz...@banjorulz.com
chain-saw! ;>}